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Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke, Season six. Jack has been

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Speaker 1: a good It's been a good run. Man, let's run, bro,

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Speaker 1: It's been a good three days. We started off with

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Speaker 1: some interviews and then we did a live stream yesterday and.

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Speaker 2: Now we got some epic interviews to some great sit downs.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is someone that that I haven't known but

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Speaker 1: just been a fan.

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Speaker 2: Of just his approach to life and his.

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Speaker 1: Realism and his is not afraid to speak truth to

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Speaker 1: power and and and give people game in this crazy world.

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Speaker 1: A prolific artist, actor, activist, writer, does a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things. Dad, Welcome to the show man, Vic mensa

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Speaker 1: apppreciate man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks good, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: As I was telling you before you said, I was

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Speaker 1: trying to find bro an orange tree, I was gonna have.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna buy a whole orange tree. So he

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Speaker 1: could have just walked through the door, grabbed him an

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Speaker 1: orange and got into an element. So even all the

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Speaker 1: Smoke couldn't do that. So we tried. But y'all know

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Speaker 1: each other. How do you guys know each other?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an event in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Somebody he knew I had and Al Harington had without

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Speaker 4: across event. Yeah, we got a chance to meet and

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Speaker 4: talk for a minute. But we had a good conversation too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those guys by Yola, they kind of like stewarded

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Speaker 5: me in the cannabis business. That's what I do back

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Speaker 5: in Illinois, and it was their event and that's where

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Speaker 5: we met, and I just always have been a fan

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Speaker 5: of your perspectives. I think that was probably early if

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Speaker 5: this is season six, that was probably like right when

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Speaker 5: you're that was like twenty twenty ish, really that long.

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Speaker 2: It was a while back. Yeah, no, key, that was

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Speaker 2: probably around the time when it started here.

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Speaker 1: We started with late eighteen, nineteen nineteen. Yeah, so we

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Speaker 1: were here, man, still doing it.

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Speaker 2: And I love what y'all doing too.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I think like something that's been a beautiful development and

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Speaker 5: culture that I think hip hop got from sports is

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Speaker 5: that some of the like all the statesmen of the

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Speaker 5: game have become primary mouthpieces of the culture. And I

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Speaker 5: think that's like that's what we need we as a people.

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Speaker 5: We are an ancestral people and people that have reverence

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Speaker 5: for the elders, like hip hop. I offer felt like, man,

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Speaker 5: they be discarding the elders, you know, But now recently

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Speaker 5: with Nori and Joe Budden and you know others Jada

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Speaker 5: and Joe, people are become those those people with the

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Speaker 5: most validity in their perspective are like becoming primary mouth

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Speaker 5: pieces for the culture. So I believe that's what y'all

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Speaker 5: are doing here too, And I just you know, as

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Speaker 5: your younger.

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Speaker 2: Brother, appreciate, appreciate you, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: You're someone who's very outspoken out a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: particularly people kind of being lost in their phones and

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Speaker 1: phone times. What do you want your platform to stand

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Speaker 1: for when it comes to social media?

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Speaker 5: I guess social media is you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 5: just a vessel right now. That's where people are coming

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Speaker 5: in contact with new ideas and coming in contact with

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Speaker 5: the news what's happening in the world. So I guess

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Speaker 5: I just have always felt like my purpose is to

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Speaker 5: bring truth to the people. So I guess that my

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Speaker 5: platform with social media would be.

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Speaker 1: That very outspoken amongst other very a lot of others

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Speaker 1: about this administration and the tactics they use which to

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Speaker 1: try to enforce fake laws. But you've urged the people

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Speaker 1: Chicago to unify and be intentional in their actions. We

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Speaker 1: asked Michelle Obama this maybe two months ago. If we

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Speaker 1: have to continue to go high when they go low?

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Speaker 1: And she paused for a second, she said, she said no,

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Speaker 1: but we want to be strategic in our moves and

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Speaker 1: our actions and our emotions. And you utter, Michelle, you

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Speaker 1: had a very you had a very famous quote.

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Speaker 2: When they go low, we go high.

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Speaker 1: And we still have to go high.

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Speaker 3: We'll get there, but we.

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Speaker 2: Won't go there.

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Speaker 6: The true answer is, you know, no.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it was good at the moment. Let's meeting where

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Speaker 3: they're at now.

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Speaker 6: You know, here's the thing. Going going high is about

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Speaker 6: being te strategic, right, And that's really my point. That

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Speaker 6: doesn't mean you don't feel it emotionally, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 6: you don't get angry, you know, but that means that

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Speaker 6: our response needs to be strategic and have a goal

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Speaker 6: beyond us just being mad, because that's just you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to waste my mad, right, So let's

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Speaker 6: you know, let's let's be thoughtful about what we say,

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Speaker 6: why we say it, what's the plan where we headed?

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Speaker 6: You know, that's what going high is.

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Speaker 7: Gotcha, you think I got some mad to waste, It's gone.

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Speaker 7: I'm a lot of mad. You got from somebody else

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Speaker 7: similar sentiments. What does that look like for you? You know,

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Speaker 7: I was watching videos of New York today. Anybody's seen

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Speaker 7: that just walking around like people that just New York.

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Speaker 5: Ice is in New York City right now, and the

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Speaker 5: New Yorkers are mobilizing. They start tackle a man, put

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Speaker 5: race on the ass. And by the end of the

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Speaker 5: video it's like one hundred New Yorkers, like, get all

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Speaker 5: of art down.

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Speaker 2: Like that was a terrible New York accent.

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Speaker 5: But they was moving on ice and they were doing

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Speaker 5: it as a unit, as one, and it was beautiful

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Speaker 5: to me. And honestly, it was kind of everything that

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Speaker 5: I had hoped to see from Chicago. You know, as

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Speaker 5: I've been urging people to have unity and intention. To

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Speaker 5: me that that in no way, shape or form means

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Speaker 5: accepting abuse, but that does mean.

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Speaker 2: Overcoming division. And what I thought about when I.

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Speaker 5: Saw New Yorker was, oh, New Yorkers are forced to

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Speaker 5: deal with each other every day, they walk everywhere, they

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Speaker 5: share a subway. Chicago is an incredibly segregated city. So

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Speaker 5: when things have popped off in Chicago, there's so much

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Speaker 5: division between the racial groups, between the Black community and

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Speaker 5: the Latino community, that everybody's still thinking, Oh, this should

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Speaker 5: just be you, you know what I mean, Like, I

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Speaker 5: don't know why why they choking the black man by

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Speaker 2: They're supposed to be choking Mexicans. You know, that was

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Speaker 5: And it's not to be finger wagging at the black community,

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Speaker 5: because you know there's validity and disagreement and the disagreements

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Speaker 5: that exist, but it's to look beyond that and to

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Speaker 5: recognize that even our segregation, even our division, even the

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Speaker 5: things that separate us, our manufactured and that's a perfect strategy.

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Speaker 2: For that's what the capital overlooks.

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Speaker 1: They keep us if they can't come together, they can't.

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Speaker 2: Get us, keep us button heads.

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Speaker 5: And and something I think about is that the systematic

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Speaker 5: removal of our profits, of our Marcus Garveries, of our

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Speaker 5: chim Fred Hamptons, is also the obscuring of their information

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Speaker 5: and their accomplishments. Like Chemi Fred Hapton was killed at

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Speaker 5: twenty one. Had created the Rainbow Coalition where he connected

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Speaker 2: Was a Puerto Rican group with like poor white group,

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Speaker 2: you know, what I mean, these were This was the

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Speaker 2: Brainbow Coalition. This is the seventies. They already figured this out.

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Speaker 5: Like we literally already figured out that the blacks, the Latinos,

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Speaker 5: and the poor whites are supposed to.

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Speaker 1: Be unified, and we all have the same struggles, just

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Speaker 1: different colors. But some people don't let that color. Won't

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Speaker 1: get over that color.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what happens though, when you when you uproot,

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Speaker 5: when you uproot the tree, you don't allow the roots

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Speaker 5: to spread. So here we are, how many years later,

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Speaker 5: like what fifty sixty years later, and we haven't been

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Speaker 5: able to build upon the information that our ancestors already

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Speaker 5: figured out because co intel pro you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: It's like, but I love to see that in New

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Speaker 5: York though, I was like, Okay, cool, there's somewhere that

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Speaker 5: people are recognizing that we're all under attack here, Like

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Speaker 5: it doesn't make sense to be divided.

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Speaker 4: It's always been a crazy situation in Chicago, Like it

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Speaker 4: started with when it was trying to turn to Venezuelans

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Speaker 3: Can you talk about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the situation with the Venezuelan and immigrants.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's insidious and brilliant political maneuver by Texas Governor

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Speaker 5: Greg Abbot because they actually bust all of these Venezuelan

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Speaker 5: I partnered with local restaurants and was giving people food

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Speaker 5: So people showing up with flip flops, they got babies

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Speaker 5: with them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know or care what you believe.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's baby is supposed to freeze in the wintertime anywhere,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I actually caught a

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Speaker 5: lot of heat for providing for that community because immediately

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Speaker 5: it created division in the city. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: because the reality of the black experience is that being

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Speaker 5: any disaster, any crisis, is going to hit us first,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. As Katrina, you know, any

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Speaker 5: So you know, one of my man's he came out

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Speaker 2: I helped him come home from prison.

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Speaker 5: He was locked up at fourteen for twenty five years,

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Speaker 5: just like travesty and you know, by the grace of God.

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Speaker 5: And actually the governor of Illinois who was able to

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Speaker 5: trying to get some of that housing that they often

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Speaker 5: he couldn't actually get none because it had been liven

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Speaker 5: to the Venezuela and Asylumn seekerts.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: But they set that type of ship up on purpose,

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Speaker 5: you know, to make black people. And he's woke, so

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Speaker 5: he like, man, I'm not falling for that. I'm not

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Speaker 5: going to let that make me hate my own people,

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Speaker 5: you know. But you see how they do it. So

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Speaker 5: they sent to Venezuelan migrants immigrants, is what I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 5: because I feel like migrants is kind of loaded. Sent

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Speaker 5: them to Chicago two years ago, and two years to

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Speaker 5: get their ass and fuck us up.

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Speaker 2: I mean in the process.

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Speaker 5: It's real tricky, and people forget what happened two years ago,

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Speaker 5: because brother, it's been like wars, got damn so.

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Speaker 1: Much other shit going on. Yeah, that's the thing you

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Speaker 1: get lost in the sauce.

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Speaker 2: I played in Venezuela. And there's some beautiful people too.

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Speaker 5: What.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I played out there, how was that? I loved it?

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Speaker 4: I was eighteen my first day there. That's when I

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Speaker 4: told you. The kid jumped off a bridge to two

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Speaker 4: cars in front of me my first day there. But

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Speaker 4: as my time spunt there, those people are.

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Speaker 2: Great people, beautiful people.

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Speaker 1: That's dope, beautiful Where you said you left all your

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Speaker 1: money there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I made thirty thousand. I probably came home like

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Speaker 4: two hundred dollars. What did mo if it go to

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Speaker 4: the women every time? And I only going fifty dollars

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Speaker 5: That's policy, racist institutional policy by which black people were

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Speaker 3: So then it was done. The tension.

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Speaker 4: Chicago has been a poster child for gun and gang violence.

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Speaker 2: And it went from me just showing love to the

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, yeah, who said what about what? Well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bro, like like two months after this, Wow, you

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Speaker 4: People don't know what actually transpired, but yeah, just but

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Speaker 5: They don't necessarily sound like you like checking in, but

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Speaker 3: That's what they tried to spend it to. Nobody said that.

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Speaker 3: Nobody Block said that. That's they just want. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like, man, that's beautiful because we've

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Speaker 2: Like that's the antidote to fear. Gun violence, gang violence

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Speaker 5: Starts with the youth, man, And I think it's like

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Speaker 2: That's the exact.

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Speaker 5: Opposite of the things that create safety, like after school

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Speaker 5: to remember the Chicago is surrounded by a bunch of

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Speaker 5: Guns are not manufactured in Chicago. They don't got a

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Speaker 2: I mean, I used to have my guy when I

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Speaker 5: Guns ain't smooth, But he just go to Indiana and

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Speaker 2: You don't got to say shit about shit, you know

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Speaker 5: Show up to like a trade show or something. Get

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Speaker 2: So Chicago, Yeah, I think it's housing, affordable housing, even nutrition.

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Speaker 5: People are eating honey buns and how cheetos for breakfast

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Speaker 2: And then you see black men are dying wild young.

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Speaker 5: Like that shit killing niggas probably more isn't heart disease

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Speaker 5: I'll say, it's a dude on Instagram. I highly advise

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Speaker 5: dude political analysts kind of like talks about a lot

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Speaker 2: I do dos discourse. He had his video where he

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Speaker 5: You in one rap verse what is going on in

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Speaker 2: Working, I'm rob me a person.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, it's a simple equation. It ain't

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Speaker 3: More to it. You know.

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Speaker 5: It's like people don't have access to basic human necessities and.

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Speaker 2: It's out of reach for a lot of people, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, I think obviously you touched

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Speaker 1: you can eat, It's the school, the schooling and what

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Speaker 1: are we gonna put their hands when we tell them

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Speaker 1: to put down the guns, you know, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: And most of the time it's nothing.

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Speaker 2: No, that's real, I mean. And I feel like education

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Speaker 5: I was having a conversation with one of my business

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like he's a well.

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Speaker 5: Meaning dude, He's not from our communities and shit like that.

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Speaker 5: But you know he was like, at what point can

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And I do think.

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Speaker 5: Education, like the pushing the value of education so kids realize, like, yo,

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Speaker 5: I can, I can be him through education, Like I

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Speaker 5: don't just have to follow these you know, these certain

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Speaker 5: dope deal, which is crazy that they kind of all

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Speaker 3: Were great.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately up.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: But man, man, the kids gotta feel like, yo, go

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I do music

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Speaker 5: and y'all do sports. And you got some people clearly

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Speaker 5: But I'm sure most of the other people in the

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Speaker 5: now you're all a unit, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 5: I feel like the youth of Chicago need to see

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Speaker 5: other things. So that's why I think upholding our history

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Speaker 2: And shit like that. Like, Yo, we gotta shine light on.

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Speaker 5: That because y'all got massive platforms. I mean, we all

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Speaker 5: have platforms that it's important to shine light on other

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Speaker 4: Who are some people that's fighting good fight in the

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Speaker 5: It's an organization called Good Kids, Mad City. It's one

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Speaker 5: of my favorite organizations in the city. Invisible Institute ASADA's Daughters.

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Speaker 5: I would definitely always tell people to tap in with

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Speaker 2: Oh there's a young dude, Jay Will. He's another guy

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Speaker 5: They started more recently called like Jam and they're just

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Speaker 1: Four of them, right, Yeah, those are my little homies.

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Speaker 1: I do some work with them on the political side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Smart, they're smart, super smart, just sharp, Like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I shot some shit with them in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: They Yeah, they informed and they know what they're talking about,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I think that's important

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Speaker 1: Yes, so mis information this information.

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Speaker 4: Then I was always always able to listen to music

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Speaker 4: I can say that weak minded with all the bulls.

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Speaker 4: Should that be in music? Should it affect the youth

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Speaker 4: so much the way it do?

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00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: Now?

443
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: Man, that's a feedback loop though, you know, because.

444
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 5: The hood's fucked up, So the artists rap about the

445
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 5: hood being fucked up, and the next generation learns how

446
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 5: to continue to fuck the hood.

447
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: Up times two, you know what I mean? Worse? Yeah,

448
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: for sure.

449
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 5: It gets more potent. It's like snowball effect. It's hard

450
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 5: to say that.

451
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: People that don't know better should do better.

452
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 5: And that's not a judgment on anybody, you know what

453
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 5: I mean. That's just like I think, if you do

454
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 5: know better, then it's important to like push something else.

455
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 5: I mean, to push something positive, to push something mean.

456
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 5: And I think about this a lot though, because America

457
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 5: would convince you that to be as violent as possible

458
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 5: is a sure fire way to succeed. I mean, twenty

459
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 5: twenty five in our modern world, kill a nigga on

460
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 5: camera right now, get away with it and be a rapper.

461
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 5: You going to the top?

462
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: Like, which is crazy.

463
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 5: It's so many times that I've seen an artist start

464
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 5: to blow up and then I'd be like, man, you

465
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 5: know what's going on.

466
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: They'd be like, man, you know, he smoked the motherfucker

467
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 2: like in real life. You know, I'd be like, oh.

468
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 5: That sounds kind of he sounds kind of valid, you know,

469
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 5: Like it's just in the mind. It's like a poison

470
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 5: in the mind. It is like we value that, So

471
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 5: I guess that's also on us, Like we what do

472
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 5: we choose.

473
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: To support and platform?

474
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 5: And it's just like It's complex, you know, because still

475
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 5: though I love black Man. So even though I'm saying

476
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 5: like and I love what we have to tribute, you

477
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Even though I'm saying what I'm saying.

478
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Still I still fuck with the Drill Rappers, you know

479
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I fuck with them. I work with them. Look,

480
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: I love their music, you know what I mean. I

481
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: don't know how we break free of that ship because

482
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: that ship is hot or Yeah.

483
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 5: I was dying when they said that you guys had

484
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen or earlier today because I was thinking about

485
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen the other day and I was thinking about how,

486
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 5: no matter what level of success you achieve, you will

487
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 5: always invariably deal with.

488
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: Hating ask comments from the public, and that will.

489
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: Always have the possibility to fuck up your inner piece,

490
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 5: unless you really develop an inner piece so unbreaking that

491
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 5: nothing can shake it. One time I was I was

492
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 5: riding down I don't know, sunset, many.

493
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Years ago, maybe ten years ago. I look at the window,

494
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: thought I saw trying she You know what I'm saying.

495
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: So I was like, Charlie Sheen.

496
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: Man.

497
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino turned around.

498
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: Man, you should have seen the look on Tarantino's face

499
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 5: when I called him Charlie Sheen, And in that moment,

500
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 5: I knew, you can make all the illness shit of

501
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: all time, and the nigga can still ruin your fucking death.

502
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: You shit, that's good.

503
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's uh you'r upbringing Chicago Hide Park. Paint

504
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: the picture of your childhood. Mixed race, popsa immigrant from Ghana.

505
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: Moms is a white American.

506
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: What was that like for you?

507
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 5: Growing up by Rachel High Park is an amazing place here.

508
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 5: My father's from Ghana, my mom is white from upstate

509
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 5: New York. Honestly, man, being young and of mixed race,

510
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 5: it like emotionally pained me.

511
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

512
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: I drink ayahuasca and shit like that. I'm deep in

513
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: the psychophilics.

514
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: I want to learn that peyote and all that ship.

515
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna sit down. We already talk in the same city.

516
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Let's get it, yo, man, that's my ship, bro.

517
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: So I've been I've been talking about this, right, I'm

518
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: not staying.

519
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: Macro ship And he said.

520
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: Micro and Macro.

521
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: I'm doping, you know what I'm saying. And the first

522
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: time I did ayahuasca, I was mad, depressed.

523
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: It's ten years ago. I was asking myself, why do

524
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: I feel so much pain?

525
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 5: And at the point in time, the medicine it spoke

526
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 5: to me and it was like I used to want

527
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: blue eyes. That is the root of my pain, and man,

528
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 5: it hit me like lightning bulk because I don't consciously

529
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: remember that, but I do remember as a child.

530
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: Being like.

531
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: I wish I could just be black, or we could

532
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 5: just be white, you know what I mean, and feel

533
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 5: fully accepted human beings. We crave acceptance, we long heard acceptance,

534
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 5: and I think being of mixed race as a kid,

535
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: I felt a lack of that acceptance. But growing older,

536
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 5: I think I lashed out to try to compensate for

537
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 5: that hurt absolutely, you know, and started to be very

538
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 5: violent because I'm like, man, okay, I'm gonna punch this

539
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 5: nigga in the face and then it don't matter what

540
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 5: what's going on, you know, what judgment was somebody might

541
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 5: have of me, And I live my life that way

542
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: for a long ass time.

543
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: I ain't punched the nigga in the face without boxing gloves.

544
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: On for like four years, five years, And now I

545
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 5: kind of feel like being of mixed race, not kind of.

546
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: I feel like.

547
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 5: Being of mixed race gives me a unique perspective and

548
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: ability to communicate and connect to people, you know, because

549
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: somebody might not look at me and know that half

550
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: of my family is.

551
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: White, like I really can have.

552
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 5: I can resonate with you fully as fully as I'm

553
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: able to on that level because I understand.

554
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: I understand you as a white person and as a

555
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: black person. You know.

556
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's talked about it because I'm

557
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Italian Black and the same thing. It's just like when

558
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: you are younger, there's no side to run to. You're

559
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: not black enough, you're not white enough. So I fought

560
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: my way to acceptance literally and through my through my career,

561
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And there's a lot that

562
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: builds up behind that because there are no outlets for

563
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: us to release it express it. The fact that we've

564
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: been talking about that, you know, is, you know, it's

565
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: not a very common conversation. So it's interesting to know

566
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: that was kind of some of the root of your pain,

567
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: that that carried with you into manhood.

568
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: Yo, how did you feel when you heard that Kanye

569
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: verse crazy? I was there with him when he recorded oh.

570
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Were you the thirty hours?

571
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty hours and he's freestyling and he's like, I'm

572
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: a drive thirty hours, like man bars and pushingnigg in

573
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 5: the face.

574
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: That was so gold bro.

575
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: Us in the building.

576
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: That ship turned into urban legend, you know what I mean.

577
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was I heard I said that ship

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: was wild. But it's all that ship is rooted in

579
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: my childhood.

580
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Though.

581
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I remember in third grade I went and moved from

582
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: the Bay to l a excuse me, the Sacramento call

583
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: me nigga. My mom used to try to console me.

584
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: Uh fight him to call you nigga.

585
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: Fight him.

586
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: So at nine years old, I just started fighting for

587
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: acceptance and that ship ran for a long time.

588
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: Yo.

589
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 5: I had the exact same experience being like in my

590
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 5: in my call the Sack, you know where I live,

591
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: there was a kid, a white kid who was like.

592
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Super ad D.

593
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 5: You know, this was my homie, but he was he

594
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 5: was off the rails, you know. So he started calling

595
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: me nigga. It wasn't like my nigga, it was like niggah.

596
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 5: And uh so there was some there was some other

597
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 5: mixed black kids that lived over there. I say, man,

598
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: what do I do you know when he called me

599
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 5: nigga and uh, they were like, man, you know, call

600
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: him a cracker.

601
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: So he called me nigga again. I called him cracker.

602
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: He just called me nigga again.

603
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 5: So I just speat his ass and I was like, Okay,

604
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: this must be the solution.

605
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Ship with some ass period,

606
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: that's the only way.

607
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: So always everybody don't understand discourse. They don't understand watching

608
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: them out.

609
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, that's funny. After that ship happened and

610
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: the Kanye shit came out, I remember I was in

611
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: a press conference. Guy I got suspended and I said,

612
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, well, violence is never the answer, but sometimes

613
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: it is. And they hit me for fifty K for

614
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: that comment. Fuck them, But sometimes people's hard hit that's

615
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: how they learned. I want to touch on this, this

616
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: ayahuasca though, what what What has it done for you?

617
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: And it made you look at life different and perceive

618
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: different everything?

619
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 5: Man, Between ahuaca mushrooms, peyote, I only did that once.

620
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: I only did that once.

621
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: But ayahuasca mushrooms have been like a serious part of

622
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: my life for a long ass time now, and I

623
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 5: attribute a lot of a lot of transformation, a lot

624
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: of growth to psychedelics. I feel like a psychedelic experience

625
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: can be years of therapy all at once, you know.

626
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: And ayahuasca specifically, it reduces you to this soul space

627
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: where somebody's race or somebody's physical appearance is no longer significant,

628
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because you kind of resonating

629
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: with the room or a spiritual level, a deeper spiritual level,

630
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 5: and it answers very specific particular questions.

631
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: Ayahuasca is like.

632
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: The grandmother's spirits what they call it, And you would

633
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 5: ask questions of the medicine, like I said, why do

634
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: I feel so much pain?

635
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: And said I used to want blue eyes, That's the

636
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: root of my pain.

637
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: Or you know, another time, I had a similar revelation

638
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: about about anger and realizing that a lot of my

639
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 5: anger that I carry through life just being an angry person.

640
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: It was like really internal anger, being upset with myself

641
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: for not being white.

642
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: That was a heavy trip that day. I was like, damn,

643
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: And that kind of makes you.

644
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: Know, that also makes sense, you know, because I always

645
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: had a motherfucker chip on my shoulder, always want to

646
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: still on the nigga, you know.

647
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, I'm just meeting you, but we are

648
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: very similar. I'm trying to tell you, trying to tell you.

649
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 5: And the thing about the ayahuasca man is like, it's

650
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 5: not an enjoyable experience interesting, but it's so significant and

651
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: the downloads that you will receive from it.

652
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: They so profound that that's what sticks with me. You know.

653
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: It's like it's a gut wrenching experience, literally, like you're

654
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 5: throwing up all types of shit.

655
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: But it's like.

656
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: What I might imagine.

657
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: I've heard women say about child birth that the beauty

658
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: of what you receive it almost makes your mind have

659
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: some forgetfullness about the pain, you know what I mean

660
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: about how hard it was, because it really I think

661
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 5: it's a valuable thing for anybody.

662
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: Not that it's for everybody, but I haven't really.

663
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: Seen somebody go into an ayahuasca experience and gain nothing.

664
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: You know, like you got to face your ship, that's

665
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 5: all it is. You're gonna have to face your ship,

666
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: whatever the ship is.

667
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: The ship you really don't want to face the real.

668
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: Nastiest, deepest, darkest secrets, the things that you kind of

669
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: just try to like you just smoke when you start

670
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 5: to think about them or you know, scroll your front,

671
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: whatever it is, divert your attention. That's the ship that

672
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: you will have to face with ayahuasca.

673
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: But under that, when you ain't shitting on yourself and

674
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: throwing up, I want I try to live under that

675
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: way because I ain't trying to do all.

676
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: On yourself as crazy. But you ain't got to shop

677
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: on yourself. You ain't got to sit on yourself. So

678
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: basically I ain't trying to throw up either. You ain't

679
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 5: got to throw up on yourself. You got a bucket,

680
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: You can control yourself. It's like and uh, but still

681
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: though I understand it got damn throwing up and all,

682
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: that ship ain't for everybody. But I think one thing

683
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: people don't necessarily understand about it is that like you

684
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: still have bodily control. So it's like you got a

685
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 5: bucket or maybe you just go to the bathroom and

686
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 5: throw up in the in the toilet. It's like, it's

687
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 5: not necessarily like an uncontrollable fucking thing.

688
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: But I would say, mushrooms, man, mushrooms.

689
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I go under that mushrooms my micro doves, But

690
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: I ain't took the real one yet, taking a real

691
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: taking a real docent mushrooms, man, I mean I love

692
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: the micro dosent too.

693
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I mainly fuck with it

694
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: like that, you know what I mean.

695
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: Pop a cap in your life though right now, no.

696
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: Real a real cap. Oh nor was the last like

697
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: maybe like eight hours.

698
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

699
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: But if you already microdose in the mushrooms, fuck with that,

700
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Because the mushrooms they do,

701
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: it's really very similar.

702
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: You took experience room before, Yeah, that's how I first started,

703
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, just go with all white kids. Yeah, we

704
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: did the first time on the camping trip at.

705
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: The beach that ship was screened at.

706
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: Took one sense.

707
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I didn't really lose it, but it was just that

708
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: the colors were in hands, the touch was in hands.

709
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: The gummy, Yeah, the gummies do all that to me.

710
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 5: Sometimes it depends too, like maybe you know, maybe try

711
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: taking like.

712
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: Some whole mushrooms, like the actual fruit is what they

713
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: call it.

714
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: Because obviously there's the visual perceptual impact. But I mean,

715
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 5: I think the most significant impact to be taken from

716
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: mushrooms is the psychological effect. And like mushrooms can really

717
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: help you to process deep confusions. Or heavy situations, complex

718
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 5: ideas that questions of direction, you know what I mean,

719
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 5: Where should I be going with this? How should I

720
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 5: be looking at this situation in my family? Give you context,

721
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 5: bird's eye view, contexts, you know, give you like almost

722
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 5: like a divine intervention into your perspective. And that's why

723
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: I love psychedelics, man. I feel like psychedelics.

724
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: They have the.

725
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: Power to uproot pharmaceutical industry.

726
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 5: I've been on every anti depressant on the man since

727
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: I was fifteen, like Prozac, Alexipro, that's what Kanye was

728
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: rapping about effects or well Beutrin, zoloft, probably about ten

729
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 5: to fifteen medicines over ten or so year period. One

730
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 5: medicine worked for one year. That's such a dismal and crazy.

731
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of trial and error, a lot of.

732
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: Trial and error, and obviously the pharmaceutical companies are in cahoots.

733
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 5: If one doesn't work, then they prescribe you well buttrium,

734
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 5: which is often a booster for the other one. I mean,

735
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: I don't have chat GBT out right now, but I'm

736
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 5: sure they have the same owner.

737
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: You know.

738
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: The psychedelics, however, man, I think that they inspire growth

739
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 5: and literally rewire neural pathways in your brain in a

740
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 5: way that the antipressant medications pharmaceuticals are often just a

741
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: cosmetic band aid, you know what I mean. And in neuroscience, man,

742
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 5: they say that neurons they fire together, wire together.

743
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: So that's why you get stuck in patterns.

744
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: That's why when you see one person in your family,

745
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: you be like, man, this person makes me like upset,

746
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: you know, because of what happened in the past. Because

747
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: the neurons are firing, and the psychedelics, the mushrooms, they

748
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: rewire the neural pathways so that you can make new connections,

749
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: you can think in new ways, you.

750
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: Can heal from shit. That's my shit. I mean, I'm

751
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 2: in the weed business, but.

752
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 5: Like that's where I'm going because that's what I'm I'm

753
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: veryciure about about that.

754
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: What's in the water in Chicago, that that that sparks

755
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: so much creativity and soul in the music space.

756
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: What Pops used to say, I wanted you to be

757
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: raised in Chicago so you could get the truth about America.

758
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: You know, Chicago is.

759
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful place, it's a troubled place. It's got

760
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 5: a history of amazing music from Donny Hathaway and Quincy Jones.

761
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 5: But it's also got this history of revolutionary action Chairman

762
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 5: Fred Hampton, massive black people's movements like the Nation of

763
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 5: Islam headquartered in Chicago, birthplace of modern gang banging, the

764
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: Blackstones and the GDS. The Stars actually went to La

765
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 5: to form or be a part of the formation of

766
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: the Bloods in La Latin Kings. I mean, like, it's

767
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 5: so multi dimensional, you know what I mean.

768
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: And I think that really.

769
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: Inspires, that inspires the creativity and inspires people to be

770
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: drawn from a lot of different pools of reference. Like

771
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: I was with no Id yesterday and I was thinking

772
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 5: about this because we're talking about Loupe and we're talking about.

773
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Common and Kanye.

774
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 5: And Chance, and I'm like, man, all of us are

775
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 5: artists that speak to so many different sides of.

776
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: The experience, you know what I mean.

777
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: And it's got an educational aspect to it, it's got

778
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: a street aspect to it.

779
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: It's got like.

780
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 5: A spiritual oftentimes like a religious dimension to it. And shit,

781
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 5: because Chicago is all those things, like potently, it's all

782
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: that shit potently. And then I think in our generation

783
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 5: having them having and no idea in Loupe having these

784
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: people have been a generation before us. It's like in common,

785
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Comment is my favorite. You

786
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 5: got really dope role models. You know, you have really

787
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: dope people to look up to that are very complex.

788
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: Shooting a video on the phone, tell me what what what?

789
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: What goes into that? And the new song still with smoke,

790
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: This is all the smoke okay?

791
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: And you shot that in Synegale, right, yeah, yeah, I

792
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: shot that on the iPhone.

793
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the phone.

794
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: My brother, Edgar Estevez, he's a brilliant director.

795
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: He's been doing all these videos on the phone right now. Really,

796
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: it was like he reached out to me.

797
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: He knew I was independent now and he's just a

798
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 5: beautiful hearted person, you know what I'm saying. And he

799
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: does all huge videos for all these afrobeat stars and

800
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: fucking Ice Spice and motherfuckers like that with big label budgets,

801
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: and he was like, I knew you dependent newly right now,

802
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: Let's go shoot this video.

803
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: We'll do it on the phone to keep the budget lower.

804
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: Put our budget into the location, into going to West

805
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: Africa and.

806
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Make something, make something beautiful like that. I think we

807
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: had a place in time in the music industry and

808
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: many industries.

809
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: Man, when like.

810
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: The structure of the business is different than it was,

811
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, and the wool.

812
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 5: Is pulled out from people's eyes. You can see that

813
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: artists are not receiving fair pay. You can see that

814
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 5: even like in sports, maybe the recent development of nil

815
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 5: and seeing like yo, these kids are being like, I'm

816
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 5: sure that was y'all at the point of time, making

817
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: these folks so much money, you know what I mean, Like,

818
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 5: you know, crazy exploited, and the music industry is in

819
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: that place right now. So what we wanted to do

820
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 5: with that first foremost was make some dope. I spend

821
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 5: a lot of time in Africa. I'm very inspired by

822
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: by West African culture and also though to show our

823
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: peers and show younger artists like yo, you can you

824
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: can produce on a very high level using just what

825
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: you have.

826
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: Develop the skill set and you can do it, you

827
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

828
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: And you can.

829
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: Actually develop the skill set on YouTube. You know what,

830
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 5: everything you need, it's everything, you know what I mean.

831
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: You can develop the skill set on YouTube and use

832
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 5: the phone that you have to do some phenomenal you

833
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And somebody might sit down and

834
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 5: develop that skill set for a.

835
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: Conversation for a podcast, and you can, you can attract.

836
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 5: The attention that you need to be able to get

837
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: to the level of all the smoke.

838
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna take you some time.

839
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 5: And I think that's one part that's difficult about the

840
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: modern day is like, man, we all so distracted.

841
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: Want to win it, so fat, you want to quit.

842
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 5: But you ain't become a fucking legend of an athlete

843
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: by a you know what I mean. I didn't become

844
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 5: nice as an artist like quick. It was like and

845
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 5: is constant, fucking constant. I was in the gym like

846
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 5: every fucking every verse to me is like I did

847
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: free throws. I write a million of them before I

848
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 5: get one that I love, you know what I mean?

849
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: I just got to keep doing them.

850
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: There's no shortcut to mastering craft.

851
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: Though.

852
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to visit Gory Island when

853
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: you're out in Sineagaga?

854
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: You were out there, Yo, so amazing, right, what do

855
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: you think?

856
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 5: And Senegal it's such a special place because it's this

857
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: mix of West African culture, Islamic culture, and the French culture.

858
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: And they have this concept called taranga, which is an

859
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: extreme form of hospitality, and they're known for inviting strangers

860
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: off the street into the house. I was by side

861
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 5: of the road eating some jeel off rice out of

862
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 5: this bowl, like five of us eating it on the ground,

863
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 5: and a man just came up and he offered us

864
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 5: some tea.

865
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: Did you have the Italian tea?

866
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: When he was out there, I don't remember what it

867
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: was called, but it was a hot, hot little tea.

868
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Man. He came out of nowhere like, man, y'all want

869
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: some tea?

870
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: What y'all mean? And I was scared that they just

871
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: are to your point. I was like, hold on, man.

872
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: People don't just give you shit like that exactly.

873
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: So I was like, no, I'm cool, Like, no, it's okay,

874
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: try it.

875
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, exactly, that's exactly what happened to me.

876
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: And I was kind of the same way.

877
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, bro.

878
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: And that's because we live in a culture where we

879
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: fear each other so deeply, you know what I'm saying,

880
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: and oftentimes for good reason, you know what I'm saying.

881
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: But Senegal was beautiful because like inversely, they give to

882
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 5: each other like they're the DNA of their society is generosity.

883
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know everything about Senegal.

884
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to paint it as this perfect place,

885
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: but I was inspired by a culture of giving, of generosity,

886
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, because I think a lot

887
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: about that.

888
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Like when ship is bad for me, man, I try

889
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: to break somebody off of something, the.

890
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: Ship is good for me, I try to break somebody

891
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 5: off because your part part.

892
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: Gory Island is where some of the first slaves were exact,

893
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: and they have them in these the way the conditions

894
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: they had them in, and then the walk. Then they

895
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: had to walk the plank to get out to either

896
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: a slave ship or some people would jump off and

897
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: get killed by sharks or whatever else was in the water.

898
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: But the one thing I thought was really interesting was

899
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: when we were coming up on the boat to Gory Island,

900
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: they say you can throw coins out there, and then

901
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: the little kids would dive in though, so you could

902
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: throw a quarter in the ocean and these little kids

903
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: would dive in and get that motherfucker. No matter where

904
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: it goes, they'll dive in and go down. I was

905
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: so blown away I probably threw like two dollars a quarter.

906
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: It was crazy, bro happ.

907
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: It was going crazy.

908
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: Bro. They wore but they would go there and it

909
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: was deep, like you couldn't see bottom obviously because we're

910
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: They would go down and get that quarter.

911
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: Bro. It was crazy. All the days of that day

912
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 3: you got two dollars.

913
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: It was my backpack.

914
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

915
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 5: Food on Glory Island. Food was crazy. One thing that

916
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: was crazy to me about Gry Island was like it

917
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: was so beautiful though you know, it was like it

918
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 5: was it was a really layered experience because it was

919
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 5: full of this dark history of slavery, but then it

920
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: was beauty, beauty and like this pastel, rustic fucking buildings

921
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: and colors and the food.

922
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Man, I definitely got to

923
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: go back. So what does Kanye West mean to a

924
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: kid from Chicago.

925
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 8: Kanye West's God to us, man, you know what I'm saying.

926
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 8: And I don't say that in like how it sounds

927
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 8: to deify him, but like literally, as far as an

928
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 8: artist you mean to have the impact that Kanye West

929
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 8: has had on the world and to be from the

930
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 8: same soil as you.

931
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: Growing up.

932
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 5: I remember the first day I learned about Kanye when

933
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 5: my boy Tyrone Man.

934
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: Shout out to tie Ty Hues. He a hooper, he cole,

935
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: It's my brother. He came into sixth grade and he

936
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: was like, man.

937
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 5: Kanye West is saving hip hop. He make his own

938
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 5: beats and he rapping about some real shit, you.

939
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: Know, and he'll tell you in sixth grade.

940
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: That was my introduction to Kanye.

941
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: That was like, right when he came out, must have

942
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 5: been the first couple of songs, and really that's that's

943
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 5: what he did. In so many ways, Kanye West transformed

944
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 5: first hip hop music by making it okay to just

945
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 5: be yourself. You didn't have to be a gangster. You

946
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 5: could be vulnerable, You could be honest about your life,

947
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: about your emotions, about your grandma, about your your relationship

948
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: with your moms. I mean, Pop did that, but you know,

949
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 5: Kanye took out the element of having to beat theug life.

950
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: You didn't have to be a gangster.

951
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: Post Kanye West, you can beat Drake and be the

952
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 5: biggest artist on the planet. I mean, but Kanye West

953
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: is the one that opened the door for that. For

954
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: somebody to be talking about their emotions. They don't want

955
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 5: to hear that shit and wrap you know what I'm saying,

956
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: It to Kanye face down fifty cent and obviously it

957
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 5: was a press stunt, but it ain't nobody want to

958
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 5: hear that till that moment.

959
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: And I think that opened the door for a lot

960
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: of us.

961
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: That opened the door for a lot.

962
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 5: Of people to be able to be individuals, to be individualistic,

963
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: to just be themselves in music, and then that crossed

964
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 5: over into pop music.

965
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: The sonics from Mateaway to Heartbreak.

966
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 5: Pretty much create the modern pop landscape in a lot

967
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 5: of ways. Fashion I mean, fucking Geezy's There was plenty

968
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 5: of time, you know, when it was like, this is unreal,

969
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: how ubiquitous.

970
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: This shit is, ubiquitous, this ship is. It's crazy for.

971
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 3: I need you, I need the definition.

972
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean, to your point all over everything else.

973
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 5: Common thread and you are you everywhere, everybody everybody in tune,

974
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like everybody see what you're doing.

975
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 5: That's that's that's that's that's Kanye West to us.

976
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: You know, you got a chance to work with him

977
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: in the studio. What was the first time and what

978
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: is it like.

979
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: The first time I worked with Kanye We did a

980
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 5: song called Wolves on the Life of Poblow album and

981
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: it came to the studio, played him some of my album.

982
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: He gave me some some notes, and then he played

983
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 5: me the song you know, and I went did my part.

984
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 5: It's pretty magical, and I started working with him all

985
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 5: the time. I mean, just I through that and it

986
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 5: was pretty magical.

987
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 3: It was.

988
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: It was one of those It was one of those

989
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: times when it lines up.

990
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 5: Like the inspiration comes to you in the right way

991
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: at the right time. Then I just started working with

992
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: them on everything and just like you know, flying around

993
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: the world with him, helping them write the album at

994
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 5: the time, having them on my songs, and I learned so.

995
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: Much from Ye.

996
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: What I learned from Yae, one of the main things

997
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: is how to utilize the talent around you, you know,

998
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: and how to intentionally bring the best people in to

999
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: do everything. You know.

1000
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 5: I'm sure you see that in creating this, I mean,

1001
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: this has become massive, not just because the two of

1002
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: you sat to but because you fucking sought out and collected.

1003
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: A team of brilliant people. You know.

1004
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's somebody focusing on this aspect in the

1005
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: marketing and the visual and I learned that from Ya

1006
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 5: because Ye would bring in like TV writers to be

1007
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: working on songs like E Line, not Musk, but like

1008
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 5: shot to the Homie E Line.

1009
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: He would bring in.

1010
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 5: TV writers to be writing lyrics, you know what I mean,

1011
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 5: making suggestions. He bringing architects to be fucking with music videos,

1012
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like just bringing in the

1013
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: coldest people and be laboring every detail too, like every lyric,

1014
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like that's that's where I

1015
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: met Jerry, who was working with Kanye, and Kanye would

1016
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 5: have brilliant fucking people like Jerry Lorenzo just like working.

1017
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: On this tour or really maybe even just.

1018
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: Being a hand in his brilliance, you know, and we're

1019
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: just running around Paris and you know, having fun. But

1020
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 5: ultimately it's like genius level people that he's just surrounding

1021
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 5: himself with because he was.

1022
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Able to make a really unparalleled level of work in

1023
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 2: that way, you know what I mean.

1024
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: Chance to Rapper, Yeah, that's your brother. Yeah. When did

1025
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: y'all first meet?

1026
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Man?

1027
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 5: We first met about fourteen. Chance went to a school

1028
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: called Jones. It was a different school, like both of

1029
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: our schools, was selective enrollment like public schools, but you.

1030
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: Had to test into it.

1031
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 5: So I went down there to rap at his school

1032
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 5: had an open mic, and he was in the lunch

1033
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 5: room and I'm wrapping some cold shit, but I ain't

1034
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: know how to use a mic though, you know, so

1035
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, like, you know what I mean, like do

1036
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 5: mike all over the place, and I just remember that

1037
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 5: was the first time that I that I met Channel,

1038
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 5: and I think one of our first studio sessions, maybe

1039
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 5: our first session in a real studio was together as pops,

1040
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 5: like bought the studio time and we went in there.

1041
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: We did a song called Lord Release, and we was

1042
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 5: just always locked in, like we was just gang like

1043
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 5: we had a whole group, you know what I mean ever

1044
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 5: since high school's called Saved Money, and.

1045
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: We were.

1046
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Music the two of us, you know what I mean.

1047
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: But the family of the brotherhood of it was like

1048
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: much deeper. Like I remember one time they was they

1049
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 5: was trying to fuck with Chance because he didn't have

1050
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 5: as many members at his school, you know, and so

1051
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 5: some kids a little older was trying to fuck with them,

1052
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 5: and so we found out, you know, I brought like

1053
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: twenty five niggas from Winnie.

1054
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: Young where I went to school.

1055
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 5: Rag Tag grouping with some niggas was in got them

1056
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: suits and ship like some niggas came from out South.

1057
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 5: We all came to Chance School to get on the ass,

1058
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, they tried to like flip the script,

1059
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 5: try to try to kind of run away or they

1060
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 5: was doing the staying where they like put the phone

1061
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 5: by their feet and be like, we're finna meet y'all

1062
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 5: right over there, pretending and uh, long story short, you know,

1063
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 5: found them beat they ass for fucking with Chance, you

1064
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 5: know what I mean?

1065
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Just like, so we been locked in since childhood.

1066
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: Child what's the backstory to how your career kicked off

1067
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: and what did you feel like was there ever a

1068
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: point where you felt like, Okay, I'm here now I've arrived.

1069
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 3: Man.

1070
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: I started doing music in high school, building the fan

1071
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 5: base that way like grassroots, you know, in the in

1072
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 5: the hallway, I was telling weed first, and uh so

1073
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 5: I already had clientele, you know what I mean, tape

1074
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 5: fan base was I had a mixtape. I'm like, man,

1075
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 5: I've already been trapping to you. You know, just take

1076
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 5: my tape too, you.

1077
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: Know, just take this first, check that one out exactly,

1078
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: you know what.

1079
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 5: So that was that was kind of how I came

1080
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 5: into it. And then I had a band.

1081
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: Band broke up.

1082
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 5: The band band was called Kizzies Days. Yeah, so the

1083
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: band broke up, like right out of high school. That's

1084
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: when I did my first album called The Internet Tape,

1085
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 5: and that kind of took me around the world, you know.

1086
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 5: Shortly after when I met Yay and I started working.

1087
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: With Whove and you just know the.

1088
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: Crazy.

1089
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: But I can't really say.

1090
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 5: I don't know if I ever felt like, man, you know,

1091
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 5: if there was like a moment you know, when I'm

1092
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 5: like I arrived, you know, because I think I think

1093
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: I've always had a bit of trouble appreciating my own successes,

1094
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

1095
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know why that is.

1096
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's some emotional shit I should be talking

1097
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 5: about with my therapist.

1098
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: That's a little bit you're gonna tap in with a little.

1099
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Speaker 5: Bit, Yeah, for sure, you know what I mean, because

1100
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, you look up one day and

1101
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 5: you'd be a millionaire, you know what I'm saying. But

1102
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 5: maybe when those times came, I still wasn't like over

1103
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 5: the moon, you know.

1104
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: I feel like I was still looking for some more.

1105
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: And I guess right now, I work on man, I

1106
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: work on being grateful for what I have, you know

1107
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Because I.

1108
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: Had quite a lot lost every Gatnam died, I mean,

1109
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 5: lost every penny fully rock bottom zero dollars in my

1110
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 5: bank account, but fifty thousand dollars in debt. So in

1111
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 5: the negative, seeing people stop picking up the phone, seeing

1112
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 5: people stop fucking with me, and being able to like

1113
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 5: find gratitude and appreciation for like breadth in my lungs,

1114
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 5: and for my family, and for the ability to try again,

1115
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 5: for the ability.

1116
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting about them, folks, that wasn't calling nothing.

1117
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: I ain't forget, you know. But I also I don't

1118
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: even hold it against them, you know what I mean.

1119
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 5: I just like I do my best to I do

1120
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 5: my best to not even judge them, you know what

1121
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 5: I mean, and just be like I had every hand

1122
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 5: and everything that has happened to me, you know what

1123
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 5: I mean, Like I played my part. I can't say

1124
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 5: I was the only one at fault, you know what

1125
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 5: I mean, But I played my part.

1126
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Each That's a big step or not to cut you

1127
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: off understanding, because a lot of times in life will

1128
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: always want to point the finger. But when you're able

1129
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: to accept what you've done and understanding and forgive yourself.

1130
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: That's when you can start to grow. Because I were

1131
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: so often it's his fault this I didn't work have

1132
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: my shit, didn't have it because of you played a

1133
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: part in that not working out too, you know.

1134
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: I know I did, man, you know.

1135
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: But to your point, though, I think i'd be just

1136
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 5: recognizing that not every relationship is created equal.

1137
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And just because I may have thought.

1138
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 5: About you in a way that I had enough love

1139
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 5: for you that was you to fall off, I'd be

1140
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: that nigga to pick your phone call up, don't necessarily

1141
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 5: mean you felt that way about me. But I got

1142
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 5: other people that do. You know that that's okay, and

1143
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 5: I'm grateful for them, you know what I'm saying. And actually,

1144
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 5: were you to hit the same hard times that I

1145
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 5: hit today, I would fuck with you.

1146
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: But that's just me. That's just who I am saying.

1147
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, Where's your Head out now? A little bit

1148
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: older obviously new album that dropped earlier this year, Where's

1149
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Where's your Head out? Right down this music space?

1150
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 5: Man, I'm feeling inspired, man, feeling you know, just ready

1151
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: to get out in said I've been working on for

1152
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: quite some time closing some situations on it to have

1153
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 5: the right distribution behind it. And you know, I think

1154
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: like I feel blessed that I'm constantly consistently inspired.

1155
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: It's never.

1156
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 5: It's never a concern for me of am I excited

1157
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 5: to create.

1158
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1159
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 5: Because I feel like I got all my best work

1160
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 5: in me, you know what I mean, And now I'm

1161
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 5: just learning the tools to be able to best present

1162
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: it to the world. Even like spending time expressing myself

1163
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: and showing my personality and my ideas on social media,

1164
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 5: it was really just it is really just me gaining

1165
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: like market research on marketing, you know what I mean.

1166
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: So as I'm releasing my.

1167
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 5: Further projects, I have a better understanding of how to

1168
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 5: show up in your algorithm or in your feed.

1169
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: I have a better.

1170
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 5: Understanding of how to how to put my art out.

1171
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: Into the world. And you know, I see there was

1172
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: one that I liked. It was like does music define me?

1173
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 5: I think, Man, I seek to detach my identity from

1174
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: what I do. Not that I am successful in that

1175
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: all the time, but I try.

1176
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: To remember that like.

1177
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm me.

1178
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 5: I do music, I write, I act, you know, I

1179
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 5: do these different things, but that's not who I am,

1180
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So if this ain't working

1181
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 5: out well.

1182
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and I can move along

1183
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: from it.

1184
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: I can move along from it.

1185
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 5: But also that doesn't mean I'm not working out well,

1186
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, I gotta be solid

1187
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 5: in myself because I'm I can't see myself moving along

1188
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 5: from music. Honestly, I just love it and I do

1189
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 5: it because like, I believe in what I have to say,

1190
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 5: and I'm constantly surprised by some ship.

1191
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: I come up with. I'm like, man, this ship was cold.

1192
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: Explain to meeting of the title. The title of that album.

1193
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: Oh so the title of that album is Sundata.

1194
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 5: Sundiado is the founder of the Mali Empire in modern

1195
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: day Synagogue.

1196
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I ended up over there.

1197
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 5: And uh, Mali Empire, that's the home of Massamoosa, history's

1198
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 5: wealthiest man, you know what I'm saying. And I named

1199
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 5: my son Man Samosa. So that's just been a inspiration

1200
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 5: to me. And then I found out so I didn't

1201
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 5: know that my family actually comes from Mali. Like deep

1202
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 5: in my lineage is another clan called the Kamara, and

1203
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: I didn't even know though, you know what I mean.

1204
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 5: I'll be thinking about that sometimes, like.

1205
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: That ancestry dot Com or someone gave you the game.

1206
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: My Pops, you know what I mean. My Pops was

1207
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: like he.

1208
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 5: Had a grand father named Kamara, and he always wondered

1209
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 5: where that name came from, and he uncovered it, you know,

1210
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: in his life's journey.

1211
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: But happy the thing, man, it's like trying to get

1212
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: your parents whole life story.

1213
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 5: It's like, man, you gotta do it while you can,

1214
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 5: you know, because there's so much information that is it

1215
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 5: all being passed down me?

1216
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: And am I able to carry it on? So? So

1217
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: I guess ye'all named the album net because it was

1218
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: like in me, you know what I'm saying.

1219
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: Transitioning into acting you got some obviously, you know, a

1220
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: consistent role on the Shy. What is that transition been

1221
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: like for you? And how much do you enjoy it?

1222
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: I love acting.

1223
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 5: Acting is just another way of flexing that muscle, that

1224
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 5: creative muscle, you know what I'm saying. And I think

1225
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 5: the best performances when you're acting they feel very similar

1226
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 5: to the best performances while writing music, write raps, you

1227
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: know what I mean. I think that the best things

1228
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 5: they either bring me to tears or they made me laugh,

1229
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: you know, like those two basic human songs, laughter and crying.

1230
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 5: And when I'm acting, if I'm getting it right, it

1231
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 5: brings me to intense emotion like it brings tears to

1232
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 5: my eyes, it makes me laugh, you know what I'm saying.

1233
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 5: And I feel like it's just another way of tapping

1234
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 5: into that creativity because you know, even to go back

1235
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 5: to what I was saying before, that music is a vessel.

1236
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 5: Music is not the end all, bey all.

1237
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1238
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 5: Music is a gift that I'm grateful for, but it's

1239
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 5: just a vessel for who I am.

1240
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: The same way for y'all.

1241
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 5: Like basketball, it's a vessel, you know what I'm saying,

1242
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: but it's far from the entirety of who you are and.

1243
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: What you have to offer.

1244
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 5: You what I mean, and even through what you've done

1245
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 5: there that gave you so much valuable insight into.

1246
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure just who you are as a man. It

1247
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: shaped you in ways that I mean.

1248
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 5: You're able to impact and touch people like in a

1249
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 5: whole different sphere, you know, years after that, and will

1250
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 5: continue to be able to do so because that wasn't

1251
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: the end all be So I feel I feel that

1252
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 5: way about music, that it's a part of it's a

1253
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 5: part of me, and it's.

1254
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: Something that I love to do. But like the message.

1255
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 5: Could come out like that, It could come out like

1256
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: this could come out, you know, in a book.

1257
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: Ain't no telling man, any good hoop stories.

1258
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: Growing up in Chicago, you went, you know, some pros.

1259
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Was at the same school, Jamari Parkers you live over Richison,

1260
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: went there too.

1261
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 5: Marcus Jordan was at my school too. Man in high school. Man,

1262
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 5: Marcus was hooper. He was going crazy.

1263
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: What happened?

1264
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: Marcus? He was at my school?

1265
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: So what happened? Though?

1266
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 5: I mean I think he just went on to like

1267
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 5: do business, you know, saying Michael Jordan's son John.

1268
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: Lead a billionaire. I think he's just doing crazy business.

1269
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: I know they're smart though.

1270
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: Times he was like over Jordan brand and then ship

1271
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: like that.

1272
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 4: Yeah four got the trophy store, the Jordan Trophy Store,

1273
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: I think, do it? Yeah yeah down there in Florida, Yeah,

1274
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 4: trophy room, yeah, trophy room yeah Orlando, yeah.

1275
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Florida. Yeah. I can't hoop for ship. Got that?

1276
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh No, I just stand on the side of the

1277
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: motherfucking court. Like dude from NBA Street.

1278
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: You ain't got no game at all.

1279
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: I should have never even said this, offer up this information.

1280
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 5: I played soccer, man, I'm low key African, so I'll

1281
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: go up playing soccer.

1282
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like some African ship.

1283
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: Quick. Let us know.

1284
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: Top five hip hop hartists in your opinion?

1285
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 5: This is no order, but jay Z, Kanye nas Uh

1286
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 5: and Re three thousand and and I'll say comic because

1287
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 5: coming it's my personality.

1288
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: Who is your childhood crush crunch man, I'm gonna go

1289
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: uh new new.

1290
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, one album you could listen to repeat.

1291
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: Man, I'm saying mis educational. Actually that is tied with

1292
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: D'Angelo Voodoo. I've always said that was a piece. Rest

1293
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: in peace, man, for real?

1294
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: Right these three m J Kobe Lebron. You're a little

1295
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: younger too, so I'm interested in hearing your opinion.

1296
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm from Chicago, so Jordan's okay.

1297
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, well you all right, yeah you all right?

1298
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: Now, I mean I'm honest, going Jordan, Kobe Bryan, you

1299
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There you go, there you go, Yeah,

1300
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: there you go. That's no, there's no disrespect.

1301
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: I mean nobody.

1302
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 5: I'm not the deepest basketball fan. But I have an

1303
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 5: enormous respect for Lebron's ability.

1304
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean, like as a.

1305
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 5: Like technical player, he could suck around and be like

1306
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 5: the greatest. But I think it's something about the Kobe

1307
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 5: the mindset, and I think the era of like one

1308
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 5: guy their team.

1309
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: It's like it's hard to beat that.

1310
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be hard to beat Lebron's career,

1311
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 4: but Lebron's like, you know what I'm saying, you can't

1312
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 4: be Lebron's field, but you've never seen a better player.

1313
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: To make But also just think, never the fact. To me,

1314
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: in any order of those three, I'm good with.

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: Three.

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01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: You talk about those, to me, those are the three

1317
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: greatest players.

1318
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: They did y'all play all three of them?

1319
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: I played a MJ.

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: I didn't play MJ. I played the last I played

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: against all three?

1322
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: Who then who was the most problem problems?

1323
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: When I played against m J.

1324
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 4: When you play against MJ, you in all it's like

1325
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 4: it's just real, like and I have a I'm really

1326
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 4: playing against this, like it's you in awe. When you

1327
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 4: play against Kobe, it's a fear, you know, It's like, man,

1328
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: he's really trying to embarrass you.

1329
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. When you when when you

1330
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: play against Braun, it's just like there's nothing you can do. Okay,

1331
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It's it's it's like who

1332
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: is this man? Real? Like you're staying next to it.

1333
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: But especially if he's hitting his jumper too.

1334
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Speaker 4: You can do bigger than you, hes faster than you,

1335
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 4: stronger than everything.

1336
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: So that's how I explained it. You know I.

1337
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: Had better than Braun was here all Jordan's did that right?

1338
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Speaker 5: You?

1339
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: All Jordan? You scared of Kobe and you just like

1340
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: hopeless to Braun? Yeah? You hope.

1341
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 5: That made me think about how a lot of times

1342
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 5: when when people go fight, uh Canelo, not to say

1343
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 5: Canelo is Jordan, but like I watched people like fight

1344
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 5: so scared against him. That's why like Crawford was able

1345
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 5: to come in and do his thing because he wasn't scared,

1346
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But a lot of time

1347
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 5: you see you see.

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Speaker 2: When people coming there with him overthinking man, they so

1349
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: caught up on who he is. You know what I'm saying.

1350
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 4: If it was one game that you could see on

1351
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: our show, who would it be? But you have to

1352
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 4: help us get your answer on the show.

1353
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 2: Why don't you that chance on?

1354
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: You don't know like your call? I mean ship and

1355
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: he can plug me up to.

1356
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: He just dropped the album and he can plug.

1357
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 3: Me up to the half place you use. I want

1358
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: to get some five heads. I want to get some

1359
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 3: five heads so he can lug me up to the

1360
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: hat place he used. Yeah he will. He had three's

1361
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 3: all the time, right, you want to get the five five?

1362
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: I need some five I want to.

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Man, we appreciate your time today. It was a pleasure

1364
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: to get to sit down with you. Got neighbors. Man,

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. I appreciate You's alright, yes, I

1366
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate it. You can catch this on

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01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: All the Smoke YouTube and the Draft Kings Network.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you guys next week.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm