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Speaker 1: The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 4: Bank fund out.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Spinning back kick to the body to defend the heavyweight championship.

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Speaker 5: Sorry for the forty eight hour delay. Can't tell you

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Speaker 5: what Kenny and I I've been doing. Ken Flow was

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Speaker 5: taking pistols from his hip into shooting range and then

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Speaker 5: blasting off targets with an injured shoulder. I had some

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Speaker 5: covert work going on with Daniel Cormier. Great to be back, though,

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Speaker 5: Live in your respective lives, Wednesday, November twentieth, The year

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Speaker 5: is twenty twenty four. Counting it Down, Episode five twenty

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Speaker 5: five of the Anakin Florian Podcast. Wherever you may be

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Speaker 5: watching listening, thank you. We are live on YouTube. What's

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Speaker 5: in your eye? Bro?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know. Some sleep GNK.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea, dude. It was great to see

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Speaker 4: you in New York.

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Speaker 6: That was awesome. It's always electric in that city. Even

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Speaker 6: though you could you don't really like that city.

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Speaker 4: I like being there.

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 5: I'm coming around. I'm coming around. I mean I can't right.

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Speaker 5: I love and why I'll use the apple emoji because

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Speaker 5: it just feels anti Bostonian. But no, I love New

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Speaker 5: York City. I really do. It's like no place in

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Speaker 5: the world. It's one of one. It's inimitable, it's unique.

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Speaker 5: It's all those things fucking times square all over the

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Speaker 5: different boroughs. It's great. But yeah, I mean, we got

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Speaker 5: to see each other briefly. We had an appearance with

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Speaker 5: a Quervoe with Draft Kings on a Friday night VIPs only,

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Speaker 5: so we apologize for a little misinformation. I didn't know

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Speaker 5: it was a private event, so we tried to get

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Speaker 5: the information out there that indeed it was not open

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Speaker 5: to the public. But yeah, I got to see Ken

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Speaker 5: Flow very briefly. Got to meet Willem Berger or associate producer,

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Speaker 5: so that was very exciting as well. We got to

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Speaker 5: see Code Blue, certainly a shorter visit than we would

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Speaker 5: have liked. Got to see Raymond and viillma Longo in

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Speaker 5: the building, you know, Boston Andik was there. I am

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Speaker 5: definitely fighting Jason Anakin's at this point in time. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if that's breaking news. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: Austin's eighty or anybody from Karate combat is watching, but

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to fight that man in an enclosed

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Speaker 5: setting or otherwise. So yeah, it was good. What'd you

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Speaker 5: think of the appearance? Can Flow?

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Speaker 4: It was fun, man, it was fun, nice, nice little

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Speaker 4: lower doors, little bites to eat.

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Speaker 6: I wish I didn't eat before I went there. It

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Speaker 6: seemed delicious, drinks all around. Corey Sanhagen was there tomorrow, Uzman,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Great to see Corey Sanhagan walk in there with

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Speaker 5: the whiffle That made my night. And Kamara Usman always

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Speaker 5: imparting advice. So good to see the future Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: There was interesting to have Kamara Usman in the building

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Speaker 5: with all of that welterweight news breaking. I knew at

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Speaker 5: certainly Kamara Usman knew of that news, but I don't

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Speaker 5: that time. We have a lot to get into today.

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Speaker 5: To that end, Headlines is brought to you by Quervo.

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Speaker 5: Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented Tequila.

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Speaker 5: UFC three h nine Jones versus me at chich John

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Speaker 5: Jones by TKO spinning back kick and following up murder

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Speaker 5: shots come at four twenty nine of round three. The

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Speaker 5: greatest of all time, John Bones Jones. I thought he

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Speaker 5: And to his haters, I say, thank you you have

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Speaker 5: for us on Johnny.

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Speaker 4: The dude's got some weapons, huh. I mean, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Only John Jones can be like, you know, I work

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Speaker 6: You know, it was at least, you know, like three

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Speaker 6: You know, it's like people will work that kick their

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Speaker 6: You know, there's people who will work on that kick

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Speaker 6: Now we're seeing that level of talent in the UFC

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was perfect as far as you know,

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Speaker 4: everything John Joses was doing, but man, he's so good offensively,

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Speaker 5: Here Kenny, like fifteen years ago in his mid twenties,

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Speaker 5: with real estate like this, and if you're audio only,

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Speaker 5: kind of Muig Thai fucking practitioner, Ken Flow. I mean,

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Speaker 5: what do you have for us on just this individual strike,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was absolutely gorgeous.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think The key to setting his pace

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Speaker 6: Weapon, but this just semed much sharper from John Jones.

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Speaker 6: It was landing very cleanly. It was disrupting the advancement

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Speaker 6: You know, first of all, just the range alone, the

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Speaker 4: And it was in tight where John Jones was landing.

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Speaker 6: That back kick, you know, and he had step A

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Speaker 6: Just to he's playing chess. Everyone else is playing checkers.

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Speaker 5: His job was fantastic. Teddy Atlas was raving about it

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Speaker 5: Jones said during the postfight scrum that he doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 5: beings are built like teflon, okay, and I know black

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Speaker 5: Anderson Silva's taking punishment from Anderson Silva. When excuse me,

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Speaker 5: Anderson Silva's taking punishment from Chai Son and Kenny and

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Speaker 5: Jail's like mangling his face and taking elbows and Anderson

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Speaker 5: just won't cut open. Now, those aren't John Jones type

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Speaker 5: But Daniel Cormy a very hard guy to cut open.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're just not cutting that guy open. Steep

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Speaker 5: a Miachich Man like bro. He ate so many massive,

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Speaker 5: massive elbows. I watched it back This fight easily could

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely thought that there was an argument for

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Speaker 6: You know, it's one thing. It's one thing to throw

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Speaker 6: The way that John Jones does and the speed in

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Speaker 6: it is just nasty.

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Speaker 4: And it's a testament to the toughness of step Miachic

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Speaker 6: But man, he was eating a lot of very very

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Speaker 5: So I don't like when people, fans, talking heads criticize

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 6: A big concern of mind heading into this was the

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Speaker 6: and again he was forty two years old. Father Time

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Speaker 6: just based on his studious approach to martial arts into learning,

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Speaker 4: So not only was there a physical.

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Speaker 6: Advantage as far as link speed, yeah, the technical advantage

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Speaker 4: So it was tough for him. Man, he was battling

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Speaker 5: That's be an advantage will seemingly not be there for

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Speaker 5: John Jones against Tom aspen All. Plenty more on that

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Speaker 5: Brendan shab and others have insinuated, Steve A. Miyachich just

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: This is the greatest of all time. I love the

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think that John Jones's experience and his desire to

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Speaker 4: So it was a couple things.

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Speaker 6: First of all, I think the whole aspinall thing and

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Speaker 4: And number two, he does not want to distract himself

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if I just get by him, I got this

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Speaker 5: And step A is the man right, like he's not

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Speaker 5: So in terms of in terms of John Jos's John

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Speaker 6: Now if Aspinall is gonna be that next guy, the

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Speaker 4: That's where Stepe was landing some shots.

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Speaker 6: And someone like Aspinall, who is so fast and powerful,

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Speaker 6: The dude is just way too dangerous. But other than that, dude,

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Speaker 6: John Jones is special. We knew that he's still special

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Speaker 6: excited to see that Aspinall fight.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, So I think it's sixteen championship banners. Now for

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Speaker 5: John Jones, somehow, someway, there's so many different components to

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Speaker 5: he fought guys. Right, John Jones has a crazy, crazy

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Speaker 5: list of legends in his way, Kenny, And even when

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Speaker 5: martial arts, you know, So can we just stop and

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Speaker 5: take a minute and admire this legacy, Kenny, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I imagine your Mount Rushmore begins, John Jones, George San Pierre,

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Speaker 5: Demetrius Johnson, No I mean, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty much it man.

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Speaker 6: To have that level of consistency over the different generations

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Speaker 4: It's a testament to John Jones as a competitor.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 6: Say what you will about him, but this dude, it

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Speaker 4: And this is a rare, rare thing that we are witnessing.

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Speaker 6: And we probably knew that when he won the champion

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Speaker 5: Twenty three youngest champion in USC history. So Kenny, Derek,

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Speaker 5: Derek Cleary gave step A Miachich round two. Do Yeah

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Speaker 5: you didn't, did you?

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what round. Derek clearly was watching there.

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Speaker 6: I certainly did not see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a little scary, a little scary, right.

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Speaker 5: That's a good human being right there, Derek Cleary. But

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Speaker 5: I mean, had he lucidly been seeing it, he would

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Speaker 5: D Rock seems like a really good dude. Congratulations to

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Speaker 5: John Jones, you know, Congratulations to John Jones. I'm sorry

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Speaker 5: if people just want to write hateful things, but congratulations

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Speaker 5: I must kent flow. Yes, he had me just dying

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Speaker 5: I will be listening to your podcast or whatever content

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Speaker 5: you're throwing out there, and congratulations. I hope the check clears.

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Speaker 5: I would imagine it will. All right, let us get

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Speaker 5: to the elephant in the room that is Tom aspinall

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Speaker 5: you'r UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion of the World who will

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Speaker 5: now fight John Jones to unify the heavyweight titles at

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Speaker 5: UFC three something. It shall be done twenty or twenty

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Speaker 5: five million for Johnny Bones to show. And that is

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Speaker 5: how it's going to be optimism of bounds that we

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Speaker 5: are going to get John Jones versus Tom aspinall Kenny

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Speaker 5: Tommy met with the Brass. I interviewed Johnny after the fact.

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Speaker 5: I mean your level of excitement for UFC three something

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Speaker 6: Went up and went up after the performance from John Jones.

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Speaker 6: And you use elephant in the room, I would use

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Speaker 6: I think just his speed and power alone is going

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Speaker 4: But I think this is the fight.

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Speaker 6: It's the fight to either cement John Jones as the

439
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Speaker 6: greatest of all time or it's the fight to usher

440
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Speaker 6: in a new generation of champion, a guy who truly,

441
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 6: you know, encompasses all the things that you want to

442
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 6: see in a heavyweight right. I mean everything from you know,

443
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 6: the looks, the size, the speed, the athleticism, his ability

444
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 6: to finish you in any way, shape or form. You know,

445
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 6: this is a guy who could have the belt for many,

446
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 6: many years, and it's not exactly clear to me who

447
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 6: would win that fight. All that stuff combined makes for

448
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 6: a pretty amazing fight and probably one of the biggest

449
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Speaker 6: fights of all time. So I want to see it, man,

450
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Speaker 6: I want to see it, and I want to see

451
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Speaker 6: it sometime in early twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if you'll see it early twenty

453
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Speaker 5: twenty five. I'd imagine maybe International Fight Week would be

454
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Speaker 5: about as ambitious. I wouldn't be surprised if Well, I'm

455
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Speaker 5: not going to say anything else on that, but I

456
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 5: want to get back to something that you said before

457
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Speaker 5: I ask you to. I think you have a dog,

458
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 5: if not several, so you might have to put one

459
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 5: of those dogs lives on the line. Here. As we

460
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Speaker 5: look at an early betting line for John Jones and

461
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Speaker 5: Tom Aspall, it has bounced around a little bit. I

462
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 5: think Tom Aspinall was favored at one point in time.

463
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Speaker 5: Within the last forty eight hours. Now it's like minus

464
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Speaker 5: one town on both sides. But you talked about a

465
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Speaker 5: win over Tom aspinall cementing John Jones as the goat,

466
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Speaker 5: and I just I don't see it that way at all. Right, Like,

467
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: so people are gonna denigrate him beating step A at

468
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Speaker 5: forty two. Now, I said on the broadcast that this

469
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Speaker 5: is not the Steve A me. It's just that Daniel

470
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Speaker 5: Cormier beat. But you can only beat the guys in

471
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Speaker 5: your bracket, you know, if the Carolina Panthers and the

472
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 5: New England Patriots are on the schedule of the LA Chargers,

473
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 5: you gotta go out and beat those teams, you know.

474
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Speaker 5: So Steve shows up in John Jones's bracket when he's

475
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Speaker 5: forty two. But Daniel Cormier is much more a heavyweight

476
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Speaker 5: in my opinion than John Jones is, even though they

477
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 5: both made two oh five. Right now, Joe Rogan would say,

478
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 5: you're fucking insane. DC's a middleweight, okay, But John Jones

479
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 5: Kenny is not a heavyweight, and he just beat the

480
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: consensus greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. So now he's

481
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Speaker 5: gotta fucking beat Tommy to be the goat. Like, I

482
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Speaker 5: just I think it's so fifty to fifty. I just

483
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 5: think it's a pick and fight, And I think it's

484
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Speaker 5: a fight that's gonna get two way actual And you know,

485
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: I don't want to quote DC too much, but you know,

486
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Speaker 5: I think DC would be one who would think it'd

487
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 5: be a little crazy that you get John Jones at

488
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Speaker 5: plus one forty against Tom Aspinall, you know, especially given

489
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Speaker 5: what we saw this past Saturday night. But yeah, Aspinall

490
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: figures to be the faster guy. He figures to be

491
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Speaker 5: certainly a popular choice I think among a lot of

492
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Speaker 5: people in the fight game, just given the youth and

493
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Speaker 5: the speed and the power. But I don't think, you know,

494
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Speaker 5: I think John Jones ow's this sport nothing, you know,

495
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Speaker 5: as far as fighting Tom. You know, I'm with you absolutely,

496
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Speaker 5: And this is why I think John is a little

497
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 5: bit hesitant or trying to maybe get as much interest

498
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: in money for this fight because again, right if he loses,

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 5: and I guess it comes down to.

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Speaker 6: The way that he would lose against Aspinall, if that

501
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 6: does go down, of how that affects his legacy. For

502
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Speaker 6: some people, it may be like you know what, I

503
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Speaker 6: don't care John jones bottom lateness career. John Jones is

504
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 6: still the goat. I would argue it would affect his

505
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 6: legacy significantly. If he goes out there in aspinall starches

506
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 6: them in round one, I think it would get because

507
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 6: the people's perception of John Jones is also already kind

508
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 6: of jaded because of a myriad of things. Whether that's

509
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 6: legit or not, I don't know, but the way that

510
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 6: it goes down I think could affect how people perceive

511
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 6: him in the future. Whether that's legit or not, I

512
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 6: don't know, but I think that's why John Jones is

513
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 6: so careful about taking this fight and when he takes

514
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 6: this fight. So if you're saying maybe later on next year,

515
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Speaker 6: I think that's probably a good thing. Give John Jones

516
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Speaker 6: as much time to prep for this one, and I

517
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Speaker 6: think we'll see an even better fight because of that.

518
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Speaker 5: No, I love it. Yeah. I mean to suggest that

519
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 5: a quick knockout loss, or even any type of loss,

520
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 5: I guess wouldn't be legacy affecting. I guess isn't speaking

521
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 5: the total truth. But yeah, my appetite for that fight

522
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: is just healthy. I mean, my number one fight right

523
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 5: now would be Drink's Due plus e versus Kamzat Chibayev.

524
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine, But this is right there

525
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: and I do think it's going to happen. I just

526
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 5: think when you hear John Jones invoke the name Jake Paul,

527
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 5: I think it tells you all you need to know

528
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: that he just needs twenty or twenty five million to

529
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Speaker 5: show or whatever his number is, and he's absolutely worth it,

530
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: and I think they will pay it and it's all

531
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Speaker 5: good and the fight is going to happen. Now. I

532
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: can understand why Danna doesn't necessarily want to make John

533
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: Jones versus Alex Padata, but I just sometimes feel like Kenny,

534
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 5: George Saint Pierre and John Jones are held to a

535
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 5: different standard, right, Like a lot of people are saying,

536
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: you know, John Jones was given an opportunity, and if

537
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 5: you do look back at the history, yes, John Jones

538
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: was given an opportunity, right because his teammate Rashot Evans

539
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 5: I think was maybe unable to make the walk and

540
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: John Jones was given an opportunity at twenty three and

541
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: he really deserved it based upon I think what he

542
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 5: had did in a lot of respects. But I just

543
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 5: think it's a little bit asking, a lot or lazy

544
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: to say, you know that John Jones needs to sort

545
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 5: of provide this opportunity. I mean, should GSP have stuck

546
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: around for Robert Whitaker after he came back to beat

547
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 5: Michael Bisping. You know, there was some legacy preservation that

548
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: went on with your teammate George Saint Pierre, and I

549
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 5: just think he's held to a little bit of a

550
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 5: different standard for sure.

551
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Speaker 4: And you know, I wrote about this.

552
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 6: I wrote a long article on Twitter about this and

553
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 6: talked about this very thing. John Jones doesn't need to

554
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 6: do anything. He doesn't need. He didn't need to take

555
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 6: this fight Againsteve Bay. And again he's been very careful

556
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 6: with the things that he's been doing later on his career,

557
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 6: as he should. When you've put yourself in this position,

558
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 6: you are both a fighter and a businessman. Not everyone

559
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: has this type of leverage when they're dealing with the UFC.

560
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 6: John Jones does. He can choose who he fights when

561
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 6: he fights. He's earned it. And yeah, I'm excited to

562
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 6: see how it all goes down.

563
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Speaker 5: And maybe some of the fans and again, we're just

564
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: having fun here, right, I Mean, I'm in a great

565
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: mood today, but maybe some of the fans should, you know,

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 5: thank him for at least some of the transgressions that

567
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: hurt only himself because had none of those things happened

568
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: right and the Nike deal hadn't gone away. And I mean,

569
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: this is a guy who probably left two hundred million

570
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: dollars on the table, if not more, in terms of

571
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: what he could have done. You know, if there weren't

572
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 5: some sort of side steps, right, and then if you're

573
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 5: you know, twenty eight to no or whatever the heck

574
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: he is, right, then do you stick around and fight

575
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: Tom Aspinall? If your net worth is you know, a

576
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: quarter of a billion dollars right, So we're gonna see

577
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: John Jones versus Tom Aspinall and uh, if not, people

578
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: can trot out Episode five twenty five of the Anikinploran podcast.

579
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Speaker 5: Oh we got Ray long Ago right on the Screws

580
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Speaker 5: eleven thirty am Eastern. He is the star of the

581
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Speaker 5: program the Ray long Go Minute every week here on

582
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Speaker 5: the anikin Floran Podcast. It is brought to you by

583
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Speaker 5: Ray and his wife Ray.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Hi, Hi, Hi, Hi. Are we doing guys?

585
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Speaker 5: Oh We're doing fucking fantastic. On a Wednesday, Ray, It's

586
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: great to be back home after a week in that

587
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 5: dirty championship, drought ridden city.

588
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: That city was bopping. Are you kidding?

589
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: City was awesome? And I got to say on a

590
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: Monday night too, because we had to stay a little

591
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 5: bit of extra, you know, to do a little manual labor,

592
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: and on a Monday night, New York City, it's amazing

593
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: when nobody's there. No, it's absolutely amazing, I was saying

594
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: off the top. I honestly, I absolutely love New York

595
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 5: City almost I think as much as my thirteen year

596
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 5: old daughter does. I love you too, man, I'm really

597
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: sorry about what happened with Chris Widman.

598
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Speaker 2: I mean, my gosh, gosh, I gotta tell you, man,

599
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to, you know, go get him

600
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Speaker 2: to get on the bus, and when he called, I

601
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: swear I was praying that he was bullshitting. Like. I

602
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: was like, I don't you know, I'm already nervous, you know, like,

603
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: don't do this. And he's like, no, no, that's true.

604
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: And I said, right, let me come over there. And

605
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: we went down there, and I mean I just actually

606
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: packed up and kind of went home. I was like,

607
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I just did. Thank God.

608
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: We went to the club. I thought I was rented

609
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: a room in Manhattan and was hanging out for a while.

610
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: It was like bizarre, but yeah, unfortunately, I hope Eric

611
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: Anders is all right, you know how that goes. But

612
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: Widman was, Yeah, he was devastated. We all met and

613
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, of course it's cliche, but he looked absolutely

614
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: fantastic in his shakeout and in his you know, the

615
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: day's leading up that I saw. I think Jeff Jimo

616
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: did a great job getting them ready. He looked really,

617
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: really good. He was on point mentally and physically. And

618
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. But you know, hey, life in

619
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Speaker 2: the big city.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what to say, Ken, flow right,

621
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Speaker 5: you're a native New Yorker getting ready to compete at

622
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 5: Madison Square Garden, could or could not be your final fight.

623
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Speaker 5: I know some instances, and I'm not trying to direct

624
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 5: this conversation, Kenny, I'll get out of your way. I know,

625
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 5: in some instances, when there's a late sickness like this,

626
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: the other athlete, the ill athlete, feels so badly right

627
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: that if they actually feel well enough to message their

628
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 5: opponent themselves, they do before there's any communication, almost from

629
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: another party. And maybe that's not the easiest way to

630
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: get to somebody when it's this late in the game, right,

631
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: But it's like, I don't know, man, I know Andrews

632
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: probably feels absolutely horribly, but it's like, you got to

633
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: get the message to this dude earlier than when you're

634
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 5: getting on the bus.

635
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean what we oh man, it was literally I was,

636
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, I was in the bathroom just brushing up it.

637
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: It was right there, brushing your teeth, your hair. What

638
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 5: are we brushing up?

639
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Brushing everything? My asshole? My fucking where we go with?

640
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: What are you an instigator? Don't I feel bad enough

641
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: about this?

642
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: It's horrible, man.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I've been on the other side of things where

644
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 6: on fight week, I think Tuesday before my fight on Saturday,

645
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 6: I pulled my back and had to pull out of

646
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: the fight, and I felt like crap just doing that,

647
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: not only for myself but for my opponent. Luckily ended

648
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: up getting the rematch later against the same opponent you know,

649
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 6: later that year. But yeah, it's a horrible feeling, man,

650
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 6: And but nothing like I mean, fight it's fight today,

651
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 6: and you find out I mean talking about you know,

652
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 6: taking the air out of the room.

653
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: I mean that that's horrible.

654
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: Especially, this isn't a Chris Wiman, who's you know, twenty eight,

655
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 6: you know, just getting his career started, knowing he's gonna

656
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 6: have many fights in the future that he could put together.

657
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 6: So hopefully the UFC can put this together. Of course

658
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 6: it's probably not going to be in New York City.

659
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 6: But I felt really bad for Chris and a course

660
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 6: for Eric Anders. And yeah, that's one of those things

661
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 6: you just have no control over it. Man, That's that's

662
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: the fighting, that's it.

663
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: And Anders is a good guy, so there's nothing nothing

664
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: going down that street. He's just a nice guy. So

665
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, but what what a weird just to

666
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: turn dout to be a weird weekend.

667
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying there's anything going down that street.

668
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that if if this ever happens to

669
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: you and you're a fighter, don't be afraid to message

670
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 5: your opponent on Instagram as soon as humanly possible that

671
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 5: you might not be able to make the walk, you know,

672
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: because I think that goes a long way. But yeah,

673
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 5: Eric Anders is the man, and I do hope the

674
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 5: fight comes around again. And yeah, it's hard to envision

675
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: the Madison Square garden thing coming around again. Certainly for

676
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: wymen it could come around again, you know, But what

677
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 5: are your thoughts? I mean, wouldn't you like to sort

678
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 5: of take advantage of this training camp and try to

679
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: fight like December seventh?

680
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a that's a likely possibility right now.

681
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're looking at. Uh. You know,

682
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: obviously at a Catchwight. I don't want to see him

683
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: doing too much onto his body. I mean, those weight

684
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: cuts aren't easy. He's getting older, so that's you know.

685
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: I'd love to see the same fight at a catchweight

686
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: for both guys, you know.

687
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: Oh yes, Raymond. I mean, what do you need to

688
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: do to make that happen other than be handsome? Wiman

689
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 5: versus Anders UFC three ten at a catch weight of

690
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety seven pounds. What are we doing?

691
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: Well? I think my handsomeness has gotten in that fight

692
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: on December seventh, But I'm not sure. There we go.

693
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 5: I love it. That's a messing, he loves it. Five

694
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: five hundred and twenty five. To play some fucking news, Chris,

695
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 5: Why i'man fighting hopefully Eric Anders Catchwaight maybe one ninety five.

696
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: I'd prefer one ninety seven, but we'll do it a

697
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: one ninety five and you have three ten. It was

698
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: nice to see you and your lovely wife. What a

699
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: power couple. Oh my god.

700
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Ah. She loves everybody Cody. She loves, she loves,

701
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: she loves the mirrow.

702
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 5: She's a fan of Cody.

703
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.

704
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: Does she have any friends Cody single?

705
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: Wow?

706
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 5: Oh oh wow, it's just to conversation.

707
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: I think she's got some friends for Code. How old is.

708
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 8: It?

709
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 5: Doesn't know? He don't discriminate, you know, as he'll date

710
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 5: as young as twenty three and as old as I

711
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: would think forty nine.

712
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, we got plenty of hy Eddy.

713
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: I mean, Cody is not he's forty nine too old.

714
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: Would you date a forty nine year old Cody?

715
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: No? How old is Cody?

716
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 5: Cody's in his early thirties. We keep I feel like

717
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 5: he's thirty or thirty one. But I tend to like

718
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: Benjamin Button the kid Cody chime in anytime. Would you

719
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: date a fucking forty nine year old or not? We're

720
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 5: live Jesus Christ. You get the absolutely not, absolutely not.

721
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: Have you seen some of those forty nine year olds?

722
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: Cody have you seen some of those forty nine year

723
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: olds serious? And you wouldn't and you wouldn't date we're

724
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: not talking about Maryland. We're talking about dat not again.

725
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 5: No sou all right, So that's enough on that. So yes, No,

726
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: I feel really badly for Chris and uh to quickly

727
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: acknowledge all the people who come to see these athletes.

728
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: It's right, plan the weekend around it and spend thousands

729
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 5: of dollars and then it's like, oh, we're still going

730
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: to go to UFC three on nine. In fact, we're

731
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 5: already three drinks deep and we're literally a rocks throw

732
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 5: from Madison Square Garden, right, And so, uh, yeah, it's

733
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: just an inconvenient truth of of the fight game, you know.

734
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think he was excited to fight in

735
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: front of the incoming president. I don't know if he

736
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: knew he was going when he was coming in, but uh,

737
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: the big hoopla John. The first guy he says the

738
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: lot is who Kenny? Who's he go over to.

739
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 5: Security detail, which is me right.

740
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: Only the only the only Kenny, the only Democrat in

741
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: the guard. He went right over. That's what a nice guy.

742
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: He went right over hugged John I think he shook

743
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: John Sam but Rogan Rogan got a big hug man.

744
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: He sucked him right in there.

745
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: Why did people try to to sort of, you know,

746
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: pin me politically. I'm registered independent if you really want

747
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: to know.

748
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, But anyway, we have fun with this stuff.

749
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 5: So it is funny, right Trump, And if your audio

750
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 5: only you won't see this gesture but arms out to

751
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: the side. Trump's like, hey, right now. Him reuniting with

752
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 5: Joe Rogan after the election was going to be a

753
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 5: big moment because Joe Rogan, if you don't know, I

754
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: think was pivotal, if not instrumental, and re elected. Right,

755
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 5: So their reunion Okay, I'm sorry, sorry, Ray if I'm

756
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 5: saying something that's very simple. Okay, but for those that

757
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 5: don't know, the reunion between those two is going to

758
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: be something, right, But obviously I am between Trump and Joe. So,

759
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: but it was just funny how he sticks his arms

760
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 5: out to the side, you know. And so somebody asked me, like, hey, John,

761
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: you know that that reaction was for Joe and not you,

762
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 5: And it's like, yes, Sebastian, I understand that forty seven's

763
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 5: reaction was not for me, but I will say, say

764
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 5: whatever you want about him, right, but what my observations

765
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 5: are are are just like how the connection between him

766
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 5: and his sons, right, and how his sons are just

767
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: warmly going over and making sure that you know their

768
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: dad who's creeping on eighties doing okay physically, and you know,

769
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 5: at one point just like rubbing his back or whatever.

770
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: So I saw that familial connection. That was an observation.

771
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: And after he connects with Joe Rogan, you know, it

772
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 5: would be so easy. And I can't tell you how

773
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: many executives walk right the fuck past me or celebrities. Right,

774
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 5: this dude stops and shakes my hand again out of respect.

775
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 5: So take that for what it's worth.

776
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: You know he has you're his favorite commentator.

777
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: But most day lists really couldn't give a rip about me,

778
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 5: and he has always been very respectful.

779
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: So I was pulling for press secretary for this guy.

780
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you, I'm great enough. I don't know how

781
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: to make that happen, I swear to you. I said

782
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 5: to somebody within my very close inner circle within the

783
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: last seventy two hours that I wish I knew who

784
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 5: to talk to to try to see if Trump would

785
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 5: consider making me his press secretary, or at least now

786
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 5: I understand how woefully underqualified I am in certain respects.

787
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 5: But I do have a bachelor's degree in political journalism.

788
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: I did write a senior thesis on how the media

789
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: underminds American democracy, and I feel like I can oorate

790
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 5: in a way that maybe could step around some of

791
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: my weaknesses.

792
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: Wow, that doesn't sound like a Magar indorsement. Kenny nothing

793
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: does well.

794
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 6: John is quick on the mic, He's crazy, he'd be

795
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 6: the perfect guy.

796
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: He knows how. I mean, I think that's a good fit.

797
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it? Do it?

798
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 5: I mean I've always wanted to like work for a team,

799
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: you know, like it sounds amazing to work for like

800
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: the UFC, or to work for the Boston Celtics. Uh

801
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: so to work for like a team that sounds maybe

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 5: uh more appealing than maybe just like being on TV forever,

803
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: you know. But anyway, so we haven't talked about Charles Olavera,

804
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: nor gotten thoughts on John Jones. And it's forty one

805
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: past the hour, So Raymond, what do you have for

806
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 5: us on the on the John Jones stepe fight before

807
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 5: we move forward?

808
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: Uh? Made it look easy?

809
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

810
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: The guys. The guy's a freak athlete. He's you know,

811
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: outside of his uh antics, outside of the octagon. He

812
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: definitely is probably the greatest guy to ever do it

813
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: in there. I mean, he made that fight look easy

814
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: with Stepe. I thought step A had a legitimate chance,

815
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: and I feel sorry for steep A, you know, I know,

816
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: I know. Spinned back kicks are killers, man, they really are.

817
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: They shut it down.

818
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 4: So ray what what was it?

819
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 6: Was it John Jones? Was it Steepe getting older? Was

820
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 6: it a combination of both? What's your take? And he's gone?

821
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 5: He sounded so underwhelmed by John Jones and then and

822
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: then just like that, as if spinning back kicks happened

823
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: at every single Ring of Combat show.

824
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: Oh he waited till I got off the goddamnit, his guys,

825
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: horrible what happened?

826
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, sounds so underwhelmed. When I ask

827
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: about John Jones or your body language, I'm not doing much.

828
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not that. But uh no, no, I

829
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: think he'll look. I think it's a it's a combination.

830
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: I think Steve as getting older, he was inactive. I

831
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: thought that would be a benefit to him, and that

832
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: first round was horrendous. So I mean, was it the

833
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: first round you know that took everything out of him

834
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: and then you know he slowly declined, or you know,

835
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: is the other guy just that good where you know

836
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: he took Steve A down with that old school yard trip.

837
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: That's that's crazy. So uh no, hats off to him,

838
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: and he did good. You know, he embraced a moment.

839
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: I think he uh, you know, it was it was

840
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: a good thing at the end of the day.

841
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: But Ray, if you're just looking at the martial arts, right,

842
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: his jab looked outstanding. You mentioned the schoolyard trip, and

843
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: then he's got three and a half to four inches

844
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: of real estate on steep Bay's side. Step A lowered

845
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 5: his guard, Like if you watch it back, steep A

846
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: actually defensively lowered his guard and John Jones still got

847
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: his whole healing there. And I and it's okay, right,

848
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: like if people don't want to celebrate it because of

849
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: past transgressions, right, But I'm just saying, like a lot

850
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: of what we talked about before you went on is

851
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 5: just a lot of the masses want to discredit John

852
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 5: Jones's win either because Steve Ba's forty two or because

853
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 5: of things he's done in the past. So that's not

854
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: what I'm here for necessarily. But when I ask you

855
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 5: about John Jones, your body language is kind of telling,

856
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: and I think it does dovetail a little bit with

857
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: mass sentiment.

858
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Uh well, listen, first off, the guy technically was was awesome.

859
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Look, I was I wasn't in the

860
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: right frame of mind when I was watching the damn fight.

861
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: I just got home. I turned, you know, right left

862
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: the city. By the time I got home, I caught

863
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: the channel of fight and that fight, but I was

864
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: still reeling from you know what happened, man, So you know,

865
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: but what I but no, it was it was a

866
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: great fight. Now, you know, I like Steve a, so

867
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: you know, my my heart goes out to him. I'm

868
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: sure he's disappointed, but Jones. Look, Jones did what Jones does.

869
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: He wins, he's a winner, and he's he's super good

870
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: at what he does. Man, I don't know what else

871
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: there is to say.

872
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: Now I'm a real dick.

873
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: Huh Now why now, no, it's all good. What do

874
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: you do? Get back to when you were.

875
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: Screaming at the beginning, you were the show, watching the

876
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: fight and you were still reeling.

877
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I was like, again, I was looking

878
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: at it through a different lens. I don't know if

879
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: things would have changed, but.

880
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 5: I was, yeah, no, mustn't be good. Uh so this

881
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: co main event, right, I just have so much respect

882
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 5: for these athletes, right, And the gamut of professional athlete

883
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: runs far and wide, right, those individuals in the world

884
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: that can lay claim to being a professional athlete, right,

885
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: and how everybody who can say their professional athlete commits

886
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 5: to this sport. So, Kenny, let me just start with you, right,

887
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: these two guys are so committed to this sport and

888
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 5: MMA greatness and you know, fans win, right is trite,

889
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 5: but dude, like, just what an exceptional fight and just

890
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 5: buckets of respect for Charles Olivera and Michael Chandler.

891
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun.

892
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 6: I think that Chandler again, the best part about his

893
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 6: game is his toughness and his willingness to never go away.

894
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 4: That was clear yet again here in this fight.

895
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: But on a technical level, you know, and from a

896
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 6: strategic level, he's just not making the right changes at

897
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 6: this point of the game. And while I do think

898
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 6: his commitment to the sport is there his commitment to

899
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 6: getting better or maybe in the way that he's getting

900
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 6: better is not there.

901
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I just don't see enough changes.

902
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 6: You cannot keep up with a Charles OLIVERA if you're

903
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 6: gonna like put your head down and swing for the fences.

904
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: It's just it's just not gonna be good enough. Oliver

905
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: just has too many skills. However, his toughness is what

906
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 6: got him to the fifth round. It's what got him

907
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 6: to win that fifth round in my opinion, and for

908
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 6: him to come back in that manner was extremely impressive.

909
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 6: It's why Chandler is so loved by the MMA fan

910
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 6: base and every fight that he's in is exciting because

911
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 6: of that. But skill wise, you know, he's going to

912
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 6: struggle against the truly elite at this at this point

913
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 6: of his career, and everybody else's.

914
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ketdy, I agree with you, But I mean, I

915
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: think his commitments is to entertainment, and I tell you

916
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: there's never going to be a channel of fight where

917
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: at some point in this fight you're not gonna be

918
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: totally entertained, and I think that came into fifth and

919
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure Keeddy will agree with me on this. I

920
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: think if we could just bottle up that fifth round

921
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: and move it to somebody of the round, It's like,

922
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: you could see could do it, you know what I mean.

923
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: But I think he just gets caught up in the

924
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: entertainment and how tough he is.

925
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 6: And well he said he said he was going to

926
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 6: be less of that misfight, right, And and then that's

927
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 6: kind of what it was what I was talking about

928
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 6: when I was doing the breakdown.

929
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: It was like, you cannot change your stripes that quickly.

930
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: You just can't.

931
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 6: And I think their whole goal was to be a

932
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: little bit more methodical in their approach, and I didn't

933
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 6: see that.

934
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I don't know, all of that was

935
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: just too much.

936
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he was trying though. And then

937
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: because they kind of even said it at the end,

938
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: you gotta, you know, almost you got to bring back

939
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: the old Chandler. We got to go for it, you know,

940
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: it was that time. So uh, you know again, I

941
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: think he's from an entertainment standpoint. He's always going to

942
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: be entertainment. He's never gonna let you down. Uh, And

943
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: that might be getting in the way of some of

944
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: his technical advances that he should be making. I don't know.

945
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not with him, but uh, I think

946
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: he's the type of guy that would sacrifice technique to

947
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: give everybody a good show, even at his own peril.

948
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: And I think that's what you're seeing.

949
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 5: So I'm the dumbest mma mind in this room by

950
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 5: a considerable margin, right, But I have a slightly dissenting

951
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: opinion from you guys that I think the better move

952
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: than maybe even uttering it would be to just book

953
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: Henry Hooft on the show to sort of clear it

954
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: up or not. But Kenny, I just feel like beating

955
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: Charles olivera this twenty twenty four version if you are

956
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: Michael Chandler and bridging the gap in terms of some

957
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: of these skills, right, Like, I don't know what he's

958
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 5: supposed to do. I think his best chance to win

959
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 5: this fight is to try to extend Charles lean on

960
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 5: his cardiovascular base. Right. He was able to fucking pick

961
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 5: the guy up and squat him, you know, more impressive

962
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: than him slamming him on his back was up against

963
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: the fence without leveraging the fence. Right, Chandler was able

964
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 5: to in minute twenty four point thirty pick Charles up

965
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 5: from his back right and lift all that weight. After

966
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: all he had to do defensively and offensively to get

967
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: up to that point in time. I thought his submission

968
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 5: defense right. Again, I'm the dumbest MMA mind in this room,

969
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 5: but I thought his submission right that to deal with

970
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: Charles for as much time as he did just off

971
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 5: of his back, and you know, I thought there were

972
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: chances at the knockout again not on like the first fight.

973
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 5: He did hurt Charles on the feet like and I

974
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: don't know if the conversation would be different had he

975
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 5: actually won the fight. But you know, I just don't

976
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 5: know how you'd be coaching him, Kenny, like to try

977
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 5: to to to do differently. I just think Charles is

978
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 5: that good and just maybe just better.

979
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean the coaching. The coaching takes place

980
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 4: before the fight, doesn't take place during the fight. You

981
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: only have so many skills. It doesn't matter what the

982
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: fuck I say during the fight. If you don't have

983
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: those skills on fighting, forget what I'm gonna say. Just

984
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: forget it. And you know, okay, he slammed them.

985
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 6: He slammed them when when Oliver was on his back,

986
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 6: so Oliver was in a choking position, And the best

987
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 6: part about round five.

988
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 5: For you was No, I'm saying no, I'm talking about

989
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 5: the coaching that happens before the fight for all. I'm

990
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 5: talking about his cardiovascular base to sustain in twenty four thirty.

991
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 5: There's not another lightweight in my mind that could have

992
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 5: necessarily picked up Charles after the way that fight had

993
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 5: gotten at that point in time. So he's putting himself

994
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 5: in position to win, in my opinion, with his strength

995
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 5: and conditioning right and by using what are his God

996
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 5: given tools, which are power and athleticism. You know, I

997
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 5: think he's working within the realm of who he is now. Yes,

998
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 5: could he don the gee? Like what I'm asking you, yes,

999
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 5: is if you had eight weeks with Michael Chandler, what

1000
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 5: would you do to try to affect change? Because again,

1001
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 5: even if he lost four to one, he he he

1002
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 5: put himself in a position to win the fight late

1003
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 5: and to me, when you're plus two forty, that's pretty

1004
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 5: damn good.

1005
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: No, dude, and listen, it's impressive from a conditioning standpoint.

1006
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: But there's a reason why crossfitters don't do mma either, right,

1007
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: I Mean, it's like, okay, yes, let's do that. But

1008
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: also what are you doing skill wise? What are you

1009
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 4: doing strategically to allow you to win that fight? And

1010
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 4: he was clearly overwhelmed. You can't be dropping your hands

1011
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 4: and dropping your head and throwing overhead bombs in twenty

1012
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 4: twenty four, and certainly not against guys like OLIVERA. He's

1013
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: just too damn good and I think, you know, defensively

1014
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: for him to survive in a lot of those spots. Yes,

1015
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: his toughness was leading the way, no question, but you

1016
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: know that's that's been the mark of Chandler throughout his career,

1017
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: and the fact that he can still do that is

1018
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: impressive as hell. I think a lot of lesser fighters

1019
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 4: would have been finished by Oliver by probably round three,

1020
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: and because of that, he's an absolute stud. But from

1021
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 4: a skills perspective, he was overwhelmed by OLIVERA. You know.

1022
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, both I think both y is are really

1023
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: right in so many things. But again, I think even

1024
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: when he was on his back and John, I agree

1025
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: with you, you know, just to do that, but I think

1026
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: Kenny was leading you down another path, but not that

1027
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: it was technically that. That's what I'm saying, Kenny, he

1028
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: chose those big moments, knowing that it probably wasn't gonna

1029
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: get him nothing but applause from the fans of what

1030
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: he was doing. It was hysterical and he was picking

1031
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: up was like a WWE match, you know, when the

1032
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: guy's gonna win and he's dragging them across the ring

1033
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: and then he bombs them instead of dealing with it

1034
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: the right way and maybe making something happen. I think

1035
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: that's maybe a good example of what he did. He

1036
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: went for the entertainment value, and I think he got it,

1037
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm not saying it was

1038
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: technically correct, but for me at that stage, and like again,

1039
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: I was looking through it differently. I thought it was

1040
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: hysterical what he was doing, and it does take a

1041
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: lot of strength and perseverance to get into that fifth round.

1042
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: So he's got the qualities. They just got to hone

1043
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: them in and you know, see if they could get

1044
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: him to do a couple of different things. But yeah,

1045
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: eight weeks isn't an amount of time to even do anything. John,

1046
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: That's a I would say that's a year away.

1047
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: Well, but nothing if not time, right, So I'm saying,

1048
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 5: if you were going to try to put him in

1049
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 5: a position where in like a title eliminator type setting

1050
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 5: that he would be more of a point fighter. Maybe

1051
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 5: I'm just asking, would the focus be the striking defense? Right?

1052
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 5: Would that? And it sounds like that would be a

1053
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 5: big part of it, you know, I'm just.

1054
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 4: Even even striking offense.

1055
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1056
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 6: It's like I think, and this is what Well, I'm

1057
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 6: sure we'll get to bow Nickel, but you can't throw

1058
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 6: one shot and expect to be effective every single time.

1059
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 6: And I think he wasn't putting together combinations. It was

1060
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 6: just kind of winging shots hoping that they land and

1061
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 6: right right, yeah, right, yeah.

1062
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: You see that touch of amateurist, I think is what

1063
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: you're saying, where he's just putting his head down swinging

1064
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 2: that that should go out the window. I think that's

1065
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: a real factor of Olaver and really knowing how to

1066
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: use his reach and holding that range. He just had

1067
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: a huge advantage in height and length. And I think

1068
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: you see that happen a lot. The guy backed himself

1069
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: to the Cajun. He's going to look to swing for

1070
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: defenses and hope to catch it. But Olivera is too

1071
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: skilled for that. You know, he's seeing that stuff coming

1072
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: a mile away. But yeah, I don't know, just a

1073
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: good dude. Again. I think, you know, entertainment wise, he's

1074
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: never going to disappoint you. But I would like to

1075
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: see him technically, you know, get a little better in

1076
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: certain areas that he's struggling in Ray.

1077
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: How much more time do you have?

1078
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: I got some time.

1079
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 5: Oh that's amazing, that's amazing. We'll throw an election on

1080
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: the kiddy next month. Kenny Charles Olivera, So I think

1081
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: he maybe is the most beloved fighter in the sport

1082
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 5: if a Lex Poeton today is the biggest superstar in

1083
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 5: the sport right now, just you know, I just love

1084
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: the extent to which Charles is loved, right if you

1085
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 5: know what this kid has been through over a million

1086
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 5: dollars now in career bonuses. You can take this wherever

1087
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: you want on the Olivera front. But I guess I'm

1088
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 5: just curious how you think about this situation now where

1089
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: he's right there, but he has he has fought Islam

1090
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: and armand who are fighting for the title, you know,

1091
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 5: in recent fights.

1092
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: So I think that Olivera was certainly more technical or

1093
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 6: early on in his career, but he's always been exciting

1094
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 6: and what I've seen from Oliver is a guy who's

1095
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 6: committed to getting better technically even you know, he had

1096
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 6: some rough spots against Chandler, but defensively he's getting better.

1097
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: So you could see that his Yes.

1098
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 6: The way he fights is going to be entertaining, but

1099
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 6: his main goal is not to entertain. It's to go

1100
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 6: out there and kill that motherfucker in front of him.

1101
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 6: And pardon my language, but that's just the way he fights.

1102
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 6: He's an absolute killer. He's trying to win by any

1103
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 6: means necessary, whether it's on the feed or on the ground.

1104
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 4: That's why he's so exciting and also his his commitment

1105
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: to master this very very difficult sport. So he's still

1106
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 4: in the conversation. For me, he's exciting as hell.

1107
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 6: He has so many different tools and it was yet

1108
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 6: an the fight from Charles olivera. So that's why he's

1109
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 6: he's such a fan favorite. You know, whether it's in

1110
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 6: Brazil or outside of Brazil, the kid is an absolute stud.

1111
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yo, looks we see this happen in a

1112
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: lot of divisions. There's a guy that could beat ninety

1113
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: eight percent of the people, he just can't beat the champ.

1114
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what we have don't. I don't think

1115
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: he'll ever beat Islam. You know, I know nothing about that. Ah,

1116
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying, O, Kenny.

1117
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: That's that's the problem. There's always there's that disparage at

1118
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: the top that you're just not gonna make up. And

1119
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: he's good, man, he's really fucking good, but he's never

1120
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: gonna I don't think he's beaten beating that guy.

1121
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ana comforan podcast live on YouTube. Thanks to everybody

1122
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 5: for joining us as such, Tom Aspinall versus John Jones,

1123
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 5: Ray Longo, to save your dog Lucky's life, We're actually

1124
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 5: gonna need a prediction today. Even though the oh it's

1125
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 5: Lucky in the room. I was gonna say, you looked

1126
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 5: up to your right well her from in months here

1127
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 5: on the Acing Flooring podcast, and we appreciate the shit

1128
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: out of that.

1129
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: I think it's because I wasn't feeding her first. Now

1130
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 2: I feed her first, and she's fine.

1131
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 4: There you go.

1132
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 5: So to save Lucky's life, right, you have to get

1133
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 5: your ticket from the sportsbook today, Tom Aspinall versus John Jones,

1134
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: Who do you love?

1135
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: Tom Aspinall?

1136
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 5: Okay, you can expand upon that for our audience or not.

1137
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: I think that's the fight to make you know, it's

1138
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, let it go in the other direction where

1139
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: an older guy's fighting a younger guy, you know what

1140
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: I mean. So we'll see how that works out. But

1141
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: I like Tom Aspinall. He's on fire right now. He's

1142
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: blowing through everybody and he's got the size, the strength,

1143
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: the athleticism, the youth, and the desire and the hunger

1144
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: as to where he is. So I think that's a

1145
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: lot going for him. Whereas John is a great talented fighter,

1146
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: but he's you know, looking at the tail end of

1147
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: his career and we'll see what happens. But go ahead, Kenny.

1148
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 6: Sorry, Well, so I will say this, right from the

1149
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 6: skills perspective, size, athleticism, all that stuff, Aspinall is going

1150
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 6: to be a damn problem.

1151
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1152
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 6: The difference is I have yet to see Aspinall encounter

1153
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 6: that much adversity in a fight. It's it's he goes

1154
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 6: out there and just destroys everybody. I'm waiting for that

1155
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 6: Alexander Gustafson John Jones type fight from Aspenall. Then we'll

1156
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 6: find out what Aspinall is and if John Jones can

1157
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 6: make it that kind of a fight and test that

1158
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 6: dog for the very first time in the UFC. Anyway,

1159
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 6: I don't know about his fights outside of the UFC.

1160
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 6: That's where things get interesting. That's where we find out

1161
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 6: who call me is. But yeah, I want to see

1162
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 6: that fight, man, That's.

1163
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to see the fight. But you're

1164
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: you're bringing up a great point. That's a really really

1165
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: solid point, like we haven't had to We hadn't had

1166
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: to see him dig down in the trenches and do anything,

1167
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: and and Jones has and he does find a way

1168
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: to win, and he finds a way to hang in

1169
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: there or whatever it is. He's just you know, he's

1170
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: looking good. But that's that's literally the fight to make

1171
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: more than the Perira fight.

1172
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jones really doesn't look the part of natural heavyweight

1173
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 5: to me, which certainly is a handicapping angle in the fight. Kenny,

1174
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: if you had to place a bet on that fight today,

1175
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 5: do you care to be put on the spot like

1176
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 5: Ray or No.

1177
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 7: Don't do it, Johnny gosh Man, Well, no, I mean

1178
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 7: if I would be okay, go ahead, Well no, I'm

1179
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 7: just saying, if it's really that close, that's just speaks

1180
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 7: to how amazing it is if it happened.

1181
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, dude, it's the fight they got to make.

1182
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 6: It's a massive, massive fight. I'd be leaning towards Jones

1183
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 6: because of that thing that we just talked about, right,

1184
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 6: you know, he's amazing when he gets on top of people.

1185
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 6: He's amazing on the feet, what aspinall's jiu jitsu like

1186
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 6: what he's on his back?

1187
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so that's a really huge point.

1188
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 6: You know, what's it like when he's grinding in the

1189
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 6: clinch for you know, fifteen minutes. You know, he's he's

1190
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 6: starting everybody first or second round, and John Jones certainly

1191
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 6: has the experience to be able to drag him into

1192
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 6: those later rounds and then see if he could sink.

1193
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 4: So I'd be leaning towards towards Jones. But it's close.

1194
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: John.

1195
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 5: Hey, Ray, Yeah, I like you. Nakuda T shirt, turbomone,

1196
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

1197
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: Can we get this guy in the UFC please? At

1198
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: this point, I don't even know what I'm looking at anymore.

1199
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: I'll see if if I can affect change when it

1200
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 5: comes to that initiative, let's talk about Bo Nichol if

1201
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 5: we could, because I don't know I don't know what

1202
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: to think about. What a lot of other people that

1203
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: I trust think about what we just saw Saturday night?

1204
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 5: And reads bon Nickel by unanimous decision over Paul Baer

1205
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 5: ju Krei thirty twenty seven times three, Ken flow, you

1206
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 5: got a nice fancy microphone. Tell us what you saw?

1207
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: All right, let's see. Hopefully bon Nickel doesn't yell at

1208
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: me after this.

1209
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: No, listen.

1210
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: I think it was a good win. I think it

1211
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 4: was a good win.

1212
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with what he did as far as

1213
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 6: getting the W in his approach there.

1214
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 4: That's fine.

1215
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 6: I thought he was. It was clear, there was no

1216
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 6: question about that. I think where people are a little

1217
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 6: disappointed is his footwork and his inability to put together combinations.

1218
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 6: To me, what makes you a great striker or someone

1219
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 6: who's comfortable in the striking realm is when you can

1220
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 6: sit in there, throw two, three, four, five strikes in

1221
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 6: a row, get out, and then do it again. He's

1222
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 6: looking for one big shot. Now he's landing those shots.

1223
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: Awesome. But I was also a little I was.

1224
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 6: Kind of scratching my head a little bit that bow

1225
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 6: Nickel didn't try to take Paul Craig down. And you know,

1226
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 6: you could talk about Paul Craig's arm locks and his

1227
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 6: triangles and all that stuff.

1228
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: Listen, it's very easy to nullify those things positionally. Bo

1229
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: Nichol is a tremendous wrestler. You know, I would have

1230
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: liked to see him try to get things going on

1231
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 4: the ground as well.

1232
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 6: Maybe he just felt he was so dominant on the

1233
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 6: feet he didn't need to, but I was looking for

1234
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 6: more development on the striking. And I also wanted to

1235
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 6: see him initiate some ground stuff against Paul Craig, and

1236
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 6: I didn't see that. But hey, not every fight's gonna

1237
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 6: be perfect. A win is a win in the UFC,

1238
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 6: and it's not easy to do.

1239
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna side with bow Nicchol

1240
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: on this like he's I think he's made it pretty

1241
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: clear he wants to work his way up and grow

1242
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: as he's on the job. I don't know why anybody

1243
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: is pushing back on this kid. He's not out there,

1244
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: he's not breaking do show and talking shit and I

1245
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: could kill everybody. He's kind of telling you what he's doing.

1246
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: He's he's on the job training and I thought the

1247
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: fight was great. He's a wrestler that stood up with

1248
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: a guy that looked like he was in three way

1249
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: classes bigger than him, and he dominated the stand up.

1250
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: What do you want from the guy? He got fifteen

1251
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: minutes of work that, you know, without any wrestling. That's

1252
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: gonna serve him a lot moving forward in his training

1253
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: and his progression. And I don't know why this guy

1254
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: would get any pushback whatsoever? Uh, you know, at all?

1255
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he's that well.

1256
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 4: Didn't he call out comes up? Didn't he call out

1257
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 4: homs out at one point after one of his fights?

1258
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, Okaddy, I don't know. He might have, but

1259
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: like again, it if he did, it wasn't one of

1260
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: those things where you know, like you're even gonna He

1261
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: might have said something and passed it. But I don't

1262
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: think he's that guy where he's making you know, it's

1263
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: not like Connor McGregor or some of these other guys

1264
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: are Patty Pemblet, who you know, their their voices just

1265
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: you know before where they're at in their career. This guy's,

1266
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: like again, he's on the job training. That was a

1267
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: great matchup for him. He got to grow in that

1268
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: fight a lot. I think as a coach. I'd be

1269
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: happy with that and I'd move him right along. You

1270
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: knows huge, And how many fights does a guy have.

1271
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 5: Now, seven or eight?

1272
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 4: And in the UFC, how many does he have?

1273
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 5: Four?

1274
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1275
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 5: I think four, and well he had two on the

1276
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 5: Contender series. But yes, Ray, I mean I agree with

1277
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 5: everything you say. He wants to slow play this. He

1278
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 5: has always suggested as much. Now, yes, one time he

1279
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: did invoke the name Kamza Chimaiev. I don't recall it

1280
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 5: being actually in the octagon, But you're right, like he

1281
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 5: is confident as opposed to being cocky. I we sit

1282
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 5: down with Paul Craig and he says to us, oh,

1283
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 5: Nicol's not going to try to take me down unless

1284
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 5: it's late in the round, right when you're assessing this challenge.

1285
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 5: And again I say this as the dumbest MMA mind

1286
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 5: in this room. Paul Craig is a developing striker. And

1287
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 5: if you're still a developing striker eighteen fights into your

1288
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 5: UFC career, it hasn't developed as expeditiously as you would like.

1289
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Speaker 5: Paul Craig would be the first to admit that to

1290
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 5: us in the Fighter meeting. Paul Craig knows himself inside

1291
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 5: and out. He's a thinking man's fighter. He knows his weaknesses.

1292
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 5: And I do believe that Bonika wanted the striking minutes

1293
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 5: against a guy who he felt was a grossly inferior striker.

1294
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 5: And we're sitting there and maybe some of the narrative

1295
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 5: becomes with some of these social media posts that it's

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 5: one one and I'm thinking, like, what is going on here?

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 5: And then the crowd's chanting overrated, and then you know,

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01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 5: I don't even know what I'm watching, right, And then

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 5: I know DC did inject the name calms out on

1300
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 5: the broadcast, and I know maybe bo took issue with that,

1301
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 5: and there's a lot to sort of unpack here. But man, Ray,

1302
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 5: we could not be more aligned. I know we don't

1303
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 5: always agree, but Kenny, I want to give you the

1304
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 5: last word on this. Yeah, I would have liked to

1305
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 5: seen some takedowns mixed in, right, like a pursuit to

1306
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 5: finish the fight. But as a guy who has this

1307
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 5: championship mentality that he does that has dominated and gotten

1308
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: the top of another sport, like I think he's trying

1309
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 5: to accrue minutes learn on the job, and like, I

1310
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 5: don't know, I didn't I was. I really didn't think

1311
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 5: he would have gotten booed in us Arenas.

1312
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know, you know, let's just say one thing,

1313
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: Kenny before you go, And as a coach, you want

1314
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: that that was a perfect time to practice your stand up.

1315
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: You don't get those opportunities in the UFC boxing. You

1316
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: get it your first eighteen nineteen twenty fights, but in

1317
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: MMA you could be thrown in there with a killer

1318
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: in your fourth fight. You don't have the ability to grow.

1319
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: So I think he took the opportunity to grow with

1320
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: his stand up and just get the fields a lot

1321
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: about feeling and what's coming back at you, you know,

1322
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 2: a lot of different things. You know, we know he

1323
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: could take the guy down. You know, I don't know

1324
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: if he could, but we assume he could, and he did.

1325
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: I really think he had a very smart fight, and

1326
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: I think it was a growing fight for him. And

1327
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: I think people got to lay off this guy. He's like, again,

1328
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: just let him, let him do his thing. He's going

1329
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: to get there and he will be a champion someday. Yeah.

1330
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 6: No, And I think that, you know, for bo he's

1331
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 6: not necessarily the guy who's talking trash at all.

1332
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

1333
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: Agree with you.

1334
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 6: I think if anything, you know, the fans are frustrated

1335
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 6: because the UFC has pushed him largely as a star.

1336
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: He's been on every main card pay per view, right

1337
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 4: that is.

1338
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 6: You know, right right right there you go, So that's

1339
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 6: what it is, all that you're promoting and you know

1340
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 6: with supporting.

1341
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 4: But like listen, he's not a he's not a striker.

1342
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 6: He's he's he's a world class wrestler who's coming into

1343
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 6: the sport, who had fifteen minutes of stand up time

1344
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 6: against Paul Craig. And not every fight is going to

1345
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 6: be good, unfortunately, guys, it's not going to be perfect.

1346
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 6: You're learning on the job, and I think we'll see

1347
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 6: the most level of improvement his next time out on

1348
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 6: the feet because he got those fifteen minutes. So yeah, absolutely,

1349
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 6: I mean again, think about how much crap Hamzat Chimaya

1350
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 6: of got. Now he faced Gilbert, he faced Gilbert Burns,

1351
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 6: a very season and good guy. But you know, Hamzad

1352
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 6: has has been no stranger to criticism as well. And

1353
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 6: now look where he's at.

1354
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it look like again here's a guy. Look he's

1355
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 2: just not that guy. Look he dominates his contend a

1356
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 2: series fight and they make him come back again. He's

1357
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 2: willing to do that. He's not bitching, he's not moaning.

1358
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: He's an innocent bystander of what you said, Kenny, that

1359
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 2: they're pushing him, they're putting them on the main card,

1360
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: they're doing that. I don't think he's asking for it.

1361
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he gives a shit about it. But

1362
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: he's an innocent bystander By that, I mean you're talking

1363
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: it like again, you're talking about the guy dominated his

1364
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: contended series fight and they made him come back, and

1365
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 2: he was perfectly fine with that. So cut the guy

1366
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: some slack.

1367
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 5: Manman dude, like I am fighter first, and criticize me

1368
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 5: if you will, But like, is he not also sort

1369
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 5: of an innocent bystander that like Mauricio Roofi, who is

1370
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 5: in that bo Nickel pay per view opening traditional slot right,

1371
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,839
Speaker 5: wasn't able to finish Hamisi on top, and then Karine

1372
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 5: Silva underwhelms, you know, and is not in shape enough

1373
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 5: to do what maybe promotionally they thought she might be

1374
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 5: able to do against Vianni outa Uzu on pay per view,

1375
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 5: and the pay per view starts in a pedestrian way,

1376
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 5: and then they're chatting overrated for bon Nickel, and yeah,

1377
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 5: I mean I understand. For me as a fan of MMA,

1378
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 5: I want to see like a high amplitude. I guess

1379
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 5: that's the wrong phraseology, but I want to see a

1380
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 5: high impact bow Nickel takedown of Madison Square Garden if

1381
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 5: I'm an MMA fan. So maybe we feel sure changed

1382
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 5: as far as that is concerned. But I think, like,

1383
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 5: what in terms of the matchmaking real quick? I know

1384
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 5: we got to get to Brian Peatrie, but Cody mentioned

1385
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 5: like bo Nickel versus Joe Pifer would sounds absolutely insane.

1386
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 5: But Kenny, I guess if I go to you first,

1387
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 5: like when you see some of the guys in the

1388
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 5: top fifteen, like you know, DC and I were talking

1389
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 5: about this in a very spirited way on Monday. You

1390
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 5: know Jack Hermanson, Roman dealdsee Joe Pifer right? Or is

1391
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 5: he competitive? Is Bnickel competitive with these guys right now?

1392
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to put you guys on the spot,

1393
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 5: but Kenny, what do you think about the next fight?

1394
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 5: First quarter second quarter twenty twenty five for bow Nickel

1395
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 5: in terms of the level if not an actual.

1396
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 6: Name, well, I'll say this just based on his wrestling

1397
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 6: and ground and pound ability, his positional ability. Yeah, he's

1398
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 6: gonna to be competitive against everyone in that division. And

1399
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 6: what makes that that much more impressive is the fact

1400
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 6: that for me and I've talked about this a lot,

1401
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 6: this is the best one hundred and eighty five pound

1402
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 6: division in UFC history right now, and I think for

1403
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 6: him to be a part of this division at this

1404
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 6: standpoint and to have people talking about him only a

1405
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 6: few fights in his UFC.

1406
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 4: Career, that is a great thing.

1407
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 6: And if he continues to develop, continues to get this

1408
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 6: level of experience, he's going to be a problem and

1409
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 6: could be a champion in the future. Still, so I'm

1410
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 6: still bullish on bon Nickel and and expect big things

1411
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 6: from him. But you know, like you were talking about Ray,

1412
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 6: he's taking the right fights to get him there.

1413
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 4: Not every fight has to.

1414
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 6: Be a championship fight. Is he just does not have

1415
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 6: that many fights. It's going to take him more time,

1416
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 6: even though he's a world class athlete.

1417
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: Man, Kenny, you don't have the opportunity to pick your

1418
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: opponents like that. Would that's a perfect fight if you

1419
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: were like in the boxing framework, Let's give him a

1420
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: guy just to test him a little bit. Then we'll

1421
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 2: test him a little bit. But again, you don't always

1422
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: get those opportunities. I say he took advantage of an

1423
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: opportunity like this and came out on the on the

1424
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: plus side of that for sure.

1425
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 5: Hey, you're the man. We appreciate the extent of time.

1426
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 5: Anything else for us on UFC three on nine before

1427
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 5: we let you fly?

1428
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: Uh two things. Let me just say I did an

1429
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: interview with Teddy Atlas. If anybody gets to see it,

1430
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: I think it was great. Many Teddy knocked it out

1431
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: of the park. I thought he did a great job.

1432
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: He came down to the gym, we shot the shit

1433
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: for like an hour, and I think it was I

1434
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: think it's really worth listening to. I think I tried

1435
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: to tell a couple of old stories you might not

1436
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: have heard before, and and really shout out to Teddy

1437
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: Atlas forgiven me the opportunity to even sit down with him.

1438
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: The guys an absolute legend and I think a better

1439
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: human being. At this point, He's got to go into

1440
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: a foundation event for him tomorrow night where he helps

1441
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: underprivileged people a lot. So I think he's using his

1442
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: platform in the right way and that means a lot

1443
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: to me, which my problem is when people have a

1444
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: plat for me and they don't use it the right way.

1445
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: I just think that's horrible. And so that's it. If

1446
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: you get a chance, look at that interview. I don't

1447
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: know if they pushed it out.

1448
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Can I just direct people to that real quick?

1449
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: Oh yes you could.

1450
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 5: I don't even know ESPN m M a YouTube page,

1451
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 5: and I will say. People are coming up to me

1452
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 5: left and right about how excellent that was between you two.

1453
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I thank you.

1454
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 5: Jo something that people need to go watch on the

1455
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 5: ESPN MM two page. Was there anything else?

1456
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 4: Raymand?

1457
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: Well? One other thing?

1458
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 7: Man.

1459
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: I ran into that kid, Michael Muzamechi. Yeah, what a

1460
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: great kid. Congratulations swim to getting in. I mean I

1461
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: met him. He's got like a uh you know, what

1462
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: a nice kid. He told me he was. I think

1463
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 2: his dad was originally from Brooklyn. I go, well, that's

1464
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: a that's a stretch with that last name. But he's

1465
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: a he's a great kid. And I just want to

1466
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: and I only got to speak to him for like

1467
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: five seconds, but uh, congratulations on being the first guy

1468
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: to be signed to that type of deal and I

1469
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: think he's not going to disappoint the kids. The kids

1470
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: obviously Kenny is. He's on another level. You know, you'll

1471
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: get those guys, So shout out to him. And that

1472
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: was it. You know, it was great catching up with

1473
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: you guys that weekend. As much as it was a

1474
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: bummer at the end, it was great seeing you guys out. Yeah,

1475
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: and that's it, man. I think we made the best

1476
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: of what we had there.

1477
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 5: It was great, all right, buddy. We'll have a great

1478
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 5: rest of the week. We appreciate your time, especially on

1479
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 5: a on a hump day. And uh, we'll talk to

1480
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 5: you real soon. Hey, Happy Thanksgiving. We're off next week,

1481
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 5: so yes.

1482
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: Can we have like a zoom Thanksgiving dinner together? We

1483
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: will just zoom in, watch each other read. Maybe I'll

1484
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: see you guys later. Take care when I just say it.

1485
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 4: No response from John.

1486
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 5: Thanks Ray. We'd like to congratulate the other winners UFC

1487
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 5: three oh nine, Marcus McGee and the feature Prelim, Jim

1488
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 5: Miller getting it down with the Guilla Team, David Onama

1489
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,799
Speaker 5: marching to Bora, the Bronx's own Remiz Brahi Mai getting

1490
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 5: the bus, and a huge knockout O ban Elliott, how

1491
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 5: about the Welsh gangster three and oh all on numbered

1492
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 5: cars this year? Maybe the rookie of the year, is

1493
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 5: it Carlos Protests or somebody else? And at what amura

1494
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 5: getting it done against Veronica Hardy. In the opener, all right,

1495
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 5: we go three wide yet again, we welcome in big

1496
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 5: gun Brian Patriots. We spin it forward, but not before

1497
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 5: referencing one thing that Ray Longo said there on the

1498
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 5: way out. So, Brian, I don't know where you were

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 5: on Friday night, but the rest of our Anakim Florian

1500
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 5: podcast team, for the most part, was together at an event. Now,

1501
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 5: I did not stick around for Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson,

1502
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 5: but that was shown on the televisions, and I did

1503
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 5: have it on as I was prepping my UFC three

1504
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 5: oh nine scripts. So Ray was sort of just saying

1505
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 5: on the way out that, no, it was a good

1506
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 5: night except for the way it ended, which maybe suggests

1507
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 5: to me that he had some expectation for Mike Tyson

1508
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 5: Jake Paul that was grander than what we actually saw. Uh,

1509
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 5: did you watch this on Friday night?

1510
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 4: Brian?

1511
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, Cody saying on Mike's hot hopefully it's not as

1512
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 8: hot for you boys here, because you know when I'm

1513
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 8: on a mic, it's hot. Cody Listen. Yes, I did

1514
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 8: watch it and it was sad. Man Listen. I didn't

1515
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 8: expect a lot out of Tyson, he's sixty, but walking

1516
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 8: to the cage and seeing the knee brace and he

1517
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 8: tripped a little bit. He kind of didn't know look

1518
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 8: like he knew where he was at. He looked like

1519
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 8: a lost grandpa. And then you go in there, and

1520
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 8: then I have been complimenting her, Jake Paul.

1521
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking he's gonna finish.

1522
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 8: This guy go out there and finishes, and then he's saying,

1523
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 8: I held my punches back.

1524
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: Is why am I.

1525
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 4: Hurting this guy?

1526
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 8: Because you're getting paid forty million dollars and it's a

1527
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 8: boxing match. You should go out there. This is the

1528
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 8: handpick opponent. You should fucking want to hurt him. So

1529
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 8: I hate the excuses afterwards. Now they're just shoveling the

1530
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 8: numbers out. It was on Netflix. It's gonna do well,

1531
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 8: but it was sad to watch. I did watch it, unfortunately,

1532
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 8: and I was pretty bummed out.

1533
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: Kenny Jake Paul's post fight interview with Ariel Hillwani was

1534
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 5: suggestive that there was some pre fight agreement that there

1535
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 5: would be no knockout. I was maybe naive and ignorant

1536
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 5: going in. I think there were a lot of rumblings

1537
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 5: to take the over, which cashed with relativies. Do you

1538
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 5: have Forst Kenny on the fight that really wasn't?

1539
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I guess I'll talk about you know, the

1540
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 6: feed itself, right, I mean I was giving ESPN some

1541
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 6: flack about it and Netflix. You know, you knew what

1542
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 6: these numbers were gonna do. Come on, you can't do

1543
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 6: a good feed like it was awful. It was like

1544
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 6: watching you know, a Nintendo video game back in the

1545
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 6: early nineties at times, and it was bad, dude, Like,

1546
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 6: come on, man, get it together. It's a big fight. So, yeah,

1547
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 6: that was trouble. And again, you know, I think Brian

1548
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 6: makes a really good point. These guys are getting paid

1549
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 6: big money. People are gambling on them, you know, on

1550
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 6: this fight as well, So what are we doing here?

1551
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, I didn't have high hopes for Tyson at

1552
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 6: fifty eight years old. I didn't think his best bet

1553
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 6: was to do something in round one.

1554
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,879
Speaker 4: He tried. I thought he landed some good shots especially

1555
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 4: in round one. After that, you know, he was pretty gassed,

1556
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 4: as kind of think a lot of us expected.

1557
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 8: So yeah, one more thing, John. The commentary was driving

1558
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 8: me nuts. Roy Jones or Morella are arguing over why

1559
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 8: Tyson's biting his glove. Roy Jones like it's his mouthpiece

1560
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 8: for three rounds of Morello's like, no, dude, I watched

1561
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 8: him fight.

1562
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 3: He does this, and Roy.

1563
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 8: Jones like, nah, so I'm drawing his mouthpiece, I know, Mike,

1564
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 8: And then finally they get the question at the end.

1565
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 8: It was the fact that he's like, hey, yeah, I

1566
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 8: bite my glove. I do that. That was kind of annoying.

1567
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, making it about the commentators that is not good.

1568
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 5: That is not good. I did not catch all of that.

1569
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 5: I was trying to focus on what actually mattered. But

1570
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 5: I must have been asked about that fight a fucking

1571
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 5: billion times, and what I said every time was that, yeah,

1572
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 5: Jake Paul maybe doesn't want to and I said this

1573
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 5: before the fight knock out a fifty eight year old

1574
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 5: Mike Tyson, but he sure as fuck can't afford to

1575
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 5: lose to him relative to what he's trying to do

1576
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 5: on the other side. So Modus two sixty or otherwise.

1577
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 5: Jake Paul on that money line felt like, uh, not

1578
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 5: quite as amazing a bet when he fought as when

1579
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 5: he fought Ben Askrin, but pretty darn close, all right

1580
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 5: to spit it forward here, fellas. So we have a

1581
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 5: pronunciation of the week, and yeah, created well, I created

1582
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 5: a graphic here, so it's you know, it's something like

1583
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 5: Neam Jargle to men Den Burrell. Sure, and I try

1584
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 5: to write fanatics and then I rewrote them, file and Cody.

1585
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 5: I really want to make sure this is potted up

1586
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 5: completely so we can hear him off the top, but

1587
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 5: it is, you know, something like Neam Jargle to men

1588
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 5: Den Burrell, Brian, you want to give it a gander,

1589
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 5: of course this man say.

1590
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 3: It, yeah, for the people at home.

1591
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 8: John Johnson's emails out very detailed about what the show

1592
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 8: is gonna be, blah blah blah.

1593
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 3: Then he hits me while I'm at work about.

1594
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 8: Two hours ago, going oh, yeah, by the way, here's

1595
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 8: his name with every fucking letter in the alphabet that

1596
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 8: you're gonna try to pronounce.

1597
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, I have dune tape study on.

1598
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 8: This guy, and I know it's not pronounced n I

1599
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 8: believe it. Y, I'm jargar timor den Burrell.

1600
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 5: Bro sore time for the pronunciation.

1601
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I love it. But I'm saying, like

1602
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying. I'm at work.

1603
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 8: I checked my phone and I get that separate email

1604
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 8: about what is gonna be and I see this fucking

1605
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 8: name and I go, usually it's a Brazilian name that

1606
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 8: I'm gonna butcher.

1607
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, this thing is crazy.

1608
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 5: Because like you don't get money forgetting these correctly.

1609
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 3: But I know, I like because it's funny.

1610
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 5: He's always banging on me for going to the airport

1611
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 5: too early, you know, And I try to tell them

1612
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 5: it's like you don't get paid like a bunch of money.

1613
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 5: If you can get to the gate or get to

1614
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 5: the airport, it'll this the amount of time beforehand to

1615
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 5: waste the least amount of time. So anyway, I am

1616
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 5: jargled to men den Burrell. Right, so this guy's fighting

1617
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 5: fucking Carlos Hernandez, thank god, Right, you know, to anybody

1618
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 5: whose name you can pronounce. But I'm thinking about you know,

1619
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 5: when you're talking like five or six syllables and oh

1620
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 5: nice jab buy to men den Burrell, I mean, right,

1621
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if this dude's got a fucking nickname.

1622
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,440
Speaker 5: We do have his file, so uh, let's hear from

1623
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 5: this budding flyweight how to pronounce his name? You guys,

1624
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 5: hear anything?

1625
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 4: No not im in.

1626
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 5: Where's my producer, Cody? Where are you, buddy?

1627
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: Who to men den bre Yum jargal to men den.

1628
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 8: Bre Yeah right, his order the knockout too, So it's

1629
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 8: not like an easy nickname.

1630
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 3: There's the rip off.

1631
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 5: Either, Cody, give me that name one more time, if

1632
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 5: you'd be so kind.

1633
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: Yum jargal to men den bre.

1634
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 4: Yum jargal to men I don't know them jargal to

1635
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 4: men den Burrell.

1636
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 5: We're not picking his fight, gentlemen, we're picking four on

1637
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 5: the main card. You have seen a fight night Jan

1638
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 5: Versus Figuretto Galaxy Arena Macoushota six a m. Eastern for

1639
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 5: the main card coming up this weekend. Light heavyweight division

1640
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 5: Carlos Albert Modus two forty five Volkanoos and Mere plus

1641
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 5: two hundreds. So BP will start with you here. Albert

1642
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 5: thrilled off six straight wins since dropping that UFC debut

1643
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 5: to Kennedy and Zechi ku Uzamir criminally underappreciated. Go look

1644
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 5: at the body of work. Right, best form of his career,

1645
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 5: two straight finishes. I think he's on the cusp of

1646
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 5: big things. He's an underdog obviously. This weekend he's thirty five.

1647
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 5: Alberg's thirty four. Big fight here at two oh five BP.

1648
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 5: Which way you're going.

1649
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 8: Great fight at two o five, And you're right, Osamil

1650
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 8: had a little bit there, you have a little lull.

1651
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 8: He's back now. And this is a guy you can't

1652
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 8: fucking sleep on because he had got no time, you

1653
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 8: know what I mean, the fun yet he got no time.

1654
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 8: And Albert Johnny, you know, whenever I call someone good

1655
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 8: look and you kind of you throw paus at me.

1656
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 8: This guy's pretty fucking handsome. What do you say there, bub, Yes,

1657
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 8: he is attracted. He's a handsome man, and he's hot

1658
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 8: and he fights really well too. I mean, he's gotten

1659
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 8: better since the Contender Series. He came in on the

1660
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 8: Contender Series as is.

1661
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 4: He's guy.

1662
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 8: He's getting handed the contract and he's proven. He had

1663
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 8: one stumble in the UFC, but that for he landed

1664
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 8: over one hundred strikes. He just gassed out. He's got

1665
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 8: skills and He's the best camp possible for a not

1666
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 8: a natural born. I've been doing that mixed martial arts

1667
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 8: since I was ten. He did rugby. He's at the

1668
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 8: best camp possible. Eugene Barriman at City Kickboxing, they turned

1669
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 8: these athletes into monster fighters, and that's what he is.

1670
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 8: Ozemir the number though, right, you know, I like playing numbers.

1671
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 3: I like the dogs. I chase dogs. But there's something

1672
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 3: about Oldberg that I really like here.

1673
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 8: I think he's fast, I think he's explosive, and I

1674
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 8: think he's gonna be able to keep his distance and

1675
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 8: really piece up Odemir. I do not think this is

1676
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 8: gonna be a finish unless Oldberg clips him, which can

1677
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 8: obviously happen. But I do just see him out working Ozdemir.

1678
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 8: But I can see that third round getting a little

1679
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 8: greasy for the boys if you're holding an Oldberg ticket.

1680
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go.

1681
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 8: Olberg minus tot forty five doesn't scare me because I'm

1682
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 8: high on him.

1683
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 3: I just think he has the more upside.

1684
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 5: Speaking of greasy, it's actually pronounced ooz deme like.

1685
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: Jooz would I say omer.

1686
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 5: Uz Demir ken flow last guy to finish him you're

1687
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 5: a pro Haseka fifty eight pay per views ago. So

1688
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 5: Uzdmir here with a massive opportunity against a guy in

1689
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 5: Olberg who, you know, seemingly the UFC might want to

1690
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 5: showcase potentially if he can look good here. Minus two

1691
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,919
Speaker 5: forty five for Olberg plus two hundred for Uzdemir.

1692
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, You know, I think they're both good athletes.

1693
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 4: I think Olberg just a little bit above for sure,

1694
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: just the way that he moves, the power he possesses.

1695
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 4: And I think it's been both good and bad that.

1696
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 6: Uzdamir has kind of turned into more of a grappler

1697
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 6: lately in some ways, still has power in his hands.

1698
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 4: Gotta watch out for those hooks. So I think there's

1699
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 4: some value here.

1700
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 6: I'm just leaning the way of the younger man, the

1701
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 6: guy with less fights in Olberg, you know, can't knock

1702
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 6: that speed, his countering ability, and I think this is

1703
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 6: a huge test for him, man, I think this is

1704
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 6: going to be really telling to see where Olberg could

1705
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 6: potentially go with his career. Leaning toward towards Olberg here,

1706
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 6: but I see some value in Uzdemir.

1707
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 5: That guy is hot, right, I mean even as a guy, right,

1708
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 5: I mean all those guys were fucking super hot, right,

1709
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 5: like if you saw that fucking group of guys right,

1710
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 5: all fucking hot. But Kyle los Alberg, he is hot

1711
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 5: steal anyway, I mean, am I gonna get canceled today?

1712
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 5: Like half my family and even texting me back?

1713
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: So no, you are right canceled.

1714
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 5: You're good at welterweight Muslim Salakov as a man, he

1715
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 5: is forty. He's also the minus one minus one ninety

1716
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 5: two betting favorite against Song Kannan, who is plus one

1717
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 5: sixty Brian again, we'll leave with you here if we could.

1718
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 5: Salakov seven and four in the UFC after a split

1719
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 5: decision win over Santiago Ponzinibo back in July, began the

1720
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 5: year with a knockout loss at the hands of rude

1721
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 5: boy Randy Brown on the other side. Pretty similar UFC

1722
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 5: record Song Kanon six and four pretty underrated as well. Uh.

1723
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 5: He had a recent win over Ricky Glenn that was

1724
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 5: at UFC three oh five and Perth BP take it away.

1725
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't do the sound bites

1726
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 3: too much, but I gotta hit right now.

1727
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 5: Hello, Okay, that's his dog baby.

1728
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 8: I can't believe Song Canon is a plus one sixty

1729
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 8: hunder dog here moves from solid cough. It's a little

1730
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 8: bit cook for me, a little bit cooke for me. Listen,

1731
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 8: the guy's got some kids. He can knock you out,

1732
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 8: but his cardio is slowing down. He's getting older, and

1733
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 8: I just don't think he has great defense when it

1734
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 8: comes to good boxers. When you watch the leach, the

1735
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 8: leach piece him up on the feet. And that's what

1736
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 8: song Conon can do. He can piece you up on

1737
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 8: the feet with that long range weapon. You're hanging plus

1738
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 8: one sixty on me, Young Cody Merrow text me this

1739
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 8: weekend and said, Yo, these these points spreads on DraftKings

1740
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 8: are dope. Plus three and a half is what song

1741
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 8: Canon is gonna be, which just means with the people

1742
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 8: at home, if he wins the fight, you cash, and

1743
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 8: if he wins around when it goes to the decision,

1744
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 8: you cash as well. That's gonna be plus money or

1745
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 8: close to even money. You hammer that, you hammer down

1746
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 8: on plus one sixty, maybe even touch him by knockout.

1747
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 8: I love song Conon here and it's in China. Forget

1748
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 8: about it, dude, that's my dog lock. I'm locking him

1749
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 8: up for eternity.

1750
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna put some money on boys.

1751
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 3: Putting money on him, Kenny, So buck up, nice n Flo.

1752
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 5: If you look at Song Kanon the Assassin's strength of schedule,

1753
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 5: he's held up pretty well in the UFC career that

1754
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 5: I think could only be described as underappreciated. Plus one

1755
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 5: sixty next to his name, taken on Muslim Salakov, who's

1756
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 5: minus won ninety two.

1757
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, You know, I can see YBP likes Song.

1758
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 6: The guy's really durable. I think he's a decent striker.

1759
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 6: My concern for Song Kanon is his lack of volume.

1760
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 6: Does it throw a whole lot at time? Sometimes you

1761
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 6: know it's this kind of deliberate pace, and against Salakoff

1762
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 6: you kind of have to get him to work to

1763
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 6: tire him out that much more.

1764
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: And you know, you look.

1765
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 6: At the experience on the feet for Sealakov, I don't

1766
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,879
Speaker 6: see him having so much of trouble with this striking

1767
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 6: of Kanon. Listen, the guys had like what almost like

1768
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 6: close to two hundred kickboxing fights at a certain point.

1769
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 6: That's insane, but that also means he's had a lot

1770
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 6: of fights. So watch out for your chin against someone

1771
01:26:59,280 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 6: like Kanan, So.

1772
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 4: I'm still leading the way of Solikov, but I think

1773
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 4: Kennan might be a juicy underdog. You know so, but

1774
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 4: dumb sticking with Muslim Solicov Solikoff.

1775
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 5: All right, comin event, it's straway kempflow right back to

1776
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 5: you on this one. If we could number two rank

1777
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 5: contender Yon Chaunan putting that number on the line. In

1778
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 5: some parts she's minus one ninety eight taking on number

1779
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 5: ten Tabitha Ricci, who is plus one sixty four. Little

1780
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 5: background for you, if I could, Jan chau Nan lost

1781
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 5: four to one in terms of the rounds across the

1782
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 5: board to jangwe Lee in their title fight that was

1783
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 5: UFC three hundred. She's thirty five years of age. Ricci

1784
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 5: is shiny six and two Kenny in the UFC. She

1785
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 5: has been in some close fights outpointed Angela Hill her

1786
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 5: last time out. That was recent August twenty fourth, So

1787
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 5: a quick turn for baby Shark and it's her third

1788
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 5: start of the year and all three of them since

1789
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 5: May eleventh, So back to back to back training camps

1790
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 5: and fights for Tabitha Ricci. She'll try to take yan

1791
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 5: chan NaN's ranking in the top two.

1792
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, yeah, and being done. It could be either

1793
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 6: a blessing or a curse. Curious to see how that

1794
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 6: pans out for Ricci, who has been on a roll.

1795
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 6: She has two wins in a row now against some

1796
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 6: good competition. She brings together a lot of skills to

1797
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 6: the table, but I think more than anything else, she

1798
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 6: needs to get it done here with her grappling. She

1799
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 6: needs to be on point with her takedowns, similar to

1800
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 6: how she used it against Angela Hill. Now in those

1801
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 6: stand up exchanges, she probably can't do the same things

1802
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 6: she did against Angela Hill because Yan Channon has some

1803
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,799
Speaker 6: serious pops. She also is going to have a range,

1804
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 6: speed power. She is a very very good striker, and

1805
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 6: she proved her toughness in her last fight, which was

1806
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 6: a championship fight against Jean way Lee. Just showed how

1807
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 6: durable and how tough she is. So if she can

1808
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 6: keep this one on the feet, which I think she can.

1809
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 6: I like Yan Channan here, but this is a true

1810
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 6: test for Ricci. I could see Ricci winning this, but

1811
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 6: it's gonna be it has to be the way of

1812
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 6: her ground game if she does so.

1813
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 4: But give me Yan Shuan.

1814
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 5: It's an interesting fight. It's also a three round fight.

1815
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 5: And when Aaron Blanchfield fought Rose Nama Units recently, we

1816
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 5: talked a little bit about it. But her hunger, Aaron's hunger,

1817
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 5: her desire to win a world championship right, Like you

1818
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 5: can tell Aaron Blanchfield cares more about getting the UFC

1819
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 5: championship belt than she does about being rich. Like all

1820
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 5: she fucking wants, right is to love her significant other

1821
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 5: and win the UFC title. And I do believe that

1822
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 5: Tabitha Ricci is of a similar aspiration, right, But does

1823
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 5: she want it right now in the most desperate way

1824
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 5: like Aaron Blanchfield. I think we're gonna get answers because

1825
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 5: Yan Channan is game as fuck.

1826
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 4: Man.

1827
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 5: You know, she still wants this thing in the worst way.

1828
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 5: And I don't know if Ricci is arriving at this

1829
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 5: fight too soon. I think her career actually has methodically

1830
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 5: built in this way, you know. But the big fights

1831
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 5: are here, man. You know, Jan Channon just fought for

1832
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 5: the world title, and it might be a tricky time

1833
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 5: to be fighting her in her backyard. BP what he

1834
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 5: have for us on the comat.

1835
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, you let you guys lay it out, great listen, Ricci,

1836
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 8: she fights a lot. She's very very very very fights

1837
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 8: very frequently, and sometimes you don't see the steps that

1838
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 8: she's making. It's a gradual process because she's in there.

1839
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 8: She's occurring, uh experience. But y'ao Shanan is coming off

1840
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 8: a loss to her fellow Chinese woman and it was

1841
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 8: a it was not competitive fight. Excuse me, y'ashnan just

1842
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 8: didn't see the show up. But listen, way that John

1843
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 8: Wayey is unbelievable.

1844
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 2: Y'all.

1845
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 8: Shana, in my opinion, is the fastest fighter in this division.

1846
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 8: Her hands are blistering fast and she is so fast.

1847
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 8: And Ricci does a thing where she just kind of

1848
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 8: wins fight. She kind of she'll do enough to win,

1849
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 8: and I don't think that's gonna be enough against John Soran.

1850
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,480
Speaker 8: Shanan is hungry. It's in China. She's coming out aggressive.

1851
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 8: And you know, she looked great against jesscon Draws. If

1852
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 8: you could put out jesscon Draws, you can put out anybody.

1853
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 8: She looked great against one of my favorite fighters, me

1854
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 8: and Hogs, which I nail that pronunciation, but I mean

1855
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 8: was unbelievable. Trying to bring a smart face here.

1856
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I like out here.

1857
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 8: And a lot of people with the women's fights, they're

1858
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 8: gonna go on, They're gonna go over, They're gonna go decision.

1859
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 3: Cody likes the soundboard.

1860
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 8: I saw him in the chat, So I'm gonna play

1861
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 8: a soundboard I play on my podcast quite a bit.

1862
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 4: Send him home early?

1863
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 8: Does that sound familiar, Johnny, because I think it's gonna

1864
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 8: be a send them home early. I think we're getting

1865
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 8: yas with some kind of a TKO in the mid

1866
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 8: second round, the third round. You're gonna get a great

1867
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 8: number on that as well.

1868
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna give us.

1869
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 5: A China dude. When this dude says Marina Haddriguez, that's

1870
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 5: the name that's gonna be completely off of my game.

1871
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 5: When you say Marina Hadriguez, everything stops for me. And

1872
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 5: when Norma Dumont comes back, right, So it's gonna be

1873
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 5: a big fight for big norm man. I mean, there's

1874
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,879
Speaker 5: just no other way to put it. Like Norma Dumont

1875
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 5: might find herself in the main event setting. She's gonna

1876
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 5: have a really big fight, and you guys are gonna

1877
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 5: be charged with picking that fight.

1878
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 4: Can we do a watch party if she If she fights,

1879
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 4: I got a big Hi, you have a crush on

1880
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 4: Big Norm.

1881
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 5: Huh.

1882
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 8: Big Norm is really easy on the eyes.

1883
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 5: How would you compare your crush on Big Norm to

1884
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 5: your crush on Aaron Blanchfield too?

1885
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

1886
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,879
Speaker 8: Honestly, I think Norm has a clipped Blandfield only because

1887
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 8: I'm not Blanchfield's type, you know, not marry.

1888
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 3: I'm just maybe the one gender for her.

1889
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 8: That's but also a Big Norm though, ever since I

1890
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 8: dropped the Big Norm, She's been in my life a

1891
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 8: lot more people have been sending me photos and videos

1892
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 8: Danton and hips.

1893
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, look at Big Norm doing her thing. I

1894
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 3: love it.

1895
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 5: How dude, that is amazing. That is amazing. So when

1896
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 5: she fights, though, I'm just going to do this. Stop

1897
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 5: the camera. That's what I can actually be on camera,

1898
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 5: because I will be that crying emoji laughing main evac

1899
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 5: to former UFC champions Band a Boy Division pyodryon Monus

1900
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 5: two ninety eight right now on DraftKings sportsbook taken on

1901
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 5: Davison Figuretto aka our producer Cody Merrow's favorite fighter. He

1902
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 5: is plus two forty so y'aon the former undisputed one

1903
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five pounds Champion undisputed Championship in twenty twenty,

1904
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 5: won the interim belt in twenty twenty one. Figuretto, of course,

1905
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 5: decorated former flyweight King has been on an absolute tear

1906
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 5: since moving up three straight wins at thirty five pp

1907
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 5: over Rob Von, Cody Garbrandt and Marlin Chieto vera kind

1908
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 5: of a wider spread that I expected, But y'all does

1909
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 5: deserve the distinction as the favorite VP. Who do you

1910
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 5: like in the headlining act in Macau come Saturday morning?

1911
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 8: So I know I look young. I got this gross

1912
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 8: neck beard, you know, but I'm thirty eight. I've been

1913
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 8: around for a while and MMA gambling in Vegas. They

1914
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 8: used to set these lines way different they are on

1915
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 8: fucking top of it. I thought this was gonna be Petrion,

1916
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 8: maybe a little slight favorite. We're looking at minus one

1917
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 8: twenty minus one fifty minus three ten currently on DraftKings,

1918
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? That's crazy and the right devins.

1919
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Speaker 8: Figuero's Undefeedo won thirty five. He's looked fantas at former

1920
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 8: champion a win twenty five, and I thought maybe he

1921
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 8: was gonna get all the shiny and people kind of.

1922
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Speaker 3: Forgot about Yan. He had to quiet win his last

1923
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 3: time out against Song You.

1924
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Speaker 8: All looked fantastic, but his losses before that were kind

1925
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 8: of high, high profile losses, and even as win with

1926
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 8: against sanahegan, people thought he maybe even lost that win

1927
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 8: against that, so I.

1928
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 3: Feel like he lost some steam.

1929
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 4: But this dude is legit right.

1930
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 8: Sure, Morob's gonna take you down seven or ten times

1931
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 8: or whatever it is, but other than that, you're not

1932
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 8: gonna get taken. This guy's not gonna get taken down.

1933
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 8: And Figgy since he's been at one thirty five, has

1934
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 8: been taking guys down. And my only issue is and

1935
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 8: I quickly squatched that issue because it's a five round fight.

1936
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 8: Was Yan starts slow, he gets his reads, he puts

1937
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 8: things together, then he takes over the fight. His last

1938
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 8: fight against Sung You on three rounds, he Atlanta eighty

1939
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 8: eight or ninety nine strikes. Excuse me, so he didn't

1940
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 8: start all that slow with Figure You. Gotta be careful.

1941
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 8: He keeps seeing it down low, still has that power.

1942
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 8: He's going to try to force some takedowns. I think

1943
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 8: Johan's gonna gob him up there. Listen, I'm minus three

1944
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 8: ten usually should run more running away main eventure usually

1945
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 8: hard for me to pick because are the most competitive

1946
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 8: fights tip on paper, I'm all over Petrion here.

1947
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: I think this is a slam dunk form. I think

1948
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 3: he's gonna look good.

1949
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 8: I would love for a finish, even though it's easier

1950
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 8: said and done, but this could be a showing out

1951
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 8: and people are gonna remember Petrion here for at one

1952
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 8: thirty five.

1953
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 5: Nicely done there, Brian Petrie. I thought Piotr jan Kenny

1954
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 5: looked gret at UFC two ninety nine against Song You

1955
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 5: Dong that did halt his losing streak at three. I

1956
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 5: never thought that dude would lose three in a row.

1957
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 5: He's thirty one. I think he's gonna be thirty seven

1958
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 5: on December eighteenth. Obviously a huge fight in terms of

1959
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 5: who could be next for Marob Dwallis. Willy's first title

1960
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 5: of defense might be Umar and Ro Mango medout, but

1961
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 5: very well could be a winner here with a finish.

1962
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 5: Who do you like in the main event? Can flow?

1963
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is gonna be a great fight. I

1964
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 6: think what is going to serve peoter Yon well was

1965
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 6: the fact that Davis and Figureedo. You know, since I've

1966
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 6: seen him in the last few fights, and this is

1967
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 6: typically how he fights. Is he He also is not

1968
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 6: really a huge volume type of guy, and like Brian

1969
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 6: was talking about, he's been utilizing his takedowns a lot more,

1970
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 6: it seems in this division. I think, mainly to conserve

1971
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 6: energy and also for technical reasons, of course, but I

1972
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 6: think that's gonna be difficult to do against someone like

1973
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 6: Peoter Yan, who I think can match him in the

1974
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 6: power department. And you know, while Yon looked much better

1975
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 6: in the in round one against Sonya Dong, he was

1976
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 6: getting taken down, he had to scramble back to his feet.

1977
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 6: It wasn't his best round. Peoter Yon always gets better

1978
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 6: as the fight goes on. This is, you know, I

1979
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 6: think gonna be the case here. I like the fact

1980
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 6: that this is a five round main event. I think

1981
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 6: that will help him here. Davison has been better with

1982
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 6: pacing himself, but still gets tired. And when you get

1983
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 6: a guy like jan who's gonna step on the gas

1984
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 6: late in the fight, I don't love that for him.

1985
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 6: And while Davison has some good takedowns, is it good

1986
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 6: enough for him to be consistent with them throughout twenty

1987
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 6: five minutes. I'm not so sure his best chance is

1988
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 6: a takedown, maybe taking the back and trying to get

1989
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 6: a finish against Yan. But I mean Aljo couldn't get

1990
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 6: the finish against Yon for quite a while even though

1991
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 6: he was on his back, So I expect Yon to

1992
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 6: be okay here.

1993
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 4: I like this fight for him.

1994
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 6: I think Pyotr Jan is back, and if you can

1995
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 6: get a win over a very tough Davison figuretto, this

1996
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 6: would be this would be huge.

1997
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 5: I can just hear Jason Annik being like, dude, Pyodrianna

1998
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 5: is so good, Like I'm just gonna tie him to

1999
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 5: all of my NFL that's this weekend, because like can

2000
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 5: you imagine like waking up Sunday morning peod Yon's lost

2001
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 5: four or five, like it's not having just not having.

2002
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 5: All Right, we'll do what happens. We saw what happened

2003
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 5: to UFC three h nine. Team Petree was near seven

2004
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 5: hundred dollars in the positive. You put the whole two

2005
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: k on John Bones Jones. John's brilliant. Now, if you

2006
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 5: don't know this language, a two thousand dollars bet on

2007
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 5: John Jones at minus six fifty or so paid Brian

2008
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 5: plus three hundred and seven dollars and sixty nine cents.

2009
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 5: But he's trying to bury ken flow as we come

2010
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 5: down the stretch here, right, So it's really a smart

2011
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 5: bet on any number of different fronts. And now your

2012
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 5: year to date is north of one thousand dollars one

2013
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 5: thousand and four and seventy six cents. Team Florian Whoo.

2014
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 5: You were at minus six eighty so you had a

2015
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty dollars straight wager on Marcus McGee

2016
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 5: that paid you one hundred and eighty five dollars in change.

2017
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 5: The remaining seventeen to fifty dollars was tied in some

2018
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 5: way to Karini Silva and it would have been a

2019
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 5: huge week for you. Instead, it's minus fifteen sixty four

2020
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 5: eighty one. The year to date is under two k. Now,

2021
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 5: we were neck and neck a couple of weeks ago.

2022
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 5: Now the deficit or the lead, depending on which side

2023
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 5: of it you fall, is three grand. With only three

2024
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 5: live events the rest of the year, this thing might

2025
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 5: be over.

2026
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 4: BP.

2027
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.

2028
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 8: I'm gonna throw some money down today though that Kenny's

2029
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 8: opposite of me on so we'll see what happens.

2030
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 3: We'll see if you played the opposite.

2031
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 2: Night ken flow.

2032
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play television producer for a second. Can you

2033
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 5: give me fifteen seconds though on Karini Silva, because I

2034
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 5: don't know if maybe she just doesn't realize what the

2035
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 5: us he thinks of her, But like, how are you

2036
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 5: not in the best shape of your life for that fight?

2037
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 4: Karini Silva? What happened?

2038
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 5: You broke me?

2039
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 4: You freaking broke me? Yeah, listen, she's so talented man,

2040
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 4: and you're right. Physically she did not look the same.

2041
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 6: And now that could be indicative of some kind of

2042
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 6: injury coming into this, or maybe she's getting complacent and

2043
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 6: didn't work hard. Whatever it is, I don't know. It

2044
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 6: was very unfortunate. This was a fight she should have won.

2045
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 6: Not to take anything away from Adujo. She's a good fighter,

2046
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 6: she's tough. This was not the same Kardini Silva that

2047
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 6: we have seen in the past, and I was very disappoint.

2048
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel Evangelisa Viviani ata Uzo's coach,

2049
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 5: that whole team deserves a lot of credit for what

2050
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 5: they're doing in that nation's capital, for sure. But uh yeah,

2051
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 5: Karini Silva potentially not ready for prime time. There all right,

2052
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Speaker 3: So I was thinking about doing some parlays.

2060
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Speaker 8: That's Kenny's game. You know, Kenny's the parlay guy, you

2061
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 8: know what I mean. He's come a one short, too short,

2062
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Speaker 8: but he's a party guy. Give me five ondred on

2063
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Speaker 8: song Kanong at plus one sixty, probably the most.

2064
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Speaker 3: Money I put on an underdog this year, maybe ever.

2065
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Speaker 8: Really confident in that spot, and I really like for

2066
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Speaker 8: you're gonna get. It's not out yet, but it's gonna

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Speaker 8: be a great number. And then I like five hundred

2070
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Speaker 8: on yon uh yeah, yoder yon Yoda. I say, Petra,

2071
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Speaker 8: I messed it up, Pyotre down on to Brian, so

2072
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 8: you gotta be that's true.

2073
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 5: By the way, Brian Pecher is getting minus two ninety

2074
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 5: eight for pyore Yoh, even better than I sent out. Ketho,

2075
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Speaker 5: what do you have for us? One thousand dollars UFC

2076
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Speaker 5: fight night Yan versus Figuretto And will you be awake

2077
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Speaker 5: Ken Flow at six am Eastern watching this pick?

2078
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 8: Uh?

2079
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 4: Probably not? No, Actually I will, I will. Actually, if

2080
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 4: it's in the morning, I will.

2081
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 6: I'm gonna keep it simple, dude, and you know we're

2082
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,600
Speaker 6: gonna hit you with another parlay one thousand dollars on

2083
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Speaker 6: Pyotre Yawn and the other Yon Yon shall not.

2084
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Speaker 4: It's all a thousand bucks on the Yawns. John, give

2085
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Speaker 4: it to me, let's go.

2086
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 5: I actually think that wager makes a lot of sense.

2087
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Speaker 5: Given where you are in the standings. That's a pretty

2088
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Speaker 5: good job. You can follow these guys at Kenny Florian

2089
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Speaker 5: and at Brian Petrie m m A VP. Sorry for

2090
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Speaker 5: the tardy start. We appreciate your contributions as always. Happy

2091
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Speaker 5: Thanksgiving and we will talk to you before December kicks off,

2092
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 5: my man, but wepciate we have a good holiday with

2093
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 5: the family, buddy.

2094
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Speaker 8: Yeah, have a good Thanksgiving. Never need to apologize. I

2095
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 8: was listening to the great Ray Lano. You guys are fantastic.

2096
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Speaker 8: I'm happy all days seeing a bit.

2097
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Speaker 5: Thank you about arias Bryan Petrie, chief handicapper here on

2098
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Speaker 5: the Anna and Florian podcast. All right, that's gonna do it.

2099
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Speaker 5: Don't forget remember the show. Our shoulder program can be

2100
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Speaker 5: seen on the Anticonflorming podcast YouTube channel that features the

2101
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Speaker 5: unisputed weltweight champion Ballow Mohammed and my twin brother Jason Annik.

2102
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Speaker 5: Thank you all for watching this show. Don't forget John

2103
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Speaker 5: An dot com Kenny Florian dot com for anything relating

2104
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 5: to this podcast. Kenny, I don't know if you have

2105
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 5: anything else, but if you don't, I am going to

2106
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 5: which everybody out there happy Thanksgiving? Awesome. Zadi responded to

2107
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Speaker 5: what oh what I said live about karate combat?

2108
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Speaker 2: Oh?

2109
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Speaker 7: You go?

2110
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 5: All right? So I guess we were live the last

2111
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 5: couple hours. Maybe Cody pushed out a video of me

2112
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 5: challenging Jay and a karate combat said you promostly want

2113
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,680
Speaker 5: to book that fighter? No, Cody does he want to

2114
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 5: book that thing? Or because Jay and speaking right now,

2115
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:39,799
Speaker 5: he wants.

2116
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 4: To book it?

2117
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, all right, so we'll see what happens Jay.

2118
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 5: You know, I was actually joking with a friend of

2119
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 5: mine that I was going to secretly start boxing training

2120
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 5: and like faint and injury or something before I even

2121
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 5: started boxing training, right, and then just take boxing lessons

2122
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 5: for like a year, right, and then challenge Jay to

2123
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 5: a boxing match and then tune that motherfucker up. But

2124
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 5: I would never do that to him because because that's

2125
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 5: my guy.

2126
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 6: I got a question, if if you guys have the

2127
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 6: exact same haircuts, how do we know who's who?

2128
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 4: How do I know who won?

2129
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 5: I could be a flyweight in my face is still fatter, so.

2130
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 4: You know about that.

2131
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: All right?

2132
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 5: All right, we got to get on out of here.

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Speaker 5: Thank you to Ray Long, go to Brian Petrie, to

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Speaker 5: our great producer Cody Merrow. Thanks to Jason and running

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Speaker 5: this whole business for kem Plum. John Annick wishing you

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Speaker 5: all a happy Thanksgiving or to all for whom that applies,

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Speaker 5: and uh, we'll be back with you probably in ten

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Speaker 5: or eleven days. And thanks to everybody for supporting the show.

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Speaker 5: It means a lot. Several big shows coming up the

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Speaker 5: rest of the way. Have a good week or so,

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Speaker 5: have a good holiday. Until then you later, ain't gone, Brad.