1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: The conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed Wednesday 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of a speaking event at a college 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: campus in Utah. As fired, Kirk was thirty one oh 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: As of Thursday afternoon, a search is still underway for 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: the shooter. The FBI has released photos of a person 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: of interest, but does not have a suspect in custody. 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and you know who Charlie 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: Kirk is, I don't need to explain to you. 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Josh Wingrove is Bloomberg's senior White House correspondent. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: If you are listening to this and don't know who 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: he is, that probably says something about your algorithms, your 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: social streams, where you're living. Because Kirk was a tremendously 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: influential figure in the conservative movement. In the MAGA movement. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: Kirk galvanized a generation of conservative use through Turning Point USA, 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: the political group he founded when he was just eighteen. 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: He'd become a prominent right wing media personality as the 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: host of The Charlie Kirk Show and was a close 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: ally of President Donald Trump, who credited him with helping 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: him win the twenty twenty four election. Kirk's appearance at 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: Utah Valley University on Wednesday was the first stop on 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: a planned Turning Point USA tour of college campuses, where 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: he was hosting debates. Videos of the shooting spread quickly 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: on social media. 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: That is the sort of paradox of this world we're 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: living in where this happened essentially live captured by goodness 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: knows how many cameras, but the authorities are trying to 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: put one foot in front of the other and go 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: through their investigation. 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the big take from 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News Today on the show, How Charlie Kirk shaped 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: the conservative movement and how the political world is reacting 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: to his debt. Charlie Kirk was a rising political star 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: in Republican circles, synonymous with a brand of young conservatism 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: that helped to reelect Donald Trump in twenty twenty four. 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: He's a true to the bone Trump conservative. He's been 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: a Trump Conservative since the beginning of Trump and that's 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: why the president has such faith in him. We wrote 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: in one story that back in December, so after Trump 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: had won the election, he was kind of not doing 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: a lot like he was not doing rallies, but he 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: was picking his moments. He went to Notre Dame when 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: it reopened. He hung out of mar A Lago and 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: held Corton named cabinet appointees. He met the Prince of Wales, 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: and then he traveled to Arizona to appear on stage 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk. And that just indicates to you how 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: important a figure he was in the movement that Trump, 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: of course, is at the top of right now. And 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I think just stepping back, like Kirk's day job was 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: turning Point USA, which he built from a relatively small 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: sort of campus conservative organization to a very influential one. 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: But his impact was broader than that, and he was, 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, a big voice on social media at a 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: very popular podcast, and really did have the year of 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: some of the most powerful political conservatives in this country. 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: And he was a controversial figure, right Josh. He was 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: known for promoting the anti immigrant great replacement theory. 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: For example. Yeah, this is where it gets tricky, right, 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: because we've got someone that you know, has only passed 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: away very recently, and multiple things can be true. At 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: the same time, he's being eulogized by conservatives for well 62 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: by many people, including conservatives, for the role he played 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: in their movement, and at the same time he was 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: not popular among progressives who he was not ideologically aligned with. Obviously, 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: it is true that he is criticized heavily among Democrats, 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: who see him as fomenting some of the harsh partisan 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: environment we live in. 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, Kirk founded Turning Point USA, which soon 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: grew into one of the most influential political nonprofits in 70 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: the country. 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: Turning Point USA is a conservative youth group and Walmart 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: is like a former mom and pop store. I mean, 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: it is very difficult to overstate the influence of Turning Point, 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: and they did it by doing these campus style events 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: attracting donations. He co founded Turning Point when he was 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: just eighteen years old, and some of the numbers I 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: found really jaw dropping. It grows seventy eight grand in 78 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: its first year, seventy eight thousand dollars and Turning Point 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: had eighty five million in revenue in twenty twenty four. 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: So that just gives you a sense of the sprawl 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: of it. And I mentioned earlier that President Trump went 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: to Arizona to do this event with Kirk. He credited 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: him both in get out the vote efforts in Arizona, 84 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: getting people to go to the polls. Remember Trump lost 85 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Arizona in twenty twenty one at back in twenty twenty four. 86 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: Gave some of that credit to Kirk, but also Trump 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: made gains among young people in twenty twenty fours compared 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty. He also credited Kirk for that. You know, 89 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk credited TikTok for the kings with young people, 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: but Trump credited Kirk. So it grew out of these 91 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: campus events. Of course, campus culture and sort of progressives 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: on campus has long been a sort of rhetorical concern 93 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: or target of the American right who think that conservative 94 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: views are not welcome on campuses, and Charlie Kirk really 95 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: seized on that to be able to build a movement essentially, 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, migrate some of that conservative liberal proverbial culture 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: war stuff right to the campus level. But I really 98 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: cannot overstate how wide his clout was sort of built 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: on turning point, but not confined just to the work 100 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: of it. 101 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: Kirk's message especially resonated with the kinds of young men 102 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: who voted overwhelmingly to re elect Trump. 103 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Kirk really plugged into that, and it's very popular in 104 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: the podcast sort of you know, online manisphere. We should 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: note also that he's was very public about his faith, 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: and so many people of faith, including men of faith 107 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: of Christian faith specifically admired him and follow him in 108 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: part about that and liked that he was very vocal 109 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: about his faith. So there are a lot of tenets 110 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: to what made Kirk such an influential conservative figure. 111 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: After the break, more from my conversation with Josh Wingrove 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: about the killing of Charlie Kirk and its impact in 113 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: this divisive political moment. Charlie Kirk's shooting on Wednesday was 114 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: the latest shocking attack on political figures in the US. 115 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Trump himself was the target of two assassination attempts during 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: his campaign, and in June, two Democratic Minnesota lawmakers and 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: their spouses were shot at their homes. State Representative Melissa 118 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: Hortman and her husband Mark were killed, and State Senator 119 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette were injured. Bloomberg Senior 120 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: White House correspondent Josh Wingrove says this pattern of political 121 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: violence is a distinctly American problem. 122 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: We don't see it to this extent in a lot 123 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: of other Western democracies. So I think we should be 124 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: clear eyed about the problem America has on its hands. 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: And this was a through line of a lot of 126 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: commentary from Democrats and Republicans about wanting to take down 127 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: the temperature. Because we also had, of course the arson 128 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: attempt that may have been an attempted killing of Governor 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Jos Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Recently, there was a twenty twenty 130 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: two violent attack on Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband. We had, 131 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: of course, the twenty twenty one January sixth event at 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: the Capitol. President Trump of course pardoned everyone and n 133 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: everyone involved in that Foyle plot to capture Governor Gretchen 134 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: Whitmer of Michigan. Twenty seventeen shooting of Louisiana Republican Steve Scalize, 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: twenty eleven shooting of Arizona Democrat Gabby Giffords. This is 136 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: happening too much. I mean, this is heartbreaking, and I 137 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: think the question is how can the temperature be brought down? 138 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: I'll note that in his video Wednesday night, President Trump 139 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: did cite some of those but only the ones with 140 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Republican victims or Republican targets, and so he is emphasizing 141 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: for his audience that Republicans are being targeted from the left. 142 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: He is not framing it as there have been this 143 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: string of political violence that has targeted Democrats and Republicans alike, 144 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: of course, including this horrible shooting of Charlie Kirk, but 145 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: also other examples that's difficult to separate here, and that 146 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: could potentially create, of course, the space and political will 147 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: in the conservative movement to use this moment to go 148 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: on a broader push of some kind. 149 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: Josh you said, there's this desire on both sides of 150 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: the political aisle to bring down the temperature of political discourse. 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: After Kirk's killing, Elon Musk posted on x that the 152 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: quote left is the party of murder, while Trump called 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Kirk a martyr for truth and freedom in a video statement, 154 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: and he blamed the radical left for the attack. Of course, 155 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: no suspect or motive has been identified as of now. 156 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: But what kind of impact do you see Kirk's death 157 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: and his killer having on political division in this country? 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: I worry that it will only exacerbate it. And let 159 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: me read to one of the comments from President Trump 160 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: that I think is going to be notable, and that is, quote, 161 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: my administration will find each and every one of those 162 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: who contributed to this atrocity into other political violence, including 163 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: the organizations that fund it and support it, end quote. 164 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: And so that really signals what I'm talking about earlier 165 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: in that Trump is framing this or saying immediately that 166 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: this is part of a larger campaign or effort, and 167 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the law enforcement authorities, including I should note a Republican 168 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: governor of Utah, are not going that far yet. And 169 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: so the assassination of Charlie Kirk is one thing, but 170 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I think the concern is that it could be used 171 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: for something broader, and it's just not clear yet you 172 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: know where that will land. Consertives listening to this will 173 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: have seen or may point to examples of liberals somewhere 174 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and some feed that they're watching saying something ungracious about 175 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: this and about mister Kirk after his passing. Of course, 176 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: there are examples of everything you can find out there. 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: But right now I think most top Democrats, including like 178 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the DNC chair and senators and governors, are calling for 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: begging for people to take down the temperature on this. 180 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: Some Republicans are as well. President Trump not so much really, 181 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: and so we just don't know where it's going to go. 182 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: Whether people feel less comfortable engaging publicly is another question, 183 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: and that of course is a core element of some 184 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: of the eulogy of Kirk in that he is praised 185 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: by conservatives for, you know, going out there, free exchange 186 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: of ideas, debates on campuses. They love that about him, 187 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: and so if people are less willing or comfortable to 188 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: go out in public and debate ideas, that is exactly 189 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: what Charlie Kirk wanted to have happened, even if the 190 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: ideas he was debating were unpalatable to half or less 191 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: than half of his audience. He believed in, sort of 192 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: advocated for and built his brand on the sort of 193 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: free exchange of ideas. And now if people are uncomfortable 194 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: doing that because of a security risk, that is a 195 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: layer here of something else that might have been lost. 196 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: But you're seeing conservatives say, like, you know, they've created 197 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: a thousand Charlie Kirks. In other words, people will try 198 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: to carry on his legacy. But again, it just feels 199 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: like things are very fraught right now, not only because 200 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: of the death of a young man who leaves behind 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: a spouse in two lovely little kids. But just because 202 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: of the potential for escalation and continuance one way or another. 203 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: Josh, I want to end on that legacy question. You 204 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: cover the White House. Kirk was a real ally and 205 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: close friend of many there, and we've heard about the 206 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: shock and the sadness there. Yes, And what do you 207 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: see as the legacy of the shooting and the legacy 208 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: of Kirk himself. 209 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Well, Kirk will go down as one of the most 210 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: influential conservatives of his generation. I think there's just simply 211 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: no arguing that. In terms of the legacy of his passing. 212 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I think it's just too soon to say, you know, 213 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: will Turning Point be as effective? How will people take 214 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: up the baton of the work Kirk was doing. It's 215 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: just too soon to say. But of course the Republican 216 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: Party is at a crossroads. Trump is, at least on paper, 217 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: not running again or trying to run again. All those 218 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: that will sort of decide where the Republican Party goes 219 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: from me here, they were virtually all friends with Charlie Kirk, right, 220 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: and so his legacy lives on. It's amazing watching how 221 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: many of them are tweeting like their most recent texts 222 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: from him, I mean, senators, governor's whatever, So his legacy 223 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: sort of will sort of live on through them. But again, 224 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to gloss over the risk that it 225 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: is the base upon which something else, not necessarily violence, 226 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: but you know, an investigation or something some kind of 227 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: probe could build upon that could end up exacerbating the 228 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: political tensions of the moment. But the Conservatives might argue 229 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: is necessary to do justice to the death of Charlie Kirk, 230 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: and that is the real sort of fork in the 231 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: road that we're at right now. 232 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder. 233 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: To get more from The Big Take and unlimited access 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: to all of Bloomberg dot com, subscribe today at Bloomberg 235 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast offer. If you liked this episode, 236 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: make sure to follow and review The Big Take wherever 237 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show. 238 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.