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Speaker 2: Watching him maneuver. That was where I thought that the

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Speaker 3: Go about things, some of the locations he would take

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind that many could have

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Speaker 5: I got a call from him one day saying, this

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Speaker 5: I believe from AT and T which will basically stopping

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Speaker 1: Then on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, I woke up

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Speaker 1: being raided by the US Marshals. Do you remember talking

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Speaker 5: I remember him saying that, oh, this one is bad.

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Speaker 5: They came over. They took pretty much everything from his office, files, computers,

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Speaker 5: AT and T. Following the proper legal route had gotten

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Speaker 1: I remember they came in and my dad being me

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Speaker 1: He goes, where are you taking my daddy's stuff? So

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Speaker 1: that's something that I had to say as a ten

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Speaker 5: I'm relieved that he didn't have you say yes, I'm

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Speaker 5: many veeter, how can I help you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my fault.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Guys. I was there that morning. I was

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Speaker 6: Only the marshals came and they started, you know, packing

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Speaker 2: And we were like still worried, like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 4: One day I got a phone call from rich who

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Speaker 4: was with Manny in the basement, and the marshals came

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Speaker 4: we would be prepping for deposition because rich and I

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Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, the raid came up in my last therapy session.

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Speaker 7: Gary, how did you feel when you saw the federal

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Speaker 7: agents coming in to raige your home.

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Speaker 1: I mean it might sound weird, but I remember not

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Speaker 1: being worried at all. My dad always felt like he

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Speaker 1: that he would be in trouble. If anything, I thought that,

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Speaker 1: that this happened. And then I just left for school.

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Speaker 1: This is number one Dad. So what's the latest, Gary

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Speaker 1: in tracking down your father. Well, I went and saw

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of in a position where at one

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Speaker 7: All Right, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Going good, So I know this is like a weird question.

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Speaker 8: So I have a number for my father, who I

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Speaker 9: as is we can pay a bill. If you're not

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Speaker 9: So I wouldn't be able to tell you the name,

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Speaker 8: It didn't well, So what happened was I called the

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Speaker 8: it sounds. It was like a robotic automated message, so

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Speaker 8: it's not like my dad's voice. And then I'm leaving

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Speaker 8: a message and then it just got like cut off,

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then so I don't know if it was received.

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Speaker 9: Okay, what's actually I think with a laydland on, hold on?

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Speaker 9: What's the phone number?

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Speaker 1: So it's six ' three one. What's what's his name,

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Speaker 1: Manny Veeder?

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Speaker 9: I mean that's the number that is showing on here.

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Speaker 8: Uh huh, that's associated with him.

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Speaker 2: So got it.

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Speaker 9: This was the last subject in the twenty twenty though.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, trying to figure out my next move

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Speaker 1: cousin Mason.

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Speaker 2: Manny was smart.

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Speaker 5: He never went to law school, but he learned the

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Speaker 1: My father's years of legal battles in court preparing would

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Speaker 5: He seemed to understand that the longer you delay any

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Speaker 1: My dad's employees at the time were Rich Petrick and

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Speaker 1: Mark Palmery, and they found themselves right in the middle

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Speaker 2: I remember me going to court with him.

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Speaker 6: The courthouse in Manhattan was always funny because we had

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Speaker 4: He was familiar with these court run ins, and he

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Speaker 4: petty sounding complaint, so like something wasn't returned, something was broken,

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Speaker 4: was not that big a deal. But the eighteen and

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Speaker 4: fired up, and they were saying some crazy stuff that

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Speaker 7: Good Morning calling. The case of AT and T Corp.

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Speaker 7: Versus Manny Vider.

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Speaker 1: My Father's Child began November seventh, nineteen ninety four, on

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Speaker 1: Long Island. The voices you're about to hear are actors,

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Speaker 1: but the words were all recorded by a court stenographer.

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Speaker 7: Good Morning, your honor.

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Speaker 10: The defendant many Veder is engaged in a continuing scheme

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Speaker 10: of passing themselves off as an AT and T personnel

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Speaker 10: using counterfeit AT and T logos in order to install

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Speaker 10: pay telephones at local retail stores and to foice the

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Speaker 10: defendant's version of pay telephone service on the public. The

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Speaker 10: defendant has used various aliases, including Many wolf Mark, wolf

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Speaker 10: m Wolfman, Milton Wolfman, Menachem Vider, among others. The scheme

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Speaker 10: has been so successful that the defendant has acquired over

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Speaker 10: two hundred customers in a few year span.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I still have it.

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Speaker 6: Like a sweatshirt that was from Manny, Like he had

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Speaker 6: these blue sweatshirts sprinted up and had a little AT

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Speaker 6: and it was like, you know, we were just absolutely

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Speaker 6: representing that we were AT and T. When you start

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Speaker 6: this thing and you're working for somebody, you don't know,

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Speaker 2: You know, twenty years old, naive, you don't know like.

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Speaker 6: If he really works for ATT, he's a subcontractor The

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Speaker 11: Mister Burke, this case is not about counterfeiting, while the

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Speaker 11: defendant has used plaintiff's trademarks a practice witch immediately terminated

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Speaker 11: by the defendant. After receiving notice of this action, mister

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Speaker 11: Veeder took affirmative steps to avoid confusion between his company

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Speaker 11: and plaintiff AT and T.

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Speaker 7: Mister Burke, I do have a check here, which I

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Speaker 7: believe is September ninth, is it? I'm looking at Exhibit.

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Speaker 2: B, your honor.

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Speaker 11: If you look at that check, you'll see that it

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Speaker 11: states that Payphone Plus is a provider of AT and

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Speaker 11: right choice of trademarks of American Telephone and Telegraph.

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Speaker 7: I think what I'm saying to you, however, mister Burke,

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Speaker 7: is why does the check have the logo of the Globeonet.

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Speaker 2: Your honor?

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Speaker 11: These checks are no longer in use.

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Speaker 2: We have new checks.

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Speaker 11: Yes, indeed, there is a dispute.

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Speaker 7: But that joinder is that it was used I believe

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Speaker 10: We discovered that he never seesoned assistant and in fact

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Speaker 1: At this point in the trial, the court entered a

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Speaker 1: preliminary injunction as a result of the items discovered at

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Speaker 1: the seizure. When my house was raided by the US marshals,

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Speaker 1: my father was ordered to immediately stop identifying himself as

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Speaker 1: a represent of AT and T. But things were also

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Speaker 1: my uncle, and my grandparents, anyone they could get to

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Speaker 1: for him, he's going to make it twice as difficult

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Speaker 10: Mister Veter has been talking to witnesses and telling them

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Speaker 10: of different dates for depositions, so that after we subpoena

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Speaker 10: someone for a date, we called them to confirm they're

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Speaker 10: coming and they say, oh, mister Veto told us it's

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Speaker 10: a different day. In addition, mister Palmieri testified yesterday that

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Speaker 10: mister Veter spoke to him when they heard he was

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Speaker 10: being subpoened and told him if he avoids the subpoena,

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Speaker 10: he doesn't have to come.

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Speaker 4: So both Rich and I did. Eventually we had to

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Speaker 4: faces they hated Manny. It looks like it looked like

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Speaker 4: they wanted to kill him. Snarling, sneering, you know, these leering,

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how my dad was responding to the

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Speaker 4: I distinctly remember Manny just looking back at them with

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Speaker 4: You know, they've said that Manny deliberately damaged other AT

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Speaker 1: His lawyers for AT and T brought up Manny's criminal past,

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Speaker 10: Defendant veter impersonated a New York telephone company employee by

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Speaker 10: resulting in criminal conviction. Defendant Veter is also the subject

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Speaker 1: Between my father's criminal past and the insurmountable amount of

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Speaker 12: They had no basis to seek a seizure order. A

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Speaker 12: seizure order is reserved for counterfeiters. This case has no

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Speaker 12: counterfeit goods. They knew that mister Veder had been purchasing

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Speaker 7: The law is very clear, I'm very familiar with it.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for my father, the judge found the seizure to

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Speaker 1: my father's payphone business, Payphone Plus, was still operational. He

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Speaker 1: One of the places he had business was at a

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Speaker 1: mobbed up strip club in Rego Park, Queen's named Wiggles.

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Speaker 4: These are made mafia guys, and every time we would enter,

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Speaker 4: Manny was greeted warmly. He would hang out, they would

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Speaker 2: It made me uncomfortable with the owner. There was like

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Speaker 1: That sketchy owner was Vinnie Palermo, also known as Vinnie Ocean,

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Speaker 1: Jersey Decavalcanti crime family. It said that Vinnie was the

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Speaker 1: implicating several Decavalcanti family members of various crimes. He's currently

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Speaker 4: Manny had said that those guys had offer to find

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Speaker 4: the lawyers for AT and T and put them in

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Speaker 4: their fridge, their walk in fridge, and Manny had turned

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Speaker 4: found taps. He found that they were actually being spied

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Speaker 4: And so he's like a hero in this circle.

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Speaker 1: Knowing my father, he put those wiretaps on the phone

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Speaker 1: himself and then told those guys he found them. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly how his brain works. Meanwhile, around the same time,

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Speaker 10: There has been a harassment of counsel in the manner

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Speaker 10: I was in a supermarket having nothing to do with

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Speaker 10: this case. This is all part and parcel we believe

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Speaker 11: The valve of my tire from the word go, they

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Speaker 11: continued to hurrow accusations at mister Veeder without a single

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Speaker 7: Mister Burke, as I tell some criminal defendants when they

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Speaker 7: about an activity of somebody and harassment of witnesses or obstruction.

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Speaker 11: You're drawing an analogy between the defendant who's had his

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Speaker 7: I'm tired of hearing that as an excuse for your

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Speaker 7: no need to make an excuse, is there There is

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Speaker 7: no excuse? Good.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't only my father who was playing dirty. So

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Speaker 11: I've been informed that certain customers, due to contacts from

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Speaker 11: AT and T, are just shutting down mister Veeter's phones.

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Speaker 11: They're putting out of order signs on them. They would

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Speaker 11: love to drag this case out for a few more months,

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Speaker 11: because by then mister Veeter will probably be out.

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Speaker 10: Of business, Your honor, He doesn't abide by his own agreement,

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Speaker 10: and he does not listen.

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Speaker 5: To the court order.

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Speaker 1: Things were getting pretty serious for my father and he

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Speaker 1: was hoping to gain some leniency. I know this because

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Speaker 1: inside the massive stack of court documents I found a

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Speaker 1: letter he sent to the judge. Dear Judge Platt, I

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Speaker 1: write this letter to you on behalf of my wife,

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Speaker 1: Sherry and myself, Manny Veter. Since the onslaught of this case,

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Speaker 1: which began to unfold in your courtroom in October nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four, our lives have been turned inside out, not

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Speaker 1: largest corporations. Their actions have taken an extreme financial, mental,

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Speaker 1: and physical toll on my family as well as myself.

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Speaker 1: To date, we have spent twenty thousand dollars defending this suit.

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Speaker 1: The money has been borrowed to pay our attorneys in

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Speaker 1: hope of a speedy resolution, but our combined family income

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Speaker 1: I have to support a family of five. My attorney

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Speaker 1: has advised me that he would like me to release

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Speaker 1: him at this point from this litigation because I have

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Speaker 1: legal costs. Chief Judge Platt, I must see you as

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Speaker 1: soon as possible. It is of the utmost urgency that

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Speaker 1: you were made aware of certain pressures that are being

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Speaker 1: put to us by certain parties. Sign Manny Veter, did

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Speaker 1: you talk with my dad while the trial was going on,

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Speaker 1: specifically about the things they took during the raid?

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Speaker 5: I said, you know where it went or something's that

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Speaker 5: effect we were talking about. I'm sure they have it

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Speaker 5: in some warehouse somewhere. They're going through the files. I

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Speaker 5: think he mentioned, ooh, they took all sorts of sports memory,

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Speaker 5: timing is right for I believe your your fake Sports

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the exact same time we were pretending

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Speaker 1: to work for Sports Illustrated for Kids that the Marshalls

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Speaker 5: Right, So when your dad was sharing that this happened,

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Speaker 5: I could tell that he was kind of taken aback.

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Speaker 5: I think he truly was sorry, not necessarily about what

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Speaker 5: think he saw that there was real potential for significant

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Speaker 5: get resolved? And I remember one discussion where he said,

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Speaker 5: you wouldn't believe what happened. You know, I told you

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Speaker 2: I said yeah.

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Speaker 5: He says, well, I had it in a warehouse, and

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Speaker 5: somehow the warehouse was broken into and a whole bunch

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Speaker 5: now I can't get back my personal stuff.

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Speaker 1: Improved my innocence, that's right. Mysteriously, a large amount of

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Speaker 7: During the overnight period. It is my understanding that some

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Speaker 5: That is correct, your honor.

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Speaker 10: Mister Veda broke into the secured AT and T facility

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Speaker 10: and stole twenty boxes of documents.

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Speaker 11: Mister Veet denies any involvement in the alleged theft, Your honor,

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Speaker 11: This is another baseless allegation. This alleged theft took place

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Speaker 7: Must have looked like a real Hollywood scene. I think

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Speaker 7: it's very fitting after the Academy Awards last night.

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Speaker 1: Amazingly enough, on this day, March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 1: as my dad sat in court being accused of masterminding

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Speaker 7: He hadn't work. Let me take it one step further.

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Speaker 7: I think AT and T's violation of the seizure order

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Speaker 7: order an immediate return of everything everything that was seized.

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Speaker 1: This was huge. What the judge said was regardless of

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Speaker 1: when it was in their possession. So because someone broke

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Speaker 1: my father, which essentially meant the prosecution now had nothing

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Speaker 1: to go on. So the judge ordered that AT and

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Speaker 1: how that evidence became missing. Would you put it past them?

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Speaker 5: I can tell you with eighty percent certainty, you took it.

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Speaker 1: That's It's one of those things where it's not out

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Speaker 5: It's a hard thing to speculate if he was involved

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Speaker 5: from what he told me, a countersuit that he had initiated.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Mandy could have said, I won, this is over.

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Speaker 1: I can now go on with my life. But that's

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Speaker 1: AT and T for failing to keep a detailed inventory

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Speaker 1: an autograph collection belonging to me. Now I don't know

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Speaker 1: So in one way, my father won, but he also

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Speaker 1: lost because his battle in court with AT and T

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Speaker 1: furniture customers he'd ripped off, wrecking competitors' payphones, I had enough.

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Speaker 1: Every interaction with my father was wrapped up in schemes

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Speaker 1: he'd come to one of my hockey games with my dog, Kobe.

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Speaker 1: I asked when I could have my dog back, and

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Speaker 1: he said, when your mother gives me what I need

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Speaker 1: Do you know where he lives or where you think

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Speaker 1: he lives.

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Speaker 5: No idea where he lives. Don't have a phone number,

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Speaker 1: What do you think my dad's reaction would be to

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Speaker 5: Honestly, your dad would welcome your reaching out. But it's

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Speaker 5: my bias that's telling you this. It's my bias as

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Speaker 5: a father, saying that I know things have been bad.

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Speaker 5: I know I've screwed up. I wish I could somewhat

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Speaker 5: get things back. If you were to reach out, he

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Speaker 5: could respond in any number of ways. He might feel

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Speaker 5: vindicated and then slam the door, say ha, he finally

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Speaker 5: realized what a good guy was, but no interest any longer.

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Speaker 5: Or he might say, hmm, this is an opportunity for me.

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Speaker 5: What I can see is that he used to love

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Speaker 5: taking you to games. Now how he got you to

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Speaker 5: those games might have been different than how you'll take

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Speaker 5: Sullivan to see NHL games or NBA games, or go

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Speaker 5: to the mayor's mansion. But the joy that you're gonna

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Speaker 5: have with Sullivan is the joy he had with you.

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Speaker 5: This is your story, and you're going to have to

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Speaker 5: decide what the next path is, what the direction you're

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Speaker 5: gonna take is.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Number One, Dad in.

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Speaker 5: One thousand Feet turn right onto Darlington Avenue.

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Speaker 1: I am on my way to Long Island once again.

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Speaker 1: And the reason is because it's been two weeks since

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Speaker 1: I started this thing and I still haven't heard back

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Speaker 1: from my dad after leaving a message on what may

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Speaker 1: or may not be his answer machine. I guess you

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Speaker 1: could add that to the twenty four years he and

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Speaker 1: I haven't spoken. So, using my best judgment, I've decided

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a stake out of my child

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Speaker 1: at home. Number one Dad is a production of Radio Point,

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Speaker 1: Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted

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Speaker 1: by Gary Veter. Executive producers are Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett,

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Speaker 1: Alex Bach, Daniel Powell, Huston Snyder, Kenneth Slotnik, and Brian Stern.

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Speaker 1: Written by Gary Veeter and Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Kaminsky.

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Speaker 1: Co producer is Taylor Kowalski, Edited and mix by Ian

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Speaker 1: Sorrentino at Little Bear Audio Recording Engineer is kat Iosa.

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Speaker 1: Original music by Andrew Gross Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda.

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