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Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show.

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Speaker 2: Degree free dot Com. This woman helps folks get jobs

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Speaker 2: without buying college degree tech to trades, she describes it.

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Speaker 2: She's based in Montgomery, Texas, and that gives me occasion

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Speaker 2: to pay tribute to I believe the late Great I

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Speaker 2: think he passed because I never got to meet him,

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Speaker 2: and I was bummed about this relatively recently.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it is not right.

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Speaker 2: Francis Rodney Zambone, I believe it was his name. Francis

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Speaker 2: Rodney Zambone was from Montgomery. He wrote under the name

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Speaker 2: Mark James. I wish he'd kept Zambone because I think

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Speaker 2: that's a I mean, Frank Zambone. I like that better

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Speaker 2: than Mark Jane. Mark James is just anyway. He wrote

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Speaker 2: always on my Mind that Elvis made famous Moody Blue

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Speaker 2: Suspicious Minds the only Elvis song ramone that I ever

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Speaker 2: know of being covered with with any facility, with any success,

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Speaker 2: and that was Dwight Yoakum's version. And that's because he

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Speaker 2: kind of he took it to punk country, and so

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Speaker 2: that changed the style, and I think that's the only

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Speaker 2: reason I tolerated.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, hooked on a feeling for what's his name?

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Speaker 1: For bj Thomas. Anyway. He was from Montgomery, She's from.

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Speaker 2: What that's all he wrote, just a few of what

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Speaker 2: he wrote. Her name is Hannah or Hannah? Before we

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Speaker 2: ask her, what do you think it is? You're gonna

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Speaker 2: go Hannah? Okay, Hannah Mario Maru Yama. Maru Yama probably

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Speaker 2: a good Japanese name. The website is degree Free. This

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Speaker 2: is the kind of thing that I think could help

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks. So, Hannah or Hannah?

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Speaker 1: Which is it?

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Speaker 3: It's Hannah, It's Hannah. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 2: Michael, Now tell me you reached out to me with

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Speaker 2: a kind of here's what I do or PR person

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Speaker 2: did or whatever. Did you know this is something that

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Speaker 2: don't lie? Did you know this is something that I

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Speaker 2: talk about often?

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Speaker 1: Or were you just scattershotting out there to everybody that

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Speaker 1: might put you on.

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Speaker 3: No, sir, I had a list and you were on it,

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Speaker 3: and I did. I did do a little bit of

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Speaker 3: research prior before I gave I gave instructions to my

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Speaker 3: guy to reach out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, your site degree free dot com. The book you

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Speaker 2: can get wherever you buy books. It's called Degree Free

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Speaker 2: Way Workbook.

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Speaker 1: Parent What is your purpose here? What are you trying

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Speaker 1: to accomplish?

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Speaker 3: What I am trying to do is I am trying

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Speaker 3: to keep the next generation of Americans out of unnecessary

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Speaker 3: student loan debt, and I am trying to save them

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Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars in years of their lives

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Speaker 3: that they do not have to spend on a college

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Speaker 3: campus learning from people who have never done the things

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Speaker 3: that they are teaching them how to do.

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Speaker 1: And what got you interest? Did you have experience with

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Speaker 1: your in your own life or with your children with this?

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Speaker 3: I do so. I personally just finished working in AI

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Speaker 3: and machine learning for the past three and a half

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Speaker 3: almost four years, and I built a fairly successful tech

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Speaker 3: career where I out earned the media and PhD by

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Speaker 3: I would say probably about two hundred and fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: And I did that without buying a college degree myself.

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Speaker 3: And seeing what I saw when I was doing that

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Speaker 3: really helped me to understand how employers are hiring. And

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Speaker 3: then the disconnect and the amount of misinformation there is

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Speaker 3: around what parents think their kids have to do to

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Speaker 3: live the way they want to.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're a redhead. Did you know she's

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Speaker 1: a redhead. She doesn't sound like a redhead. What is

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Speaker 1: your maiden name?

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Speaker 2: O'Shaughnessy or I'm it's Shattck.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I am very Irish. My husband's the Hawaiian

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Speaker 3: Japanese one.

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Speaker 1: Well, Hawaiian Japanese is our executive producer, Chad Makanishi. So

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Speaker 1: you're in good company. I'm looking at you at your house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's thicker than Chad, but I think Chad

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Speaker 2: could take him because Chad fights every day. And what

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Speaker 2: what is mister box What is mister he's a boxer?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I was asking if Chad was a boxer.

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Speaker 2: No, he's really more a ground game guy. Although if

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Speaker 2: I brag on him at this point, he says, I'm

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Speaker 2: not any good anymore. But he's got the cauliflower ears.

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Speaker 2: He trains every day, but he can't strike anymore because

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Speaker 2: his shoulder is destroyed and he doesn't want to have

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Speaker 2: middle of the day, so we work like two shit.

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Speaker 2: He gets in insanely early. He gets up and works

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Speaker 2: four or four thirty, who knows, nobody's here yet.

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Speaker 1: And he preps all the.

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Speaker 2: Way up till eleven thirty, leaves, goes and trains, and

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Speaker 2: then comes back at two and then he's here for

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Speaker 2: who knows however many hours, like he works a graveyard

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Speaker 2: she have compared to the rest of us, because it's

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Speaker 2: all he has to get his training in. So what

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Speaker 2: does mister Maruyama do.

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Speaker 3: Mister Mariyama runs all of the other side of the business,

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Speaker 3: so that all I get to do is talk about

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Speaker 3: the problems that I see, the solutions that we can make,

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Speaker 3: and then work with the young adults. And so he

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Speaker 3: does all the boring back of the house stuff for

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Speaker 3: the business so I can do all the fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I looked y'all up, and it says, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how old you are now, but y'all were twenty

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Speaker 2: nine and twenty six at the time, and you were

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Speaker 2: living in Honolulu. I'm assuming that's where he's from. Chad's

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Speaker 2: from the Big Island by the way. And then and

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Speaker 2: you're from Montgomery. Y'all decided to come back here.

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Speaker 3: So I'm actually not from Montgomery myself, my husband, and

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Speaker 3: my husband is from Hawaii. He his entire family is

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Speaker 3: from there. I lived there when my dad was in

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Speaker 3: the military, and that's actually how we ended up meeting.

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Speaker 3: But we moved to Montgomery during COVID because I got

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Speaker 3: pretty crazy during the lockdowns, and so we decided that

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Speaker 3: that was not a fit for our family and the

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Speaker 3: live our lives, and so we came here. We picked

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Speaker 3: it off a spreadsheet, We did a bunch of research

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Speaker 3: about places that were good to live, and this is

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Speaker 3: for four years and we love it.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's in Montgomery from Hawaii because they found people were

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Speaker 2: in Montgomery because they got a job, their family lived there,

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Speaker 2: and they they're there and they like it. But nobody

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Speaker 2: looks at the mountain says, well, I guess we'll end

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Speaker 2: up in Montgomery, Texas.

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Speaker 1: That is nuts.

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Speaker 3: We did Okay, it was top of the list. It

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Speaker 3: was top of the Excel sheet.

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Speaker 1: Did you go to college?

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Speaker 3: I did not I'm degree free, so I guess technically

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Speaker 3: I did like how you.

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Speaker 1: Make it sound like it's a disease. I'm degree free.

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Speaker 1: I'm safe.

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Speaker 3: Well have you have you? If you've met a recent

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Speaker 3: college graduate, you know it is a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: you know, I went for about I actually got into

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Speaker 3: where I grew up in Savannah, Georgia, because my dad

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Speaker 3: and I ended up fully dual enrolled. And then my

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Speaker 3: experience in college was that I did not do well

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Speaker 3: because I ask why too often, and my professors were

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Speaker 3: not interested in people that ask why and don't adhere

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Speaker 3: to the orthodoxy that's present on campus. And because of that,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't. I think that the way that I thought,

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Speaker 3: to be so anti intellectual when I went on a

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is Hannah Mariyama. The website is degree free.

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Speaker 2: I was poking around on it during the break. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot there and you can learn a lot about her.

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Speaker 2: And then she's got books. There's a one on one.

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Speaker 1: You can do with her. And yes it will cost money.

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Speaker 2: I know people, nobody has a problem paying for some things,

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Speaker 2: but they don't want to pay for other things. To're

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Speaker 2: crazy thing that legal work is the funniest one for me, Hannah. People, Hey,

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Speaker 2: of what you're willing to pay? Well, I don't need

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Speaker 2: to hire me, and I just wanted to look it over.

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Speaker 2: But you understand they're looking it over because they spend

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Speaker 2: all this money to go to law school. Lawyering is

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Speaker 2: the one thing people think they ought to get for free,

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Speaker 2: Like they want to walk right up to the edge

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Speaker 2: of what when they'll ever have to spend a dollar

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Speaker 2: but never have to pay for it. Nobody says I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go to the dentist. He can clean about half

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Speaker 1: Just half it.

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Speaker 2: And when it's not free anymore, let me know and

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Speaker 2: I'll get up and run out it's the weirdest thing anyway.

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Speaker 2: I like what you're doing here, Hannah. What are some

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Speaker 2: the ten cool careers teens can land without a degree.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what kind of careers we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's not all digging ditches.

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Speaker 3: No, it's definitely not, Michael, And that's actually one of

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Speaker 3: the things that while I do appreciate a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of the people who do talk about this,

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Speaker 3: people who have done a lot of work raising awareness

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Speaker 3: about the trades, people like micro and that comes to

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Speaker 3: mind where he frequently talks about this. But the thing

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Speaker 3: for me that stands out is a lot of kids

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Speaker 3: already know about the trades. They can see the trades,

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Speaker 3: they already know about jobs they can see. One of

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Speaker 3: the things that we found when we work with young

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Speaker 3: They only really can name about six to eight jobs,

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Speaker 3: sometimes twelve on the high end, but they're all jobs

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Speaker 3: you can see. There's a reason they all want to

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Speaker 3: be cops, firefighters, teachers, doctors, nurses. And then every girl

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Speaker 3: a psychologist. And I think it's because a lot of

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Speaker 3: the teachers just wish they had become psychologists.

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Speaker 1: Well, and because these they're all going to therapy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, So it's it's something they can see.

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Speaker 3: And so one of the things that's such a rub

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Speaker 3: know about the trades. The problem is that now everybody

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Speaker 3: wants to go into the trades. And there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 3: with that. And so Ryan, my husband, was a firefighter.

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Speaker 3: Actually he has an economics degree that he didn't use

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Speaker 3: and then he became a firefighter later in life. My

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Speaker 3: own youngest sister is actually a structural welder at a

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Speaker 3: steel company. She currently works on rocket chips. She makes

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Speaker 3: more than a master's degree. Holders it's very she's the

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Speaker 3: only it is hot, and she's also the only girl

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean in terms of you know, it's

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Speaker 2: the most when people start their one on one training.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you can have one on one training

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Speaker 2: with her, or you can.

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Speaker 1: Buy the book, or there are workshops and workbooks and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's all at degree free dot com. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying don't go to college, folks. I'm saying, just explore

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Speaker 2: your options, plan your life. Don't be blown about by

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Speaker 2: the winds. Okay, what are the low hanging fruit, Hannah.

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Speaker 3: So low hanging fruit? Well, there's a few things that

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Speaker 3: parents need to know, I think, and that's parents are

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Speaker 3: the biggest drivers of whether or not they're kids buy

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Speaker 3: college degrees, but a lot of parents just don't have

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Speaker 3: the right information. They think their kids can only get

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Speaker 3: good jobs if they go to college. But really that's

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Speaker 3: just not the reality of it anymore. The market right

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Speaker 3: now shows that a zippercruiter's quarterly reports came out fourteen

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Speaker 3: point five percent of job listings mentioned college degrees at all,

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Speaker 3: and then on indeed it's eighteen percent, so it's a

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Speaker 3: less than one in five that even say a college

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Speaker 3: degree is preferred. We actually went through the Bureau of

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Speaker 3: Labor Statistics and we counted and found that only seven

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Speaker 3: point seven percent of jobs in our entire country actually

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Speaker 3: legally require the purchase of a college degree to get. Interestingly,

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Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania, he removed degree requirements from

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Speaker 3: all state jobs that weren't necessary. There's i think twenty

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Speaker 3: four states that have done this so far in the

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Speaker 3: last two years. But when he did that, it mirrored

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Speaker 3: our data and it freed up ninety two percent of

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Speaker 3: the state jobs in Pennsylvania. So almost a direct you know,

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Speaker 3: directly related to our data, which is ninety two point

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Speaker 3: three percent of jobs don't require degrees. So it's just staggering.

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Speaker 3: A lot of parents just think, oh, this is the

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Speaker 3: only way for my child to be successful. It's the

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Speaker 3: only way for them to get a spouse. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you've heard that. Actually, Michael, how how many people do

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Speaker 3: you think meet their spouse on a college campus these days?

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Speaker 3: I have a good one for you.

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Speaker 2: For people who go to If you don't go to college,

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Speaker 2: you can't meet your spouse there. But let's say for

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Speaker 2: people who go to college, I'll best fifty.

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Speaker 1: Eight percent meet the person while they're at college.

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Speaker 3: Point seven four percent of people meet their spouse on

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Speaker 3: a college campus.

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Speaker 1: R Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so even just going to just god, wow, that

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Speaker 2: is very interesting, very you know, there's so much. I

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Speaker 2: have so many friends that are big ut families or

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Speaker 2: big Texas A and M families, or big Alabama family

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Speaker 2: I talked to one of my dogs yesterday and his

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Speaker 2: daughter's graduating from Auburn, so I sent him war Eagle

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Speaker 2: and they're so proud. And families invest in the image,

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Speaker 2: you know. I know people that the most important thing

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Speaker 2: they want you to know about them is they went

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Speaker 2: to UT or they went to A and M. And

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Speaker 2: they're seventy five, right, And it's their identity, the way

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Speaker 2: somebody's a Vietnam bet, that's their identity. I'm an aggie

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Speaker 2: and you go, okay, well that's great. But I think

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Speaker 2: that people see that and they take from it the

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Speaker 2: wrong thing.

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Speaker 3: I would agree with that, and I completely see why

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Speaker 3: people do. It's because it's such an emotional purchase for them. Right,

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Speaker 3: they're spending so much money so early in their life,

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Speaker 3: or their families are and nowadays, I mean the goal,

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Speaker 3: and this is the thing we all should be asking,

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Speaker 3: is why is there so much pressure on high schoolers

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Speaker 3: to do this? This is the only kind of debt

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Speaker 3: that is bankruptcy exempt, and it is bankruptcy exempt specifically

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Speaker 3: for seventeen and eighteen year old kids whose parents are

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Speaker 3: co signing on these loans. Why in the world is

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Speaker 3: there so much pressure on these kids to do this

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Speaker 3: so young. College is not going anywhere. Colleges are businesses,

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Speaker 3: they're hedge funds. They're always going to take your money.

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Speaker 3: They was going to take your kids money because it's

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Speaker 3: bankruptcy ex In debt, it's six figures on average, Like,

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Speaker 3: why don't you wait until your child's twenty five because

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Speaker 3: you might be able to cover the whole cost of

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Speaker 3: their degree if they actually need it at that point,

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Speaker 3: because no longer will your income be determining how much

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Speaker 3: your child's getting charged, because they're not trying to reach

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Speaker 3: through your child to get you. The largest group right

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Speaker 3: now that's taken out student loans is actually grandparents because

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Speaker 3: they've tapped the parents out. The parents have their own

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Speaker 3: student loans, and now they're going to the grandparents to

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Speaker 3: get them to take out loans. And now you're threatening homes,

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Speaker 3: you know, pensions, all kinds of different things because of

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Speaker 3: the amount of debt panner and and they're not questioning value.

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Speaker 2: How's your kid going to be a sigma co if

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Speaker 2: they're not in college?

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Speaker 3: You know what? You know what, Michael, I'll say you

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Speaker 3: my my middle sister, she was actually in the military,

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Speaker 3: because there's no my family didn't have the money to

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Speaker 3: pay for four kids to go to college. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was paying my own way when I did go

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Speaker 3: before I broke out. But my youngest, my middle s

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Speaker 3: not the welder, but the other one was actually an

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Speaker 3: officer in the military. She still has student loans she's

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Speaker 3: paying off even though she had rot you know, she

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Speaker 3: went ROTC. But just you know, taking on loans to

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Speaker 3: live the life, to live the college life that you

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Speaker 3: haven't earned yet. And so many kids get caught up

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Speaker 3: in that and parents are the ones that are on

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Speaker 3: the hook for it. But the parents are the ones

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Speaker 3: that told them they had to go in the first place,

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Speaker 3: and so they can avoid that. And it's not you

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Speaker 3: don't go, just don't go until you actually need to

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Speaker 3: or until you're sure what you're doing, because so many

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Speaker 3: of these kids have no idea what's out there. And

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Speaker 3: that's that's the biggest thing we've found. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of sales. I think that all

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Speaker 3: kids should go into into sales. I think that if

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Speaker 3: you're looking for how can you equip your child now

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Speaker 3: for the future of work. And because I just came

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Speaker 3: from AI, one thing I tell parents is there's three

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Speaker 3: big things you can do. One thing is Postmasters or

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Speaker 3: local small business Chamber of Commerce. Amazing everybody has access

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Speaker 3: to those things. Find those groups. It doesn't matter how

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Speaker 3: small of the town that you live in. I know

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Speaker 3: there's one of Montgomery. I don't it's a small town,

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Speaker 3: but there's Toastmasters. Go take your kids and teach them

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Speaker 3: how to public speak if you want them to be

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Speaker 3: able to conquer the world, because these kids cannot a

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Speaker 3: lot of them. They can't look people in the eye,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, just they can't look people in

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Speaker 3: the eye. They can't speak. And all your child has

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Speaker 3: to be able to do is do that and let

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Speaker 3: them use AI tools heavily, because colleges are punishing them

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Speaker 3: for doing that right now. And it's like watching somebody

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Speaker 3: pay somebody one hundred thousand dollars to kick them in

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Speaker 3: the knees before they have to go run a marathon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, glad you said. I'm I didn't think you were

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Speaker 1: going to say knees. And I love what you've done.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm from Savannah, so I love.

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Speaker 1: What you've done.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And in the midst of it, not lost on me

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Speaker 2: is you have done exactly what you're teaching other people

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Speaker 2: to do. You have you and Ryan have created a business,

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Speaker 2: right and you've you've used technology. You're obviously the face

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Speaker 2: of the company. You're a great communicator, you're you're you're

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Speaker 2: good at this.

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Speaker 1: You're good online.

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Speaker 2: And so in the midst of all this, here is

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Speaker 2: yet another business that is being created, and some people

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Speaker 2: are uncomfortable with that, you know. I like to talk

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Speaker 2: about making money and how we make money, and how

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Speaker 2: much money you want to make, and how you want

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Speaker 2: to live and what you want to do with that

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Speaker 2: money and all the fun you can have and things

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Speaker 2: you but love.

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Speaker 1: I love that you have set this up, that y'all

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Speaker 1: have created this.

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Speaker 2: Life, that you find a spot on the map based

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Speaker 2: on all the factors you want.

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Speaker 1: You know, low cost of living.

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Speaker 2: Close to an airport, you know, all the things that

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Speaker 2: probably went for you, low crime rates. It's how you

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Speaker 2: want to live. And it's even beyond your career. It's

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Speaker 2: a question of what kind of life do you want

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Speaker 2: to live? What kind of person do you want to marry?

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Speaker 2: Whoever shows up next to you at the bar and

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Speaker 2: you sleep with and you wake up the next morning

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Speaker 2: why not? Or somebody that shares your values that you

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Speaker 2: would want to go on a road trip with, what

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Speaker 2: you want to do for a career, where you want

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Speaker 2: to live.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Hannah. We should have you back. You're wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Tell Ryan thanks for sharing you with us for has

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Speaker 1: it been an hour? Wow? Whole hour?

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