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Speaker 2: And Hi again everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Bally Bett,

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Speaker 3: in Ohio. I'm Jason Gibbs. No Bo Bishop, he's on assignment.

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Speaker 3: No Nathan Zegura, He's on assignment, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think I might have to go pick him up

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Speaker 3: at the airport later today.

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Speaker 4: He should be on his way now. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Great, perfect Yours truly with you till three o'clock today.

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Speaker 3: Also Uno manning the controls. He'll contribute. Nick Paulis is

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Speaker 3: on his own eight to fifty ESPN Cleveland Marathon. He

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Speaker 3: will join us throughout the show. Nick Shook, friend of

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Speaker 3: the program, great friend of the program from NFL dot

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Speaker 3: Com and the NFL Network, will join us. Yellowstone is

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Speaker 3: spinning the dials. He's got like creative documents and things

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Speaker 3: or maybe things that I can only see. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We really didn't discuss that, but Yellowstone's been hard at

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Speaker 3: today's show. So Nick Shuk will join us at two thirty,

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Speaker 3: coming up at two o'clock a little higher or lower

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Speaker 3: and at one forty today Nathan Sigurd did give us

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Speaker 3: our position reviews continue with a look at the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: interior line, the tackle position, and also the coaching changes.

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Speaker 3: You just heard Tony Grossi before the start of this

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Speaker 3: on March fifth, clubs may designate franchise or transition players.

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Speaker 3: For the third straight off season, Jeremiah a Wusu Cora

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Speaker 3: not gonna play. So I say, thing, sign him. See

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Speaker 3: if you can get a two year deal. Figure out,

440
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Speaker 3: like you need weapons, that's what you need. The more

441
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Speaker 3: weapons you have, the better. And this guy's he's gonna rebound,

442
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Speaker 3: He's gonna have a really good year again, let's hope not.

443
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Speaker 3: But something tells me he's probably going to who know.

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Speaker 2: Got oh, go ahead, Paul.

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Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, and not only you know,

446
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Speaker 7: do you need to resign him? But they are going

447
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Speaker 7: to be losing Tyler Boyd and it sounds like Joe

448
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 7: Mixon is not going to be there as well. So

449
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 7: you absolutely need to get you know, as many playmakers

450
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Speaker 7: there as possible. Twenty million dollars might you know, just

451
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Speaker 7: be h you know, just might be the cause of it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would say thing, especially if it's only twenty

453
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Speaker 4: million for one season. You haven't paid Jamar Chase yet,

454
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Speaker 4: you haven't paid some of these young guys outside of

455
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Speaker 4: Burrow yet. So this is the time where you can,

456
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Speaker 4: like you can survive paying twenty million dollars for t

457
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Speaker 4: Higgins and then next year if the extensions come in

458
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Speaker 4: and you have to let him go, that's the tougher decision.

459
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Speaker 4: But I think for right now, this twenty million is

460
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Speaker 4: perfectly worth it for the Bengals. Next, the Steelers don't

461
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Speaker 4: have one. They don't have really any free agents that

462
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Speaker 4: are worth it. Their biggest one is like Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 4: It would be a little funny if they tagged him,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think they will.

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Speaker 2: All right, so.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they don't have anybody. They don't have anybody. The

467
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Speaker 3: Pukers don't have anybody. I found this interesting for both

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Speaker 3: of you. This is from Peter King's Football Morning in America.

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Speaker 3: My good friend Jerry Dulik from Pittsburgh, who is one

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Speaker 3: of the longtime reporters there, one of the few people

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Speaker 3: I like in Puker Land. But he is great. He's

472
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Speaker 3: a good human being. He's an average golfer at best.

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Speaker 3: And you could tell him that. I said that. I'm

474
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Speaker 3: sure Grossie's listening and texting him right now. Reported the

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Speaker 3: other day the Steelers are quote not interested in bringing

476
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Speaker 3: in a quarterback who wants to be a starter end quote,

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Speaker 3: Peter kink says, come again. In a division with Joe Burrow,

478
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson, the Steelers would actually choose

479
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Speaker 3: to enter camp with Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph. Should

480
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Speaker 3: he sign a free agency with Pittsburgh. That sounds like

481
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Speaker 3: a colossal misjudgment of your quarterback position. Fine, great, be

482
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Speaker 3: my guest, sign me up for that. Yep, exactly. Don't

483
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Speaker 3: go get Fields? Fine, all good? Let him go to

484
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Speaker 3: the NFC. Let him stay in the NFC.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like they were in the market

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Speaker 4: for fields at some point, and I'd much rather them

487
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Speaker 4: have Rudolph and Pickett competing than anything close to justin field. Correct,

488
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo, you can have him too, Like.

489
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to him, but Fields.

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Speaker 4: Is fine with me.

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Speaker 7: Honest, I'll let him have Jimmy too, That's fine.

492
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Speaker 2: Break him in half, we'll be fine. Perfect.

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Speaker 4: Next we'll go to the NFC and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 4: I found this one interesting because I haven't heard much

495
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Speaker 4: about him being tagged. It's their wide receiver, Mike Evans.

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Speaker 3: Uh Paulus.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I think Mike Evans should be their franchise

498
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Speaker 7: tagged player. I know that everyone goes to the well

499
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Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield. You know, it's what thirty five million dollars

500
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Speaker 7: maybe a prove it deal. I think he proved it

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Speaker 7: this year for them that he's probably the right guy

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Speaker 7: to lead that franchise going forward. However, you need to

503
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Speaker 7: load him up. How many times whenever Baker was here,

504
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 7: how many times do we say everything needs to You

505
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 7: have to have the perfect scenario, you have to have

506
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Speaker 7: the perfect setup. The perfect setup is Mike Evans. Mike

507
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Speaker 7: Evans is a thousand yards every single year of his career.

508
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Speaker 7: He's the only player in NFL history to have ten

509
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Speaker 7: straight to start his career with that. The man is

510
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Speaker 7: unbelievable in that Buccaneers uniform. If they let him go

511
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Speaker 7: to anywhere else, they're only shooting themselves in the foot.

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Speaker 3: He's thirty years old. It's not like he's he's at

513
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Speaker 3: the end of his rope.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, he's still got at least a couple of

515
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 7: years left. So you figure, if it is just the

516
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 7: one year, maybe you'll see what happens after this year.

517
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Speaker 7: But you can't let him walk out that door, So

518
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Speaker 7: I think you probably need to franchise tag him.

519
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Speaker 3: Evans with seventy nine catches for over twelve hundred yards

520
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 3: thirteen touchdowns at the age of thirty, his cap number

521
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: is twenty three point seven. To franchise him. Yeah, to

522
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Speaker 3: franchise him actually saves you three million dollars.

523
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Speaker 2: Just makes sense. This is a no brainer.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, if I'm Tampa Bay, whatever I

525
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: have to do to keep him on the football, Like

526
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Speaker 3: Mike Evans has won a Super Bowl, He's already won one.

527
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: So like he's already the guy, You've got everything, Pay

528
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Speaker 3: him what he wants, let him finish out his career

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Speaker 3: as a Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It makes all the sense

530
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Speaker 3: in the world. This is a no brainer. If you

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Speaker 3: got to franchise it, to just extend it so you

532
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: can figure out the deal. Fine. By the way, the

533
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: whole Baker Mayfield contract thing, there is something I think

534
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: that's worth watching. He had some pointed comments on Super

535
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Speaker 3: Bowl Radio. Row Baker being Baker had some comments that

536
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Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe Tampa hasn't gotten with him yet or

537
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: made him the offer that he thinks is fair given

538
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: the year that he had. Maybe it's not awful to

539
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: get a deal similar to what Gino Smith had, you

540
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: know that thirty to thirty five million.

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Speaker 4: He also seemed to be very adamant on Evans coming

542
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Speaker 4: back and Rashad White and all these guys that were

543
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Speaker 4: in his offense not leaving, because it sounded like Evans

544
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Speaker 4: and Baker actually had really good chemistry. Both of them

545
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Speaker 4: mentioned how it was there. So if you're going to

546
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Speaker 4: franchise tag Evans, that opens it up for Baker to

547
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Speaker 4: come back.

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Speaker 6: Next.

549
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Speaker 4: The NFC will continue on with them. It's Saquon Barkley

550
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Speaker 4: and the Giants. This would be his second year in

551
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: a row getting the TAG, so we'd get a little

552
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Speaker 4: bit of a pay raise as well.

553
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Speaker 3: Not a thing, No, no, how many more times do

554
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Speaker 3: you want to say, I don't know, nine hundred and

555
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: sixty two yards, six touchdowns, three point nine yards of carry.

556
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Speaker 3: I get that it was one of it was not

557
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: a good offensive line. Barkley would get a raise from

558
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: ten million and change to eleven point three, which the

559
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Speaker 3: Giants can afford with a nineteen and a half million

560
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Speaker 3: dollar cap space. I don't no, I don't look, this

561
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Speaker 3: is what we're paying you. If not we're going to

562
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: go get another running back because that's what we can

563
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Speaker 3: do in the National Football League. Paulus.

564
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think not a thing as well. And it's

565
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 7: it sucks for Giants fans because he is the heart

566
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 7: and soul of that entire squad. But the issue is

567
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 7: is that the guys only averaging three point nine yards

568
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 7: of carry you know behind Again, it is one of

569
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 7: the worst offensive lines out there, no doubt about that.

570
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 7: But he needs more help and they, frankly need more help.

571
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Speaker 7: And I figure you could probably get better offensive lineman

572
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 7: with that money, So why waste half of your available

573
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 7: cap space on a running back?

574
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Speaker 2: That's where we're at.

575
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Speaker 7: And it sucks for you know, again, it sucks for

576
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 7: Giants fans, but we're not Giants fans. We can see

577
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 7: this without the blue shaded glasses.

578
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: Sake. One's gotta go. I'm sorry, it has to.

579
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it sucks for fans of the running back

580
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: position because the running back positions essentially been devalued.

581
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, football league.

582
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: So it's you know, can you go get a guy

583
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: in the second or third round, have him on a

584
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: rookie deal for four years, have him have the same

585
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: success if not more. Maybe I'm not saying that he's

586
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: going to be as good, but if he is, it's

587
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: on a rookie deal for four years, like it's as

588
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: opposed to eleven million. I don't know if Saquon's gonna

589
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: accept another year of being franchise tag. That's the other thing.

590
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he's got any leverage, but that almost

591
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: didn't stop him last year from holding out.

592
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and we also have to you know, just look

593
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 7: at the numbers that he's producing right now. It's because

594
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 7: he's dealing with a lot of injuries, and you know,

595
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 7: he misses a lot of time due to that. But

596
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 7: just and I really like Jerome Ford, I really do,

597
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 7: But look at his numbers and compare him to Saquon Barkley's,

598
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Speaker 7: and look at the price difference that you're dealing with

599
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Speaker 7: Jerome to Saquon Barkley. It's crazy you put Jerome in

600
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Speaker 7: that system. He's probably gonna get you close to the

601
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 7: same amount of yardage as what Barkley did, So why

602
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 7: would you even want to pay him eleven million dollars?

603
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: I think that's crazy?

604
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: Who know, Yeah, I think Paulus made the good point

605
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: too about like there's just so many other holes on

606
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: this offense. I mean, I think that they need a

607
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: wide receiver to fill there. Evan Neil has not developed

608
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: at left tackle very well. So don't spend eleven million

609
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: on one player when you could spend you do the

610
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: moneyball thing. You replace him with four other guys that

611
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: are going to be able to be paid that instead

612
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 4: of just the one running back, and then you can

613
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: find a running back in the bargain bin anywhere. I mean,

614
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: this happens every year. We have guys that come out

615
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: of nowhere and play really well for teams. So I

616
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: think the Giants need to move on from Saquan unfortunately.

617
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Speaker 3: And again we're doing this thing or not a thing

618
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Speaker 3: right now cbssports dot com. Today is the first day

619
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Speaker 3: the teams can apply that franchise tag to players, and

620
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Speaker 3: that goes through four o'clock on March the fifth. They

621
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Speaker 3: can designate franchise or transition tag players.

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Speaker 2: We'll go one more.

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Speaker 4: Who know, the only quarterback on this list is Kirk Cousins,

624
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: and it's to the Minnesota Vikings then bringing him back

625
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 4: for yet another season.

626
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Speaker 7: Paulus Justin Jefferson likes him, so you got to right

627
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 7: that's kind of where we're at now. Thirty five million

628
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 7: dollars is, you know, a lot of money for a

629
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Speaker 7: quarterback that's coming off of an achilles injury. There's no

630
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 7: doubt about that. But you got to do what Justin

631
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Speaker 7: Jefferson wants to do. I'm sorry, that's just what needs

632
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 7: to happen. So if he wants Kirk Cousins there, if

633
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 7: that means that you have to franchise, tag him for

634
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Speaker 7: a year and maybe draft someone because I don't think

635
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 7: that they're going to trade up and get you know,

636
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 7: any of the star quarterbacks of this draft. You can

637
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 7: get a quarterback in the second round, develop him, and

638
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 7: get the rapport with Justin Jefferson and that quarterback going forward.

639
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 7: That's the ideal thing to do. So, yeah, tag Kirk

640
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 7: for the one year.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, Paulus, I'll start with you. Career earnings in

642
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: twelve seasons in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, it's got to be over two hundred.

644
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 7: I'll go to twenty.

645
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 8: Who know, two seventy five, two hundred and thirty one

646
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 8: million dollars six hundred and sixty nine thousand in careers.

647
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Speaker 2: And he's lived off the franchise tag.

648
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Speaker 7: I was just gonna say that he lived off that

649
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 7: franchise tag so long, especially in Washington, and then three

650
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 7: years in a row.

651
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, and nobody does that. Who would be crazy

652
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: enough to do that? Washington? That's who? I mean? I

653
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: don't who are you going to get out there?

654
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Speaker 3: That's better nobody? That's that becomes the bigger question at

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Speaker 3: this point. That's uh, I just I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: don't know who you're gonna get. You're probably better off

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Speaker 3: bringing him in for thirty five thirty six million. That's

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Speaker 3: just a lot of money for a team that I

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Speaker 3: don't know what direction they're going in.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're bad, but I don't know that

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Speaker 4: they're good either. But I think Kirk Cousins at least

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Speaker 4: accelerates you to the point where, if you know, with

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Speaker 4: the way that the NFC is, you could probably make

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Speaker 4: the playoffs with him as your starting quarterback next year.

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Speaker 4: You could get a guy young and develop him. He

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Speaker 4: is thirty five, so you're going to have to move

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Speaker 4: on eventually. Why not ride it out with Kirk? Try

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Speaker 4: and go make the playoffs and see what happens. I say,

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Speaker 4: you do it, all right?

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Speaker 3: I guess, and then you got to do whatever you

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Speaker 3: can to get Justin Jefferson under contract. That should be

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Speaker 3: your most important thing.

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Speaker 4: He's going to get close to what Kirk's getting. So

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Speaker 4: that's where he becomes tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know a lot to know, a lot to

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Speaker 3: see Again, it all gets going starting today, players can

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Speaker 3: be franchise tagged or transition tagged. Comby next week a

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Speaker 3: week where it's a little quiet, and then that Monday,

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Speaker 3: March eleventh, legal tampering can begin at twelve o'clock. That

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Speaker 3: goes through four o'clock on Wednesday the thirteenth, when free

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Speaker 3: agency officially starts in the new calendar year in the

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Speaker 3: National Football League. Immensis all right, Paulus, great job, Uno

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Speaker 3: outstanding other than Metabuke. We'll take a quick time out

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Speaker 3: when we come back. Our position reviews from the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three to twenty four season continue. Nathan Zigera gives

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Speaker 3: us a few minutes of his time before he went

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Speaker 3: on assignment, breaking down the interior line, the tackles, and

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Speaker 3: of course the coaches within that room as well. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna really like what you hear coming up. You're listening

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Speaker 9: Welcome back to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by

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Speaker 9: Live in Ohio. We continue our position review series with

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Speaker 9: a look at the Browns offensive line, and it was

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Speaker 9: an unit that, boy, it was stood quite a few injuries,

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Speaker 9: really down to your fourth and fifth tackles. By the

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Speaker 9: end of the season, you could make case it was

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Speaker 9: really your fifth and six tackles because I think some

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Speaker 9: people forget about Tyan Seki who was on the team

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Speaker 9: and got hurt immediately after going into a game. So

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Speaker 9: this was an offensive line that battled and it gave

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Speaker 9: you some good production. Still, it gave you what you needed.

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Speaker 9: You had two Pro bowlers on the line, your two guards,

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Speaker 9: Joel Botonio and of course Wyatt Teller. But there's turnover

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Speaker 9: and turnover is coming because not only are there some

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Speaker 9: players on the offensive line a year ago who may

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Speaker 9: or may not be back. There's a new coaching staff

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Speaker 9: in that room, and I think that's the biggest thing

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Speaker 9: that we can talk about. And we're going to start

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Speaker 9: right there, because Bill Callahan is regarded as the best

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Speaker 9: offensive line coach in the National Football League. And Bill

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Speaker 9: Callahan decided and you can't blame him. It's a once

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Speaker 9: in a lifetime opportunity. Of course you've got to go

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Speaker 9: do it, but to join his son, Brian, who was

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Speaker 9: named the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. So Bill

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Speaker 9: Callahan he went there to be the offensive line coach

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Speaker 9: for his son, and so the Browns had an opening.

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Speaker 9: So let's just start right there. You'll lose Bill Callahan,

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Speaker 9: of course, it is massive. You want he is in

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Speaker 9: some ways irreplaceable. But at the same time, if at

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Speaker 9: the end of the season we look back at the

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Speaker 9: offensive line coach being the difference between winning and or

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Speaker 9: losing the Super Bowl, then I think there were a

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Speaker 9: lot of things that maybe didn't go our way because

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Speaker 9: you need it's this is about the quarterback first and foremost.

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Speaker 9: We've talked about that this offense, Gelling and Bill Callahan,

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Speaker 9: he is the best, but the Browns went out and

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Speaker 9: got somebody that they think can be one of the

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Speaker 9: fastest rising stars in this profession, and that's Andy Dickerson.

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Speaker 9: And Andy Dickerson had been with the Browns back in

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Speaker 9: two thousand and nine and twenty ten. He was he

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Speaker 9: assistant offensive line coach. The Hoff remembered working with him

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Speaker 9: under George Warhaw. He's in his nineteenth season in the

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Speaker 9: NFLS after spending the past three seasons with Seattle, first

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Speaker 9: as a run game coordinator in twenty twenty one and

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Speaker 9: then as the offensive line coach for twenty two to

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Speaker 9: twenty three. He served as the assistant offensive line coach

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Speaker 9: with the Rams and Sean McVay twenty twelve to twenty twenty,

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Speaker 9: where he helped shape some of the league's top offensive units.

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Speaker 9: So he has been very successful. And Kevin Stefanski when

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Speaker 9: the Browns brought Andy Dickerson in said quote, we were

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Speaker 9: all impressed with Andy long with his background and knowledge

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Speaker 9: when we first met about our offensive coordinator position. When

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Speaker 9: our offensive line position opened up, he was among the

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Speaker 9: first calls I made. Andy loves teaching and will bring

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Speaker 9: a passion and energy that will greatly benefit our lineman.

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Speaker 9: He understands the high centered that our room must have

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Speaker 9: in order for our offense to be successful. And we

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Speaker 9: know he's excited about being back in the building with

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Speaker 9: this organization. So it is going to be Andy Dickerson's

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Speaker 9: room in twenty twenty four. Joining him also will be

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Speaker 9: Roy Istvan, the assistant offensive line coach. He's got thirty

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Speaker 9: three years of coaching experience on the college and pro level,

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Speaker 9: spending the past five seasons as an assistant offensive line

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Speaker 9: coach in Philadelphia with the Eagles, And obviously we know

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Speaker 9: about that Browns Andrew Berry Philadelphia pipeline, so obviously he

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Speaker 9: has been very well regarded. And so that's your new look,

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Speaker 9: Dickerson and Istvan in that offensive line room. On the field,

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Speaker 9: let's see what that looks like. But let's take a

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Speaker 9: look back quickly. In the tackle room. You started the

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Speaker 9: season with Jed Wills and Jack Conklin. James Hudson and

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Speaker 9: Dewan Jones were your backups. Well Week one, Jack Conklin

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Speaker 9: lost for the season against Cincinnati. Later in the season,

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Speaker 9: Jed Wills lost for the year. Dewan Jones had to

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Speaker 9: fill in for Jack Conklin immediately and was on the

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Speaker 9: way to being perhaps not only a Pro Bowler, but

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Speaker 9: even a first team All Pro. That's how good he

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Speaker 9: was at the right tackle position. He ultimately ended up

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Speaker 9: being lost for the season, and so in the playoffs

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Speaker 9: the Browns were starting James Hudson at right tackle and

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Speaker 9: Jaren Christian at left tackle. And Jared Christian was a

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Speaker 9: guy that started the season with the Houston Texans. The

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Speaker 9: Browns picked him up. Callahan had some familiarity with him

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Speaker 9: from Washington and came in and gave you serviceable reps.

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Speaker 9: But when you have a season in which your top

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Speaker 9: three tackles play, in Jack Conklin's case, one game, Jed

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Speaker 9: Wills's case, eight games, Dewan Jones case nine starts alone,

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Speaker 9: seven games, that's going to be a problem. And so

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Speaker 9: getting that unit healthy that is going to be job

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Speaker 9: number one. Jack Conklin is a two time first team

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Speaker 9: All Pro, most recently twenty twenty, his first season with

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Speaker 9: the Cleveland Browns. But his games have been fifteen games

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Speaker 9: in twenty twenty, first seam Mall Pro, then seven games,

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Speaker 9: then fourteen games, then one game. And so you look

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Speaker 9: at this and you say yourself, Okay, you got Conklin,

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Speaker 9: who signed a contract extension. He's getting pretty good money.

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Speaker 9: You've got Jed Wills, who they picked up his fifty

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Speaker 9: year option. He's slated to make fourteen point six million

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Speaker 9: dollars this year. Jed Wills hasn't become the star you'd

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Speaker 9: hoped when you drafted him tenth overall. This is a

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Speaker 9: make or break year for him in that sense, not

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Speaker 9: only for his time with the Browns, but probably for

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Speaker 9: what his financial future looks like. A monster season for

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Speaker 9: him will mean a monster payday. If not, we will see.

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Speaker 9: And then there's Dewan Jones, Big Thanos, the Browns rookie

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Speaker 9: fourth rounder, who if you were redrafting the twenty twenty

801
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Speaker 9: three NFL draft today, he'd be a top ten pick,

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Speaker 9: might even be a top five pick. He'd be the

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Speaker 9: first tackle off the board. Potentially. He was good. He

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Speaker 9: was everything that you could have hoped he would be.

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Speaker 9: And then he was more than that. He was stifling

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Speaker 9: and he had to face Bosa, he had to face

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Speaker 9: what and he held all of them or kept them

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Speaker 9: away from the quarterback. Wasn't given up pressures for a while.

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Speaker 9: He had the most pass blocking snaps in the league

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Speaker 9: without giving up a sack. So Dwan Jones had an

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Speaker 9: incredible rookie season for the Cleveland Browns, and it feels

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Speaker 9: to me like you could make the case that Dewan

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Speaker 9: Jones might be the best tackle on this football team.

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Speaker 9: And so how does this ultimately look for the Browns

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Speaker 9: when you look at you know, in terms of blocking grades,

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Speaker 9: he was right at the top for this Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 9: football team. He and Jack Conklin were the top two

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Speaker 9: at the tackle position. And so you said to yourself, Okay,

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Speaker 9: what's this going to look like? Dwan Jones on one side?

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Speaker 9: I think for sure? Do you try Juan Jones at

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Speaker 9: left tackle? Do you try to move Jed Wills into

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Speaker 9: the interior ultimately or is he a swing tackle? Or

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Speaker 9: is Jack Conklin become your swing tackling you move Jed

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Speaker 9: Wills back to the right side, do you keep Jed

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Speaker 9: Wills on the left? Do you go with on the

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Speaker 9: right side Dwan Jones. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 9: moving parts just in that tackle room. You've got James

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Speaker 9: Hudson still on his rookie deal. He can play both

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Speaker 9: sides for you and is a good extra blocker. Leroy

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Speaker 9: Watson with somebody the Browns got late in the season

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Speaker 9: off the Niners practice squad. He was on the active

832
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Speaker 9: Rochester a former tight end, good feet. They like him

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Speaker 9: as a developmental project as well. And so when you

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Speaker 9: look at this tackle group, I think it's a big question,

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Speaker 9: what's it gonna look like. Who are the two starters?

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Speaker 9: Who are the two people that are slated to go

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Speaker 9: from day one? And I don't know the answer to that,

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Speaker 9: because I think there could be some moving parts. The

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Speaker 9: Browns are gonna face some salary cap realities and as

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Speaker 9: we go from the outside of the line to the interior,

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Speaker 9: where you are as solid as can be with Joel Botonio,

842
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Speaker 9: the six straight Pro Bowls, five time All Pro, two

843
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Speaker 9: time First Team, three times second Team, Wyatt Teller, three

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Speaker 9: straight Pro Bowls. Ethan Posk probably should have been to

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Speaker 9: a couple of Pro Bowls. He have only one sack

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Speaker 9: last year, only one sack all season long. He was phenomenal.

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Speaker 9: Those three are all paid, and can you pay three

848
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Speaker 9: interior offensive lineman forever? I don't know the answer to that,

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Speaker 9: and so I think they are gonna be perhaps some

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Speaker 9: tough decisions there with Botonio, with Teller, and of course

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Speaker 9: with Ethan Posik. The Browns also have Luke Whippler, who

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Speaker 9: they drafted in the sixth round a year ago, and

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Speaker 9: then pending free agents Michael Dunn, who's been kind of

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00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 9: that swing guard for them, and then Nick Harris, who

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Speaker 9: is the backup center, goal line, fullback, all of it

856
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 9: last year and a great football player and somebody that

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Speaker 9: Browns love, so I know they would love to have

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Speaker 9: him back. What's this room gonna look like? We know again,

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Speaker 9: who the top four tackles will be. We really probably

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Speaker 9: know who the top five tackles are gonna be, with

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Speaker 9: le Roy Watson being the fifth. We know who your

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Speaker 9: top three on the interior are. And you've got at

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Speaker 9: least one backup Whipler still that they can play guard

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Speaker 9: and center, and you'll probably add to that room, whether

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Speaker 9: it's bringing back Dunn and Harris or making an addition

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Speaker 9: in the draft or free agency. So I think there

867
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 9: are some big questions. Can the Browns continue to pay

868
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 9: Jack Conklin, Jed Wills, Wyatt, Teller, Joel Botonio and Ethan

869
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 9: Posk And if the answer to that is yes, which

870
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 9: is a good thing. What does it look like you

871
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 9: have three tackles for two spots. Can you have ten

872
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 9: less million dollar guards? These are very tough decisions, and

873
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 9: I think some tough decisions are going to have to

874
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 9: happen here in the offensive line room.

875
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 2: Now.

876
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 9: The flip side of that is, you want as much

877
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 9: depth as you can possibly have in this room. You

878
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 9: need to have depth in this room. You saw it

879
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 9: this year. You're down to your fifth and six tackles

880
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 9: or fourth and fifth tackles. However, you want to look

881
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 9: at it. At times you were without guys on the

882
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 9: interior of your offensive line, and so you need to

883
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 9: be able to see what that looks like. Figure that

884
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 9: out and how you're going to balance the depth, how

885
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 9: you're going to balance the talent, and then how you're

886
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 9: going to balance the salary, because that is I think

887
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 9: one of the big things to look at here with

888
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 9: this Cleveland Browns team. How are you going to balance

889
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 9: the salaries across this offensive line? Because when you look

890
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 9: at it, when you look at just the raw numbers,

891
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 9: they're very interesting for the Cleveland Browns and the amount

892
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 9: that could be invested in this offensive line as we

893
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 9: go through. This is courtesy of overthecap dot Com. Right

894
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 9: now is you're looking at the twenty twenty four season.

895
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 9: Jed Wills is due about fourteen point six against the CAP,

896
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 9: Joel Botonio twelve against the CAP, Conklin twelve against the CAP,

897
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 9: Wyatt Teller eleven point six against the Cap, and then

898
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 9: Ethan Posik down at about four million. So he's probably

899
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 9: he's in a good spot. But you've got four offensive

900
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 9: linemen all making between eleven point six and fourteen point

901
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 9: six million dollars this year. Not to mention, we didn't

902
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 9: say Dwan Jones's name in that group, and he might

903
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 9: be the best of the tackles at this point.

904
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: So I think that is.

905
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 9: What Andrew Berry and his team and his staff they

906
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 9: are going to have to contend with, What does this

907
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 9: offensive line look like? Do we have to part with

908
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 9: a very familiar name and productive name in order to

909
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 9: have the room to do the other things on this roster?

910
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 9: Certainly we all hope not, because I love this offensive line,

911
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 9: and I think when you lose a Bill Callahan, keeping

912
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 9: that talent in place is going to be your best

913
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 9: chance to keep that elite level of play in place.

914
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 9: Hopefully this team this can stay healthy in this tackle room.

915
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 9: So I think that is a big, big deal. So

916
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 9: it was improving the depth of this room one of

917
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 9: the five biggest needs for the Browns of so offseason.

918
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

919
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 9: I mean, I think you've got incredible depth. You've got

920
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 9: three starting tackles, if not four, you know, but three

921
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 9: people who have at various points in their careers played

922
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 9: at high levels in Will's Conklin and then Dwan Jones.

923
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 9: You've got the best interior offensive line in terms of

924
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 9: Teller Posk and Beotonio. And you've got some good depth there.

925
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 9: Potentially if you're with Luke Whipler, if you're able to

926
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 9: bring back a Nick Harris, if you're able to bring

927
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 9: back to Michael Dunn, if Drew Forbes can stay healthy,

928
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 9: guy who had played very well for this football team

929
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 9: in the past. So I don't think it's a top

930
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 9: five priority. I think understanding a top five priority of

931
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 9: this offseason for Andrew Barry though, is going to be

932
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 9: understanding this offensive line, understanding the salaries associated with it,

933
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 9: and understanding where that figures fits into the big pitcher.

934
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 9: So remember I said you had four line and making

935
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 9: between eleven point six and fourteen point six. Those linemen

936
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 9: are four of your top ten contracts period. That's unheard of.

937
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 9: So how do the Browns deal with that? How do

938
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 9: they make maybe figure a way to finagle that to work. Now,

939
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 9: you could have some restructuring. I think that's very likely

940
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 9: on some of these contracts to kind of push some

941
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 9: of this money down the road here. But there's going

942
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 9: to have to be something done there, and I think

943
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 9: that is going to be the most interesting part of

944
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 9: this from a strategy, salary cap and then talent standpoint,

945
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 9: to get this offensive line room to be what it

946
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 9: has been for the Cleveland Browns in the past. The

947
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 9: good news is you've got your starting lineup is all

948
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 9: under contract, and arguably you could say your top backup

949
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 9: on the interior and your top backup on the tackles

950
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 9: are all or top two backups on tackles are under

951
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 9: contract for next year. So you're in a good spot there.

952
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 9: But there are going to have to be some interesting,

953
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 9: tough decisions and maybe some subtle nuance to how you

954
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 9: concot this room, how you organize these salaries, and then

955
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 9: how playing time is divvied up, especially the tackle position,

956
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 9: I think is going to be fascinating. So that's a

957
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 9: look at the Browns off defensive line. I think in

958
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 9: many ways it's set. In many ways, it's going to

959
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 9: be a new room because of the new leadership under

960
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 9: Andy Dickerson. But at the same time, there are things

961
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 9: that need to be done. And how Andrew Berry the

962
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 9: levers that he uses to craft this room, I think

963
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 9: will be very interesting to see going forward.

964
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972
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Speaker 3: Jason Gibbs, Bishop on assignment, Zigura on assignment. Hell, even

973
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: Griff's on assignment. Everybody's on assignment. Yellowstone spin the dials

974
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: next to Uno, Tequila Fela's in there. Who the hell

975
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: knows what's going on in that other room. Nick Paulis

976
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: is back at the ESPN Cleveland Studios. Time for a

977
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: little higher or lower presented by our great friends at

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Speaker 3: the Ohio Lottery. Gentlemen, who know? Are you ready for this?

979
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: I'm ready, Paulus, are you ready for this?

980
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: Born ready?

981
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: I will get to our quarterback and where he is

982
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: rated here in just a few minutes. Sorry, Yellowstone, I'm

983
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: going out of order. I'm going to stay in order.

984
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm just skipping over where our quarterback is rated because

985
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: it's garbage. The thirty third team has these rankings. Derek Clawson,

986
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: he's a film analyst.

987
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: He's maybe a film anaalist.

988
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: Are you a film annalist? Who know?

989
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 4: I think I could do better than this?

990
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: There we go. I like it already, I like it.

991
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: I just wonder what makes you a film analyst? But hey,

992
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: he's writing for the thirty thirteam and we use their

993
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: content quite a bit in the off season. That being said,

994
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: Clawson ranking every NFL quarterback entering the twenty twenty four

995
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 3: season hit.

996
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 10: It poss higher or lower.

997
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is number one. I don't think any of

998
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: us can argue or dispute that number two.

999
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 5: Who know?

1000
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: Number two is Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson. Higher or

1001
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: lower for Lamar or just right or just right, that's right,

1002
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: come on, let's go. You think i'd never heard the

1003
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 4: segment before.

1004
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Griff doesn't pay attention.

1005
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: It's gonna say sometimes other people in here zone out.

1006
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: So maybe Big paulis Lamar j I don't think we're

1007
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 3: gonna say higher. No, just right.

1008
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be just right.

1009
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 7: I mean, the guy's a two time MVP Award winner.

1010
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 7: I mean that almost you know, locks up a Hall

1011
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 7: of Fame bid for you at that moment in time.

1012
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 7: The guy's special, he truly is. It kills me that

1013
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 7: he's in our division because I want to root for

1014
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 7: the guy. He seems like a nice guy, but he's

1015
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 7: with the Baltimore Ravens, so I hate him so exactly exactly,

1016
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 7: and that's.

1017
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Where we're at.

1018
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 7: But no, I think number two for Lamar Jackson, you know,

1019
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 7: the MVP of the year. Yeah, that's probably the right

1020
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 7: choice right there.

1021
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: Who know what?

1022
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: Say you?

1023
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: I think this is a good spot for Lamar Jackson.

1024
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 4: I think before the season you could have had some

1025
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: questions about him, but I think he pretty much silenced

1026
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: all the doubt when he goes out and wins his

1027
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 4: second MVP and was would have been the best quarterback

1028
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 4: if Patrick Mahomes didn't exist.

1029
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Lamar is going just based on the

1030
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: regular season Accoe's Lamar is going to win the MVP.

1031
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: He already has won the MVP.

1032
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, that happened.

1033
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 3: It feels like it happened. Yeah, Paulis No, No, Paulis,

1034
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 3: Actually you couldn't have done that any better because after

1035
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: I said it, I'm like, that happened like a month ago. Gibbs, Yep.

1036
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 3: That's where we're at, just trying to speak like he

1037
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: should be number two, like Mahomes is the man. Unfortunately,

1038
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: the Ratbirds quarterback is number two. That takes us next.

1039
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is number three. Justin Herbert is number four.

1040
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: This guy's got Matthew Stafford number five. Nick Paulis, I'll

1041
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: ask you higher, lower or just right for the Rams QB.

1042
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 7: That's got, he's got to be lower. That is way

1043
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 7: too high for matt Stafford. I'm sorry that is. Yeah,

1044
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 7: he's got to be lower, no doubt about that. I mean,

1045
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 7: I'm in I don't want to get ahead of myself.

1046
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 7: But the guy at number nine, like, how you not?

1047
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 7: How is that not flip flopped? That's where I'm looking

1048
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 7: at right there, So yeah, Matt Stafford needs.

1049
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: To be lower.

1050
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 4: Who know, I would have said lower too when I

1051
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: scrolled through the list. There's actually not a lot of

1052
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: guys below him that I think are better than him,

1053
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: but there's a couple, including the individual that will do

1054
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: next two definitely needs to be above him. So I

1055
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: don't think five is the right spot, but like seven

1056
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 4: or eight might not have been bad for Stafford.

1057
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: I was gonna say he's a top ten given how

1058
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: he's played, especially coming back from yet another injury and

1059
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: playing at the level that he played, He's a top ten.

1060
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 3: He is definitely not number five.

1061
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 10: Next higher or lower.

1062
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: Number six is Dak Prescott.

1063
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: He played like an MVP in the regular season, just

1064
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything in the postseason, but same with the

1065
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: rest of the Dallas Cowboy organization. Number seven is CJ. Stroud.

1066
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 3: Number eight is Trevor Lawrence, and that takes to number

1067
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: nine and the quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Burrow.

1068
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm gonna let you go first, higher, lower.

1069
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: Or just right.

1070
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: Definitely higher for Joe Burrow. I would definitely have him

1071
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: over Lawrence. I definitely have him over Dak and I

1072
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: would definitely have him over Matt Stafford. You probably have

1073
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: him over Stroud, but CJ had such a good rookie season.

1074
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 4: I understand like the recency bias of putting him that high,

1075
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 4: but nine is too low for Joe Burrow. When he's healthy,

1076
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: he's probably the third best in the conference. In top

1077
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: five in the league.

1078
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: Nick paulis, what.

1079
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 7: Say you does the thirty third team even look at

1080
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 7: you know, the games, Like, how can you tell me

1081
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 7: that Trevor Lawrence is above Joe Burrow at any point

1082
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 7: in time? I'm sorry, even with Burrow missing half the year,

1083
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 7: he's better than Trevor Lawrence. That's just a straight up fact.

1084
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 7: Burrow needs to be higher on this list.

1085
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean you have to.

1086
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 7: I could argue that he'd be a top five, top

1087
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 7: four quarterback on this list. Yeah, it's I think it's ridiculous.

1088
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 7: He needs to be higher, all right.

1089
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: So in the article, The Gentleman says, Joe Burrow's injury

1090
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: plague twenty twenty three season makes him difficult to place.

1091
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: Actually it's not difficult. He should be number five.

1092
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 7: Where he should I mean, I again, I could argue

1093
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 7: that he could be number He should be number four

1094
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 7: at least, because you're right.

1095
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: You're right justin Herbert really like Herbert.

1096
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: You got to see it, and something tells me you

1097
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: will see it. With Harbaugh as the head coach, he

1098
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 3: should be able to get the best out of him.

1099
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: You're right, but you know, great point, you should he

1100
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: should be number four on that list. I think Prescott,

1101
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: I would. I would put Herbert number five because I

1102
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: think Herbert has all the talent in the world to

1103
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: be a top five quarterback. I would leave Prescott at six.

1104
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: I would put Trevor Lawrence ahead of CJ. I don't

1105
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: know about the rest of you guys, but I know

1106
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: Stroud had a fantastic rookie season. I still think that

1107
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 3: there's a lot there. And Trevor Lawrence is a very,

1108
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: very talented quarterback that for whatever reason, the whole offense

1109
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: disappeared down the stretch, and I think it started with us.

1110
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: Who know.

1111
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Lawrence has stacked like two good seasons in

1112
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 4: a row now where CJ is only stacked one. And

1113
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: then I mean, Lawrence's rookie season was such a mess

1114
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 4: with the Urban Meyer stuff that like the growth that

1115
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 4: he's put together probably would allow him to be higher

1116
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: than Stroud, but CJ like if he stacks. If he

1117
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: does that again, then I'm putting him over Trevor. But

1118
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 4: it's the longevity.

1119
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love CJ. Stroud.

1120
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 7: I think that it's tough because it is just his

1121
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 7: rookie year. I'll give Trevor the benefit of the doubt.

1122
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 7: I think he's a fine quarterback. But you're You're right.

1123
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 7: If CJ is as good as what I think he is,

1124
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 7: he is going to be above him next year.

1125
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1126
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: I yeah, now that there's tape on him, Let's see

1127
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: what the league does and how the league responds to CJ. Stropp.

1128
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: But I couldn't be happier with the job that he

1129
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: did accept in the.

1130
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: One except for that game against US.

1131
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: Damn you to hell.

1132
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 10: Next higher core lower.

1133
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: Number ten on this list Jordan Love the Green Bay Packers.

1134
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 4: I no idea what to do with this one.

1135
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't Paulus, what say you? Higher? Lower? Just right

1136
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: for Jordan Love of the Green Bay Packers.

1137
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 7: I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I

1138
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 7: think as of right now, yeah, probably top ten. I

1139
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 7: hate it. My wife is a Packers fan, diehard Packers fan.

1140
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 7: Grew up grew up loving them. I am furious that

1141
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 7: they have thirty straight years of top ten quarterback play.

1142
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: But that's exactly what it is.

1143
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 7: And I figure, I'm just looking at a couple of

1144
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 7: the options below him, you know, Kyler, Murray, Gino, kirkuh.

1145
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: It's like it's as of right now.

1146
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm there's not a whole lot of great quarterbacks

1147
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 7: out there, and unfortunately for us, we have to sit

1148
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 7: through another year of seeing Jordan Love being a top

1149
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 7: ten quarterback.

1150
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: So you think, right where he's at?

1151
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: Probably right? Yeah, just right? Probably?

1152
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: Who know, it's tough when you look at those names

1153
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: behind him. Okay, if you do the Trevor Lawrence Stroud argument,

1154
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 4: you probably put Kyler ahead of him because Kyler's been

1155
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 4: at least a good quarterback for like four years now.

1156
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: I don't think he's been great, but he's at least

1157
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: like one games and he's a good player. So Jordan

1158
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: Love has done one season of this.

1159
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 6: See.

1160
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 4: That's the only thing for me about Love is like

1161
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: it's hard to gauge one season of success for him

1162
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: because we have no idea what he's gonna do next year,

1163
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 4: saying with the same argument with Stroud.

1164
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 7: But Whenever you look at what Jordan Love's dealing with,

1165
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 7: Jordan Love has you know Matt Lafleur, and he is,

1166
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 7: He's a special head coach, he truly is. And Kyler

1167
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 7: has been through a bunch of a bunch of coaches already.

1168
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 7: I don't want to deal with Kyler Murray and and

1169
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 7: personally like I think that Jordan Love's arm talent is

1170
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 7: from what he showed this year, it's special. So I

1171
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 7: would take love over Kyler?

1172
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 10: All right?

1173
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: Would you take love?

1174
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: Question for both of you, Paulis, I'll start with you.

1175
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: Would you take love over Jared Goff?

1176
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: Yes? I would.

1177
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: I was gonna say no, but that's probably because I'm

1178
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: continuing to apologize to Jared Goff after me and Griff

1179
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 4: disrespected him.

1180
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: Probably, Frank, what about Aaron Rodgers?

1181
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 6: Oh?

1182
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jordan Love over over Aaron.

1183
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: Rodgers already made that decision for us. I think they

1184
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 4: also agreed that they would take a guy.

1185
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: The guy missed the whole season with.

1186
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: No idea what to do with Aaron Rodgers. He actually

1187
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 4: I think is placed well on this list because there's

1188
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 4: no idea what he's.

1189
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: Going to be. I don't know Aaron Rodgers needs to

1190
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 3: be higher. He's fifteen.

1191
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: What about Jalen Hurts at seventeen? Jeez, they do have

1192
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts at seventeen seventeen, My god, they got they

1193
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: got brock Perty at eighteen.

1194
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 4: They have Anthony Richardson at sixteen to spoil the next one,

1195
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: one spot ahead of Jalen Hurts. The guy played three

1196
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: games last year.

1197
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm a fan of Anthony Richardson, but that

1198
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 7: is the number six season. Tell me no, not yet, No,

1199
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 7: absolutely not.

1200
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 3: I mean that that is Aaron Rodgers should probably be

1201
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 3: number ten or number eleven. I mean, I mean.

1202
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 7: Gibbs, he only lasted four plays and then his achilles

1203
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 7: blew out, and then he's just been on a media

1204
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 7: spree ever since.

1205
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: And I understand that, But if he's still the same

1206
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers in terms of a guy that can throw

1207
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 3: the ball, but he.

1208
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 7: Didn't look that good whenever he was, you know, his

1209
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 7: last year in Green Bay too.

1210
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: I I don't know until I actually see him just collapse.

1211
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 3: I think that he's in my top twelve.

1212
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: That's I don't know.

1213
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do.

1214
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: You can fall apart, yeah, fully close.

1215
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 3: The train wreck's going to be epic. I can assure

1216
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: you of that.

1217
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 4: Well, McAfee show is going to be is going to

1218
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 4: be much watch if he continues to fall off.

1219
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean as of right now, I'm let's play

1220
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 7: guess the stats, Gibbs. How about this, Let's play guess.

1221
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: The status favorite game?

1222
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 4: This will be good?

1223
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why not? So holy the last day on this

1224
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: year exactly.

1225
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 7: So obviously let's not count last year because he was

1226
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 7: in there for four plays. I what do you think

1227
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 7: his twenty twenty two stat line was? Yards, touchdowns, and interceptions?

1228
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: Did he play in? Are you playing sixteen games? Believe

1229
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: it was six team?

1230
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the full seventeen. I'm gonna say thirty two touchdowns,

1231
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: probably fourteen picks and.

1232
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: Then uh, yardage? What do you think it was?

1233
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 3: Oh god, this is where I'm tremendously off on these.

1234
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: I'd say thirty two hundred.

1235
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 7: Yards, so thirty seven hundred yards right, twenty six touchdowns,

1236
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 7: twelve interceptions. The year prior to that, I believe it

1237
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 7: was his MVP year. He had forty one hundred yards,

1238
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 7: thirty seven touchdowns, and four interceptions. He had eight more interceptions,

1239
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 7: which you look at that and you're.

1240
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: Like oh, well, you know it's that's a lot of

1241
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: Adams before that in that offseason.

1242
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: In two thousand, between the twenty two between the MVP.

1243
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so yeah, I mean Adams. Adams is a

1244
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 7: huge is a huge key. But you look at what

1245
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 7: Jordan Love was able to do with rookies out there. Yeah,

1246
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 7: and I believe if he had thirty two touchdowns this year,

1247
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 7: So I don't know, I would have Love ahead of Rogers.

1248
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: No doubt in my mind.

1249
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: All Right, so they had their top they're eleven through

1250
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: twenty Eleven was Kyler, twelve was Gino Smith, thirteen was

1251
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, fourteen was Gough, fifteen Rogers. Gough just does

1252
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: not get any lover support.

1253
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: He's a good quarterback.

1254
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 3: He is a good quarterback. He just doesn't get any love.

1255
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: I'd put him over Gino for sure.

1256
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1257
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: I won.

1258
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah. Richardson was sixteen, Jalen Hurt seventeen, brock Party

1259
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: was eighteen. That's just crazy, Yeah, I'm not Yeah, Tua

1260
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: was number nineteen. Would you put Tua ahead of Jordan Love?

1261
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: Baker Maple was number twenty. Yeah, I mean.

1262
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 7: Tua what he's done the last two years. Yeah, you

1263
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 7: probably would have to go above Jordan Love. I just

1264
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 7: from what I saw, the asked, you know what, nine

1265
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 7: or ten games of the regular season from Jordan Love

1266
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 7: whenever everyone had the book on him, and he just

1267
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 7: dominated that last half. So yeah, and what he did

1268
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 7: in the playoffs as well against the Cowboys, and then yeah,

1269
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 7: I know he had the one dumb interception against the

1270
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 7: San Francisco forty nine ers. But I might put you

1271
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 7: up barely ahead of Jordan Love.

1272
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 3: All right, So I'm just gonna put this to bed now.

1273
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: Fields is twenty one, Derek Carr is twenty two, Daniel

1274
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: Jones is twenty three, Russell Wilson's twenty four, twenty five,

1275
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 3: Bryce Young. Anybody's seeing a trend here, Yeah, someone's missing.

1276
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: Number twenty six is Desmond Ritter. Number twenty seven is

1277
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: DeShawn Watson. Guy was four and one in the games

1278
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 3: he started and played through the conclusion of last year.

1279
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: I know it's a small sample size, but there's no

1280
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: way to Shawn Watson, the twenty seventh ranked quarterback in

1281
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 3: the National Football League. Desmond Ritter is ahead of him.

1282
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: You just don't like him, That's what that is. That

1283
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: is a personal I just don't like Deshaun Watson, so

1284
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put him at number twenty seven.

1285
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 4: If you read his first sentence of his little blurb

1286
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 4: about Deshaun, it tells you perfectly what he feels about him.

1287
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: Ritter is ahead of him, Bryce Young, Daniel Jones, come on,

1288
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: Derek Carr on the back end of the career.

1289
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 4: Any of those russells on the back end.

1290
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, field should be ranked probably a little bit higher. Look,

1291
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 3: I get, we need to see him on the field,

1292
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: and he needs to be healthy, and he needs to

1293
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 3: show that he can do this for an entire season.

1294
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: But Deshaun Watson deserves a much better ranking than the

1295
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: love or lack thereof he's getting from the thirty third

1296
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Speaker 3: ten awful.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense to me. Will Levis was

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Speaker 3: twenty eight, Sam Howell twenty nine, eight, O'Connell thirty, Great

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: Pickett thirty one. That guy sucks. Bailey Zappi of the

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Speaker 3: Patriots rounding things out at number thirty two, But Deshaun

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Speaker 3: Watson being twenty seventh is laughable in this higher or

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,919
Speaker 3: lower ranking from the thirty third team that is presented

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Speaker 3: by our great friends at the Ohio Lottery. Just a

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Speaker 3: quick little trip around the NFL as to what's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that coming up next. Nick Shook, Bottom

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Speaker 3: of the hour. You're listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought

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Speaker 3: Don't miss Billy, Joel and Rod Stewart together for the

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Speaker 3: first time ever Friday, September thirteenth at Cleveland brown Stadium.

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Speaker 3: twenty four for more information. Billy, Joel and Rod Stewart

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Speaker 3: together for one night only. I'm Jason Gibbs, Zigura and

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Speaker 3: Bishop back with you on Thursday. What in the heck

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Speaker 3: are these two guys doing? Moving desks fun times? I

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 3: don't know what's good. The standing desk. Oh, that's right,

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: I saw that on slack earlier. I'm like, what what

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01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 3: are they doing? They're looking at me? You guys are

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: the ones moving desks. I am not part of that.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in just a few minutes, we will talk

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: to the great Nick Shook around the sports world. Jimmy

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: Garoppolo suspended two games for using peds. Also expected to

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: be released by the Raiders after quote one season with

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Speaker 3: the team. I don't know where this guy's career goes

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01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 3: after this. The peds didn't work if you were on

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01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 3: them prior to being found out. I'm not quite sure

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Speaker 3: what happened.

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 2: Not a smart business decision, nope, nope.

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Speaker 4: Frowned upon the guy that replaced him ranked thirtieth on

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Speaker 4: that list too, of top Not that the list was

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 4: super valid, but when you're getting replaced by the thirtieth

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 4: best starting quarterback in the NFL, something might be wrong.

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Speaker 3: I don't Hey, Pukers, maybe you want him great? Be

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 3: my guest, Paulus. I think you mentioned that earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: Please. The Ravens resigning Nelson Egelore to a one year contract.

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 3: An interesting note, Saints tight end Jimmy Graham will be

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: rowing across the Arctic Ocean, Arctic Arctic Ocean, Arctic Atlantic.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was Atlantic at first, and then it

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 4: ended up being the Arctic Ocean.

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 3: Arctic Ocean Arctic Challenge, a one thousand kilometer six hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty one miles trek where a four team group

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Speaker 3: will row NonStop across the Arctic Ocean in July twenty

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 3: twenty five. That sounds awful. No, fine, But how big

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: is the boat that you're rowing in? Because it's an

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 3: ocean and if you end up in a storm, I'm

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: not quite sure that ends.

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: What a great question because it's just like a canoe, like,

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 3: Do you have a death wish?

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 2: Maybe six hundred and twenty one miles.

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 3: Get out of here? No, no, is the answer. I

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: don't want to get in a boat. I don't want

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: to not a boat. I don't want to get in

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Speaker 3: a canoe here or a kayak here in Lake Erie.

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Speaker 3: I certainly don't want to go to the Arctic Ocean

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Speaker 3: to do this. His love of adventure, Buddy, I think

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 3: you might have a death wish.

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 2: I might be your last adventure. Holy God.

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01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 3: Final fact of the day without Griff, it says on

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Speaker 3: might rundown.

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Speaker 4: Who know, Yeah, we'll get Griff back tomorrow for the

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: fact of the day, but I had to fill in

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Speaker 4: again today.

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Speaker 3: Slacker he never gave us anything.

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Speaker 6: Huh.

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Speaker 4: No, We asked him before he left to give us

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Speaker 4: some facts, and I got nothing.

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01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: So perfect, I came up with this.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow, twelve forty five.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, what do he got?

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Speaker 4: Recently retired wide receiver Matthew Slater, He's tied for the

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 4: second most Pro Bowl selections since twenty eleven. He has

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Speaker 4: ten of them. He only trails Trent Williams, who has

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 4: eleven ten Pro bowlers. For Matthew Slater, all is a

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01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 4: special teamer correct, and he's a two time All Pro.

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Speaker 3: Retired today from the New England Patriots. Belichick says, just

1383
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: like his father, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the best. I think Belichick's had one

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 4: of the best special teamers ever.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe we'll ask your odd cherry about that tomorrow

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 3: because he is a three type Super Bowl champion on

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: special teams.

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Speaker 4: Interesting for Slater, though, like, is that a Hall of

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 4: Fame case? Ten profoilers and two All pros at a.

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Speaker 3: Teamer taskard isn't in, is he?

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01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 4: I don't think so?

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 5: Well?

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 7: They I mean they just let in Devin Hester, which

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 7: sort of opens the door for more special teams.

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Speaker 2: Players. Sure, wait, which is great, But I mean, does

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01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: he really get in? I don't think so. Now, I

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: don't think that there's a chance.

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's quick look around the sports world. It's

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 3: a slow day. We'll get to the NBA All Star Game.

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 3: We got time this week, got a lot of time.

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: Some fun golf stuff too that we have to talk about.

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01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: Perfect.

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: I'm all in for that as well. All right, we'll

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 3: take a quick time out. Nick Shook from NFL dot

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: Com and the NFL Network joins us. Next, you're listening

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Speaker 3: to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Bally Bett

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 3: now live in Ohio on a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: live in Ohio on eight to fifty ESPN, Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back here to Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to you

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Speaker 3: my Bally Bet, a sports betting partner of your Cleveland

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Speaker 3: I am Jason Gibbs, Bishop and Zegara back with you

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Speaker 3: on Thursday. Coming up tomorrow on a first Friday, we'll

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01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: break down the safety position. Also, we'll talk a little

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 3: draft who know who knows big end of the draft.

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: He's all fired up because we're taking him to Indianapolis

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: with us next week in the scouting combine. I know

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah dropped a mock draft one.

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01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 4: I looked at it during one of the breaks.

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 3: I look forward to your breakdown of that. Matt Miller

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: from ESPN's on a conference call right now. We'll have

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 3: some audio from him on Brown's options and also some

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: of the other high positions of importance as we get

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: ready for this NFL draft. I'm fascinated to know what

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01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 3: that wide receiver position looks like. You know, everybody wants

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 3: to talk about Harrison and there's a few other guys,

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 3: but where's the fall off. It seems to be mid

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01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: first round and then there's a there's a pretty big gap,

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: so maybe not as deep a position as you're in

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: years past.

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Speaker 4: There's like five guys who could go in the first

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01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: I think, and then there's a bunch of guys who

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01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 4: are like anywhere from late one to round three. Like

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 4: that seems to be the consensus on the wide receiver room.

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 4: So it's weird, like we pick at fifty four. I

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 4: don't know what the value of wide receivers is going

1439
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 4: to be there, yeah, because there's five guys that I

1440
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,440
Speaker 4: think are separated and then everybody else is just right there.

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01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: Well, and that will play into what wide receivers are

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: valued here in free agency. Same with Justin Jefferson wanting

1443
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 3: a new contract, like where monetarily does. Does everybody line

1444
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: up and fall in place? You know, especially if there's

1445
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 3: not a big wide receiver market in the draft. If

1446
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: you want a wide receiver, you're gonna have to pay

1447
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 3: for one in free agency. And again we've seen it

1448
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: time and time again, receiver is getting overpaid for what

1449
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: they you know, C and D wide receivers make an

1450
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 3: A and B money.

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 4: Christian Kirk was the best example of that a couple

1452
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 4: of years ago. But he's he has done better than

1453
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 4: I expected him to. But when he got that deal,

1454
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 4: he was the first. Like pay that for Christian Kirk.

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 4: But it's worked out for him. But that is like

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 4: Tyler Boyd's going to be the name this year, Like

1457
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 4: how much do you pay that guy to be average?

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01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 4: He's a fine player, but he's not a superstar.

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01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 3: Did Tyler Boyd do?

1460
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 4: I think I just heard it this morning on a podcast.

1461
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 4: He's got like six thousand career yards and like seven

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 4: eight season.

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01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 3: Tyler Boyd had sixty seven catches for six hundred and

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01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: sixty seven yards and two touchdowns in seventeen games. T

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: Higgins played five less games and had eleven less yards

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Speaker 3: and three more touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: But that guy could be a hot commodity if you

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01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 4: don't know what you're getting in the middle of the

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: draft at wide receiver.

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I yeah, correct, someone's gonna fall in love and

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01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 3: be like, we gotta have him.

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Speaker 6: I just.

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: I don't know about that one.

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01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 4: To me, he's the C or D player that I

1475
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 4: would be the most.

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a good comp Christian Kirk

1477
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 3: this year fifty seven catches, seven hundred and eighty seven yards,

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, thirteen eight thirteen point eight yards per catch.

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01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 4: I'm trying to see what his contract was, to see

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Speaker 4: how much he actually get.

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01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: Paulis mister Shuk says, dial him up again, we'll do.

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 4: He got four years, seventy two million Christian Kirk, which

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01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 4: felt like a lot for a guy that had seven

1484
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 4: hundred yards this year. I mean, but I think he

1485
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 4: had better season last year. He did okay, Calvin Ridley

1486
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 4: being in the offense probably changed that.

1487
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: But by the way, Calvin Ridley, that's something to watch.

1488
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: Are they going to franchise him? He can be a

1489
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: free agent if they re sign him. Theyo Atlanta's second

1490
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 3: round pick right now, it's only a third, right, it

1491
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: would be a second rounder if they sign him to

1492
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: an extension.

1493
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 4: You at least the same age as Amari Cooper Ridley

1494
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley both are twenty nine.

1495
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: Really, hm, I like our guy.

1496
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 4: And Ridley's been in the league like three or four

1497
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 4: less seasons than Amari, and there both twenty nine.

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01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I like our guy. I also like

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Speaker 3: this guy, and I can't wait to It's a tradition

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Speaker 3: unlike any other. I look forward to seeing in mkil

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: Royce next week in Indianapolis. Sure we'll also see each

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01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 3: other on radio row and with all the coaches and

1503
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 3: gms talking. But kill Royce is where the business of

1504
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: the NFL really gets done. And the great Nick Shook

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Speaker 3: joins us on the Twisted Tea Hotline by Twisted Tea

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Speaker 3: it Twisted Cleveland. Hello, my friend, have you recovered from

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I've recovered and I am ready to get to

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Speaker 5: Indy to meet up with you and have another week

1511
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 5: of fantastic combine coverage mixed in with a little bit

1512
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 5: of fun in between some commiserating.

1513
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: All right, so how long were you ultimately in Vegas

1514
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl? How many days?

1515
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 6: Whopping? Eight days? Four times the recommended amount.

1516
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say at least ninety six hours

1517
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: more than you need to be in Las Vegas.

1518
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's just say. But by the time I got

1519
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 5: the Friday, it was basically like, all right.

1520
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 6: I'm done with the city.

1521
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 5: I love covering the super Bowl and the coverage is

1522
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 5: great all week, but there were so many Vegas is

1523
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 5: already a busy city, but with so many people coming

1524
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 5: in for the Super Bowl, it was just a sea

1525
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 5: of humanity. Like people talk about how the Strip was

1526
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 5: a parking lot. The sidewalks were a human parking lot.

1527
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 5: There was congestion, there was standstill foot traffic at some points.

1528
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 5: The energy was extremely aggressive. On Saturday, I basically was like, Hey,

1529
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna turn in early tonight and stay away from

1530
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 5: all the shenanigans and get ready for the super Bowl.

1531
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 6: On Sunday.

1532
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 5: It just you know, you spend that long in Vegas

1533
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 5: when you know there's nothing but stimulation in the casinos

1534
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 5: and everything else, and obviously as an NFL employee, you know,

1535
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 5: unable to gamble or anything like that for walking through

1536
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 5: casinos and it's just sounds.

1537
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 6: And lights and noise. I was just ready to get

1538
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 6: to the game.

1539
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1540
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: Nick Schuk from NFL dot Com and the NFL Network

1541
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 3: joins us Bigger Surprise, and this came from my producer

1542
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: last week when we were putting together the show Bigger Surprise.

1543
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 3: Forty nine Ers getting rid of Steve Wilkes or the

1544
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 3: forty nine er players not knowing the overtime rules.

1545
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 11: Probably that's actually good question. No, no, well, the Wilks

1546
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 11: firing probably more of a surprise. I mean, you and

1547
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 11: I have personal experience with Steve Wilkes from his time

1548
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 11: in Cleveland. He's been a number of different stops. He

1549
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 11: seems to be liked by the players that he plays for.

1550
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 11: And that defense was solid, It wasn't great. It was

1551
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 11: probably the unit I trusted least.

1552
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 5: Among the four if you go offensive defense with both

1553
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 5: the Chiefs and the forty nine Ers, But.

1554
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 10: They didn't have a bad game.

1555
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 5: They just allowed a touchdown in overtime. You know, they

1556
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 5: did a good job of bottling up the Chiefs offense

1557
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 5: for most of the game.

1558
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 6: They held them to a lot of field goals.

1559
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 5: You know. The one Chief touchdowns they scored came after

1560
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 5: they got the ball inside the twenty because of a

1561
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 5: muffed punt. So I didn't think they did a terrible job.

1562
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 5: But you know, sometimes you kind of saw this in

1563
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 5: Cleveland with you know, the partying with Alex mann Pelt.

1564
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: Sometimes the head coach and the coordinators don't see eyd

1565
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 5: eye and they feel a change is necessary. So that

1566
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 5: was probably a bigger surprise. And the only reason is

1567
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 5: because the overtime rules. We were confused at in the

1568
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 5: stadium at the game, Washington clock ticked down, taking does

1569
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 5: the clock matter? Like this is still their first opportunity

1570
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 5: to score.

1571
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 6: Does it matter?

1572
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 5: And they weren't operating as if it mattered, and they

1573
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 5: weren't calling timeouts. And we were seated in the front

1574
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 5: row of a section in the upper deck with a

1575
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 5: table set up, and there's Chiefs fans right behind us,

1576
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 5: and they don't know what's going on.

1577
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 6: We don't know if the clock matters or not.

1578
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 5: We're trying to tell them whether we know or not.

1579
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, the Chiefs scored the

1580
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 6: touchdown to win the game.

1581
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 5: So I can understand why there's some confusion. It's relatively new.

1582
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 5: It was implemented because of what happened in a chief

1583
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 5: game against the Bills and in over time a few

1584
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 5: years ago in the playoffs.

1585
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 6: You know, it's not something that you know, you.

1586
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 5: Know, when we were growing up, you know, it was

1587
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 5: field goal wins, sudden death overtime. So the fact that

1588
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 5: it changes from regular season to postseason, that's not a surprise.

1589
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 5: The only thing surprised to me about that is the

1590
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,919
Speaker 5: fact that Kyle Shanahan didn't feel the need to address

1591
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 5: the rule changes when all the words from the Chiefs

1592
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 5: was we talked about in training camp, We talked about

1593
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 5: it two weeks ago.

1594
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were fully.

1595
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 5: Prepared for it, and then the forty nine ers, of

1596
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 5: course were not. So that was what was really interesting,

1597
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 5: more than anything.

1598
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: If the Chiefs don't three pete, it will be because of.

1599
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 5: Blank because there, yeah, their offense stays largely the same,

1600
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 5: which was I mean, you have a supernatural quarterback, but

1601
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 5: your receiving corps leaves a lot to be desired, even

1602
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 5: your running backs room. I mean, Asia Pacheco had a

1603
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 5: fubball game and I don't think he's gonna have a

1604
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 5: very long shelf life. Clyde Edwards Hilaire never lived up

1605
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 5: the expectation, so I think that's gonna stay mostly the same.

1606
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 5: You're not gonna have a bunch of departures, but you

1607
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 5: are looking at some departures on the defensive side of

1608
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 5: the ball, and that's where they could take a step back,

1609
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 5: because let's face that that defense carried them in that game,

1610
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 5: not so much against Buffalo, but definitely against Baltimore and

1611
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 5: definitely against Miami. And so if they're gonna get weaker anywhere,

1612
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 5: it's the defensive side of the ball.

1613
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 6: So that would be why.

1614
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: Talking with Nick Schuff from NFL dot Com and the

1615
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: NFL Network Super Bowl in the Books season recap, the

1616
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 3: Chiefs are really good. What I don't even like Mahomes

1617
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 3: got the ball at the end, like you knew what

1618
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: was gonna happen. I mean, that's all there is to it.

1619
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 3: For the Cleveland Browns and the AFC North, there's a

1620
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 3: lot of questions Browns wise. I mean it comes down

1621
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 3: you got to see Watson on the field. And we

1622
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: talked about earlier. You gotta see Watson on the field.

1623
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 3: You gotta see Watson on the field for the majority,

1624
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 3: if not all, of the season. Here in twenty twenty

1625
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 3: four got to see something. Can the defense replicate things?

1626
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 3: It was a feel good story every you play five quarterbacks.

1627
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski deserve to be Coach of the Year. The Browns, though,

1628
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: in free agency, a lot of work to do, a

1629
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: lot of pieces to replace guys that had one year deals.

1630
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 5: A lot of pieces to replace in not a lot

1631
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 5: of calf space to work with. Another thing that's going

1632
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 5: around the bus today is somebody from the athletic is

1633
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 5: either the athletic or PFF said that Nick Chubbs in

1634
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 5: line to be a cut candidate. And if you look

1635
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 5: at their cap situation, there's not a ton of spaces

1636
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 5: where they can you know, save some cap from without

1637
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 5: partying with some notable guys. I mean, they're nineteen million

1638
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 5: over the capcoy over the cap as of today, so

1639
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 5: they have some work to do just to get under

1640
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 5: the calf and then to be able to, you know,

1641
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 5: retain some guys. You know, I don't even like to

1642
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 5: use the term upgrade, but kind of keep this as

1643
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 5: quot on the defensive side of the ball. It's gonna

1644
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 5: take a lot of work for Interrebury to kind of

1645
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 5: keep this team solvent and competitive at the same time.

1646
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 6: So that's gonna be tough. It.

1647
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 5: I hate to use this term, but I'm gonna use it.

1648
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 5: The Browns last year going to this year seems like

1649
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 5: everybody enjoyed admiring a bit of a house of cards

1650
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 5: with the way that you know, the quarterback situation unfolded

1651
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 5: and everything else.

1652
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 6: But that's not to say that it's all going to

1653
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 6: fall apart this year.

1654
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 5: If you have the quarterback, like the Chiefs just proved

1655
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 5: you have the quarterback, you know you got a shot.

1656
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 5: Just you need your quarterback to be on the field,

1657
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 5: you know, for the majority, if not all, of the season,

1658
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 5: and especially.

1659
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 6: In the playoffs.

1660
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 5: And the Browns have not enjoyed that in the last

1661
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 5: couple of years with Watson, So you know, you can

1662
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 5: be encouraged by the fact that he was probably playing

1663
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 5: his best football as a Brown right before his season

1664
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 5: ended prematurely, and you can hope that that carries over

1665
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 5: and you can hope that Ken Dorsey's arrival is going

1666
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 5: to create a better offensive system for the Browns to

1667
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,520
Speaker 5: be able to take advantage of of Deshaun Watson's.

1668
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 6: Strengths, But still a lot of unknown.

1669
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 5: I feel like we're in a similar place that we

1670
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 5: were at this time last year, which is all going

1671
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 5: to come down to de Sean Watson, and it will

1672
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 5: every team. It always comes down to their quarterback. And

1673
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 5: after your year in which we saw sixty six different

1674
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 5: quarterbacks start a game for an NFL team, you know

1675
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 5: you want some stability in Cleveland.

1676
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 6: You don't want to go through five.

1677
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,520
Speaker 5: Different starting quarterbacks next season. So it'll start with him.

1678
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 5: But again, the task is going to be on the

1679
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 5: shoulders of Andrew Berry to to really, you know, try

1680
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 5: to massage this cap as best as possible, to really

1681
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 5: kind of work his way through where can I find

1682
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 5: spaces to make additions, Where can we save some money

1683
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 5: to create some space to make some additions and keep

1684
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 5: this team as competitive and as good as it was

1685
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 5: last year.

1686
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 3: All Right, I got about a minute left, and you

1687
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 3: can check out nfl dot com Shook's QB Index ranking

1688
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 3: all sixty six starting quarterbacks from the twenty twenty three

1689
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 3: NFL season. A fascinating read, some good stuff. Want to

1690
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: get smarter, make sure you check it out on NFL

1691
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: dot com. Madden, I know that you play. Will you

1692
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 3: play College Football twenty twenty five with the same vigor?

1693
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: Realize that you do the Madden game with.

1694
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 6: More vigor than I do the Madden Games. We cannot

1695
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 6: wait to get into college football.

1696
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 5: I can I cannot wait. We are going to start

1697
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 5: a massive dynasty. Hopefully cross play will be enabled like

1698
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 5: it was with Madden. Shout to my people at EA.

1699
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 5: By the way, they had a great Madden party at

1700
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl.

1701
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 6: I was fortunate to be able to attend that they're

1702
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 6: great people over there.

1703
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 5: And I'm hoping that the game that they roll out

1704
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 5: is excellent and fit, you know, meets our expectations.

1705
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: I love.

1706
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I still play the college game from NAA

1707
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 5: fourteen just because I missed that so much. I think

1708
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a great way to get more fans

1709
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 5: into college football. And we're gonna be running the league,

1710
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 5: and you better believe we're gonna be full board because

1711
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 5: all the people that dropped out of the Madden League

1712
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 5: in the last few years. They're gonna be on board

1713
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 5: with the College Football League and will be opening up

1714
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 5: for more people to hop in.

1715
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 6: It's going to be a blast.

1716
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 5: You can find all the action live on Twitch, where

1717
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 5: I always play my Madden League games.

1718
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 6: Once the NCAA League starts, we'll be doing I can't wait.

1719
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 3: I can't wait, man, that's makes it. I'm getting a

1720
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 3: new video game system for the first time and I

1721
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 3: don't know how long because of this video game coming

1722
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 3: out in July, so I'm looking forward to it. Sugar,

1723
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 3: appreciate the time I will touch base with you. Can't

1724
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 3: wait to see you in Indie next week, my friend.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I can't wait. Looking forward to it, buddy.

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Speaker 3: See then, Thanks, Sugar, appreciate it. That's Nick Shook. More

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Speaker 3: to come, so much more. You're listening to Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: Oh, No, job, well done, Nick Poulis.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Hopefully, Nick Poulis, you are done for the day.

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Speaker 3: Something tells me you're not, but I appreciate the effort. Today.

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Speaker 3: Always Emmitt gerad Or Next. Are they both there today?

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Speaker 3: They are well?

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Speaker 2: Is Climax there he is?

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Speaker 3: Oh my God, JK, God help us.

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Speaker 2: Three to six the next level comes your way. Next.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Yellowstone for all his help, Thanks to Uno,

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Speaker 3: Thanks Nick Pollocks, Thank you for listening. I'm Jason Gibbs.

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