1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Little Podcast. John Schmulck with you, 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: as always, are joined by Sean O'Hara as we recap 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: the season. It's all brought to you by Citizens, the 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: official bank of the New York Football Giants. Sean, the 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Giants season is in the books. A 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: lot to talk about moving forward, But I'm gonna throw 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: the most general nebulous question of all time your way, Sean, 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: what do you think about the twenty twenty three season? 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Hope I never see it again? You know what? It was? 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: In fairness, we have seen worse past. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: We have, and you know what, Like, I think the 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: expectation this year was so much higher, given the playoff 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: victory from the year before, but like right out of 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: the gate Week one, I mean, we open up with 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: the Cowboys at home, and things just went sideways. And 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: you lose your best offensive lineman in that game, and 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Andrew Thomas, and it's almost like and. 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Your kicker gets hurt by the way, which cost the 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: games later in the year. 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was the injuries. We're just so 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: mind boggling this whole season. I mean, Daniel Jones missed 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: a couple games, with his neck and then you know, 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: a non contact ACL injury, Like that's worst case scenario. 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: So I feel like there were so many things that 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: the ball just bounced not in our favor this season, 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: but yet there were so many close games Like this season, 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: what I'll remember most about is the games that we 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: should have won, like the game we should have been 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: Buffalo in Buffalo, Like that game should have won. We 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: should have beat the Jets at home in that monsoon. 31 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: There were we should have beat the Rams, we should 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: have beat Philly down in Philly. Like Despite all of 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: the injuries and all of the times where the ball 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: didn't bounce our way, there were there were so many 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: opportunities to beat some good teams, and I think that 36 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: this team showed a lot of resilience. What I'll take 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: away from this is I think the fact that the 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: Giants won games with their third string practice squad quarterback 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: says a lot about the team, a lot about the 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: coding staff, and a lot about the ability of Brian 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: able to keep all this together, because I don't know, 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: in years past, a season like this would have just 43 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: completely unraveled and it would have been a complete debacle 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: for the last two home games to end the season, 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: and yet the Giants, you know, beat the Eagles at 46 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: the end of the season final victory and then should 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: have beat the Rams the week before. So, you know, 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot that to unpack from the season. 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: But you know, I think when you look at at offensively, 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: the points are still an issue like that. That's the 51 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: one thing that for the last two years has really 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: hamstrung this entire team because there's times when the defense 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: has kept them in games, and just the inability to 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: score points when you look around the league, like teams 55 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: are throwing up forty burgers left and right, and that 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: just that that has to be the point of emphasis. 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: Again, Hey, and look at the games the Giants won, right, 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: thirty one points against Arizona, thirty points against Washington. They 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: scored over twenty in the other game against Washington, scored 60 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: twenty seven. Against Philadelphia, they scored over what was the 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six against the Packers in that 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: win it was somewhere in that area right now, the 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: winning night game, so they scored over twenty three points, 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: twenty four points in that game too. You score points, 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: you give yourself a chance to win. You put their losses, 66 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: you're looking at seven points, ten points, well, thirteen points, 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: fourteen points. You have to figure out a way to score. 68 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: So let's let's go there. Let's start looking ahead, because 69 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: we've talked about this season throughout. We don't want to 70 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: rehash the things we've said a bajillion times already. So 71 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: where do you think the improvements have to happen the 72 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: most for this team to finally start scoring more points 73 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: more consistently. 74 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, offensively, they've got to run the football better, 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: more and more efficiently, more effectively. Too many times the 76 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: run game was not just a zero gain a negative 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: game like there were too many negative runs again, times 78 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: when Saquon Barkley had a linebacker unblocked right standing right 79 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: in the hole, or a defensive lineman that beat a 80 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: tight end and is unblocked like too many times, and 81 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: it happened in awful situations third and one there, I mean, 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: there was a play in down a Philly where we 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: don't block us on Reddick and you know, just stuff 84 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: like that. Those self inflicted wounds in certain situations is 85 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: why you don't stay on the field on third down. 86 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: So the way to fix it, I think for the Giants, 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: like first and foremost, the Giants have to get better 88 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: at guard. Like look, Evan Neil, no doubt about it, 89 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: has to play better. Can he play better? Yes, I 90 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: think he can't play better, but it's on him. Like 91 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: you know, look Bobby Johnson, you know, was was just 92 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: let go. He had a tough task. Evan Neil was 93 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: banged up. You know, I think he came into training 94 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: camp ready to rock and roll, had a really good 95 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: offseason and then got a concussion and then the ankle, 96 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: and you know, it was a tough season for Evan Neil. Uh, 97 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: just to stay healthy. But the improvement from Evan Neil, 98 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: it's gotta I mean, it's got to be impactful. It's 99 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: got to be a huge improvement. But you're good at 100 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: left tackle. John Michael Smith's I think showed that he's 101 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: a he's a high quality, highly talented, talented NFL center 102 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: and he's he's in his rookie year. Had no point 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: did he ever look physically outmatched. There are things that 104 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: he can polish. 105 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Up, but he was pushed back on some one plays 106 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: a little bit on initial contact. 107 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also look at it like if you 108 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: want to run the ball, John, You've got to have 109 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: two good guards. Like you look around the league. The 110 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: team's the best teams running the football, they have good guards, 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: and good guards at the point of attack will help 112 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: with the push, will help with all that. So that's 113 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: to me where they offensively, you've got to figure out 114 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: you got to be better on first and second down. 115 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: Third down is kind of its own entity. So up front, 116 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 2: I think there needs to be improving with both guards. 117 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: And then again we're kind of having the same conversation 118 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: like points, points are premium. Points in the red zone 119 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: are huge. 120 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: And big plays, right a big plays too, right, Yeah. 121 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: And Daris Slayton, you know, had some big plays. I 122 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: think Jalen Hyatt proved that he's a big play receiver 123 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: like he can. He's got big plays bottled up inside him. 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: We just got to find a way to get you know, 125 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: there were a lot of times where he was open 126 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: or receivers were open, and we didn't didn't have enough 127 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: time to throw the ball or to make that play 128 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: because the pass protection didn't. 129 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Hold up anyway, says a Waller, I'm sorry before I 130 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: jumped on you. 131 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Waller, you know, I think he would say it 132 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: was disappointing in the fact that he just wasn't available 133 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: and he was hurt and the hamstring was an issue again. 134 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: But I think we saw on training camp like how 135 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: valuable he is and when an asset he is to 136 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: the offense when he's healthy and when he's out there, 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: he is definitely a mismatch in the giants favor? So 138 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: how can they build on that? And I think had 139 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: he been healthy, maybe he would have been a little 140 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: bit more of an impactful red zone player, But no 141 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: doubt that's you know, you get the ball all the 142 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: way down to the twenty yard line and then things 143 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 2: get tougher. They need to be better in that area. 144 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to dive into the offensive line 145 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: a little bit here. Shocking do that with Sewan here 146 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: you talk about John Michael schmidz Lote. I want to 147 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: jump back to Evan Neil. So if you're approaching this 148 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: with Evan Neil in this offseason, now, do you start 149 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: him at a tackle and let him fail into guard? 150 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Do you explain. 151 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: What, Yeah, Evan Neil's a tackle. You know, for a 152 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: lot of people that say, well just move him into 153 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: guard like that, nothing is going to change at guard. 154 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: The things that he has plagued with right now are 155 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: his hands, his punch, and stay on his feet like 156 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: he's on the ground way too much, and that's not 157 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: going to change if you move him into guard Like 158 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: that doesn't just fix everything. 159 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Being in a foam booth would It helps some of 160 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: the issues out them. 161 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: And actually might even be worse because the guys inside 162 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: are even bigger. So if you have a hard time 163 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: staying on your feet, it's because your balance is you're 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: either overextending, you're bending at your waist. I don't know 165 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: that moving him into guard alleviates any of that. This 166 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: is technique stuff. I think Evan Neil needs to get 167 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: quicker with some of his footwork. I think what he 168 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: gets in trouble is when he's got a speed rusher 169 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: and he's so concerned about getting out there and defending 170 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: that speed that he gives up all his power because 171 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: his footwork is all over the place. Those are things 172 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: that he can work on, he can improve on. But 173 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: you know, Evan Neil, coming out of college, I looked 174 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: at him, I said, man, this guy's a road greater, 175 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: like he is a people mover. If you're going to 176 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: ask Evan Neil to pass protect forty seven times a game. 177 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: That's not his forte You know. I think that I 178 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: start off with the run game like that needs to 179 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: be better. And I think when the the offense is 180 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: running on all cylinders and you're efficient on first and 181 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: second down, now third down is not as much of 182 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: an anomaly. It's not not as much of a mountain 183 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: to climb every single time. So that's a big part 184 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: of it. I think you go back and look at 185 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: Andrew Thomas. He struggled his rookie year, his second year, 186 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: he was kind of up and down. He didn't really 187 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: start playing really well until his third year. And I 188 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: think that's where we're at with Evan Neil. 189 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: And remember, by the way, Evan Heil was only started. 190 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I believe I don't have it in front of me. 191 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I think twenty three or twenty four games because of 192 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: the couple of playoff games, so it's really only just 193 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: over one season. It's not even a full two seasons 194 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: game wise either. 195 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been banged up, missed a lot of time, 196 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: and a lot like Andrew Thomas. I mean he was young. 197 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I think, just like Andrew Thomas, he couldn't buy a 198 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: beer when the Giants drafted him, So he probably should 199 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: have had another year at Alabama and then this would 200 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: have been his rookie year. But that being said, Evan 201 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: Neil is a very conscientious player, like you know him 202 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: from being around the building, Like he's a. 203 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: Hard workers on his iPad man. 204 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: Like he studies, he takes notes, like he does everything right. 205 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: So he's an easy kid to root for because he's 206 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: willing to put in the time and he's not lazy. 207 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: He's not one you know, he cares about, you know, 208 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: his job. He cares about being great at what he 209 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: what he's doing. So for him, it's really honing his 210 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: craft as an office in lineman, you've got to eliminate 211 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: the bad plays. 212 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely though. Those negative plays, to your point, put 213 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: you in those third and lungs. And that's really why 214 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: the Giants had struggles on third downs this year because 215 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: they were in so many third and eight, nine, ten 216 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: to eleven, twelve plus. 217 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and those guys you're going against are getting paid 218 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: a heck of a lot of money. They're good players. Yeah, 219 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: they are going to beat you at some point, like 220 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: you are going to lose. You just can't beat yourself, 221 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: like everybody can live with Hey, you know what he 222 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: got you on that play. You know you got beat. 223 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: You gave up a sack. But you can't get beat 224 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: because your technique is not sound, because your footwork is 225 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: all over the place. That can't happen. The Giants collectively, 226 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: not just Evanil, collectively as an offense in line, they 227 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: got beat right now way too many times. And that was, 228 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: you know, just p You had a hand in that. 229 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: Breterson had a part in that. JMS had a part 230 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: in that. Lewinsky had a part in that. Like if 231 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: you get beat right now on the very first move, 232 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: like the quarterback doesn't have a chance. If you get 233 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: beat late and you can wash the guy by it, 234 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: the quarterback has a chance to step through and get 235 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: around some of that. But that happened way too much 236 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: this season, all right. 237 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: So the Giants, as you mentioned, they moved on from 238 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: Bobby Johnson. They're looking for a new offensive line coach. 239 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: If something's announced by the time this gets posted, I'll 240 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: apologize ahead of time. We're gonna try to get this 241 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: up as soon as we can. What to you, Sean, 242 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: as someone that's been in those rooms, makes a good 243 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: offensive line coach, And what would you be looking for 244 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: if you're sitting there and you're Brian Dable interviewing these 245 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: offensive line coaches, what are you looking for in that 246 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: person that would be leading that room for this team 247 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: next year. 248 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think when you look at this Giants O line, 249 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: they're very young, right, I mean Andrew Thomas, you know, 250 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: as you kind of look at it, he's probably the 251 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: most veteran guy going forward. You know, I'm not sure 252 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: what Ben Bretterson's got going on, you know, justin Pugh, 253 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he was kind of, you know, like reserve mode, 254 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: like you know, that was desperation bringing him in here. 255 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: I don't know what Golowinski's future is going to look like, 256 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: but Andrew Thomas is probably gonna be your most veteran 257 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: office lineman. But other than that, you've got some young pups. 258 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: You've got you know, Jms and Avan Neil. So you 259 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: need a teacher. You need somebody that excels in teaching 260 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: the techniques, the crafts as well as the scheme. Look 261 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: the NFL, if you make it to the NFL as 262 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: an offensive lineman, you know a lot of technique. You 263 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: know how to use your hands. You know about the 264 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: full work, you know all that stuff. You've got to 265 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: fine tune all that stuff. But really where you get 266 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: next level as an offensive lineman is understanding schemes. And 267 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: when I say schemes, I'm not just talking about your 268 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: offensive scheme. I'm talking about what defenses are trying to 269 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: do to you week in and week out. You may 270 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 2: have three teams that run the same three four concepts 271 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: or the same three to four scheme from a personnel standpoint, 272 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: but they teach their linebackers to take on blocks differently. 273 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: You have to know that week in and week out. 274 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: You have to understand on defensive pressures on third down, 275 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: here's what they're trying to do to you. So that's 276 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: where you go from being an average offensive line to 277 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: a great offensive line. When you can anticipate what defenses 278 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: are trying to do to you and how they're trying 279 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: to stop you, that's when you know how to attack 280 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: them and how to defend. So I think that's it's 281 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: really too pronged when you're looking at offensive line coaches. 282 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: I need somebody that can help and teach technique, and 283 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: I also need somebody that can help and break down 284 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: schemes and what defense are trying to do to you. 285 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: Pat Flaherty was the most instrumental offensive line coach I 286 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: had because he was the first line coach that I 287 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: had that really taught me. Here's why the defense is 288 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: doing what they're doing. Here's why against this defense we're 289 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: playing the rams. This Sam linebacker is going to wrong 290 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: arm you because he has the safety filling outside. Those 291 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: are things that you're not really taught in college. You're 292 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: just looking at fronts and you know basic formations. So 293 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: those are the wrinkles that I think can help this 294 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: offense line grow to the next level. 295 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: You love her, You're good at it, So you start 296 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 297 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: most celebrated name in terf Are you ready for all 298 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: that life brings? 299 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Giants Total Podcast is brought to you by Citizens Bank, 300 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: the official bank of the New York Giants from Game Dad. Everyday, 301 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Citizens is made ready for Giants fans with insights, guidance, 302 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: and solutions. Learn more at citizens bank dot com. All right, 303 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through a couple other things and changes 304 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: that happen. Sean want to get your take from a 305 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: player perspective. The Giant strengthen conditioning coach moving on to Florida. 306 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: We'll miss him. He was great coach, coach Gerald Fitzi 307 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: was great. We loved having him here. But he found 308 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: a good opportunity down there he wanted to take. And 309 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the Giants usually do a pretty good job of letting 310 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: guys that pursue other opportunities if it's something that they want. 311 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: So another change there. You know, the Giants have gone 312 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: through some changes at the strength and conditioning coach over 313 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: the past ten years or so. They seem to kind 314 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: of let lock in there explain for fans what exactly 315 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning coach does. But I think people 316 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: confuse them sometimes with the medical staff in terms of 317 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: injury prevention and training, and they kind of conflate those two. 318 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: And then same question with the offensive line. What do 319 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you think is the most important things you want as 320 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: a player from a strength and conditioning coach? 321 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. I think for strength and conditioning coach 322 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: is number one. You've got to be valeable, like you 323 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: can't have one system and every player is going to 324 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: fit into this lifting and running program because everybody does 325 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: different things based on position. You don't want your receivers 326 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: and your dbs lifting five days a week like they 327 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: need to be sprinting. It's all about being faster. It's 328 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: about making sure that they're pliable, making sure that they're stretched, 329 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: their flexibility. And then when you get into kind of linemen, 330 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: you have different categories that you want them to improve on. 331 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: It's all about explosive, explosion and recovery, and you know, 332 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: training the central nervous system. You've got to get that 333 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: fast twitch going because as offensive linemen you're stagnant and 334 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: then you've got all you've got to explode. You've got 335 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: to have the same thing with defense linemen. It's all 336 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: about power, so you know, those programs have to be 337 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: tailor made for that. I think the big thing the 338 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: buzzword now that everybody talks about is load management, like 339 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: how are we handling the workload for players? 340 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: And that's like GPS using things like that. 341 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they track you know, how many steps you've taken, 342 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: how far you've run. You know, if all of a sudden, 343 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: we've got a guy, we've got to back down on that. 344 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: So they work hand in hand with the athletic trainers. 345 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: From that capacity, I think strength coaches. You know, look, 346 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: you want everybody to get stronger, but you don't want 347 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: to put players at risk. The one thing you can't 348 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: do as a strength coach is get a guy hurt 349 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: in the weight room or get a guy hurt in 350 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: the Aufstine program. So it's kind of it's tough for 351 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: a lot of strength coaches because they want to push 352 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: the players and you want to get them stronger and 353 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: make them better. But you know, the one thing that 354 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: they are petrified of is, oh, man, somebody blew a hammy, 355 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: what was he doing? Sprints? Or you know what, somebody 356 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: strained a calf? What was he doing? He was doing 357 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: ply metrics? Why are we doing plyometrics? You know. So 358 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: the Giants have really morphed the strength the weight room 359 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: and with the strength program of it, they use a 360 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: lot more of the Kaiser machines, which is almost like 361 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: a hydraulic resistance. Instead of weights on the bar, it's 362 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: like a hydraulic resistance, which gives you consistent resistance. You 363 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: can't kind of throw the weight and bounce the weight. 364 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: So a lot of teams have gone into that mode, 365 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, and a lot of it's for strength, but 366 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: also injury prevention and a little bit easier on the joints. 367 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: But I think you know, you look at also when 368 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: I say malleable. As a strength coach, you've got to 369 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: be able to tailor things for guys that are nine 370 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: ten years in the league. You've got a guy who's 371 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: in first, second, or third year, they should have a 372 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: different workout program and a different goal in the offseason. 373 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: The challenge for strength coaches now is the off season 374 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: is shortened. You have less time. So it's not just 375 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: less time to get guys into your program and build 376 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: gains and strength, but the challenge is too, I have 377 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: less time, which means I don't know where I can start. 378 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: You may come in and you've been training for six weeks. 379 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: You have a different starting point. I may have somebody 380 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: else who came in who has off season surgery. Maybe 381 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: they've only been actually training for a week or two. 382 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: I've got to put them on I got to start 383 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: them at a different level. So it all has to be, 384 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: you know, very tailored to the players where they're at 385 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: in their career, what position they play, you know. And 386 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: I think also as a player, the weight room was 387 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: always our sanctuary, like that was where you go to 388 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: kind of vent sometimes, so you trust your strength coach 389 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: a lot. Like you going there, maybe you're complaining about 390 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: your coach, maybe you're complaining about a teammate, maybe you're 391 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: complaining about your wife. They're like, like, that's kind of Nolan. 392 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Never did that last thing, just for the record, never 393 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: played even then, Never never complained to you know. 394 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, neither do you know drugs, Like 395 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: oh my kids, you know, woke up in the middle 396 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: of night with a sore throat, Like that's where you 397 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: go to vent and you kind of air out your laundry. 398 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: That's because the media is in the locker room and 399 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: nobody's allowed. Even when Tom coffins are the one place 400 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: where you did not want to be caught. If you 401 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: weren't a player, Do not be in that weight room 402 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: when you're not supposed to. He would let it fly 403 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: on you if that was the case. Real quick. Just 404 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: one of the one quick follow up is you kind 405 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: of mentioned it in your aunts. The injury prevention. The 406 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: strength coach works in conjunction with the medical staff right 407 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: to kind of create best practices. But I with the 408 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: way I kind of explained to people and Please tell 409 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Strength and conditioning is injury prevention. 410 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: Medical staff is injury healing, right, Like the medical staff 411 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: steps and once guys get hurt, but preventing those injuries. 412 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: That's the strength and conditioning program, which is obviously led 413 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: by the strength and conditioning coach. 414 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah correct, Yeah, no doubt about it. And I think 415 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: you know everybody wants to you know, whenever a player 416 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: gets hurt, people always want to know, well, whose fault 417 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: is it? Well, like, what's the injury? Because in football 418 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: it's a collision sport. It's not a context. 419 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: Somebody falls on your leg, what are you supposed to do? 420 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: Like people guys are going to get hurt? Now, soft 421 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: tissue injuries. When you hear that that cliche a lot, 422 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Well, if somebody pulls a hamstring 423 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: in practice, or you know, because they're not in shape, 424 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: or because they got fatigued, they got worn down and 425 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: their conditioning wasn't enough, was it that kind of a 426 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: soft tissue injury? Was it a tweak because they didn't 427 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: warm up properly, or you know, maybe they didn't recover 428 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: from a previous workout. Those are all things that you 429 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: kind of look at and you know, that's why I 430 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: said strength coaches don't don't ever want to get blamed 431 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: for those soft tissue injuries because of their programmer, because 432 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: of something they did or didn't do. But to your point, 433 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: the trainers, they are the glue, like they're the elmers. 434 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: They're holding the team together. They're the ones that piece 435 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: you back together when something's broken. They're helping you rehab, 436 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, and when you look at the giants like 437 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: they've been an integral part. Unfortunately, Sayko and Market around 438 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: an ACL injury. He had to rehab and come back 439 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: from that. Daniel Jones is going through it right now. 440 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: Robinson Sterling shepherd for him. So that's you know, the 441 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: training room is where you go to kind of get back, 442 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: get put back together. 443 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: All that. 444 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a big part of it. But again 445 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: I'll go back to you. There's a saying like those 446 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: who sweat more in preparation leed less in battle, and 447 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: I think that is kind of the mantra of the 448 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: strength and conditioning program. As offensive linemen, we would always 449 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: start training sneak sober deal Kareem McKenzie. We would always 450 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: start like a couple weeks before the actual ousting program started, 451 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: because we knew that was how we were gonna make 452 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: our money. That's how we're gonna win games in the 453 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. We were built in the weight room first. 454 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: And I've always felt like, if you have an offensive 455 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: line that doesn't train together in the off season, they 456 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: will never be successful during the season. You have to 457 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: train together. You've got to build that bond, just like 458 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: you go to boot camp if you're a Navy seal, 459 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: if you're a Green Beret, you go to boot camp. 460 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: You got to establish the cores. And I've got to 461 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: trust you, and I got to know you're not going 462 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: to bunk out on me in the fourth quarter. Like 463 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: I know. We put in the time, we put in 464 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: the work together. I've got your back, You've got mine. 465 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: That's how you build that core strength. 466 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: So sweat more, bleed less. I like that. 467 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 468 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: So that explains why David Deal never got hurt. 469 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: He sweatetd a lot. He was the slimer, no doubt. 470 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: Gaiavan's love of winner, That's why they love Citizen. They 471 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two best bank in the US by 472 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: the Banker as the official Bank of the Giants and 473 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: sponsor of the huddle, citizens has made ready for fans 474 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: of Big Blue. Learn more at citizens bank dot com. 475 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: Giants also decided sean to move on from Thomas mcgahey, 476 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: the special teams coach, and look, it's unfortunate we both 477 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: known TAMAC for a long time. He won a Super 478 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: Bowl wring with you guys in two thousand and seven. 479 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: Uh So, now moving forward in special teams again. I 480 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: know you had a long career as a gunner on 481 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: on pun coverage, so here you're very familiar with this 482 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: st I was sneaky athletic. Yes, talk about a special 483 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: teams coach and what you're looking for there, because it's 484 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: really a unique guy because besides the head coach, he's 485 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: really talking to more of the team than any other 486 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: coach on the roster, kind of bridging position groups and 487 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: stuff like that. 488 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And it's that's a tough job being a 489 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: special teams coach because sometimes you get players that don't 490 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: really want to be on special teams. So you have 491 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: guys that you know, you kind of got to motivate. 492 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 2: But to your point, you've got offensive guys that now 493 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: are being asked to play a defensive play. You know, 494 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 2: now you've got receivers that are going to go down 495 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: and be gunners and be on kickoff team and make tackles. 496 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: It's also there's so many different rule changes now too, 497 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: Like you can't have you know, wedge blocking on care 498 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: of return, you can't have two guys together on a 499 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: double team. So there's a lot that kind of goes 500 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: into it. 501 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: And the guys you're using, by the way, change all 502 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: the time. Because when it started to get cert guess 503 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: what they take away one of your special teams guys, 504 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: they put him on offense or defense. Then you have 505 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: to figure out what to do with the guy off 506 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: the practice squad or somebody that just showed up as 507 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: a as a free agent claim. 508 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: I feel like the special thenalogy for a special teams 509 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: coach is kind of like the medic out on a battlefield, 510 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: Like you just make do with what you have, Like 511 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: you could be out there and you're trying to address 512 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: a wound and like you don't have supplies, like you're 513 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: just you're like mcgui ing it. Because yeah, if you 514 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: have a linebacker go down in the game and now 515 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden that backup's starting in that role, well, 516 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: he's also my personal protector or the rebel effect that 517 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: it has from a substitution standpoint. That's why Saturdays are 518 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: such a big you know, special Teams Walker thing. You 519 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: got to know not just who my starting eleven r 520 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: on each Special Teams unit, but who are the backups 521 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 2: to go in there. 522 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: It's almost like you're the little brother. The big brother 523 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: gets to build his lego thing with whatever he wants 524 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: and then whatever pieces are left, that's what you're stuck with, 525 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: and you might start building, then they'll show up. All 526 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I need that for the eyeball. Sorry, yeah, exactly right. 527 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: So you always have to use the leftover legos to 528 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: put a unit together. 529 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, and it's it's a tough job. And 530 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: I tell you as the season goes on, it gets 531 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: even tougher as guys started to get nicked up banged up. 532 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: You know, you try to limit reps to you know, 533 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: you look at how many reps of guys playing on 534 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: offense or defense and how you can kind of give 535 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: him a blow here or there. But Thomas mcgahey, you 536 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: mentioned I was with him back when he won the 537 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: Super Bowl in two thousand and seven. I've known him 538 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 2: for a long time. He's a heck of a coach. 539 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: He's an even better guy great, So you know, this 540 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: part of the game is always the toughest part when 541 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: good men lose their jobs. And a lot of times 542 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: it's not even a fault of their own. It's a 543 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: production business. T mac knows that. But he's been a 544 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: part of all kinds of success at the college level 545 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: as well. He was down at LSU for a while too, 546 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: might have won. 547 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I think he did National. 548 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: Look, he's been at the top of the mountains in 549 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: the NFL and in college football, so uh, he will 550 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: definitely be coveted. But he's one of those guys. He's 551 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: a former player too, so like he kind of he 552 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 2: gets it, like he understands, and that means a lot 553 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: to players when they know that you know what they're 554 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: going through. So I'm sure Team Mack will end up somewhere. 555 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: But you know, the thing that's always tough is when 556 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: your kickers have a bad season. Like I hate when 557 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: people blame the kicking coach for that, Like that that's 558 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: the kicking. The special teams coach is never teaching this 559 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: guy how to kick, like they already know how to kick, 560 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: like you maybe help them out with techniques or different 561 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 2: drills or do stuff, but you know, when it comes 562 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: to the kicking like that, that's kind of you know, 563 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: that's on the kicker himself. 564 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: No, I'm surprised Sean teams haven't started hiring kicking coaches 565 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: that are separate from the special team. Well, here's what 566 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: guy that's specialized in kicking. 567 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: Right, But here's why. Kicking is like golf. Like you 568 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: don't want to bring in a golfer and now I've 569 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: got a golf swinging struck and he's going to change 570 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: your swing. 571 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: You need to almost match the instructor to the kicker. 572 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: Right. Most coaches will say, I am not going to 573 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: mess with your kicking motion. I will help you with 574 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: some things that we can help out with the accuracy 575 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: or maybe your approach, maybe your footwork, but your kicking swing, 576 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: I'm not touching that. And it's kind of you know, 577 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: that's sense Like a golfer, you wouldn't want to start 578 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: tweaking it. And you know, unless you're you know much harmon. 579 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 580 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country. 581 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 582 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: you ready for all that life brings? 583 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: All? Right, final question, we're gonna try to catch up 584 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: with the combine. We'll talk more specifically about free agency, 585 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: the draft, and things like that as we kind of 586 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: dive into that stuff a little bit more detail. What 587 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: do you think the most important part of this offseason 588 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: is going to be shown? Is it the team's own 589 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: free agents? Is it the draft? Is it bringing in 590 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: other free agents that Giant should have a significant amount 591 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: of cap space? What do you think are the key 592 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: touch points for you this offseason for this team to 593 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: continue to you know, at least try to get back 594 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: to the playoffs like they were in twenty twenty two. 595 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, this is ten thousand feet above above the 596 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: earthier viewpoint because you know, number one, like we don't 597 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: even know what freeaids are available and what the draft 598 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: we haven't got is getting tag even gotten to that point, 599 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: but just kind of looking at it on a macro level, 600 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: I mentioned the guards, like, the focus has to be 601 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: we've got to improve the offense. We've got to improve 602 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: the pass protection and the run game. And you know 603 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: you've got your center. You've got your left tackle, so 604 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: you've got those franchise players. Your right tackle needs to improve. 605 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: We touch on that. So they need guards. Now, I 606 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: think you draft one, you sign one, and you know, 607 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: based on who's out there. I think it would be 608 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: perfect scenario. You bring in a veteran guard, a proven 609 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: veteran guard that could come in right away and make 610 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 2: an impact, and then you draft someone for the future, 611 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: and you know, depending on how the draft shapes up 612 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: and who's where, and you know, how deep is it 613 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: draft after a certain position. You know, I don't know 614 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: what round you you put that importance on. Is it 615 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: a second round or a third round or fourth rounder? 616 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: The depth of the draft will determine all that. But 617 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: no doubt, you need some young guards. You need some 618 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: healthy guards. Like the Giant's health has to be paramount. 619 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: You can't draft a guy that's got an injury history, 620 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: not with what's going on with with this old line 621 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. You need healthy guys, 622 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 2: guys that are available. That's huge. I think we talked 623 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: about you got to you can't have enough explosive playmakers. 624 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: Look at what Miami's got down there with Tyreek Hill 625 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 2: and with Wattle and just look at the vision division Ceedee, 626 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: Lamb and Gallop and you know, Ferguson and uh, you know, 627 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: Philly's got a j. 628 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Brown and Smith and Harry McLaurin Dotson go down the list. 629 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: You like, forget about a wide receiver one. You need 630 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver one, two and three. Like, you can never 631 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: have too many of those guys. So I think that 632 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: that's that's big. I think running back is going to 633 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: be an interesting part of this whole conversation. 634 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: Also going to have a new running backs coach by 635 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: the way, too, because he went he's gonna be the 636 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Syracuse, which is a great job for him. 637 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think those offensively, you know, and then 638 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: the quarterback situation, you know, obviously that's the elephant in 639 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: the room. You know, this is different if Daniel Jones 640 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: had played this whole season and things went sideways like 641 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: they did and we still only had six wins. I 642 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: think the conversation maybe is like, all right, you know, 643 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: next year is a big year for Daniel Jones and 644 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: he's you know, now all of a sudden, you're looking 645 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: at it differently. The fact that he got hurt you know, 646 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: I think that that kind of changes the way that 647 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: every you look at everything because if he's not ready 648 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: week one, you have to have somebody here that can 649 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: win right now. And maybe it's ty Rod, maybe it's 650 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: de Vito. 651 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 652 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: They're going to evaluate all that, but you've got to 653 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: see who's out there, because you can't go into the 654 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: season saying, look, we're all in on Daniel Jones being 655 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 2: ready for week one and he's not, Like now, all 656 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're getna get fired if you don't 657 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: have a game plan for that. So that will be 658 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: an interesting part of the puzzle this offseason what the 659 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: Giants are going to do going for But I still 660 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: feel like Daniel Jones when he's healthy, he's still a 661 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: damn good quarterback and I think he's still going to 662 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: be the Giant starter if and when he's healthy, if 663 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: he can be ready week one, great, But the one 664 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: thing you don't want is you don't want to hobble 665 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. You don't want a guy that's not one 666 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: hundred percent because he is a weapon running the football. 667 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: This is different than Joe Burrow coming off an ACL 668 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: injury or Tom Brady coming off an ac quarterback, quarterbacks 669 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: that thrive from the pocket. 670 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Look at how the car Jones outside. Looking at the 671 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals handle Kyler Murray this year, for example, they waited. 672 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: For Yeah, they waited. I mean he was on IR 673 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: to start the season. I don't even know if. 674 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: It was what week eight didn't start on PP. 675 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: He was halfway through the season, you know. And obviously 676 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones his progress will dictate and determine that. But 677 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big part of the conversation this 678 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: off season. 679 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Bill to make some kind of decision 680 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: on guys like Saquon Barkley, guys like Xavier McKinney, Dorry Jackson, 681 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: other guys that are free agents in the building. So 682 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: those decisions to come as we embark on yet another offseason. Sean, 683 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: this was fun all year man. I think the fans 684 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: have really enjoyed it too. And we'll catch up with 685 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: you down in the I'm buying in Indianapolis. 686 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: All right, thank you guys for tuning in. Appreciate it. Hey, 687 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: we're undefeated in twenty twenty. 688 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Four, just saying Johnson. The podcast brought to you by Citizens, 689 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: the Official Bank of the Giants for showing on Ara. 690 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilk. We'll see you next time.