Speaker 1: For a show about a bunch of religious people. There's
Speaker 1: been very little Bible talk thus far. I have to
Speaker 1: admit I've never actually read the Bible, so there's a
Speaker 1: huge chunk of modern culture I'm missing. Anytime someone says
Speaker 1: a fly in the ointment, a drop in the bucket,
Speaker 1: a man after my own heart, setting your teeth on edge,
Speaker 1: bite the dust, apple of my eye, or at my
Speaker 1: wits end, they are knowingly or not quoting the Bible,
Speaker 1: and it makes language that much richer when you're hip
Speaker 1: to biblical references like this. One of these phrases is
Speaker 1: thirty pieces of silver. It comes from the story of
Speaker 1: Judas Is Scariot. So Jesus was, contrary to popular assumption,
Speaker 1: intensely political, so much so that by passover of his
Speaker 1: thirty third year, he was on borrowed time, and one
Speaker 1: of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, was seeking working with the
Speaker 1: high priests who had it out for Jesus. So shortly
Speaker 1: after the last supper, Judas went off and found a mob,
Speaker 1: brought them back to a garden where Jesus was praying,
Speaker 1: and told them the man I kiss is Jesus. He's
Speaker 1: the one you should seize Jesus was somehow hip to
Speaker 1: this and let it happen because it was all part
Speaker 1: of a prophecy. And for his betrayal, Judas was paid
Speaker 1: thirty pieces of silver. Betrayal, it turns out, is an
Speaker 1: inevitable byproduct of human passion.
Speaker 2: The ultimate cutting point is what happens when you discover an.
Speaker 1: Informer Catholic Left historian Charles Meconis.
Speaker 2: Because there will be informers sooner or later, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, the government gets to have a vote in
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: When humans get together, all believing passionately in something, there
Speaker 1: will always be conflict.
Speaker 2: And that's where the rubber hits the road.
Speaker 1: In a movement, there will always be betrayal. I'm Brendan
Speaker 1: Patrick Hughes, and this is Divine intervention, Chapter nine, the
Speaker 1: last two words. In Camden, New Jersey, twenty eight people
Speaker 1: had staged the last stand with a government that had
Speaker 1: learned how to crush dissent. Their raid was supposed to
Speaker 1: prove that the American people would always have a voice. Instead,
Speaker 1: the morning after the raid, after hours of interrogation in
Speaker 1: rooms that had been pre labeled with their names, the
Speaker 1: Camden twenty eight went off to jail.
Speaker 3: The women all went to a women's jail, and the
Speaker 3: men were all went to Atlanta County Jail.
Speaker 2: I think it was the very day after they ambushed
Speaker 2: the Camden twenty eight, Hoover puts out this big public announcement,
Speaker 2: we have broken the back of the Catholic left.
Speaker 1: The morning after the arrest, j Edgar Hoover and US
Speaker 1: Attorney General John Mitchell held a triumphant press conference in
Speaker 1: which they distributed pre assembled biographical information on each raider.
Speaker 1: Hoover said, I guess I want these people to go
Speaker 1: to jail for forty six years. Bob Knane he was
Speaker 1: going to take all his vengeance out on the Camden people.
Speaker 4: The FBI was convinced that in arresting the Camden twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight Bob Weed X Williamson, they.
Speaker 4: Had caught at least some of the media burglars.
Speaker 1: He had them in his clutches and he would see
Speaker 1: to it they were locked up for as many years
Speaker 1: as possible.
Speaker 5: So what was the Camden twenty eight? But all twenty
Speaker 5: eight of us were not even in Camden.
Speaker 1: Leanne Mosha was a driver on the night of the raid.
Speaker 5: Some people were arrested as co conspirators who were not
Speaker 5: even there that night, but they were charged with having
Speaker 5: been part of the planning or charged with part of
Speaker 5: the previous activities that led to the arrest.
Speaker 6: The newspaper is a constant horror story.
Speaker 1: Sarahtosi wrote to Patrick and Mary Anne.
Speaker 6: But things are stirring.
Speaker 1: The story was front page news in the New York
Speaker 1: Times and had features in Newsweek and Time Magazine. As
Speaker 1: the press rolled into Camden, Bob Hardy, the informer who
Speaker 1: betrayed them, all spent hours testifying before a grand jury.
Speaker 5: The informer was a complicated, complicated man. He went immediately
Speaker 5: to the FBI to tell us what we were doing,
Speaker 5: and they said, great, hang in there. He was the
Speaker 5: start witness for the prosecution.
Speaker 1: The following day, an indictment was handed down, charging twenty
Speaker 1: eight people with seven counts describing forty four over illegal acts.
Speaker 1: They faced over six hundred thousand dollars in bail and
Speaker 1: a maximum penalty of forty seven years in prison.
Speaker 7: Forty seven years and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: In fines, which in nineteen seventy one meant they would
Speaker 1: be released in the unfathomably science fiction year of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Hoover was now riding high on his law enforcement triumph
Speaker 1: and he had, shall we say, taken notice of those
Speaker 1: raising money on behalf of the Camden defendants.
Speaker 8: Patrick and I. We were getting a lot of bail money,
Speaker 8: Jim Carroll and Ann Walsh, everyone was getting as much
Speaker 8: bail money together as we can.
Speaker 1: Patrick and Mary Anne were spending all their time together
Speaker 1: and gathering bail for Camden was the perfect cover to
Speaker 1: travel together.
Speaker 8: And Patrick and I took one quick trip down to
Speaker 8: Camden to bring the money down. The whole way we
Speaker 8: were being followed by the FBI, and we knew it.
Speaker 8: I mean you could see them. We'd get out of
Speaker 8: the car, they'd get out of the car. It was
Speaker 8: so obvious. So after Camden there was a Jane Doe
Speaker 8: warrant for my rest. The description, as I understand it
Speaker 8: was Paul Kooming's best friend who has long dark hare
Speaker 8: and that would only be one person, which would be me.
Speaker 8: Everybody I lived with had been arrested. They were all
Speaker 8: on the front page of the Boston Globe.
Speaker 1: Because of her kids, Marianne had to be careful, but
Speaker 1: she was also harboring a scandalous secret.
Speaker 9: And Miriam was bringing the money to Camden, right Ann Walsh.
Speaker 9: Simultaneously she was falling in love with Patrick. I mean
Speaker 9: they were about to actually Actually, what I'm talking about
Speaker 9: is like so many levels of motivation and stuff like
Speaker 9: that going on, and basically it's a big love story.
Speaker 1: If they might stay in a motel for the night
Speaker 1: somewhere between Camden and Boston, they would emerge the next
Speaker 1: morning and wave at their FBI tails, who would grumpily
Speaker 1: hoist their coffee cups and climb into a car. For
Speaker 1: a while, these two FBI agents were the only people
Speaker 1: in the world who knew of about Patrick and Marianne.
Speaker 8: It is horrifying if you think about being investigated by
Speaker 8: the FII. You know, most reasonable people would say it's
Speaker 8: pretty frightening experience.
Speaker 1: Hoover had hired a thousand agents just to intimidate the
Speaker 1: Catholic left.
Speaker 8: Patrick was very nervous that they were going to go
Speaker 8: to his parents, who were you know, they were well
Speaker 8: into their seventies at that time.
Speaker 1: And don't forget, these agents had something on Marianne.
Speaker 8: The FBI had gone to my father, and they had
Speaker 8: gone to my brother, and they had gone with photos.
Speaker 1: Not only was she helping a bunch of criminals in
Speaker 1: South Jersey, she was also in and out of motel
Speaker 1: rooms with the Roman Catholic priests.
Speaker 8: I think they threatened my brother with a subpoena, for instance,
Speaker 8: like that if he didn't tell them everything he knew
Speaker 8: about what I was doing, they would subpoena him. It
Speaker 8: shook his world. It shook his world. That probably wasn't
Speaker 8: the best way in the world for him to have
Speaker 8: learned that news.
Speaker 1: Her father then cut her out of his life.
Speaker 8: My father disowned me.
Speaker 1: And he and her brother left her on her own
Speaker 1: with her scandalous romantic relationship, her criminal friends, and her children.
Speaker 1: There's a joke about Irish Alzheimer's that you forget everything
Speaker 1: but the grudges. But Marianne, fifty years hence, was the
Speaker 1: opposite of that and could now see this situation from
Speaker 1: their side.
Speaker 8: Now I really appreciate how awful that had to be
Speaker 8: for them and for us. It was almost like a
Speaker 8: badge of honor, because at that point there was such
Speaker 8: a commitment to ending the war, and this was if
Speaker 8: these were the consequences, These were the consequences, and it
Speaker 8: was what cleaved the generations. It was those times.
Speaker 1: So Patrick and Marianne wore their badge of honor and
Speaker 1: along with Jim Carroll and Walsh and many others, they
Speaker 1: pressed on bailing out the Camden twenty eight.
Speaker 3: We were all bailed out because people all across the
Speaker 3: country put up their houses.
Speaker 1: They got people to take out second mortgages on their homes.
Speaker 3: And risk their houses just to get us all out
Speaker 3: of jail.
Speaker 1: And miraculously they managed to scrounge up the staggering sum
Speaker 1: of money needed to get everybody out of jail in Camden.
Speaker 1: Everyone was eventually freed and they began their trial prep
Speaker 1: in earnest.
Speaker 7: We were caught red handed cookie, so nobody even thought
Speaker 7: about trying to comp with the defense that would somehow say,
Speaker 7: oh you just misidentification or something. No defense right, So
Speaker 7: there was we were there. I put my odds to
Speaker 7: success at zero. Because there had never been an acquittal
Speaker 7: before any of the Draft Board rate cases.
Speaker 4: People had been convicted and sent to prison.
Speaker 1: They were doomed from the start, but nevertheless they persisted.
Speaker 1: Soon the Camden twenty eight case was a signed a judge,
Speaker 1: Judge Clarkson Fisher. He was a Catholic World War two
Speaker 1: that appointed by Nixon to the federal bench. Some of
Speaker 1: the defendants thought his assignment was intentionally provocative. A trial
Speaker 1: date was set from Monday, February fifth, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 10: Mary Anne Patrick, the storm bruise on the horizon visible now,
Speaker 10: I mean the trial, yes, but so much more than
Speaker 10: just that word or reality, but every single level of
Speaker 10: my existence and beyond that.
Speaker 1: Lawyers had flocked to Camden in the hopes of representing
Speaker 1: the twenty eight defendants. They impressed on the twenty eight
Speaker 1: the deep shit they were in, the complex legal doctrines,
Speaker 1: and the byzantine government maneuvering that would need their expertise.
Speaker 1: But the defendants knew this was their only chance to
Speaker 1: talk about Vietnam as a context for their motivation, and
Speaker 1: because so many judges in previous trial had prevented such testimony,
Speaker 1: they realized their only shot at being able to speak
Speaker 1: freely was to represent themselves and go pro say so,
Speaker 1: they dismissed the hotshot lawyers.
Speaker 5: People made a decision to defend themselves without an attorney,
Speaker 5: so it was a bit of a mayhem scenario.
Speaker 1: At the end of the argument, twenty three went pro say,
Speaker 1: while five opted for co consul, they would represent themselves.
Speaker 1: They would go out with a bang, and they would
Speaker 1: attempt to put the Vietnam War itself on the stand.
Speaker 1: But two hours west on I seventy six in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: Hoover's pet grand jury project and massive indictment of the
Speaker 1: movement had finally evolved into a trial accusing seven Catholic
Speaker 1: Left movement people, including Phil Brigan, of conspiracy. Some of
Speaker 1: the defendants in the government's conspiracy case were furious at
Speaker 1: the Camden people. One Harrisburg defendant described the Camden action
Speaker 1: as an activist expression of American individualism and obsession with heroism.
Speaker 1: But the Harrisburg defendants had not chosen to use their
Speaker 1: trial as a continuation of an action, and had instead
Speaker 1: gone into damage control and hired famous lawyers. The trial
Speaker 1: of the Harrisburg seven lasted six weeks. The government's star
Speaker 1: witness was Boyd Douglas, Phil Berigan's fellow inmate and confidante.
Speaker 2: So finally the Gotholic Left figures out that Boyd Douglas
Speaker 2: was the trader in the Harrisburg stuff. The letters which
Speaker 2: Boyd Douglas had been carrying out, photocopying, and handing straight
Speaker 2: to the FBI. Those were just awful to listen to
Speaker 2: in the court room because almost all of us that
Speaker 2: was the first time we ever became aware of them
Speaker 2: or heard them.
Speaker 1: And it was these letters that had revealed not only
Speaker 1: Dan Berrigan's whereabouts on Block Island which led to his arrest,
Speaker 1: but also the Kissinger kidnapping plot, which was what allowed
Speaker 1: Hoover to put millions of dollars behind crushing the cap
Speaker 1: Flick left. When the prosecution rested, the Harrisburg Seven's lawyer
Speaker 1: stood up and, to the astonishment of everyone in the courtroom,
Speaker 1: gave a sixteen word defense, your honor. He said, these
Speaker 1: defendants shall always seek peace, and they proclaim their innocence
Speaker 1: of these charges. The defense rests. The jury deliberated for
Speaker 1: seven days. At the verdict, the defendants began emptying their pockets.
Speaker 2: Everybody, including the defendants themselves, are expecting that they're gone.
Speaker 2: And the vote comes intent to too for acquittal, and
Speaker 2: we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: The Harrisburg Seven were free, but it was a pyrrhic victory.
Speaker 1: The Catholic Left movement was all but destroyed, decimated, by
Speaker 1: legal fees and infighting, with the war winding down and
Speaker 1: only the Camden trial left, and one month after the
Speaker 1: Harrisburg verdict, Jay Hoover, sworn enemy of the American Left,
Speaker 1: died of a heart attack on May twi nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 11: I definitely believe that that defeat ted Glick in that
Speaker 11: trial had something to do with him dying so quickly
Speaker 11: after that verdict. I'm sure he was really apoplectic about
Speaker 11: the fact that everybody got off from that.
Speaker 1: On February fifth, nineteen seventy three, the trial of the
Speaker 1: Candon twenty eight finally began.
Speaker 3: Yes s Zach same building. That courtroom is on the
Speaker 3: third floor, their draft boards on the fifth floor.
Speaker 1: On that day, Colonel William Noldy, the last combat soldier
Speaker 1: to be killed in Vietnam, was buried at Arlington National
Speaker 1: Cemetery in Washington.
Speaker 12: D c.
Speaker 1: The twenty eight defendants assembled in a packed ceremonial courtroom
Speaker 1: and discovered the prosecutor had put a deal on the.
Speaker 7: Table the day at the trial when we were supposed
Speaker 7: to start the case. They presented us with another offer.
Speaker 1: Number one. He had severed eight defendants, including Keith Forsyth,
Speaker 1: Leanne Mosha and Sarah Tosi, and.
Speaker 5: It seemed that there was no rationale. There were people
Speaker 5: who were kept in the whole group who were way
Speaker 5: less involved than we were. There were people who were
Speaker 5: more involved who were severed unclear how they made the decision.
Speaker 6: Dear Mary Anne, this is it. This is no drill.
Speaker 10: The government offered us a deal today like being in Woolworths.
Speaker 10: For the next half hour, you can get an ice
Speaker 10: cream Sunday for fifty three cents, short interruption in the music,
Speaker 10: and then on a package deal for the twenty eight
Speaker 10: oh leo that tastes as good as the seventy nine
Speaker 10: cent spread. I couldnot possibly scream loud enough.
Speaker 1: Number two a chance for many of them to walk
Speaker 1: away with a slap on the wrist and for the
Speaker 1: big fish to do relatively little prison time.
Speaker 7: We got an offer deal.
Speaker 10: Drop fifteen defendants, thirteen plead guilty to one charge, any
Speaker 10: charge our choice, you see, all must accept or no deal.
Speaker 7: That meant some people would walk, including like people with kids.
Speaker 7: And I mean, it was really a big deal, and
Speaker 7: we had to talk about it. So they gave us
Speaker 7: the courtroom and we had this big Powow all of
Speaker 7: us together and discussed whether we should go through with it.
Speaker 1: They met for nearly two hours, and there were strong
Speaker 1: arguments for taking the Plea deal.
Speaker 7: And it was really amazing conversations. And I mean some people,
Speaker 7: for God's sakes, their lives were everything was in jeopardy.
Speaker 7: Think of yourself now, right, You have kids, you have
Speaker 7: a partner, you have a job. But it didn't take
Speaker 7: long for us all the rehash of conversations we had
Speaker 7: as we were planning this action, which was why are
Speaker 7: we doing this, what do we want to accomplish, We've
Speaker 7: come this far, what should we do?
Speaker 1: Led by the raiders that faced certain jail time, there
Speaker 1: was suddenly a groundswell in their ranks to reject the
Speaker 1: government deal entirely.
Speaker 7: Basically, I was saying, you know, I'm willing to go
Speaker 7: to prison.
Speaker 1: The judge had allowed them to go pro say and
Speaker 1: defend themselves. This was the movement's first opportunity to really
Speaker 1: put the Vietnam War on trial, and.
Speaker 7: We had decided that the trial was as much a
Speaker 7: part of the action as the action itself, because it
Speaker 7: was going to be our opportunity to speak publicly about
Speaker 7: why we did it.
Speaker 1: They argued that they were all serious activists who'd already
Speaker 1: invested a year and a half of their lives and
Speaker 1: careers in facing up to the government, and this was
Speaker 1: their moment did risk the maximum jail penalty and take
Speaker 1: the case to trial.
Speaker 7: And then when we decided we were all in agreement
Speaker 7: that we would go to trial, we would reject their offer.
Speaker 7: Even those who could have walked away from it were
Speaker 7: so empowering. We all all tand in a circle and
Speaker 7: we knocked on the door to call the US marshall
Speaker 7: in to say, tell them we're ready for trial.
Speaker 12: Do you know the prosecutor was right?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: I would love to ask you about that.
Speaker 7: It was Donald Trump's brother in law.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That is boker.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you. The story could write itself.
Speaker 1: That prosecutor John Berry was a formidable opponent and after
Speaker 1: they rejected his deal, he was hell bent for leather.
Speaker 5: So it was a three and a half month trial.
Speaker 7: We would have our trial during the day, and then
Speaker 7: after the trial we would all go and meet for
Speaker 7: a couple hours every friggin every day. I thought to myself,
Speaker 7: I never want to go to another meeting for the
Speaker 7: rest of my life after that.
Speaker 5: So, while twenty one people went to court every day
Speaker 5: for three months, Sarah and I were publishing a newsletter
Speaker 5: updates on what was happening in the trial.
Speaker 7: We paid for copies of transcripts and we reviewed those
Speaker 7: and talked about stuff, and we talked strategy every night.
Speaker 7: You know, what are we doing tomorrow? Who are we calling,
Speaker 7: what are they going to do? How are we going
Speaker 7: to do it?
Speaker 1: The opening statements took two days because there were twenty
Speaker 1: of them. Cookie wrote her as with kipt here. We
Speaker 1: are all here, she said, because a war was waged
Speaker 1: in Indo, China, not because a crime was committed in Camden.
Speaker 1: If we are guilty of anything, then it is our
Speaker 1: eagerness to take seriously the value of human life and
Speaker 1: to ponder in earnest what the destruction of thousands of
Speaker 1: lives must mean. Prosecutor Barry called a string of eleven
Speaker 1: witnesses over eighteen court days, nine of whom were FBI agents,
Speaker 1: and the defendants noticed a peculiar thing. When the FBI
Speaker 1: agents started taking the stand, they were all insisting that
Speaker 1: on the night of the arrest they had not drawn
Speaker 1: their guns.
Speaker 13: The FBI apparently made some kind of statement that their
Speaker 13: weapons were holstered when they arrested the Camden twenty eight.
Speaker 3: That is a complete lot.
Speaker 7: We were constantly raising it, isn't it true you had
Speaker 7: a gun? Though I was cross examining this agent, He's like, no,
Speaker 7: we didn't have guns, and I said, you're telling me
Speaker 7: you didn't. I'm argument, I get an objection, and the
Speaker 7: judge is saying, you know, what's the basis of your objection?
Speaker 7: Talking to the prosecute, the US attorney, And my argument was, Judge,
Speaker 7: I know he had a gun. I was there, I
Speaker 7: saw him.
Speaker 13: So I have not forgotten that, and nor have I
Speaker 13: forgiven that the idea that they came in with other
Speaker 13: guns and their holsters is bullshit.
Speaker 3: They did not want the image that they had pulled
Speaker 3: guns out on us, and they denied one after another.
Speaker 3: Their whole testimony became questionable because it seemed so crazy
Speaker 3: to think that they wouldn't pull out guns while they're
Speaker 3: arresting people.
Speaker 1: The agents were in lockstep on their strategy. Prosecutor Barry
Speaker 1: had an astounding level of details to put into evidence.
Speaker 1: As the prosecution's case was made, John Barry continually tried
Speaker 1: to introduce the defendants prior bad acts, earlier raids they
Speaker 1: might have pulled as a way to paint their guilt
Speaker 1: to the jury, with or without help from Bob Hardy
Speaker 1: in the FBI. But the defendant continually raised objections whenever
Speaker 1: he did this, sometimes all leaping to their feet at once.
Speaker 1: One hilarious irony throughout the proceeding was that the FBI
Speaker 1: had supported this raid, hoping they could catch whoever did media.
Speaker 1: But the Camden twenty eight were able to use the
Speaker 1: media documents as a basis for their cross examination.
Speaker 4: My favorite thing was cross examining FBI agents after they'd
Speaker 4: given their testimony and reading them from the files that
Speaker 4: we'd stolen in the media burglary, and ask them what
Speaker 4: they thought.
Speaker 1: And that's the best part of all. Unbeknownst to everyone
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, including his own co defendants, wed X
Speaker 1: was one of the media burglars, and brazenly he put
Speaker 1: himself forward as the foremost expert in the group on
Speaker 1: those particular documents. He argued that if the government wanted
Speaker 1: to introduce their prior bad acts, why couldn't he introduce
Speaker 1: the governments with the media papers. The judge denied his motion.
Speaker 1: During one of Cookie Ridolfi's crosses, she and a co
Speaker 1: consul came up with a way to illustrate just how
Speaker 1: much the FBI, through Bob Hardy, had in fact donated
Speaker 1: to the cause of this race.
Speaker 7: FBI provided a lot of supplies, you know, tools and
Speaker 7: money and this and that.
Speaker 1: So she used those tools as illustrations in open core.
Speaker 7: Let's pick up everything that he provided and should give
Speaker 7: them to the FBI agents one at a time and
Speaker 7: say where dis come from? Where disc come from?
Speaker 1: On the floor in front of the jury, she made
Speaker 1: one pile of evidence exhibits the FBI had paid for
Speaker 1: through Bob Hardy. It had ropes, wrenches, hammers, pliers, probars, tape,
Speaker 1: glass cutters, walkie talkies, binoculars, and the pile became very large.
Speaker 1: And then she made another pile of tools that the
Speaker 1: Cannon twenty eight had provided, and it consisted of some
Speaker 1: drill bits and a can of VH juice. Cookie pointed
Speaker 1: out how similarly the defendants and the FBI had operated
Speaker 1: leading up to the raid. And then she turned the
Speaker 1: tables on the FBI agent on the stand. Would it
Speaker 1: be fair to say? She asked that the FBI, for
Speaker 1: different reasons, was interested in seeing those draft files destroyed.
Speaker 6: The government rested its case on Friday.
Speaker 10: Now it's all getting close, verdict consequences. It clutches in
Speaker 10: my guts sometimes working hard overworking. But okay, as you know,
Speaker 10: loving empowers us to do things that seems so damn impossible.
Speaker 1: But what about Bob Hardy. Ever since the arrest and
Speaker 1: his grand jury testimony a year and a half prior,
Speaker 1: Bob Hardy had been going through hell. News that he
Speaker 1: had snitched to the FBI lost him friends and clients,
Speaker 1: and got his tires slashed. People called him names on
Speaker 1: the street, and.
Speaker 12: We didn't know to later that he was actually being
Speaker 12: paid for information.
Speaker 1: He received a letter from j Edgar Hoover saying, dear
Speaker 1: mister Hardy, I want to thank you for what you've done.
Speaker 1: You've done in ten weeks what it would have taken
Speaker 1: two hundred agents a year to accomplish. Our country is
Speaker 1: very grateful. And the envelope included fifty one hundred dollars bills.
Speaker 1: This was Bob Hardy's thirty pieces of silver. But then
Speaker 1: a month after the arrest, there was a knock at
Speaker 1: the door.
Speaker 12: He was on his way out. He was taking his
Speaker 12: kids out to go get some shoes.
Speaker 1: The Hoover money had loosened things up a bit for
Speaker 1: his family, and.
Speaker 12: When he got to the front door, somebody was there,
Speaker 12: was a reporter from the Inquirer, and he said, okay,
Speaker 12: come on in, and he told the kids to go play.
Speaker 12: He would be with them. Shortly, his nine year.
Speaker 1: Old son, Billy, began climbing a tree and when a
Speaker 1: neighbor yelled at him, in his haste to get down,
Speaker 1: he slipped.
Speaker 12: His son fell out of the tree, was a pale
Speaker 12: on the fence.
Speaker 1: Three spikes went into his son's stomach and he had
Speaker 1: to be rushed to the hospital. Father Mike Doyle went
Speaker 1: immediately to be with.
Speaker 12: Him, and Michael Doyle went to the hospital to pray
Speaker 12: with the child. I mean, Michael just has so much goodness.
Speaker 12: You know that he would not let that stop him
Speaker 12: from supporting party's family.
Speaker 2: And knowing that he had been the informer, all the people,
Speaker 2: all the Canon twenty eight People's supporters, everybody else showed
Speaker 2: up in support of Bob Hardy Stanley. I mean that time.
Speaker 1: Billy Hardy held on for three weeks before succumbing to
Speaker 1: his injuries.
Speaker 8: So he lost I think he was nine.
Speaker 1: His little boy, Mary Anne.
Speaker 8: And of course everyone from the community went to the
Speaker 8: funeral and went to the wake and were heartbroken for
Speaker 8: him about having lost his child, and he was so
Speaker 8: overcome with grief and so overcome. The people obviously completely
Speaker 8: forgave him for whatever he did and came and had
Speaker 8: enormous sympathy and real condolence for him.
Speaker 1: Despite their differences. Bob Hardy asked Father Mike Doyle to
Speaker 1: officiate his son's funeral mass.
Speaker 5: Many members of the kim in twenty eight who were
Speaker 5: in town at the time went to the funeral offered
Speaker 5: support and sympathy to Bob and his wife, which I
Speaker 5: think he was aghast at, because I mean, he just
Speaker 5: sold everybody down the river.
Speaker 12: When that happened. We went and we went in to
Speaker 12: the church and was so bizarre. There was like, you know,
Speaker 12: a wedding and have the grooves side and the brideside.
Speaker 12: Well there was the FBI Asian side and our side,
Speaker 12: and it was quite a scene.
Speaker 8: But he apparently began to think it was a punishment
Speaker 8: for what he had done.
Speaker 1: There is new scholarship about the story of Judas Iscariot.
Speaker 1: A Gospel of Judas was discovered in e in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. New translations suggests the word betrayer may have
Speaker 1: been a bridge too far, and in fact Judas may
Speaker 1: simply have been attempting to hand over Jesus to the
Speaker 1: High Priest so that they could broke or some sort
Speaker 1: of peace. But after Jesus's capture, Judas quickly became aware
Speaker 1: of the High Priest's intentions and tried to return the silver.
Speaker 1: This messy version feels more human, and Judas was, above
Speaker 1: all a human being. Bob Hardy, you may remember, was
Speaker 1: upset after they did the dry run because he had
Speaker 1: carefully arranged for his Camden friends like father Mike Doyle,
Speaker 1: not to be part of the dry run so they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be there when the FBI swooped in to arrest everybody.
Speaker 1: He maintained he wanted to protect his local friends from
Speaker 1: the out of town interlopers and that the FBI had
Speaker 1: agreed to let his people walk. But on the night
Speaker 1: of the arrest, the FBI agent stood down for two
Speaker 1: hours while all the raiders, including the local candidates, racked
Speaker 1: up more and more charges. Bob Hardy, who believed in
Speaker 1: what he had done in the name of justice, now
Speaker 1: saw that perhaps he picked the wrong side and began
Speaker 1: to waver.
Speaker 5: And so then I think the government didn't know what
Speaker 5: the hell to do with him, because he was flopping.
Speaker 5: You know, who am my friend? Where do my sympathies lie?
Speaker 1: Hardy met with his FBI handler and told him of
Speaker 1: his discontent. The agent told him to keep it to
Speaker 1: himself or he might end up hit by a truck
Speaker 1: one day.
Speaker 2: And that's the point at which she said, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing this. I can't inform on these people.
Speaker 8: And he then turned on the FBI.
Speaker 1: And then the betrayer betrayed those who had betrayed him.
Speaker 1: He told Father Mike Doyle he wanted to write down
Speaker 1: what he knew in order to protect himself and his family.
Speaker 1: And a key piece of the puzzle now became clear
Speaker 1: to the defendants. Without Hardy, without the FBI, this raid
Speaker 1: never would have happened.
Speaker 2: They were not going to do this. They had decided
Speaker 2: to quit. I was a provocateur in effect.
Speaker 1: The Canden Crew, you'll remember, had all but given up
Speaker 1: when Hardy first entered the action and cajoled them to
Speaker 1: keep going. So during the trial. After the prosecution rested
Speaker 1: their case, the first outside witness called by the defense
Speaker 1: was Bob Hardy.
Speaker 8: So he in the trial testified on behalf of the defendants.
Speaker 10: Mary Anne Patrick. Bob Hardy walked down the street today,
Speaker 10: What a dizzy, spiraling crunch, the stench of gas, eerie
Speaker 10: street's triumph of tattered files, shot buckles, chains bars. He
Speaker 10: takes the stand Tuesday, Robert W. Hardy informer.
Speaker 1: It was the first time in the history of the
Speaker 1: United States that a government informer had been called as
Speaker 1: a witness by the defense rather than the prosecution.
Speaker 2: You just said, these were the most wonderful people I've
Speaker 2: ever known, courageous and gentle and non violent and committed.
Speaker 2: He said, Well, when it came to knowing how to
Speaker 2: do a burglary, they were really, really hopeless. There you
Speaker 2: have it, kind of an epitaph of the Catholic Left. Wonderful, beautiful, moral,
Speaker 2: serious people, but really third rate burglars.
Speaker 1: He testified that when he had offered Keith Forsyth the
Speaker 1: gun in his van, it was because the FBI wanted
Speaker 1: to find out if they were violent. He testified to
Speaker 1: how encouraging the FBI was in his involvement, and how
Speaker 1: they reimbursed him and paid him for his trouble.
Speaker 10: Bob Hardy bought me a strawberry milkshake in the White
Speaker 10: Tower Tuesday after court, trying to look someone in the eye,
Speaker 10: and everything is slightly out of focus.
Speaker 1: Such was the ballad of Bob Hardy, not a friend
Speaker 1: in the world, a betrayer, betrayed, silver pieces scattered across
Speaker 1: the temple floor, with only his intentions and best laid
Speaker 1: plans and a strawberry milkshake to keep him company. For
Speaker 1: the rest of the Camden twenty eighth defense case, they
Speaker 1: turned the courtroom into a symposium on the war.
Speaker 5: It was really quite a spectacle and wonderful. A lot
Speaker 5: of good testimony, a lot of people came forward. The
Speaker 5: judge was incredibly lenient.
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Barry vigorously objected to everything that wasn't about the
Speaker 1: specific case in Camden, But the judge astoundingly decided he
Speaker 1: did not want the jury to be weighing the defendants'
Speaker 1: fates in a vacuum.
Speaker 2: He gave them as much leeway as you could possibly
Speaker 2: have hoped for. After year after year after year after year,
Speaker 2: you know, objection, your honor sustain. Objection, your honor, sustain,
Speaker 2: this is not about the war in Vietnam. It's about
Speaker 2: a criminal act. Objection, your honor. The judge said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to deny your motion, mister prosecutor. I think
Speaker 2: we need to hear the context that these people were
Speaker 2: doing these things in or it'll be incomprehensible.
Speaker 3: He started to let more and more testimony in, and
Speaker 3: sometimes he would let testimony said, but he'd have the
Speaker 3: jury excused. Other times he just got so fascinated himself
Speaker 3: by the stories that were being told that he was
Speaker 3: riveted by what was gone on in the court room.
Speaker 1: This gave them the opening they needed to finally make
Speaker 1: the movement's case on behalf of all the raids that
Speaker 1: had come before.
Speaker 3: So we were guilty on all charges, and we were
Speaker 3: saying we were guilty on all charges by law. But
Speaker 3: we presented the argument like a fire department breaking into
Speaker 3: a burning building to save people. This building of the
Speaker 3: United States was burning, and we were breaking into save
Speaker 3: lives in Vietnam, to save our own soldiers' lives.
Speaker 1: One of the defendants felt that the best way for
Speaker 1: her to testify to her motives was to ask Sarah
Speaker 1: Tosi to sing a song on the witness stand by Peter,
Speaker 1: Paul and Mary called the Great Mandela. Singing together was
Speaker 1: a major part of the Camden twenty eight culture, and
Speaker 1: the song summed up perfectly their objections to the war
Speaker 1: and the draft.
Speaker 5: Sarah was extremely smart, very thoughtful, cerebral intense. She had
Speaker 5: an intensity about her. We sang a lot of duets
Speaker 5: when she played her guitar, you know, like Jacquearl songs
Speaker 5: and the Great Mandala. I mean we had this like repertoire.
Speaker 6: We would sing.
Speaker 5: People say, oh, Sarah, can you play your guitar?
Speaker 6: Can you guys sing?
Speaker 1: The judge, of course, had never heard such a proposal
Speaker 1: in all his years on the bench, but eventually he
Speaker 1: consented to allow Sarah to sing the song from the
Speaker 1: stand with the jury absent from the courtroom.
Speaker 10: Mary Anne Patrick Thursday, I gave something called an order
Speaker 10: of proof. I walked the witness stand with my guitar
Speaker 10: on my shoulder, and I sang the Great Mandela. The
Speaker 10: judge sat to the right, creaking in his chair. The
Speaker 10: prosecutors sat in front of me. I sang into their faces.
Speaker 10: I sang till those damn walls echoed till the typewriters
Speaker 10: stopped in the clerk's office, till heads bowed over the
Speaker 10: defense table.
Speaker 6: The prosecutor rose up.
Speaker 10: This is a travesty, he said, Yeah, I sang my
Speaker 10: guts out to federal ears.
Speaker 1: The following day, in open court, the judge said that
Speaker 1: the performance was respectful and reverential.
Speaker 10: I can't begin to speculate where it's all headed, but
Speaker 10: it's spring again, quiet, rainy evening, and courage revered. Hoping
Speaker 10: flows not easily, but it flows.
Speaker 1: Then Paul Koming took the stand. Six of the raiders
Speaker 1: had met at his sanctuary at the Paulice Center. The
Speaker 1: prosecutor did everything he could in his cross examination to
Speaker 1: get Paul to admit to prior bad acts and fill
Speaker 1: the government's gaps and knowledge about the Catholic less previous activity.
Speaker 1: The defendants then accused Prosecutor Barry of being on a
Speaker 1: fishing expedition for incriminating testimony. When he would ask Paul
Speaker 1: questions like did you participate in the Boston raid? At once,
Speaker 1: the defendants would all leap to their feet. Paul replied,
Speaker 1: as far as giving any more information to indict myself
Speaker 1: on any other charges. I don't think it is right.
Speaker 1: If the Constitution agrees with me, then so be it,
Speaker 1: to which the judge said, I take it you are
Speaker 1: invoking the Fifth Amendment in not replying to the question.
Speaker 1: Is that right? And Kooming responded if the Fifth Amendment
Speaker 1: says what I said? Okay. Weed X, once again throwing
Speaker 1: caution to the wind, then stood up and reminded the
Speaker 1: judge that he had been prohibited from asking about the
Speaker 1: FBI's prior bad acts as revealed by the media papers.
Speaker 1: If mister Barry is going to be permitted to ask
Speaker 1: specific questions which could lead to indictment of any of
Speaker 1: my brothers or sisters, he said, that, to me would
Speaker 1: represent a travesty of justice. It will indicate, at least
Speaker 1: to my own mind, that the American system of justice
Speaker 1: is directed only against little people and not against representatives
Speaker 1: of the government itself. The Kendon twenty eight then called
Speaker 1: Dan Berrigan and Phil Berrigan to the stand, as they
Speaker 1: were both finally out of jail, and when Dan was
Speaker 1: asked about informers, he responded as follows, even though Judas
Speaker 1: was in our midst we weren't allowed to destroy or
Speaker 1: harm him. By late April, the defense had two more
Speaker 1: witnesses to go. The first was Howard Zen.
Speaker 14: I testified during the Vietnam War and a bunch of trials.
Speaker 14: You know, there were all these trials of the you know,
Speaker 14: the Baltimore four, the Catonsville nine, the Milwaukee fourteen, the
Speaker 14: Camden twenty eighth. I testified as a so called expert witness.
Speaker 14: Previous trials had taken place in the midst of the war.
Speaker 14: By this time, the war was reaching its end. The
Speaker 14: anti war movement had become huge, the country had turned
Speaker 14: against the war, and I believe that in this atmosphere
Speaker 14: the judge was more open to an anti war protest
Speaker 14: by the defenders.
Speaker 3: So that made it possible for Howard Zen to get
Speaker 3: up there and give his lengthy testimony, which he had
Speaker 3: never been allowed to give, at least in front of
Speaker 3: a jury before, and every trial he had been asked
Speaker 3: to testify in about what the war in Vietnam was
Speaker 3: really about.
Speaker 14: They'd not committed in just a crime that wasn't simply
Speaker 14: breaking an entry. They weren't criminals. They were committing acts
Speaker 14: of civil disobedience, and civil disobedience was an honorable tradition
Speaker 14: in American history. So that was my job to talk
Speaker 14: about the history of civil disobedience. I started with a
Speaker 14: Declaration of Independence, which, after all, is you might say,
Speaker 14: a manifesto for civil disobedience.
Speaker 1: Howard's first point to the jury was that we are
Speaker 1: all taught that the law is holy, but this misses
Speaker 1: the distinction between law and justice. Law and justice don't
Speaker 1: coincide very often, he said, and when a law perpetuates injustice,
Speaker 1: it must not be obeyed.
Speaker 7: He testified for at least a day. I mean, it
Speaker 7: was long testimony.
Speaker 3: The jurors.
Speaker 7: You could hear a pin drop in that room the
Speaker 7: whole time.
Speaker 1: Zin then laid out for the jury what had recently
Speaker 1: been revealed in the leaked Pentagon Papers. The papers contained
Speaker 1: the astonishing revelation that the government had been lying to
Speaker 1: the American people for years about this war.
Speaker 14: I spoke to the jury for about five hours telling
Speaker 14: them what was in the Pentagon Papers.
Speaker 1: Among the more shocking elements of the Pentagon Papers was
Speaker 1: this sentence. We must note that South Vietnam, unlike any
Speaker 1: of the other countries in Southeast Asia, was essentially the
Speaker 1: creation of the United States. Remember how I told you
Speaker 1: the US government had installed Cardinal Spelman's handpicked Catholic mystic
Speaker 1: friend in Vietnam. This had finally been revealed by the
Speaker 1: Pentagon Papers, and Howard Zinn spent the day informing the
Speaker 1: jury about it. But in fact, the US interest in
Speaker 1: Vietnam's resources had actually begun in the post war nineteen forties,
Speaker 1: and it came.
Speaker 3: Down to be in about ten, rubber, and oil, and
Speaker 3: that those were three commodities that they had in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: The ten could be mine there, the rubber was grown there,
Speaker 3: and the oil was already known to exist in the
Speaker 3: China Sea off the Vietnamese coast.
Speaker 1: Fifty eight thousand young American soldiers had now died in
Speaker 1: Vietnam for tin, rubber, and oil.
Speaker 3: And then in the middle of Howard's end's testimony, the
Speaker 3: key element happened was that this loud, loud sobbing at
Speaker 3: the top of her voice was Bobby Good's mother was
Speaker 3: in the audience listening to him.
Speaker 1: Bob Good was one of the Camden twenty eight defendants.
Speaker 3: Well, Bobby's Goods brother Paul Good, had been killed in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: Her mother was in the audience listening to Howard's Inn
Speaker 3: and hearing all the faint little threads of hope she
Speaker 3: had that her son had died in Vietnam for something
Speaker 3: worthwhile totally taken away, and that her son had died
Speaker 3: not for the people Vietnam, not for freedom in the world,
Speaker 3: but it died because of corporate greed and ten and
Speaker 3: oil and rubber. She just sobbed this incredibly powerful sobbing.
Speaker 3: It just stunned the whole court. And it wasn't anything
Speaker 3: the judge could overrule, you know. It came from the audience.
Speaker 3: But she solved for just for a minute or two,
Speaker 3: but it stunned everybody, and nobody dared to say anything
Speaker 3: to her or to stop her.
Speaker 1: And then Bob Good's mother, Betty Good, took the stand herself.
Speaker 7: She said, I can't testify. I'm too upset, Bhlah about
Speaker 7: did you have to testify? So she gets on the
Speaker 7: witness stand, and that was I think truly the highest
Speaker 7: moment of the entire tribe.
Speaker 3: She gets on the stand and tells the story about
Speaker 3: how what she had just gone through and why she
Speaker 3: was crying out loud, and then such agony was because
Speaker 3: she realized her son had died in vain, that her
Speaker 3: son had died without purpose, without any good purpose.
Speaker 7: And now I find out, after listening to professors in
Speaker 7: that my boy he went over there not for any
Speaker 7: good reason or moral reason or justified reason, but he
Speaker 7: went over there for rubber tin and oil. And I
Speaker 7: am so angry that I was ever proud to put
Speaker 7: him on that plane.
Speaker 3: And then she turned immediately to the jury and said,
Speaker 3: and it's these people that are doing the good. They're
Speaker 3: doing what we failed to do. She's talking to the
Speaker 3: jury is up here saying we failed. My son Paul
Speaker 3: died because I failed to recognize and to stand up earlier.
Speaker 3: These people today and that are we're putting on trial
Speaker 3: had no choice but to do what they did, and
Speaker 3: we should be thankful for what they did.
Speaker 1: We should get out of this, she closed. But not
Speaker 1: one of us, not one of us, raised our hands
Speaker 1: to do anything about it. We left it up to
Speaker 1: these people for them to do it, and now we
Speaker 1: are prosecuting them for it.
Speaker 3: That testimony just blew everyone away. It blew the judge away,
Speaker 3: It blewed the jury away.
Speaker 1: One defendant noticed a tear in Judge Fisher's eye when
Speaker 1: Betty Good's testimony was done. By the time it came
Speaker 1: to closing arguments. The marshals and the stenographers had all
Speaker 1: fallen in love with the Camden twenty eight.
Speaker 7: The marshals, who in the beginning were putting us through
Speaker 7: metal defectors, started wearing twenty eight buttons under their lapels.
Speaker 1: The trial had gone on for over three months and
Speaker 1: the Canden twenty eight had made the courtroom something of
Speaker 1: a home for the jurors. Father Mike Doyle had the
Speaker 1: final closing statement before Prosecutor Barry would give his own.
Speaker 1: Father Doyle said, now I don't feel comfortable that John
Speaker 1: Barry has the last word. I was thinking about that,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, but that he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: last word. You have the last word. And then I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that, and I think you have the
Speaker 1: last two words. Then Prosecutor John Barry stood up in
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms. He told the jury the defendants had
Speaker 1: broken the law and that political motivation cannot be used
Speaker 1: as a defense. And when he was done, he thanked
Speaker 1: the jury, to whom the fate of the Camden twenty
Speaker 1: eight would now be entrusted. When you sit on a jury,
Speaker 1: the first thing that happens after both cases rest, before
Speaker 1: you go into deliberation is that the judge gives you
Speaker 1: instructions and advises you on the meaning of the laws
Speaker 1: you are applying. Judge Fisher told the jury regarding the defendants,
Speaker 1: the law does not recognize religious or moral convictions or
Speaker 1: some higher law as justification for the commission of a crime,
Speaker 1: no matter how noble that motive may be. I charge you.
Speaker 1: He said that you may not treat the defendants beliefs
Speaker 1: with respect to the war in Vietnam or other possible
Speaker 1: injustices to which you have heard references as a possible
Speaker 1: negation of criminal intent. The defendant's hearts were gradually sinking
Speaker 1: as he spoke, and then he dealt the decisive blow
Speaker 1: the defendants' motivations in this case, the fact that he
Speaker 1: or she was engaged in a protest and the sincere
Speaker 1: belief that he or she was acting in a good
Speaker 1: cause is not an acceptable legal defense or justification. And
Speaker 1: with that they knew their hopes of a hung jury
Speaker 1: were basically dashed, and they were all going off to prison.
Speaker 6: Things have a way way of happening.
Speaker 10: Strength comes when it is needed most, and paths have
Speaker 10: a way of opening when everything seems lost. If only
Speaker 10: we can stay open to living and all the risks
Speaker 10: it implies.
Speaker 6: Amen, let it be.
Speaker 1: The jurors deliberated all day Thursday all day Friday, and
Speaker 1: were sequestered in a hotel for the weekend because of
Speaker 1: the press attention. Some of the defendants stayed up all
Speaker 1: night on Sunday and drove to the Jersey Shore to
Speaker 1: swim in the ocean for the last time.
Speaker 3: Most of us were had given up waiting and gone
Speaker 3: to Atlantic City to go swimming, which was a couple
Speaker 3: hour drive away. We got a phone call saying that
Speaker 3: the jury was ready to give the verdict and we
Speaker 3: had to be in the courtroom in a couple of hours.
Speaker 3: So we got out of the Atlantic Ocean which we
Speaker 3: had just been swimming in, at sunrise and drove while
Speaker 3: the way back and got into the courtroom just in
Speaker 3: time to hear the call.
Speaker 1: The jury entered the courtroom at two thirty five pm.
Speaker 1: The courtroom was packed with two hundred supporters of the
Speaker 1: Candon twenty eight, and there was overflowed down the corridor
Speaker 1: and spilling out onto the street.
Speaker 2: We didn't know what was going to happen. The deliberation
Speaker 2: went on for quite a while, over a weekend Monday.
Speaker 2: We all shuffled in there.
Speaker 1: The jury roll was called. All were present. The defendants stood,
Speaker 1: linked their arms and bowed their heads. The judge asked
Speaker 1: if they had reached a verdict. They had. The first
Speaker 1: Candon twenty eight defendant in alphabetical order was a man
Speaker 1: named Terry Buckaloo. The foreman would read the verdict on
Speaker 1: every count for every defendant. The judge addressed the foreman,
Speaker 1: how say you, how do you find the defendant Terry
Speaker 1: Edward Buckaloo on count one of the indictment. We find him,
Speaker 1: your honor, not guilty.
Speaker 2: The courtroom goes, whoa, And then the second one not guilty,
Speaker 2: not guilty, not you know, the the judge goes, you know,
Speaker 2: is this going to be not guilty on everything? And
Speaker 2: he goes, yes, you run a lot.
Speaker 5: Everybody, just like all counts, not guilty on all counts,
Speaker 5: for all defendants. And when that became known, it was
Speaker 5: just like mayhem. You know, the moment of the decision
Speaker 5: was spectacular, and one of my most vivid memories of
Speaker 5: Sarah is that she began singing Amazing Grace in the
Speaker 5: courtroom where we're all holding hands.
Speaker 14: And when the verdict of the jury was announced, people
Speaker 14: stood up in the court rope and sang amazing grace.
Speaker 14: They stood up with.
Speaker 3: It was quite a scene and there was.
Speaker 14: A great, great sign of what the anti war movement
Speaker 14: had accomplished over the years, and how this sort of
Speaker 14: came to a kind of climax in the courtroom in Camden,
Speaker 14: New Jersey.
Speaker 1: The judge lingered and the clerks and marshalls joined in
Speaker 1: the singing.
Speaker 3: Because they knew that they had been called to an action.
Speaker 3: They weren't called to make a decision about what that
Speaker 3: we should go to jail or not. They were called
Speaker 3: to join in our action, to legitimize it and say
Speaker 3: this action was a good thing to do under the circumstances.
Speaker 3: This was the best American thing we can do.
Speaker 2: We were dancing in the aisles. It was quite incredible.
Speaker 2: We were crying, you know when the band, oh, it's
Speaker 2: it's farewell party, when the Beatles are breaking up, but
Speaker 2: they got to have one more bash. That's sort of
Speaker 2: what that trial was.
Speaker 3: There was only one restaurant which had a bar in
Speaker 3: all of Camden, and so everybody went there, the prosecution,
Speaker 3: the judge, the defendants, we all went to the same
Speaker 3: place to eat and the drink.
Speaker 1: One of the Catonsville nine raiders had come to Camden
Speaker 1: to support the defendants and saw the judge at the bar.
Speaker 3: He pulled up the chair next to the judge at
Speaker 3: the bar. Judge says to him, you know what, those
Speaker 3: people are not the crooks. The crooks are in Washington.
Speaker 3: These people are the heroes. These people are the cream
Speaker 3: of the crop. That's what he said about us.
Speaker 1: The New York Times declared the verdict was the first
Speaker 1: total legal victory for the anti war movement in five
Speaker 1: years of such draft board incidents.
Speaker 14: The interesting thing about the Camden twenty eighth trial, this
Speaker 14: was his first trial of all these trials in which
Speaker 14: the defendants were quitted. Even though they were caught red handed.
Speaker 14: There they were no question about what they had done.
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that we were caught right handed, despite
Speaker 3: the fact that we all admitted we did it, and
Speaker 3: we all wanted to do it and would do it again,
Speaker 3: that jury stood with us and said not guilty because
Speaker 3: they had solidarity with what we had done. That was
Speaker 3: when the peace movement won in Camden. We finally didn't
Speaker 3: just win a case, We won the heart of America
Speaker 3: over to the fact that the war had got on
Speaker 3: too long and was too wrong to continue.
Speaker 14: The American public became aware of the atrocities we were
Speaker 14: committing of Vietnam, and after all, American people, like all people,
Speaker 14: fundamentally decent when they learned the truth. However, they've been
Speaker 14: deceived by the government, by the authorities. When they learned
Speaker 14: the truth, they're perfectly willing to change their minds.
Speaker 3: Since that May twentieth, nineteen seventy three, have had that
Speaker 3: in my head that if the people know what the
Speaker 3: truth is, the people make good decisions. That's what it's
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: If a law is unjust, it must not be obeyed,
Speaker 1: whether it be federal law or canonical. Patrick and mary
Speaker 1: Anne were deeply in love. They had been inseparable since
Speaker 1: the night they kissed. He performed his duties as a
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic priest during the day and would sneak off
Speaker 1: to Dorchester at night to be with Mary Anne and
Speaker 1: Chrissy and Jojo. He could get himself to forget for
Speaker 1: long stretches of time that he was betraying his vows
Speaker 1: and everyone who attended his liturgies betrayal. It seems when
Speaker 1: you're dealing in passionate feelings. Is as human to love.
Speaker 1: Betrayers become betrayed. Patrick knew somewhere in his mind that
Speaker 1: this situation could not go on forever.
Speaker 6: I remember there was this moment.
Speaker 8: Patrick went on a trip to I think the Dominican Republic,
Speaker 8: and it was the longest way have been apart. I
Speaker 8: think we were apart for three weeks, and when we
Speaker 8: came back together, it was the first time he hesitated.
Speaker 8: It was probably the first time he'd had a moment
Speaker 8: to step out of it, first of all where he
Speaker 8: could think, like Holy God, because for him it was
Speaker 8: the complete end of a way of life.
Speaker 15: I mean, it was over that way of life.
Speaker 8: We had the conversation and it was really painful, but
Speaker 8: I remember saying to him that honestly, what I really
Speaker 8: wanted for him was for him to be happy and
Speaker 8: free and liberated, you know, to be who he's really
Speaker 8: meant to be. And if that didn't involve me, I
Speaker 8: would be heartbroken, but that would have to be the
Speaker 8: way it is or was. And he told me later
Speaker 8: that for him that was almost one of the most
Speaker 8: extraordinary things that's ever happened to him, Like his experience
Speaker 8: of that was that I loved him that unconditionally, which
Speaker 8: I did. I did. I wanted him to be who
Speaker 8: was meant to be, and I knew I couldn't fathom
Speaker 8: life without him. I couldn't fathom. I mean, I cannot
Speaker 8: imagine had actually had well, I can because he died,
Speaker 8: so I can't imagine. I would have been devastated, absolutely
Speaker 8: devastated because I loved him like with my whole I
Speaker 8: loved him unconditionally. I loved him with my whole heart.
Speaker 8: And for him, I think that was a momentary, it
Speaker 8: was like a panic attack because he was about to
Speaker 8: give up everything he had just built over the last
Speaker 8: ten years of his life, from the seminary through the
Speaker 8: police fathers to this moment of walking away from all
Speaker 8: of that.
Speaker 1: After that conversation, Patrick knew what he had to do.
Speaker 1: Patrick would leave the priesthood and marry Mary Anne. He
Speaker 1: would do what was right in his heart, canonical law
Speaker 1: be damned. But first he had to tell the people
Speaker 1: closest to him, his parents, his seminary brother Jim Carroll,
Speaker 1: and the thousand people that came to his liturgy extravaganzas
Speaker 1: every Sunday.
Speaker 8: Because the implications were enormous. I mean, I don't mean
Speaker 8: to overblow that, but they were enormous for the people
Speaker 8: who were impacted.
Speaker 1: And not really knowing how else to do it, Patrick
Speaker 1: waited until the end of Mass, where typically there would
Speaker 1: be announcements, so he told them that he too had
Speaker 1: an announcement, and that he had fallen in love and
Speaker 1: that he would be getting married to Mary Anne Woodward.
Speaker 1: At first, gasps were followed by a stunned silence, and then.
Speaker 8: And I thought the roof was going to come off
Speaker 8: the building.
Speaker 16: People were clapping and shouting and screaming, and it was
Speaker 16: I mean, I know, many hundreds of people were really surprised,
Speaker 16: and obviously certain people weren't surprised.
Speaker 3: But it was a surprise.
Speaker 8: It was a surprise to most and the place went wild.
Speaker 8: But they were so joyful, I mean, they were clearly
Speaker 8: so happy for him, even though it had huge implications
Speaker 8: for the community. I was in the church. It was
Speaker 8: in the church, and I remember leaning against like a pillar,
Speaker 8: and this woman came over to me and she said, oh,
Speaker 8: there's going to be a lot of wet pillows in
Speaker 8: the city of Boston tonight.
Speaker 1: So I told you early on that I wouldn't insert
Speaker 1: myself much in this story, but it's here that it
Speaker 1: becomes unavoidable. As your host, I have betrayed you. I
Speaker 1: just could never figure out the right time to tell
Speaker 1: you this. Marianne and Patrick are my mother and father.
Speaker 1: Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's produced
Speaker 1: by Wondermedia Network. It was created and written by me,
Speaker 1: your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our robustly proficient producers are
Speaker 1: Carmen Borca Carreo, Abby Delk, Paloma Moreno, Jimenez, Grace Lynch,
Speaker 1: and myself. Our editor is Creator of Worlds Grace Lynch
Speaker 1: for Wonder Media Network. Our executive producers are Emily Rudder
Speaker 1: and Jenny Kaplan for iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producer is
Speaker 1: Christina Everett. This episode was developed using archival material from
Speaker 1: the ante in the Jacchino Canden twenty eight Motion picture
Speaker 1: collection at the Swarthmore College Peace Collection. You can check
Speaker 1: out Anthony Giacchino's documentary The Canden twenty eight for more
Speaker 1: information on this slice of history. The late Saratosi was
Speaker 1: voiced by Carly Pope. Amazing Grace and other music was
Speaker 1: arranged and performed by the incredible Morris Smiley, Kai Fukuda
Speaker 1: and friends. The chorus singing La Cromosa from Mozart's Requiem
Speaker 1: was crowdsourced from my friends on social media, arranged by
Speaker 1: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and produced by me. Thank you to
Speaker 1: all the contributors. Our theme in end credit music was
Speaker 1: composed and performed by Down to Earth rock goddess Tanya
Speaker 1: Donnelly and mastered by Ben Aerons. Masterer to the Stars,
Speaker 1: This is Brendan Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to
Speaker 1: Divine Intervention.