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Speaker 2: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jess Cossavetto, executive producer of the Netflix series Dancing for

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Speaker 2: the Devil the Seven M TikTok Cult. This documentary explored

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Speaker 2: the story of Robert Shin, the La based cha Kinda

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Speaker 2: Church in seven M Films. Shin founded Chakina Church over

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Speaker 2: two decades ago before establishing seven M and is named

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Speaker 2: in a civil lawsuit alleging abuse and cult like behavior.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Khaliah Gray, former member of Chakinda Church and

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Speaker 3: seven M Films.

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Speaker 2: In this special episode, we're gonna sit down with Melanie Lee,

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Speaker 2: a key figure from Dancing for the Devil, the Seven

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Speaker 2: last episode with Melanie and Kevin and Khalia diving a

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Speaker 2: little bit more into her experience with Chakaina. In life

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Speaker 2: after the Church, she sheds light on Robert's tactics, offering

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Speaker 2: reflect on the pivotal moments not fully explored in the documentary.

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Speaker 2: There were a lot we only had so much time,

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Speaker 2: including her trip to Korea and revealing conversations with her

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Speaker 2: had such a good time catching up with Melanie. I

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Speaker 3: Too, And now our conversation with Melanie.

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Speaker 4: Lee Melanie, Hello, Hell, welcome Hello.

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Speaker 2: I kind of breezed past the fact that you are

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Speaker 2: life because of you, and so I'm so thankful to

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Knocking on the door in the palace, do you want

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Speaker 2: So, Catherine, Robert's sister who you briefly mentioned she was

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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you had him by your

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Speaker 1: You need to get on it that you guys are

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Speaker 1: going to get a call from me.

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Speaker 5: Your podcast called.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know, but you'll get an update on

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Speaker 1: the only platform I have is Instagram. I'm like a

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Speaker 1: Gramma when it comes to social media, so correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm doing something wrong. But at Melanie Lee and

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Speaker 1: then I'll post updates.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated this conversation and getting to see you again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming here. Yes, hopefully we'll

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Speaker 3: sit and talk in front of the microphones again tomorrow. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited because I know we could sit here

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Speaker 3: and I'm really.

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Speaker 1: Excited for it. I love the friendships that we've generated

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Speaker 1: through the documentary. All of us had great relationships with

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Speaker 1: you guys. I'm like, I'm so proud whenever I watched

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Speaker 1: your stories or posts like you and Kevin, you guys

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Speaker 1: are doing amazing, you know, and all the other dancers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's nice that we all got

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Speaker 1: to like get together and we can only talk about

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Speaker 1: this with each other and truly understand right, So thank

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Speaker 1: you for doing this and for doing what you can

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Speaker 1: to also bring awareness.

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Speaker 5: Yay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We'd like to thank Melanie for coming in and sharing

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Speaker 3: her story with us on today's episode and last week's episode.

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Speaker 3: We truly appreciate her courage and speaking about her experiences,

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Speaker 3: and we wish her all the best on her future endeavors.

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Speaker 2: Since this recording, Melanie's video podcast found its title, and

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Speaker 2: you guessed it, It's called That's Culty. For more info,

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Speaker 2: follow at Melanie Lee on Instagram. It'll be available on

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Speaker 2: YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts soon enough. We

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Speaker 2: will definitely be listening.

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Speaker 3: Forgive Me For I Have Fallen is a production from

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Speaker 3: wv Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Mikael Tore podcast network,

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Speaker 3: hosted by me Khalia Gray and me Jess Cosabetto Forgive

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Speaker 3: Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Burlson

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Speaker 3: and Sophie Spencer Zavos.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, myself, Wilmar Valderrama, Leo

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Speaker 2: Klem and Aaron Burlson at wv Sound.

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Speaker 5: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy.

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Speaker 3: And features original music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 4: See you next week, See you next week,