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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles, who have the best personnel in the NFL,
Speaker 1: the best roster since probably about the Niners three years ago.
Speaker 1: But the Eagles have a much better O line and
Speaker 1: they're much better at quarterback. I don't know how Buffalo,
Speaker 1: if they get to the Super Bowl, is going to
Speaker 1: stop this. It's going to stop this offense they they today.
Speaker 1: I mean Washington obviously helped multiple fumbles, three fumbles, but
Speaker 1: this roster is insane. I mean I went into this
Speaker 1: game thinking winner of the AFC is super Bowl champs.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's how good Philadelphia's roster is. You forget
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith is on the team.
Speaker 2: They have to.
Speaker 1: Engineer jet sweeps and little clever misdirection plays to get
Speaker 1: in the ball. Otherwise you forget he'd be a number
Speaker 1: one on a dozen teams in the NFL, number one receiver.
Speaker 1: You forget he's on the team. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: to work to get the ball to aj Brown, who's
Speaker 1: a top five wide receiver talent in the NFL. Between
Speaker 1: Goddard Barkley Hurts, it's just again, it's they have an
Speaker 1: elite player at running back, two at guard, two at tackle,
Speaker 1: two at receiver, one at tight end, one at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I think both their corners are really good. It is
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts makes just enough, just enough big throws
Speaker 1: that you got to play him. Honest, he's he's I
Speaker 1: think Jayden Daniels is better from the pocket. I think
Speaker 1: Greg Cosel's been telling us all year, but he makes
Speaker 1: he makes just you know, eighteen yard throws good in
Speaker 1: the red zone.
Speaker 2: It just this team is just insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about let's go back to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season when the Giants allowed saque Arkley free
Speaker 1: agent to go to Philadelphia, and we said it at
Speaker 1: the time, it is this is as bad as GMing
Speaker 1: gets Joe Shane of the Giants. It doesn't get any
Speaker 1: worse than that. I always thought Reggie White to the Packers'
Speaker 1: greatest free agent acquisition, Drew Brees to the Saints. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brady wasn't in Tampa long. Pretty damn good, right, Peyton
Speaker 1: manning the Denver this feels like it's in the same class.
Speaker 1: I mean, to let them go to your division rival,
Speaker 1: I don't even I congrats on Joe Shane retaining his job.
Speaker 1: It's as bad as it gets, and you could see
Speaker 1: it coming from a mile away. This is Babe Ruth
Speaker 1: to the Yankees. You could see it coming from yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was like a slow heavyweight fighter's right hook. Jerry Quarry,
Speaker 1: look that one up telegraphed Philadelphia is a handful.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: There's just not much out there I've ever seen like it.
Speaker 1: There are drives throughout the course of a game, and
Speaker 1: there are halfs for the Eagles that you just don't
Speaker 1: know how anybody ever stops them. You know, Washington, you
Speaker 1: know they'll sputter initially because you know, a defense has
Speaker 1: all sorts of energy. But have you noticed what they're
Speaker 1: doing in the second half. It just they wear people out.
Speaker 1: They just wear teams out. That's why I said what
Speaker 1: the Rams did in snow for an indoor team to be,
Speaker 1: you know, have a chance to win the game late
Speaker 1: is insane. That like, keep your eye on the Rams
Speaker 1: next year, because I mean, there was a point in
Speaker 1: the second half I thought, okay, they're down fourteen points,
Speaker 1: they're still in it, and maybe without the mistakes they
Speaker 1: would be. But it is, you know, both teams we're
Speaker 1: in the top ten in the NFL and ten plus
Speaker 1: play drives, and Washington's opening eighteen play drive, I thought
Speaker 1: I would have gone for it. By the way, my
Speaker 1: take is take twenty two plays, score a touchdown, get
Speaker 1: into Philly's head. I mean, you have to take chances
Speaker 1: like the fake punt. You have to take chances against Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: You don't have the same personnel.
Speaker 2: You're on the road.
Speaker 1: The fake punt. I would have gone for it in
Speaker 1: that opening drive, just just twenty two plays in a touchdown,
Speaker 1: get into Philly's head. You're not getting into anybody's head
Speaker 1: when you settled for a field goal. But I feel
Speaker 1: like in this game, I did not feel the Eagles
Speaker 1: were under coached. Now, mid second quarter, when Barkley only
Speaker 1: had three carries, I'm like, let's go, let's not outthink
Speaker 1: the room. But I think Philadelphia is coached well enough
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl, and their personals insane. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm thinking of the last roster that
Speaker 1: was this good, the Seahawks, when the Seahawks had Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson on a rookie contract and they went and got
Speaker 1: Cliff Averell to rushed the passer and Percy Harvin as
Speaker 1: a gadget player. I mean, they barely played Percy Harvin
Speaker 1: because he had those migrat headaches that Seattle team had.
Speaker 1: They had just so they had a great player in
Speaker 1: every unit, safety, corner, pass rusher, weapon, elusive quarterback, start,
Speaker 1: running back. Old lines back then were better, probably the
Speaker 1: best at Pete Carroll's NFL coaching career. So I think
Speaker 1: Philadelphia I worry that Jalen Hurts will be forced to
Speaker 1: play from behind. I don't love him there, but you
Speaker 1: know what, he's good enough. He's good enough. This roster
Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. Now, good news for Washington. You're going
Speaker 1: to be back in this game several times over the
Speaker 1: next decade if Jade Daniels stays healthy. Terry McLaurin sixteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns this year. That's as much as or more than
Speaker 1: the last three years combined. So we've always said quarterback
Speaker 1: leads the receiver. You can have the world's best receivers.
Speaker 1: You can go get Larry Fitzgerald when he had better quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You put have better numbers in Arizona. So you know,
Speaker 1: Terry mclaurin's always been good, he's a great player. Now
Speaker 1: spec tact their player quarterback drives the wide receiver. So Washington,
Speaker 1: I think is well coached. Cliff Kingsbury, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: should remain in Washington. Several years, play out your contract
Speaker 1: until there's a great job opening. There really isn't. I
Speaker 1: thought New England was about as good a job opening
Speaker 1: as you're going to have to ownership. Drake may decent
Speaker 1: defensive personnel, but if I was Cliff Kingsbury, stay put.
Speaker 2: And I remember.
Speaker 1: Before the draft, I was lucky. I had a really
Speaker 1: good source that said Washington is going to draft Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of questions about Drake may going
Speaker 1: to and I, you know, I'll say this. I was
Speaker 1: told very early Kingsbury pounded the table for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1: He saw him, he thought, this is the offense. I'll
Speaker 1: mold this guy very quickly. And two weeks into camp
Speaker 1: I was told that Kingsbury was like, he's better than
Speaker 1: I thought, and the kids spectacular. He's so good from
Speaker 1: the pocket, so clever, so smart, and he has a
Speaker 1: quality that you could confuse it with being emotionally remote,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't. He's not somebody that is high spirits
Speaker 1: and high fiving. I think that wears well. I think
Speaker 1: his ability. He doesn't pout, he doesn't sol, that's different,
Speaker 1: but he is emotionally into the moment. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't see his emotion. He doesn't wear it. And I
Speaker 1: think that temperament is so important. Listen, Baker Mayfield has
Speaker 1: done a great redemption to her. He wears his emotion
Speaker 1: on his sleeve, and because of that, he throws a
Speaker 1: lot of picks and he's reckless. I love Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: Sam Donald gets very emotional amped up. You don't get
Speaker 1: that with Jaden and Daniels. It's just same temperament, and
Speaker 1: that is going to pay major dividends. I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was overwhelmed. He didn't have half the team. He's
Speaker 1: got one weapon. He's got Austin Eckler, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean zach Ertz good players. But I mean mclaurin's
Speaker 1: a special player. So I got realms and reams and
Speaker 1: notes that I'll get to more of the Eagles with
Speaker 1: the former Eagle scout John Middlkoff later. But that fourth
Speaker 1: and twelve they went for it when Daniels got sacked
Speaker 1: in the fourth corner.
Speaker 2: That was all she wrote.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, I'm you're watching the same thing I
Speaker 1: am with Philadelphia. Sweet Jesus, is this roster insane? It
Speaker 1: will be the best roster in the Super Bowl. It
Speaker 1: will be the best roster I can think of except
Speaker 1: for the Niners. And I won't even say that. The
Speaker 1: Niners were not this stacked on the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: Hurts is a better quarterback. But in the red zone,
Speaker 1: good night, you pick your poison.
Speaker 2: Good night.
Speaker 1: I get the tush push, actually is you can at
Speaker 1: least when they run the tush push, you know the direction,
Speaker 1: the dimension where Philadelphia is going. They have the ability.
Speaker 1: They have a couple drives today and you're sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking to yourself, and I like to guess the call
Speaker 1: before the play. I mean my entire life watching football,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kind of guess what they're doing. I
Speaker 1: can never guess Philadelphia except the tushpush. That's the only
Speaker 1: time I know what they're doing. But when I think
Speaker 1: they should go to Saquon, they don't. And then I
Speaker 1: think where's Devonte Smith and they get it to him.
Speaker 1: I mean, a gutsy call on fourth down they throw
Speaker 1: it up to sideline to aj Brann. That would have
Speaker 1: been the last thing I would have been visioned or predicted.
Speaker 1: So the play calling today I thought was really good.
Speaker 1: I'm just not a fan of the tushbush congrats to
Speaker 1: the Commanders for remarkable season and drafting. What I believe
Speaker 1: is the Patrick Mahomes of the NFC for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: When I look at Kansas City and I look at
Speaker 1: that front seven defensively, and I look at Brett Veach's
Speaker 1: drafting and I look at Howie Roseman's drafting, is you know, GMS,
Speaker 1: we don't pay a lot a lot of attention outside
Speaker 1: of moneyball. We don't pay attention. I mean the Dodgers
Speaker 1: just go buy the best players, right. We don't talk
Speaker 1: about Andrew Friedman, even though he's excellent. It's mostly there
Speaker 1: in baseball. We talked about how much money can Steve
Speaker 1: Cohen spend in the NBA. Once you draft a star,
Speaker 1: the GM's just trying to find rotational guys around the star.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, there is a gap in quality of
Speaker 1: general managers, and to me, not just because their teams
Speaker 1: are good. I think how he Rollsman's one. I think
Speaker 1: Brett Veech's two depending on the draft. And I don't
Speaker 1: think I love Andy Reid, but in Philadelphia he didn't
Speaker 1: have this kind of talent. I mean it took Brett
Speaker 1: a couple of years to get this receiving core right.
Speaker 1: Remember that's the hardest position to draft in the first round.
Speaker 1: It has the most misses in the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: But I think they're buttoned up now going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing when I got to Philadelphia I learned
Speaker 3: is O line D line comes first. And in my
Speaker 3: four years of drafts when I first got there, Brandon
Speaker 3: Graham was our first round pick. My second year, Danny Watkins,
Speaker 3: he was a flop, but he was offensive lineman, first
Speaker 3: round pick, Fletcher Cox's first round pick, Lane Johnson first
Speaker 3: round pick. You know, was not saying you can't draft
Speaker 3: other positions, but that's where you win in this league
Speaker 3: is on the fronts, and I mean that's been a
Speaker 3: separating factor for the Eagles. Think about this too. It's
Speaker 3: not like Andy doesn't love skill guys. He wants traded
Speaker 3: for Terrell Owens. He drafted to Shawn Jackson. He loved
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. But they had a tough decision a couple
Speaker 3: of years back when it came to Tyreek Hill, and
Speaker 3: what did they do. They traded him so they could
Speaker 3: go all in on Chris Jones. They chose one of
Speaker 3: the two guys, and they not only chose the right guy.
Speaker 3: Then they parlayed that in the McDuffie and Karlovskis. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean Bill Belichick could have drafted Karloskis, he traded
Speaker 3: out so Andy Reid could trade up and get him.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you had Karloskis to go with Chris Jones,
Speaker 3: to go with a great coordinator, to go with a
Speaker 3: fantastic secondary, and the one thing the Chiefs en listened.
Speaker 3: It starts with Kelsey and Mahomes, but they just have
Speaker 3: a lot of high level, high football IQ tough guys.
Speaker 3: It's not actually this sexy like there's not a bunch
Speaker 3: of Jerry Rice's and Ray Lewis's. I mean, it's not
Speaker 3: the sexiest like NFL films all time great sound bites.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of old school, boring, high level cats
Speaker 3: who you know, the one thing and listen, I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people in that organization were not a
Speaker 3: place where you get to sit in the training room
Speaker 3: on Wednesday and Thursday. Our guys practice. Obviously, if you're
Speaker 3: legitimately insured, you don't have to practice, but this is
Speaker 3: not like we coast through once the season. Listen, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of players You're like, yeah, here, this
Speaker 3: guy doesn't practice much during the week and has it
Speaker 3: in years that shit doesn't fly there and their star
Speaker 3: got Travis Kelsey's like the hardest practicing guy on the team.
Speaker 3: In fairness, Tyreek always was for them too, but it
Speaker 3: just got so expensive and they really value that. And
Speaker 3: I'd say it.
Speaker 2: Shows right well, and II.
Speaker 3: Belichick did too, and they had twenty years of kicking
Speaker 3: everyone's ass.
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Speaker 1: I talked to a guy about this. He said, be
Speaker 1: careful when you live in a port city like a
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Speaker 1: All right, let's pivot to the Eagles fifty five The
Speaker 1: Commander's twenty three. So I mean listen, I think I
Speaker 1: bet the Eagle. This was my favorite bet the last
Speaker 1: two weeks have been the Eagles. I like the Eagles,
Speaker 1: I like the over.
Speaker 2: So I hit on that.
Speaker 1: And my take is, I think we just have to
Speaker 1: be Washington today was a better story than a team
Speaker 1: is that they were missing their best D linemen, their
Speaker 1: best O lineman. Jaden Daniels is a remarkable player. Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: I mean, this kid, now what finally has help? But
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but watch that game and is the
Speaker 1: game war on? It felt like you were watching a
Speaker 1: major league team and a great Triple A team like
Speaker 1: Washington just didn't.
Speaker 2: Have the players.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, you know, it would be
Speaker 1: one thing to say, hey, Washington had a great effort,
Speaker 1: but I thought they I mean, they had their fumbles,
Speaker 1: they had multiple turnovers. They reminded me a little of
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. They just aren't quite there yet. They
Speaker 1: need another draft, they have a lot of cap space,
Speaker 1: they need about four free agents, three to four starters
Speaker 1: in the draft, and then that game's going to look different.
Speaker 1: But I just felt you were I just felt physically
Speaker 1: Philly is so big. I mean, aj Brown is a
Speaker 1: tight end on Washington. They're so big, they're so physical,
Speaker 1: and Washington has two great players McLaurin and Jade Daniels,
Speaker 1: several good players, and two of their good players were
Speaker 1: out the old linement and paying the d linement.
Speaker 3: Well, I heard a stat that the turnover discrepancy of
Speaker 3: teams that had won in the playoffs and teams they
Speaker 3: lost in the playoffs coming into this weekend was twenty
Speaker 3: one to three. So if you told me to start
Speaker 3: the game that Washington was gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 3: turnovers and fumbles and the Eagles were not, I would
Speaker 3: say they have no chance because it's pretty evident how
Speaker 3: good Jayden Daniels is Like in texting people to Philly,
Speaker 3: they think he's like a thirty year old all pro.
Speaker 3: That's what they were preparing for. Those were the words
Speaker 3: coming out of Fangio. That's how they approached the game
Speaker 3: plan week But when I looked at the matchup, there
Speaker 3: might be under two players for Washington that start for Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Two players Terry McLaurin and I'm not counting Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3: So you just the talent discreptancy, Like the Bills, Chiefs
Speaker 3: got more players that would start for the Bills, but
Speaker 3: the Bills still have a lot of high level guys,
Speaker 3: So it might be forty five, fifty five or forty sixty.
Speaker 3: We're talking like ninety five to five that in that game.
Speaker 3: And as that game went and they started fumbling, it's
Speaker 3: just like, you, you can't do this on the road.
Speaker 3: So like, honestly, I think they're two years away from
Speaker 3: being even remotely close to a team like Philly, And honestly,
Speaker 3: like when the Lions are healthy and some of these
Speaker 3: other teams, I mean, they have such a head start.
Speaker 3: This was just to make the playoffs and be a
Speaker 3: one and done would have been the most incredible story
Speaker 3: we've ever seen. I think it's crazy. And the game
Speaker 3: really got away from Washington toward the end of the
Speaker 3: third early in the fourth quarter. I think Jayden Daniels
Speaker 3: a remarkable player. I think he's one of the best
Speaker 3: players I've ever seen, given the circumstances of the team
Speaker 3: he's playing within his age.
Speaker 1: Remember remember when Andrew Luck got the Colts to the
Speaker 1: AFC Championship, I think against New England and they got
Speaker 1: the shit kicked out of him, and you were like,
Speaker 1: this is That's what I felt like. I like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this quarter Now, I think it was in
Speaker 1: Luck's third fourth.
Speaker 3: It was third because he because he went to the
Speaker 3: playoffs his first three years and he got farther each year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it was so I felt the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, this young quarterback is really good, but
Speaker 1: this roster has no business being in the AFC Championship. Washington.
Speaker 1: Washington's roster is not as good. It's not as good
Speaker 1: as Green Bays. It's not as good as the Rain,
Speaker 1: It's not as good overall as the Seahawks, the Lions,
Speaker 1: so Minnesota. So it's a great story. You know, I
Speaker 1: wrote down a lot of different things during this game,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's weird. When it comes to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, I feel like he's faster than Walter Peyton
Speaker 1: and maybe not as strong as Peyton. He's definitely not
Speaker 1: as clever or shifty as Barry Sanders, but he's clever
Speaker 1: and shifty. But he really is. He really is an
Speaker 1: ald timer. I mean, first of all, you get high
Speaker 1: end speed, you get it quickly. Because of his size.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got that sort of a shorter size,
Speaker 1: so he's hard to see behind the Eagles O line,
Speaker 1: so he kind of bursts out of the cloud or
Speaker 1: the fog. He can run you over, he can make
Speaker 1: you miss. I always think whenever you see a great player,
Speaker 1: I remember this. I remember this.
Speaker 2: In golf.
Speaker 1: You can see a guy like Brooks Kopka, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just bigger and stronger than people, or Tiger in
Speaker 1: his prime. But a lot of times you'll watch a
Speaker 1: pro athlete like Larry Fitzgerald and you're like, yeah, he's fast,
Speaker 1: but he's he's not that fast. I mean he's big,
Speaker 1: but he's not is he that big? And then you're
Speaker 1: just like, Larry Fitzgerald is always open and hung onto everything.
Speaker 1: And you just watch certain athletes you're like, man, they
Speaker 1: make it look So it has to be a combination
Speaker 1: of like intelligence, instinct, workout, work ethic. It's a combination.
Speaker 1: Sequon's one of those guys where when you watch him,
Speaker 1: it just it looks easy, like he just makes great
Speaker 1: players look so bad with one step. That and that
Speaker 1: to me has always been the difference between very good
Speaker 1: and great to like, oh that's all time stuff? Is
Speaker 1: that Like Reggie White would just bat good offensive lineman
Speaker 1: out of the way, like literally, with this off arm,
Speaker 1: he would bat them away and you're like.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just different than everybody else.
Speaker 1: Saquon to me is a top five to six running
Speaker 1: back I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of positions if you're
Speaker 3: drafted like he was, and it's polarizing when you take
Speaker 3: a running back number two overall because so much out
Speaker 3: of your control. His old line sucked. They had never
Speaker 3: had a passing game. So if you have no passing
Speaker 3: game and you have no offensive line, you could be
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders with Walter Bayton. It's going to be a struggle.
Speaker 3: I grew up on Barry Sanders. They had Herman More,
Speaker 3: they had an explosive passing game. Obviously, he was a
Speaker 3: special player. But I wrote down three guys because I
Speaker 3: think there's a chance, if he stays healthy, he could
Speaker 3: have this second kind of lease on life in the
Speaker 3: NFL and become like a Hall of Fame guy. Now.
Speaker 3: Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, and Marshall Falk were all guys
Speaker 3: that like after their third or fourth year, Curtis Martin
Speaker 3: went to the Jets, Bettis went to the Steelers and
Speaker 3: Marshall Falk went to the Rams. Curtis Martin was really
Speaker 3: good on the Patriots, and Marshall Falk was really good
Speaker 3: on the Ramps right, and Jerome Bettis was solid. Now
Speaker 3: I don't put Jerome Bettis quite on those two guys level,
Speaker 3: but like Saquon, I would say most people described his
Speaker 3: careers like, eh, it was kind of underwhelming. It just
Speaker 3: wasn't going well. It wasn't his fault because you're watching
Speaker 3: him on this team. How about the way that game opened.
Speaker 3: They went like twenty five plays washing it on that
Speaker 3: first drive, they got like seventeen fourth downs, and they
Speaker 3: ended up kicking a field goal. And I saw Jeff
Speaker 3: Schwartz tweet this out. He's like, God, it reminds me
Speaker 3: a lot of Notre Dame. If that's what you have
Speaker 3: to do to start a game and only get three points,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a long game. The Eagles go one play,
Speaker 3: he does like three to sixty, bounces off another guy
Speaker 3: cuts it back for sixty five seventy yards. You're like, uh,
Speaker 3: this does not feel It was insane that at one
Speaker 3: point in time this game was fourteen to twelve.
Speaker 2: Because after that.
Speaker 3: Drive and then another early drive. You're like, this thing
Speaker 3: could get out of hand, and Washington, and this where
Speaker 3: Dan deserves credit, Jaden deserves credit, kept it kind of.
Speaker 3: I mean twenty seven to fifteen at halftime. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: probably should have been like forty to seven at halftime,
Speaker 3: but Washington fought and then the wheels came off. But
Speaker 3: when you have and this is where, when Jalen's healthy
Speaker 3: and they have a running threat with the quarterback and
Speaker 3: the running back, what are you really gonna do? I mean, Colin,
Speaker 3: they ran for seven touchdowns today, ran for seven touchdowns
Speaker 3: and the two of them combined. I mean what Saquon
Speaker 3: add he had two and Jalen had three.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: The Eagles will never lose a game if they're getting
Speaker 3: that type of production in the running game.
Speaker 2: Ever, I want to talk about this. This was.
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable, So let's talk about Let's give this
Speaker 1: ten minutes, so it has to be the most embarrassing moment.
Speaker 1: The Eagles have now been to eight NFC championships and
Speaker 1: four Super Bowls since the Cowboys have been to one
Speaker 1: conference championship. So Philadelphia is separated as franchise but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys announced Brian Schottenneimer as the head coach on a
Speaker 1: Friday night news dump, late, late, late Friday night.
Speaker 2: Now it makes me believe.
Speaker 1: That either Jerry Jones was caught completely flat footed by
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy choosing to leave, or it's some sort of
Speaker 1: plan to get the number one pick next year, because
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is a nice guy, but he is a bounce
Speaker 1: around the league, never really like getting opportunities at the
Speaker 1: highest level. Jag Seattle can't really maintain jobs. I said
Speaker 1: this the other day. Their lack of urgency on Dak's
Speaker 1: contract crushed them, and their lack of urgency on hiring
Speaker 1: a coach. It's hard to explain. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to explain it.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear. You know Jerry Well, the
Speaker 3: news dumps very telling, right. Jerry runs his franchise for
Speaker 3: the last definitely the last fifteen twenty years like a
Speaker 3: television show. He literally was just on one of the
Speaker 3: more popular ones in the country. You can't tell me.
Speaker 3: I mean, if Jerry liked the hire, he would have
Speaker 3: put this thing out in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: on Sunday or first thing Monday morning, so everyone talked
Speaker 3: about him all week Friday night ten o'clock, not Friday
Speaker 3: night ten o'clock Eastern. I mean this was late after
Speaker 3: the country might have been asleep. I think he thought, Listen,
Speaker 3: they knew coming into the season that Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 3: on his contract was ending, so we all knew that.
Speaker 3: We assumed Mike McCarthy was fired. And then Black Monday
Speaker 3: came and Mike was not fired. We're like, well, clearly,
Speaker 3: and people have been talking, maybe they're just gonna keep him.
Speaker 3: Jerry thought he could just give him some fake two
Speaker 3: year contract, like Mike, where the hell are you gonna go?
Speaker 3: And pretty clear Mike might have misplaced his hand a
Speaker 3: little too, because I think he thought he could get
Speaker 3: the Bears job. Yeah, but I think Mike realized kind
Speaker 3: of maybe halfway or toward the end of that week,
Speaker 3: as he wanted Jason Witten on his staff, Jerry was
Speaker 3: just gonna kind of bend him over, like, hey, Jerry,
Speaker 3: I've made a lot of money in the last few
Speaker 3: fifteen years, Buddy, I don't need you, and I'm not
Speaker 3: just gonna acquiesce to everything you want and basically told
Speaker 3: him to kick rocks. And I think Jerry thought the
Speaker 3: whole time he could essentially give him like a two
Speaker 3: year contract. You know, think about this, Jerry just hired
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer. Jerry's kind of cheap, Like, that's one thing
Speaker 3: that's pretty telling. Jerry's not these Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel
Speaker 3: making twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Mike McCarthy was making seven million
Speaker 3: dollars right now. Granted he was hired five years ago,
Speaker 3: but he was on a seven year, million dollars. That's
Speaker 3: one of the lower paid coaches in the league. Would
Speaker 3: you guess Brian Schottenheimer is making more than seven million dollars.
Speaker 3: There's a decent chance that Brian Schottenheimer's the lowest paid
Speaker 3: coach in the NFL. I think we know what Ben
Speaker 3: Johnson makes. We know Pete Carroll ain't making seven We
Speaker 3: know Bileam Cohen just got twelve or thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 3: So Jerry's a little cheap. He misplayed his hand. And
Speaker 3: you'd been saying this, and I've always defended Jerry a
Speaker 3: little bit. He is really in his Al Davis phase now,
Speaker 3: like they are. That was sometimes you fire a coach
Speaker 3: whatever it's time, but go through that week and then
Speaker 3: eventually break up with Mike McCarthy and end up a
Speaker 3: week later with Brian Schottenheimer. And once upon a time,
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheim remember when he was Rex Ryan's OC and
Speaker 3: they were with Mark Sanchez. He was like thirty seven,
Speaker 3: thirty eight years old, he was viewed as a head coach.
Speaker 3: That was fifteen years ago. Was the last time Brian
Speaker 3: Schottenheimer had a head coaching interview? Has he had one
Speaker 3: in a decade? Now? That's not the end all be all,
Speaker 3: But why would you fire Mike McCarthy, who has accomplished
Speaker 3: stuff and then hire his offensive coordinator who's not some
Speaker 3: valued candidate, doesn't It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: He didn't even call plays. Yeah, McCarthy, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not It's not below Jerry to actually make calls dissuading
Speaker 1: people from hiring Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy suddenly was
Speaker 1: a hot candidate. Now he's not even getting interviewed, and
Speaker 1: he's clearly the best candidate on the market.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Saints, what are the Saints going to do?
Speaker 1: He'd obviously the best candidate is I think, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've said this, if Lebron didn't go to the Lakers.
Speaker 1: The Lakers are the Cowboys. They're just circling. I mean,
Speaker 1: lebron Is literally saved the franchise. They were Kobe's last
Speaker 1: five years. I think they're the worst win lost percentage
Speaker 1: in the league. It could be wrong, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was really bad. So it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things where it's not a coincidence
Speaker 1: when people like Andy Reid are successful all the time.
Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence when certain gms have good draft.
Speaker 2: Classes over and over and over.
Speaker 1: And I think that Dallas Cowboys the last couple of
Speaker 1: draft classes have been a weak. I mean they've missed
Speaker 1: on their their first I mean they hit on Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb and Micah, but their last two first round picks
Speaker 1: have been weak. They got worked by Dak Prescott again.
Speaker 1: They're just they have really fallen to me, John and
Speaker 1: I don't take any pleasure in saying this. They've become
Speaker 1: a little like Cleveland. They're a little like the Jets.
Speaker 1: They're not as chaotic, but they're they're really a second
Speaker 1: tier franchise. Like they're they're not even and there, they
Speaker 1: are not remotely close to a top five NFC roster.
Speaker 2: Forget AFC, they're not there.
Speaker 1: They could they could be the eighth, the ninth best
Speaker 1: roster in the NFC.
Speaker 3: Now, well, think about this. You just hit on. They
Speaker 3: haven't been to the conference championship game since what ninety six?
Speaker 3: The Eagles just since that foal So Foles and then
Speaker 3: the last two Jalen have not only been to three,
Speaker 3: they won them. I mean the last two they played
Speaker 3: Minnesota with Foles, they blew them out. Jalen against the
Speaker 3: Niners they knocked out Purty, blew them out. And tonight
Speaker 3: they scored fifty five points. So they've been to three
Speaker 3: super Bowls in the last what eight years? Seven years?
Speaker 3: So you are in a different stratosphere than them. And
Speaker 3: then Washington sells the team. They get a real coach,
Speaker 3: a superstar quarterback, and a real GM and they're gonna
Speaker 3: start lapping you. If I'm a Cowboy fan, Thank god
Speaker 3: the Giants have their own issues or we would. It's
Speaker 3: that night for a guy that knows just I mean,
Speaker 3: one thing he's great about is getting people to talk
Speaker 3: about his team. I mean, it's why he talks twice
Speaker 3: a week. No other owner says a peep column. None
Speaker 3: of them talk at all. It's not like they don't
Speaker 3: have Biggie. They realize, what's the point, Why am I
Speaker 3: going to say a word? Most gms? Do you notice
Speaker 3: how many gms come on your television show throughout the
Speaker 3: year sparingly here and there, But they let the coach
Speaker 3: and the players talk during the season, right, it's not
Speaker 3: their time. Jerry talks twice a week, sometimes three times.
Speaker 3: And I don't blame anyone from talking to him because
Speaker 3: he gives you incredible quotes. But that's not a healthy
Speaker 3: way to operate. It's just not And I thought that
Speaker 3: it was overblown a little bit when remember when the
Speaker 3: story came out, Dak said, they have fans walking around
Speaker 3: the facility. But once you start losing, you start going. Well,
Speaker 3: where Jerry's priorities right now? It's like, does he just
Speaker 3: want to save some money here with Brian Schottenheim or
Speaker 3: did he get into a situation that he never thought
Speaker 3: he'd be in and then didn't know who to talk to.
Speaker 3: Of course, Dion wasn't that interested. He's Dean, doesn't answer
Speaker 3: to anyone in Colorado. Jerry tell him everything to do.
Speaker 3: That is the other you go work for the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: like you listen Woody Johnson. These days bug you with
Speaker 3: dumb ideas. Jerry's literally telling you, like who to play
Speaker 3: when to play him, you know, like football, like he
Speaker 3: thinks he's Al Davis lost his mind. But at one
Speaker 3: point in time, Al Davis really new football, Like does
Speaker 3: Jerry really know? Like is Jerry watching tape?
Speaker 2: No chance.
Speaker 3: I don't even blame him. But I also wouldn't be
Speaker 3: an owner if I'm not watching tape telling you what
Speaker 3: to do?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't get to watch other shows except yours, Nick,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I'm on the air. I
Speaker 1: pulled into the parking lot when Dan Patrick goes on,
Speaker 1: so I never get to hear Dan, who does a
Speaker 1: great job.
Speaker 2: I don't get a watch like Steven Air on.
Speaker 1: Her shows because either I'm prepping for my show, doing
Speaker 1: for my show, or driving home.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I when I worked at the other place, I was
Speaker 1: there for the New England Dynasty, a big chunk of
Speaker 1: it in the eleven years, and it was great.
Speaker 2: I was I. You know, my friends were all either
Speaker 2: New York Giant fans or.
Speaker 1: Patriot fans, and I never thought the Patriots were the
Speaker 1: most talented team, although I did think the Randy Moss
Speaker 1: years were damn good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I thought I heard a lot of this stuff about officiating,
Speaker 1: and I was always like, oh shit, I did think
Speaker 1: the Bills got a first down, but there were thirteen
Speaker 1: minutes left, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a.
Speaker 1: Believer, and I've said this, I think to you and
Speaker 1: others when people used to complain about Jordan getting all
Speaker 1: the calls of the Warriors, I would always say this,
Speaker 1: how many turnovers did you have and how many free
Speaker 1: throws did you miss? If the answer combined is twenty,
Speaker 1: I don't care about that.
Speaker 2: Go either way.
Speaker 1: Called in the fourth quarter right like, you had eleven
Speaker 1: turnovers and missed nine free throws, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: listen to you. I thought Buffalo was incredibly lucky. They
Speaker 1: fumbled four times and recovered all of them. I've never
Speaker 1: heard of that in a playoff game, well in my life.
Speaker 2: No, Colin. They there were five fumbles in the game
Speaker 2: because Mahomes fumbled and Buffalo recovered all five. Now, as
Speaker 2: far as back as the record books go, first playoff
Speaker 2: team ever to do that and lose, Like, it's very
Speaker 2: hard to go five for five fumble recoveries and not
Speaker 2: win the game. They got very fortunate on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my take on the entire game was very much
Speaker 1: like Matt Hasselback. Matt Hasselback and I and Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and I agreed that Sean McDermot acknowledged after the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the fourth and one stuff, you know, we just
Speaker 1: kind of let Josh, you know, and we just kind
Speaker 1: of figure, Josh, we're gonna kind of let him do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Annie Reid has never once said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let Mahomes kind of do it. And
Speaker 1: I've been on this now since you've known me at
Speaker 1: f S one for eight years. I think offense coaches
Speaker 1: are better with star quarterbacks than defensive coaches. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I've said about Brady is where Brady
Speaker 1: really deserves credit. He won with Arians, he won with Belichick,
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss, he won with like six different people because
Speaker 1: remember Bill didn't really run the offense. It was whoever
Speaker 1: the coordinator was. Is that I do think, and this
Speaker 1: is not a shot at Mahomes all of us in life,
Speaker 1: some kids grow up with really doting, rich parents and
Speaker 1: supportive parents and some kids grow up in chaos. Is
Speaker 1: Mahomes would be successful regardless, But do you think it's
Speaker 1: crazy to consider that if Mahomes and Alan's switch coaches,
Speaker 1: that Alan would have more super Bowls today than Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do think that's crazy. I don't think
Speaker 2: you'd have more super Bowls than Mahomes. And I think
Speaker 2: that Listen. I think Patrick is going to go down
Speaker 2: as a Mount Rushmore athlete, not football player athlete, and
Speaker 2: I think that he is has a special innate ability
Speaker 2: that right now, no other quarterback in like the people
Speaker 2: have been beaten over the head with the Mahomes stats,
Speaker 2: but some of them are just like impossible to believe.
Speaker 2: So he already now has more the more playoff victories. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when his defense allows twenty nine points than any quarterback
Speaker 2: in NFL history, So he has four, He has won
Speaker 2: four playoff games. Was even's allowed twenty nine points? That's
Speaker 2: Tom did it. I think Peyton did it I think
Speaker 2: three times, and Tom did it once orrive vice versa.
Speaker 2: But no one's done that that. Patrick has played twenty
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna get to the Josh Allen piece
Speaker 2: of this. Patrick has played twenty playoff games. Okay, eleven
Speaker 2: of them were what I would call easy wins. They
Speaker 2: were leading in the fourth quarter, led the whole way.
Speaker 2: The nine games Colin that he was not that he
Speaker 2: trailed in the fourth quarter, six of them he won.
Speaker 2: One of them he forced overtime against New England, never
Speaker 2: touched the ball, another one he forced overtime against Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: did not come through and lost. And the other one
Speaker 2: they were down thirty one to nine against the Bucks
Speaker 2: entering the fourth. So again, and put a little finer
Speaker 2: point on that. In his playoff career in the fourth
Speaker 2: quarter trailing by one score, he has had fourteen possessions.
Speaker 2: They have tied or taken the lead thirteen times and
Speaker 2: so and the one time he didn't, he then got
Speaker 2: the ball back and did it.
Speaker 1: So do you believe, though, that Andy Reid is a
Speaker 1: is a oh prominent part that.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, absolutely, But I also believe the knock
Speaker 2: on Andy, before Patrick came into his life, was brilliant
Speaker 2: play designer. But in these exact moments I'm describing, gets
Speaker 2: tight and messes up the clock or situationally isn't buttoned up.
Speaker 2: That's how you lose a twenty eight point lead to
Speaker 2: the Colts with Alex Smith. That's how you lose an
Speaker 2: eight and in the playoffs an eighteen point lead to
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota. You know, Andy was the chiefs coach when
Speaker 2: those things happened. So I think it's the perfect marriage.
Speaker 2: I think Andy is the perfect preparer of offense and
Speaker 2: plays and all of it, and Patrick is the steadiest
Speaker 2: hand in the world. And so to me, it's like
Speaker 2: the most brilliant medical school professor pairing up with the
Speaker 2: most naturally gifted surgeon ever, Like he is gonna give
Speaker 2: you all of the tools and then you're gonna have,
Speaker 2: you know, be the one with the steady hand, going
Speaker 2: to do it. So that parted, and I think Josh
Speaker 2: is excellent. I also think that Josh had the ball
Speaker 2: of three and a half minutes left down three and
Speaker 2: got seventeen yards and zero points. And that's a year
Speaker 2: after getting the ball back with six minutes left down
Speaker 2: three and got forty yards and zero points. Like that's
Speaker 2: not Patrick, that's not Andy. That's in those moments the
Speaker 2: fourth and five play, Josh was excellent first down, second down,
Speaker 2: he was not, which set up the third and ten,
Speaker 2: which set up the fourth and five. Here is the
Speaker 2: thing I want to say about the sneaks, Colin, and
Speaker 2: this is where I'm surprised. More teams don't, more contending
Speaker 2: teams don't take a page out of the Chiefs notebook.
Speaker 2: Why at some point during the year didn't the Bills
Speaker 2: say internally, Okay, guys, I think we pretty much well
Speaker 2: know how to run this snake. Can we work on
Speaker 2: a couple other short yardage things? So thank you? A.
Speaker 2: Teams have to prepare for other things. And b even
Speaker 2: though we've been basically undefeated on it, if somebody has
Speaker 2: a wrinkle that can stop it, we have a pivot point. Instead,
Speaker 2: they just ran the same thing all year because it
Speaker 2: was so successful, and that's that should be the lesson
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs. The Chiefs early in the year, people like, oh,
Speaker 2: Kelsey's washed, and it's like, okay, he's obviously slowing down.
Speaker 2: But is it is it that he's washed, or is
Speaker 2: it that they are saying, hey it it hasn't happened
Speaker 2: in years. But what if someone in a playoff game
Speaker 2: takes him away. Let's make sure Xavier Worth he's ready,
Speaker 2: Let's make sure everybody else is ready, and then in
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game, he has his worst game in
Speaker 2: five years in the playoffs, and other guys step up.
Speaker 2: If you're contending for a championship, sometimes preparing to win
Speaker 2: the title is not the same as making sure every
Speaker 2: single possession of my Week seven game against the Jets
Speaker 2: is the highest EPA. And that's where the Chiefs have
Speaker 2: been brilliant, and that's where the Bills, I think, have
Speaker 2: not been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think fans understand this if you watched.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to give away where I
Speaker 1: heard this, but it comes from a good source. Belichick
Speaker 1: can't even speak offensive football like defensive coaches. They don't
Speaker 1: really understand offensive football. That's not what they do. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I've always pointed to, and I
Speaker 1: think I'm the only guy talking about this regularly pat
Speaker 1: myself in the back. Have you noticed how offensive coaches
Speaker 1: can rearrange the deck chairs with an offensive line within
Speaker 1: an off season and fix it. And he's done it
Speaker 1: twice ing the season, movement based and left multiple times.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 1: They were terrible the first five weeks. By the end
Speaker 1: of the year, Stafford never got touched. Defensive coaches can't
Speaker 1: do that. Tomlin's on seven straight years of battle lines.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff Schwartz showed during the playoff loss, the
Speaker 1: Steelers offensive line mayhem, they didn't know where they were going.
Speaker 1: I mean they were literally often pulling to the wrong place.
Speaker 1: Offensive coaches speak the language of offense, and the league
Speaker 1: has pivoted to reward them. It's almost like if Trump.
Speaker 1: You know, when Trump goes out and says, hey, I
Speaker 1: am pro you know bitcoin, cryptocurrency, I am pro cryptocurrency. Well,
Speaker 1: you know that benefits people in the industry, Like the
Speaker 1: NFL's basically said over the last ten years, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go offense. We're gonna literally change the game. And so
Speaker 1: there's a big chunk of these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2: They don't speak it.
Speaker 1: They don't speak it, they don't understand the language and
Speaker 1: what you're asking, which is why wouldn't they create a
Speaker 1: second play? Well that's not that's not their natural instinct,
Speaker 1: that's not who they are. Andy Reid in the off
Speaker 1: season will send me plays he's working on that he
Speaker 1: found on YouTube from Rose Bowls in the forties, Like hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna use this,
Speaker 1: don't share this and look at this play. That's not
Speaker 1: what defensive coaches do. And I think advantage the great.
Speaker 1: So what do you think they should do? Because the
Speaker 1: thing is because because the.
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and
Speaker 2: I also it's like, but there isn't a the proven
Speaker 2: excellent offensive coach available. B Belichick took the Carolina job,
Speaker 2: so it's not like, hey, let's just get better situationally,
Speaker 2: and you know, even in short term, he's beaten Andy,
Speaker 2: he's beaten Patrick. And I understand the folks who are like, man,
Speaker 2: if it's been this long, you haven't broking through against
Speaker 2: this team. Even if McDermott's an excellent coach, sometimes what
Speaker 2: happens to Mark Jackson to elevate to Steve Kerr as
Speaker 2: Brew talks about, needs to happen. I get all that,
Speaker 2: But can you take the risk of this part of
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's prime of we're handing the reins over to
Speaker 2: a first time unknown head coach because he's an offensive guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think Listen. I think so was Sean McVay,
Speaker 1: and so is Matt Lafleur. Right, I think he was
Speaker 1: all the guys who failed, Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, Sean McDermott. I think my comp has
Speaker 1: always been Chuck Knox. I'm saying this is my age.
Speaker 1: But Chuck Knox was known as an organizer, highly competent,
Speaker 1: B plus coach, Seahawks bills. If you were a shit show,
Speaker 1: he got you on the right path. But he was
Speaker 1: called ground Chuck because the playoffs would come, and like
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, he got hyper conservative. And I just think
Speaker 1: that's your fate in life. Is that sometimes Nick, You know,
Speaker 1: let's just take our business for instance. Is that some
Speaker 1: people in my age don't do social media. I think
Speaker 1: it's a huge disadvantage. I do a ton of social media.
Speaker 1: I've got a TikTok clip on Brawnie today. It'll get
Speaker 1: three million people. I feed into it.
Speaker 2: I'm into it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's sixty plus with gray hair is into all
Speaker 1: these social media platforms. The world we're in has changed.
Speaker 1: TV doesn't drive all the business. I'm comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: There are other things in other industries people aren't comfortable with.
Speaker 1: The NFL's culture has changed. It's all offense, and so
Speaker 1: a lot of these defensive coaches. They're beholden to hiring
Speaker 1: the right OC and the minute you know Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: and Brady leaves bella check screwed. There's nothing he can do.
Speaker 1: He didn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Let's both think.
Speaker 1: Of something where we were the most wrong we've been
Speaker 1: all football season. So I'll give you what it is
Speaker 1: and why it is, and I'll let you think. So
Speaker 1: you know, this is how I think, I love, I
Speaker 1: think it matters. I want my quarterback to have a
Speaker 1: little artist but mostly be an accountant.
Speaker 2: I want you to go.
Speaker 1: I want you to be have kind of Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt's personality justin Herbert stand up there, talk about
Speaker 1: the team, put out fires, be in line. Brady's as
Speaker 1: good as anybody for as big as star as Mahomes is.
Speaker 1: He really always just says nice things. He's really he's
Speaker 1: figured out.
Speaker 2: My buddy, my former intern started interrupts in Kansas City,
Speaker 2: and who I'm sure hates that I always call my
Speaker 2: former intern because he's now the afternoon drive host on
Speaker 2: six ' ten in Kansas City and has been for
Speaker 2: a long time. He has a weekly interview with Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes and has had it for years, and God bless
Speaker 2: Carrington Harrison, who does a great job. That poor guy
Speaker 2: never ever gets any news out of it because Patrick
Speaker 2: says nothing. Like He's had a weekly exclusive interview with
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes for five years, and if you ever played
Speaker 2: one clip of it on your show, the answer is
Speaker 2: probably not, because Patrick is just so im to say nothing,
Speaker 2: just say absolutely nothing, but go ahead. So and that's
Speaker 2: how I like my quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I've said this Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: If I see ego, if I see self importance, if
Speaker 1: I see Jay Cutler grumpiness, I just do not like it.
Speaker 1: And I think I've overwhelmingly been right. So I watched
Speaker 1: Nick Suriani's opening press conference. It's the worst I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: He's terrible at the podium, he wore a jersey at
Speaker 1: the last time after last win. He's yelled at fans,
Speaker 1: he's gone after players, and he's had position coaches hold
Speaker 1: him back. His methodology stinks, and yet they love him.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is ridiculous. This is the exact
Speaker 1: opposite of what I want my coach to be. And
Speaker 1: so I've come to try to figure it out, and
Speaker 1: I went and watched In Chicago, I went and watched
Speaker 1: the comedian Sebastian Menacawsko, a very very funny guy, great performer.
Speaker 1: He minds me a lot of Chris Rock. He's like
Speaker 1: all Lee in his prime. I mean, he's got the look,
Speaker 1: the physical He's really a performer, very funny, and a
Speaker 1: lot of his act is is Italian family and how
Speaker 1: dysfunctional and how they yell at each other and the
Speaker 1: love is so deep and embedded in the family. And
Speaker 1: I've learned this. Cultures are different. There are couples that
Speaker 1: argue and that yell at each other, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. And they've been married thirty seven years,
Speaker 1: and I imagine the makeup sex is great, Like they
Speaker 1: just get along.
Speaker 2: It just works.
Speaker 1: And I've come to terms with Siriani is that in
Speaker 1: a highly emotional city with a highly intense GM and
Speaker 1: fan base and radio media that's just barking and make
Speaker 1: he just fits. He is the family member. He can
Speaker 1: handle the bs, he can handle the noise. He's sometimes
Speaker 1: he's half fan. I just thought this is not He's
Speaker 1: very dependent on coordinators.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Man, everything you're saying is fair, I
Speaker 2: still can't get there with him. Like everything you're saying true,
Speaker 2: here's what's also true. Had they blocked Jalen Carter they
Speaker 2: being the Rams on that third down in round two.
Speaker 2: I think it's possible he was fired ten days ago
Speaker 2: if after that up thirteen against the Rams with Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts injured, and then up six when he called that
Speaker 2: bootleg roll play action roll out on second and seven
Speaker 2: that resulted in a dozen yard sack and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Stafford's driving down the field down six, chance
Speaker 2: to steal the game. I think they might have gotten
Speaker 2: rid of him now. Instead, he's a game away from
Speaker 2: having the greatest start to a career any coach. Ever,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I because everything,
Speaker 2: every instinct I.
Speaker 1: Have says, well, this guy's just a dofis the same.
Speaker 2: But you have, like, if any position should be judged
Speaker 2: based on their record, it should be head coach. And
Speaker 2: his record is historically good. So I don't it really
Speaker 2: tests a lot of my beliefs of what should and
Speaker 2: what does work in the NFL. And so yeah, this one,
Speaker 2: I mean, this offseason, they totally you know what's the
Speaker 2: word that's always used in political Twitter. Definishtrated him, I
Speaker 2: think is the word. They didn't even let him pick
Speaker 2: his own coordinators, you know what I mean. Early in
Speaker 2: the year, he's freaking out, yelling at his fans after Quinn.
Speaker 2: Even after the NFC championship game, Jalen hurts, it's like, yeah, coach,
Speaker 2: finally let me out of my straight jacket. Like that's
Speaker 2: a weird thing the whole. So, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: they haven't lost a game that Jalen started and finished
Speaker 2: in four months, and they're playing in the super second
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in two years or in three years. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that one baffles me. That's my worst. I was basically
Speaker 2: perfect on my AFC preseason takes.
Speaker 1: Saying I will not predicting. It's become a very easy
Speaker 1: conference in the standings to predict.
Speaker 2: And so I got and I could not have been
Speaker 2: more wrong about the NFC. So I obviously famously had
Speaker 2: the Bears not only making the playoffs or winning the conference,
Speaker 2: but I also had the Eagles missing the playoffs. I
Speaker 2: did it. I had Washington finishing ahead of the Eagles,
Speaker 2: and my rationale was, man, something really weird happened last
Speaker 2: year to that team, and I don't trust this coach
Speaker 2: to pull them out of it. And I also thought
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley would be good but not great for them,
Speaker 2: But instead Saquon had one of the greatest years any
Speaker 2: running backs had in the history of football. Can I
Speaker 2: ask you a question, sure, yeah, go ahead, after this year,
Speaker 2: take this year out of it. This group of quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group, they're all twenty
Speaker 2: eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically they all have
Speaker 2: ten more good years. That's probably on the high end,
Speaker 2: but let's give them a decade, ten more seasons. The
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season onward Man, at least one of
Speaker 2: those guys is never making much less winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Like moving forward, so I know Joe's already made what
Speaker 2: because here's the way I was thinking about it. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: because everyone's like, do you think Josh will eventually get one?
Speaker 2: And intellectually I'm like, yes, of course, he's the second
Speaker 2: best player in the league. Of course he'll get one.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, well, wait a minute, Okay, So
Speaker 2: in the next ten years, let's say Patrick slows down,
Speaker 2: he only makes four of the Andy Reid retires. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so let's just say Pat. Let's say Patrick only makes
Speaker 2: four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
Speaker 2: six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know, you've got Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert getting the one eventually, Bo Nicks, CJ. Stroud and
Speaker 2: we're talking about ten years. So it's also a couple
Speaker 2: more generations coming into the league like these guys, All
Speaker 2: of these guys being in the AFC is devastating for
Speaker 2: the resumes they're trying to build well.
Speaker 1: And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
Speaker 1: Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
Speaker 1: pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
Speaker 1: first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
Speaker 1: don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
Speaker 1: to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
Speaker 1: players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off.
Speaker 2: Of them now.
Speaker 1: Safety Yeah, and they're already peeling off players. They are
Speaker 1: the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti risk and reward.
Speaker 1: They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager, has been
Speaker 1: there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Brown family runs the organization. They are essentially a
Speaker 1: Triple A operation in Major League Baseball that happens to
Speaker 1: have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders. The
Speaker 1: Raiders because of some new ownership groups that have come
Speaker 1: in are flushed with cash. That's why they can pay
Speaker 1: four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing but money.
Speaker 1: They got Mark Davis has nothing but money, and the
Speaker 1: Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas. It's
Speaker 1: a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
Speaker 1: very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
Speaker 1: never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
Speaker 1: be great with him was when he was on the
Speaker 1: rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're on a money.
Speaker 2: Like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow would need to
Speaker 1: be superhuman. I mean, this year he was as good
Speaker 1: as he's ever been. They couldn't make the playoffs. Herbert's
Speaker 1: gonna get better with Harbaugh, Like that's gonna only get better, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert. I think
Speaker 1: Burrow is the one in trouble.
Speaker 2: And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
Speaker 2: those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
Speaker 2: he's done it, But will those guys be able to
Speaker 2: play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
Speaker 2: and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
Speaker 2: that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we we like
Speaker 2: that's the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
Speaker 2: Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
Speaker 2: go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
Speaker 2: they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
Speaker 2: finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
Speaker 2: the next game's the tougher, bigger one. And so that's
Speaker 2: we have Never I can't remember a time when it
Speaker 2: felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to conference, and
Speaker 2: what it's gonna mean for these guys kind of legacies
Speaker 2: when it comes to who they were as far as
Speaker 2: winning players or winning championships.
Speaker 1: The volume