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Speaker 1: on November sixteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode number sixty four.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. I am
Speaker 1: live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I
Speaker 1: got Nick and Dave and Amber and it's happy. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be back with these guys. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him since last Monday. We did our show shuffle and
Speaker 1: uh and so I'm interested to hear from these guys,
Speaker 1: which we will do in just a second, what their
Speaker 1: experience was without having me hosting their show. Hopefully it
Speaker 1: was something that they missed and they're happy to be
Speaker 1: back with me. We'll also talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: Trey Von Dick, because we did not get a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about his injury last week and what that
Speaker 1: means for him and for the team. We'll talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the NFC East, some interesting developments with
Speaker 1: that division yesterday that might put the Cowboys closer to
Speaker 1: maybe winning the division. I know Dave's gonna have a
Speaker 1: look for me right about now, and then we'll finally
Speaker 1: have a segment at the end where Amber is gonna
Speaker 1: give us some questions. It's got a little game for us,
Speaker 1: I think, and some questions that we're going to roll
Speaker 1: through in the maybe a little bit of the second segment.
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing today? We're good, great, Dred good, good good,
Speaker 1: Let's jump in. I actually did want to debrief a
Speaker 1: little bit. It was kind of funny because and I'll
Speaker 1: save mine until the end, But as I was doing
Speaker 1: the show last week in our shuffle, and I had
Speaker 1: Isaiah with me, and I had Barry Church with me,
Speaker 1: and I had Kurt Daniels with me, there were moments
Speaker 1: during those shows where I was like, y'all really think that,
Speaker 1: And it makes you realize just how much we on
Speaker 1: our show have our very solid opinions about certain things.
Speaker 1: And we kind of started I know, for myself, I
Speaker 1: started to think the whole world has those opinions until
Speaker 1: I started interacting with other people from other shows and
Speaker 1: realize that some of those just aren't what everybody thinks.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go around the table here, and I
Speaker 1: want you guys, each one of you, to tell me
Speaker 1: one thing that you learned last week on your show,
Speaker 1: on whatever show you were on, that maybe you didn't
Speaker 1: really think was out there, that that some other people believe.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with you. Nick Well obviously learned the
Speaker 1: way Nate Newton feels about moral victories and so and
Speaker 1: he learned he learned how I feel about mine. And
Speaker 1: it probably went on for a little bit too long.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I you know I had Kyle Yeoman,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's very prepared. You know, he does
Speaker 1: a nice job, you know, a hosting of course, and
Speaker 1: you know Nate, you know, it brings a perspective that
Speaker 1: that was you know, it's we don't have obviously on
Speaker 1: this show, just from a from being a player and
Speaker 1: a really good player. So um, but you know I
Speaker 1: had worked with those guys before it It was it
Speaker 1: was good. I mean, uh, you know, we differed on
Speaker 1: on some things on the quarterbacks and who who to play,
Speaker 1: so that that wasn't unusual because we do that on
Speaker 1: this show too. But uh, you know I didn't I
Speaker 1: don't know what I learned that was different. I just
Speaker 1: thought you know, it was it was different perspectives. But
Speaker 1: you know, I've never seen you Derek wear a referee
Speaker 1: or you never had to do that, so Kyle busted
Speaker 1: that out. But it was it was a good idea,
Speaker 1: and it was it was fun to do hamper your up. Well,
Speaker 1: it was fun too to get to tuning to those
Speaker 1: other shows and watch you guys and see how you
Speaker 1: guys behave around other people and other environments. So that
Speaker 1: was fun. Um, But I wasn't on hanging with the boys.
Speaker 1: And you know that show's Shannon Grows hosting it. It's
Speaker 1: pretty chill, like there was no drama or anything. The
Speaker 1: one thing that I can think of that somehow we
Speaker 1: ended up talking about Jason Garrett, and Shannon had the
Speaker 1: audacity to say something that and we all we all
Speaker 1: respect Jason Garrett, and I think we all see certain
Speaker 1: values that he brings and certain things that he's really
Speaker 1: really good at. But Shannon there to say that he
Speaker 1: appreciated the fact of Jason Garrett, how he was so
Speaker 1: consistent and how you knew what you were gonna get
Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett, which was mainly part of his problem
Speaker 1: and part of the reason why people were ready to
Speaker 1: get rid of him. So you know, Shannon, you never
Speaker 1: really know when to take him seriously. But that comment,
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, I was just shaking my head.
Speaker 1: But that was the only thing that kind of stood
Speaker 1: out that was maybe different from what most of us
Speaker 1: think about Jason Garrett and his era here with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, I will say this too about you, ag.
Speaker 1: I even texted you. You seem to be real agreeable
Speaker 1: and really nice last week on Hanging with the Boys.
Speaker 1: That was not what I'm familiar with. Nick actually hit
Speaker 1: me up the same, the same thing, like you a
Speaker 1: whole different person on that show than you than what
Speaker 1: you ring over here. You know, when you're when you're
Speaker 1: in somebody else's house, you gotta behave and you gotta nice.
Speaker 1: So that's nally why I was so well behaved, and
Speaker 1: and I was just, yeah, you're representing us well. I
Speaker 1: like it all right, Dave, what do you learn last week?
Speaker 1: I learned that structure can be a good thing because
Speaker 1: you know, me and Nick like to poke fun at you,
Speaker 1: and you send us an eight hundred word rundown every day,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I think this show is a little bit
Speaker 1: too structured. But I got a really good taste of
Speaker 1: the opposite into that with Mickey and Bill Jones last week,
Speaker 1: because we just kind of rolled the ball out there
Speaker 1: and like, let's see what happens, and it went in
Speaker 1: some pretty weird places. I think we talked about wife swapping,
Speaker 1: we talked about World War two, we talked about um,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked a little bit about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But I would not say it was like the dominant
Speaker 1: topic of conversation. So I had a good time, but
Speaker 1: I just remember being kind of blown away, like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is where your podcast can go if
Speaker 1: you don't really come at it with a game plan.
Speaker 1: I guess so fun Well, I'll take that as a compliment, Dave.
Speaker 1: I'll really take that as a compliment that you like
Speaker 1: the fact that we have struggle. It is so and
Speaker 1: at this time you point out that we're too structured,
Speaker 1: I'll just say, do you want to go back to
Speaker 1: Mike shots? You have every option shots? All right? I'm okay.
Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing I found out last week,
Speaker 1: and I know when they when they said it, I scoffed,
Speaker 1: and I immediately thought, if they were on the break
Speaker 1: right now with these with my other co hosts, like
Speaker 1: you guys would have skewered them. But Isaiah and Barry
Speaker 1: both believe, I mean wholeheartedly believe the Dallas Cowboys will
Speaker 1: win the NFC East. And we took a little time
Speaker 1: talking about this and they agree it's it's kool a,
Speaker 1: but they're like, we're drinking it all in because they
Speaker 1: believe that the Cowboys will win this division. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna actually tee that up for you guys a little
Speaker 1: bit later in this show, because there were some things
Speaker 1: that happened yesterday in the NFC East that I know
Speaker 1: both of them were sitting there looking like, hey, here
Speaker 1: we go, you know, So we'll talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit later in the show. I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about a bit of news that came out last
Speaker 1: week that we didn't get a chance to go through together.
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs reportedly out four to six weeks with a
Speaker 1: broken foot. I think it's known he has a broken foot.
Speaker 1: The reported part is the four to six weeks, which
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's if the organization has said
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be out four to six weeks, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out some time. Tito has was activated
Speaker 1: last week from the reserved injured list. My first question
Speaker 1: for you guys is how much does this hurt Trey
Speaker 1: Von Diggs, assuming he's out four to six weeks, how
Speaker 1: much hurt his development? Let's start with you Amber. I mean,
Speaker 1: he hurts him. Obviously, you want him out there getting
Speaker 1: those traps and everything. But at the same time, one
Speaker 1: thing we've learned from watching him play is that he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna keep fighting. He's a guy that's
Speaker 1: not gonna be affected by the adversity, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: keep pushing. So that's on the positive side. But it
Speaker 1: always hurts a guy that's a rookie that we had
Speaker 1: just seen the last few weeks how he has been
Speaker 1: making plays. So it's very unfortunate for the Cowboys secondary.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's gonna hurt his development, but I'm positive
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be able to bounce back and be
Speaker 1: just fine. Dave, Yeah, I just I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: step out on a limb and say, and obviously I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. I feel like we've probably seen the
Speaker 1: last of on for the season. I mean, if that,
Speaker 1: if that indication is right, you know you're talking about
Speaker 1: maybe not being ready to come back until Christmas, and
Speaker 1: then at that point, do you risk further injury for
Speaker 1: a promising rookie with you know, two weeks left in
Speaker 1: the season, that which maybe they'll make a playoff push
Speaker 1: and it'll be worth bringing him back, but I would
Speaker 1: assume not. Um, So it just sucks because that's that's
Speaker 1: seven weeks worth of reps that he could get that
Speaker 1: would make him a better player for next year. I'm
Speaker 1: not super worried about the long term. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was really impressed by what he was able to show
Speaker 1: in a depleted secondary as a rookie, but it would
Speaker 1: it would just be nice if he could have seven
Speaker 1: weeks worth or reps to continue to improve. Nick. You know,
Speaker 1: he keeps saying four to six weeks, and that's what
Speaker 1: the report was, but we haven't talked about this in
Speaker 1: a while. It's almost three to five weeks at this point,
Speaker 1: just because it has been a week or so, and
Speaker 1: so if it is on the on the art short
Speaker 1: end of this, then you know, I do think maybe
Speaker 1: he can come back and play um the last few games.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a broken foot, if it's healed,
Speaker 1: if it's healthy. You know, I think he could do
Speaker 1: that in the last couple of games, depending on how
Speaker 1: things are. But but I don't think it really hurts
Speaker 1: his development. He's a guy we've seen he's got a
Speaker 1: terrible memory, which is exactly what you need as a cornerback.
Speaker 1: So he know he needs to just step right in play.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a gamer. Sometimes it works for the
Speaker 1: other team. You know, he gives up some big places,
Speaker 1: but he makes them. So I think if he can
Speaker 1: come back the way that I are rules are now,
Speaker 1: I think if he can come back for a game
Speaker 1: or two, even if that's the case, I would I
Speaker 1: would do that. And I don't know, Dave. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the if the broken foot coming back, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it would re injure it. You know,
Speaker 1: if his healed is healed, so who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 1: But if he if he could play, I would play him.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily disagree. It just makes me. It
Speaker 1: makes me nervous. And I don't know that this is
Speaker 1: the injury that Dez Bryant had, but that's what I
Speaker 1: think of when I hear about broken bones and feet.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a very you know, you need feet to
Speaker 1: play football, especially footwork is everything for a defensive back,
Speaker 1: and I just worry, Yeah, if it's healed, it's healed,
Speaker 1: but is in a situation where you can reaggravate it
Speaker 1: or you know, if you're trying to make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: do you come back when it's healed but not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent right and you risk aggravating it. That's why
Speaker 1: I just I lean toward thinking it's smarter to shut
Speaker 1: him down. But I also, I'm not a doctor. I
Speaker 1: don't know the severity, but that's just the type of
Speaker 1: stuff I think about when I hear this. So let's
Speaker 1: flip to the guy that presumably will be jumping right
Speaker 1: into the spot that he now vacates, Cheetobo Woozier. If
Speaker 1: you have to make a decision right now on Cheeto
Speaker 1: based upon what you know at this point, are you
Speaker 1: going to sign him? Are you looking to resign him
Speaker 1: in the offseason? Dave, that's really kind of unfair since
Speaker 1: we got to see two games of tape out of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he really hasn't had a season. The question
Speaker 1: always comes down to price. I mean, if I could
Speaker 1: resign Cheeto for a similar deal to what they got
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown for you know, five million a year or
Speaker 1: something fairly small by starter standards, I'd probably do it.
Speaker 1: He's he is the free agent defensive back that I
Speaker 1: would be most willing to resign. I'll say that. But
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to offer him a boatload on the
Speaker 1: open market, I'm okay. Nick, that's a tough one because
Speaker 1: you'd like to just say nah, no, you can go on,
Speaker 1: because you know, you can just look at this season
Speaker 1: and see, you know, and I don't know the severity
Speaker 1: of the injury, but you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: quickly was trying to get back. I mean, again, we
Speaker 1: don't know much what's going on, but I know he
Speaker 1: was out there for a long long time. I wonder
Speaker 1: if the record played a part into that. However, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Cowboys are in a situation where
Speaker 1: they can say, well, you know, just go on, we're
Speaker 1: good because you're not good. You're not good at cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: so you need as many guys. I think Dave's right.
Speaker 1: I think he goes to free agency. I think you know,
Speaker 1: he tests the market, he sees what's out there. It
Speaker 1: might be a situation where you know, he does stay,
Speaker 1: but I just have a feeling he'll probably sign with
Speaker 1: another team Hamber. I think it depends on the money.
Speaker 1: If it makes sense. I would keep him because he's
Speaker 1: he's the guy that is competitive and right now, when
Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys cornerback, like, who do you
Speaker 1: really have that you can think of him aside from
Speaker 1: Trevor Dicks, there's no other name that will just automatically
Speaker 1: pop into your head and say, oh, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1: So you need to keep someone you know. You can't
Speaker 1: just bring a bunch of new cornerbacks into the cornerback's room.
Speaker 1: And then you talk about Jordan Lewis. That's another guy
Speaker 1: who you just don't know either. And he has been
Speaker 1: able to play this year, and yes he got an
Speaker 1: injury and was out for a little while. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think that you have to choose
Speaker 1: between one of those two guys. I would keep either
Speaker 1: Jordan or Cheeto, But over those two, I think I
Speaker 1: would have to lean towards Cheeto more. I was really
Speaker 1: excited about with Jordan Lewis this year. He's a I
Speaker 1: love the guy. He's such a competitive guy and he
Speaker 1: has shown so many great plays. But this year just
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out and you just cannot manage to just
Speaker 1: say bye to everyone in your cornerback room. Dave, Nick,
Speaker 1: if you have to choose between the two, Ambert told
Speaker 1: as she would go with Cheeto over Jordan. Would you
Speaker 1: guys do the same thing, And assuming that you're probably
Speaker 1: have to pay a little bit more for Cheeto, probably
Speaker 1: not a lot, but a little bit more. And also
Speaker 1: assuming the fact that right now Jordan's the guy that
Speaker 1: goes into the slot. If you're gonna have Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: and if you're gonna have Treymon Diggs, are you creating
Speaker 1: a problem for yourself if you go with Cheeto. As
Speaker 1: far as who's going to move into the slot, let's
Speaker 1: start first with you, Nick, I'd go for the cheapest guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not spending a lot of money on
Speaker 1: that on those guys at that position. I think in
Speaker 1: free agency, if you're going to do anything in free
Speaker 1: agency this year, I think you've got to see if
Speaker 1: there's a veteran cornerback that's out there that you can
Speaker 1: that you can do something with. So that being said,
Speaker 1: I probably would lean towards Jordan. I think he'd be cheaper,
Speaker 1: and like you, said Derek. It's a good point, I think,
Speaker 1: having a slot guy, but I've been disappointed with him too.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought he would make a little bit
Speaker 1: more plays. He's got a lot of few penalties this year.
Speaker 1: He doesn't you know that that's really been the only
Speaker 1: significant things. I haven't seen him make any any plays. Hey, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what y'all are saying. And nickel
Speaker 1: back slot cornerback is a super important position. But like
Speaker 1: you can find those guys all over the place. Orlando
Speaker 1: Scandrick was pretty good at it for a long time.
Speaker 1: Fifth round pick. More often than not, teams find those
Speaker 1: guys on Day three of the draft. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, Anthony Brown can play slot as well. I
Speaker 1: would resign Cheeto because I have proof he might not
Speaker 1: be amazing at it, but I have proof that Cheeto
Speaker 1: can line up on the outside and cover a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, out on the numbers. And not having Byron
Speaker 1: Jones has emphasized just how important that is to a defense.
Speaker 1: We talked to me and Nick talked about it earlier
Speaker 1: this morning. I don't know that Byron. You know, Byron's
Speaker 1: not having this crazy, amazing season in Miami, But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence that the Dolphins spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money on him and Xavian Howard and their
Speaker 1: defense is pretty nasty. I'm gonna guess that good coverage
Speaker 1: is a big part of that. So give me the
Speaker 1: guy that can cover somebody out on the boundary. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, Cheeto's not Byron Jones, but that's
Speaker 1: who I'd rather have at this point. You got to
Speaker 1: remember though, it Derek, you got to remember this that
Speaker 1: it's a two way street. I mean, these guys may
Speaker 1: not want to sign here. I mean they may they
Speaker 1: want to go another place, and so, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we say I would sign him, and I know that
Speaker 1: was the question. But I again, without talking to either
Speaker 1: one of them, I have a feeling that they'll both
Speaker 1: be out peace, I mean, when they get a chance.
Speaker 1: So I just don't get the sense that they're gonna
Speaker 1: even want to resign. Yeah, it's interesting yesterday watching the NFL,
Speaker 1: you saw a lot of former Cowboys. But it's a
Speaker 1: pretty good plays yesterday, and it's you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can blame that really on anybody. Maybe they're using
Speaker 1: them a different way in other places. I think that's
Speaker 1: really a big thing with Jeff Heath. I think they're
Speaker 1: using him exactly as he's supposed to be used. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be your starter, your main guy. But
Speaker 1: I do think if you're coming in and bringing him
Speaker 1: in on special situations and kind of having him in
Speaker 1: a rotation, I think he plays best there. And we
Speaker 1: know from the time he was here he can make
Speaker 1: some plays every once in a while, like we've seen
Speaker 1: him make plays here with the Cowboys, some big plays.
Speaker 1: I always remember back to that that game against the Raiders,
Speaker 1: that was huge play. You know, he's made some plays
Speaker 1: for them. But all that being said, you're right, Nick,
Speaker 1: you know I'm sorry, David, you just don't know if
Speaker 1: if I'm sorry Nick, you said that, if those guys
Speaker 1: will even want to be here, if they end up
Speaker 1: wanting to go somewhere else because they just feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think another place maybe a better fit for me.
Speaker 1: There's another team that might use my skills in a
Speaker 1: better way than what the way I'm being used here
Speaker 1: with Cowboys are. We're gonna take our first break when
Speaker 1: we come back, We're gonna jump into a little conversation
Speaker 1: about the NFC East, talk about where the teams stand
Speaker 1: there and what we think might happen here down the
Speaker 1: stretch with regards to who will win this really bad
Speaker 1: division at this point, we'll do that when we come
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Speaker 1: of the Break. Well lit from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star talking Cowboys, and we're gonna jump in
Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about the NFC East. Right now,
Speaker 1: these teams are separated by a game and a half.
Speaker 1: I think it is you got Philly at three to
Speaker 1: five and one, You've got New York at three and seven,
Speaker 1: you got Washington at two and seven, and then you
Speaker 1: got the Cowboys at two and seven. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have been talking about this whole idea
Speaker 1: of tanking and trying to get the best pick you
Speaker 1: can get. I heard somebody bring up an interesting point
Speaker 1: though this morning that I wanted to toss to you guys.
Speaker 1: You look at a team like New York where they
Speaker 1: have a new coach and whole new regime, and for
Speaker 1: them it might be just as important to be able
Speaker 1: to establish a culture of winning as it is trying
Speaker 1: to get a high draft pick. My question for you
Speaker 1: guys is the same. You have a situation here where
Speaker 1: you got a brand new coaching staff. They're trying to
Speaker 1: get guys to buy into what they're doing. How important
Speaker 1: is it at this point or what is more important
Speaker 1: trying to get that higher draft pick. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they're going to try to get that higher draft pick,
Speaker 1: but getting that higher draft pick or them establishing themselves,
Speaker 1: this new coaching staff, establishing themselves and establishing the culture
Speaker 1: of this team by winning. Let's start first with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about the Cows, talk about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Correct, Yes, I don't worry about the whole
Speaker 1: culture thing like the Giants. The Giants, I think is
Speaker 1: a little different. Joe Judge is the first time head coach,
Speaker 1: and like the pieces on that team that you're relying
Speaker 1: on have never done it. You know, Daniel Jones is
Speaker 1: obviously a young player, he's never been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I know se Quon's hurt, but the same thing for him.
Speaker 1: You know, they're young defensive players, Like, you're not building
Speaker 1: around a team that has ever succeeded, whereas and I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I can hear people saying the Cowboys haven't
Speaker 1: achieved anything really either, but it is different. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dak is in year five. Dak has been through the wars,
Speaker 1: He's been in the playoffs multiple times. Really, all of
Speaker 1: the important pieces on this team have been to the
Speaker 1: playoffs multiple times, like they know what it means to
Speaker 1: be part of a successful team. Mike McCarthy has obviously
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, so this is not a team
Speaker 1: that is unfamiliar with that feeling. So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't really worry about that much as being able to
Speaker 1: improve the roster so that these good players can do
Speaker 1: that again in the future. Amber, That's a really tough question.
Speaker 1: And for me, it depends one day of the week
Speaker 1: you're asking me this, because during the weekdays, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about the draft, and I'm thinking, Okay, yes, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just get that high draft pick and make some
Speaker 1: better draft choices this upcoming year. But then you ask
Speaker 1: me on game day, am I screw the draft? You know?
Speaker 1: I want them to play good football. I want them
Speaker 1: to win this freaking game, go out there and make
Speaker 1: it exciting. So to me right now, even though I
Speaker 1: get everything that Da've just said and I kind of agree,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, this is a whole new team,
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys. I need to have the
Speaker 1: feeling that they do get that establishing the winning culture
Speaker 1: and the fact that they can actually win a game
Speaker 1: with this coaching put together. Because even if you talk
Speaker 1: about draft high picks next year, what's gonna make me
Speaker 1: have hope that this team can actually utilize that talent
Speaker 1: that they just brought in. So right now, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, I want the good draft and whatever,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I need to see some
Speaker 1: excitement this year the second half of the season. I
Speaker 1: need to feel like this team can actually put together
Speaker 1: a winning game and win some games out there, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, what's good. What's it gonna do bringing
Speaker 1: some great talent if the coaching staff can't put it together.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm kind of in both sides, but
Speaker 1: I would lean towards winning culture a little bit more. Nick.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't I think what when we
Speaker 1: talk about this, we're talking about from a fans perspective,
Speaker 1: media perspective. We're talking, we're talking about like what we
Speaker 1: would prefer to see, because you're really talking about the team,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna go play and win and try to
Speaker 1: win games. I mean, so it's like, I think we
Speaker 1: look at it and go, how do I want to
Speaker 1: watch them win? Or do I want to just have
Speaker 1: a good draft pick. But and that sounds good because
Speaker 1: when you're watching it, you can make that choice. But
Speaker 1: as a team, you just play. You just play the game.
Speaker 1: You just say we're gonna go out and we're gonna
Speaker 1: play the guys that are healthy, and we're gonna go
Speaker 1: out there and play. Because think of it like this,
Speaker 1: like what if they go too and fourteen, and then
Speaker 1: next year they go eight and eight, what's and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's on the hot seat, what's his record going to be?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just gonna be He's gonna say they
Speaker 1: have ten wins, right, ten wins and twenty two losses. Well,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna go back and go, well, hey, they
Speaker 1: really were just tanking. That really doesn't count. No, that
Speaker 1: two and fourteen is gonna stick on his record. He's
Speaker 1: not trying to tank games. He's gonna try to go
Speaker 1: win games. So I think you win games, you do
Speaker 1: the best you can do. And then if you like
Speaker 1: Jerry always says, if you get a high draft pick,
Speaker 1: you earned it and you take it, but you don't
Speaker 1: go play for it. Yeah, and just just bealy. This
Speaker 1: is about fans and media. This is not about the
Speaker 1: team because the expectation is professionals are always going to
Speaker 1: be trying to win. So as what your opinion, Nick,
Speaker 1: as a person that's a bystander that covers this team,
Speaker 1: and let's assume you want this team to do well,
Speaker 1: which do you think is more important? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: I like Amber said, I'd go try to win the game.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's important because I think this roster
Speaker 1: is a good roster when everybody's healthy. If you get
Speaker 1: the fifth, if you get the eighteenth pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: that if that's what happens, if you sneak into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think you're automatically an eighteen. If you get that,
Speaker 1: you know you could get a Layton Vanderish type of player.
Speaker 1: For a roster. I still think that that helps. Is
Speaker 1: it better than a six, five or a third pick? No,
Speaker 1: of course not but once you've established along the way
Speaker 1: to get there, the confidence of that staff, the trust
Speaker 1: they need some trust to. The players need to be
Speaker 1: able to trust the coaches. Coaches trust the players. That
Speaker 1: is not developed right now, and I think that is
Speaker 1: really important for them to do that. Looking at how
Speaker 1: this division is playing out right now, again only separated
Speaker 1: by a game and a half, who do you think
Speaker 1: wins this division? Let's start with you, Amber. I hate
Speaker 1: this question so bad. I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so tough. You know. Regardless
Speaker 1: of all the pain that the Cowboys have put me through,
Speaker 1: in the back of my heart down there, I still
Speaker 1: feel that somehow they're gonna magically start winning games and
Speaker 1: piece some things together to get to the point of
Speaker 1: them winning the division. But based on everything that we've seen,
Speaker 1: it's hard to have that kind of hope. So if
Speaker 1: I had to choose someone that wins the division, I
Speaker 1: am in no way choosing the Eagles. I think that
Speaker 1: the Giants have started putting some things together to where
Speaker 1: I've seen, even when they lose games, I've seen little
Speaker 1: sparks here and there of things that cost it catches
Speaker 1: my attention and leads me to think that, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: they can be a little more successful than what we're
Speaker 1: actually seeing on these games. So maybe right now, I
Speaker 1: hate this question, Derek, don't maybe answer this. This is dumb.
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer it. I don't want to
Speaker 1: answer it. But I just don't know. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: It's up for grabs for any one. The only one
Speaker 1: that I keep down at the bottom would be Washington.
Speaker 1: But I think that anyone in this division can seriously
Speaker 1: take up the lead and win the NFC East. Nick,
Speaker 1: don't make me answer this question, Derek, I don't like
Speaker 1: this question now. I think the Giants actually are in
Speaker 1: pretty good shape, if there is such a thing at
Speaker 1: three and seven, just because they are three and two
Speaker 1: in the NFC East and their two losses are to
Speaker 1: the Eagles in the game that they should have won,
Speaker 1: and probably in a game against the Cowboys where I'm
Speaker 1: sure they feel like they should have won. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think, you know, the Dak getting
Speaker 1: hurt changed everything, But but you know, they could easily
Speaker 1: be five and five right now with a five and
Speaker 1: and o record in the division. So I think that
Speaker 1: they have as good a chance as anyone but I
Speaker 1: could see any of the team's really sneaking in here.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only the reason I don't say Philly
Speaker 1: is that they're The next five or six games are
Speaker 1: very tough m on the schedule, So the Cowboys I
Speaker 1: think might have the best schedule of the group. Yep, Dave,
Speaker 1: I'll answer the question, Derek, I'm not afraid, and I'll
Speaker 1: I'll piss everybody off in the process to know, I
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're gonna say. What am I gonna say?
Speaker 1: You're gonna say the Eagles because they have the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not like you can't you can't defend. Listen, I've
Speaker 1: been I've been bending over backward to make way for
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, to give him the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 1: and it's it just ain't happening at this point. The
Speaker 1: Eagles are our trash. And Nick makes a very good point.
Speaker 1: They've still gotta They've got to play Green Bay, They've
Speaker 1: got to play New Orleans. I think they still have
Speaker 1: Seattle on their schedule. They no the thing I was
Speaker 1: going to say, the Cowboys have the best chance to
Speaker 1: win this division right now. Absolutely they do. And I'm
Speaker 1: saying that knowing that it is insane because you know,
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here for a month and a half saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the East is bad, but these things have
Speaker 1: a way of taking care of themselves. The winner of
Speaker 1: this division's gonna wind up with eight or nine wins.
Speaker 1: That's not happening. That is that is not going to
Speaker 1: happen when you look at what these teams still have left,
Speaker 1: and everybody talks about the Giants. Oh, the Giants are
Speaker 1: kind of putting it together. Do you realize why that is?
Speaker 1: It's because they've got They've gotten to play the NFC
Speaker 1: East in back to back weeks. They got they got
Speaker 1: to win against Washington and awful Philadelphia. They've played five
Speaker 1: of their six division games. They played the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: end the season, so they're they're done. They don't have
Speaker 1: any more lay up games against bad division teams. The
Speaker 1: Giants still have to play Cleveland, Baltimore, Arizona, and Seattle.
Speaker 1: I believe have fun. Yeah, yeah, I think they get
Speaker 1: They get Cincinnati this week, so you know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: a chance for them to get one more win, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough sledding for them the rest of
Speaker 1: the way. Meanwhile, Dallas has three division games. If you go,
Speaker 1: you know, if you win those three games all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, so that gets you to five and seven,
Speaker 1: I believe, and then maybe you just gotta you just gotta.
Speaker 1: You got Cincinnati and you have the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: who are even more banged up than the Cowboys are.
Speaker 1: All they gotta do is like play below five hundred football.
Speaker 1: You know, if they go three and four, if they
Speaker 1: go three and four, or definitely if they go four
Speaker 1: and three, that's probably good enough. So if you're if
Speaker 1: you're making me pick right now, I might have to
Speaker 1: go with the Cowboys. And I hate, I hate saying it,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense. That is exactly the quota of
Speaker 1: what it debate you in two day right there. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what do you want me to say? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's but it's actually true. And that the reason
Speaker 1: why I brought up the question is because I laughed
Speaker 1: in the faces of Isaiah and Barry last week when
Speaker 1: they were talking about it. I'm like, there's no way.
Speaker 1: And then I started looking at the schedule and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, if things happened like they're supposed
Speaker 1: to happen, this weekend, which they did, this thing gets
Speaker 1: really really interesting for the Cowboys all the way out.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think, I think I can
Speaker 1: speak for all of us, you guys correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But over the last two weeks, we've seen
Speaker 1: a Cowboys team play markedly better than they've played before that.
Speaker 1: And so maybe if this defense is starting to get
Speaker 1: a little bit better, and maybe if this offense can
Speaker 1: find just a shred of what it was earlier in
Speaker 1: the season. Now, of course that was with Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: but if they can get to that, and then then
Speaker 1: you look at the schedule and you say there are
Speaker 1: teams that are beatable on this schedule, this could get
Speaker 1: really interesting for the Cowboys down the stretch and certainly
Speaker 1: hurt the hope of the feelings of all those fans
Speaker 1: out there that are hoping this team stays up there
Speaker 1: in the top five as far as NFL draft picks go.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our final break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna have a little fun with Amber.
Speaker 1: Amber has some some questions for us, maybe a game
Speaker 1: or two, I don't know. We'll figure it all out
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Speaker 1: at the Star. This final segment will be Amber segment,
Speaker 1: she has something for us Amber take it away. I'm
Speaker 1: pulling one from Shannon's and Shannon's book and just making
Speaker 1: it up as we go here anymore. In the first question, um,
Speaker 1: we know this has been a crazy season, So I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, guys, what what was a moment
Speaker 1: a specific moment that happened during the season. Could be
Speaker 1: a play, could be an injury, could be a decision
Speaker 1: that the coaching made, or anything like that that you
Speaker 1: were like, oh crap, this is bad. This is not
Speaker 1: looking good, and something aside from Dak's injury, because we
Speaker 1: know how major that was. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think we we all thought that Andy Dalton could
Speaker 1: still take over and help the Cowboys win some games.
Speaker 1: So if you had to pick a moment that you
Speaker 1: saw happening and that made you think, men, this is
Speaker 1: really bad for the Cowboys, what would that be? I
Speaker 1: think I'll start. I think Cleveland. The Cleveland game. At
Speaker 1: that point, you know you're one in two and you
Speaker 1: think we're maybe you can get right and beat Cleveland
Speaker 1: at home. The way they just ran over the team.
Speaker 1: You know, Dak was still there and healthy, and even
Speaker 1: Tyring was playing that game, and the Browns just just
Speaker 1: even lost. They're starting running back and just couldn't stop
Speaker 1: running the football. And I just thought that was a
Speaker 1: sign of this is this is not good because I
Speaker 1: don't think the Browns are that great of a team,
Speaker 1: and they showed it a few weeks later against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: So losing the way they did against the Browns and
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of letting Odell run all over
Speaker 1: them like that, and and the team, I just thought
Speaker 1: that was when it's like, Okay, this maybe this is
Speaker 1: a bad football team. I think that's uh. I think
Speaker 1: that's the right answer, just in terms of like the
Speaker 1: play that we've seen on the field. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, with Mike McCarthy, tried so hard
Speaker 1: to keep everything close to the vest all through training camp,
Speaker 1: and I think up until like a week or so
Speaker 1: before the season, like I've still felt optimistic that Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins would be available at some point during the season,
Speaker 1: and so like week to the combination of him going
Speaker 1: on IR and then Tyron dealing with injuries literally one
Speaker 1: week end of the season, like right like when you
Speaker 1: first started to realize like, oh, they're not gonna have
Speaker 1: either of their tackles for a solid chunk of this season.
Speaker 1: I think even when Dak was healthy and everything, You're
Speaker 1: just like, they're gonna be hard pressed to win as
Speaker 1: many games as I thought they would with those those
Speaker 1: types of injuries. Yeah, Dave, it's interesting because I was
Speaker 1: gonna say it's it's those two things started to make
Speaker 1: me feel a little weird. It wasn't until I heard
Speaker 1: that Tyrone was out for the season that I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the wheels are falling off this thing. Because when you
Speaker 1: think about it from the standpoint of how this team
Speaker 1: was built, this offense was built around an offensive line.
Speaker 1: Whether you're throwing the ball or running the ball, it's
Speaker 1: built around the offensive line. And at that moment, three
Speaker 1: of your top four offensive linemen were now gone. You
Speaker 1: lost Travis Frederick because he retired, and Lyle Collins was
Speaker 1: gone before the season began. And then once they made
Speaker 1: figure out that Tyrone was going to be lost for
Speaker 1: the entire season or for the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: then to me, it was like, I just don't see
Speaker 1: a scenario where with what you're gonna have to patch
Speaker 1: work together on the offensive line, they'll be able to
Speaker 1: do the things that give them success. I thought Dak
Speaker 1: would keep them in games, but once Dak went down
Speaker 1: and obviously then it was just completely like I just
Speaker 1: don't have any any faith that what they like to
Speaker 1: do is going to be good enough. And quite frankly,
Speaker 1: teams like that that are having those kinds of struggles offensively,
Speaker 1: if you can rely on your defense, or if your
Speaker 1: defense can step up a notch and play some really
Speaker 1: outstanding football, it gives you a chance. But they were
Speaker 1: also having issues on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: like major issues, and so once Tyrone was gone for
Speaker 1: the season, that's when I realized that it was really, really,
Speaker 1: they were really in a bad position. Now let's switch
Speaker 1: the question to something positive. What was something that a
Speaker 1: moment or a player coming back or anything that happened
Speaker 1: during the season that made you feel a little hope,
Speaker 1: a sign of hope for the Cowboys this year. I
Speaker 1: don't know about hope. But like, as dumb as it
Speaker 1: sounds in retrospect, I mean, the Atlanta game will stick
Speaker 1: with me forever. Just I mean, I know Atlanta's bad
Speaker 1: and the season is bad, but that was just an
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous game. Um, you know, that's the classic case
Speaker 1: of the game where like we were all starting on
Speaker 1: our stories in the third quarter because it was so
Speaker 1: obvious that the game was over and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it wasn't. And yeah, it didn't wind up
Speaker 1: meaning anything, I guess, but it was still really fun,
Speaker 1: Like that was just a really fun football game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was exactly my answer. I was just gonna say
Speaker 1: that that's a hope for the season, I mean for
Speaker 1: the team and maybe next year. I mean I I'd
Speaker 1: look at it like hope for this year. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know if that what the question actually it was,
Speaker 1: but I'll take it from recently. I think Layton vander
Speaker 1: esh blitzing up the metal and hitting Carson Wentz like
Speaker 1: that showed, you know, the type of play that we've
Speaker 1: been kind of waiting for from him and hopefully he
Speaker 1: can come back. And and it was that kind of game,
Speaker 1: that kind of play against Philly. That's like I thought
Speaker 1: Philly would be the team you'd have to beat to
Speaker 1: win this division, and that still might be the case,
Speaker 1: but I think that they can play with Philly. They
Speaker 1: were very handicapped on a quarterback there they get any
Speaker 1: kind of better play at quarterback, and I think they will.
Speaker 1: I think they could beat Philly or any team. So
Speaker 1: just that kind of play from Layton show individually and
Speaker 1: then also as the team and an aggressive defense actually
Speaker 1: getting a turnover, like a real turnover. I thought that
Speaker 1: was some kind of hope. They didn't win the game,
Speaker 1: but I think that they showed that they can they
Speaker 1: can compete in this division if they want to win it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I actually agree with Dave on
Speaker 1: the on the Atlanta game because at the time when
Speaker 1: it happened, I looked at that and say, like, those
Speaker 1: are the kind of moments at some times you see
Speaker 1: these really really great seasons that teams have. They get
Speaker 1: sparked by this moment that was very improbable, and then
Speaker 1: they kind of get on this run. So I was
Speaker 1: looking at it like, Okay, maybe now is when this
Speaker 1: offense is going to really start to click. Maybe now
Speaker 1: is when this defense will start to play better and
Speaker 1: they'll get on a run. Obviously we know the next
Speaker 1: week they did not, but that that was the moment,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Ellen. If that's the moment y'all
Speaker 1: have hope? Are y'all saying at this point now that
Speaker 1: you know are you're saying you have absolutely no hope
Speaker 1: for this team. This team is hopeless. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: that was the moment they gave you hope and then
Speaker 1: it didn't do all those things you were hoping to do,
Speaker 1: so that means, yeah, they're hopeless. Yeah. The only hope
Speaker 1: they got right now is that the rest of the
Speaker 1: division will be so bad that they will squeak into
Speaker 1: the playoffs and then they will get a prompt exit
Speaker 1: in the first round. I don't think they have the players.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the players to be able
Speaker 1: to completely compete with those playoff teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right in the NFC. I think that maybe they can
Speaker 1: win the NFC. E's just because the things we talked about.
Speaker 1: I just don't think they have the players right now
Speaker 1: because a lot of their great players are not available
Speaker 1: to them. But I will throw out one other thing
Speaker 1: that I think, and these have been random moments throughout
Speaker 1: the season that you combine them all together should give
Speaker 1: fans some hope. Is you look at this last draft
Speaker 1: and there have been four players from that draft that
Speaker 1: at different moments this year you thought, huh, this guy's
Speaker 1: playing pretty well as a rookie you look at Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: you look at Treyvon Diggs, you look at Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 1: Even be honest, I just saw an article that said
Speaker 1: that he's ranked among one of the best rookies by
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. They do like a mid season all
Speaker 1: pro team, and he was on the all Rookie team
Speaker 1: as a you know, one of their designated players. And
Speaker 1: so I look at that, and that gives me some
Speaker 1: hope for the future that at least you look at
Speaker 1: this draft class and you say, there are flashes coming
Speaker 1: from this draft class that if they keep developing these guys,
Speaker 1: they're not there yet. But if you keep developing these guys,
Speaker 1: you might have hit on at least four of the
Speaker 1: players that you had in the draft that might turn
Speaker 1: out to be pretty good players for you down the road. Now,
Speaker 1: imagine if you get to add like four or more
Speaker 1: of those guys who were all taken at the top
Speaker 1: of their respective rounds, right you know, right then you
Speaker 1: then you're working with something, especially if they're on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, which I think Nick made
Speaker 1: a really good point earlier in the show, which is like,
Speaker 1: it's it's not my job or my responsibility to care
Speaker 1: where they go from here, Like, if they don't win
Speaker 1: another game, I'll cover the whole thing. If they win
Speaker 1: the division, I'll cover the whole thing. Like that's I
Speaker 1: don't have to have a preference. But I understand the
Speaker 1: appeal of people who are looking towards the draft, Like
Speaker 1: I understand it absolutely. It'll be interesting to see which
Speaker 1: way it goes. Yeah, I understand it too. I definitely
Speaker 1: understand it, and it sounds you know, way better. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to play it out
Speaker 1: and see because, as you know, part of trying to
Speaker 1: develop those young guys and develop a culture and all
Speaker 1: that is going out and try to win the game,
Speaker 1: you know, and win. I could see where the argument
Speaker 1: would be about Eric Gilbert and Andy Dalton though it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you try to play Gilbert because he might
Speaker 1: be a better future guy for you for our backup
Speaker 1: than Andy Dalton. But I think if this divisions for
Speaker 1: the take, and I think you owe it to everybody,
Speaker 1: your veterans, your young guys, you owe it's everyone to
Speaker 1: try to go out and win. Yeah, and I will
Speaker 1: say this to Nick. I mean, we had a whole
Speaker 1: different opinion of Jason Garrett when he came in as
Speaker 1: an interim and he got this team five wins down
Speaker 1: the stretch. They went five and three down the stretch.
Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about a coach in the situation.
Speaker 1: And I would assume I wasn't in the locker room,
Speaker 1: but I would assume those players had a little different
Speaker 1: perspective of him as well. Whatever the perspective was before,
Speaker 1: they probably respected him in a little different way to
Speaker 1: get their team into a position to be able to
Speaker 1: take a team that was one and seven to be
Speaker 1: in five and three down the stretch. I think that
Speaker 1: has a way of building the right kind of culture
Speaker 1: and getting players to buy into the fact that this
Speaker 1: guy knows what he's doing. If we can trust him,
Speaker 1: we might be able to do some good things. It
Speaker 1: was so ironic because that's what happened when they needed
Speaker 1: a new voice from Wade Phillips. It just wasn't working,
Speaker 1: and Garrett came in and gave them a spark, a
Speaker 1: new voice. And then the ironic part is ten years later,
Speaker 1: you know they're doing okay average, but this team just
Speaker 1: needed a new voice, and so they decided to go
Speaker 1: and make a change. But right now that voice isn't
Speaker 1: isn't helping them. I mean, Mike McCarthy and the staff
Speaker 1: that they're they're not all the experience and all that.
Speaker 1: This team isn't help now that they're getting a ton
Speaker 1: of injuries and all that. It's hard to really say
Speaker 1: what McCarthy's doing. But but this new voice hasn't certainly
Speaker 1: hasn't turned the page, and the Cowboys are better because
Speaker 1: of it, not yet at least, So that's a rap.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is those other questions that you
Speaker 1: had Amber saved those, We'll get into those times. A Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of questions that fans send in
Speaker 1: and we'll save them for the week, maybe once every
Speaker 1: day because you always say, oh, we'll have time for
Speaker 1: paying questions and then we never do. But that's okay,
Speaker 1: I'll keep them in the can. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you this, it's been over a week since our last game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have plenty of time time for fan questions Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We will have plenty of time unless Mike McCarthy breaks
Speaker 1: some really really outstanding news this afternoon in his press conference.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a lot of time for
Speaker 1: fan questions. Tomorrow. All right, we appreciate you guys, Joan Us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. Till then for Nick Even Eatman,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been
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