1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: let's get to the show. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Very excited to have a special guest with us this morning, 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: former presidential candidate, current co chair of the Forward Party 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: and author of the new book The Last Election, I 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: should say co author alongside Stephen marsh There's the book. 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: You can see it there, and it's a novel. This 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: time it is not nonfiction as his previous books were. 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: The one and only friend of the show, Andrew Yang. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Great to see sir, Good to see you, man. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: To be back. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: Hey guys, congratulations on all the success in the new 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: studio and everything. 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you and the. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: Group. 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that cool? 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: We're going to do keep part of it. Yeah, thanks, 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: all right. 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: So Andrew just talked to us a little bit about 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: the book and what it was that inspired this kind 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: of you know, dark take that again, it's fiction, but 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of a dark take on the future of America. 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: Here. 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got all these experiences running for president, Krystal. 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 4: I was trying to convey them to folks, and there 33 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: was something of a message. I mean, I sat down 34 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: with people and they said, what do you really think 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 4: is going to happen or what happens if there's a 36 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 4: major independent presidential candidate? And I said, here's what I 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: think is going to happen. And then the question was 38 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 4: how do you get that message out? And we thought 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: that telling a story was the most compelling, accessible way 40 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: to do so, because people like stories more than they 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: like op eds or facts and statistics, which is something 42 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: I also learned on the presidential trail. 43 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Despite the math, despite the math hat unfortunately you probably right, Andrew, 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: what are you seeing as signs of decay in our 45 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: democracy and all that that you think that you think 46 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: are they are bringing to you know forward in your book, 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: like is it just January sixth? Like are there other 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: events and other markers that you can look for and 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: think about that you're trying to incorporate a lot. 50 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: Of it's the media, but you guys can see you 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 4: talk about this all the time on your show. I mean, 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: you're looking at a Biden Trump rematch that two thirds 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: of the country doesn't want. And so if you have 54 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: laying that wide or vacuum that big, then someone's going 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: to move. 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: To fill it. 57 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: But you don't have a system that naturally accommodates new 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: entrants or parties. Frankly, and as the coachair of the 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: Forward Party, you know, like I lived this, so and 60 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: so if someone runs, they may end up not having 61 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: the desired effect. I mean, when people ask me about 62 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 4: this Biden Trump matchup and what to do, I say 63 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: to them, honestly that the best thing you could do 64 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: is just run the craziest person you could think of, 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: because the way our system is set up, that might 66 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: actually do some good. Whereas if you run a really 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: good person, that might not do some good. 68 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: Right and so, Andrew, as you're looking at this, you 69 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: know the way that the sort of partisan media usually 70 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: portrays the problems in the country. They usually focus on 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: like specific people, like oh, it's the supporters of Trump 72 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: that are the problem, or oh, it's the supporters of 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: buying the Democrats that are the problem. But I think 74 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: one thing that you have done consistently is to show 75 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: people a lot of care and empathy regardless of where 76 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: they are on the political spectrum, which is why you 77 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of bipartisan support, and to stay laser 78 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: focused on some of the more systemic issues. So what 79 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: do you see as the core of the issues that 80 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: have led you to feel like we are a nation 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: on the brink? 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: The core issue, Crystal, is the structural incentives for the 83 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: actors in the system, and right now, the fiction is 84 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 4: that our leaders have to make fifty one percent of 85 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: us happy. 86 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: They don't. 87 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: They just need to placate and please the most extreme 88 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: ten to twelve percent in their party's base, which on 89 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: the Republican side has really driven them off a cliff. 90 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: There are distortions on the Democratic side clearly, and you 91 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: can see that in the lack of a primary for 92 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: Joe Biden, which I think is setting the country up 93 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: for a potential catastrophe. So you have these two parties 94 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 4: that aren't actually listening to us anymore, and they cordoned 95 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 4: the country up into blue and red zones where the 96 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: vast majority of the people watching this are listening to 97 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 4: this right now, there's no suspense as to which party 98 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: are going to represent you in Congress. It's going to 99 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: be the Democrat of the Republican, and so there's this 100 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 4: illusion of competition that they're casting out. And I said 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: this with you and Kyle, you have a twenty percent 102 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: congressional approval rate and then a ninety four percent reelection rate. 103 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: So in that system, you can do things like thrust 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: three million American kids back into poverty, and there's no 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: real problem for you politically because you're insulated from any competition. 106 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: So it's this rot in the system that is separating 107 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: our leaders from us. And you can put a good 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 4: person in the system, which I prefer, you can put 109 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 4: a terrible person in the system, which you know I 110 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: don't like at all, And there are terrible people in 111 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 4: the system. But unfortunately the system itself is driving a 112 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: lot of the dysfunction, and then the media becomes complicit 113 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 4: in maintaining the system. 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: Your rise, I always saw, is very indicative of the 115 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: Internet and its first imprints for real this time on 116 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: the election. I've made a comparison here previously about Vivek Ramaswami, 117 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: someone who you've talked about previously, just wanted to ask 118 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: for your general take so far as to not only 119 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: the overall primary process, the Democratic primary, the Republican primary, 120 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: how you see some of the seeds that you planted 121 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: and how they're manifesting right now. 122 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: You know, I got to say you two and breaking 123 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: points are part of the cure, part of the antidote. 124 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: You talk about my run activating people in a whole 125 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: new way. 126 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: I feel like you guys do it every day, so 127 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: really like, kudos to you all for actually helping people 128 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: see things more clearly. I wish that there was a 129 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: Democratic primary, and one of the ideas I put out 130 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: there was that there should be a vice presidential primary. 131 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: If Joe Biden insists on saying, hey, it's going to 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: be me again, like let's figure out who my successor 133 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: should be, and then there are folks who are running 134 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: who have captured some of the anti institutional energy. 135 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: I think Vivek is certainly very high on that list. 136 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: The Republican Party is more welcoming to outsiders than Democrats, 137 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 4: in part because of their relationship with the media, and 138 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 4: I wish that any one other than Trump seemed like 139 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: they were achieving enough energy to make sure Trump's not 140 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 4: the nominee. I think Trump's a total catastrophe, and I'm 141 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 4: trying to do anything I can to keep Trump from 142 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 4: winning again. As we're having this conversation, I would see 143 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: Trump as unfortunately a mild favorite to win reelection, in 144 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: large part because I think there are going to be 145 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 4: multiple candidates in the general in twenty twenty four. 146 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: Well, let's take into that. 147 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: You think because of party stratification, as in you said 148 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: multiple people running like third party bids, or do you 149 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: think it's because of structural factors like Joe Biden and 150 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: weaknesses there to say that he's a mild favor for reelection. 151 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: Oh, no, I think Trump's a mild favorite to win 152 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: re election. But so first, I think Joe Biden is 153 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: not the best candidate on the Democratic side. 154 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: I think having a bad process. I think he's being 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: saddled with. 156 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: Some tough economic issues that of course people are going 157 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: to lay at his feet. But I think that the 158 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: Democrats should have a real process and try and find 159 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: a better candidate that also helps take age off the table. 160 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: So that's one thing. Now, Trump and Biden are just 161 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: about tied in the general. According to most accounts, Trump 162 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: leads Biden on the economy among independent voters very significantly, 163 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: by maybe twenty percentage points. And so if you have 164 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: those two head to head, it's a bit of a 165 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: coin flip. But then if you introduce Cornell West and 166 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: the Green Party, maybe an RFK as an independent, maybe 167 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: a Joe Manchin, then I feel like the landscape favors Trump. 168 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said about that. Andrew, 169 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you as well. You talked about 170 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: some of the structural factors. You talked about the system 171 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: of the elections themselves, the party control, the media, control 172 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: the way that they choose to operate, and then sent 173 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: a structure that they have as well. What will you 174 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: think social media plays into this landscape too well. 175 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: I think social media is part of the problem, honestly. 176 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: I think it dumps fuel on the most sensationalist and 177 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 4: it makes everyone's appeal have to be very emotional and 178 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: tribal because that's how you get energy. And then in 179 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: some cases small dollar donations, it turns us all into 180 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 4: characters in a play and the narratives are not leading 181 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: us anywhere constructive. It was Ezra Client who said corrupt 182 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 4: system compromises good individuals with ease. I'm going to say 183 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: social media as a corrupt system. 184 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting way of putting it. I mean, 185 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: I guess Andrew, you know, we have a lot of 186 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: people who so watch the show O G Yanggang, many 187 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: people who you activated into politics. So we've been trying 188 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: to carry forward some of that energy now that it's 189 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: been you know, several years since all of that happened. 190 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: What are some of the reflections that you have about 191 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: Bible political movements, why you decided to go with the 192 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: Ford Party, and where people should channel their energy if 193 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: they want to keep it in a good direction and 194 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: not into cynicism. 195 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 4: What I would say to folks who want to make 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 4: good things happen for people, and I put myself in 197 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: that category, is that the two party system is designed 198 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 4: to diffuse and weaken any popular energy, in part by 199 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: separating us from each other. There are millions of Americans 200 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: on both sides of the aisle that don't like child poverty, 201 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: but unfortunately, right now we're being separated and said, hey, like, 202 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: your enemy are the people over there, and we're being 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: set up. So unless you make headway on this system, 204 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: the system that makes our leaders unaccountable to us leaders 205 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: that make us think that we are each other's enemies 206 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: even though we're all kind of in the same boat 207 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 4: in terms of AI and these other issues. 208 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: So the folks that supported. 209 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 4: Me, I get that you might think that, hey, this 210 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: is a different vibe or approach, but this is to 211 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: me the real approach, because if I was running around saying, hey, 212 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: let's do all these things, the system would not let 213 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 4: those things occur. So unless we actually amend and modernize 214 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: the system, we're just going to drive ourselves crazy and 215 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: each other, you know, eventually, would be on each other's throats. 216 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: So let's change the system itself. That's the real path forward. 217 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 4: And I feel like Crystal actually exerted herself in this 218 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: direction a number of years ago, trying to get different 219 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: candidates in the Midwest who represented more of like a 220 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: populist working class. I mean that that that was one approach, 221 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: But the incentives of the parties are driving them very 222 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: very strongly in particular directions, and it's away from the 223 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: direction that Chrystal was working them towards. 224 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: Because you know, like at this point they look. 225 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: At Ohio and say, hey, OHI I was not competitive 226 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: for us anymore. 227 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: So I guess I don't care. Don't matter, like we 228 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: don't care anymore with this trade you in for as state. 229 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Andrew, you said something in the interview you 230 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: did with me and Kyle that stuck with me, which is, 231 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, when you ran for president and you put 232 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: UBI forward as a central part of your campaign, you 233 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: massively move the needle in terms of support for it, 234 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: interest in it. You made it so it was a 235 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: majority support issue. But if you have a system that 236 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: doesn't reflect the world of majority or even take it 237 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: into account whatsoever, it doesn't matter. And so I think 238 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: that's why you know the direction you're going and focusing 239 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: on things like Ranke choice voting that could actually open 240 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: things up so you actually have more democratic choice available 241 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: to people. I think it's actually a good and positive direction. 242 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're engaged in that. 243 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: I totally agree. 244 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 4: Well, Crystal, that is really the fundamental insight is that 245 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: seventy four percent of us want term limits, not seeing 246 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 4: that eighty five percent of us want less money in politics, 247 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: don't want members of Congress to be able to trade. 248 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: Who cares? 249 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: You know, It's like what we want is essentially irrelevant. 250 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess eighty percent plus of us don't like 251 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: child poverty, you know what I mean, Like, we'd like 252 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: to lift those three million kids back out of poverty, 253 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: but of course that doesn't matter. And you look around 254 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: and say, where were the protests when all these people 255 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 4: were re impoverished. 256 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: Not a peep. 257 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: So the it's only when you realize that what we 258 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 4: want and think is irrelevant in the system do you 259 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 4: actually catch on. And then after you catch on, you say, Okay, 260 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: how can we make it so that what we want 261 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: actually does matter? I mean, two thirds of Americans want 262 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: universal based income, so are we going to get it? 263 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: Not in this system? You know, it's only in a 264 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: better system that we'd have a chance at addressing the 265 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: real challenges of this time. 266 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree with you, Andrew. Thank you so much 267 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: for joining us, and guys, go out and check out 268 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: the book. It's called The Last Election, co authored Andrew 269 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: and his co author Stephen barsh Really interesting. And I think, 270 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes stories are the best way to drive 271 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: a point home and get people to pay attention to 272 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: some of these underlying structural issues that you're trying to 273 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: highlight here. So Andrew always great to see you and 274 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, my friend. 275 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: Good to see you man, Thank you great. 276 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: Seeing you guys too. Thanks for having Meely, it's our pleasure.