WEBVTT - People Seem to Die Around Her 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:15.125 School of Humans. Yeah, so I had a conversation with 0:00:15.245 --> 0:00:19.605 dad last night and he is leaving. He and my 0:00:19.685 --> 0:00:24.645 stepmom are leaving on this four day hunting trip, and 0:00:24.725 --> 0:00:28.205 so he took me aside and told me, he said, 0:00:28.245 --> 0:00:30.885 here's the thirty eight. He's got a loaded thirty eight 0:00:31.125 --> 0:00:34.805 and another gun, and then he's got He's like in 0:00:34.885 --> 0:00:37.405 Dirty Harry lives here. He's got his dirty Hairy gun. 0:00:38.525 --> 0:00:41.285 There's three fully loaded weapons sitting there. And I had 0:00:41.285 --> 0:00:43.205 a plan if anyone came to the house and came 0:00:43.285 --> 0:00:48.365 up the stairs. They know where we live too, So yeah, 0:00:48.405 --> 0:00:51.725 we just decided to stay together. We have a full 0:00:51.765 --> 0:00:55.525 bar here and also some guns that are loaded, so 0:00:55.725 --> 0:00:57.925 that was important. It's been about a week since our 0:00:57.965 --> 0:01:01.325 conversation with Chris. My dad and stepmom have left for 0:01:01.325 --> 0:01:04.085 a hunting trip and left us with my dad's guns 0:01:04.085 --> 0:01:07.005 in case anyone comes by the house. On top of that, 0:01:07.565 --> 0:01:10.485 James has had to leave town for another assignment. So 0:01:10.565 --> 0:01:15.245 for now, it's just Taylor and me and out there somewhere. 0:01:15.725 --> 0:01:23.805 Rebecca's killer. In September of two thousand and four, twenty 0:01:23.805 --> 0:01:26.925 two year old Rebecca Gould was brutally murdered in a 0:01:26.965 --> 0:01:31.685 remote area of the Arkansas Ozarks. Fourteen years later, her 0:01:31.765 --> 0:01:35.165 killer is still out there. I've come back to Mountain 0:01:35.245 --> 0:01:39.685 View with one mission to get justice for Rebecca. I'm 0:01:39.765 --> 0:01:55.125 Catherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. After he retired, 0:01:55.525 --> 0:01:58.085 my dad built a big country home that's a replica 0:01:58.125 --> 0:02:01.645 of one of Thomas Jefferson's houses. The French colonial White 0:02:01.685 --> 0:02:04.725 Column Plantation House sits on top of a mountain, overlooking 0:02:04.725 --> 0:02:10.965 Mountain View. Architecturally it's beautiful, but because it overlooks the town, 0:02:11.245 --> 0:02:14.965 everyone knows where we live. It's quiet here at night, 0:02:15.485 --> 0:02:19.325 dead quiet, except for the sound of an old ticking 0:02:19.445 --> 0:02:24.485 grandfather clock. After we locked the gate, we hunkered down 0:02:24.485 --> 0:02:26.765 in my war room upstairs to take another look at 0:02:26.765 --> 0:02:31.005 the murder board. In this whole region, I mean, we 0:02:31.045 --> 0:02:33.805 saw my storm. There's a huge drug problem, and I 0:02:33.845 --> 0:02:37.965 get why there's this big focus on drugs, but in 0:02:38.005 --> 0:02:40.405 this case, and again, you know, everything has to be 0:02:40.405 --> 0:02:42.845 taken case by case. In this case, it really wasn't 0:02:42.845 --> 0:02:46.045 a factor, or doesn't seem to have been. I think 0:02:46.045 --> 0:02:50.365 that they genuinely thought that Chris might have had something 0:02:50.365 --> 0:02:54.525 to do with it, and also perhaps the thought was, well, 0:02:54.565 --> 0:02:58.045 he's a bad guy. He deals drugs, he's on drugs. 0:02:58.685 --> 0:03:01.085 It was just really easy to sort of slot him 0:03:01.085 --> 0:03:03.525 into that and say, maybe he did it, And we 0:03:03.605 --> 0:03:06.165 really don't even know why he got accused of it. Well, 0:03:06.205 --> 0:03:08.565 I still don't understand why. I mean, and granted the 0:03:08.605 --> 0:03:11.565 police aren't sharing evidence, so there could be evidence we 0:03:11.605 --> 0:03:15.845 don't know about, but I mean, I really have no 0:03:15.965 --> 0:03:19.885 idea why he was named as a suspect other than 0:03:20.125 --> 0:03:21.925 I mean, I'm in my head. I'm always thinking like, 0:03:21.965 --> 0:03:24.445 how could it have happened? The only thing that I 0:03:24.565 --> 0:03:26.965 have found or that I can recall that would really 0:03:26.965 --> 0:03:29.845 put him there is when Rebecca called Jesse saying that 0:03:29.845 --> 0:03:32.485 she needed a new alternator, but he couldn't provide that, 0:03:32.645 --> 0:03:35.245 so she called Chris. So if she did call Chris, 0:03:35.285 --> 0:03:37.365 and if Chris was in her recent contact, that is 0:03:37.445 --> 0:03:40.645 literally the only reason that I can think of that 0:03:41.005 --> 0:03:44.125 made the cops even go towards him, right, And but 0:03:44.165 --> 0:03:47.005 that's still not I still don't understand where they went 0:03:47.005 --> 0:03:50.485 from there too. He did it because he has a 0:03:50.525 --> 0:03:54.005 bad rep Yeah, I think so, unless there's some major 0:03:54.045 --> 0:03:57.485 piece that we're missing, I think so, because if there's 0:03:57.485 --> 0:04:02.565 no DNA evidence that implicates him. And again That's another thing. 0:04:02.605 --> 0:04:04.725 Without going off on a tangent again, that really troubles 0:04:04.805 --> 0:04:06.325 me about this case is that there is a ton 0:04:06.365 --> 0:04:08.685 There was a ton of evidence in the house and 0:04:08.765 --> 0:04:13.525 a lot of blood. So why was there no usable forensics? 0:04:13.525 --> 0:04:17.805 Why was there no usable DNA evidence? You know, if 0:04:17.885 --> 0:04:21.965 Chris did this, why is there no DNA? Is it 0:04:22.005 --> 0:04:24.245 because it was messed up or because it wasn't there. 0:04:27.285 --> 0:04:30.125 We've explored the police theory that Chris killed Rebecca in 0:04:30.165 --> 0:04:32.965 a drug fueled rage and that his friend JB helped 0:04:33.005 --> 0:04:36.005 him clean up. We've concluded that this doesn't make sense. 0:04:36.645 --> 0:04:39.005 It seems like Chris and JB were in the frame 0:04:39.085 --> 0:04:42.845 because a they were both involved in drugs and b 0:04:43.365 --> 0:04:46.525 they had both talked to Rebecca recently. And since we 0:04:46.605 --> 0:04:49.725 saw the autopsy report, it looks more and more like 0:04:49.765 --> 0:04:53.365 Rebecca's murder was unplanned and a crime of passion, but 0:04:53.445 --> 0:04:57.005 not a drug fueled rage. I don't buy the theory 0:04:57.045 --> 0:05:00.325 that there is no DNA from Chris because he got lucky. 0:05:01.285 --> 0:05:04.485 Chris's DNA is not there because Chris was never there. 0:05:04.965 --> 0:05:08.445 But if they he didn't kill Rebecca, who did? Now 0:05:08.485 --> 0:05:10.525 we need to go back to another rumor we've heard 0:05:10.525 --> 0:05:13.285 about the murder that a female or a group of 0:05:13.325 --> 0:05:17.085 people including a female, killed Rebecca, and that group's centers 0:05:17.165 --> 0:05:21.205 around Jennifer. Jennifer is the common thread of everyone in 0:05:21.205 --> 0:05:24.765 the group, and at the time of Rebecca's murder, Jennifer 0:05:24.845 --> 0:05:28.525 was dating Rebecca's ex boyfriend, Justin and she was pregnant 0:05:28.565 --> 0:05:32.205 with his child at the time. Jennifer was also good 0:05:32.245 --> 0:05:35.885 friends with Cindy, who was dating Chris. She knew JB 0:05:36.045 --> 0:05:39.125 too because he lived in her rental house, and also 0:05:39.605 --> 0:05:43.485 Jennifer knew Casey from working at Sonic. Several witnesses have 0:05:43.605 --> 0:05:46.125 told us that Jennifer got into an argument with Rebecca 0:05:46.165 --> 0:05:49.805 over Justin on at least one occasion. We've heard sometimes 0:05:49.805 --> 0:05:52.565 the fights turned physical, and Rebecca was not the kind 0:05:52.605 --> 0:05:56.085 of girl to back down from a fight. Several members 0:05:56.085 --> 0:05:59.205 of Rebecca's family have mentioned feeling like Jennifer may have 0:05:59.245 --> 0:06:02.165 been involved in some way. The police say that Jennifer 0:06:02.205 --> 0:06:04.285 had an alibi for the day of the murder. They 0:06:04.325 --> 0:06:06.405 claimed she was shopping and say there are credit card 0:06:06.405 --> 0:06:09.165 receipts to back this up. But again, since they aren't 0:06:09.165 --> 0:06:12.165 sharing any information with us, we can't rule her out 0:06:12.245 --> 0:06:21.005 until we verify the information ourselves. Oh hey, it's it's 0:06:21.085 --> 0:06:29.845 Catherine Townsend. Oh, I forgot sure. This is Shirley, Rebecca's mother. 0:06:30.725 --> 0:06:33.165 The last time she talked to her daughter was on Sunday, 0:06:33.565 --> 0:06:37.085 the day before Rebecca was murdered. Rebecca was in Harp's 0:06:37.125 --> 0:06:40.205 grocery store with Casey, and as she chatted with her mother, 0:06:40.605 --> 0:06:42.405 she told her that she was running out of minutes 0:06:42.565 --> 0:06:45.605 and would call her back. It's a call that Shirley 0:06:45.725 --> 0:06:50.125 never received. Were you reading a mont how Raymond's side there? 0:06:50.885 --> 0:06:55.445 And I'm looking for Rebecca all day long duringut the day, 0:06:56.445 --> 0:07:01.005 and we were stopping traffic on the road in front 0:07:01.045 --> 0:07:04.365 of that where that trailer was and asking people if 0:07:04.405 --> 0:07:07.245 they had seen Rebecca own the car, and people comment 0:07:07.325 --> 0:07:09.485 and it's a small place. Yeah, there was a car 0:07:09.565 --> 0:07:14.125 load of people that were stopped with her and we 0:07:14.125 --> 0:07:16.525 were trying to find out who it was. And I 0:07:16.565 --> 0:07:19.605 can't remember, but it was unifor in now, but it 0:07:19.645 --> 0:07:23.045 was a car load of them. But I'm okay, it's 0:07:23.165 --> 0:07:27.245 dangerous trying to get it from her. I've heard you know, 0:07:27.565 --> 0:07:29.685 she may be responsible for the deaths of her parents, 0:07:29.725 --> 0:07:32.125 maybe other people. Certainly, even if she didn't do any 0:07:32.125 --> 0:07:34.085 of that. She's still a tough girl, you know. I 0:07:34.125 --> 0:07:38.045 mean that's putting it really lightly. So you were there 0:07:38.085 --> 0:07:41.525 that week you're looking for Rebecca, When did you When 0:07:41.565 --> 0:07:44.965 did Jennifer's name first come up for you? Oh? Right up, 0:07:45.045 --> 0:07:48.245 right away, right away? Because that was the car load 0:07:48.285 --> 0:07:50.645 of people. This is the first I've heard of a 0:07:50.685 --> 0:07:53.965 car load of people confronting Rebecca. We need to look 0:07:54.005 --> 0:07:57.125 into this. As we keep talking, Shirley tells me a 0:07:57.125 --> 0:08:00.085 story about some earrings she gave Rebecca. You could call it. 0:08:00.645 --> 0:08:04.205 Google it on the internet, where they'd make them in Mexico, 0:08:04.725 --> 0:08:08.485 your gold hearing. And then this guy that I knew, 0:08:09.045 --> 0:08:12.525 he went to Mexico and he brought them back and 0:08:12.565 --> 0:08:15.045 he gave them to me because he liked me. But 0:08:15.125 --> 0:08:19.725 Rebecca asked me to borrow up hearing aid here and 0:08:20.205 --> 0:08:22.365 it's the Lord's prayer. I think you have to have 0:08:22.445 --> 0:08:26.445 a magnifying glass to see. But there's their goals and 0:08:26.565 --> 0:08:29.325 the Lord's prayers written up. If you ever ran Jennifer, 0:08:29.445 --> 0:08:33.125 look at her ears because I figured, you know, to gott. 0:08:33.805 --> 0:08:36.765 I haven't seen or heard about any earrings in Rebecca's 0:08:36.765 --> 0:08:39.365 belongings or that she was wearing any at the time 0:08:39.405 --> 0:08:43.005 of her death. So was Shirley mistaken or could the 0:08:43.045 --> 0:08:45.925 killer of taking the earrings as a souvenir. I know 0:08:46.125 --> 0:08:50.205 who did it, I just want to foot behind bars. 0:08:56.845 --> 0:09:00.045 Over the years, Rebecca's father, Larry, has gotten hundreds of 0:09:00.085 --> 0:09:04.725 tips and conducted an exhaustive investigation, and one day he 0:09:04.805 --> 0:09:09.805 got a letter from unlikely source. Brian Bangs. Brian is 0:09:09.885 --> 0:09:15.045 Jennifer's x husband. He's also a convicted double murderer. He 0:09:15.285 --> 0:09:20.085 killed Jennifer's parents. Brian was found guilty of two counts 0:09:20.125 --> 0:09:22.245 of capital murder in the deaths of his mother in 0:09:22.285 --> 0:09:25.445 law and father in law. He was also convicted of rape, 0:09:25.685 --> 0:09:29.645 class B felony, kidnapping, and first degree felony battery of 0:09:29.685 --> 0:09:33.925 his wife. Jennifer. Well, I didn't know the story behind Brian. 0:09:34.445 --> 0:09:37.805 I had to research the story, and I know that 0:09:38.245 --> 0:09:42.645 the first time he reached out to me, I think 0:09:42.685 --> 0:09:45.325 he I believe he told me bits and pieces of it. 0:09:45.685 --> 0:09:49.045 He was given two life sentences plus eighty five years. 0:09:49.925 --> 0:09:52.605 He's currently serving as sentence in the Cummins Unit of 0:09:52.645 --> 0:09:56.445 the Arkansas Department of Corrections with no possibility of parole. 0:09:57.685 --> 0:10:01.445 Brian has maintained his innocence over the years, but at trial, 0:10:02.005 --> 0:10:06.205 the prosecutors presented a compelling case. They that Brian went 0:10:06.245 --> 0:10:09.045 to Jennifer's parents' house and hid in the bathroom shower. 0:10:09.765 --> 0:10:12.205 He waited until the family went to sleep at around 0:10:12.245 --> 0:10:15.205 ten thirty pm, then crept through the house to the 0:10:15.205 --> 0:10:22.005 bedroom and shot them in their bed. After shooting Jennifer's parents, 0:10:22.485 --> 0:10:25.605 Jennifer testified that Brian yanked her up out of the bed, 0:10:26.085 --> 0:10:28.405 hit her in the head with a gun, and dragged 0:10:28.445 --> 0:10:31.725 her through the hallway by her foot, leaving bloodstains on 0:10:31.765 --> 0:10:35.645 the carpet. He tied her up and eventually drove her 0:10:35.645 --> 0:10:38.605 into the woods where he attacked her. As I got 0:10:38.645 --> 0:10:41.245 talking to other people that were familiar with what had 0:10:41.245 --> 0:10:44.725 taken place, I realized that some of the same players 0:10:45.045 --> 0:10:49.605 were involved with Debs. In his letters to Larry, Brian 0:10:49.645 --> 0:10:53.285 wrote that he believes Jennifer is a sociopathic killer who 0:10:53.365 --> 0:10:55.925 was involved in Rebecca's death and in the death of 0:10:55.925 --> 0:10:59.645 her parents. In one of his appeals, Brian claimed that 0:10:59.725 --> 0:11:02.125 Jennifer's mother was sitting up in the bed when he 0:11:02.165 --> 0:11:06.245 shot her, and then he merely clicked and began shooting. However, 0:11:06.605 --> 0:11:10.525 the medical examiner testified that both of Jennifer's parents' injuries 0:11:10.565 --> 0:11:13.285 were consistent with their lying asleep in bed when they 0:11:13.285 --> 0:11:17.045 were shot. I think part of Brian's motive in wanting 0:11:17.085 --> 0:11:19.765 to assist us with Rebecca's case is the fact that 0:11:19.805 --> 0:11:23.285 he thinks helping find her killer might help him. And 0:11:23.445 --> 0:11:26.405 obviously we have to take anything he says with a 0:11:26.445 --> 0:11:29.565 massive grain of salt. But if him believing that his 0:11:29.645 --> 0:11:32.365 case will turn into the next West Memphis three will 0:11:32.365 --> 0:11:34.965 get him to talk about Rebecca, I'm all for doing 0:11:34.965 --> 0:11:38.925 an interview. I gave Brian a little bit of the 0:11:38.925 --> 0:11:41.805 benefit of the doubt to start with, and I felt 0:11:41.805 --> 0:11:44.525 like maybe exploring it. So I had an individual go 0:11:44.605 --> 0:11:48.325 down there and talk to him and determine what the 0:11:48.405 --> 0:11:52.125 actual story was, and also to give me an opinion 0:11:52.165 --> 0:11:55.965 of the veracity of what his statements were. And the 0:11:56.005 --> 0:12:00.285 feeling was that he was being truthful. And then I 0:12:00.565 --> 0:12:03.685 finally decided much later to try to go to see him. 0:12:03.765 --> 0:12:05.445 And then you have to get all kinds of approof 0:12:06.285 --> 0:12:10.165 and they ended up, according to him, they denied us 0:12:10.445 --> 0:12:13.205 right to get together. Now I'm trying to get permission 0:12:13.205 --> 0:12:14.925 to see him right now, and it'd be interesting to 0:12:14.925 --> 0:12:17.925 see you know what he says now about all that 0:12:17.965 --> 0:12:19.925 and if it's changed, And they, of course they said 0:12:19.925 --> 0:12:21.765 we filled our forms out wrong. So now we're kind 0:12:21.765 --> 0:12:24.045 of maybe going through a version of what you went through. 0:12:24.205 --> 0:12:26.765 We'll see. I've been trying to organize a visit with Brian, 0:12:27.125 --> 0:12:30.445 but I keep getting denied. As a licensed private investigator, 0:12:30.725 --> 0:12:33.445 I was required to pass a fairly stringent background check, 0:12:33.925 --> 0:12:37.085 so I find this refusal a bit strange, and no 0:12:37.165 --> 0:12:40.165 one will tell me why I've been refused. It's things 0:12:40.205 --> 0:12:42.125 like that that happened to you that make you go 0:12:42.845 --> 0:12:48.805 why what? What are people trying to protect here? Finally, 0:12:49.205 --> 0:12:52.205 after a week of back and forth, Taylor gets approved. 0:12:52.605 --> 0:12:55.205 She logs on and can see Brian sitting in the 0:12:55.205 --> 0:12:57.765 middle of a public area in the prison. Hey Brian, 0:12:58.165 --> 0:13:04.605 so what's been going on? How's everything going? So one 0:13:04.645 --> 0:13:07.485 day of the time. Video conferencing with the prisoner is 0:13:07.525 --> 0:13:09.965 a bit surreal because you feel like you're right there 0:13:09.965 --> 0:13:13.085 in the prison. You can see the other inmates behind 0:13:13.085 --> 0:13:16.325 the person you're talking with, playing cards on cold metal 0:13:16.325 --> 0:13:19.685 tables and walking around in their wife beaters. Brian is 0:13:19.685 --> 0:13:22.525 in his fifties and he still sports a mustache. He 0:13:22.605 --> 0:13:26.365 has thick, round framed glasses that are oddly fashionable. Brian 0:13:26.445 --> 0:13:30.325 wears earbuds and mentions he likes listening to music. He 0:13:30.365 --> 0:13:32.845 writes in one of his letters to Taylor to download 0:13:32.885 --> 0:13:36.765 Princess of the Dawn by the group Except branches up 0:13:36.805 --> 0:13:45.205 with Don. What exactly was the timeline of your relationship 0:13:45.245 --> 0:13:49.085 with Jennifer? Brian's video feed starts to sputter. He freezes 0:13:49.165 --> 0:13:52.405 up in digital static as he talks, Well, we doing 0:13:52.485 --> 0:13:55.685 each other. That's where we're key is when she done 0:13:55.725 --> 0:13:59.605 six things, she started working at Beta Hut, and one 0:13:59.605 --> 0:14:02.885 of the guys that she went to school with around 0:14:02.885 --> 0:14:06.965 with me all the time, and he kept telling me 0:14:07.245 --> 0:14:10.365 when he's going out to the Jennifer. And finally we 0:14:10.405 --> 0:14:14.565 went my Pizza Hut and got st to drink and 0:14:14.685 --> 0:14:19.045 she started talking with me, and after she got off 0:14:19.125 --> 0:14:24.005 work that night, she started chasing me around and pretty 0:14:24.085 --> 0:14:29.405 much until she called me. And now that was from 0:14:29.725 --> 0:14:35.605 May of ninety three until we started sticking together in 0:14:35.685 --> 0:14:39.765 October ninety three, and our relationship just forgiving them then 0:14:42.045 --> 0:14:44.365 and when he ended up getting married and having a 0:14:44.445 --> 0:14:48.925 fun after my Bay the drivers got killed, we was 0:14:48.925 --> 0:14:50.685 in a car wreck and he got killed and I 0:14:52.365 --> 0:14:55.605 tied it well, you know, he got killed on a Thursday. 0:14:55.645 --> 0:14:57.885 We buried him on a Sunday, and she just said 0:14:57.925 --> 0:15:02.005 nothing to me, is Jack. Everything was fine. We wept 0:15:02.045 --> 0:15:05.165 together right now, we dinner together right now, went to 0:15:05.165 --> 0:15:09.405 bed the other got up. The next morning, she got 0:15:09.485 --> 0:15:12.285 up and go to work and I got up to 0:15:12.325 --> 0:15:17.205 go to work and she never come home. In late 0:15:17.245 --> 0:15:20.445 nineteen ninety six, Brian got into a car wreck and 0:15:20.485 --> 0:15:24.365 shortly after that Jennifer left him. Next Sunday is when 0:15:24.365 --> 0:15:26.725 I got tolded you on Monday. I think they was 0:15:26.765 --> 0:15:28.725 still on a Sunday, and I was charged on the 0:15:29.885 --> 0:15:32.765 next day or the next day. Time, my dad, When 0:15:32.765 --> 0:15:38.645 did you originally hear about Rebecca's case? Somebody sent me 0:15:39.165 --> 0:15:41.445 news never quitting and they wrote in the bottom of 0:15:41.485 --> 0:15:47.605 it strange but jimfers players to be involved in that. 0:15:49.125 --> 0:15:57.645 And then after that, when did you reach out to Larry? 0:15:58.685 --> 0:16:02.565 It probably took a while after that. Now Brian has 0:16:02.605 --> 0:16:05.125 been writing Larry letters for years and offered to help 0:16:05.165 --> 0:16:07.525 him with Rebecca's case, and a lot of what he 0:16:07.565 --> 0:16:11.045 writes can only qualify as jailhouse rumors and unqualified leads. 0:16:11.685 --> 0:16:14.205 He claims that his ex wife and other members of 0:16:14.205 --> 0:16:17.845 her family were involved in Jennifer's parents murder. Some of 0:16:17.845 --> 0:16:20.485 his claims in the letters are bizarre. He said that 0:16:20.525 --> 0:16:22.365 he spoke to someone in prison who told him that 0:16:22.405 --> 0:16:25.005 Rebecca was tortured and held hostage for several days on 0:16:25.045 --> 0:16:27.725 a mattress, But it was in the first letter that 0:16:27.845 --> 0:16:30.685 he pointed the finger at Jennifer. Different people come through 0:16:30.725 --> 0:16:34.085 here that I spoke with and everything, and after that one, 0:16:34.125 --> 0:16:37.405 I've got a hold of Hilary and from you know, 0:16:37.605 --> 0:16:40.045 because I heard from more than one person that Jennifer 0:16:40.125 --> 0:16:43.685 was connected with it, and I to trying to give 0:16:43.765 --> 0:16:46.605 him some sort of closure, you know, days, you know, 0:16:47.325 --> 0:16:50.085 Taylor asked Brian about what Jennifer's motive may have been 0:16:50.165 --> 0:16:55.685 if she killed Rebecca. They would have been over. Just 0:16:58.645 --> 0:17:05.205 from I understanding, Rebecca and Justin were a couple, and 0:17:06.805 --> 0:17:13.605 then Jennifer started dating, and then Jennifer got pregnant, and uh, 0:17:14.045 --> 0:17:16.445 she don't really been a new Rebecca, Wasn't it? A 0:17:16.525 --> 0:17:20.085 number of times at the time of Rebecca's murder, Jennifer 0:17:20.165 --> 0:17:23.645 was pregnant with Justin's baby, she was jealous of Rebecca, 0:17:23.845 --> 0:17:27.045 and they were no longer friends. Brian has sent us 0:17:27.085 --> 0:17:29.645 a bunch of witness statements, but none of them have 0:17:29.765 --> 0:17:32.605 notary seals, so I'm not sure how legit they are. 0:17:33.365 --> 0:17:37.205 I've got newspaper clippings that I've got out of three 0:17:37.245 --> 0:17:42.245 different papers. I'm not a witness statement him and his wife. 0:17:42.325 --> 0:17:45.365 They witnessed Jennifer and Rebecca of a fight and a 0:17:45.445 --> 0:17:49.165 physical altercation at a place called Reno's and made port 0:17:49.165 --> 0:17:52.285 the gas station. And then I've got another witness statement 0:17:53.005 --> 0:17:58.125 that that I can't remember. I call this what I've got, 0:17:58.365 --> 0:18:01.525 But anyway, he wrote down that he was at a 0:18:01.565 --> 0:18:07.765 party in Leslie and Jim for injustins Or. We know 0:18:07.925 --> 0:18:11.205 that people in town are scared of Jennifer, but is 0:18:11.245 --> 0:18:15.405 she really capable of murder? And on that morning would 0:18:15.525 --> 0:18:17.965 she have had a reason to target Rebecca? And Jennifer 0:18:18.085 --> 0:18:21.245 got into an argument with some people and she pulled 0:18:21.285 --> 0:18:24.405 out a pistol and waved it around and made some 0:18:24.525 --> 0:18:27.285 threatening statements for the crowd. If like one day she 0:18:27.285 --> 0:18:31.565 would be somebody else, and then maybe an hour later 0:18:31.645 --> 0:18:38.525 she talking to somebody totally different and different person, and 0:18:38.525 --> 0:18:41.485 and if she gets mad at you, she just hers 0:18:41.605 --> 0:18:46.645 is kind of blackout, h that she just wants to fight. 0:18:46.885 --> 0:18:52.245 I don't know. It's hard to explain. People just say 0:18:52.285 --> 0:18:59.445 to die around her, you know. I don't know. If 0:18:59.805 --> 0:19:01.765 you come up with any names that you know her 0:19:01.805 --> 0:19:03.805 around her coming this play, let me know one. I'll 0:19:03.805 --> 0:19:07.565 try to speak with them, all right, Hi, Brian, believe you? 0:19:08.285 --> 0:19:15.565 Bye bye bye. Brian makes some pretty incredible claims, and 0:19:15.645 --> 0:19:18.685 after talking with him, I don't feel comfortable accepting them 0:19:18.725 --> 0:19:21.765 as fact. But his offer to be our man on 0:19:21.805 --> 0:19:24.205 the inside if we need information from anyone else in 0:19:24.285 --> 0:19:27.205 jail is one I'll keep in my back pocket like 0:19:27.285 --> 0:19:30.445 everyone else. In this case, Rebecca had several different sides 0:19:30.485 --> 0:19:34.205 to her personality. According to Danielle, she was a person 0:19:34.205 --> 0:19:36.285 who would take the shirt off her back to help 0:19:36.285 --> 0:19:39.485 a friend in trouble, but she also did not shy 0:19:39.485 --> 0:19:44.165 away from conflict. Multiple witnesses, friends, and family all say 0:19:44.325 --> 0:19:46.845 that Rebecca got into arguments with a few different women 0:19:46.885 --> 0:19:51.085 before she died. In addition to Jennifer, we've also heard 0:19:51.125 --> 0:19:55.485 that Rebecca had argued with Teresa. She's Jennifer's cousin and 0:19:55.565 --> 0:19:59.725 also worked at Sonic with Casey Forgets six degrees of separation. 0:20:00.285 --> 0:20:02.845 In this case, there seemed to be at most too 0:20:03.925 --> 0:20:06.365 we talked to Teresa and she She says that Rebecca 0:20:06.445 --> 0:20:08.405 had been living with her and they got into a 0:20:08.445 --> 0:20:11.405 fight of her unpaid bills. After Rebecca left the house 0:20:11.445 --> 0:20:14.685 without saying anything, Teresa told us they had another argument 0:20:14.725 --> 0:20:19.125 at Sonic. Teresa also said that Rebecca's dog was shot 0:20:19.725 --> 0:20:23.245 just a few weeks before her murder. Rebecca was crying 0:20:23.285 --> 0:20:26.685 at Sonic and Teresa hugged her. She told us that 0:20:26.765 --> 0:20:28.965 she was relieved that they had made up before she died. 0:20:29.885 --> 0:20:33.085 We need to understand more about Rebecca's history with Jennifer, 0:20:33.765 --> 0:20:35.685 and we have to be careful when we talk about 0:20:35.685 --> 0:20:38.925 Rebecca's case in public, because you never know who will 0:20:38.965 --> 0:20:42.525 be around. So we go back to Rebecca's sister, Danielle. 0:20:43.965 --> 0:20:47.845 Jennifer's ex has been calling the cops and telling them 0:20:47.885 --> 0:20:51.725 that she did it. Like also like he's been saying that, so, 0:20:51.805 --> 0:20:53.005 I mean, who knows, he says. I know he's a 0:20:53.005 --> 0:20:55.965 convicted criminal, but but she should have went down with 0:20:56.045 --> 0:20:59.725 him then, And you know, Jennifer's just not a good person. 0:21:02.125 --> 0:21:08.045 I think there's a lot of jealousy from Jennifer to Rebecca. 0:21:08.845 --> 0:21:11.365 I mean, I could see why, but I could Seecauseurecca 0:21:11.445 --> 0:21:17.045 was gorgeous and what was justin Rebecca's relationship, Like, they 0:21:17.085 --> 0:21:25.365 were together for over seven years, they lived together, they 0:21:25.405 --> 0:21:29.645 were they were normal. I mean, they may have fought 0:21:29.645 --> 0:21:33.605 a few times, but they were together and then they 0:21:33.645 --> 0:21:37.765 split up. And do you think he was still in 0:21:37.765 --> 0:21:45.325 love with her? Oh? Yeah, I do. Were they still 0:21:45.365 --> 0:21:48.165 involved in any way at the time that she died, 0:21:50.165 --> 0:21:54.765 Not that I know of, and he was involved with Jennifer. 0:21:54.805 --> 0:21:57.445 I mean, I'm just wondering if Jennifer would have gotten 0:21:57.485 --> 0:22:02.085 mad enough, if you know, like, if it's like, how 0:22:02.085 --> 0:22:03.725 well do you know Jennifer, you think she could get 0:22:03.725 --> 0:22:10.285 mad enough to do it? Yeah, I just don't know why. 0:22:10.325 --> 0:22:13.365 The costs are so like ruled Jennifer out so fast 0:22:13.405 --> 0:22:16.405 based on some shopping receipts, you know, like when I 0:22:16.405 --> 0:22:20.445 have heard more than one person that she it seems 0:22:20.525 --> 0:22:22.525 very honest. So we got it, We got life. Nick 0:22:22.605 --> 0:22:26.125 always said, because Nick was related to Jennifer, we always 0:22:26.165 --> 0:22:30.885 said it had something to do with the previous with 0:22:30.965 --> 0:22:33.725 her parents. That's how she got out of that, and 0:22:33.765 --> 0:22:38.805 something with her lawyer. Then there was something there and 0:22:38.845 --> 0:22:42.285 that's why she got out of the prior thing with 0:22:42.965 --> 0:22:49.845 Okay parents, So you know, maybe that's long or not 0:22:49.845 --> 0:22:51.925 going after her. I don't say to you understand, yes 0:22:51.925 --> 0:22:56.205 I do. After talking with Danielle, it seems clear that 0:22:56.245 --> 0:23:00.005 there are definitely some tangled relationships between Jennifer, Rebecca, and 0:23:00.165 --> 0:23:02.765 Justin that we need to sort out and just our luck. 0:23:03.045 --> 0:23:06.525 Jennifer skipped town and she's staying in Florida. Jennifer ended 0:23:06.605 --> 0:23:09.365 up marrying Justin and they had a daughter together, but 0:23:09.405 --> 0:23:13.405 they eventually divorced and Justin's remarried. Now, Justin was the 0:23:13.405 --> 0:23:16.925 love of Rebecca's life for years, but Jennifer was pregnant 0:23:16.965 --> 0:23:20.125 with his child at the time Rebecca was murdered. Could 0:23:20.125 --> 0:23:22.125 this have been a motive for him to cover for her? 0:23:24.725 --> 0:23:27.565 Like so many people in this case, people's opinion of 0:23:27.765 --> 0:23:31.165 Justin depends on who you're talking to. Some say he's 0:23:31.165 --> 0:23:35.445 a sweetheart, Others claim he's an abusive monster. Jennifer and 0:23:35.525 --> 0:23:38.965 Justin are finally a part. They were back and forth 0:23:38.965 --> 0:23:41.325 three years that the people who cared about Rebecca like 0:23:41.645 --> 0:23:43.965 they want to talk about this. You can almost like 0:23:44.005 --> 0:23:46.805 feel it in the air around here. People want to 0:23:46.805 --> 0:23:49.445 talk about this shit. You know something's going to happen. 0:23:50.045 --> 0:23:52.845 People have told me Justin's you know, really cares about 0:23:52.845 --> 0:23:56.125 this case. Jennifer didn't like Rebecca, so I find it vvery. 0:23:56.285 --> 0:23:58.045 She'll probably shut the door in our face no matter what, 0:23:58.445 --> 0:24:00.445 you know, and I mean even if she was here. 0:24:00.485 --> 0:24:01.965 So I don't think we're gonna get that much from her. 0:24:02.405 --> 0:24:05.725 Since we can't get to Jennifer, Justin is who need 0:24:05.765 --> 0:24:08.725 to find next. I write him a letter explaining who 0:24:08.765 --> 0:24:11.045 we are and what we're doing and put it into 0:24:11.085 --> 0:24:17.045 a sealed envelope. All right, so we're going to find Justin. 0:24:17.245 --> 0:24:20.885 He now works at a boat place. Yeah, we got 0:24:21.085 --> 0:24:24.245 he was working construction and I think that project finished, 0:24:24.285 --> 0:24:26.485 and we got a message, we got a tip. So 0:24:27.885 --> 0:24:31.285 we're gonna go to his work, and I think this 0:24:31.405 --> 0:24:34.565 is our best shot at getting him by himself, and 0:24:34.845 --> 0:24:37.405 worst case, he's not there, and we leave the letter 0:24:38.045 --> 0:24:41.325 and then he calls us back. One three miles, take 0:24:41.365 --> 0:24:46.325 a sea turn on to Mabel Drive either way either way, 0:24:46.365 --> 0:24:49.205 it's better to do it this way rather than walk 0:24:49.285 --> 0:24:51.005 up to his house. He and his wife could get 0:24:51.045 --> 0:24:54.325 in a confrontation, or she could just get involved. And 0:24:54.805 --> 0:24:57.645