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Speaker 1: We have the president of baseball operations for the Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals, Heim Bloom, joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: Him.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on. So how is camp with

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Speaker 1: We've been talking to some of the younger players. A

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Speaker 1: lot of those younger players now becoming more senior members

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Speaker 1: and leaders of the team as it was a busy

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Speaker 1: offseason for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really been the cool part of this

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Speaker 2: camp so far. Every year is different. You never really

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Speaker 2: know what you're going to have in terms of the vibe.

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Speaker 2: So you get in there and with a lot of

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Speaker 2: these guys seeing that they can make this what they

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Speaker 2: want it to be, and they can step up and

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Speaker 2: they can take a leadership role. And I always believe

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Speaker 2: you can lead at any age. It's really about bringing

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Speaker 2: a really good and authentic version of yourself to this

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Speaker 2: and it's been cool to see some of these guys realize,

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Speaker 2: like they understand, the standard here is very high. We

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Speaker 2: want to keep that very high, but they get to

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Speaker 2: define what that looks like now for them going forward.

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Speaker 2: It's always better than having it imposed from the outside

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Speaker 2: when the group there gets to define it. I will say,

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Speaker 2: you know, the biggest problem I actually have with this

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Speaker 2: camp so far is that I thought I thought Krafts

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Speaker 2: was going to be on the NOPE and.

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Speaker 3: The big league.

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Speaker 2: I mean, did you fire him to at one point? No, No,

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Speaker 2: I never have Hadham. I did had him as a

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Speaker 2: player briefly and then actually worked with him a little

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Speaker 2: bit during one of the years of Boston and he

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Speaker 2: was always so reliable. I guess he's changed.

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Speaker 3: He's changed.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's got he's got a big raise now,

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Speaker 4: so he's getting the new palace done or new kitchen done.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we had we had a renovation here

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Speaker 2: throughout the entirety of last year as everybody could see,

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Speaker 2: and all of our Jupiter based people just worked through it,

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Speaker 2: got the job done.

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Speaker 3: Order people grind.

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania people together with him will.

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Speaker 3: Have to talk about for sure. All right, So I

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Speaker 3: have a couple of questions.

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Speaker 4: First of all, can I just ask why you guys

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Speaker 4: couldn't put the sauna next to the club. Also, guys,

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Speaker 4: there's now dudes in towels walking back and forth here

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Speaker 4: in the public.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's got a miss on the DNA has

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Speaker 2: that is a new feet Sure of the performance centers,

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Speaker 2: we have a sauna there and it has been very popular,

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Speaker 2: although it took about a week before before we broke it.

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Speaker 2: I think from overuse because there's an out of order

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Speaker 2: sign on it. The last couple of days, I will say,

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Speaker 2: the staff to player ratio of people who actually use

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Speaker 2: the sauna is way too high. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 4: Players are young though they haven't. They don't have they

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Speaker 4: don't understand that party get flush.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use it.

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Speaker 3: As soon as we're doing this interview, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have been there yet. I keep thinking if

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Speaker 2: I go in there and then people are going to

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's smart, that's smart. You're president of Baseball Offs.

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Speaker 4: How does the hierarchy work? You know it's different GM,

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Speaker 4: President Baseball off. You have the second parking spot, but

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Speaker 4: not the first one.

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Speaker 2: No, No, the owner has the first one, as it

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Speaker 2: should be. It's different everywhere. I mean a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, titles are different in a lot of places.

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Speaker 2: When my career started, the sort of top person on

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Speaker 2: the front office hierarchy was almost always a GM. But

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Speaker 2: you know that being said, like when things got revamped

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Speaker 2: little differently. And then he started to see just you know,

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Speaker 2: front offices have expanded just to tack all that work,

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Speaker 2: and that led to some different titles. At the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, you know, what we're called is really

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Speaker 2: So as long as that everything's clear to everybody, it

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Speaker 3: Is Andrew Friedman.

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Speaker 4: We had him on we were in Dodgers camp and

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Speaker 4: I asked him, this is he the godfather of GM

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Speaker 4: first raised guy right to go to the Dodgers and

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Speaker 4: then there now they're kind of all over the league.

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Speaker 2: You mean, the godfather the title or of like the

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Speaker 2: raised tree, the race both kind of well, as far

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Speaker 2: as the race tried, I mean, I'm curious what he said,

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Speaker 2: but you know, obviously there's so many of us got

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Speaker 2: you know, whether there elsewhere to just do all sorts

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Speaker 2: of cool things. It was a really special place to

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Speaker 2: him for all those years and and you know, stay

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Speaker 2: things that came out of that. When I think about

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Speaker 2: the people that I got to work with, the things

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Speaker 2: we got to do, I couldn't ask for anything more.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't trade that experience for anything. As far as the title,

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Speaker 2: I think there were a couple others, Like I think

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Speaker 2: when THEO went from Boston to Chicago, that was that

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Speaker 2: that title came to play there, and that was a

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Speaker 2: little before. I'm probably forgetting one or two again. Titles

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Speaker 2: are you know, on some level, they're important for everybody

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Speaker 2: to understand and for there to be clarity around what

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Speaker 3: You're the boss, right, so you're just like, I know

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: call us whatever you want. We're here to get a

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Speaker 2: job done, and that's what matters.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I think this town

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Speaker 1: and talking about say Lewis, has seen a ton of

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Speaker 1: success in terms of their baseball team right for a

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Speaker 1: long period of time. Do you think the modern fan

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Speaker 1: understands the process of a team going through what could

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Speaker 1: be some pain points and just whatever word you want

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Speaker 1: to call it to get to the next great Cardinals team.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the fan now is better equipped

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Speaker 1: with how much info we have on prospects and just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to compare now versus you know,

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Speaker 2: in a baseball town. You do yourself at this service

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Speaker 2: if you think you can pull the roll over the

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Speaker 2: eyes of your fans. Our fans are really smart. They

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Speaker 2: get this, and you know, I actually have felt you know,

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Speaker 2: and I understand that. You know, people are polite. They

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Speaker 2: You usually got to put them behind a keyboard for

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Speaker 2: that type of stuff. But what do you mean. You know,

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Speaker 2: I actually have felt that, look to the extent, that

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Speaker 2: this is the right course for our organization. We believe

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Speaker 2: strongly that it is, and actually the best and quickest

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Speaker 2: to lean into this and just make sure we're doubling

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Speaker 2: down on building up our young talent base, because that's

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Speaker 2: how the Cardinals always win. I think I have felt

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Speaker 2: that our fans understand that, and I think we'd actually

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Speaker 2: at the same time, there's not going to be a day,

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Speaker 2: regardless how young we are, there's not going to be

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Speaker 2: a day when we show up. It's place not expecting

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Speaker 2: to win and not looking to win, and not looking

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Speaker 2: to keep that standard really high. It's not a switch

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Speaker 2: you flip. You established that from day one, and that

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Speaker 2: should not change just because our strategy is a longer

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Speaker 2: term strategy that intensity, the attention to detail, the hunger

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Speaker 2: to win, whatever's on your plate that day. It's something

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Speaker 2: that I preach a lot within our walls to our staff.

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Speaker 2: You know, in any given day, whether you're a coach,

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Speaker 2: whether you're a front office person, a scout, whatever your

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Speaker 2: like game seven. That's the only way we get where

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Speaker 2: we want to go.

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Speaker 1: So now let's push this forward and get people excited both.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know the Cardinals fans know what's coming,

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Speaker 1: but what about even for the national scene. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell us what you've seen some exciting storylines in camp,

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Speaker 1: whether it's names that you're seeing a lot of improvement

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate answering this question because it feels like

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Speaker 2: you're tempting the baseball gods just to point out all

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Speaker 2: the things that are going right on March second. But

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Speaker 2: it has been exciting. You know what stood out and

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Speaker 2: I think give it to some of the newcomers, the

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Speaker 2: the baseball gods, but that group has looked really good

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Speaker 2: and you could see that both the camaraderie building within

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Speaker 2: we need. Both you know, starters, bullpen guys at big

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Speaker 2: for Team Italy, But who's really who's getting the chance

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Speaker 2: now of play everywhere and really leaning into that, taking

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Speaker 2: it on with enthusiasm, working hard. You know, guys are

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Speaker 2: seeing that opportunity we had. I was actually tied up

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Speaker 2: in a meeting. I didn't get out to see it.

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Speaker 2: But we had this execution drill that the staff came

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Speaker 2: up with. I think there's some videos of it that

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Speaker 2: this is a drill. This is just trying to practice

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Speaker 2: things that we're gonna have to execute in season. And

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Speaker 2: the intensity the competition. I had somebody come up to

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Speaker 2: me and say they were hearing like you know, it

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Speaker 2: was it was sort of a college baseball vibe in

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Speaker 2: a sense. But hearing things like hooting and hollering that

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Speaker 2: they hadn't heard being here for a few years, and

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Speaker 3: Is that why you gave all it to your extension

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Speaker 3: because he came up with this drill.

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Speaker 2: Well the extension was well in progress.

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Speaker 4: But I thought you saw this drill and you're like,

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Speaker 4: we got to have him for two more years. Uh, No,

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Speaker 4: I missed the drill. I was I was starting to

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Speaker 4: Since you're hiring ex Cardinal Catchers to come back to

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Speaker 4: Oh, I can't believe you picked Yaudi over me. With

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no disrespect. You are you are remembered fondly in

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Speaker 1: When you say tick, do you look at each player's

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Speaker 2: That's exactly at that and those types of questions or

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Speaker 3: How do you what do you say to people?

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Speaker 4: Let's say hein Bloom is just a talent evaluator, right,

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Speaker 4: of Michael Olyas comes to mind in Baltimore, right. They say, oh,

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Speaker 2: Well, for starters, I guess I should say thank you

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Speaker 2: I've been call worse. You know, there's only so many

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Speaker 2: I understand those questions. I mean, look, we all share

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Speaker 2: But like I said, there's never going to be a

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Speaker 2: It just so happens that right now where we are,

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Speaker 2: and it's on me, on us, on our whole organization

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Speaker 1: Well, Hian, we appreciate the time. We're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, good to see.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a little season preview on the Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: Cardinals for the twenty twenty sixth season. First to quick recap,

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Speaker 1: the off season was busy for them, aj and we

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to hear the word very often,

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Speaker 1: It's called rebuilding. That's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Right now, retooling, rebuilding, reloading.

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Speaker 4: Every team nobody wants to use the word rebuild, and

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Speaker 4: That's why I think it was nice of Heim Bloom

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals have been though, they've been upfront with their

438
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Speaker 4: fans and they said, hey, listen, we're going to need

439
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Speaker 4: to take a step back to take two steps forward.

440
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Speaker 3: So they're doing it this year.

441
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Speaker 4: They continue to draft well, if I'm Bloom's in charge,

442
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,360
Speaker 4: they'll continue to develop players well, and then they'll be good,

443
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Speaker 4: hopefully in a shorter time than what most people expect.

444
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say.

445
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Speaker 5: As a Cardinals fan, you sit there and go, Okay,

446
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 5: we've had history of this, and you look at you know,

447
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 5: no other organization has had history of success, and then rebuild.

448
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 5: Wait no, they haven't rebuilt. There's a whole generation of

449
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 5: Cardinals fans that don't know what a rebuild or reboot

450
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 5: looks like, and this could be hard. And I hear

451
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,120
Speaker 5: a lot of words coming out of the clubhouse or

452
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 5: coming out of this organization right now, like, oh, we

453
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 5: got to start new, We got to start new. What

454
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Speaker 5: are the things that they're keeping from the other from

455
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Speaker 5: the last regime, the last regime that was supremely successful

456
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Speaker 5: are how are they building to that? And I think,

457
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 5: you know, you might have pieces in this organization that

458
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Speaker 5: allow them to build on them, but what is the

459
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 5: core principles of this organization that will make this be

460
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Speaker 5: the Cardinals of old and not Okay, well we'll do

461
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 5: this for five years and then we'll rebuild. The reality

462
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 5: is they're going to need to spend money once they

463
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Speaker 5: see a season like this and say, Okay, who's going

464
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Speaker 5: to step up as JJ Weatherholt an everyday big leaguer.

465
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Speaker 5: Is Mason win going to take the next step and

466
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Speaker 5: be not just the elite on defense but a three

467
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 5: hundred hitter every year? Is Jordan Walker going to be

468
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Speaker 5: that guy? So there's a lot of questions that need

469
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Speaker 5: to be asked when you go through a rebuild, and

470
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Speaker 5: those questions need to be answered here this season.

471
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Speaker 1: And let's show what BETEMGM is bringing to the table

472
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Speaker 1: for their win total projection. Fangrabs has them and they

473
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Speaker 1: play everybody a little bit closer to the middle. That's

474
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Speaker 1: seventy four point nine, so about seventy five wins. BETAMGM

475
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Speaker 1: has the total at sixty nine and a half. For

476
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Giggity beat you to it. But what do

477
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Speaker 1: you think, aj, I.

478
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Speaker 4: Think they're closer to the fan grabs than they are

479
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Speaker 4: the VITMGM. I think that I just think that they'll

480
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Speaker 4: figure it out. They oh last year, the last couple

481
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Speaker 4: of years, they haven't, you know, supposed to be that gray,

482
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Speaker 4: but they always end up around five hundred ish Now

483
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Speaker 4: I think. I think seventy for four to seventy five

484
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Speaker 4: wins is a great number. I think the sixty nine

485
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 4: is too low, So I like the I like the

486
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Speaker 4: higher little bit of a higher number. I think there

487
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 4: were low seventies, the mid seventies win team.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go below.

489
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Speaker 5: I think they're going to lose one hundred games, and

490
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a tough, a tough

491
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Speaker 5: build because of the fact that you're already using your

492
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Speaker 5: depth pitching wise, like had they had they re signed

493
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Speaker 5: to Miles Michaels, had they kept a sunny gray. Now,

494
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you're using some of these young

495
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Speaker 5: guys to be that depth. You're already using that depth,

496
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Speaker 5: and I just think I think the NL central is

497
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 5: a little bit tougher. So I'm going under the giggoty

498
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Speaker 5: that the bet MGM put out for us.

499
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's look at the lineup, and there are

500
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Speaker 1: a lot of numbers on here AJ that are sub

501
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Speaker 1: one hundred for ops plus as in league average. Not

502
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Speaker 1: quite there. Do we think anybody on this lineup will

503
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: emerge and get past that that vaunted one hundred number.

504
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not saying nobody on here is on hundred.

505
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: Von Herrera had a banger season for them and is

506
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: a name not many no, but should know. Alec Burlison

507
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: is going to get every day be mostly at first base. Great,

508
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: those are the only two guys in the projected starting

509
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: lineup from Fangrafts that were registered as above average bats

510
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Speaker 1: last year.

511
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Speaker 4: Anybody like, yes, it's Jordan Walker's time. It's time, Jordan here,

512
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 4: It's time. It's just time. It's time for Jordan Walker

513
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Speaker 4: to take the next step, and I know he's had

514
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Speaker 4: some and we talked to him and we talked to

515
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Speaker 4: Ali about Jordan Walker.

516
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Speaker 3: But it's time.

517
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: It's time for him to swing and it's time for

518
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 4: him to hit, and it's time for him to be

519
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 4: the number one prospect that everyone thought he was going

520
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 4: to be. So I think Jordan Walker is going to

521
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 4: be free. He's not going to be any worries and

522
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 4: he's going to figure it out. I mean, this kid's

523
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Speaker 4: still what twenty five years old, I think he is,

524
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Speaker 4: so he's not He's still super young. So I think

525
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: Jordan Walker is gonna have a huge year. And listen,

526
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: if I'm betting JJ Weatherholt is going to be a

527
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 4: stud for the Cardinals and they're really gonna enjoy what

528
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: he does.

529
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Speaker 3: He's Jack. He just walked by.

530
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Speaker 4: I know he sat earlier with us, but he kind

531
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Speaker 4: of was covered up. He's walked by. He's freaking Jack, dude.

532
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 4: That's why when he brought up the Paedroia comparisons, I'm like,

533
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: you're way bigger than old.

534
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Speaker 1: One to five was Jordan Walker. By the way, He's

535
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Speaker 1: twenty three turning twenty four in late May. He's pretty

536
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: damn young.

537
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

538
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 5: To me, that guy on there is Mason Win. I

539
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 5: think you gain confidence from your defense, and I think

540
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 5: his feet are firmly on the ground and defense.

541
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Speaker 1: I think his.

542
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Speaker 5: From his bat speed to his speed to just another year.

543
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 5: I know we make fun of some teams who say that,

544
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: but I think Mason Win takes the next step. Is

545
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: he ever going to be a one thirty ops plus? No,

546
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 5: But I think he takes the next step in pushes

547
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 5: it over that one hundred because I also think you

548
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 5: have if the lineup's constructed where like Nolan Gorman's around him,

549
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 5: who I think is going to have a better year

550
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 5: this year. And Jj Weatherholt is what I've seen in

551
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 5: the few at bats from spring training, and I watched

552
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 5: a couple of his triple A at bats, like, now

553
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 5: you have a little bit more protection, not that you're

554
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 5: protecting Mason Win, but just that I think he takes

555
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 5: that next step because he's completely solidified, he's got gold,

556
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 5: he's got those things. And now the offense, which really

557
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 5: good defenders at shortstop in history that I've seen recently

558
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 5: of shortstops who don't hit right away, they slowly learn

559
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 5: it because they're out there every day. So I think

560
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 5: that's where he's going to take the next step.

561
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: And we didn't get to talk about this aj from

562
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: the last few days, but we mentioned it of course

563
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: to Ali Marmole. He gets extended, so you get some

564
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: stability in there. He knows he's going to be the

565
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: guy for the next few years.

566
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 4: Yes, he does, and that's big for a manager, especially

567
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: a guy who's going into this process where they're going

568
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: to have to have young players. You have to give

569
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 4: a guy a chance to teach the young players and

570
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: grow with him. And Ali Marmle I believe is the

571
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 4: right guy for this. Oli Marble is only thirty nine

572
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: years old. He's not even forty years old yet, so

573
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: you know he is a younger coaching staff that a

574
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: lot of the players around here know most a lot

575
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: of them played for the Cardinals. They're people in Saint

576
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 4: Louis trust their opinion. John Jay descalso some of these guys.

577
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 4: So I think that giving Marvel the extension gives him

578
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: the confidence and gives him the freedom to raise these

579
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 4: young kids the way that he thinks they should. And

580
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: all he's been in this organization for a long time.

581
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: So he knows the Cardinal way and he knows what

582
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: he's expecting and people of Saint Louis expect out of

583
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: their big league team.

584
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: He's managed this team and they've had some success, and

585
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: they haven't been as good the last couple of years,

586
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: and that's probably going to be the case here. So

587
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: he knows how to do that side of the equation.

588
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: And also we're trying to get some information crats out

589
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: of some of the young guy In terms of what's

590
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: going to look different, I would say I'll look back

591
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: at a Katie Wu article that we discussed, what was

592
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: it two years ago at this point about how the

593
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals had fallen very behind on some of the development

594
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: that they did a really nice job of in the past,

595
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: because they kind of had to make the decision, Hey,

596
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: do we want to spend a little more on the

597
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: major league roster, Yes, but then we have to take

598
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: that away from what we do on the development side.

599
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Whether they weren't getting the best tech, whether they weren't

600
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, having the most loaded coaching staff in terms

601
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: of numbers, how many coaches they had, all of that

602
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: right that the Cardinals did so well, they kind of

603
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: sacrifice that and it sounds like the pendulum is shifting

604
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: back towards that side and that should help on the

605
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,239
Speaker 1: development front. Now, eventually the team's going to build up,

606
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: and then fans and basically everyone's going to be like, hey,

607
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: well now you've got to support that team again, So

608
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: don't take from your development side, just add on and

609
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: we'll see if that happens eventually.

610
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 5: And talking to him, unfortunately I missed the him interview

611
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: and he gave me a hard time for but talking

612
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: to him off camera, he is and I guess, I

613
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: guess I'm a proponent of Hein Bloom because I worked

614
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: for him for a little bit and I played in

615
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: the organization that he was one of the assistant jams for.

616
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 5: But he has a track record of understanding what it

617
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 5: takes to build up a farm system, and when he

618
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 5: came in there were things lacking. Some guys come in

619
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, we're going to re reboot this

620
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 5: farm system. We're going to do this, and they hack everybody.

621
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Speaker 5: Look at the Marlins. The Marlins came in and Peter

622
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: Bendex came in and just hacked coaches after coaches after,

623
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: you know, assistant directors of this and him came in

624
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 5: and he did it differently. He did it more like

625
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 5: what happened in Boston, where he said, okay, there's a

626
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: few few people that we had to get rid of.

627
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: But he was like, that wasn't his goal. His goal

628
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 5: was to say, there's been twenty years of success here.

629
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Speaker 5: If you've been here for twenty years, you've been doing

630
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: something right. Do you need and he had he attached

631
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 5: the hey, I want to I want to be I

632
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 5: want to be a help. I don't want to be

633
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 5: the you know, the person who lords over everything from

634
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: the Ivory Tower. And so instead of hacking jobs, he

635
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: added to positions that organizations had been adding, you know,

636
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: a fourth coach to triple A or DOUBLELA. They added

637
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 5: those ten years ago, and the Cardinals were behind on that.

638
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 5: Their their system of analyzing stuff like analytics stuff. Their

639
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: system was way way behind, but they didn't need it.

640
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: And we talked about this on this show. When they

641
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 5: got Wilson Contreras from the Cubs. There was a lot

642
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: of things that Wilson Contreras was asked to do that

643
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: Yadi Molina was doing before. And it's evaluating who you're

644
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: playing against. All that stuff that it was unfair the

645
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: organization to say, oh, hey, we're going to have you

646
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: do this, and him Blooms come in and he's seen

647
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 5: how two differentiations, the Rays and the Red Sox did

648
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: things settings up out from an in structure, and from

649
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 5: what I heard and what he told me, it seems

650
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: like ownership has been like, Okay, we're we want to

651
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 5: get back on track, we want to do this. While

652
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 5: you're not seeing them spending a big league team, there

653
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 5: is some behind the scenes spending and it kind of

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Speaker 5: kind of starts with what AJ sees behind them. In

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Speaker 5: the addition that they made at the at the complex.

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Speaker 1: There, that's right, the complex is shiny.

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Speaker 4: The complex is brand new. But that was that was

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Speaker 4: not the Cardinals. I mean they the Marlins are will

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Speaker 4: be there tomorrow fifty feet down the road, and they

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Speaker 4: have the same thing. So that was more the city

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Speaker 4: of Jupiter and the county down here did not want

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Speaker 4: to lose the Marlins and the Cardinals, so they did

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Speaker 4: a nice job. I mean the Cardinals didn't. As much

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Speaker 4: as I love the Cardinals, the Cardinals did not pay

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Speaker 4: for this. Okay, let's just let's let's not go.

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Speaker 1: There, right right, Yeah, the cities put in money to

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Speaker 1: keep the teams and drive the tourist dollars.

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Speaker 4: And also it was time. Also it was time because crats,

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Speaker 4: you know you were here last year. This was outdated

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Speaker 4: and listen outdated.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of the things, a lot of a

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Speaker 3: lot of the things are outdated.

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Speaker 1: Yep, sauna's in place. AJ is ready to go for

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Speaker 1: it in like seven minutes.

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Speaker 4: When I gotta go, I gotta walk. I gotta get

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Speaker 4: a towel and put my underwear on and walk though

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Speaker 4: across the street, across the walkway here to get to it.

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Speaker 1: They call it the walk of fame, to walk to

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Speaker 1: the sauna.

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Speaker 5: Not not at as age shame.

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Speaker 1: No fame, fame crafts. By the way, I liked your

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Speaker 1: Ivory Tower drop. That's what Pat Murphy calls the front office,

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Speaker 1: or any front office