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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Bill Konkoleski is back again with us, the

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Speaker 1: director of Michigan mouf On. Hey Bill, Hey m We

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Speaker 1: got to the gun into the conversation last time, and

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Speaker 1: I said I was going to have you back, so

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Speaker 1: I but I didn't know it was going to be

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Speaker 1: this fast. But I'm so glad you made time for us.

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Speaker 1: I don't hope to finday the thirteenth, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? I guess it is. No. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: it sort of crossed over here into Saturday, but I

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Speaker 1: forgot it was really the thirteenth, which turned out to

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Speaker 1: be a really good day for me. All right, So Bill,

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Speaker 1: last we left it, we had a conversation about the

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Speaker 1: the Moskegan sightings in the episode that was in Unsolved Mysteries, right,

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Speaker 1: and we discussed the possibility that as a result of

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Speaker 1: that particular episode that you would be hearing from or

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Speaker 1: the show would be hearing from other people that would

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Speaker 1: be updating them or passing along new tapes or new estimony,

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Speaker 1: people who had been sort of waiting for somebody else

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Speaker 1: to break the ice on the subject, had was there

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Speaker 1: any more of a ps to that episode in Unsolved Mysteries. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have gotten some light detail sightings to

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Speaker 1: follow up a lot of me too in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw the same thing that others saw

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Speaker 1: that night. There was a gentleman who worked for a

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Speaker 1: news one of the news channels in Kalamazoo, Michigan, that

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Speaker 1: he had watched a display for like fifteen minutes from Kalamazoo,

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Speaker 1: and that he's fairly certain that the news station still

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Speaker 1: has some video of it. Oh cool, I'm hoping to

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Speaker 1: get ahold of that. So that was kind of cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's been a bump in just the visibility

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Speaker 1: of the Mutual UFOLO network. And you know there's a

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Speaker 1: lot that is constantly out there in the news of

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Speaker 1: course as well. That always lately has been bumping up

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Speaker 1: our siding. So we've been pretty busy investigating. Glad to

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Speaker 1: hear it. Well, you've got, you know, all of the

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Speaker 1: bona fides on this subject, and you treat it as

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Speaker 1: one should, with a certain amount of scientific detachment as

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Speaker 1: opposed to breathless zelotry. That oh yes, we got another one.

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Speaker 1: You know, you you you investigate and you are like

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon Committee. It seems Moufon has a reputation for

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Speaker 1: being willing to dismiss things once they've been investigated, and

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Speaker 1: you don't go chasing your tail. But I have to

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Speaker 1: say this story, this new one that came out from

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon, has been a little bit of a head scratcher.

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Speaker 1: So help help us try to understand it for people

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Speaker 1: who haven't followed it. You know, everybody's sort of waiting

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Speaker 1: for the latest on UAPs from the Pentagon, and they

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Speaker 1: gave an update to their preliminary assessment, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: still like it's like an addendum to the preliminary and

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Speaker 1: the annual report does give new details about some of

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Speaker 1: what's been going on with the do D. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at the article by Tim Bannal which is at Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast am dot com, and they talk about the

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Speaker 1: dods All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office ero A R Oh

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Speaker 1: have you had much interface with them? Oh? No, not directly, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Um and yeah, they have a very interesting name, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I get it. Yeah right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So they received an additional three hundred and sixty six

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Speaker 1: cases since the twenty twenty one preliminary assessment, So they

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Speaker 1: got three hundred and sixty six more to sort through,

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Speaker 1: bringing the total number of UAP accounts collected by that office,

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Speaker 1: Arrow bringing that up to five ten And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna read with what how Tim assessed this? In

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Speaker 1: noting the increase in reports, the office seemed to indicate

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Speaker 1: that this did not necessarily mean that there were suddenly

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Speaker 1: more UFOs in the skies, but that witnesses were now

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Speaker 1: the potential risks that it poses. Breaking down their investigation

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Speaker 1: into the fresh batch of reports, Arrow revealed that their

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Speaker 1: analysis quote judged more than half as exhibiting quote unremarkable characteristics.

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Speaker 1: To that end, they explained that twenty six of those

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Speaker 1: sightings were drones, one hundred and sixty three were characterized

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Speaker 1: But of the remaining one hundred seventy one cases, and

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Speaker 1: some sort of conclusive dismissal right and right and so

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Speaker 1: They they put out this report and say that one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one of these sightings from the recent

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Speaker 1: But you know, this report is going to be forgotten

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Speaker 1: give me something out of that one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that, and it's but instead it's just

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Speaker 1: here's a number. Move along. Nothing to see here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But okay, I remember I don't know if we remember

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Speaker 1: But Jack Anderson, the famous columnist, was doing a series

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Speaker 1: the point that you could take five hundred psychics, put

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Speaker 1: So if that's true, then one hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 1: is even much more significant. About half of those remaining

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Speaker 1: But one hundred seventy one is an enormous number statistically speaking,

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Speaker 1: sixty six, he would be a lock for Cooper's right.

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Speaker 1: enjoy this kind of skeptical community and explain or begin

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Speaker 1: have a much greater percentage of identification. Yeah, and in

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Speaker 1: it just really seems like sloppy work. And you know,

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Speaker 1: It's you know, when you're a hands on field investigator,

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Speaker 1: though there's only a tiny percentage that are unexplained. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of really great sightings in that small

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Speaker 1: percentage that you know, is like what you were talking

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Speaker 1: about with the file cabinet, you know, Michigan we get

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Speaker 1: in about two hundred sightings a year, but um, that

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Speaker 1: Project Signed, Project Rudge. Like you are in a field

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Speaker 1: the earliest efforts into this. They just really didn't seem

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Speaker 1: get any good details out of those missing numbers, probably,

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