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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 2: dot com, Apple podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian Podcast. That's so guy,

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian, Oh god, you're your hosts, John Anick and

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: I love the NBA, but I hope you were not

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Speaker 6: watching basketball on Saturday night. It is episode one eighty

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Speaker 6: three of the Anakin Floran Podcast, tenth of December twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 6: Ken Flows back in studio, How is DC? With Ryan Halkid.

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Speaker 1: DC was awesome. It was cold, It was definitely cold,

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Speaker 1: but Ryan is looking sharp. I can't wait for him

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Speaker 1: to compete against bj pen Man. It's uh, those are

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Speaker 1: two jiu jitsu legends going at it. Who knows if

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Speaker 1: it's going to go to the ground, if it does.

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Speaker 1: I think we have quite a treat and if they

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Speaker 1: stand up. I tell you what. Ryan has improved immensely

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Speaker 1: since the last time we saw him in the octagon,

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for him, and I actually will be

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Speaker 1: cornering him for that fight. The first time I've cornered

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Speaker 1: a fighter in a very long time, so it will

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Speaker 1: be interesting to be back at the octagon.

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Speaker 6: No, that's exciting. I was told that this weekend. I

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Speaker 6: was like, nice of Ken Flow to let me know

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Speaker 6: on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I was waiting for approving. I was waiting on approval.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And so you're going to host the pre

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Speaker 6: fight show and then you're going to hustle down to

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Speaker 6: corner Ryan Hall, which is going to be a crazy

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Speaker 6: transition for you, but I think you can handle it.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's interesting because and I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: lead the show with this necessarily, but the Ryan Hall

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Speaker 6: Bjpen matchup. A lot of people sort of are are

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Speaker 6: knocking BJ Penn for continuing his career at this point,

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Speaker 6: some times some people suggesting that the UFC is giving

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Speaker 6: him the Ryan Hall matchup because they think it's not

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Speaker 6: someone who can shut his lights off necessarily, but it

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Speaker 6: could play out as sort of a grappler's delight. But dude,

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Speaker 6: Ryan Hall can kick man, you know. I mean, what's

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Speaker 6: to stop him from kicking Bjpenn in the head?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: He can?

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Speaker 1: And he's got a lot of new tricks up his sleeve,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see those executed in the octagon.

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Speaker 1: And you can't count out a guy like BJ Penn,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think he has committed to his training.

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Speaker 1: He's been training exclusively down in Brazil for a very

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Speaker 1: long time, training with those savages down at Novu Nyao,

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Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna have some new tricks up

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Speaker 1: his sleeve as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, it'll be exciting, and I'll be excited to see

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Speaker 6: the embrace between Ken Flow and Bjpen after the fact.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully BJ's not too upset that his buddy Ken Flows

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Speaker 6: in the other corner. But what a weekend it was

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Speaker 6: in Toronto. We're gonna recap it with Jordan Breen coming

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Speaker 6: up here in about a half an hour. Ray Longo

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Speaker 6: is going to be on, of course, because he corners

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Speaker 6: Raging Ally Quinta and that Milwaukee Made event coming up

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Speaker 6: this weekend.

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Speaker 3: But we will lead the.

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Speaker 6: Show with the blessed Express, which is just taking people

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Speaker 6: out left and right. Max Holloway Man, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I know I get criticized and others due for speaking

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Speaker 6: in absolutes and with too many superlatives after a performance

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Speaker 6: like this, but this dude is next level.

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Speaker 6: Thirteen consecutive UFC wins looks like a guy who very

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Speaker 6: much could break Anderson Silva's record of sixteen consecutive wins.

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Speaker 6: Second official undisputed title defense here against Brian Ortega gets

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Speaker 6: the TKO doctor stoppage at the end of round four,

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Speaker 6: and Ortega did have some moments in the third round.

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Speaker 6: I think he did win that round ten to nine,

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Speaker 6: but this was all Max Blessed Holloway And you know,

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Speaker 6: people must have forgot man. He hadn't fought in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 6: and he reminded everybody that not only is he the

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Speaker 1: Well, John, I would agree with you that it is

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Speaker 1: hard to talk in absolutes when you're talking about greatest

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Speaker 1: hard to deny Max Holloway of that title because listen,

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Speaker 1: he has beaten Jose Aldo by finish and I think

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Speaker 1: But he has competed at one hundred and forty five

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Speaker 1: was the greatest featherweight of all time in Jose Aldo, twice.

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Speaker 1: So what Max Holloway has accomplished here in the UFC

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Speaker 1: and the way that he has done it is just astonishing.

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Speaker 1: He completely outclassed Brian Ortega. Ortega just couldn't get really

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Speaker 1: land some hail Mary shots. But man, Max Holloway, the

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Speaker 1: Ortega is a guy who has been undefeated. He has

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Speaker 1: and the fact that Max Holloway is head and shoulders

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Speaker 6: Yeah, as we sit here in twenty eighteen, he is

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Speaker 6: you're right that there was sort of sort of a

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Speaker 6: hail Mary quality to some of those third round lands

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Speaker 6: for T City and we all respect that, and thankfully

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Speaker 6: the doctor did with the corner James Lursen and Hener

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Speaker 6: Gracie perhaps were unwilling to do and stop the fight

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Speaker 6: after the fourth round so that Brian Ortega didn't absorb

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Speaker 6: any further damage. You know, as Dana White said, that

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Speaker 6: fifth round wouldn't have been good for him health wise

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Speaker 6: in terms of career trajectory, and the fourth round wasn't

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Speaker 3: But you're right, man.

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Speaker 6: For Max Holloway on the feet, I mean, he just

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Speaker 6: treats this like a sporing session, you know. I mean

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Speaker 6: because it's almost like Max Holloway just knows what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 6: went out and did just that, right, did everything humanly

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's one thing to be world class and completely dominate

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Speaker 3: No, and listen.

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Speaker 1: And this is also where Max Holloway needs to be

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Speaker 1: careful because the very thing I think that makes us

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Speaker 1: So he has to be careful playing, you know, the

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Speaker 1: sure I agree with Joe Rogan that Max Holloway wasn't

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Speaker 1: he's a fantastic fighter and too Brian Ortega. You know,

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Speaker 1: The bad news is is that his striking needs a

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Speaker 1: news is he has championship heart, and that stuff just

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Speaker 1: just amazing because that's the kind of stuff that I

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Speaker 1: know what, I just can't I can't teach that kind

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Speaker 1: The kind of heart that he showed in that fight

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with the stoppage. They should have done that.

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Speaker 1: It was not going to get better for him. That's

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be hesitant in other fights

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Speaker 1: going forward. He just he's a fighter, man, Yeah, But

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Speaker 3: Man, does he have a high threshold for pain though?

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Speaker 6: I mean Max is hitting him with legitimate power shots

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Speaker 6: literally didn't show any signs of being hurt until it

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Speaker 6: of good things, you know. When I was studying for

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Speaker 6: this fight, what jumped off the page was Max Holloway's

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Speaker 6: plus strike differential and just off the chart striking differential

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Speaker 6: and the fact that Brian Ortega had a negative strike

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Speaker 6: we knew going in that those numbers were really pronounced right.

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Speaker 6: And I was hearing from people all week.

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Speaker 3: What am I missing? Why is Max Holloway an underdog?

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Speaker 6: And yes, he's a slight underdog, right it was even

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Speaker 6: money plus one oh five, So we'll just get that

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Speaker 6: out there, slightest of underdogs. But he closed as the

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Speaker 6: underdog with a twelve fight winning streak in tow and

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Speaker 6: a lot was made of his answers to questions Kenny

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Speaker 6: and I thought, at least this time around, way too

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Speaker 6: much was made of that by Betters or everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I didn't think that.

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Speaker 6: I thought there was just a lot of value on

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Speaker 6: Max Holloway going in there for Betters when he was

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Speaker 6: in that even money plus one oh five range. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: we'll see what where t City goes as far as

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Speaker 6: where Max Holloway goes. Kenny, we threw out the poll

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Speaker 6: question at Annik Florian pod got about four thousand votes

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Speaker 6: before he came on. I threw out Connor McGregor, gob

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo minutes, and I'm.

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Speaker 5: That's what I want with.

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Speaker 4: The Ray Longo minute. During Ray long the John Nick

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Speaker 5: The greatest John don't know, I'm living maybe.

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Speaker 5: I picked?

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of our listeners flow are fading

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Speaker 8: Wait first, let me let me defend. Let me let

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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: he's throwing a lot of accommodations, but he can move

436
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Speaker 1: his feet, he can keep his hands up, he can

437
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Speaker 1: move his head. And Brian's been getting hit with some

438
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Speaker 1: big shot. This is the first he was outstruck by

439
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Speaker 1: Clay Guina Clay Guena from a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

441
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he came back to win the fight. Brian's

442
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Speaker 1: heart is leading the way for a lot of his wins,

443
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Speaker 1: and that's you know what I mean that that's the

444
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Speaker 1: only thing. And yeah, I hate doing that too, because

445
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Speaker 1: you know, I made millions of mistakes as a fighter,

446
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Speaker 1: and I don't know everything.

447
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Speaker 3: That's for damn sure. But for me, I just think

448
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Speaker 3: if Brian wants.

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Speaker 1: To get back to the top, but I think he

450
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Speaker 1: just needs a different look, I really do, or.

451
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Speaker 8: At least maybe just talk to somebody different, maybe a

452
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Speaker 8: different strategy. But it doesn't mean I mean Halloway. Halloway's

453
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 8: kind of done this to everybody, you know what I mean?

454
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Speaker 8: He's he's hitting guys that you know, you can't say

455
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Speaker 8: Jose Aldo's coach was no good because he got hammed.

456
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Speaker 5: And who else did this guy have, you know, I mean,

457
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Speaker 5: it's he's good. And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 8: The surprise for me was that he was healthy, which

459
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Speaker 8: we I think that was the question was, you know,

460
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Speaker 8: can he come back from all we've heard?

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean, like he's slurring his speech,

462
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Speaker 5: he doesn't know where he's at. So he proved. He

463
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Speaker 5: proved everybody wrong.

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Speaker 8: He looked great, phenomenal fight and I'm just happy he's healthy.

465
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Speaker 8: I really am, because I I love watching the guy fight.

466
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Speaker 8: I was worried about him and I kind of picked

467
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Speaker 8: based on what I've heard in the past. But he

468
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Speaker 8: was phenomenal, phenomenal.

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Speaker 6: I do think that the betting line was moved or

470
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Speaker 6: where it was because a lot of people subscribe to

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Speaker 6: that line of thinking. Ray right, that Max Holloway wasn't healthy.

472
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Speaker 6: And you know, even though much was made of Kenny

473
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Speaker 6: and Michael Bisping's interview with him on UFC tonight, you know,

474
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Speaker 6: I think you can argue too. I mean, this is

475
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Speaker 6: just one h'll chill Hawaiian in a lot of respects,

476
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Speaker 6: even though Kenny, I know when you and Mike talk

477
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Speaker 6: to him, obviously he wasn't in the place he was

478
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Speaker 6: in during this past fight week. But you know, he's

479
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Speaker 6: never been, you know, the most verbose guy, at least

480
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Speaker 6: in terms of giving you these long winded, thoughtful answers,

481
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Speaker 6: you know. And I just thought that a lot of

482
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Speaker 6: people were taking a great leap of a guy who

483
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Speaker 6: was a two to one favor for the first meeting

484
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Speaker 6: and now all of a sudden he's plus money. Didn't

485
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Speaker 6: make a lot of sense to the sharp betters out

486
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Speaker 6: there at the very least.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I've seen some weird stuff in my life.

488
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Speaker 8: I had a guy that you guys know, I'll leave

489
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Speaker 8: his name out of it for now, but he walked

490
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Speaker 8: into a practice session with a dog in a cage,

491
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Speaker 8: and when he was leaving, he's fought, he didn't get

492
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Speaker 8: knocked down, nothing goods far. And when he was leaving,

493
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Speaker 8: I said, you you forgot the dog. He told me

494
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Speaker 8: I didn't bring a door. He told it literally. He

495
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 8: can't make this stuff up. I mean, we had to

496
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Speaker 8: get him to to the hospital. The guy was divorced.

497
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 8: He thought he was still married. I mean, and now

498
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Speaker 8: way after that, Kenny, that was the last of it,

499
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Speaker 8: ten years later. Not a sign of anything. Guy, Literally,

500
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Speaker 8: Kenny goes, I didn't bring a door again.

501
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Speaker 5: I don't even have it. I mean, it was absolutely bizarre.

502
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Speaker 3: Wow.

503
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Speaker 5: And the guy's and the guy's perfect today.

504
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Speaker 3: That's good news.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about some other good news, man,

506
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Speaker 1: your guy Aliaquinta, who has a fight coming up?

507
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Speaker 3: Man, how's he doing?

508
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Speaker 1: And uh, how's the camp gone against Kevin Lee?

509
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Speaker 8: But you might understand, am I to understand that the

510
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Speaker 8: lasagna been is over?

511
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Speaker 3: We'll get back for Harry.

512
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Speaker 4: Got it?

513
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Speaker 3: Like the Lasagnia?

514
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Speaker 5: What's the gem.

515
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Speaker 8: Let's move on to the fight. I'm sorry, I'll tell

516
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Speaker 8: you what I was leaving today. I was with him

517
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Speaker 8: last night, very very excited for this fight.

518
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Speaker 5: Man.

519
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 8: He's on point, and uh, man, it's gonna be a

520
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 8: great fight. And I think the Holloway or Pega fight

521
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 8: had to am both guys up, you know what I mean.

522
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Speaker 5: I think that was one of those fights where.

523
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Speaker 8: Mike Heart was coming out of my test and I

524
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Speaker 8: just just wanted to get to.

525
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Speaker 5: Milwaukee myself, you know.

526
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Now, I'm sure.

527
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Speaker 8: Very motivating and I had a great night last night,

528
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Speaker 8: and he had a great weekend, great week.

529
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Speaker 5: Everything that's awesome, good, really good good stuff. You're gonna see.

530
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Speaker 5: You're gonna see a guy possessed.

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Speaker 6: So, as many of our listeners know, you are the

532
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Speaker 6: star of this podcast. You have been on since episode

533
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Speaker 6: one every single week as we wanted as our coach,

534
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 6: who would be a weekly staple on this show. But

535
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Speaker 6: I have to, if I'm being honest, say that when

536
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 6: your guys fight, you give us fucking nothing.

537
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Speaker 3: Man, right, I know you want.

538
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Speaker 6: To keep it close to the vest, but like I

539
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 6: don't even I just crossed off my next question because

540
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Speaker 6: I know you're not gonna fucking answer it, right, So

541
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Speaker 6: I'll just tell Kevin Lee's is three twenty aliquentes plus

542
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 6: two forty.

543
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Speaker 3: I'm not asking for your game, very.

544
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Speaker 5: I'm very surprised at that.

545
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Does that help you, mister secret squirrel over there?

546
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: Tell us something? Will you? Yeah?

547
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 5: No?

548
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: And I'm just I'm just shaving you.

549
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Speaker 8: Now here's the deal. You know, Like, Al's healthy, that's

550
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 8: all I mass. Sometimes I sometimes believe me. I do

551
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 8: an interview, I say a guy's healthy. The next two

552
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 8: days later, he's not helpy. Right, and then I just

553
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 8: I've learned. The less I've said, the better.

554
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but of course I am.

555
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Speaker 5: I'm really surprised at the odds.

556
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, and I'm not asking you for

557
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 6: your game plan because I know that's not going to

558
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 6: bear fruit, right, But I will talk to both Kevin

559
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Speaker 6: and Al by phone tomorrow. And even when I asked

560
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Speaker 6: the fighters what kind of fight they're expecting or what

561
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 6: fight they're expecting their opponent to bring to them that

562
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Speaker 6: we're going to save till the broadcast, a lot of

563
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 6: fighters still don't want to share the details. And I

564
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Speaker 6: respect you guys for it. So you are a little

565
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 6: bit surprised at how pronounced the betting odds are. It

566
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Speaker 6: doesn't seem like, uh, at least right now, anybody seems

567
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 6: to be placing a bet large enough to move it.

568
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Speaker 3: But very interesting, big weekend for you.

569
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Speaker 6: At least you're getting paid by the Anakin Florian podcast regardless.

570
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Speaker 3: So I look forward to seeing.

571
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Speaker 8: You and Milwaukee and down You have no idea how

572
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Speaker 8: excited I am to see you down there.

573
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see you, man.

574
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Speaker 6: It's been too long, and I think it's just a

575
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Speaker 6: great way to sort of usher out the Fox era

576
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 6: to have a fight like this that.

577
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Speaker 3: The fans are really excited for. So, uh, what are

578
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 3: you leaving?

579
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 8: Very upset about Fox leaving though, very very upset. So

580
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 8: many good people over there.

581
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 6: True, a lot a lot of people, not just our

582
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Speaker 6: Anakin Florian podcast staff, but everybody at Fox on the

583
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Speaker 6: television side that has devoted seven plus years of their life,

584
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Speaker 6: you know.

585
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Speaker 5: To this sport Jo phenomenal.

586
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll make sure to credit all those people on

587
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Speaker 6: our final Fox Sports episode, which is New Year's Eve,

588
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Speaker 6: December thirty.

589
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Speaker 3: First, when are you headed to Milwaukee? Ray?

590
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 5: Now, I'm leaving Thursday morning?

591
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 6: Okay, as am I hopefully I'll see at the airport. Buddy,

592
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Speaker 6: bundle up. It's even colder than New York.

593
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Speaker 5: I'll have my with the coat.

594
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Speaker 7: Man.

595
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Speaker 5: I'm thinking of Vince Lombardi in the sixties and some

596
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 5: of those games in the snow. Oh yeah, well, I'm

597
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 5: thinking Lombardy.

598
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: Lombardy. Yeah, there you go.

599
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 6: Vince Lombardy likes How about you the guy who hasn't

600
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 6: watched the NFL his own self. Impost Ban is dropping

601
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Speaker 6: Vince Lombardi on the Anaky Floring podcast.

602
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: I was watching back in nineteen seventy one. I can

603
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Speaker 5: guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing. You didn't watch the end of

605
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Speaker 1: the Patriots game.

606
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Speaker 5: Oh what do you think? What do you think Lombardy

607
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Speaker 5: would have did? What? Guys kneeling all over? What do

608
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 5: you think you would I slap him around exactly?

609
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, all right, man, we'll see in Milwaukee. I

610
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 6: know you got a haircut. You didn't get a lot

611
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Speaker 6: of it better than last week.

612
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: It's all right. I mean you need to get far

613
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: more little hair over the ears. You gotta trim around.

614
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you just it doesn't stop growing.

615
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: That's a good thing.

616
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Speaker 5: Ray, I know, I don't know what I got. I

617
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Speaker 5: gotta shave it all.

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00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 6: It's my hair right there there it is. Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 6: I say it travels man. We will see you in Wisconsin.

620
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: And watch that video a couple of more times. Go

621
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Speaker 5: to Instagram.

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00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah I will ay long goes cameo on Kevin? Can wait?

623
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: That still show? Is that show still going?

624
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 9: Right?

625
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 6: Not?

626
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 5: It canceled it? And what I was?

627
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Speaker 8: I really enjoyed it and shout out to Kevin. He's

628
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 8: a great guy. But really appreciate him putting me on.

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Speaker 8: He really and he helps helps all its friends. He

630
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Speaker 8: really does. You see white men moving on narrow bunches

631
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Speaker 8: shows and there's a million.

632
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Speaker 3: All right, best of luck to you, and now we'll

633
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: see in Milwaukee budget thanks a lot man there. He

634
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Speaker 3: is Ray long Ago.

635
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Speaker 6: Well as you saw this weekend, UFC Fatherway, Brian t

636
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Speaker 6: City or Tega about as tough as it gets.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely loves the fight, loves the strategy.

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Speaker 6: You know what else, he loves Toyo tires because, like Ortega,

639
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Speaker 6: Toyot tires are as tough as they come. And there

640
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Speaker 6: the official tire of the UFC. You know, there's a

641
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Speaker 6: and they've got the toughness to back up that claim.

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Speaker 6: There's just the confidence that comes with tough tires. So

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Speaker 6: no matter what you're driving, no matter where you're driving,

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Speaker 6: you can count on Toyo tires.

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Speaker 3: And of course they look great as well.

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Speaker 6: They are the choice of so many fighters up and

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Speaker 6: down this UFC roster. Tough people love tough tires, and

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Speaker 6: Toyot tires have been proven time and time again. So

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Speaker 6: so might as well hit on the featherweight greatest of

656
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Speaker 6: all time stuff here and then give Valentina, Chefchanko and

657
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Speaker 6: everybody else their due can flow so in terms of

658
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 6: the greatest featherweight of all time, Connor McGregor's fans always

659
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: seem to be the loudest in this argument because there

660
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 6: are the most of them. And I respect the argument

661
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Speaker 6: that Connor McGregor is the greatest featherweight of all time.

662
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Speaker 3: I respect that opinion.

663
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Speaker 6: He has wins over Dustin Poorier, a winover Max Holloway,

664
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Speaker 6: a win over Jose Al though. But when I look

665
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 6: at body of work resumes for Max Holloway and Connor McGregor,

666
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Speaker 6: and I don't think Jose Aldo necessarily well, there's an

667
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 6: argument to be made for jose as well, But if

668
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 6: the argument is Holloway or Tega, excuse me. If the

669
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Speaker 6: argument is Hallowa McGregor, as it was for many this weekend.

670
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Speaker 6: When I look at what Max has done this thirteen

671
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Speaker 6: fight winning streak, now, the two undisputed title defenses, the

672
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 6: nature of the two wins versus Jose Aldo, which to

673
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 6: me seem more impressive now than the thirteen second knockout,

674
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Speaker 6: In all due respect the Anthony Pettis fight mixed in there.

675
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Speaker 6: I just feel like Holloway's case is building. And when

676
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Speaker 6: you look at the UFC record books, not just at featherweight,

677
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: but across the board in terms of strikes and finishes

678
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 6: and everything else, Max Holloway is all over the UFC

679
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 6: record books, winning is featherweight, most finishes, active, thirteen fight

680
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Speaker 6: winning streak.

681
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Speaker 3: It's just too much.

682
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Speaker 6: And as I sit here today, maybe I got caught

683
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Speaker 6: up in the moment, but as I sit here today, Monday,

684
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 6: December tenth, twenty eighteen, I think I am looking at

685
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 6: the greatest UFC featherweight champ of all time.

686
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Listen, it's hard to argue that, I think for Max Holloway. Yeah,

687
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the big question.

688
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: Right.

689
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Speaker 1: What's more impressive is it Connor McGregor's thirteen second knockout

690
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Speaker 1: being the first guy to recognize the vulnerability in Josie

691
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: Alder to the counter shot or is it Max Holloway

692
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Speaker 1: defeating him not once but twice by finish in the

693
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Speaker 1: third round. I would probably be leaning towards Max Holloway.

694
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Speaker 1: I think there's tremendous value in recognizing or being the

695
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: first person to beat that guy who was thought to

696
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: be unbeatable. But I think there's only one way to

697
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: find out, and that's to run it back and listen.

698
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Speaker 1: I think Jose Aldo Jose Aldo Connor McGregor rematch would

699
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: be interesting in one hundred and fifty five pounds as well,

700
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Speaker 1: because I think for a lot of people we've talked

701
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Speaker 1: about this, did we really see that fight? Did we

702
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Speaker 1: really see that Jose Aldo Connor McGregor fight? Thirteen seconds

703
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot of time. One shot and it

704
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: was over. But yeah, I think it's interesting. You look

705
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: at Max Holloway, how many times he's fought at one

706
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five four hundred and forty five pounds

707
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Speaker 1: as well. I think that is extremely impressive. He's just

708
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: as big as Connor McGregor, if not bigger. I mean

709
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: he's taller than him. He does have a big frame,

710
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: he does cut a lot of weight, as does Connor McGregor,

711
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's remained that consistent against that

712
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of competition is nothing short of amazing.

713
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Speaker 6: And I also feel like there's a comparison to be

714
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Speaker 6: drawn between the modern day UFC and even the WEC

715
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 6: days to the NFL and the salary cap era. Right

716
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: like Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL head coach of

717
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 6: all time because he's doing this with restrictions that Bill

718
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 6: Walsh of the San Francisco forty nine ers and other

719
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Speaker 6: coaches in the past didn't have.

720
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Speaker 3: It's a different era.

721
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Speaker 6: And to me, you know, when I think about two

722
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 6: thousand and eight versus twenty eighteen, with every bit of

723
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 6: respect in the world to Jose Aldough, what Max Holloway

724
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: is doing against these world beaters in an era in

725
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 6: which we've never had more talented UFC champions across the board,

726
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 6: I just think the pendulum for me swings toward him. Obviously,

727
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 6: Max Holloway and Connor McGregor don't have wins over Frankie Edgar.

728
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 6: Jose Aldo has a couple of those, and pretty decisive

729
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: ones at that, So that's a feather in Jose's cap

730
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 6: and again, it's a three man argument. They all have

731
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 6: their merits, but man, what Max Holloway has put on

732
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 6: paper is absolutely incredible. And not only is he not

733
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 6: showing any signs of slowing down, but he's showing the

734
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Speaker 6: part of an all time great type fighter and a

735
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 6: guy who can be a two division champion maybe at

736
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Speaker 6: the same time.

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Speaker 1: And John, I would say, just to add to that,

738
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Speaker 1: I think, if you're the UFC, your two most exciting

739
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: champions right now, in my opinion, is Max Holloway and TJ.

740
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Speaker 3: Dilshaw.

741
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, those are the guys that are not only

742
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: winning but bringing unbelievable action to the octagon.

743
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 6: And I gotta say too, just because I made the

744
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 6: point about our champions. Our coordinating producer Zach Candido brought

745
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: a point to my attention after Max Holloway won the fight, Kenny,

746
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 6: think about the champions right, like there's not a for

747
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 6: lack of a better word, bad champion among them. Like

748
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 6: we have like when you go down Daniel Cormier right

749
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 6: to Robert Whitaker, to Tyron Woodley, to Jabibnrmago Medov to

750
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Speaker 6: Max Holloway, TJ. Dillashaw, Henry Sahudo, Ros Nama Yunis, Valentina Shevchenko,

751
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 6: now Amanda Nunaz, Chris Cyborg. Hope I didn't forget someone.

752
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 6: I mean, would you look at that the UFC champions

753
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: to a man or a woman. These divisions have never

754
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 6: been stronger. So when we talk about fighters being the

755
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 6: greatest of all time more than you'd like us to,

756
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 6: part of it is because about where the sport is

757
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 6: right now and just how talented the top of those

758
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 6: divisions are. I think we all feel good for Valentina

759
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 6: Chevchenko breaking through as she spoils the UFC flyweight debut

760
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Speaker 6: of Joanna Young Jcheck and becomes a UFC champion for

761
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 6: the first time. This belt was vacant. It is vacant,

762
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Speaker 6: no more domination from Chevchenko. Four rounds to one, according

763
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Speaker 6: to all three judges flow. That is how I had

764
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Speaker 6: it as well, even though I thought maybe there were

765
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Speaker 6: there was one other round that maybe Yoanna had that

766
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: was pretty close. But I had it four to one

767
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 6: for Valentina Shevchenko and for a lifelong martial artist like

768
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 6: this can who as a coach who was mixing martial

769
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 6: arts in two thousand and two when nobody thought it

770
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 6: was cool. I just feel really good for Valentina. And

771
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 6: if anybody deserves to take a UFC belt home and

772
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 6: put it on her mantle, man, it's that one.

773
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Speaker 1: Without a doubt, with all those fights that she missed.

774
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, she absolutely deserves it, you know, just based

775
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: on that alone. But you look at her performances and

776
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: what she's done, she was just fantastic on Saturday night.

777
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Speaker 1: What was the round that they gave you on it?

778
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 6: Was it the fourth round, I believe, So I don't

779
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 6: have the round by round breakdown.

780
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: I'll look it up.

781
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because that was the closest round for me

782
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: that I thought you want to potentially won. You could

783
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: even argue that Valentina won all five, but I thought

784
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: she was just on point and she absolutely did her homework.

785
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: And there should be some big time credit to her

786
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: coaches as well for really looking at Yuanna in her weaknesses.

787
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: And I think there's a couple things for you wanna

788
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: for someone who doesn't come from wrestling background, she defends

789
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: leg attacks extremely well. Her ability to single and double

790
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: legs is just fantastic. Valentina made those adjustments and really

791
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: approached it more like a judoka. She was looking for

792
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: that head and arm throw she was looking. She landed

793
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: some of them, a most beautiful foot sweeps that takes

794
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: tremendous timing, and she was just doing a lot of

795
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: bodylock Greco Roman style takedowns which Juanna wasn't used to,

796
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Speaker 1: and I thought that was absolutely brilliant. Sprinkling in those

797
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: high level takedowns, I thought was just awesome. Not to

798
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: mention her counter striking was absolutely on point. It sometimes

799
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: it takes Valentina a little bit longer to get back

800
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: in the fight. I thought from round one she was

801
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: just unbelievable countering Yuanna, and I think for Yoanna, she

802
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: was just taking too much of a linear approach, and

803
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: I think that's why she's been a little hesitant, and

804
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: that's why she was caught against Rose noam Munis. And

805
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I think either her coaching or her she doesn't know

806
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: how to find and create that angle. She just comes

807
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: behind her job, but she comes very linear, both offensively

808
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: and defense. Valentina was well aware of that. She was

809
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: hitting that spinning backkick as just a gorgeous counter She

810
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: was landing with her left hand as well. I think

811
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: that was maybe not as impressive Max Holloway, given the action,

812
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: But as far as skill, it was absolutely right there

813
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: with Max Holloway, I was just blown away by Valentina Chevchenko.

814
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 6: And you're right, Yoanna did miss a lot right and

815
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 6: you kept hearing Mike Brown, I think it was and

816
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 6: could tell Kuba's call for the long straight right, and

817
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 6: she just seemed out of range oftentimes.

818
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: And some people too were sort.

819
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 6: Of suggesting that maybe you know, she was trained to

820
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 6: miss a little bit right. As long as she just

821
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 6: kept pupping that jab, it didn't even necessarily matter if

822
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 6: it landed or not. But Valentino was just was too

823
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 6: much in every realm of mixed martial arts. And I

824
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 6: think she's going to be for most of these other

825
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 6: flyweight hopefuls that are climbing the ladder a lifetime in

826
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: the game. And I hope we made enough of this

827
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 6: on the broadcast. I mean, she literally travels around the

828
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 6: world with her manager, her head coach, and her sister,

829
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Speaker 6: and all they do is travel and train and explore

830
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: different cultures and ways to get better. So when she

831
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 6: gets in there and makes all of these things look

832
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 6: so easy and wrote and responds so seamlessly with strikes

833
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 6: coming back, it's because this is literally all this woman does.

834
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Speaker 6: And there may be fighters that train as much. There's

835
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 6: no fighter out there that trains more. I don't know

836
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 6: if you saw Countdown at UFC two thirty one, Kenny,

837
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: they ended up going and training in Farmingdale, Maine at

838
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 6: a little school called Lawton MMA because it simulated life

839
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 6: in their home nation. Right, So in the dead of

840
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 6: winter they're getting in an RV and traveling to Maine,

841
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 6: you know, like the UFC Countdown crew has gotta be likequr,

842
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 6: you fucking we gotta go there. We said we're going

843
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 6: to be in Texas, you know. But that's why I

844
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 6: just I feel so good for this woman. And she

845
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 6: has had so much pressure on her right since the

846
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 6: second Amanda Noons fight, a fight that people thought she won,

847
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 6: but she didn't do anything in round one and paid

848
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: for it. And certainly to your point, she changed that

849
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 6: approach for this fight. But just feel really good for her.

850
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 6: As for what's next for Valentina chev Chanko, it seems

851
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 6: like it's gonna be Jessica I and I say that

852
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: with respect to Nico Montango. I'm not sure the promotion

853
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: feels like they can count on the only other flyweight

854
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: champion Nico Montano to make the weight and Jessica I

855
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 6: on this show with a lot of eyeballs on it

856
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: had a big win over Caitlyn Chukegin. She won by

857
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 6: split decision. I thought she won the fight. So maybe

858
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 6: that's gonna be next for Schevchenko. But I think the

859
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 6: more interesting talking point, because our time is short, is

860
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 6: what's next for Yoanna?

861
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Speaker 3: You and jcheck because she.

862
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 6: Loved fight week right, she was fed, she was able

863
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: to train a little bit of even quantity over quality

864
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 6: at times just because she wasn't going on. I mean, dude,

865
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 6: we're talking about a woman who was ingesting like eleven

866
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 6: hundred calories a day when she was making one hundred

867
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: and fifteen pounds.

868
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: So what do you think for Yoano?

869
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Speaker 6: Do you think she stays at flyweight or do you

870
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 6: think because Valentina appeared so dominant Saturday night that that'll

871
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 6: give her pause to stick around at twenty five?

872
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: I think you wanna could win that fight, I really do.

873
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: I just again, I think for that fight, she needs

874
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: a different approach and she needs a different understanding of

875
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: how to enter and get out safely. I don't think

876
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: she understands that I think that's why she's so hesitant

877
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: and just kind of pumping out that jab. She thinks

878
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: she's going against those other women that she dominated one

879
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds, and it's just not the case anymore.

880
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: This sport is always evolving and fighters are getting better,

881
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: and Valentina Schefchenko, with all her striking experience, I think,

882
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: just understood the game better. I think it's an information game,

883
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: and for Valentina Chevchenko, she just understood it better. She

884
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: had better information. She knew what she was doing out there.

885
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: I would like to see you want to stay at

886
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five pounds. I think she's healthier.

887
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: I don't think she needs to kill herself to get

888
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: down to one hundred and fifteen pounds anymore. But I

889
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: do think she needs a different approach, and you know,

890
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of women in that division.

891
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: I could see her fighting for that belt again at

892
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen pounds with Rose noam Munis beating

893
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: her twice, It's going to be tough for her to

894
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: get a shot at Rose again unless there's a there's

895
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: a change. You know, if Androge is able to beat

896
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, Rose, for example, I think maybe it would

897
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: be worth going down to one hundred and fifteen pounds,

898
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: but I think it's just some technical adjustments for j

899
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: Wanna and she can be right back in there.

900
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 6: Yeah no, And that's going to be the next fight

901
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 6: for Rosnama Unis. It will be Jessica Andrage whenever Rose

902
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 6: is ready to go. You know, Androge is ready to

903
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 6: go forty five weeks a year. All right, So it

904
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 6: sounds like you would give Joanna pretty decent chance she

905
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 6: was a plus two seventy underdog. Would you agree with

906
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 6: me that Jessica I will be an even bigger betting

907
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 6: underdog and is sort of up against it in that

908
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 6: matchup if that's the direction in which they go.

909
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, you look at you Wanta, with all

910
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: of her experience and her proficiency at striking that she

911
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: showed as a champion one hundred and fifteen pounds, we

912
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: haven't quite seen that from jessica I. I think jessica

913
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: Ie is as tough as they come, but I'm not

914
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: sure she has the skill to contend with the Valentini

915
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: ship Chanki at this point in the game.

916
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, one of the night's I guess winner

917
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: the winners, I should say the returning Gunnar Nelson. I

918
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 6: feel like I'm around mixed martial arts or Brazilian jiu

919
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 6: jitsu royalty when I'm around this guy. I don't know

920
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 6: if I'm starstruck, if that's the right way to put it,

921
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 6: but he just has this this vibe that just I

922
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 6: feel like I'm around a superstar and I think he

923
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: kind of has a fan base to back that up.

924
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 6: Had a lot of fan support against Alex Cowboy Oliver

925
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 6: this weekend.

926
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 3: Tremendous fight. Some early adversity for Gunny.

927
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 6: I thought OLIVERA was pretty impressive and reversing some positions

928
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 6: in this fight, just leaning on his strength. But for

929
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 6: Gunnar Nelson to get a win like this, right, this

930
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: is this is classic Ken flow folks. Right, you get

931
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 6: like a knockout and a submission, you ruin the guy's face,

932
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: and then for good measure, you turn around and nearly

933
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: choke him unconscious.

934
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 3: Huge win for Goodar Nelson.

935
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Put an axe in the cowboys head. My goodness, that

936
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: elbow was a thing of beauty. As soon as he landed,

937
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: I was like, oh that's it. Yeah, that is a

938
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: nasty cut and my goodness, the blood backed that up.

939
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, for Gunner Nelson, man, he really battled back

940
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: from some scary moments against Cowboy Olivera, who definitely showed

941
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: some improvements. You know, I think Cowboy is a very

942
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: exciting fighter, but I'm not sure he's always shown the

943
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: most technical style in the octagon. But I thought he

944
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: looked better here against Gunny, who is a fantastic martial artist,

945
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and I would agree he does have a certain aura

946
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: about him. This guy is a true martial artist through

947
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: and through, and I thought he adjusted very well in

948
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: that fight against Cowboy Olivera. Getting that mount position, landing

949
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: that beautiful elbow, and transitioning right into that rear naked

950
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: choke was a thing of beauty. And it looked like

951
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Cowboy Olivera was gonna tap as soon as he turned

952
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: his back. It's almost like he wanted that rear naked

953
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: choke to get put into place. But Gunner Nelson is

954
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: just a fantastic jiu jitsu practitioner and an overall good

955
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: mixed martial artist, and he is a superstar man. I

956
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: mean Iceland, the whole country of Iceland, I think is

957
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: much smaller than even the city of Los Angeles. But

958
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: he is one of the biggest athletes in the country

959
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: by far. So good to see the great Gunner Nelson

960
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: get that win there.

961
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 6: And I do think if the for scoring purposes, if

962
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 6: you go back and look at it, it might have

963
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 6: even been a submission due to strikes, right, It seemed

964
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 6: like the tap almost came before there was the submission.

965
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 6: But big win for Gunnar Nelson. New strength and conditioning

966
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 6: program for him and against this type of opponent. I

967
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 6: thought it was important for him to sort of have

968
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 6: something like that, and it certainly paid off for him.

969
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: He's not a guy that cuts a lot of weight.

970
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: He's a guy who said if there was one hundred

971
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 6: and sixty five pound division, that would really be his wheelhouse.

972
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 6: But Gunnard Nelson is back and in a big way.

973
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 6: Tiago Santos with a huge knockout of Jimmy Manua. History

974
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 6: is gonna look fondly back of what Thiago Santos has

975
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: done over the last two years. I mean, this dude's

976
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 6: an animal, man. I mean double digit knockdowns, knockouts in

977
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 6: the UFC too, But dude's got double digit knockdowns in

978
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 6: the UFC. Right four wins this year five total fights

979
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 6: made way to six times the backup. Is there a

980
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 6: lot of Sonia Brad tavories, right, I mean you talk

981
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 6: about a UFC workhorse and a guy that has the

982
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 6: results despite the schedule. Massive win for Thiago Santos this week.

983
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: It seemed like.

984
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: When Jimmy Manua went out there and saw Santos charge

985
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: out him, he was like, hey, hey man, it's just

986
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: taking this is just a sport, dude, take it easy, like,

987
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: calm down, give me a little time to get into

988
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: this fight. And Santos was not having it. He just

989
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: went out there and just turned into a brawl, which

990
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: I thought was a tremendous strategy actually against Manuwa, who's

991
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a technical striker, likes to

992
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: take his time, looks for the entries, like to analyze

993
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, and Santos just never let him really

994
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: get in the fight.

995
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: And there were some good moments for Manawan, no doubt

996
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: about it.

997
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: But for Santos, I think he rocked him early and

998
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: it was tough for Manua to really get his bearings

999
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: in the octagon and get comfortable. Santos went at him

1000
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: and just threw those hammers and rocked him early. I

1001
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: think there were shots coming around the temple, so it

1002
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: was tough for Manua to really find his equilibrium in

1003
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: that fight early. He was able to settle down late

1004
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: in the fight and had some good moments there. Hit

1005
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: a nice take down there against Santos, but Santos is

1006
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: an absolute savage and looks very good at two hundred

1007
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: and five pounds. I also liked his just his fearless

1008
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: approach there, throwing like a couple were a kick at

1009
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: one point, almost like a cartwheel kick. He was out

1010
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: there to not only beat Manuah, but to destroy him.

1011
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: He was trying to hurt him, and he did that.

1012
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's exactly what he said to us when

1013
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 6: we sat down with him on Thursday. It was very

1014
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 6: matter of fact that he was better everywhere and was

1015
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 6: going to go out there and prove it. Speaking a

1016
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 6: guy who's pretty good everywhere. Now with us on the

1017
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 6: guest line, longtime MMA writer, radio host, television personality for

1018
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Speaker 6: shirt dog dot com. Now you can catch his work,

1019
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1020
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: The Great Jordan Green is with us. JB.

1021
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Speaker 6: It's been a long time man, pleasure to talk to you, sir,

1022
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 6: How are you?

1023
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 9: You said I was good in all areas. I don't

1024
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 9: know if I'd go that far.

1025
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: So I know you've been bouncing around a little bit

1026
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 6: at a bit, and I want to get into to

1027
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 6: Max Holloway and everything that's going on in the sport.

1028
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 6: But for those of us that have followed your work,

1029
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 6: and for me really since day one is a Mixed

1030
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Speaker 6: Martial Arts fan, I ingested something of yours and you've

1031
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Speaker 6: been a credit to the sport. Where can we find

1032
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Speaker 6: you now? And what have the last six to twelve

1033
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Speaker 6: months held for you?

1034
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Speaker 9: The best thing you can do for me At this

1035
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1036
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1037
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Speaker 9: platform over on Patreon. So patreon dot com.

1039
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Speaker 5: Slash between rounds.

1040
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 9: You know, you get the Jordan Breen Show, you get

1041
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 9: roundtables for absolutely every event, beat down at for the Bell,

1042
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1043
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1044
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Speaker 9: stick at. I'd like to think it's a one stop shop.

1045
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Speaker 3: So Patreon dot com slash.

1046
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1047
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 6: Damn right, support the Homies, And we'll trot that out

1048
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 6: at the end of the interview as well. So, what

1049
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 6: are your thoughts on Max Holloway? And sometimes we go

1050
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 6: a little bit overboard trying to put these wins into

1051
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 6: context historically, but at least in terms of the twenty

1052
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 6: minutes of fighting you saw this weekend. What was your

1053
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 6: feeling about Max Holloway, you know, relative to your expectations

1054
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 6: going it?

1055
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 9: Well, I mean in an objective sense, there isn't really

1056
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 9: a way you can overstate it. I mean, dude, he

1057
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 9: basically I mean poor Michael Carroll from Fight Metric. This

1058
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 9: dude busted every fight Metric tabulator. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

1059
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 9: I mean I think I think Holloway has now So

1060
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 9: he's twenty and three as a pro fighter, and he

1061
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 9: entered the UFCA at four oh, so he's had nineteen

1062
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 9: UFC fights at this point in time. He needed only

1063
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 9: nineteen UFC fights to land the most significant strikes landed

1064
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 9: in the history of the UFC, and only head of

1065
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 9: them are Frankie Edgar and Michael Bisping, And was all

1066
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 9: due respect to them. Bisping I believe had twenty nine

1067
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 9: UFC fights before he retired, and I think Edgar is

1068
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 9: at twenty six or something like that. And also they're

1069
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 9: not the natural fight finishers that Max Holloway is, so

1070
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 9: we have to keep in mind not only did Max

1071
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 9: Holloway need you know, like a half dozen fewer fights

1072
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 9: to surpass them in terms of significant strikes, he ends

1073
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 9: his fight faster than they do. This being and Edgar

1074
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 9: are one in two in all time time spent in

1075
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 9: the octagon, so they've had much longer to actually accumulate

1076
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 9: significant strikes on their opponents. More than that, I mean,

1077
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 9: I think for hardcore fight fans we kind of hold like,

1078
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 9: I don't even know what you would call it, but

1079
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 9: like because it wasn't like a fight of the year

1080
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 9: or anything like that. But I think everyone has this

1081
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 9: kind of remembrance of the Nake Diaz and Donald Cerroni fight.

1082
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 9: It's it's just this fight where one guy beats the

1083
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 9: ever loving tar out of another guy and you can't believe,

1084
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 9: like you're watching on a second by second, minute by

1085
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 9: minute basis, and you're like, is this ever gonna end?

1086
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 9: How many's he gonna land, and Max Holloways sur passed that.

1087
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 9: He landed two hundred and ninety significant strikes by fight

1088
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 9: metric count against Brian Ortega in twenty minutes, and the

1089
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 9: fourth round he broke again the Nate Diez Donald Cerny

1090
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 9: measure by landing one hundred and forty three strikes in

1091
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 9: five minutes. Man, So, I mean, no matter what comes

1092
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 9: of Max Holloway's career from here on out, I think

1093
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 9: we're always gonna remember the Josey Aldo fights as kind

1094
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 9: of like the most formative, instructive and most brilliant performances

1095
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 9: of his career. But what he did against Brian Ortega,

1096
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,479
Speaker 9: you know, it's just it's just a feather in the cap.

1097
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 9: It's it's this reminder that I mean, you know, I

1098
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 9: you know, I hate to be corny and kind of

1099
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 9: like use his own phraseology, but when Max Holloway talks

1100
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 9: about the Blessed Express like we're just lucky to have

1101
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 9: a ticket.

1102
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: We are, we are, it is what it is.

1103
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Well, listen, man, you know, I think that he's an

1104
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: absolute promoter's dream And if I'm the UFC, I'm breaking

1105
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: out my wallet every single time this guy goes out

1106
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: there and competes. Not only is it exciting, but the

1107
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: skill level is just extremely impressive. Now, who would you

1108
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: want to see him fight next?

1109
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 7: Man?

1110
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: You know, John and I were discussing, you know, there's

1111
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: a coonom McGregor fight potentially at one fifty five. Should

1112
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: he stay at one forty five and and I guess

1113
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: take on some other guys like a Frank Edgar who

1114
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: he's never faced. Or does he go up to one

1115
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: fifty five and fight Econoor McGregor or maybe fight the

1116
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: winner of Ferguson And to be so, I mean.

1117
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 9: This is this is absolutely the tricky question. If you

1118
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 9: listen to the post fight press conference, Dana White is

1119
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 9: clearly and there's always an awkward feeling when you kind

1120
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 9: of have like the president of a promotion being like,

1121
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 9: we want this guy to move up, we want we

1122
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 9: want this athlete who's an independent contractor to do this thing.

1123
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 5: Right.

1124
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 9: That's the thing that makes Max Holloway great is he

1125
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 9: just doesn't.

1126
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: Care, you know, he even wants to.

1127
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 9: He just wants to get paid for having a great fight. Yeah,

1128
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 9: And I think I think that's the thing that you

1129
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 9: see reflected in the Ortega fight, is I mean, he

1130
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 9: started his career at one fifty five. I don't think

1131
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 9: there's any slight whatsoever. And frankly with his thirteen fight

1132
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 9: winning streak, I mean, if you want to be a

1133
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 9: completionist and and you really want to have that feeling of, oh, well,

1134
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 9: he really cleared out his division, maybe you want to

1135
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 9: figure out some way to finaggle a frankiegar title fight,

1136
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 9: just so you can say unequivocally Max Halloway cleared out

1137
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 9: the featherweight division. But that's not really the way things work.

1138
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 9: And we're kind of operating under a new business model now.

1139
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 9: We know that WME, IMG and Endeavor they need to

1140
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 9: figure it away to make four point two plus billion

1141
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 9: dollars back on the UFC investment. So if we're going

1142
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 9: to live in the era of the super fight, it's

1143
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 9: like Kenny said, like you, you can't get a better guy.

1144
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 9: Mac Callaway kills it with the media. He's and like

1145
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 9: I said, with his fight. And I literally just wrote

1146
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 9: about this in my column for Shirt at the Com

1147
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 9: check out five less and Learned from UFC two thirty

1148
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 9: one over. I'm sure dog dot com right now. The

1149
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 9: thing that makes Max Holloway great is that we're in

1150
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 9: an arrow where I mean people are bonus incentivized. You know,

1151
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 9: people are always trying to get Dana White's attention or

1152
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 9: you know, to get that extra fifty k, and and

1153
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 9: oftentimes they fight in a way that corresponds to that goal,

1154
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 9: for better for worse. You know, sometimes it entertains us,

1155
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 9: but it may be to your detriment if you just

1156
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 9: want to throw caution to the wind and you're hoping

1157
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 9: you're going to get a bonus. The thing that blows

1158
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 9: me away about Max Holloway, and the thing that makes him,

1159
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 9: you know, a legend in the game already at twenty

1160
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 9: seven years old, is the fact that he just does

1161
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 9: it naturally. You know, it's it's not a game, it's

1162
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 9: not a ruse. He's not trying to entertain us. It's

1163
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 9: just the way he fights. After three rounds against Ortega,

1164
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 9: he's already up thirty twenty seven. He could have just

1165
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 9: ran away and circled around the cage for the next

1166
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 9: ten minutes and already won a decision and retained his title.

1167
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 9: But he turned up the heat, and he landed one

1168
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 9: hundred and forty three significant strike and broke the fight

1169
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 9: measure record for a single round against the dude that

1170
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 9: he was already winning the fight against. And it's it's

1171
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 9: not when you watch him, it's it's not a conscious decision.

1172
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 9: You don't. You don't watch Mac Holloway and think like, oh,

1173
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 9: he's trying to entertain us. This isn't you know, this,

1174
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 9: This isn't kind of like Roman gladiator type bullshit, you

1175
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: know what I mean, Like, you know, he just he

1176
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 9: just does it because that's the way he fights. And

1177
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 9: it's like I said, like, on the surface, I think

1178
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 9: that blessed is kind of a corny nickname. And granted,

1179
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 9: we're in a sport that's filled with corney nicknames. No

1180
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 9: disrespect to you, Kenny, but in all seriousness, we're blessed

1181
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 9: to live in the era of Max Holloway. You know, Like,

1182
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 9: like fighting is just in this dude's DNA. What he does,

1183
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 9: it's natural, it's reflexive, it's instinctive, and it's entertaining as hell.

1184
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 9: And so I think the best the best step forward,

1185
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 9: both in terms of like business procedure, knowing what Endeavor

1186
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 9: wants to accomplish, but also knowing the fact that the

1187
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 9: UFC would probably compensate him very well for his time.

1188
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter if it's a McGregory match, it doesn't matter,

1189
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 9: if it's an interim title against Tony Ferguson, it doesn't

1190
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 9: matter if it's actual championship fight against the beating Omega

1191
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 9: medav It's all gravy, you know, is dude this this dude,

1192
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 9: this dude has already planted his flag. I think I

1193
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 9: think he's already surpassed Josey although as the best featherweight

1194
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 9: in history, he's already got one division on lock in

1195
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 9: a historical context. If he wants to move up to

1196
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 9: one fifty five, if the worst thing we can say

1197
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 9: it like and that's the thing is that like like

1198
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 9: we still always worried, like what if, well, what if

1199
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 9: this guy moves up and he loses? If Max Holloway

1200
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 9: loses a split decision to Tony Ferguson in a bullshit

1201
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 9: interim title fight and it ends up being Fighter of

1202
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 9: the year.

1203
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 7: Are we are?

1204
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 9: Like is anyone really worse off.

1205
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: For that right to get paid?

1206
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 9: Like like like two great fighters get paid. We get

1207
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 9: to enjoy, you know, a potential fight of the year.

1208
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 9: Like to me, that like that's the fight at once

1209
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 9: fifty five I mean, I want to see Holloway go

1210
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 9: for the Gusto. I want to see him fight No

1211
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 9: Mega Medov and see how far he can push it.

1212
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 9: I would love to see the McGregory match, but in

1213
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 9: terms of a pure style match, him and Ferduson just

1214
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 9: seems like it has fight of the Year written all

1215
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 9: over it.

1216
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and those are two guys that, in terms of

1217
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 6: what they care about, legacy really is first, and they

1218
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 6: want to prove that they are the best pound for

1219
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 6: pound fighter in the sport forty five weeks a year, right.

1220
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 6: They don't necessarily want to say, hey, I'm the best

1221
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 6: in the world when I have the most optimal eight

1222
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 6: week training camp known to man, right, And that I

1223
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 6: think is an important distinction with Max Holloway because when

1224
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 6: he does move up to one hundred and fifty five

1225
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 6: pounds with finality one fifty five and welterweight and wherever

1226
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 6: else he wants to go, this is the type of

1227
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 6: guy who can save you know, back to back pay

1228
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 6: per views if need be, because he's ready to go.

1229
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 6: So I think that's another part.

1230
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 5: I mean, we.

1231
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 9: Already saw that, I mean, right, he was willing to

1232
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 9: step in on short notice and fight in your maga

1233
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 9: meta and in all seriousness, I mean, like, I submit

1234
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 9: this to both of you, John Kenny, Like, is there

1235
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 9: a guy, independent of weight class who you would rather

1236
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 9: step in less on short notice against than Beamga Metov?

1237
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know, Like you have.

1238
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 9: To come in on eight days notice and face this

1239
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 9: dude who's gonna ragdall you and put you against the

1240
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 9: fence and.

1241
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 5: Stock you in the faith.

1242
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 9: And then talk to the commentator, laugh at Joe Rogan

1243
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 9: shit talk to Dana White while he's pummeling you. That's

1244
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 9: like the most emasculating thing you can possibly imagine.

1245
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: It's insane.

1246
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 6: Dude literally called a shot and then turned in the

1247
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 6: most productive round in UFC history. Next time we have

1248
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 6: Jordan Breen on the show, I'm going to book him

1249
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 6: for a half an hour, but we have to run

1250
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 6: patreon dot com slash between rounds. You get the Jordan

1251
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 6: Breen Show and all of jb other content. Hey, thanks

1252
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 6: for the time, man, We'll go longer next time. Great

1253
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 6: insight as usual, my man.

1254
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 9: John Kenny. Always a pleasure.

1255
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, the.

1256
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 6: Great Jordan Brainshirtdog dot compatreon dot com slash between rounds

1257
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 6: A lot of good things there on Max right in

1258
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 6: terms of everything that he brings to the table, and

1259
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 6: I'm glad that we had Jordan to talk about something

1260
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 6: like that in terms of a little historical framework. I

1261
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 6: didn't realize that fourth round was quite as productive as

1262
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 6: it was, but the fact that it came after he

1263
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 6: essentially called his shot is just absolutely ridiculous. I think

1264
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 6: Ken flows ever, with all due respect, was thinking about

1265
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 6: the fucking commentators or going over and talking to them

1266
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 6: at any point in the fight.

1267
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean I was not, but again, like, think about

1268
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: those dudes who are absolutely exhausted in the third round

1269
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: after doing half the output of Max Holloway, and this

1270
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: guy's getting stronger and throwing more volume at you. It's amazing, unbelievable, dude.

1271
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 6: All right, Well, for nine months, Team Annik has been

1272
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 6: leading the Main Event Challenge like double digits or more.

1273
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 6: But a funny thing happened on the way to Toronto.

1274
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 6: Let's get to the main Event Challenge.

1275
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 4: It's the Main Event Challenge and the time is most

1276
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: definitely coy.

1277
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 9: I finished, fine, how do you everything?

1278
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: Both will do? Win the Main Event Challenge to John

1279
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: Annick and Kenny Flourian podcast.

1280
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 6: So Team Annik was so far ahead in the standings

1281
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 6: thirteen to fifteen points a few weeks ago that we

1282
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 6: actually started planning the punishment for Ken Florida to do

1283
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 6: a power Hour on the air. It was one hundred

1284
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 6: and thirty eight to one hundred and thirty going into

1285
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 6: UFC two thirty one. Ken Flow wins his fourth consecutive

1286
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 6: week nine to three Big Plays. Nina answer Off at

1287
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 6: plus two forty also correctly predicted a Max Holloway knockout

1288
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 6: in the fourth round Goodner Nelson over Alex Olivera. The

1289
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 6: lead is down to two points, the closest this thing

1290
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 6: has been since.

1291
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: February r.

1292
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 6: One forty one to one thirty nine, With two UFC

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Speaker 6: live events remaining and with us to make picks today,

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Speaker 6: I'm glad we have a good guest picker because I

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Speaker 6: need help. Writer and creator of the MMA comics series

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Speaker 6: Cage Hero, former manager of Chris Widman. So I hope

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Speaker 6: they're still on good terms or we might have a problem.

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Speaker 6: Ian Parker is with us. Ian, how are you man?

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Speaker 7: I'm good, John, how's it going?

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Speaker 3: Doing well?

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 6: But I'm sorry to keep you waiting before we get

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 6: into uh to the Fox card this weekend, and I

1303
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 6: hope I'm not speaking out of school here. Ian had

1304
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars on Max Holloway Saturday night. Folks,

1305
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 6: this is one of the sharpest betters that I have

1306
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 6: come across in my time on social media. So Ian,

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01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 6: first off the top, congratulations, you felt pretty condicted to

1308
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 6: lay the lumber on Blessed this weekend.

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 7: Huh, I did you know what? And what was crazy

1310
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 7: to me was the fact that he was even an

1311
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 7: underdog at some point. I think people really forget how

1312
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 7: dominant he's been. And I've been saying this for a while.

1313
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 7: I know I mentioned this to you. I really think

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Speaker 7: maxified most involved fighter over the last X amount of years,

1315
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 7: probably since they've lost to Connor.

1316
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 7: No, It's funny how people are bringing that up because

1318
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 7: now I don't even think it'd be a close fight

1319
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 7: whatsoever team the two, you know, not many guys have

1320
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 7: really just become that much better and keep getting better,

1321
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 7: and everyone's like, guess how young he is? You know,

1322
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 7: it's crazy. So I was pretty confident.

1323
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that that's a good point you bring up.

1324
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Speaker 6: I don't even have twenty five thousand dollars this time

1325
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 6: twenty five large. Hey, so, so who would you like

1326
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 6: to see Max Holloway fight next to you?

1327
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 7: In?

1328
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 6: Because I know you're following this stuff as closely as anybody.

1329
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 6: Do you just want to see them proceed with him

1330
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 6: at featherweight or is there a name at fifty five

1331
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 6: that that piques your interest more than others?

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Speaker 7: You know, It's it comes down to really what makes

1333
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 7: the most sense for him and his body for longevity.

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Speaker 7: I don't think he has any left to prove at

1335
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 7: one forty five, and I don't think there's that many

1336
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Speaker 7: key marketing fights for him at this point, especially with

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 7: Connor being at fifty five. There's so many ways they

1338
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 7: can do this. I don't know how you don't give

1339
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 7: Tony Ferguson the title shot at this point. The only

1340
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 7: thing that they could do is if they let's just

1341
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 7: say that they decide to know what we're going to

1342
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 7: throw Max Holloway against fabib then I would say, all right,

1343
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 7: do Tony versus Dustin and then do Connor Nate three,

1344
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 7: you know, and do it all in the same car

1345
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 7: to make it crazy all that. You know. Yeah, they

1346
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 7: won't do that.

1347
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 6: I know, yeah, no, but you're getting excited I mean,

1348
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 6: a lot of that stuff makes sense. And again, the

1349
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 6: fact that Tony publicly was willing to ask for a

1350
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 6: fight with Max or say he'd be interested if he

1351
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 6: didn't get the undisputed shot. You know, Tony is is

1352
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 6: very much cut from the same cloth as Max Holloway.

1353
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 6: I mean the fact that Tony at with eleven fights

1354
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 6: eleven straight wins, isn't like demanding an undisputed title fight

1355
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 6: is incredible to me.

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Speaker 3: All right. First fight out today, gentlemen.

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Speaker 7: I think it's because I think it's because they don't

1358
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 7: know when Hubide really is going to be able to fight,

1359
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 7: and he's not stupid, you know, he doesn't want to wait.

1360
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 7: And there's money they made in the fight against.

1361
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Speaker 3: Halloway, no doubt, no doubt.

1362
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Speaker 6: And if it's an interim lightweight title then then at

1363
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 6: least that would set him up. But uh yeah, no,

1364
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 6: I and it's legacy building fight too, all right. First

1365
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 6: fight for debate today, gentlemen. Four fights on the main

1366
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 6: card this weekend on Big Fox. This one's a lightweight

1367
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 6: rematch eight years in the making. Charles olivera monus two

1368
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 6: to eighty five, Jim Miller is plus two twenty and

1369
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 6: two guys here with more than fifty UFC fights between them,

1370
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Speaker 6: Who do you like?

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Speaker 7: It's hard to not take all of era in this fight.

1372
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Speaker 7: I think Jim Miller. I think this actually kind of

1373
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 7: is weird to putting Jim Miller in this position. I

1374
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 7: was kind of hoping they'd give him something a little

1375
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 7: bit more. I hate to stay winnable because Jim is

1376
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 7: still so solid. This just could not play into his strength.

1377
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 7: He's going against the guy, a jiu jitsu guy, and

1378
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 7: when Jim was once non submissible, now he's been submitted

1379
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 7: quite a few times. I like olivera Here. I think

1380
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 7: his range with the striking, he'll be able to do

1381
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 7: whatever he wants, and the submission game is just too good.

1382
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 7: Jim's on the way out. I think Charles still has

1383
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 7: time to show that potential. So I like olivera Here

1384
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 7: Ken Flo.

1385
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 6: I think I might have found my guest picker that

1386
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 6: I got to trot out once a month. He's concise,

1387
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 6: but the information is good. Strong star for Ian there,

1388
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 6: and I think he hit out a lot of good points.

1389
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 6: Jim Miller coming off a big win that he needed

1390
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 6: in what was his record thirtieth UFC appearance last meeting

1391
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 6: between these two guys, all the way back in UFC

1392
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 6: won twenty four December twenty ten. Miller won that fight

1393
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 6: by knee bar at one fifty nine of round one.

1394
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 6: Flow your thoughts on the rematch this weekend.

1395
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: Ian knows his shite. Listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna go

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: with Charles Olivera here as well. I think that everything

1397
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: that Jim Miller is good at, Charles is a little

1398
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: bit better, you know, as far as striking, He's a

1399
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: little bit more talent, that has a little more weapons.

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01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna be taller.

1401
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: I also think that as far as the ground games go,

1402
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: I think he's more dangerous there as well. I think

1403
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: the only thing that the only advantage that Jim Miller

1404
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: has here is his durability. I think Olivera, you know,

1405
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: we've seen him get caught with body shots, get caught

1406
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: upstairs where he kind of goes down. But I don't

1407
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: think Miller is that threat on the feet. I gotta

1408
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: go with dub Bronx here, all right.

1409
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 6: Next up on the main card at bantamweight, Geo Pettis

1410
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 6: will be the plus one forty five underdog as he

1411
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 6: moves back down to one hundred and thirty five pounds

1412
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 6: to take on Rob font Here Font favored and minus

1413
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 6: one seventy five ian.

1414
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 3: What do you think, Rob font Sergio Pettis, You.

1415
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 7: Know it's this is a weird fight for me. I'm

1416
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 7: a little confused to why not throwing Sergio Pettis this

1417
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 7: deep into that pool so soon. I like Rob font Here.

1418
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 7: I think his striking is better. I think he's faster,

1419
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 7: He's gonna be bigger, stronger. I don't think Sergio's be

1420
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 7: able to take him down, as Rob showed in his

1421
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 7: takedown defense has gotten that much better in the last fight.

1422
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 7: I think this is a really bad fight matchup wise

1423
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 7: for Pettis to jump back up in a weak lass.

1424
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 7: I like Rob font Here.

1425
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is interesting Kenny that they are throwing him

1426
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 6: right to the wolves. Sergio Pettis went three to one

1427
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 6: as a bandam weight in the UFC before the introduction

1428
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 6: of the flyweight division. Dropped down went five and three,

1429
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 6: so eight wins in the UFC. Font coming off that

1430
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 6: unanimous decision, lost to haf Ala Sunsal this summer, but

1431
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 6: he is tried and tested in that bandamweight division. As such,

1432
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 6: he's the favorite this weekend, Kenny, what do you think?

1433
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tough one and a very tough

1434
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: matchup for Sergio Pettis. I respect the fact that he

1435
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: took this fight against Rob Font, But for Sergio, I

1436
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: don't know, man. I think that he's a very technical fighter.

1437
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: I like the way that he's blending everything together here,

1438
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: but I just think Rob Font is gonna be a

1439
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: little bit too big. I think Font can absolutely contend

1440
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: with the technical striking of Sergio Pettis. In fact, I

1441
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: think he hits much harder than Sergio, and I don't

1442
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: think Sergio is gonna be able to really put him

1443
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: on his back consistently. If he does, he's gonna need

1444
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: room in the center of the octagon to hit those shots.

1445
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: And I think Pettis is probably more technical than Font

1446
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: on the ground. I just don't think we're gonna see

1447
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: it go there very often. I gotta agree with Ian

1448
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: once again. As much as I need would love to

1449
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: have those points, I'm gonna go with Font as well.

1450
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 6: And I think in the future too, you'll see Sergio Pettis,

1451
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 6: in terms of the body composition, really build himself into

1452
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 6: a bona fide bantam way right. He just competed a

1453
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 6: flyweight not all that long ago, A lost to Juicy

1454
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 6: A for Vegas. So I think this will be a

1455
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 6: good division for him him, but particularly so three or

1456
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 6: four years down the lot. All right, comin event, Dan

1457
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 6: Hooker's coming on strong, folks. Four straight finishes have not

1458
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 6: only positioned him for the biggest fight of his career

1459
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 6: against Edson Barboza this weekend, but he's the favorite to

1460
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,959
Speaker 6: get the job done here minus one thirty Barbosa lost

1461
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 6: to Kevin Lee and what was the main event in

1462
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 6: Atlantic City back in April, Barbosa even money at least

1463
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 6: Right now, Ian, what do you think about the comaane

1464
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 6: in Milwaukee?

1465
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 7: Man, you guys are really putting the pressure on me.

1466
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 7: Kenvill doesn't even have to go first one time. Huh,

1467
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 7: All right, I know there, Yeah, it's all right. I'm

1468
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 7: a big fan of or his brawl of that old

1469
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 7: bit fighter, so we're cool. I'll go first.

1470
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 5: It's all good.

1471
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 7: So this one, actually I find to be really really interesting.

1472
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 7: I know they're trying to push Dan Hooker really far

1473
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 7: up there because of the whole knockout thing. I just

1474
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 7: want people to kind of keep an eye out here.

1475
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 7: He's only had one submission his last four fights, and

1476
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 7: it was against a guy was literally almost a white

1477
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 7: belt in jiu jitsu. And I don't even mean to

1478
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 7: be rude, it's just that was another kickboxer. The fight

1479
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 7: against Gilbert Burns was insane because he got dropped and

1480
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 7: then he came back and he dropped him in one that.

1481
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 7: I don't think it's gonna be the case here. I

1482
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 7: think he's going against the guy in Barbosa, who has

1483
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 7: faced way tougher competition, way better wrestlers, I think, way

1484
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 7: better strikers, wild and insane. I think his technicality and

1485
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 7: the light kicks are going to do it here. I'm

1486
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 7: gonna go with Barbosa. I think this is a weird

1487
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 7: matchup for Hooker this early on. I really think that,

1488
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 7: uh you know, I think Barbosa's stand up, his takedown

1489
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 7: defense is gonna be good enough to keep this up.

1490
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna get submitted by mister Hooker. However,

1491
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 7: I can't think Barbosa is gonna win this fight by decision.

1492
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 6: Interesting take, and I think a lot of people are

1493
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 6: going to see at some Barbosa in that plus money

1494
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 6: range and potentially fire this weekend, and you gave me

1495
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 6: a good idea.

1496
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 3: From now on, we're making Ken Felop pick the co

1497
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: main event.

1498
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 6: First because you're right, and that is that is a

1499
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 6: huge advantage for Team Florian to never have to fucking

1500
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 6: lead on any of these solutions, Kenny. That being said,

1501
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 6: Barbosa Hooker need we need to pick.

1502
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: Andian, I don't know if I love you or I

1503
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: hate you, because I I do love this breakdown, but

1504
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: I gotta agree with you as well.

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: Man, damn it.

1506
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: Listen, Barbosa is going against another striker here. I don't

1507
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: think Hooker has the kind of takedowns like Abibnrmaga Metov

1508
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: or a Kevin Lee who's really gonna threaten him on

1509
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: the ground. I think Hooker's better on the ground, but

1510
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna be able to get

1511
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: it there against Barbosa, who against another striker.

1512
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: Man.

1513
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: I think Barbosa is an absolute beast. I think he's

1514
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna have the big time speed advantage, and I do

1515
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: agree with Ian that he better use those leg kicks

1516
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: here against Hooker to slow him down. I think Hooker

1517
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: is an improving fighter. I think his length and his

1518
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: intelligence makes him a tough out against anyone. While Hooker

1519
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: can win this fight, I just think Barbosa is just

1520
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: a little bit cleaner and a little bit more dangerous

1521
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: with his striker. I think Barbosa's chin can be questionable

1522
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: at times. So that's the only question mark for me

1523
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: where I would potentially go the other way. But I

1524
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: just think Barbosa is a better striker, and I gotta

1525
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: go with that what we've seen. I think Barbosa wins this.

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01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: He might even get a stoppage due to leg kicks.

1527
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 6: Well, you'll know when you wake up on Friday and

1528
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 6: Barboza is minus one twenty that one Ian Parker in Parkland,

1529
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 6: Florida will have fired ten grand.

1530
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 3: Barboza and thus moved the line.

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 6: All right, main event, our final selection of the day,

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 6: Kevin Lee minus three twenty ally a Quinta coming back

1533
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 6: at plus twoint forty. We'll need the round of the

1534
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 6: method of victory here, Ian, if you don't mind, because

1535
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 6: this is the main event.

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: Who do you like in the rematch in Milwaukee?

1537
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 7: All Right, this one is very very tough for me,

1538
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 7: as I'm a Sarah Longo guy. I'm friends with Al

1539
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 7: I've known him for a long time. I'm gonna give

1540
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 7: you a little heads up on a story that I

1541
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 7: want to tell real quick, since Kenny's making me go

1542
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 7: first again. So about seven years ago, training for my

1543
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 7: own amateur fight, I'm sitting next to p edrago Cell

1544
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 7: and Luke Kumo before he went off to d Bend,

1545
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 7: and George Staropoulos is in the cage training and brings

1546
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 7: a guy from Long Island Militant. Ended up being ally

1547
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 7: at kin to these guys. Took each other's heads off

1548
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 7: for two rounds. I looked at Ray and I said,

1549
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 7: he's a real deal. Huh. He goes You want to

1550
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 7: go in with him next? I said no?

1551
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 9: After that.

1552
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 7: After that, Al goes on the Ultimate Fighter and does

1553
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 7: what he wow, you know, beats Miles Jerry and then

1554
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 7: goes on against Michael Kea where he loses. But yeah,

1555
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 7: that's a tough guy, man. He just unfortunately a lot

1556
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 7: of injuries, a lot of handbrakes. Don't buy into the

1557
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 7: whole real estate thing, you know, although he does do

1558
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 7: that and it's hilarious. He's just got a lot of injury.

1559
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 7: He's a lot of bad luck, a lot of the

1560
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 7: contractual stuff.

1561
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 9: This is really tough.

1562
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 7: Kevin Lee is another guy who just evolved tremendously since

1563
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 7: a fight like that. I mean, you saw his domination

1564
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 7: of the Barbosa minus that head kicked. I kind of

1565
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 7: made him do the chicken dance a little bit. So

1566
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 7: this one, this one's really tough. Man.

1567
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 9: Who do I want to win?

1568
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 7: Obviously I want Al to win, but based on more

1569
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 7: consistent victories to higher level of competition, and don't get

1570
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 7: me wrong, Al still went all five rounds against to

1571
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 7: be super impressive. This one's the rough one, man. I

1572
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 7: want Alt win. I think Kevin wins by decision, all.

1573
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 3: Right, Kevin Lee by decision.

1574
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 6: And you can certainly text me this weekend if there's

1575
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 6: a weight miss situation or you see something at the way,

1576
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 6: and you always reserve the right to text me and

1577
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 6: change your pick.

1578
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 3: But uh, hey, great stuff.

1579
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 9: Man on the side.

1580
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Hey, great stuff man, really really good job,

1581
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 6: and I appreciate you hopping on and next time I

1582
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 6: won't I won't have you have to pick a Sarah

1583
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 6: Longo fight, so we will have you back, buddy.

1584
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 3: Thanks for the time.

1585
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 7: I appreciate it. Guys, A lot of fun.

1586
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 6: Ian Parker bringing yes former manager of Chris Wyman. Can't

1587
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 6: wait to tell Ray Longo that Ian Parker was on

1588
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 6: the program today making picks against Ken Fla. All right,

1589
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 6: so we still need a selection here from you. A

1590
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 6: little backdrop for you. Kevin Lee made his UFC debut

1591
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 6: February first, twenty fourteen, at UFC one sixty nine, and

1592
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 6: it came against Ali quint To that night. He dropped

1593
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 6: a unanimous decision, and he then went on to win

1594
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 6: nine UFC fights, set up an interim title fight against

1595
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 6: Tony Ferguson submitted that night it was last October, but

1596
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 6: responded right back with that main event win over Edson Barbosa.

1597
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 6: Had to fight through adversity in that fight again, another

1598
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 6: win that was a feather in his cap. Fairly significant

1599
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 6: favorite here Kenny at minus three twenty for the rematch

1600
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 6: against Iaquinta. What do you think happens this weekend?

1601
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: This is a tough one as well. I think I

1602
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: aquint To having that win over Kevin Lee. I think

1603
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: is you know, of course, going to make Ali Aquinta

1604
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: that much more confident, not that he has a problem

1605
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: in that department. And I think there was a lot

1606
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: of good signs that we saw in the hbib Nurmaga

1607
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: Medoff fight with his ability to stop a lot of

1608
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: those takedowns, his ability to escape those tough positions. I

1609
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 1: just think that Kevin Lee is a little bit cleaner

1610
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: with his ability to take advantage of positions, you know,

1611
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: even better than habib Narmaga Medoff. Does he have the

1612
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: control and does he have the ground and pound of

1613
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: hbib Narmaga Metov.

1614
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 5: No.

1615
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: Are his takedowns as dominant. I'm not so sure, but

1616
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee can get it done in the takedown department.

1617
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,520
Speaker 1: He does have excellent pressure. I think his finishing ability

1618
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: submission wise is better than hibib Naramago Metoff. And I

1619
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: think with Aliaquinta, with his knee injury, I don't know

1620
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: if he still retains that same kind of power and

1621
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: that same kind of ability to plant his feet on

1622
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: the canvas of the octagon floor to get that knockout

1623
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: that he could have got prior to that knee injury.

1624
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 3: I just don't know.

1625
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: He something seemed a little off to me against the

1626
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: hibib Namaga meta fight. I don't know if it was

1627
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: because he was so ready for that takedown and he

1628
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: was maybe perhaps too low as far as his level

1629
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: against Habib, where he wasn't able to generate that much power.

1630
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: But I just think something's off with his ability to

1631
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: kind of get that same knockout shot that he had

1632
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: coming off the Ultimate Fighter. So I don't love this

1633
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: matchup for him. I have a lot of respect for

1634
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: Ayaquinta and the kind of energy that he brings in octagon,

1635
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: but I think this is Kevin Lee's fight to lose.

1636
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: I think he gets the win in and around the

1637
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: round three by submission.

1638
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 3: By submission for Kevin Lee. All right.

1639
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 6: So we will see how it goes between Ian Parker

1640
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 6: and Ken Flow this weekend as Team Annik tries to

1641
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 6: hang on for dear life.

1642
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: See my whole plan.

1643
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 6: I was going to do part of the Power Hour

1644
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 6: with you anyway and then just stop when I can't

1645
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 6: stop anymore, you know. So I was thinking too, I

1646
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 6: gotta be out there for Anaheim UFC two thirty three.

1647
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 6: We might be able to even do this thing in person.

1648
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 3: That would be fun.

1649
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 6: But man, I can't believe how things have tightened up.

1650
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 6: All right, excited for it this weekend. It is the

1651
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 6: final Fox UFC fight night, and I'm excited to see

1652
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 6: a lot of the people that you and I have

1653
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 6: worked with over the last seven years one final time.

1654
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: This weekend, we got to get out of here.

1655
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 6: Thank you to our guests, Ray Longgo, Jordan Breen, Ian Parker,

1656
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 6: Thanks to everybody in studio Ben Withsork and the crew.

1657
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 6: Next week full recap of what will be yes the

1658
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 6: final Fox UFC fight night. Also, we will get you

1659
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 6: Ken Flows UFC two thirty two picks, So that'll be

1660
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 6: sometime around Monday, December twenty fourth, Christmas Eve. I'm not

1661
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 6: sure if that'll be a live episode that day or

1662
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 6: exactly how it will play out, but rest assured. No

1663
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 6: holiday respite for Ken Flow. A ton of picks for

1664
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 6: UFC two thirty two coming up probably late next week

1665
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 6: or early on Christmas Eve. With that for Kenflow on

1666
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 6: John and thank you all for listening. May ROCKYBJJ dot com.

1667
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1683
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1684
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1685
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1686
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