Speaker 1: What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses, Malone, that nigga hate that nigga, Bro. The
Speaker 1: crazy part is you got off thinking like you was
Speaker 1: telling like you was being funny, like really in the
Speaker 1: writer wrote that right like Metro gonna make some fucking
Speaker 1: drums nigga Like, now, this nigga probably gonna end up
Speaker 1: with the hottest song of the whole battle.
Speaker 2: Got all type of niggas saying, gay, do y'all think
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay you?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to top. Not like us, but
Speaker 1: BBO Drizzy is right there, dog.
Speaker 2: Nigger that ship everywhere.
Speaker 3: Man. I'm gonna tell you something. My mama like Brizzy,
Speaker 3: She said, have you heard this song bbl Drizzy? What
Speaker 3: is that about? I kind of like that er mom
Speaker 3: is something old school and that's my mom. My mom
Speaker 3: siventy some years old. Bro.
Speaker 2: They know what they deal with that. She feel it.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough.
Speaker 3: Not knowing on Drake. Then when I told she said,
Speaker 3: why don't they leave that little white boy along? He
Speaker 3: lost tough like that? And I said, Mama, she said,
Speaker 3: what is bullying him.
Speaker 2: You know it's crazy, bro. You know it's funny because
Speaker 2: how narratives could change on the Internet. But for whatever
Speaker 2: reason why it ain't just because you popular that people
Speaker 2: feel this way, Like it's something behind the scenes that
Speaker 2: you you you get out a certain way.
Speaker 3: Man, he's bepldre.
Speaker 1: You know what it is, bro, So okay, let me
Speaker 1: explain this. It still could relate. Still know Becauld still
Speaker 1: been in the business. It's it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: an idea going around like everybody hates Drake and that's
Speaker 1: not true. Drake and Lebron James are the same people.
Speaker 1: They don't really have enough season into where you could
Speaker 1: dislike them. Like they pretty much standard and excellent in
Speaker 1: their fields, you know what I mean. They are spectacular
Speaker 1: talents in their fields, respectfully, but their audience fucks their
Speaker 1: head up because they audience start to go so hard
Speaker 1: and then anytime you start to challenge it, right then
Speaker 1: they push back harder and hence now you start looking
Speaker 1: like you want the demise of a specific figure that
Speaker 1: really you don't care about. And Drake is in that
Speaker 1: same space to where it's like Drake is actually a
Speaker 1: really cool dude. Bro, he's a cool dude. It's sad
Speaker 1: he lost the battle, but he's a really cool dude.
Speaker 1: Don't nobody want anything bad to happen to Drake, Like
Speaker 1: I notice his house got shot up or the security
Speaker 1: guard got shot up, which is ironic because somebody that
Speaker 1: Ovo is kind of having little issues with. They house
Speaker 1: got shot up, and in Seno, same exact happen is
Speaker 1: ironically a security guard got shot and it seen like
Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, you know, some Canadian folks,
Speaker 1: and then now a security guard at Drake's compound gets shot.
Speaker 1: So you know, they got a lot of you.
Speaker 3: Know, we're nice man.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: Every Canadian person I know is super nice man. Hip
Speaker 3: hop got these boys from Canada now acting tough.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because none of them are from the ghetto,
Speaker 1: because like Toronto got a ghetto, Vancouver got a ghetto,
Speaker 1: Montreal got a ghetto. But none of these dudes y'all
Speaker 1: from the ghetto.
Speaker 4: You know what I think some of it is is
Speaker 4: what I've heard a lot of the island people from
Speaker 4: down there went up from the Islands to Canada because
Speaker 4: they had backgrounds that couldn't clear the United States. But
Speaker 4: they could clear Canada. So if you were with the
Speaker 4: ship in the Islands, you have to go to Canada.
Speaker 4: If you had aspirations that come to the United States,
Speaker 4: and lot of them just stayed there.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, So why do they make it so
Speaker 1: hard for people from the States to get over there?
Speaker 1: If they letting somebody from the island come over there
Speaker 1: with even the worst background.
Speaker 3: Like you still have some oil and criminals.
Speaker 5: These old coons over here we get I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know how hard it is to go for Canada.
Speaker 5: Don't think you can, Okay, okay, don't talk over each
Speaker 5: other because everything is gonna be fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard as fuck to get into Canada, Pete,
Speaker 1: like from here.
Speaker 6: Well now, but I'm talking like you know, years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about like in that lay two thousand
Speaker 1: early two thousand teens, they was giving me ship because
Speaker 1: my mom went to prison, because my mom was in
Speaker 1: prison at the time.
Speaker 6: M hmm. Yeah, I'm talking like before that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know it because for a while until
Speaker 4: like I don't know when when to be close to
Speaker 4: the bord because for a long time it was just
Speaker 4: an open border.
Speaker 6: It was an un marked. It was a marked it
Speaker 6: was like an un guarded open border, and then after
Speaker 6: several years of thousand eleven that changed.
Speaker 1: So how do you how victorious do you guys feel
Speaker 1: have to this triumphant win by Kat and this and
Speaker 1: this my your mental battle.
Speaker 2: You know what, bro? Uh, I ain't gonna lie. I've
Speaker 2: been riding pretty hard, you know what I'm saying for
Speaker 2: the home team. But the more the more I start
Speaker 2: the Internet, I ain't gonna lie. The Internet start making
Speaker 2: me feel sorry for the nigga Man, what what do
Speaker 2: you feel doing, Kendrick? I mean for uh Drake Dog
Speaker 2: because the memes, like it's so much shit on the
Speaker 2: internet to where it's like the memes like from shows
Speaker 2: and ship matching up too, Like its just it's like
Speaker 2: it makes sense, bro, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: Nigga and you know, got scenes in the grass seat
Speaker 2: where he had gay porn and a locker and they're
Speaker 2: putting all the sad music behind it, and you know
Speaker 2: it's just seemed like he just getting his ass whoop
Speaker 2: from every angle. But then the people that's delusional, his
Speaker 2: fans acting like he ain't he getting his ass whoop?
Speaker 2: Where he didn't lose the battle. Sometime it make you
Speaker 2: feel like, you know what, Yeah, you boy got his
Speaker 2: ass whip man.
Speaker 3: Man, you cann tell you something. And this is me
Speaker 3: being real. I don't feel sorry for Drake. It's a
Speaker 3: fucking rep battle. He need to pull his drawers up, man,
Speaker 3: and gonna keep stepping that way. He got plenty of
Speaker 3: money and he's gonna continue to get opportunities.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I will say that the pedophile stuff we will probably
Speaker 3: be a little damaging to him, but he's gonna continue on, dude.
Speaker 3: And the way this news cycle lives, people gonna be
Speaker 3: onto some other mischief in two weeks, dog, So he
Speaker 3: could be all right. I really hope, but I don't happen, man.
Speaker 3: I hope this dude don't get so caught up in
Speaker 3: character man that he gona really fuck his career off
Speaker 3: by doing some dumb shit.
Speaker 2: You know what else? I realized too, that he got
Speaker 2: his ass whooping two battles for mentioning somebody wife.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This isna turned out well for him. Dog,
Speaker 3: it doesn't, so I follows him. If I knew every
Speaker 3: time I confronted a certain issue, Dog, I always go
Speaker 3: face resistance impossible, even get embarrassed. I would leave that
Speaker 3: issue Alan Dog Like Drank is bringing this on hisself.
Speaker 3: Nobody asked him to go out there and play. You know,
Speaker 3: he he's too caught up in character because y'all know
Speaker 3: that dude as actor as well. Right, he's caught up
Speaker 3: in character. So Frank is really the real life I
Speaker 3: have been Drago, Slash Bishop and Juice. He has him
Speaker 3: now Dog and he really he's starting to really feel like,
Speaker 3: like when ever since he said don't let me catch
Speaker 3: your body? What was the songs that don't let me
Speaker 3: catch your body right now? What was that shit sheep?
Speaker 1: Oh you gonna makee me catch your body right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, ever since he said that, it seemed like he
Speaker 3: been kind of tripping man and he probably taking karate
Speaker 3: here taking some shooting.
Speaker 2: Listens.
Speaker 3: Now, I feel like I can really go be a
Speaker 3: gangster if I wanted to. These guys aren't as tough
Speaker 3: as me, They're not smarter than me.
Speaker 1: I would like to believe money fucks people head up,
Speaker 1: because without of doubt, money gives you the ability to
Speaker 1: command people, right, and because it's one thing even being
Speaker 1: a wealthy person, you know, to actually go out and
Speaker 1: commit a crime, you know, a real crime, because it
Speaker 1: takes a different goal to do it. But money allows
Speaker 1: you to be It's easy, it's simple, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You could just say, hey, I got this
Speaker 1: amount of money and something violent could happen to somebody.
Speaker 1: But I was telling Mac ten this, I'm like money. Yes,
Speaker 1: we watched Takashi six nine command people in the streets,
Speaker 1: you know, people that come from poor backgrounds just like him,
Speaker 1: because he can offer them money for them to pay,
Speaker 1: you know, a rent for four months, five months, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or buy a car, or you know,
Speaker 1: get jury or anything. We watched him able to command
Speaker 1: a real army, you know, to some degree in New
Speaker 1: York just because he had money. But I told Mac,
Speaker 1: the issue is really being a gangster more than anything.
Speaker 1: Dog is being okay with going to jail, like that's
Speaker 1: the catch. And I told Mac, Yeah, it's possible he
Speaker 1: got some money, you know what I mean. Maybe he'll
Speaker 1: spend some money and he could make something happen to somebody,
Speaker 1: But that's not what you gotta consider. When you get money.
Speaker 1: You gotta consider are you willing to go to jail.
Speaker 1: That's the big ultimate decision. Like when I first got
Speaker 1: put on the set, I really didn't want a gang
Speaker 1: bang because I was like, eh, I don't really need it,
Speaker 1: Like I always kind of I looked at it like
Speaker 1: people would try to join gangs because they needed back up,
Speaker 1: and I didn't need backup, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think I would be good at it
Speaker 1: because everybody that was involved was you know, people that
Speaker 1: dropped out of school, people who didn't get good grades
Speaker 1: in school. They were almost the opposite of me. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I would be good at gang banging or
Speaker 1: really take that step until I went to jail and
Speaker 1: realized I was gonna be all right. Like I started
Speaker 1: fighting everybody. I was winning nine out of the ten fights,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was hell it Like
Speaker 1: I was able to impose my will on the system
Speaker 1: at that point, you know what I mean. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. It was batter people that can kick my ass,
Speaker 1: but every situation I was able to come out on top.
Speaker 1: And when I came home from jail, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it was over. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because then now if you're not worried about going to jail.
Speaker 1: Guess what you gonna carry? Pistols. I wouldn't register my cars,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't fix tickets. I wouldn't go to the court
Speaker 1: on tickets because I didn't care about going to jail.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was over for me as a
Speaker 1: daily gang member until the day I went to jail
Speaker 1: the last time, and jail felt like jail.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: That wasn't about the people trying to fight me for me,
Speaker 1: but it was just about like, damn, like I'm in jail.
Speaker 1: At first, it was always a party, all eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten eleve mother times, it was a party. I go
Speaker 1: in there till I wish some homies, you fee me,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, fight the case, you know, beat up
Speaker 1: a nigga, you know what I mean, build up my reputation.
Speaker 1: It made sense. But the last time that was it
Speaker 1: so to me. That's what Drake really has to ask him.
Speaker 1: So he got to say, Okay, you know, I'm playing
Speaker 1: it a little close. I'm all, okay, we're going to jail,
Speaker 1: no seilings. Guo Peter in the house doing what we do.
Speaker 1: I got my big brother, Big Steal gangst The Chronicles
Speaker 1: we decided we was gonna put in a lot of
Speaker 1: work on this special episode and no seilings West Coast Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I brought Little Broke Joey west Side with me, you
Speaker 1: feel me, one half of the La Giants, and we
Speaker 1: get to talk some hip hop and this current battle
Speaker 1: which looks like it's probably the biggest battle in the
Speaker 1: history of rap music, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: even though Drake is not in hip hop, he very
Speaker 1: much is a part of rap music, so it becomes
Speaker 1: the biggest battle in rap music history. Sure, so do
Speaker 1: we all openly agree on this? You know on this
Speaker 1: on this podcast that pretty much Kendrick Lamoar I won
Speaker 1: the battle, right, Kate, I won the battle? I would say, So, Okay, Still,
Speaker 1: if you had to pick a place that you thought
Speaker 1: Drake went wrong, where did he go wrong?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: I think he went wrong by mixing Kadot's family, and
Speaker 3: you know, by mixing this family, not only that, by
Speaker 3: him confusion confusing with California. Exactly what West California West
Speaker 3: Los Angeles to people fear because just because you hang
Speaker 3: out in Hollywood and the Valley and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: you're not really in Los Angeles at that point.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, you're in the city of Los Angeles, but
Speaker 1: you're not in the Los Angeles that we come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's almost like me going to Glendale
Speaker 3: and having my cameraman out there and finding the Seventh
Speaker 3: Street in Glendale alone. I'm in some on seventh Street.
Speaker 3: Where are you at? I'm here, See, I'm walking off
Speaker 3: through it, and you just talking shit pumping. A whole
Speaker 3: bunch of you, just random innocent people is looking at
Speaker 3: you like you're crazy. Because California on the whole is
Speaker 3: a very nice place, a great place, great place. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful place. But it's when you get off
Speaker 3: the one, ten and one on five free ways in
Speaker 3: between the four or five, one o five, not even
Speaker 3: one in six on five wall of bullshit is going on,
Speaker 3: you might find out. Man this scene. You know, we're
Speaker 3: no longer in Disneyland.
Speaker 1: So you felt he just approached it. He thought, you
Speaker 1: thought that because he been out here and he been
Speaker 1: getting some love, he felt more like he had the
Speaker 1: hardest soul of the city as much as Dot did.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then exactly, and I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 3: this too. When he started mentioning Top's name and just
Speaker 3: service things. He just became more brazen than his efforts.
Speaker 3: And I think he thought in his mind that since
Speaker 3: Doc wasn't signed to TDE anymore, the Dons just out
Speaker 3: here just without no protection, no more. And this is
Speaker 3: not by itself, but we know Doc got goons. That
Speaker 3: Doc got some monsters. Whereas the kids call it, do's
Speaker 3: got some Doc got some demons on his teams. You
Speaker 3: know he got you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Sure, Joey, Where do you think Drake went wrong in
Speaker 1: this battle?
Speaker 2: I would agree with the whole mentioning his wife thing
Speaker 2: and the actually so this, since were talking about the
Speaker 2: same record, a whole.
Speaker 1: Battle, where did you think he went wrong?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Where did it go off?
Speaker 2: Always you don't matter like where it began?
Speaker 1: That just was like he might have sucked up This
Speaker 1: was if Okay, obviously Dodd is the hummy, right and
Speaker 1: the niggas fuck with that, But if you were Drake
Speaker 1: and you had to assess it from Drake, where do
Speaker 1: you think he's zigged when he should.
Speaker 2: Leaking that record? When he leaked that record, it seemed
Speaker 2: like he wasn't really as to me, it came off
Speaker 2: as like you wasn't confident in your approach, which one
Speaker 2: push up?
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're saying when he first even responded like it.
Speaker 2: Seemed like you was already you wasn't really confident in
Speaker 2: in in your squabble, and it just seemed to be
Speaker 2: it seemed like Kate I was being underestimated too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say so to Drake was like, and
Speaker 7: Drake's side, Yeah, No, the way Matt ten told me
Speaker 7: that he no, not Max, somebody else, Oh, Van told
Speaker 7: me Van Latha said he was like glasses.
Speaker 1: I think this nigga thought Kate I was scared of him.
Speaker 2: No, for real. And you know what too, Drake being
Speaker 2: so I don't understand how people don't. It seemed like
Speaker 2: people didn't understand how big of a star Kendrick was.
Speaker 2: It was it was I'm like, dude, this dude is
Speaker 2: a star. This is not This is not Joe Budden
Speaker 2: and push your tea in respect to them, but this
Speaker 2: is different.
Speaker 1: Even he can push your tee. Brought him his.
Speaker 2: Hat exactly, but he did. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But it seemed like the way he was able to
Speaker 2: brush push your tea off, you can always go like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to give him that and
Speaker 2: give him there because I'm I'm like, I look at
Speaker 2: Kendrick and uh yeah, Drake, you know, being a popular artist.
Speaker 2: But I always, I mean, I really look at Kendrick
Speaker 2: like nigga, He's like eye level with you, bro. Y'all
Speaker 2: the same to me from the popularity.
Speaker 3: Beat a lot. I think he kept beating the same horse.
Speaker 3: It was funny the first time him mentioned Don's height
Speaker 3: and his you know, Dolla is not the biggest motherfucker
Speaker 3: in the world. He's really if you look at him
Speaker 3: and don't know you know him, He's kind of a
Speaker 3: diminutive guy. You know what I'm saying. He's not really
Speaker 3: that big or whatever, you know, as a nice.
Speaker 2: Demeanor to him.
Speaker 1: But he's not no pump motherfucker Loki, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And he's an extra petty ass dude. So he gonna
Speaker 3: go in on.
Speaker 1: He got a thousand jokes and he has no problem
Speaker 1: unloading the motherfucker's on you what is going down?
Speaker 2: And that's what he did when not like Us, that's
Speaker 2: when the funny nigga not like us sound like a
Speaker 2: straight funny ass song. Bro.
Speaker 1: But that's the first dot that I know yeah, like
Speaker 1: with with just.
Speaker 2: Skid, Like the nigga literally was whooping his ass the
Speaker 2: old record until it went off from chats, hooks, bars,
Speaker 2: vocal inflections, you know, just comedy Like I'm like, damn
Speaker 2: bro like y'all, you know what I mean. And I've
Speaker 2: seen him.
Speaker 3: He got at his own game, drinking his own game.
Speaker 3: Rather he actually beat him because rem brother told you
Speaker 3: g I said, all Drake has to do is come
Speaker 3: out with one of them singing ass records, a big
Speaker 3: ass record, and all these little girls gonna flood the
Speaker 3: internet talk about why he's the best guy in the world.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be over with because how do you
Speaker 3: respond to some ship like that? If he the onoman
Speaker 3: there talking about piece of Love. I think where Kendrick
Speaker 3: wore him. Kendrick actually wore him down with apathy for
Speaker 3: his wife, like he was talking to his son, talking
Speaker 3: to his mom like he's just not a good dude,
Speaker 3: like you know, your dadd's a piece of shit. Pretty much,
Speaker 3: I'll be a winter because you're not gonna learn ships
Speaker 3: from this dude. He's pretty much a bad person. And
Speaker 3: I think that I think Bothy, Charla Maaine say this
Speaker 3: fool has made the first me to battle rep.
Speaker 1: So Pete, where did Hendrick get it right at?
Speaker 6: I like my view of the situation where wor did
Speaker 6: he get right?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Where did Kendrick get it right at? He was like
Speaker 1: he got that right?
Speaker 4: He he I think I just viewed what he did
Speaker 4: as a constant, like he was gonna do that. You know,
Speaker 4: he's wired for that. He's a little bit more vindictive.
Speaker 4: He's got a little bit more you know, pissed vinegar
Speaker 4: to him, so that was going to happen. I don't
Speaker 4: think it was his to win. I think it was
Speaker 4: Drake's to lose. I think that his I think the
Speaker 4: Drake's fame more so. He has a gravitational pull of
Speaker 4: it distills his surroundings into just purely like fan type
Speaker 4: support yes men echo chamber. So he thinks wherever he goes,
Speaker 4: whatever he does, is the greatest thing in the universe,
Speaker 4: and it manipulates his view of reality. It was a
Speaker 4: mistake for him to engage because he's a jovial, nice, funny,
Speaker 4: whatever kind of guy. He's gonna get you with the
Speaker 4: little roast joke, and this other guy's gonna come through
Speaker 4: and really like, yes.
Speaker 2: You know what he is.
Speaker 4: You say he's like Lebron, I don't. I think he's
Speaker 4: a lot like Kobe. Kobe wants to win the game
Speaker 4: on the floor, whereas like Michael, Well, I think you
Speaker 4: could push Michael Jordan into following you out and jumping
Speaker 4: you in the parking lot. I don't think you could
Speaker 4: get Kobe to do that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: There was a little bit of more personal outside of
Speaker 4: the framework of the game hatred that existed, and Michael
Speaker 4: didn't exist in Kobe. He was just extraordinarily competitive basketball, right,
Speaker 4: And I think that there was a line there where
Speaker 4: Drake's like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a cool rapper, I got cool lines.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get this guy in the within the square circle.
Speaker 4: This other guy's like, I just fucking don't like you,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna light you up inside or out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like he made it more about Drake,
Speaker 2: like the Kendrick approached it, like he didn't really care
Speaker 2: what the fans think, Like, I'm talking to you, bro, Well,
Speaker 2: everything I own is it's you. Bro.
Speaker 3: He attacked this character.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny. My thoughts on it is
Speaker 1: he almost did him like a like like he hypnotized him,
Speaker 1: like I always coming into this battle, I remember telling Joey,
Speaker 1: telling DoD, telling everybody, Yo, you gotta stay the coach.
Speaker 1: You gotta stay the culture, right, you gotta stay true
Speaker 1: to the culture, like you gotta stay true to it.
Speaker 1: Like the thing about this battle, I always felt if
Speaker 1: God stayed true culturally, it was gonna be fine when
Speaker 1: lose a draw. But Drake had to stay true to
Speaker 1: record making, like that's the trick. And somewhere along the line,
Speaker 1: Dot hypnotized him and turned him into just a rapper
Speaker 1: instead of him being this massive you know, his greatest
Speaker 1: strength is his ability to make a great record, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You hook, you know you hear
Speaker 1: you like damn. You know, like when you listening to
Speaker 1: Back to Back, it's not really like this harsh disk
Speaker 1: as much as it's this witty disch that is headche
Speaker 1: and you like, this motherfucker is the shit, And that's Dods.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Drake's strength. Drake is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest record writers and one of the as far as
Speaker 1: rap music goes. You know, nobody else has as many
Speaker 1: number one records, you know what I mean, And he's
Speaker 1: able to do things as a record maker that works.
Speaker 1: And in this battle we end up with one record
Speaker 1: out of five and five they put out five apiece.
Speaker 1: What is it for Kendrick is it's the first one
Speaker 1: future right, which is uh like that. Then you have Euphoria,
Speaker 1: then you have six sixteen, then you have meet the Grands,
Speaker 1: and then you have uh like. So that's two records
Speaker 1: in there, not like us and like that Drake puts
Speaker 1: out right. He puts out push Ups, which is the
Speaker 1: best record of his battle catalog. On this battle he
Speaker 1: had push Ups. He had uh that the really bad
Speaker 1: tupacs on.
Speaker 2: That was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Well, it was a good idea, it was, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was you know what I mean. The idea was fancy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But the record was bad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. You didn't hear it and find it catching,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Is it called Taylor Man,
Speaker 1: Taylor Made? Taylor Made is a bad record. Family Matters
Speaker 1: is a bad record right.
Speaker 3: Now about family Matters?
Speaker 1: I know. But just listen, he's rapping. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's not snapping on the motherfucker. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: did have a great selection to beat, but at that point,
Speaker 1: it became euphoria, it became switching upbeat.
Speaker 2: He's rapping a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of bars. Don' let me wrong. He got some
Speaker 1: catchy k this is where your pocket. But it's not
Speaker 1: a record that you're gonna play. It's not a smash record.
Speaker 1: And if your strength is making great records, how the
Speaker 1: fuck are you only in this battle one record?
Speaker 3: Well, I think what happened bro, with all honesty, I
Speaker 3: think he got so caught up. And as much as
Speaker 3: because he's a bigger artist than Ko. You know, he's
Speaker 3: a he's a bigger artist than k Out. You know,
Speaker 3: if that's season, he's that season a thing. But I
Speaker 3: think he got caught up in I'm gonna show everybody
Speaker 3: I can wrap and I'm gonna do what he does.
Speaker 3: And they just didn't come off and thrown and Doc
Speaker 3: kind of said, you know what, I'm gonna do what
Speaker 3: you do. I'ma go in there and make a hit
Speaker 3: record and I'm gonna clown you wanna hit record that's
Speaker 3: gonna become an anthem for the whole coast. And he
Speaker 3: just looks so big because it was almost like one
Speaker 3: of those movie moments, like you know you have that
Speaker 3: movie moment to wear one of the guy that's the
Speaker 3: local hero is when the marathon and everybody in the
Speaker 3: city is just like rallying around him, from the bodega
Speaker 3: to the barbershop. It was like that. When it's like
Speaker 3: that came up. You saw everybody in the West coast happy,
Speaker 3: everybody in the Midwest, everybody in the South. It was
Speaker 3: kind of like one man has took him down an
Speaker 3: evil empire. That's why I said, Drake is iPhone dragor
Speaker 3: he the dude with all the fancy shit around in
Speaker 3: the room for the writers. Like when Roth said that
Speaker 3: this dude got somebody writing his captions. I can see
Speaker 3: everybody just around Drake. I can see a white woman
Speaker 3: follow him. So Drake, I have the guys upstairs. They
Speaker 3: think you say this, tweet this right now, here's this pic. H.
Speaker 3: I have some information right now Freeey is supposed to
Speaker 3: have you know, yeah, I got that. We go the boos,
Speaker 3: then yes, the reference track of reading and he going
Speaker 3: or they might not even make it. We have time
Speaker 3: to put that. You have points on it and just
Speaker 3: set the shit out there.
Speaker 1: So analytics, so push ups. Taylor made family Matters. What
Speaker 1: was his other song, the last song, the Heart, the Heart,
Speaker 1: the Heart, the heartbreak. They call it the Heart the
Speaker 1: Heart fed right, So it's like through all of that,
Speaker 1: you only get one record from Drake. You only get one.
Speaker 1: You're the best record writer in rap music. And even
Speaker 1: if you're not the best writer record writer rap music,
Speaker 1: because you have writers, you have the best records in
Speaker 1: rap music as far as achievements when it comes to
Speaker 1: charting and before on the charts. So why would you
Speaker 1: not cater to your strengths. It's like a person who's
Speaker 1: in a boxing ring that don't have good foot movement,
Speaker 1: they have great jabs, not using the jab and trying
Speaker 1: to show somebody I could fight. You know what it's
Speaker 1: like the first time Sugar Ray Leonard fought Duran. Instead
Speaker 1: of Sugar Ray Leonard going in the ring being Sugar
Speaker 1: Ray Leonard moving his feet, dancing around making it hard
Speaker 1: for Duran, who didn't have the same type of feet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Instead of doing that, he said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna meet you in the middle of the ring
Speaker 1: and fight you mono imano, and it cast Sugar Ray
Speaker 1: Leonard his first loss because he didn't fight his fight.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Doc ever really went out his
Speaker 1: way to make a record. I think God's what came
Speaker 1: to him naturally when it came to the culture is
Speaker 1: sound wave records. Right, he did the Favor for Future
Speaker 1: in Metro like that, right, that's just a joint. He
Speaker 1: comes back right when he does you for It, that's
Speaker 1: a sound wave record. He does a record, the six
Speaker 1: sixteen is a sound wave record, right, And then you
Speaker 1: have the record with Meet the Grahams. That's an Alchemist record,
Speaker 1: and then you come with a Mustard record. He stayed
Speaker 1: the culture and it just happened to produce records. I
Speaker 1: don't think he went in there like, hey, I'm finna
Speaker 1: write a hook. I think he went in there to
Speaker 1: make a great you know, a great Katot song, and
Speaker 1: this is what you came up with. And I think
Speaker 1: Drake didn't go in to make great Drake records. I
Speaker 1: think he went in there to try to confront katout
Speaker 1: in front of the world. And that's not how you
Speaker 1: do this, especially in a battle. You have to play
Speaker 1: to your strips.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Do you think that the whole you on a
Speaker 2: clock concept affected the whole record making then, because now
Speaker 2: you you battling the internet, and you you know, because
Speaker 2: records take a little more time.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Kenjick already known for taking his time and giving you quality,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: making records take time, and now you're on this clock,
Speaker 2: so you might be rushing ideas out more so to
Speaker 2: take your time to making records. Because you're right. If
Speaker 2: Drake would have went approached it with five.
Speaker 1: Push ups, it been been five.
Speaker 2: It's all.
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat Drake doing what he did.
Speaker 2: He rams wasn't like a song. He like, no, I'm
Speaker 2: fit to get you with substance and just creativity and
Speaker 2: my storytelling skills, and I'm gonna do me. I would
Speaker 2: like you said, we're trying to make.
Speaker 1: So every every song he did that, every like here
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was crafted like he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't go in to make any records.
Speaker 1: He went in to do what ka Dot does overbeat
Speaker 1: and then he ended up with a record. Drake went
Speaker 1: in to do what ka Dot does. He didn't go
Speaker 1: in to do what Drake is strong at. Drake is again,
Speaker 1: like I said, one of the best record makers in
Speaker 1: the business. You know what I'm saying, But how do
Speaker 1: you only end up? Would push ups?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what? And then if you look at
Speaker 3: push ups Geene, he really tried to mimic that. What
Speaker 3: it was. He was trying to make a mock read
Speaker 3: of Kate that with his own ship, right, like, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna murder you in your own style. Right if you remember,
Speaker 3: what was the one album that.
Speaker 6: His ego, his own ego killed him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, still hold that through?
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's ego killed him?
Speaker 6: He thought so highly of himself that he didn't need
Speaker 6: to fight on the on his own strength. I can
Speaker 6: beat you with any style. I'll go and fight. I'll
Speaker 6: go fight Russia and Leningrad in December out of that.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to Buffalo in January or or yes
Speaker 1: or December, and I'll play you there when really you're
Speaker 1: the Raiders, Jack, when really you're the Dolphins. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry. Still, I didn't mean to cut
Speaker 1: you off.
Speaker 3: So what was the when Dot had the DJ? I
Speaker 3: think it might have been Kid Can Pray like kind
Speaker 3: of remaking a mixtapes. Damn, he tried to do that
Speaker 3: he kind of did that on push ups. You know
Speaker 3: it's this new train. Oh and it was. It was
Speaker 3: kind of dope. I caught that push up. When I
Speaker 3: first heard push ups, I called you and what did
Speaker 3: I say, G I said, fucking rapping right now, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be an issue. This motherfucker not playing. Then I
Speaker 3: heard the next Then I heard what Doc came back with.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, remember remember to me, he fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you get to your point, but remember
Speaker 1: he fucked up after push ups and dropped Taylor made
Speaker 1: which became more of a talking point and not a
Speaker 1: great record. It became liked.
Speaker 3: He could have rested on push ups for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Right they came with I would have rather came with
Speaker 3: three strong records and five then one dope record and
Speaker 3: three just whatever, because ain't let's get this straight for
Speaker 3: the people out there, because we not haters. None of
Speaker 3: them songs Drake made was whack and comparis is kind
Speaker 3: of trash, but anything else, it's probably better than a
Speaker 3: lot of people's best ship to do. We're gonna make,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We talking about two of
Speaker 3: the best in the world in the universe right now,
Speaker 3: as far as you know, as far as this ship
Speaker 3: we call hip.
Speaker 1: Hop go, well not hip hop, as far as rapping.
Speaker 3: Goes, as far as rap music goes, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, though, sure make sure I separate.
Speaker 3: Had phenomenal careers to the point where neither one of
Speaker 3: them never put out a record again. They were both
Speaker 3: going to Hall.
Speaker 1: Of Fame, first ballance, first ballot, the first.
Speaker 3: Ballot, Hall of Famers. They ain't gotta they ain't gotta
Speaker 3: do nothing else. Anything that they do now at this point,
Speaker 3: it's pretty much for their love of the culture or
Speaker 3: whatever they want to get out of this thing, you know,
Speaker 3: financially or you know, rewards, Because to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: meeting knowing Kup, he didn't give a fuck about none
Speaker 3: of that. This is probably this is probably his greatest
Speaker 3: moment in hip hop. She knowing him, knowing him, this
Speaker 3: is his greatest moment in hip hop. Not the money,
Speaker 3: not the Grammy's not she never won a rap nigga
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 2: Right now. He approached this ship like the finals, and
Speaker 2: I feel like Drake approached it like a pickup game.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, you know, he had, he had
Speaker 1: that diamond and crusted refund and you know, people was
Speaker 1: confusing it with Jesus and this really he just saved
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 3: He defended lyricism.
Speaker 1: Now he defended hip hop from pretty much. No dis
Speaker 1: respect to to Drake, but like what he represents and
Speaker 1: the type of artists he endorsed for the most part,
Speaker 1: you know, he don't really I think he cares about
Speaker 1: street urban culture as far as when he's going to
Speaker 1: tap in with culture, but he doesn't care about the
Speaker 1: true poetic expression that we all care about. Even though
Speaker 1: he's such a phenomenal lyricist, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he don't. He don't surround himself with the greatest lyricisms
Speaker 1: all the time. Now, he much respect to him because
Speaker 1: I think he does a great job of going to
Speaker 1: the ghetto and getting with the seasoning, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, but he represents, uh, like I said,
Speaker 1: an issue that's been boiling and hip hop this whole time,
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, you get Jack Harlowe because
Speaker 1: of him, you start to invest money into everybody else
Speaker 1: but ghetto kids. Because of what Drake represents, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So for doctor come and stand up
Speaker 1: for hip hop, you know what I mean, and not
Speaker 1: really shy away from the challenge, you know, take it
Speaker 1: at his hardest points, and be willing to get dirty
Speaker 1: as you needed to to come out with the victory,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to get as dirty as
Speaker 1: you needed to to come out with the victory. Like
Speaker 1: he like, I know he was bothered when you know,
Speaker 1: you know they started lying talking about his kid is
Speaker 1: not his kid. That that's a hard thing to tell
Speaker 1: a man. And somebody like me, no, lie, I would
Speaker 1: have went into another level like I'm finna shoot up
Speaker 1: these niggas houses. I'm not finna be rapping no more
Speaker 1: than you niggas playing with my kids and talking about
Speaker 1: like you. My kids could hear this and it could
Speaker 1: be you know, ramifications. And for him to say, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take off the gloves, then this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Like if I gotta get dirty for hip hop,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take these gloves off, We're gonna get busy.
Speaker 1: And for him to do whatever it took to make
Speaker 1: sure to go to any level that it took to
Speaker 1: win this fight, you know what I'm saying was important
Speaker 1: for hip hop, for the soul of hip hop. I
Speaker 1: think I think he just bought us. I think he
Speaker 1: just bought hip hop in extra three or four years.
Speaker 3: Well, I tell you this, I stopped enjoying it really
Speaker 3: when he started talking about Dave Free and you know,
Speaker 3: an a legend affair with his wife because for those
Speaker 3: that know Dog Dave Free and running against the statements
Speaker 3: little kids.
Speaker 1: Dog and Dave just Dave ain't even look. I think
Speaker 1: Dave could be some ship, I would imagine, but they
Speaker 1: ain't like that. And do would put that nigga under
Speaker 1: a car for sure, that's not even that's not even.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought he was smarter than that, bro.
Speaker 2: But that's that. And that once again helped kendrick narrative
Speaker 2: fit like he Drake kept showing how culturally unaware he
Speaker 2: was in his battle.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's a great point. Certain lines. He
Speaker 1: showed he was culturally unaware.
Speaker 3: He was free to slaves.
Speaker 1: That was just a bad boy.
Speaker 3: That was just bad what black men say ship like that.
Speaker 1: But again I've been saying this for years, like there's
Speaker 1: black the race and then there's Black the culture. We
Speaker 1: call it negroy, which I think they've already proven that
Speaker 1: race is not a real then they prove it wasn't real,
Speaker 1: it was it was a social construct. Pete.
Speaker 4: That is probably a matter of definition. In my personal opinion,
Speaker 4: I think that that.
Speaker 1: Correct. So, but I think the conference, I've been watching
Speaker 1: people throughout this battle, you know, bring up the fact
Speaker 1: Drake is LFE skinned, or Drake is his his mother
Speaker 1: is a white woman. Listen, if one of your parents
Speaker 1: in America is black, you're black right now. We think
Speaker 1: that we know that now. I think white people know
Speaker 1: that because they not gonna treat you like a white person.
Speaker 1: But again, I don't think this is a converse. It's
Speaker 1: never been a conversation about race. It's hip hop is
Speaker 1: about street, urban co This has always been a cultural conversation.
Speaker 1: And that's to Joey's point of he kept making Drake
Speaker 1: prove he was culturally he kept showing how culturally ignorant
Speaker 1: Drake was throughout this battle.
Speaker 2: All throughout it, all throughout it, he's telling them, he
Speaker 2: letting them know, he's saying it. Even on the last
Speaker 2: song when he's saying, like you keep trying to change
Speaker 2: the narrative like look, he like, look, the public is
Speaker 2: not slow. Drake relaxed. They you can try to create
Speaker 2: whatever you want. They not slow, they not dumb, and
Speaker 2: he just kept doing it. He kept doing it even
Speaker 2: with the last record he put out. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying to where if people wanted Drake to win
Speaker 2: so much that they was acting like he didn't say
Speaker 2: what he said in the song.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, people want to align themselves with
Speaker 1: winners because they're not winning in their personal life, so
Speaker 1: they want to align themselves with winners. Somebody was talking
Speaker 1: shit to me on the APP and they were saying,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You could like the Lakers just because they're
Speaker 1: in LA. You know, I like a player, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: so you feel like the thing that they did to
Speaker 1: market sports to me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: They said, Okay, this is your team because you live
Speaker 1: in the city of Los Angeles, right, or in the
Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles. This is your team. Here are
Speaker 1: the Lakers. You're saying I'm wrong because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I signed up for the marketing of this, and no
Speaker 1: one player is more important than the city, right, because
Speaker 1: this is the city's organization.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a private business, but this it represents us. If
Speaker 1: Shaq goes to fucking Miami. He no longer represents me,
Speaker 1: like it becomes just personally do I like the person?
Speaker 1: But we're in such a weird space that people really
Speaker 1: like I heard somebody talk shit about the word humble
Speaker 1: like that, Like they were on social media saying, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be humble, you know, because I
Speaker 1: think the word humble in humility was about, you know,
Speaker 1: overrating one's importance, and people really need to feel like
Speaker 1: they're important. And this goes back to peat point where
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line, Drake who is a master rapper,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and a master record maker
Speaker 1: doesn't realize hip hop, like I keep saying, this is
Speaker 1: why he's not hip hop. Hip Hop is about being
Speaker 1: master of the culture. That's the difference. It's why certain
Speaker 1: rappers Joey, I'll tell you induce all the time. It's
Speaker 1: certain rappers y'all don't like. But y'all like, why is
Speaker 1: this person winning? They are mastering the culture? See, people
Speaker 1: keep thinking this about the art expression itself, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: being the NC and having the best words. I always
Speaker 1: tell Stive w May nobody give a fuck about that
Speaker 1: lyrical miracle? Shit? Does it fit culturally what you're expressing
Speaker 1: if jay Z was just rapping a bunch of lyrical
Speaker 1: miracle and he wasn't talking about the struggles of a
Speaker 1: Glyn Dope dinner. But no, why do you fucking listen
Speaker 1: to that ship? What he fucking care about you? Because
Speaker 1: you gon rhyme a thousand words and shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: I want a Domino home cook kid, and we don't
Speaker 1: want know domind that's how niggas be. And Drake somewhere
Speaker 1: along the line thought it was about him being the
Speaker 1: master of a punchline or the master of a good flow,
Speaker 1: not the master of the culture. What does culture and body?
Speaker 1: And that's where I think Kendrick excel at in this battle,
Speaker 1: even though it's his first battle on a private on
Speaker 1: a public platform, you know, I mean, because he understood
Speaker 1: his job is to be the culture, unapologetically, no remorse,
Speaker 1: do it the way we would do it. And that's
Speaker 1: what he did and he couldn't come out with nothing
Speaker 1: but a victory. Whereas Drake, who should have stayed to
Speaker 1: the greater side of his record making ability because that's
Speaker 1: his strength, he didn't do that consistently and ended up
Speaker 1: taking a loss, ended.
Speaker 2: Up getting his ass beat really well.
Speaker 1: He ended up losing bad towards the end. It was
Speaker 1: it was good all the way up to not like
Speaker 1: grass like it was. It was interesting, like you know,
Speaker 1: coming from coming from uh like that to push ups.
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, this is gonna be interesting. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, This is gonna be.
Speaker 2: Fumbled.
Speaker 1: He could have put a little bit more and it
Speaker 1: was such a troll effort, but it's like, we're still
Speaker 1: judging your records. So yeah, you got the people hyped
Speaker 1: up because the idea was cool.
Speaker 3: It's a cool.
Speaker 1: Kind of humors. Like but when you play now, if
Speaker 1: the record was jamming, this to be a different conversation.
Speaker 1: If you would have went more into pock flow and
Speaker 1: more in a snoop flow and it really had you
Speaker 1: a little hook and made it a jam. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that maybe we like, oh this thing
Speaker 1: is this digg is bushit. This is.
Speaker 2: To your point, man, he was supposed to stick the
Speaker 2: record making.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I keep I told y'all this, I
Speaker 1: told you this Pete a couple podcasts ago and Joey.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. His confidence was funny because That's
Speaker 1: why I'm saying he did not leak pushups the person
Speaker 1: who wrote it and used So what they did was
Speaker 1: they wrote the song. Just like you see all these
Speaker 1: the BBL drizzy songs. Somebody's writing these songs and then
Speaker 1: putting them in, you know, putting him in a different
Speaker 1: artist's voice. And so somebody wrote this idea for Drake
Speaker 1: and pish it to him in his voice. The writer
Speaker 1: leaked the song. That's why it wasn't a hell of
Speaker 1: confidence even going into the battle. Nobody, nobody even knew
Speaker 1: we would have a battle because the.
Speaker 2: Way you people don't believe that you just said, like
Speaker 2: what you just said about the whole league, and somebody
Speaker 2: pinned it. Don't nobody believe that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because they don't know the business, so that
Speaker 1: everybody I sound crazy, But I also sound crazy because
Speaker 1: I also realized Drake has been having riders since the
Speaker 1: second and third album, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: when he first came in, he knew what his journey was.
Speaker 1: He was coming to take over the rap game. He
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna do whatever it take to put
Speaker 1: Like I heard somebody arguing about how many number ones
Speaker 1: Drake got in Future needed Drake to go number one
Speaker 1: pop budgets as far as record making, Goal radio you
Speaker 1: know works and still knows it's great too. It's three
Speaker 1: different panels. Radio stations report to three different panels. They're
Speaker 1: grouped together in three different categories as far as rap records,
Speaker 1: urban panel, crossover or rhythmic panel and pop pop radio. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's if you're from LA, that's you know, we
Speaker 1: just got a new urban station back, which is the
Speaker 1: real ninety two to three. A rhythmic crossover station is
Speaker 1: Power one those six. A pop station is Kiss FM.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: An urban station somewhere between four and five thousand songs
Speaker 1: spins a week. If your song is number one all
Speaker 1: the radio stations, you can get up to four to
Speaker 1: five thousand spins a week. Being the number one for
Speaker 1: the radio. YEP, rhythmic crossover, you could get up to
Speaker 1: eight thousand spins if you're the number one song on
Speaker 1: rhythm radio. And then pop radio used to get thirteen
Speaker 1: to fifteen thousand spins. Pop budgets weren't open up to
Speaker 1: everybody else. Future couldn't get a pop budget pre him
Speaker 1: doing something with Drake, and Drake was able to get
Speaker 1: pop budgets because he figured out a way to get
Speaker 1: inside that system. So when they start spending pop radio
Speaker 1: money on you, they keep spending pop radio money on you.
Speaker 1: And that's why he had access. That's like Kendrick. Kendrick
Speaker 1: is gonna have access to number one records because a
Speaker 1: couple of songs with number one. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift song got him in the door, and then
Speaker 1: they was able to come back with Humble and get
Speaker 1: another number one. Now you got like that is number
Speaker 1: one because you could bind Future's ability to get to
Speaker 1: the number one and Kendrick's and now it looks like,
Speaker 1: not like us, it's going to be a number one,
Speaker 1: you think, so just fighting, it's got a good chance.
Speaker 1: They said it'll be the first rap song that debuted
Speaker 1: in five days that will be a number one. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like,
Speaker 1: I think that's where Drake went wrong in the battle,
Speaker 1: Like Dot was able to hypnotize him and him not
Speaker 1: knowing in him not playing to his strong suit. Just
Speaker 1: like Sugar Ray Leonard did to Duran. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like Duran did the Sugar Ray Leonard, he made him
Speaker 1: stop moving. He made him stop trying to move and
Speaker 1: fight him the way Duran wanted to fight him, and
Speaker 1: it worked out for Duran.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny, I'm trying to find that I
Speaker 3: saw something earlier, man to where in the midst of
Speaker 3: all this, they put out some random thing like Drake
Speaker 3: is going to be he's a billion, like two big
Speaker 3: streams if you're becoming the high streaming artist of all time.
Speaker 3: And I said, man, this dude always has a crisis
Speaker 3: management team on Dick all like to try to mitigate
Speaker 3: some shit.
Speaker 1: Sure, but the core, but the core of the culture
Speaker 1: is not going to let him have it no other way.
Speaker 1: That's his problem. The core of the culture is not
Speaker 1: fucking with none of that. The core of the culture
Speaker 1: is not distracted, like you took this loss, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and that's not going to change. So
Speaker 1: you know, you have a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: voice and opinions. But reality is, he just got his
Speaker 1: ass handed to him, and every now and then it happens.
Speaker 1: It was a good fight all the way up into
Speaker 1: which would have been the tenth round, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or the fifth round. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: like that, if like that And if like that and
Speaker 1: push ups is the first round, that's a great that's
Speaker 1: an all time great first round. If if Taylor and
Speaker 1: Euphoria it's the second round, that's around as easy to
Speaker 1: score for Kendrick. If if six sixteen and Taylor made
Speaker 1: that's a good round, you know what I mean for Drake.
Speaker 1: But when it became like that, it just became a
Speaker 1: knockout punch, And it didn't matter what you were saying
Speaker 1: when you got up off the ground. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: the final song that was the hard part six, It
Speaker 1: didn't matter that you trolled the title. Eventually, the record
Speaker 1: just had to be the shit. And he fell miserably.
Speaker 1: You know, he made a record mentioned and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to respond to the conversation versus making something that
Speaker 1: was a really great song, and you just happened to
Speaker 1: be talking about the person you dealing with, you know,
Speaker 1: even even listening to it when I think about it,
Speaker 1: him mentioning you know Millie Bobby Brown, Like, Bro, this
Speaker 1: nigga didn't even bring up that lady name from you know, stranger.
Speaker 2: Oh you start he starts sounding that's for.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, you start sounding like defeated, bro.
Speaker 2: Like when you defeat and rap. It was that like
Speaker 2: Defeat wrote the rap like Nigga, you are done, bro,
Speaker 2: like you and you tire any sound like exhausty, like
Speaker 2: I'm just tying.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well he said the record, I told
Speaker 3: you want her the last record. I said, it sounds
Speaker 3: like he's conceding, so like he's saying fuck it. I
Speaker 3: was like all the conversation at the end, look, man,
Speaker 3: I know you have I'm exhausted. I know you have
Speaker 3: ten more records. This is just a waste my time
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 1: That's just you know, and it's weird because he wants
Speaker 1: people to look at him as some beacon of truth
Speaker 1: and that's not your role in rap music. I mean,
Speaker 1: one thing is you're not a hip hop artist or
Speaker 1: you have no real true you know, outside of being
Speaker 1: able to benefit people from the urban street culture. You
Speaker 1: don't really have sway there. You won't redirect culture or
Speaker 1: style there. You don't have a say that. But even
Speaker 1: in just in the face of rap music, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, You're not the beacon of facts. So
Speaker 1: when when you try to lean to things like referring
Speaker 1: to yourself as a war general or you want to
Speaker 1: fight somebody when there's a well documented history of you
Speaker 1: not fighting people. You know what I'm saying, Like, he
Speaker 1: just got lost, and I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: what you were saying, Pete. He was arrogant, He was
Speaker 1: Hella arrogant, and he started buying the hype. But that's
Speaker 1: also Joey why I've been saying for years, like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's not a hip hop artist, and like, as long
Speaker 1: as he keeps confusing it, he's making it hard for
Speaker 1: ghetto kids to get the opportunity because they're gonna move
Speaker 1: the money away from people from the ghetto if he's
Speaker 1: able to pass as somebody from the streets. Like this
Speaker 1: is a little dude that had a Jewish fro his
Speaker 1: whole life, you know what I mean. And then now
Speaker 1: as a forty year old man, he's wearing you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, braids to the back, and it's like
Speaker 1: it just it's such an appropriate it's such an appropriation
Speaker 1: of culture, and people feel like he's entitled to it
Speaker 1: because his father is a black man from Memphis. No,
Speaker 1: this guy was raised in the Jewish community, a Jewish
Speaker 1: suburb in Canada. He went to Jewish private schools, he
Speaker 1: became a child actor, and that's how he spent his
Speaker 1: life and decided he wanted to rap. Everybody rapped when
Speaker 1: they were a little kid, because rap was the main
Speaker 1: state in their time, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: not like when I was little. Rap wasn't the biggest
Speaker 1: thing in the world. In the eighties, you heard Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson keep sweating shit, you didn't hear a ton of
Speaker 1: rap songs like on no mainstream outlet. Versus when you
Speaker 1: know Drake, who at this point is roughly forty years old.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That means he was born
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety somewhere around eight, like the late eighties
Speaker 1: or like ninety I mean, so if you, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you seven eight years old, and you know, you're
Speaker 1: talking about nineteen ninety five and ninety six, the biggest
Speaker 1: records in the world or other fucking records from rap artists,
Speaker 1: hip hop artists. So everybody was into rap music at
Speaker 1: that time because it started competing, It started competing with
Speaker 1: all of the best songs in the music industry. So
Speaker 1: I'm really careful with how I give that title away,
Speaker 1: and I definitely want to make an effort to look
Speaker 1: into other people and really figure out who really is
Speaker 1: hip hop and who's not, who's using the culture.
Speaker 2: It's funny, though, because you've been making these points for
Speaker 2: a minute, man, and uh, now that it got put
Speaker 2: out there like that by someone like a Kendrick, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like a lot of people starting
Speaker 2: to agree with it. It's still getting pushed back, of course,
Speaker 2: because that's just what people want to do. People don't
Speaker 2: like to be, you know, convinced like, damn, maybe I
Speaker 2: did have this wrong. I looked at this the wrong way.
Speaker 6: And it's probably getting pushed back by people who themselves
Speaker 6: are on the margins exactly as well, who are something else.
Speaker 6: It's getting pushed back from Ram show. It's not getting
Speaker 6: pushed back.
Speaker 1: From the culture itself. He's right, it's getting pushed back
Speaker 1: from people who feel like it's a weird group of
Speaker 1: people here that feel like he represents their interest in
Speaker 1: the conversation. And I'm like, bro, none of you niggas
Speaker 1: grew up Jewish. I don't care if your mom is
Speaker 1: black and y'all lived in the suburbs. Nigga, it wasn't
Speaker 1: his experience. This man has this is gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed in some of these dudes.
Speaker 1: Man, what happened?
Speaker 3: Just just some of these motherfuckers, like like Killy yo
Speaker 3: when Man, some of these motherfuckers want people to come
Speaker 3: on their platform so bad, and they feel like if
Speaker 3: they don't have an honest opinion, they're gonna prevent these people.
Speaker 3: They could possibly deny themselves the opportunity to have these
Speaker 3: people on their platform. Stop kissing ass man.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. Still, I'm not mad at nobody
Speaker 1: that's not staying biased. I'm actually more upset with a
Speaker 1: lot of West Coast media because they were not biased.
Speaker 1: Me and Joey you've been talking shit, be like bro
Speaker 1: y'all not gonna be biased at all?
Speaker 3: Like you should be a little biased. Do you gotta
Speaker 3: want the whole team to win?
Speaker 1: I've never I didn't feel no kind of way when
Speaker 1: Cameron and and May said, hey, you know, Drake, uh
Speaker 1: Toronto is a lot closer to fucking you know Harlem
Speaker 1: than fucking counting.
Speaker 2: They just want to stand on the bias though.
Speaker 1: They came to a place to where and maybe they
Speaker 1: weren't biased. Maybe it's they heard the battle, how they
Speaker 1: hurt the battle but they eventually came around and said,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: That knockout plunge that they said, that doesn't exist like
Speaker 2: a nigga, Like academics who just want to who's really
Speaker 2: really in pain to see his boy get his ass?
Speaker 1: I want to think for two seconds that niggas in pain.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I don't mean about no fucking them.
Speaker 1: Niggas ain't in pain. You know what they is? The
Speaker 1: best they is is embarrassed for picking the wrong Niggas.
Speaker 1: Don't get talk about no mother Listen, then niggas don't
Speaker 1: care about no morotherfucking Drake niggas. They don't care about
Speaker 1: Drake them. Niggas is in love with niggas and niggas ship.
Speaker 1: They are not in love with Drake. Flock on them
Speaker 1: act like they're in love with they we he's my friend.
Speaker 1: No he not. You Niggas love nigga because y'all try
Speaker 1: to act like niggas. You talk about niggas all day.
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody would look at academics podcasts or
Speaker 1: flock oh podcasts and if they was talking about Drake
Speaker 1: all day, niggas wouldn't give a fuck about that academic
Speaker 1: shit is built off ghetto shit in Chicago, issues that
Speaker 1: the ghetto had in Chicago. Flocko is building his whole
Speaker 1: platform off the issues the ghettos got in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: They don't even have a they would even have a
Speaker 2: platform without the ghetto.
Speaker 1: So they can't fool me when they act like they
Speaker 1: relate to Drake. No, y'all, don't you full of shit.
Speaker 1: You just aligning yourself with where you think the money
Speaker 1: is currently, and that's it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I don't.
Speaker 1: I never got offended when I saw that. Now that
Speaker 1: West Coast homies, you niggas better get y'all ass off
Speaker 1: the fits you are over here. It's okay to say
Speaker 1: a nigga got a great record, but you it's okay
Speaker 1: to be like nigga. I'm rude for my West Coast brother.
Speaker 1: It's the West.
Speaker 3: As you should. You ain't nothing wrong with takers, believe me,
Speaker 3: and catch from other places. They ride for they people.
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