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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets Up listeners back at you with

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Speaker 1: episode number forty five of the Mets Up podcast. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm your co host Draftnick Mark Luino here with James

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Speaker 1: Sheiano Jeter had no range on Twitter. Talk to you

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Speaker 1: guys about the New York Mets and specifically this previous

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Speaker 1: series against the Washington Nationals. We're playing one of the

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Speaker 1: worst teams in baseball. The Mets are not playing good

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Speaker 1: and luckily for us. We actually did come out on

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Speaker 1: top of this series. We ended up winning two out

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Speaker 1: of three games, three very winnable ones. We let game

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Speaker 1: one go, but we're gonna go through every single game

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Speaker 1: in depth talk about everything that went on during those games.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of storylines going around, and the big

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Speaker 1: one that we are going to talk about a lot

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Speaker 1: at the end of this episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: what Javier Baiaz just said after Game three. Hovey BIA's

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Speaker 1: had some takes, he had some quotes. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: or whatever that's saying is it is going to be

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Speaker 1: probably the most talked about thing in New York Mets

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Speaker 1: at some point. So we're gonna talk about everything here.

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Speaker 1: you guys are really looking forward to the Francisco Alvarez interview.

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Speaker 1: Had these heavier bias comments that happened, it would have

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Speaker 1: been in this episode, but that kind of took over

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Speaker 1: Alvarez will most likely be in the next episode. If not,

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Speaker 1: it's coming on the weekend, but within the next seven days,

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Speaker 1: you will have the Francisco Alvarez interview in your ears

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Speaker 1: and in front of your eyes. James, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: ask you about Hovey right now, but how are we

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Speaker 1: feeling about this Mets team after this National Series?

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Speaker 2: I think basically exactly the same as we felt the

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I thought it is now

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Speaker 2: the Braves one two of three.

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Speaker 1: The Braves won two of three. Yes, oh, bastards. They

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Speaker 1: Oh man. So yeah, I thought the Braves won two

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Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of more of the same

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Speaker 1: And I mean we even saw a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a grim. It was brutal, coming off

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Speaker 2: Black Jerseys. How cursed are those things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I guess he was a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you give up two runs. You shouldn't lose a

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Speaker 1: Even his name is just like a Palo Espiino.

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Speaker 2: But it's just as if we face some of these

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Speaker 2: It was upsetting. Friday night, we were together and it

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Speaker 1: Sat down. Very nice bartender gave us a free jell

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Speaker 1: out to you guy to South Carolina, dude. But we're

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Speaker 1: watching it and I was like, dude, we're really gonna

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get a runner on and they're gonna hit

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Speaker 2: And just such an awful, blah boring game, Like Hobby

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was literally no excitement the rest of the game.

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Speaker 2: It looked brutal to be there. I'm really happy that

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Speaker 2: No, but just to get back to this game after

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Speaker 1: You know who's got the third most home runs on

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Speaker 2: And truly twelve pup runs are Kevin Billar is like

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Speaker 2: That's like a shockingly good year with the bat after

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's the maximum production you can get

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Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. I'm still not gonna give

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Speaker 2: Big positive, though, was Marcus Stroman again continuing to do

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Speaker 2: more runs. His sinker did come back to the forefront

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Speaker 2: He's got multiple off speed pitches. He keeps the hitters

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Speaker 1: We want to keep this out on the down low there.

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Speaker 1: We don't want Stroman to hear these and start asking

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Speaker 2: And that's allly up to his agent. I'm sure Marcus

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Speaker 2: in baseball only, trailing Walker Bueller and Kevin Gusman.

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Speaker 1: Who are two cy young candidates. Gousman out as much

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Speaker 2: What happened injury? Isn't he out COVID vaccine. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And the most important thing that Marcus Stroman did

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Speaker 1: Dunk Dunum hard, which was great. I think Tim Heely

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Speaker 2: Like I think he just said retweet. He literally. Tim

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Speaker 2: against National six innings pitch seven hits to earn runs.

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Speaker 2: as we've also learned now today from Hobby Bias. His

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Speaker 1: Maybe times a little too aware. But I like Struman's

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Speaker 1: He's got to be up for the Gold Glove right

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Speaker 2: brand Nemo is so adept at getting on base. So

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Vr something just happens to him when he's in

431
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Speaker 2: the lead off spot. It seems like you trigger something

432
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Speaker 2: and like deep in his brain that he's in the

433
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Speaker 2: lead athlete and just forgets how to be that. Sometimes

434
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Speaker 2: I like it. The team needed to shake up, but

435
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Speaker 2: I think the was a good one to make.

436
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Speaker 1: Cabalio Loco, he's he's crazy, man. He's brought like a

437
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Speaker 1: little crackhead energy to the top of the lineup, a

438
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Speaker 1: little bit of that. We needed a jolt and he's

439
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Speaker 1: given it to us and it worked. Now to talk

440
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Speaker 1: about the end of the game here, because here's the

441
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Speaker 1: big storyline. Michael Confordo, welcome back, Welcome back to city Field,

442
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this planet. He had a home run,

443
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Speaker 1: came through in the clutch opposite field. How beautiful is

444
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Speaker 1: it to watch Michael Confordo one hit the ball to

445
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Speaker 1: opposite field, but then to hit it for some friggin power,

446
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Speaker 1: which he did.

447
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 2: Finally, he also came up as a pinch hither very

448
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,840
Speaker 2: difficult to come in game, called in a big spot

449
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 2: like that, and he delivered. It was my mom's favorite

450
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 2: player's maucnford this. Anytime he does anything like even kind

451
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Speaker 2: of well, she'll text me in all caps Michael xmah

452
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Speaker 2: point xlamation point xmh point exlamation point. I think it's

453
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Speaker 2: just because he's Italian, so she likes him and he's

454
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Speaker 2: he's a good looking cat. But those text have been

455
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Speaker 2: faring few between this year because of how awful he's been.

456
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Speaker 2: I got a nice, big fat Michael text last night.

457
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Speaker 2: It was it was very very nice to see.

458
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Speaker 1: It was good to see as well, because like he

459
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Speaker 1: needed it. He needs every sort of boost of confidence

460
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Speaker 1: that's possible, because this guy has been broken and battered

461
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Speaker 1: all year and I've gotten on him all season long,

462
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Speaker 1: and it's rightfully so. He's played terribly, but he played

463
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 1: really well. Got the huge hit that we needed. The

464
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 1: Mets have not had a big hit like this. It

465
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Speaker 1: seems like in quite some time you tipped the captain.

466
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Speaker 1: Michael CONFORDO, thank you for coming in the clutch who

467
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Speaker 1: also has the history of being called you know, the

468
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Speaker 1: guy who likes to at home run when we're up eight.

469
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Speaker 2: Dude, fuck him needing it. The Mets needed that home right.

470
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Speaker 2: If the Mets would have lost this game again, it

471
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Speaker 2: would have all been over. The ship would have filled

472
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Speaker 2: with water. Everything would have been over on the spot

473
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Speaker 2: right there, bag, Not that it isn't right now, at

474
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Speaker 2: least there's like something to look forward to the Tuesday

475
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Speaker 2: kind of.

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Speaker 1: The Mets got that point zero one percent chance on

477
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Speaker 1: fan grafts to make the playoffs right now, but they're

478
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Speaker 1: still a shot. We lose that game, it is almost

479
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Speaker 1: all but over. And that good energy in that decent

480
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Speaker 1: offense built into Game three, Like I said, rocking with

481
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Speaker 1: the same lineup, we're going VR Nimo up top one

482
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Speaker 1: and two, and it worked again. VR had a fantastic game.

483
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Speaker 1: Nimo had a fantastic game. Would they get on base

484
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Speaker 1: seven times combined together?

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nimo's on base four times too walks and two

486
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Speaker 2: hit by pitches, and VR had three hits, including a

487
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Speaker 2: home run and a triple.

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Speaker 1: It's a great day. He was a double away from

489
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Speaker 1: the cycle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, VR's triple was really funny too, because it

491
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Speaker 2: looked out especially to Jonathan VR, so he kind of

492
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Speaker 2: jogged a first base I saw another status. Whether I'm

493
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Speaker 2: master who it was, I'm not gonna be able to

494
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Speaker 2: give credit. But it took him seven point three six

495
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Speaker 2: seconds to get to first base. It took him less

496
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Speaker 2: than that to get from first to third.

497
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Speaker 1: That is so long to get to first base. You

498
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Speaker 1: are really watching that.

499
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: Thing, staring at it. But it all worked out whatever,

500
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 2: and he came through with some clutch spots late in

501
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: the game when if we weren't hitting, things could have

502
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Speaker 2: gotten a little bit rock here.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he was a really good leadoff hitter, and

504
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Speaker 1: I think, as we've said all this episode, he's probably

505
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Speaker 1: gonna stay there until the end of the season until

506
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Speaker 1: it's done working. At least JD. Davis and Jeff mcteal

507
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: only got four at bats this series four. Jonathan VR

508
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Speaker 1: is going to be the third baseman for the rest

509
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Speaker 1: of the year. I think that's pretty much a lock.

510
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Speaker 1: The only way I feel like he's not playing third

511
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Speaker 1: base is if Lindor or Bias for some reason getting

512
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Speaker 1: off day and then he fills in one of those spots.

513
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Speaker 1: I just can't see him not being in lineup every day,

514
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Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate because that's really gonna take away some

515
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Speaker 1: playing time from JD Dom McNeil. Those are guys who

516
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Speaker 1: are really all fighting for sort of the same spot

517
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Speaker 1: in a way. Whatever we got to score runs, we

518
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Speaker 1: need the guys who were hitting, and VR is continuing

519
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Speaker 1: to hit. He's gotta stay in this lineup.

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Speaker 2: I truly think that VR would not have played today

521
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Speaker 2: if he had a bad game last night. I guess

522
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Speaker 2: he would not have played on Sunday if he had

523
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Speaker 2: a bad game on Saturday, just because he was in

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Speaker 2: the lineup to get them a good glove on the

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Speaker 2: field for Marcus Stroman's start rather than JD and a

526
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Speaker 2: right handed bat because the left handers on the mount

527
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Speaker 2: instead of McNeil at third base. Specifically, so, the fact

528
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Speaker 2: that he got two hits and smoke two balls, I

529
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Speaker 2: think put him in the lineup the next day against

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Speaker 2: a righty with a fly ball pitcher on the mound,

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Speaker 2: which is important, which does which should lead Mets fans

532
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Speaker 2: to believe that he has the leg up in this

533
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Speaker 2: platoon as of this second.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's definitely safe to say, and it

535
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Speaker 1: was awesome to how this game started. We got a

536
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Speaker 1: little bit of an old school baseball here from Francisco Indoor,

537
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Speaker 1: super pissed because he rolled over on a two zero pitch.

538
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Speaker 1: He missed a fat pitch down the middle rold a over,

539
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Speaker 1: but he made an impact with the bass paths here,

540
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Speaker 1: got to third base and forced the ball from Eric Fetty.

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Speaker 1: What a friggin move there. I haven't seen that since

542
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Speaker 1: Jose Reyes. I believe is the last time. Like I

543
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: always see that and I go it never works. But

544
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Speaker 1: Eric Fetty is so mentally weak that Francisco Indoor got

545
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Speaker 1: in that guy's head and he couldn't look back.

546
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Speaker 2: Legitimntal midget behavior from Eric Fetty. It was just hilarious

547
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Speaker 2: play to the watch and Fold. There was no reason

548
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Speaker 2: at all for him to have flinched.

549
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Speaker 1: None, no cause if he goes, you just step off

550
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Speaker 1: and you throw home. I mean, it's it's so that

551
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: play is you being so not focused on what's happening

552
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: in this game and being worried about Francisco Indoor stealing home.

553
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Speaker 1: You know how hard it is to steal home. It's

554
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: so incredibly feels easy. We'd be doing it a lot more.

555
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Speaker 1: There's a reason it doesn't happen often. You have to

556
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Speaker 1: literally steal the base. It's not just given. And Eric Veetty,

557
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Speaker 1: thank you for just having no clue what's going on

558
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 2: And it was nice that we got that one run

560
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Speaker 2: because very soon after that, Josh Bell hit a monster

561
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Speaker 2: home run off of Tyler and McGill, your boy, Josh Bell,

562
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Speaker 2: and that put us right back in the hall immediately.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it did. It gave me some little PTSD of like,

564
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Speaker 1: oh boy, here we go again, like, come on, micguil,

565
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Speaker 1: you got this, bud, you got this end. He did

566
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Speaker 1: settle in. He did settle in, and the offense answered back,

567
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Speaker 1: which is something we have not been able to say

568
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Speaker 1: a lot this year.

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Speaker 2: No did that. Literally the next ding Hovey hit his

570
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Speaker 2: monster home run made the Josh Bell homerun look like

571
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Speaker 2: Little League home run. Shout out to the Lile League

572
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Speaker 2: World Series ending today. Four hundred and forty four feet

573
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Speaker 2: second deck. He pimped it, stared at it for a while.

574
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Speaker 2: It was it was uh. Actually, now hearing the comments

575
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Speaker 2: after the game, it makes it even seem a little

576
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Speaker 2: bit different that, uh he did that. But Hovey had

577
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Speaker 2: a good series. Like, what can you say, I think

578
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Speaker 2: he brings with a lot of this team lacks, which

579
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Speaker 2: is just kind of like vibes and general confidence. I'll

580
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: drop this word machismo, little edge. Yeah, just like he

581
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Speaker 2: has an energy that a lot of guys don't have,

582
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Speaker 2: but he still just swings at every single thing that

583
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Speaker 2: happens to tweet the stat out during the game that

584
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Speaker 2: he's being thrown pitches in the strike zone less than

585
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Speaker 2: thirty percent of the time. It's crazy, and the league

586
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Speaker 2: averages up above forty five percent. So just maybe just

587
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Speaker 2: lay off a few once in a while, just lay off.

588
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Speaker 1: It would be so sick if he could be patient.

589
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: Because like when he does get ahead and counts and

590
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Speaker 1: he gets pitches, the hit he hits them. That's not

591
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Speaker 1: his problem. Like we've talked about confod O dom struggled

592
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Speaker 1: with hitting balls in the heart of the plate. Havi

593
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Speaker 1: Baias crushes baseballs that are eight are easy to be hit.

594
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Speaker 1: It's just that he also swings the pitches that are

595
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Speaker 1: in the left handed batter's box that he physically can't

596
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Speaker 1: touch if he wanted to.

597
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're right handed pitcher, you should only throw

598
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 2: Havier Bias sliders down away, because he will wave at

599
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Speaker 2: basically all of them.

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Speaker 1: And this has been his stick his entire career, so

601
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Speaker 1: like everybody knows it. He's just I'm sure it's hard.

602
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not trying to swing at every single pitch,

603
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: but just gotta get a little bit inside yourself and

604
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: you could be that like superstar top shortstop quality player. Dude,

605
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Speaker 1: he had a year. He had that year where he

606
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Speaker 1: was a MVP candidate. He could go if he's patient,

607
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Speaker 1: I feel like he could unleash that potential a lot more.

608
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wasn't even patient then. He was just

609
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: like the league just hadn't really figured it out yet,

610
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Speaker 2: and he was able to attack people more so, kind

611
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Speaker 2: of the same way that Tim Anderson like consistently attacks

612
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: people before they adjusted. Now he's readjusted. But I dug

613
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: through the stats just to kind of see if Javier

614
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Baya's had slightly different plate discipline statistics or if there

615
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: was any changes in his game since, because now we're

616
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Speaker 2: at a point where he's played like twenty ish games

617
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Speaker 2: of the Mets, Like you're seeing so many pitches on

618
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: every game that those stats will stabilize much more than

619
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Speaker 2: things like your batthered balls or just flat bats, and

620
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Speaker 2: it was pretty inconclusive. He's the same guy largely. He's

621
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Speaker 2: swinging at more pitches inside his own like ten percent more,

622
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Speaker 2: which is kind of significant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, guy, listen, he helped us out this game.

624
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Speaker 1: That was big. Lot more hobby bias to talk about

625
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: after we get this game three over. McGill, as we

626
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, was fine. He was good. I think the

627
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Nationals were kind of the perfect team for him to

628
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: face after he got shelled by the Giants. A nice

629
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Speaker 1: easy light day.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, because a lot of those fastballs down the

631
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Speaker 2: deck that the Giants will head for home runs, the Nationals

632
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: will hit fly balls to the outfield, which is great.

633
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: That's what they mostly did. Besides for Josh Bell, I

634
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Speaker 2: wasn't really worried he wasn't going to bounce back like

635
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: our friend Kate Feldman. Also just because this had to

636
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Speaker 2: happen against the Nationals or else, like you would have

637
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: had to sound the alarms and probably scraunch up a

638
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: new picture from god knows where. But he still threw

639
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: almost seventy percent fastballs today. He just continues to lean

640
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: on that pitch. It seems like the rest of the

641
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: league has really come around to his off speed stuff.

642
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to get one called strike on his

643
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: slider or his change up today, and a few curve

644
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: balls that he threw, which is a pretty bad sign.

645
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Speaker 2: One he's not locating them, and two when he does,

646
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: they're not a surprise, like they're pretty easy to track

647
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: and find a way to hit. So things are not

648
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: really better, but it's a positive that he gritted his

649
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: teeth and just got the job done because we needed that.

650
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: I think. Gary also noted that McGill is over however

651
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: many innings he's ever thrown before this season, so this

652
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: could also be a little bit of the Taiwan walker

653
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: thing we talked about too. His arms getting a little

654
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: bit tired. He's pitching the high leverage games. He's going

655
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: pretty deep into games too. The dude's probably getting a

656
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: little gas, which would explain again in the command and

657
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: the lack of.

658
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: It, definitely, But it's not even like his lack command

659
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: because he's still not walking any of the prodigious it's

660
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: that like gray area of command where you have to

661
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: be able to locate and make sure you put your

662
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: pitches exactly where they want to go. There was a

663
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: play in that fifth inning when Lane Thomas was leading

664
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: off after he had the big game on Saturday. No,

665
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: it wasn't leading off leading off like hither, but there

666
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: were two men on after Lindor picked his foot up

667
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: off the base when Mozeka made a nice play on

668
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: the Feti bunty, which that was disappointing, but good play

669
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: by Mesica again undera played by Mosica underady catcher. Lane

670
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: Thomas was up with two men on and one out

671
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: and you had two batters until want so though and

672
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: literally this time through the orders from Wanso, they hit

673
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: the home run off Varrant loops. So it could have

674
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: been a disaster if there were men on for that situation.

675
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: Just you literally have to navigate this national's lineup just

676
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: around one so though, just make sure he leads off

677
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: inix or two out, no one on and mcguil had

678
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: an app bad against Lane Thomas, who I don't think

679
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: anybody would tell you was a great hitter. I happened

680
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: to think he has a little more potential and he's

681
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: ever let on. He's power, he's athletes, got some speed,

682
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: but he just couldn't get him out. It was foul

683
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: ball after foul ball, fastball, slide, their change up all

684
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: over this stone, just foul, foul, foul, and eventually he

685
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: got him to swing through a change up that he

686
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: just missed, missed with horribly. Mozeka was had his glove

687
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: low and outside and it basically came in high middle

688
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: and just didn't get around on X. I guess he

689
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: wasn't expecting like a change up on his hands. That's

690
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: just the kind of things you get away with against

691
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: Lane Thomas and not against the vaunted Lamont Wade of.

692
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: Course, Lamont Wade, Darren Ruff Polease no shot three months ago.

693
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: Those two were the same guy, Yes they were, but

694
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: now they're different. And luckily for us, McGill wasn't playing them,

695
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: he was playing the Nationals did plenty to keep us

696
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: in this game. The offense, like I said, picked us

697
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: up to Pete big bass hit staying hot as always

698
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: a couple hits I think this game as well.

699
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: That base hit was right after this inning from McGill.

700
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: So in the situation where the Nationals got the tying

701
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: runs of the plate and things were kind of tight,

702
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: we really need another insurance run of happy Peak got

703
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: it for us.

704
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it felt even bigger because Luke came

705
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: into the next thing to the face Soto, right, I believe, yep,

706
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, Sodo was just so good. He's

707
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: just simply one of the five best players in baseball.

708
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: And if you don't think that, I think you're just

709
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: out of your fucking mind.

710
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Dude. He took a pitch that was like lowing inside

711
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: or just a little bit low early in that bat,

712
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: and Keith was like, I can't believe he took that

713
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: pitch that looked like a strike the whole way. This

714
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: young man is so impressive.

715
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Keith has never been this impressed, I feel like by

716
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: a player at least that I can remember. He is

717
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: just like drools over the fact that Wan Sota is

718
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: a major league baseball player, especially nowadays. Even though Wan

719
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Sodo basically does a lot of what the modern baseball

720
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: player does, which is like walk, hit the hit, home runs,

721
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: like all that kind of stuff. But Pete, he just

722
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: has a different feel than a lot of these other

723
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: guys because he still hits like three thirty and is

724
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: just a phenomenal baseball player at everything he does.

725
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see how good Wan Soda

726
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: was when he's Adelie Rushman's age.

727
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. That was a conversation I had with someone.

728
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: They were like, would you trade or what would you

729
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: trade for Juan Soto? And I said literally anything, and

730
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: they're like, would you do Addlie Rushman? Go? Wan Soto

731
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: is younger than Adlie Rushman. That's an easy deal. Like,

732
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: that's correctcond that's not even that's unreal that he's younger

733
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: than the top prospect in baseball and he is the

734
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: top five player in the league.

735
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: Getting pretty close to one one right now.

736
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: It's just the issue, you know, Otani Trout.

737
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean Trout at this point, I don't know, so.

738
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: I still have I think Trout's probably still won.

739
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: The best availability is availability there.

740
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: And also Wan Solo has completely remade himself as a

741
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: defensive player this year.

742
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: He's near the top of the league in OAA.

743
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: He started to do that a little bit at the

744
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: end of last year too, So it's it's interesting to

745
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: see that play out. Enough Wan Soto, let's keep talking

746
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: about this Mets team here though, Loop that was his

747
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: one blemish the WANs in the home run Loop was

748
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: still great.

749
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, now this is back to back out things for

750
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Lup. That he's given up an extra base hit

751
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: to a left handed hither after not doing it at

752
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: all for four months, which I think is something to

753
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: be mildly concerned about.

754
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm concerned. I don't know. I

755
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: like Brandon Crawford beat him. He jumped on the first pitch.

756
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just kind of like a sometimes

757
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: being a little aggressive think can happen. Jan Soto is

758
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the game. I like,

759
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: I can't get mad at anybody for giving up anything

760
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: to want Soto.

761
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: No truly by that logic, I agree with you. But

762
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: at some point Aaron Lup was going to regress back

763
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: to his mean Like he's been one of the lucky

764
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: pitchers in baseball this year by like x fip x

765
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: WOLBA against he was never gonna end the season in

766
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: the r in the ones, And I think we're probably

767
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: gonna have a few weeks where Aaron Loops looks way

768
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: more mortal than he has all year. And I hope

769
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: that internally the Mets understand that he's not one of

770
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: the five best relievers in baseball. Even though his stats

771
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: to this point have said that.

772
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think as bad as the front office

773
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: has done at points this year with player assessment, I

774
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: don't think Loup is gonna be one that they really

775
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: make that crazy decision on. And then we just start

776
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: smacking the Nationals bullpen because they have guys like Sam

777
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Clay Kyle McGowan, who I'm weirdly in a fantasy baseball

778
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: league with. That's like a weird flex, but.

779
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 2: As a funny flex. Sam Clay sounds like a regular

780
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: yeoman from the eighteen hundreds.

781
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: He plays a nice smooth jazz guitar.

782
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: He had like just a really really modest personal farm.

783
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: No frels, Sam Clay, the Clay family farm. They've been

784
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: there for hundreds of years. They were with the settlers,

785
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: they did iron work for a couple centuries.

786
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: They've transitioned into just being full on farming agriculturalists.

787
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and luckily the Mets treated him like he was

788
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: just a farmer out on the mound and they start

789
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: smacking him around. The Mets got a lot of offense

790
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: dom Vr Lindor all with big hits. Lindor coming a

791
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: little bit later in the game. It was nice. It

792
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: was nice to see the Mets offense actually jump on

793
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: just minor league pitchers.

794
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, do what they are supposed to do. Dom had

795
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: a nice ball, hit hard. He had a couple of

796
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: hard hit balls now over the last week, which is

797
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: a positive development for the guy who hadn't hit the

798
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: ball hard in months, and.

799
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: It let us into two wins in a rouw. When

800
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 1: the last time that happened.

801
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: It was last week as the Nationals. Oh yeah, that's right, right,

802
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: right right before we played the Dodges and the Giants.

803
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: You remember the Bookends. Yeah, we played the Nationals. We

804
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: play really really good teams, and we played the Nationals again,

805
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: and we've won those two series against shockingly the bad

806
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: teams in baseball.

807
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know the last time we won two

808
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: games in a row. That wasn't the Nationals. I think

809
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: it was actually that Red Series in Cincinnati. Gone, No,

810
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: we didn't even win two games in a row because

811
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: won the first game in the last game.

812
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Correct, that's so long ago. That literally feels like pre COVID.

813
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: That's how long this Mets season is felt.

814
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: That's a month. Don't be a baby. So just went

815
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: back checked the books. The Mets in the second half

816
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: have not beat a single team in consecutive games besides

817
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals. But we have won first and last

818
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: games of series a few times, and it both happened

819
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: the same week where we won the last game of

820
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: the series in Cincinnati, and then we won the first

821
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: game of the series against the Blue Jays, again winning

822
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: those two series but losing the middle game both time.

823
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: So still have our fingers crossed. Maybe we could beat

824
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: the Nationals in multiple games too.

825
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get three in a row. This is

826
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: this next series? Amy getting crazy here? Can we win

827
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: game one of against the Marlins.

828
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm a beggar, but not the chooser.

829
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, which I think is gonna lead

830
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: us now into what probably everybody's really been waiting to

831
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: hear us talk about the Javier Baias comments after the game.

832
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: This is a comment that he said. So, if you

833
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: guys have seen the Mets players recently on extra base hits,

834
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: they've been giving thumbs down and you might be wondering,

835
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: why are the Mets doing the thumbs down celebration? Is that,

836
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, Todd Fraziery did the thumbs down thing. Top

837
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Fraze's not here anymore. What's it all about? Well, Javier

838
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: or Baias gave us some insight, and you know, I

839
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: don't necessarily like what was said. I don't necessarily blame

840
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Javier Bias. I understand what he's saying, but I think

841
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: it's something that maybe shouldn't have been said. I think

842
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: it might be an unnecessary distraction to the team. I think,

843
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: considering that this team had the obvious Lindor and McNeil

844
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: fight that happened, and they went with this insane ratcoon thing,

845
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: which was funny, why not continue to just lie? Why

846
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: is this the point where we're starting to tell the

847
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: truth here? And I think that there's definitely a lot

848
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: of truth in what Javier Bias is said, and me

849
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: and you have both talked about it. While guys are

850
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: playing poorly, booing players can be cringe at times. They're

851
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: definitely trying hard. I'm all for booing guys who were

852
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: dogging in. I don't think anybody on this Mets team

853
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: dogging it by any means, but they've been getting booed NonStop,

854
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: and it's not fair to both sides. I think if

855
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: you're a fan, I understand the booing. They went from

856
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: four and a half games up to seven and a

857
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: half back in third place in the span of a month,

858
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: and that's just horrible. And from a player's perspective, yeah,

859
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: you don't want to get booed because you're likeyeah, we're trying,

860
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: and clearly this isn't gonna help. So let's talk about

861
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: what Javier Bias said, because the exact quote I think

862
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: will start to give you some insight into what or

863
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: why we're being so weird about what we want to

864
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: say here. Okay, so this comes from dshathosar mess new

865
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: thumb down celebration. Javier's response is to fans booing the team,

866
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: We're not machines. We're going to struggle. It just feels

867
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: bad when I strike out and I get booed. We're

868
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: going to do the same thing to them and let

869
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: them know how it feels. Ugh.

870
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: It seems like this is something that some players in

871
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: the Mets might be taking a little bit too personally.

872
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: But on the other side of that, I think getting

873
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: booed so I think that getting booed, it like booing

874
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: as a fan, is pretty counter productive to what you

875
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: actually want. I think it just creates a very uncomfortable

876
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: setting for everything. It's kind of entitled. Honestly, when you're

877
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: a fan and you boo somebody, like I understand, like

878
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: you're paying good money, You're going to the ballpark, and

879
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: the Mets have been playing like dog shit, so you

880
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: will boo. I was at the game, like I said

881
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: last that was Wednesday. There were a lot of booze.

882
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: That's when the fire Rojas chant got going, which I

883
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: think also has played into this rhetoric, I believe. But

884
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: on the other side of the coin, the Mets all

885
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: season have kind of just seemed a little bit tight,

886
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: a little bit off. That's just something we've mentioned a

887
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: lot that when the whole team is slumping consistently, it

888
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: has to be something else happening internally that like kind

889
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: of pulls away from the actual talent and skill level

890
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: on a roster. And I think that you kind of

891
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: need to have like something personal and stupid and kind

892
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: of weird to help rally the troops, Like especially you're

893
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: getting your guy Rojas's back. The guys aren't really New Yorkers.

894
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: They don't really know the vibe of New York sports

895
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: that Mets fans are demanding. And I don't know. I

896
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: just think that I think this is right now already

897
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: only having me said about two hours ago at time

898
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: of recording, being completely blown out of proportion.

899
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Yes and no. And I think it's so it's so

900
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: confusing to say because you picked like a very polarizing

901
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: player on this New York Mets team and hobby or

902
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: bias and in fact one and a new one coming in,

903
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden now it appears to those

904
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: who have this feeling that the Mets are maybe ungrateful

905
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: to the fans or rebelling against the fans. And I

906
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it's that, It's just that it seemed

907
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: like not the right time in place to say something

908
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: like this. Again, I would have preferred that something was

909
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: not said. If they asked about the thumbs down, they

910
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: laugh about it, say ah, it's an inside joke with

911
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: the team, like it goes way back. I think that

912
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: would have been the appropriate way to answer it. But

913
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: also I think you gotta give a little bit of

914
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: respect your buys for at least speaking out on how

915
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: he's feeling, how the team's feeling. I like what he

916
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: said about like we need the fans help, we need

917
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: you to have our back. Like I agree with that.

918
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: I think the fan base should be cheering, should be rooting.

919
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: But in the same regards, it is very, very hard

920
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: to ask a very ornary fan base to cheer for

921
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: a team that has just gone from first to completely

922
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: out of the playoff picture right now. So it's both

923
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: sides of the coin.

924
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: But here's a very compelling question question I'm going to

925
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: ask you. We had this same conversation about three weeks ago,

926
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: but about something completely different about Pee Alonzo using Fane's

927
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: positivity to kind of deflect from how poorly the team

928
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: was playing. So you don't want the Mets to be

929
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: overly positive and you don't want the Mets to be

930
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: consciously negative. I think I think that there's a level

931
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: of this is an authentic answer. There's authenticity in what

932
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: a hobby bye is saying about to say, there's like

933
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: a level of honesty and truthfulness. And that's just because

934
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: I think those guys who have probably now i'm gonna

935
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: say hobby buyers, assumed the leadership role with saying something

936
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: like this, especially given the fact that he has a

937
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: ring and his best friend is the highest paid player

938
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: in the team. And I all say Pete has definitely

939
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: grown into a leadership role this year, won by his

940
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: improved play and two by just trying to be the

941
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: positive force that kind of breaks this lol Mets tradition

942
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: that everyone seems to be have become so fond of.

943
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: We can't really have it both ways. You can't be

944
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: upset when guys are positive. You can't be upset when

945
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: people are truthful about how the negativity affects them. And

946
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Mets fans have killed both

947
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: players and that's not right.

948
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I think the issue

949
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: is with the calling out of the fans. I think

950
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: that's when the fans and the players have a weird relationship.

951
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: In that fans we feel entitled. We paid X amount

952
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: of money to come watch you play and support your team,

953
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: and this is money that you worked hard for and

954
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: it's time. Your time is very valuable, especially for a

955
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: lot of people, and that time especially gotta drive to Queens,

956
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: especially when you got to drive to Queens, and even

957
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: the time to get the money to them pay for

958
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: that game is very valuable. This is something people want

959
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: to go in joy and when they see the team

960
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: play poorly. They're gonna be upset, They're gonna be up,

961
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna be mad. The booing cringe, I one hundred

962
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: percent agree. Unless someone's dogging it no reason to boo.

963
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: But I think where Javier Bayaz unfortunately is going to

964
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: lose a lot of Met fans. I don't think he loses.

965
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: He's not losing either of us. Like, we're still very

966
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: much for this Mets team behind all the players, gonna

967
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: support them as always. But I think unfortunately it's a

968
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a perfect storm. The Mets are playing

969
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: like shit, even though they just came off of two wins,

970
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: but they're really playing like shit really the last month.

971
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: They're struggling to make a playoff spot. This team had

972
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: big expectations. Some of the bigger names on this team

973
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: haven't performed well and they're just getting tired of it.

974
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: So to hear a player almost call out the fan base,

975
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: I can see why people are upset, and it unfortunately

976
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: just came at the way it came out a bad time.

977
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: It was a perfect storm, especially for a guy like

978
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Hovey Bias, who a lot of fans are tired of watching.

979
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Like we talked about earlier, swing at pitches in the

980
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: other batters box. But he's a good player. It's just

981
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I wish something wasn't said. I really do. That's probablyably.

982
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: My only take of this is if you're mad at

983
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: the fans, you're allowed to be mad at the fans.

984
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that's completely fair. But you can't let them know.

985
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the issue.

986
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this remainding as an inside joke among

987
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: the clubhouse and now the Mets getting their weird thing

988
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: to kind of bring everyone together. Like what's that saying

989
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: like everyone's better friends when they hate the lunch lady. Yes,

990
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: you kind of have to do that right now. You

991
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: can't make the fans lunch lady, and you like have

992
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: that be the chip on your shoulder. But again, don't

993
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: just like say it out loud explicitly.

994
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a little more nuanced than like just

995
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: saying it. You got gotta be.

996
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: Smarter also, because it almost felt like clothing in a

997
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: way that they hit super well. But there was also

998
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: against like the Washington Nationals, Like if they could have

999
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: just like had like a massive game against the Giants

1000
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: or Dodgers and they would have said something like this,

1001
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: I would have said, all right, you guys, like put

1002
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: your big boy pants on. You beat one of the

1003
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: best teams in the league, like, sure good. But to

1004
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: score nine runs against the Nationals and be like we

1005
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: got the monkey off our backs, I think is dangerous.

1006
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: So the players that were seeing giving the thumbs down today,

1007
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: three guys Javier by Is, Kevin Pilar, Francisco Lindoor all

1008
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: had pretty good games recently. They've all been playing pretty well.

1009
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Plar, Sotol a couple bases, I think today too,

1010
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: all thumbs down. Jonathan VR thumbs up. This is interesting.

1011
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: Do they get booed when they come back?

1012
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: Maybe it can become like a fun thing the fans

1013
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: just boo the shit. And the Mets are home this

1014
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: week against the Marlins for four games, including like a

1015
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: wonky double Heather on Tuesday. So I guess this will

1016
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: slightly lead into our preview because this is gonna be

1017
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: the resumption of that that we spended game from April.

1018
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: The Stroman, the Haser's Aguilar, just everyone's freaking out. And

1019
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: I also saw a stat this is the longest a

1020
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: suspended game has ever been suspended. Interesting, and April loguets

1021
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: pretty funny. But yeah, it's gonna be a weird double

1022
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: Heather because it's a nine inning game that's starting in

1023
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: the first inning because suspended, and then a seven inning

1024
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: game afterwards, which is bizarre. But I think it could

1025
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: be kind of a fun thing for Mets fans if like,

1026
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: just this is gonna sound weird, but like, boo the

1027
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 2: shit out of everyone. Now, make it like a fun thing,

1028
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: like instead of cheering like boo, like kind of like

1029
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: when you have a guy with a name with two

1030
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: o's and then they're like looo, Like it'll be funny. Bruce.

1031
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you're trying to spin it. That's

1032
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: a good spin zone. Need some vibes, vies and listen.

1033
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: If if given the Mets fans thumbs down and sticking

1034
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: it to us is how the Mets are gonna play

1035
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: better baseball, sign me the fuck up. I'm in. If

1036
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: this is what wakes up the bats, I'm in. The

1037
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: issue is here is that if the Mets play like

1038
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: shit against the Marlins, it is going to get ugly.

1039
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: It's just a can of worms has been opened that

1040
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: didn't need to be.

1041
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: I felt like, also, I feel like it's interesting that

1042
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: the guy who said this was Haave baias the player

1043
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: who's been here for a month as of Tuesday, which

1044
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: is not very long, and he has no contract for

1045
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: next season, and I don't think any Mets fan can

1046
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: confidently say that he will be back. And this comes

1047
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: on the heels of a lot of comments from Lindor

1048
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: early in the season, then just last week that we

1049
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: talked about in this podcast, with fans booing, Steve Cohen tweeting,

1050
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: and people kind of being upset with the player's performance.

1051
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: When Door is locked into this team, he's here for

1052
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: ten more years. He is the face of the franchise.

1053
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: He didn't say this, his best friend said it after

1054
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: we know that Francisco Lindor is offended by booze, after

1055
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: he had those two weeks where he was trying to

1056
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: say that he was not I think that is important.

1057
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: It's such a sticky situation. I just wish it didn't happen.

1058
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: It's really what it comes down to, is like, if

1059
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: that's what you're thinking, I think you gotta hold it back.

1060
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: I think you gotta keep it inside the clubhouse. We've

1061
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: kept so many other things from this team inside the

1062
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: club Donnie Friggin Stevenson. I mean, like, there's been so

1063
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: many inside jokes with this team. Why is this the

1064
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: one that came out?

1065
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: But on top of that, while there's been so many

1066
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: inside jokes, we've had so many weird things with his teams.

1067
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: I feel like they've tried to jolt themselves and get

1068
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: them going. The raccoon Donnie Stevenson, the actual Donna Stevenson

1069
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: that Plonzo brought to the ballpark. The fucking horse Diego

1070
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Caiah die Castillo, fight Hugh Qui. Lebron bought the fucking

1071
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: stuffed horse to the ballpark to try and get guys going.

1072
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: You ride the horse like they haven't been able to

1073
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: figure out anything. These guys have major mental blocks and

1074
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just the guy to get chipping

1075
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: you shoulder and do it. Be the bad boys.

1076
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Fuck it if, like I'll say it again, if be

1077
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: in the bad boys is what this Mets team needs

1078
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: to do in order to play their best. Fucking hate

1079
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: them at fans, I don't care. Play good baseball and

1080
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: the cheers will come. The fans who are booing you

1081
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: will turn the corner just like that. Me and James

1082
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: are not those guys. We've been behind you guys all

1083
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: year long. We're trying to push you guys positively to

1084
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: the next level. Just the performance. It's a performance thing.

1085
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Mets fans are just a little tired of what they've

1086
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: been seeing. I get both sides. I just wish we

1087
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: didn't even have to talk about this.

1088
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an unnecessary discourse and now is gonna lead

1089
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: to tons of ridiculous columns and op eds and editorials

1090
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: and all just fucking nonsense that's gonna be produced in the

1091
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: next couple of days. And we're on a two week

1092
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: span right now where we've lost one of the three

1093
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: Mets beat writers retrust with Tim Britton. I think he's

1094
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: on European vacation or at the wedding or something, but

1095
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: he's radio signed for two weeks. So it's only Desha

1096
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: Decromo versus the world, and I really hope they can

1097
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: maintain the floodgates against the mongoloids of the world.

1098
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is going to be. It sucks. So we

1099
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: just won two games, but it is going to be

1100
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: negative the next twenty four hours. Well, we came back.

1101
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: We had to do a little bit of an emergency

1102
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: recording here because there has been more to this Javier

1103
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Bias comments story, and it's just it's not getting any prettier.

1104
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to do with the players. Really, nobody on

1105
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: the players side did anything wrong. Kevin Pullar responded to

1106
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: a couple fans basically being like, no, we don't hate

1107
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: the fans like it went out. It's not really on

1108
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: the same level that you guys know it. It's not

1109
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: that serious. Blah blah blah. Well, Sandy Alderson, the president

1110
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: of the New York Mets, has come out and he

1111
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: has made some really bad comments. It was just something

1112
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: that didn't need to be said publicly. James, I know

1113
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: you've got it pulled up here, so maybe you could

1114
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: drop a couple of the lines for us.

1115
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that we just talked about, the fact

1116
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: that Hovey's comments did not need to be made. This

1117
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: is that times a million, one hundred million.

1118
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1119
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: The highlights here come in the last two stanzas of

1120
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: Sandy's address to I guess it's to the fans. The

1121
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: statement is addressed to the fans the mongoloids really should

1122
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: have been addressed to the The Mets will not tolerate

1123
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: any player gesture that is unprofessional in its meaning or

1124
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: is directed in a negative way toward our fans. I

1125
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: will be meeting with our players and staff who convey

1126
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: this message directly. Mets fans are loyal, passionate, knowledgeable, and

1127
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: more than willing to express themselves. We love them for

1128
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: every one of these qualities. That is so cringe.

1129
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: It just like it felt like he thought he was

1130
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: doing a grand gesture, which like, he's right. I love

1131
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Mets fans. Obviously we're good people. I think at our

1132
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: core we want a good, winning Mets team, and I

1133
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: do think like there's a decent bit of us that

1134
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: are very knowledgeable and all that kind of stuff. But

1135
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: the weird thing and the weird narratives that's coming out

1136
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: of this statement, which did not need to be made

1137
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: at all, it was so unnecessary, was that basically it's

1138
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: okay for the fans to boo the players. In fact,

1139
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: they're saying they love when the fans basically boo boo

1140
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: the players, but the players cannot show any signs of frustration.

1141
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: I can't believe that they stipulated that this gesture was

1142
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: unprofessional in its meaning. It just thumbs down, Like who cares?

1143
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't that serious. Like, I thought it was just

1144
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: bad that it was talked about, But it wasn't this serious.

1145
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessary of a statement by the team president.

1146
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Cohen didn't even tweet about it. A tweet.

1147
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: I would understand if Steve is like I don't like

1148
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: the thumbsday, even then that might be too much a statement.

1149
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: An official press release by the president of the Mets

1150
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: denouncing what the players said today. While again we both

1151
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: said it shouldn't have been said, this really shouldn't have

1152
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: been said. We it wasn't blown over yet, This wasn't

1153
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: gonna blow over anytime soon. But this has just made

1154
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: it a thousand times worse because now there's a huge

1155
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a huge divide between Sandy and the players.

1156
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: We've even seen Taywan Walker tweet about it now, like,

1157
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: oh brother, this is gonna be fucking painful.

1158
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: This gut released on Medium, the New York Mets medium channel.

1159
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? You run a multi billion

1160
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: dollar operation, you're producing something on that media? What is

1161
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: that shit?

1162
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's bad, and I think we've probably been

1163
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: feeling this for the last few weeks now. Sandy an issue.

1164
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: This is a week. This is a completely different narrative

1165
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: than I expected to take in this episode. But I

1166
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: also didn't expect him to do something so bizarre it

1167
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense.

1168
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: This is the most out of touch Sandy Alderson has

1169
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: been since he was completely out of touch for the

1170
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: entire offseason since baseball started being played. He is I

1171
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: think a lot of people forgot like the absolutely awful

1172
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: offseason pr wise, the Mets had, and now he just

1173
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: has again reminded everyone that he currently doesn't really have

1174
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: his finger on the pulse of the national media, the

1175
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: fan base, his clubhouse, anything anything at all. It seems

1176
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: like he is not fit for this role anymore. I'll

1177
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: say that.

1178
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm starting to believe that too. Just I mean,

1179
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: we talked about the moves that were made this offseason,

1180
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: and granted had been a kind of crazy one for

1181
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: the Mets, but they didn't bring in players that we

1182
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: thought they should have, and now it just doesn't seem

1183
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: like he should be the guy who's running this team

1184
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: where there's clearly going to be a divide between him

1185
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: and the players. Now there's clearly going to be some

1186
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: sort of issue. This is weird because I think this

1187
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: is somehow now united the players and the fans back together,

1188
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like I see pretty much any

1189
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: fan on the side of Sandy here. While they might

1190
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: not have liked Javier Bias's comments, which maybe we fall

1191
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: in that same category. Two here, I feel like everyone

1192
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: agrees that this was a weird step forward. I mean,

1193
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: even with the fans pulse, Like you said, I put

1194
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: out a tweet for a poll, how are we feeling

1195
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: after hearing Javier BIA's comments. This was at eight fourteen,

1196
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: so this was, you know, a good three four hours

1197
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: after the comments. Thirty five percent said I get it,

1198
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: thirty six percent said I don't care, twenty percent said

1199
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: I am mad, and then eight percent said other. And

1200
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: that was with thirty six hundred votes. So yeah, I

1201
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: didn't ask every single MET fan in the world, but

1202
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: it seems like the majority of metfans honestly don't care

1203
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: and maybe even understand with them.

1204
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: But you have to remember your following definitely skews a

1205
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: little bit younger then I'm sure the base that Sandy

1206
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: was trying to make amends with with this comment. It's

1207
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: also just like, why are you trying to alienate a

1208
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: guy you just traded for, Like you just gave up

1209
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: one of the best seven or six best prospects in

1210
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: your entire system, and you're immediately for Javier Bias and

1211
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: you're immediately throwing the guy under the bus at the

1212
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: first stitch of adversity.

1213
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like Javier bias comments. I think that's

1214
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: like obvious, but it's just it was. These are way worse.

1215
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: These are way worse. It is completely thrown under the bus.

1216
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: This is something you do behind closed doors. Nobody needs

1217
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: to hear about it. I don't understand this obsession with

1218
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: the New York Mets and airing their dirty laundry to

1219
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: everybody at the national media. They're like, there's a problem.

1220
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: Let's make it even bigger. Now, let's tell people what's

1221
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: really wrong. Let's make this super tense, because I mean,

1222
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: we're at the point now where Steve Cohen clearly has

1223
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: to have a meeting with these players and it's gonna be, like,

1224
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be a little ugly, I would assume.

1225
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: And this also completely counteracts every single thing I said

1226
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: that could possibly positive about this is like giving the

1227
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: players like a weird thing to like lean back on.

1228
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Just some Zandy shit.

1229
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: What we just got a Steve Cohen tweet.

1230
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: Nice break, We just got a.

1231
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: Steve Coen tweet breaking news ten thirty five. I missed

1232
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: the days when the biggest controversy was the black jerseys.

1233
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of funny, classic Steve Cohen. He the

1234
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 2: jokes there.

1235
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I like, I think that's a is it a good response?

1236
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: I like it. I feel like it just kind of

1237
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: like makes it seem like he might not have really

1238
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: been behind what Sandy said that it shouldn't be this serious.

1239
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: That's a non serious tweet, which makes me believe that

1240
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't really care that much.

1241
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: But then, how could Sandy have.

1242
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Said this because he's the president of the team, So

1243
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: you don't think that.

1244
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: I think the president contacted the owner before releasing a

1245
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: public statement on behalf of the organization that said owner owns.

1246
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I would hope he did. But I feel

1247
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: like Steve Cohen has said he wants to be kind

1248
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: of hands off and that he he kind of gave

1249
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: Sandy the keys to run it.

1250
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he hands off at all, based on

1251
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: what we've actually seen. That was something that was said

1252
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: over six months ago.

1253
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's weird. Everything's so weird right

1254
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: now in Mets World. It was it's been a weird month.

1255
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: This is the weirdest ending to a Mets month we've had,

1256
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: and I can't even remember the last time it's been

1257
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: this strange in Mets World. Like we have a player

1258
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: calling out the fans. The fans are a little mad,

1259
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: but they also get it. They also understand there's some

1260
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: sympathy or sympathy on both sides here. And just when

1261
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: it starts to kind of seem like it's dying in

1262
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: the national news, like it's obviously still gonna be headlines,

1263
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: but it seems like the conversation is stopped, Sandy Alderson

1264
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: comes out and makes this pre this press release and

1265
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: just completely throws the team under the bus. Thinking that

1266
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: he's like just like protecting the fans, but ah, so weird, man, it.

1267
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: Seems like it doesn't even seem like he didn't protect

1268
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: the fans. I feel like he did this for that

1269
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: small sector of fans who are like kind of mean

1270
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 2: and entitled and ornery, the exact type of people that

1271
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: we started this podcast to try and phase out of

1272
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Mets World. The people who just are gonna be miserable

1273
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: no matter what, so why are you catering to them?

1274
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: It's super weird when you see I know, not necessarily

1275
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not the biggest fan of this guy, but KFC,

1276
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: you have a super normal take. I will say this

1277
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: Mets fans have exposed themselves is the absolute worst of

1278
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: the worst in MLB this season. If there's one thing

1279
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: I would love, it would be for the team to

1280
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: go on a run while telling the asshole fans the

1281
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: fuck off. That would be my dream. While I don't

1282
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: think that the Mets fans have exposed themselves as the

1283
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: worst fan base in baseball, like, I think that's a

1284
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: little drastic. I think the idea of the Mets going

1285
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: on a run telling the asshole fans, which it seems

1286
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: like that's who Sandy was trying to protect here, to

1287
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: fuck off. I mean, this might even be more fire

1288
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: to add or fuel to add to the fire. Now, Like,

1289
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: this is what bizarro world do we live in? I

1290
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: thought this is a Willpond problem. This is a Willpon

1291
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: thing that's happening right now, and it's happening under Coen.

1292
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: It's so strange.

1293
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: It's it's not that strange. It's been happening for the

1294
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Now, this is kind of we're

1295
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: just stuck in the same rut that we've always been

1296
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: inside of. We should have known something was wrong when

1297
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: it's spring training the Mets caught the ball when they

1298
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: were shagging flies and pretended like it was Game seven

1299
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: of the World's and have a full on celebration on

1300
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: the field Like this shit. I don't even know where

1301
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: like the mental state of any of the people in

1302
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: this organization are at.

1303
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: I don't I will say people are not happy about

1304
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen's sweet.

1305
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, why would anybody be super happy about

1306
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: the owners just like cracking jokes when the team is

1307
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: going to shit and the players are openly fuding with

1308
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: the fans and the president is openly telling them what

1309
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: they can and cannot do with their hands.

1310
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: So bizarre, man, this is so weird. I hate that

1311
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: we had to come back and talk about this. You

1312
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: texted me, You're like, we gotta get back on the mics,

1313
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm seeing it right now, And then

1314
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you thinking of? Like, we

1315
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: gotta do it, because somehow this story has gotten even crazier.

1316
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one. What a fucking year to be a

1317
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Mets fan.

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: I almost feel like I could still get crazier, Like,

1319
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen.

1320
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: There's a good chance we come back here. There might

1321
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: be a random drop at some point midweek when Sandy

1322
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: gets fired, Sandy gets relieved of his duties. Something's happening.

1323
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel like this is the end of the

1324
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: story here. I feel like there's gonna be more. I

1325
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: just I'm afraid to see what that next step is

1326
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: going to be.

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00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen the next game?

1328
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: Do you think the Mets are going to do the

1329
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: thumbs down thing?

1330
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: The players weird take, the fans do thumbs down too.

1331
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: Everyone just joins it, and maybe Sandy is reunifying the

1332
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: players and the fans by doing something incredibly dumb.

1333
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was saying earlier. I'm like, is

1334
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: this a weird way that this is somehow bringing the

1335
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: fans and the players back together after there was a

1336
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: little bit divide today? Is that possible? Am I trying

1337
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: to spin zone this thing too much?

1338
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: It's like a Phil Jackson tactic.

1339
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: It is it's like some zen Master shit over there.

1340
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: That's two thousand IQ. But I just I don't want

1341
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: to give Sandy credit for that. I don't think it

1342
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: is I don't think that was his plan at all.

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00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: I think his plan, like you said, was to get

1344
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: the people who were furious that honestly, like whatever, who cares,

1345
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: seemed like the average fan didn't like what they said

1346
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: but got over it pretty quickly.

1347
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: It's almost like this story would have been a nice

1348
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: thirty six hour thing until we played the next game,

1349
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: and now it has become headline National News Sports Center. First,

1350
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: take Skip and Shannon. Everyone's gonna be talking about this

1351
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: on Monday morning now, one of the few Monday mornings

1352
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: we have left before we get swept up into the

1353
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: mess of football.

1354
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: This is a very reminiscent of the early nineties teams

1355
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: where there was a lot of players that the fans

1356
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: didn't like and the players didn't like the fans. This

1357
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: is getting really ugly. It's just not looking good in

1358
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 1: Mets world right now. Remember when the team was fun,

1359
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Remember when we were gonna hang banners for great chemistry

1360
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: and being fun.

1361
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: That's last episode.

1362
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: It was the last episode. It feels like a completely

1363
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: different world right now.

1364
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if all the players inside the clubhouse are unified,

1365
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: or if they were before the Sandy Ologis statement, because

1366
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: now I'm sure they are. But I wonder if everybody

1367
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: was on board with this thumbs down fan thing, because

1368
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: it seemed like there might have been something of a

1369
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: divide within just because not everyone was doing it.

1370
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: I think something like this definitely brings the team together.

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00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: I think if there was any division, I think that somehow,

1372
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: some way this is helping that, which again that can't

1373
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: possibly have been. Sandy's goal was to be like a

1374
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: make the enemy so that everyone gets together because you

1375
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: all hate one person, you hate the same person. So

1376
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: your friend's a friend of a was it? A friend

1377
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: of an enemy.

1378
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: Is an even if my enemy is my friend?

1379
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: There it is. Yes, that's that's the saying. I don't know, man,

1380
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: I really I don't know what to do anymore right now.

1381
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: This is not what I expected to do. On the podcast,

1382
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I saw two wins by the Mets against the Nationalist stay.

1383
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: I went, hey, nice, we could be a little positive today.

1384
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: We could talk about all the things that the Mets did. Right,

1385
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy and this has turned into a

1386
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: two recording episode, which we've never done before.

1387
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, never on accident.

1388
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, never on accident. But oh man, all right,

1389
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep listening. We're gonna keep looking out seeing

1390
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: how this thing goes. Not having a game on Monday

1391
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: against the Marlins, which will now lead us into that

1392
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: series preview is a positive and a negative. A positive

1393
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: because there's kind of a day off, everyone kind of

1394
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: gets to relax, deep breath, it's gonna be okay. Negative,

1395
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: there's another twenty four hours that this story's gonna fester

1396
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: and we will not have a single comment until then.

1397
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: That is, the media is gonna run wild with this.

1398
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: You know how we stop it. We play well against

1399
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: the Marlins, So what are our pitching matchups looking like?

1400
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: How are we matching up against this Marlins team who

1401
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: is not good, but they're good enough to beat us,

1402
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

1403
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to find a preview of the

1404
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: matchups because there is nowhere that the two games on

1405
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: Tuesday are listed. Both fangrass, ESPN, LB dot com have

1406
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: a listed his one game because it's a pre it's

1407
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: a resumption of a suspended game, so I'm sure Taiwan

1408
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: Walker is going to start that game because Tuesday is

1409
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: his day, so I'd rather him start the nine inning

1410
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: game than the seven inning game. He's going to be

1411
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: opposed probably by Edward Cabrera, the Marlins new rookie.

1412
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: He's got some six stuff.

1413
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. He's six stuff, but it didn't really

1414
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: show up as like six to Sick in his debut.

1415
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: It wasn't really getting many withs or many strikeouts. And

1416
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: the slider that's come to the majors and has assumedly

1417
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: been plus plus just looked fine. Yeah, he has an

1418
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: electric fastball and he mixed it and change up, so

1419
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: he's a good pitcher. And then the second the second game,

1420
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: there's a chance that this is when Trevor Rodgers is

1421
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: activated after he's dealt with Slewth family emergencies, and he's

1422
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: going to be opposed by probably Trevor Williams in the

1423
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: seven inning game, or maybe the Marlins will flop that

1424
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: and have Trevor ready for the nine inning game the

1425
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Cabrera for the seven inning game. But those are likely

1426
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: to Marleins pitchers to see on Tuesday, So those guys

1427
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: are both pretty electric. I would say generally the Marlins

1428
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: might have the pitching avtage of both of those games.

1429
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: If Rogers opposes Walker.

1430
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers beat us in a shoutout against Jacob de

1431
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: Gramme earlier this year, so he's a very very solid

1432
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: pitcher if he's on the mount.

1433
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: He is sick. This month off is probably taken him

1434
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: out of the Rookie of the Year running and it's

1435
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: a benefit to the Mets that we're going to get

1436
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: to see him first after a month off, So that's

1437
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: not that bad. Then on Wednesday, we've got Carlos Carrasco

1438
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: facing off against Zach Thompson. Zach Thompson who had a

1439
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: very good start to his career as a starter, but

1440
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: it has really just not missed any bats in the

1441
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: last three weeks. He's doing those like three walk five

1442
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: strikeout games. Yeah, two walks four strikeout games. So you

1443
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: got to get to this guy, put the battle on

1444
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 2: the ball, put them play, get past Carls Carrasco's first

1445
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: sitting home runs course and runs for the boy as

1446
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: he continues to ascend. And then Thursday series will close

1447
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: out Rich Hill vers Sandy Alcantra and Sandy's sick. Yeah,

1448
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: that's a bad matchup for the Mets. He's crushed the

1449
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: Mets a few times, even when he wasn't very good.

1450
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: He used to handle the Mets with ease, and now

1451
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: he's taking another step this season as he has for

1452
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: basically the last three years as a pitcher. Marlins, for

1453
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: all their warts, have an incredible pitching staff, a wealth of.

1454
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: Options, which is like, kind of the worst thing that

1455
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: we could run into is good pitching we need If

1456
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: we can't hit Palo Espino again, it's gonna be tough

1457
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: to hit guys like Sandy Alcintara and Edward Cabrera. But listen,

1458
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: the Mets. They ended the series hot against the Nationals.

1459
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep it positive here as there's been

1460
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of negative this episode because of you know,

1461
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: some comments that have been made. But I'm gonna try

1462
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: to keep it positive. This Mets team, maybe this is

1463
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: what they needed. Maybe they needed a little edge, Maybe

1464
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: they need a chip on their shoulder. Like you said, James,

1465
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: they needed something and it has been working these last

1466
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: few games. Let's keep it going against this Miami Marlins team.

1467
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: You gotta take three or four. You gotta take three

1468
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: or four to have a shot. Still, there's no more

1469
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: games left. We're getting to the final month of the

1470
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: season here, We're getting into September. If you want to

1471
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: make up seven and a half with what twenty thirty left,

1472
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: thirty two, Yeah, seven and a half of thirty two

1473
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: games left, you're gonna need to win almost all of them.

1474
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be an exciting last month of the

1475
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Season's gonna be exciting to see how this Mets team

1476
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: reacts when they get back in Cityfield on Tuesday against

1477
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: the Marlins. Will be interesting to see how the fans react,

1478
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: and of course we will be talking about it as

1479
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,400
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1480
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,280
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1485
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,400
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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm gonna wrap it up here,

1489
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Episode number forty five, the Pedro Martinez episode. Thank you

1490
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: guys for listening, Thank you Aus for watching. He'll see

1491
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: you on the next episode of the Mets Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's out, thanks to everyone. See you latery new new,

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Speaker 1: new