Speaker 1: Previously on number one Dad.
Speaker 2: Watching him maneuver. That was where I thought that the
Speaker 2: sort of mentoring came in, even though it's not exactly
Speaker 2: how I would.
Speaker 3: Go about things, some of the locations he would take
Speaker 3: me too, and he'd have me wearing like this shirt
Speaker 3: that said AT and T and it had the logo
Speaker 3: on it, not knowing that you can't do that. You
Speaker 3: can't just use a company's logo.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind that many could have
Speaker 4: been anything he wanted.
Speaker 5: I got a call from him one day saying, this
Speaker 5: has been a bad week. He had been getting notices
Speaker 5: I believe from AT and T which will basically stopping
Speaker 5: desist orders.
Speaker 1: Then on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, I woke up
Speaker 1: at six in the morning to someone pounding on our
Speaker 1: front door. The next thing I knew, our house was
Speaker 1: being raided by the US Marshals. Do you remember talking
Speaker 1: to my dad after the US Marshals raided our house.
Speaker 5: I remember him saying that, oh, this one is bad.
Speaker 5: They came over. They took pretty much everything from his office, files, computers,
Speaker 5: boxes to be used in a legal case against them
Speaker 5: AT and T. Following the proper legal route had gotten
Speaker 5: the court order and because he had refused who knows
Speaker 5: how many ceased assist orders and judge okay, that to happen.
Speaker 1: I remember they came in and my dad being me
Speaker 1: come down the stairs in a hat that had at
Speaker 1: and t on it, and he told me to say this.
Speaker 1: He goes, where are you taking my daddy's stuff? So
Speaker 1: that's something that I had to say as a ten
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 5: I'm relieved that he didn't have you say yes, I'm
Speaker 5: many veeter, how can I help you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my fault.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Guys. I was there that morning. I was
Speaker 2: like just sitting in the basement, like, man it was
Speaker 2: just like stay here. I'm like really, He's like yeah.
Speaker 6: Only the marshals came and they started, you know, packing
Speaker 6: things up, putting into boxes. I felt, you know, sad
Speaker 6: for him because I knew he had to face a
Speaker 6: man on this.
Speaker 2: And we were like still worried, like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: are we going to be in trouble too.
Speaker 4: One day I got a phone call from rich who
Speaker 4: was with Manny in the basement, and the marshals came
Speaker 4: storming in and that became our little season of legal eaese,
Speaker 4: we would be prepping for deposition because rich and I
Speaker 4: were part of this, you know, we're clearly witnesses and involved.
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, the raid came up in my last therapy session.
Speaker 7: Gary, how did you feel when you saw the federal
Speaker 7: agents coming in to raige your home.
Speaker 1: I mean it might sound weird, but I remember not
Speaker 1: being worried at all. My dad always felt like he
Speaker 1: could get out of any situation, so I didn't think
Speaker 1: that he would be in trouble. If anything, I thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, the people that were coming in the house,
Speaker 1: the cops, that they were in the wrong. So I
Speaker 1: was just taking it as like these guys are screwing up,
Speaker 1: and my dad's going to be able to get out
Speaker 1: of whatever problem this is, and that it's their fault
Speaker 1: that this happened. And then I just left for school.
Speaker 1: This is number one Dad. So what's the latest, Gary
Speaker 1: in tracking down your father. Well, I went and saw
Speaker 1: my child at home from the outside, and I'm not
Speaker 1: exactly sure if he lives there. All I saw was
Speaker 1: a kid's bicycle and one of those little kid radio
Speaker 1: flyer wagons, and I checked the mailbox. It was empty.
Speaker 1: I have no idea if that's his home or not.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of in a position where at one
Speaker 1: point I was scared to talk to him, but now
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm going to get the chance.
Speaker 7: All Right, I'm.
Speaker 8: Going good, So I know this is like a weird question.
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you get help.
Speaker 8: So I have a number for my father, who I
Speaker 8: haven't spoken to in like twenty four years, and I'm
Speaker 8: not sure if it's his phone number, and I was
Speaker 8: wondering if there's a way to like look it up
Speaker 8: to see if it's his number, because I tried calling
Speaker 8: and I got disconnected, so I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 8: like his number.
Speaker 9: It's a landline, okay, So as far as like the
Speaker 9: landline numbers, the only thing that I can do it
Speaker 9: as is we can pay a bill. If you're not
Speaker 9: the account holder, I can't give any information about the bill,
Speaker 9: like as to who the account holder is, anything else
Speaker 9: about it. So no, yes, just for like security purposes, okay.
Speaker 9: So I wouldn't be able to tell you the name,
Speaker 9: so called it.
Speaker 8: It didn't well, So what happened was I called the
Speaker 8: number and then an automated message picked up and but
Speaker 8: it sounds. It was like a robotic automated message, so
Speaker 8: it's not like my dad's voice. And then I'm leaving
Speaker 8: a message and then it just got like cut off,
Speaker 8: like halfway through the message.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then so I don't know if it was received.
Speaker 9: Okay, what's actually I think with a laydland on, hold on?
Speaker 9: What's the phone number?
Speaker 1: So it's six ' three one. What's what's his name,
Speaker 1: Manny Veeder?
Speaker 9: I mean that's the number that is showing on here.
Speaker 8: Uh huh, that's associated with him.
Speaker 2: So got it.
Speaker 9: This was the last subject in the twenty twenty though.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, trying to figure out my next move
Speaker 1: and tracking my father down, I caught up with my
Speaker 1: cousin Mason.
Speaker 2: Manny was smart.
Speaker 5: He never went to law school, but he learned the
Speaker 5: court system.
Speaker 1: My father's years of legal battles in court preparing would
Speaker 1: go up against one of the biggest companies in the
Speaker 1: world at and T.
Speaker 5: He seemed to understand that the longer you delay any
Speaker 5: legal work, push off court dates, push off everything you
Speaker 5: possibly can, the more exhausted people get, and the more
Speaker 5: likely that something will be dismissed or the punishment will
Speaker 5: be less severe.
Speaker 1: My dad's employees at the time were Rich Petrick and
Speaker 1: Mark Palmery, and they found themselves right in the middle
Speaker 1: of my father's problems.
Speaker 2: I remember me going to court with him.
Speaker 6: The courthouse in Manhattan was always funny because we had
Speaker 6: to go there a couple of times. He was confident
Speaker 6: when he got in there and he didn't care at all.
Speaker 4: He was familiar with these court run ins, and he
Speaker 4: would go in and ask for an extension or a
Speaker 4: delay where some people weren't happy for something and they
Speaker 4: felt lied to, and it was always this kind of
Speaker 4: petty sounding complaint, so like something wasn't returned, something was broken,
Speaker 4: maybe he was dishonest, you know, or whatever. But it
Speaker 4: was not that big a deal. But the eighteen and
Speaker 4: T lawyers were a little scary. They were they were
Speaker 4: fired up, and they were saying some crazy stuff that
Speaker 4: we had never seen.
Speaker 7: Good Morning calling. The case of AT and T Corp.
Speaker 7: Versus Manny Vider.
Speaker 1: My Father's Child began November seventh, nineteen ninety four, on
Speaker 1: Long Island. The voices you're about to hear are actors,
Speaker 1: but the words were all recorded by a court stenographer.
Speaker 7: Good Morning, your honor.
Speaker 10: The defendant many Veder is engaged in a continuing scheme
Speaker 10: of passing themselves off as an AT and T personnel
Speaker 10: using counterfeit AT and T logos in order to install
Speaker 10: pay telephones at local retail stores and to foice the
Speaker 10: defendant's version of pay telephone service on the public. The
Speaker 10: defendant has used various aliases, including Many wolf Mark, wolf
Speaker 10: m Wolfman, Milton Wolfman, Menachem Vider, among others. The scheme
Speaker 10: has been so successful that the defendant has acquired over
Speaker 10: two hundred customers in a few year span.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I still have it.
Speaker 6: Like a sweatshirt that was from Manny, Like he had
Speaker 6: these blue sweatshirts sprinted up and had a little AT
Speaker 6: and T logo on it, and we would wear them
Speaker 6: and it was like, you know, we were just absolutely
Speaker 6: representing that we were AT and T. When you start
Speaker 6: this thing and you're working for somebody, you don't know,
Speaker 6: like what's going on.
Speaker 2: You know, twenty years old, naive, you don't know like.
Speaker 6: If he really works for ATT, he's a subcontractor The
Speaker 6: thing with your dad is like he just was trying
Speaker 6: to hustle and make a buck.
Speaker 11: Mister Burke, this case is not about counterfeiting, while the
Speaker 11: defendant has used plaintiff's trademarks a practice witch immediately terminated
Speaker 11: by the defendant. After receiving notice of this action, mister
Speaker 11: Veeder took affirmative steps to avoid confusion between his company
Speaker 11: and plaintiff AT and T.
Speaker 7: Mister Burke, I do have a check here, which I
Speaker 7: believe is September ninth, is it? I'm looking at Exhibit.
Speaker 2: B, your honor.
Speaker 11: If you look at that check, you'll see that it
Speaker 11: states that Payphone Plus is a provider of AT and
Speaker 11: T service, and it says that AT and T the
Speaker 11: right choice of trademarks of American Telephone and Telegraph.
Speaker 7: I think what I'm saying to you, however, mister Burke,
Speaker 7: is why does the check have the logo of the Globeonet.
Speaker 2: Your honor?
Speaker 11: These checks are no longer in use.
Speaker 2: We have new checks.
Speaker 11: Yes, indeed, there is a dispute.
Speaker 7: But that joinder is that it was used I believe
Speaker 7: after the temporary restraining order, wasn't it.
Speaker 10: We discovered that he never seesoned assistant and in fact
Speaker 10: expanded his network, even using checks as recently as two
Speaker 10: weeks ago after the order telling him not to say
Speaker 10: AT and T.
Speaker 1: At this point in the trial, the court entered a
Speaker 1: preliminary injunction as a result of the items discovered at
Speaker 1: the seizure. When my house was raided by the US marshals,
Speaker 1: my father was ordered to immediately stop identifying himself as
Speaker 1: a represent of AT and T. But things were also
Speaker 1: just getting started. The AT and T lawyers were trying
Speaker 1: to turn my father's life upside down. They subpoened my mom,
Speaker 1: my uncle, and my grandparents, anyone they could get to
Speaker 1: mess with my dad. But if you make things difficult
Speaker 1: for him, he's going to make it twice as difficult
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 10: Mister Veter has been talking to witnesses and telling them
Speaker 10: of different dates for depositions, so that after we subpoena
Speaker 10: someone for a date, we called them to confirm they're
Speaker 10: coming and they say, oh, mister Veto told us it's
Speaker 10: a different day. In addition, mister Palmieri testified yesterday that
Speaker 10: mister Veter spoke to him when they heard he was
Speaker 10: being subpoened and told him if he avoids the subpoena,
Speaker 10: he doesn't have to come.
Speaker 4: So both Rich and I did. Eventually we had to
Speaker 4: give testimony the AT and T lawyers were literally making
Speaker 4: faces they hated Manny. It looks like it looked like
Speaker 4: they wanted to kill him. Snarling, sneering, you know, these leering,
Speaker 4: threatening eyes, and you know, twists of the lips and
Speaker 4: just like almost like they want to at him or
Speaker 4: split their tongue out at him.
Speaker 1: Do you remember how my dad was responding to the
Speaker 1: AT and T lawyers.
Speaker 4: I distinctly remember Manny just looking back at them with
Speaker 4: this small smile, with a toughness, a charm, even like
Speaker 4: dog tough man. There was something street right there about
Speaker 4: that he had in him that was not backing down.
Speaker 4: You know, they've said that Manny deliberately damaged other AT
Speaker 4: and T phones that were in the area so that
Speaker 4: people would use.
Speaker 1: His lawyers for AT and T brought up Manny's criminal past,
Speaker 1: some of which was news to me.
Speaker 10: Defendant veter impersonated a New York telephone company employee by
Speaker 10: wearing a hard hat with a Nightail logo, stole two
Speaker 10: night Tail telephone enclosures, and had in his possession night
Speaker 10: Tel traffic cones, and was prosecuted for a Class E
Speaker 10: felony in connection with such stolen property. In Suffolk County,
Speaker 10: resulting in criminal conviction. Defendant Veter is also the subject
Speaker 10: of a proceeding brought by the Attorney General of the
Speaker 10: State of New York arising out of Concers One were
Speaker 10: complaints of fraud in excess of one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Between my father's criminal past and the insurmountable amount of
Speaker 1: evidence against him, things did not look good, but his
Speaker 1: lawyer began saying that the entire seizure at my house
Speaker 1: was unlawful and never should have happened. If he could
Speaker 1: prove it, it would get the case thrown out.
Speaker 12: They had no basis to seek a seizure order. A
Speaker 12: seizure order is reserved for counterfeiters. This case has no
Speaker 12: counterfeit goods. They knew that mister Veder had been purchasing
Speaker 12: equipment directly from AT and T for many years.
Speaker 7: The law is very clear, I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for my father, the judge found the seizure to
Speaker 1: be completely compliant with the law and declared all the
Speaker 1: evidence admissible. Meanwhile, the whole time this trial was going on,
Speaker 1: my father's payphone business, Payphone Plus, was still operational. He
Speaker 1: was running all over New York, installing payphones and making collections.
Speaker 1: One of the places he had business was at a
Speaker 1: mobbed up strip club in Rego Park, Queen's named Wiggles.
Speaker 4: These are made mafia guys, and every time we would enter,
Speaker 4: Manny was greeted warmly. He would hang out, they would
Speaker 4: catch up, they would talk, they would joke.
Speaker 2: It made me uncomfortable with the owner. There was like
Speaker 2: his owner guys, and he was real. He was just
Speaker 2: like Sketchy.
Speaker 1: That sketchy owner was Vinnie Palermo, also known as Vinnie Ocean,
Speaker 1: who at the time was the boss of the New
Speaker 1: Jersey Decavalcanti crime family. It said that Vinnie was the
Speaker 1: inspiration for Tony Soprano. In nineteen ninety nine, Vinnie Palermo
Speaker 1: became a government witness after confessing to two murders and
Speaker 1: implicating several Decavalcanti family members of various crimes. He's currently
Speaker 1: in the witness protection program living under an assumed name.
Speaker 4: Manny had said that those guys had offer to find
Speaker 4: the lawyers for AT and T and put them in
Speaker 4: their fridge, their walk in fridge, and Manny had turned
Speaker 4: them down. And so as we're talking to you, know
Speaker 4: we're laughing, but also like, oh my god, something bad's
Speaker 4: going to happen. This is dangerous. And he went on
Speaker 4: to say that they have like an eternal devotion to
Speaker 4: him because one time he was putting in a payphone
Speaker 4: plus payphone in one of their establishments and that he
Speaker 4: found taps. He found that they were actually being spied
Speaker 4: on in their office, and he was able to take
Speaker 4: those out and also inform them that they were wire taps.
Speaker 4: And so he's like a hero in this circle.
Speaker 1: Knowing my father, he put those wiretaps on the phone
Speaker 1: himself and then told those guys he found them. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how his brain works. Meanwhile, around the same time,
Speaker 1: the AT and T lawyers started to complain to the
Speaker 1: judge about getting harassed outside of the courtroom.
Speaker 10: There has been a harassment of counsel in the manner
Speaker 10: of hang up type phone calls. They still pick sure
Speaker 10: he took of me because somebody was talking me when
Speaker 10: I was in a supermarket having nothing to do with
Speaker 10: this case. This is all part and parcel we believe
Speaker 10: on the defendant's tactic, which started with removing.
Speaker 11: The valve of my tire from the word go, they
Speaker 11: continued to hurrow accusations at mister Veeder without a single
Speaker 11: shred of evidence.
Speaker 7: Mister Burke, as I tell some criminal defendants when they
Speaker 7: are before me, sometimes the suspicion keeps growing and growing
Speaker 7: about an activity of somebody and harassment of witnesses or obstruction.
Speaker 11: You're drawing an analogy between the defendant who's had his
Speaker 11: house invaded and a bunch of other baseless.
Speaker 7: I'm tired of hearing that as an excuse for your
Speaker 7: client's alleged conduct. If he didn't do it, then there's
Speaker 7: no need to make an excuse, is there There is
Speaker 7: no excuse? Good.
Speaker 1: It wasn't only my father who was playing dirty. So
Speaker 1: were the AT and T lawyers. They began talking to
Speaker 1: his customers, making sure they all knew he was a fraud.
Speaker 11: I've been informed that certain customers, due to contacts from
Speaker 11: AT and T, are just shutting down mister Veeter's phones.
Speaker 11: They're putting out of order signs on them. They would
Speaker 11: love to drag this case out for a few more months,
Speaker 11: because by then mister Veeter will probably be out.
Speaker 10: Of business, Your honor, He doesn't abide by his own agreement,
Speaker 10: and he does not listen.
Speaker 5: To the court order.
Speaker 1: Things were getting pretty serious for my father and he
Speaker 1: was hoping to gain some leniency. I know this because
Speaker 1: inside the massive stack of court documents I found a
Speaker 1: letter he sent to the judge. Dear Judge Platt, I
Speaker 1: write this letter to you on behalf of my wife,
Speaker 1: Sherry and myself, Manny Veter. Since the onslaught of this case,
Speaker 1: which began to unfold in your courtroom in October nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, our lives have been turned inside out, not
Speaker 1: by chance, but by the design of one of America's
Speaker 1: largest corporations. Their actions have taken an extreme financial, mental,
Speaker 1: and physical toll on my family as well as myself.
Speaker 1: To date, we have spent twenty thousand dollars defending this suit.
Speaker 1: The money has been borrowed to pay our attorneys in
Speaker 1: hope of a speedy resolution, but our combined family income
Speaker 1: for the year was less than fifty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I have to support a family of five. My attorney
Speaker 1: has advised me that he would like me to release
Speaker 1: him at this point from this litigation because I have
Speaker 1: not been able to borrow or come up with any
Speaker 1: additional money at this time to continue to pay for
Speaker 1: legal costs. Chief Judge Platt, I must see you as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. It is of the utmost urgency that
Speaker 1: you were made aware of certain pressures that are being
Speaker 1: put to us by certain parties. Sign Manny Veter, did
Speaker 1: you talk with my dad while the trial was going on,
Speaker 1: specifically about the things they took during the raid?
Speaker 5: I said, you know where it went or something's that
Speaker 5: effect we were talking about. I'm sure they have it
Speaker 5: in some warehouse somewhere. They're going through the files. I
Speaker 5: think he mentioned, ooh, they took all sorts of sports memory,
Speaker 5: which I guess had to have been related because the
Speaker 5: timing is right for I believe your your fake Sports
Speaker 5: Illustrated Kids reporter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the exact same time we were pretending
Speaker 1: to work for Sports Illustrated for Kids that the Marshalls
Speaker 1: raided our house.
Speaker 5: Right, So when your dad was sharing that this happened,
Speaker 5: I could tell that he was kind of taken aback.
Speaker 5: I think he truly was sorry, not necessarily about what
Speaker 5: he'd done, but how far he'd carried it, because I
Speaker 5: think he saw that there was real potential for significant
Speaker 5: either financial loss or criminal charges. But I could tell
Speaker 5: he was vulnerable at the time. And then down the
Speaker 5: road as I'd speaking, I say, hey, did this ever
Speaker 5: get resolved? And I remember one discussion where he said,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't believe what happened. You know, I told you
Speaker 5: that they took all this personal stuff from me.
Speaker 2: I said yeah.
Speaker 5: He says, well, I had it in a warehouse, and
Speaker 5: somehow the warehouse was broken into and a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of stuff was taken, including everything that I had, and
Speaker 5: now I can't get back my personal stuff.
Speaker 1: Improved my innocence, that's right. Mysteriously, a large amount of
Speaker 1: evidence that was seized from my house and was set
Speaker 1: to be used against my father and court went missing.
Speaker 7: During the overnight period. It is my understanding that some
Speaker 7: of this material disappeared.
Speaker 5: That is correct, your honor.
Speaker 10: Mister Veda broke into the secured AT and T facility
Speaker 10: and stole twenty boxes of documents.
Speaker 11: Mister Veet denies any involvement in the alleged theft, Your honor,
Speaker 11: This is another baseless allegation. This alleged theft took place
Speaker 11: at a secured AT and T facility surrounded by gates
Speaker 11: guarded by armed security personnel. Twenty four hours a day
Speaker 11: and is monitored by security cameras.
Speaker 7: Must have looked like a real Hollywood scene. I think
Speaker 7: it's very fitting after the Academy Awards last night.
Speaker 1: Amazingly enough, on this day, March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: as my dad sat in court being accused of masterminding
Speaker 1: a break in to steal evidence compiled against him, is
Speaker 1: also the same day he and I would be going
Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden to meet Michael Jordan.
Speaker 7: He hadn't work. Let me take it one step further.
Speaker 7: I think AT and T's violation of the seizure order
Speaker 7: is so egregious here that I'm going to have to
Speaker 7: order an immediate return of everything everything that was seized.
Speaker 1: This was huge. What the judge said was regardless of
Speaker 1: how the evidence went missing, AT and T mishandled it
Speaker 1: when it was in their possession. So because someone broke
Speaker 1: into the evidence locker, the judge ruled all the remaining
Speaker 1: evidence to be inadmissible and had to be returned to
Speaker 1: my father, which essentially meant the prosecution now had nothing
Speaker 1: to go on. So the judge ordered that AT and
Speaker 1: T's entire case be dropped. If you had a guess
Speaker 1: how that evidence became missing. Would you put it past them?
Speaker 5: I can tell you with eighty percent certainty, you took it.
Speaker 1: That's It's one of those things where it's not out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary for him to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get himself out of a situation. I mean, he
Speaker 1: drove a Caprice, an undercover cop car. He always was
Speaker 1: very familiar with the police department.
Speaker 5: It's a hard thing to speculate if he was involved
Speaker 5: in it, but it was just a very good piece
Speaker 5: of luck for him that they couldn't bring the case
Speaker 5: forward because the stuff was missing, and now there was,
Speaker 5: from what he told me, a countersuit that he had initiated.
Speaker 1: That's right, Mandy could have said, I won, this is over.
Speaker 1: I can now go on with my life. But that's
Speaker 1: not my father's style. Instead, he filed a countersuit against
Speaker 1: AT and T for failing to keep a detailed inventory
Speaker 1: of the item seized. My father claimed he was now
Speaker 1: missing World War Two medals belonging to my grandfather and
Speaker 1: an autograph collection belonging to me. Now I don't know
Speaker 1: about those medals, but as for those autographs, I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that was a lie, because all the
Speaker 1: sports memorabilia was kept in my bedroom, and everything was
Speaker 1: still there in the end, regardless of what was true
Speaker 1: or not. On April eighteenth, nineteen ninety five, AT and
Speaker 1: T settled the countersuit with my father for an undisclosed amount.
Speaker 1: So in one way, my father won, but he also
Speaker 1: lost because his battle in court with AT and T
Speaker 1: was a breaking point for my family, especially me. After
Speaker 1: years of sneaking into games at MSG, dodging calls from
Speaker 1: furniture customers he'd ripped off, wrecking competitors' payphones, I had enough.
Speaker 1: Every interaction with my father was wrapped up in schemes
Speaker 1: and lies, and I was done. The last time I
Speaker 1: saw him, I was fifteen, My parents were separated, and
Speaker 1: he'd come to one of my hockey games with my dog, Kobe.
Speaker 1: I asked when I could have my dog back, and
Speaker 1: he said, when your mother gives me what I need
Speaker 1: in the divorce. That was twenty four years ago. It's
Speaker 1: the last time I saw my dog or my father.
Speaker 1: Do you know where he lives or where you think
Speaker 1: he lives.
Speaker 5: No idea where he lives. Don't have a phone number,
Speaker 5: an email address, and I haven't even been tempted to
Speaker 5: google him.
Speaker 1: What do you think my dad's reaction would be to
Speaker 1: me reaching out?
Speaker 5: Honestly, your dad would welcome your reaching out. But it's
Speaker 5: my bias that's telling you this. It's my bias as
Speaker 5: a father, saying that I know things have been bad.
Speaker 5: I know I've screwed up. I wish I could somewhat
Speaker 5: get things back. If you were to reach out, he
Speaker 5: could respond in any number of ways. He might feel
Speaker 5: vindicated and then slam the door, say ha, he finally
Speaker 5: realized what a good guy was, but no interest any longer.
Speaker 5: Or he might say, hmm, this is an opportunity for me.
Speaker 5: What I can see is that he used to love
Speaker 5: taking you to games. Now how he got you to
Speaker 5: those games might have been different than how you'll take
Speaker 5: Sullivan to see NHL games or NBA games, or go
Speaker 5: to the mayor's mansion. But the joy that you're gonna
Speaker 5: have with Sullivan is the joy he had with you.
Speaker 5: This is your story, and you're going to have to
Speaker 5: decide what the next path is, what the direction you're
Speaker 5: gonna take is.
Speaker 1: On the next episode of Number One, Dad in.
Speaker 5: One thousand Feet turn right onto Darlington Avenue.
Speaker 1: I am on my way to Long Island once again.
Speaker 1: And the reason is because it's been two weeks since
Speaker 1: I started this thing and I still haven't heard back
Speaker 1: from my dad after leaving a message on what may
Speaker 1: or may not be his answer machine. I guess you
Speaker 1: could add that to the twenty four years he and
Speaker 1: I haven't spoken. So, using my best judgment, I've decided
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a stake out of my child
Speaker 1: at home. Number one Dad is a production of Radio Point,
Speaker 1: Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted
Speaker 1: by Gary Veter. Executive producers are Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett,
Speaker 1: Alex Bach, Daniel Powell, Huston Snyder, Kenneth Slotnik, and Brian Stern.
Speaker 1: Written by Gary Veeter and Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Kaminsky.
Speaker 1: Co producer is Taylor Kowalski, Edited and mix by Ian
Speaker 1: Sorrentino at Little Bear Audio Recording Engineer is kat Iosa.
Speaker 1: Original music by Andrew Gross Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda.
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