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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltyest Charged Podcast, presented by the Chargers

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. As always, my name is Steven and I

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Speaker 2: am the host today and I am joined by Tyler,

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Speaker 2: my guy, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: What's up man doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well, Stephen?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Really excited about today's episode. We've been

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Speaker 2: teasing this on our own platforms obviously for the last

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Speaker 2: week or so. We got to interview Chargers general manager

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Speaker 2: Tom toe LESCo last week, so you know, lots of

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Speaker 2: great insight from Tom, very gracious with his time. Actually

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Speaker 2: got to keep him longer than we were expecting to,

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Speaker 2: so cannot thank him enough again.

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Speaker 1: For joining us today.

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Speaker 2: And you know, after we interviewed Tom, we're gonna kind

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Speaker 2: of revisit some of our expectations on the Chargers second

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Speaker 2: year players for this upcoming season. So we've obviously had

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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on the draft recently on our

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Speaker 2: show and on this channel as well, so we figured

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Speaker 2: it would be a little wise to take some time

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Speaker 2: and maybe talk about some of the second year players

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Speaker 2: who are expected.

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Speaker 1: To take on some bigger roles.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we spend a lot of time throughout last season

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Speaker 2: talking about Zion Johnson and Jamari Sallier. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of other guys in that class that

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Speaker 2: the Charger as gonna be counting on this year. So

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Speaker 2: we'll have some revisiting of those kind of conversations on

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Speaker 2: today's show as well.

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Speaker 3: Yep, sounds really good. I think it's definitely a mixed bag.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's something to be said about Tom

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Speaker 3: Telesco and Brand and Steely coming out and saying we

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Speaker 3: didn't take projections this year, and I think that has

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Speaker 3: a lot to do with last year's class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And there's that's all of the group, And

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of feelings on social media

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Speaker 2: you know, JT's not the only guy that the Chargers

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Speaker 2: kind of took a chance on, it took a swing on,

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Speaker 2: to play a more pivotal role in year two. So

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Speaker 2: we'll cover all of those, all of that group today quickly, obviously,

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Speaker 2: because we have the interview with Tom Telesco, which is

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Speaker 2: going to be about twenty twenty five minutes for you guys,

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Speaker 2: And before we get to that, of course, have to,

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Speaker 2: as always clarify that we are fans, we are independent contractors.

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Speaker 2: The opinions that we share on this podcast are not

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Speaker 2: reflective one hundred percent of the time of the Chargers organization.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we are fans just

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Speaker 2: like you guys who are listening. We just happen to

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Speaker 2: get to talk about the Chargers full time on the

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Speaker 2: Chargers channel. So with that being said, let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and transition to our interview with Tom Telesco.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, we are so happy to be joined today

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Speaker 2: by mister Tom Telesco, the Chargers General Manager.

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Speaker 1: Tom.

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Speaker 2: We can't thank you enough for taking the time out

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Speaker 2: to join us today.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Yeah, I'm doing great. And uh, let's

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Speaker 4: be fun. You want to talk about but you got me,

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Speaker 4: so I'll answer whatever you guys want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: There we go, There we go.

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Speaker 2: We we can't wait to dive into this draft class. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's been a few days. We're recording this on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: May second, So how you know now that you've had

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Speaker 4: Good? I mean, you know, I said this the other day,

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Speaker 4: like I've never been part of a draft where we

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Speaker 4: came out of it disappointed. Just never happens. You know,

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Speaker 4: you put so much work in and there's so many

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Speaker 4: people are involved in the draft. It's by far more

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Speaker 4: college regents on Thursday next week, and uh, you know

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, you kind of do this to

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Speaker 4: make sure everybody looks like you know sometimes with some

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Speaker 4: because we don't we don't want guys just here just

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Speaker 4: these players transition in with the veterans. The veterans are

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Speaker 4: the goal with these rookies is try and get them

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Speaker 4: or win a role. The offeasing program for our rookies

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Speaker 4: is really trying to get them ready for them. There's

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Speaker 4: another competition period for them this time of year. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that phrasing.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to get your thoughts here because I mean,

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Speaker 2: you've talked a lot about what you liked about Quentin

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Speaker 2: Kellen being hired to maybe change that or help that

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Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't change the process, but what's going with

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Speaker 4: far as who really fits the scheme, and those were

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Speaker 4: So you know, with the receivers, you know Callen, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're not just drafting him for this season. We're drafting

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Speaker 4: him for now till you know, twenty twenty seven essentially,

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Speaker 3: So with Quinton Johnson, I think his testing reminds me

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Speaker 4: And now now the players are not they don't actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, we as casual fans, right like there's

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Speaker 4: And then what allows us to do is really cross

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Speaker 3: it's the hard hitting question. You've taken three straight projected

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Speaker 4: has been doing a really good job with with Meggie

434
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Speaker 4: as far as you know, inviting a lot of these

435
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Speaker 4: smaller school prospects that are legit guys and we can

436
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Speaker 4: actually see them against other Division one players. It's been great.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely last one here for me, Tom. You guys

438
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Speaker 2: have really prioritized linebackers, whether it's inadvertently or not, linebackers

439
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: or used to be safeties. Obviously, Dayon Henley is the

440
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 2: latest here. Does how does that experience for these guys

441
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Speaker 2: help them transition to the NFL And maybe what's kind

442
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Speaker 2: of your vision for day On as a rookie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a passing league. The game is

444
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Speaker 4: much more spread out than it was when I first

445
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Speaker 4: came in into the league. It's certainly much more spread

446
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 4: out at the college level. So you know, these safeties

447
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 4: that are that transition to linebacker, you know, they have range,

448
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 4: they have speed, they have the instincts and feel of

449
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Speaker 4: playing in the passing game. A lot what has to

450
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Speaker 4: come along for them is going to use to playing

451
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Speaker 4: inside the box at this level. But with with Dyon Henley,

452
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's super athletic, really a quick twitch player,

453
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Speaker 4: and for a player that hasn't played linebacker that much,

454
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Speaker 4: he's really instinctive, which is just rare to see usually

455
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Speaker 4: it plays these guys some time. But he's really good

456
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Speaker 4: in the passing game, has a fewl forward and he's

457
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Speaker 4: a hitter, like he really hits. And the one thing

458
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Speaker 4: that stood out to us with him too is a

459
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Speaker 4: lot of college starters, especially you know NFL prospects, they

460
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Speaker 4: don't typically like to play on a lot of special

461
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Speaker 4: teams in college, and he was begging to play on

462
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Speaker 4: specialties and played a lot of snaps on special teams

463
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Speaker 4: and was highly productive doing it. Because you know, initially

464
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Speaker 4: that's what that's his role here is going to have

465
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Speaker 4: to be special teams first and then trying to earn

466
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Speaker 4: a role on defense after that. But that really drew

467
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Speaker 4: us to him. His athletic ability's quick twitch, his ability

468
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Speaker 4: to hit, he's a violent hitter, and his special team's ability.

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Speaker 3: All right, last them for me. I'll make it easy.

470
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Speaker 3: What is the go to mock draft simulator?

471
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I like the PFF a lot. I

472
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Speaker 4: just like that you can make so many changes to

473
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Speaker 4: how you want it to spit out, and and I

474
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Speaker 4: also like that it's really fast. I can do a

475
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Speaker 4: lot at one time. You know, we'll do some different

476
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 4: mock drafts in house, and we'll give either a coach

477
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Speaker 4: or a scout a specific team and you're drafting for

478
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Speaker 4: that team. And I like that too because you got

479
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Speaker 4: one person acting as GM for that team. But that

480
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Speaker 4: process takes forever. It takes a long time. I can

481
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Speaker 4: come in on a Sunday morning and start running these

482
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Speaker 4: mock draft simulators and just run them over and over

483
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Speaker 4: and over again and try and get a feel for

484
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Speaker 4: what could happen. And then the big thing is if

485
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Speaker 4: this happens, what are we going to do? Because we

486
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Speaker 4: have all these discussions way before the hand. We don't

487
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Speaker 4: you know, we're not discussing when we're on the clock. Hey,

488
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Speaker 4: do we want to go receiver at tight end here?

489
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Speaker 4: That those have been had already. So I tried the

490
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Speaker 4: ESPN one and that that broke a couple of times

491
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Speaker 4: on me. It didn't work as well as I would

492
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Speaker 4: have liked. I kind of got off that the PFF

493
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Speaker 4: when I thought was pretty slick. I thought it ran

494
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Speaker 4: pretty well and I liked it. It came out with different

495
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Speaker 4: different outcomes each time, and you could do some slide

496
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Speaker 4: bars moving around, and you know, I used to This

497
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Speaker 4: is way before your guys's time. Unfortunate. Don't even know

498
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Speaker 4: how you guys are, but I know you're younger than me.

499
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Speaker 4: But you guys ever heard a pair of Joel bushbomb

500
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Speaker 4: no no. Bill worked for Pro Football Weekly. This is

501
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Speaker 4: this is probably before we were on the internet that much.

502
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Speaker 4: And he had a book every year. But he had

503
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 4: so many contacts in the NFL, all across the league,

504
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 4: and he would do a mock draft the night before

505
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Speaker 4: the draft. But he had to call into a phone

506
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Speaker 4: line and you had to listen to a recording of

507
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Speaker 4: his mock draft. Oh my god, he was so good.

508
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: He was so tied in. He was also a really

509
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: good scout, and we used to use that mock draft

510
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: to try and get a feel for where guys were

511
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Speaker 4: going to go draft day. And this was the night

512
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Speaker 4: before the draft. So we've come a long way that

513
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 4: I can do god knows how many mock draft simulations

514
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Speaker 4: to try and get a feel for what could happen.

515
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Speaker 4: And then you know, hate, trade up, trade down is

516
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: what we're going to do. And and uh, it's been

517
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Speaker 4: really cool. Yeah, I like it a lot.

518
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love draft season. I don't know if I

519
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Speaker 2: would go to a phone line and listen to a

520
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Speaker 2: recording of a mock draft.

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Speaker 4: Hey that's all we had then we didn't I mean

522
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Speaker 4: I don't even think true. We didn't have, you know,

523
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: a website to go to. I mean, Mel Kuiper did

524
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: his mock draft, but that was in his book. He

525
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 4: had to buy the book and he had to mail

526
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: it to you and even though he was on ESPN,

527
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: but we didn't get as many mock drafts from him

528
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Speaker 4: as we had to wait for the book to come out.

529
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Speaker 4: But yeah, things have come a long way for the better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, shout out to Mail the Godfather obviously he's really.

532
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Speaker 4: He's really good. I know, he just he is and

533
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Speaker 4: he's not only is he tied into the league, but

534
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Speaker 4: I think he's a really good evaluator. You know. The

535
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: difference is is you know, when he's you know, mocking

536
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 4: the draft players each team, like he doesn't have to

537
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: worry about, you know, the fit and the scheme and

538
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: right the medical and the character and all that stuff.

539
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: But that's normal. But he's you know, he's really good

540
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: at what he does. Like you guys know, like like

541
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah, he's really good. He's sharp, he knows football,

542
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: he's got contacts in the league. Todd mcshay's still pretty

543
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: good too. I mean, he does a really good job.

544
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Speaker 4: There's just a lot of people that put a lot

545
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Speaker 4: of work into it. I mean we have all that,

546
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: we have more information than anybody, and we're wrong half

547
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Speaker 4: the time. So I mean it is what it is.

548
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: I mean there's Hall of Fame gms that are wrong

549
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Speaker 4: half the time. So that's uh, that's just kind of

550
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Speaker 4: the business that we're in.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you said glass half full though, so you're right

552
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Speaker 3: half the time as well.

553
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 4: Hey, if I'm right half the time with making his

554
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Speaker 4: picks that I'll take that. It sounds terrible, he's wrong

555
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 4: half the time. But look, if you can hit like

556
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Speaker 4: first round hit right, it's like fifty to fifty five percent,

557
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Speaker 4: and that's pretty been consistent since I came in the league.

558
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Speaker 4: And then it goes down from there as you go

559
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Speaker 4: to each round from there. So it's always funny like

560
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 4: when we everybody looks at everyone's drafts right now and think,

561
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, people are filling needs with third, fourth, fifth,

562
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: and sixth round draft picks. But in reality, as we

563
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: all know, all these guys aren't going to make it,

564
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately. So the hope is that these guys

565
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 4: make it as a role to earn a role first

566
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Speaker 4: and if you get lucky, you hit on a starter.

567
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Speaker 4: But you know, the odds aren't always with you.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nature of the beast. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom, we will not keep you for much longer

570
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Speaker 2: than that. We cannot thank you enough for your time today.

571
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Speaker 2: This is being incredibly insightful and can't wait to see

572
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Speaker 2: what's coming down the pipeline in terms of Chargers football.

573
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Speaker 2: So thanks again and charge fans. Hopefully you enjoyed that

574
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Speaker 2: insight from the general manager of the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: All right, thanks for everying me on guys, take care.

576
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Speaker 2: All right, that was our chat with Tom Tellasco. Again,

577
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Speaker 2: thank you to him for joining us. Tyler, what was

578
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: your biggest takeaway from our interview with mister Tom Telasco.

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Speaker 3: He's a very nice guy, and he's a very smart guy,

580
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Speaker 3: and I really enjoyed talking to him. It was really

581
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: really cool to be able to do that, and it

582
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: was really cool to see or at least hear some

583
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: of how they look at different players. I mean, you, guys,

584
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: just listen to the interview. How do you evaluate tackle.

585
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: To guard converts?

586
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: Do you use GPS tracking, how do you look at

587
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: positionless players?

588
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: That sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun hearing how they do that,

590
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: and it was really truly an honor to be able

591
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Speaker 3: to get to do this.

592
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

593
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think my favorite part was just him talking

594
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Speaker 2: about the like positionless trends, because I think there are

595
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: a lot of gms, a lot of coaches who still

596
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: feel like you have to fill a very specific role

597
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: on this team, in this position room, or we're just

598
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: not going to be able to like make you fit

599
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Speaker 2: on our team. And so to hear that the Chargers

600
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Speaker 2: are you know, really practicing what they preach when it

601
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Speaker 2: comes to versatility and flexibility within a position. I think

602
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: is great news. I think fans should be excited about

603
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: that trend. You know, they're not going to pigeonhole a

604
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: guy like two week below two It was kind of

605
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Speaker 2: the inspiration of that question. They're not going to pigeonhole

606
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: him into hey you're only an edge rusher or hey

607
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: you're only an INTI your defensive lineman. Like, they're going

608
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: to use him in a variety of roles. And we've

609
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: seen that, you know, with guys who we're going to

610
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: talk about today, like just her Taylor, you know, playing

611
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: outside last year inside. You know, they've had some flexibility

612
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: with with other players. Of course, you know, Kenneth Murray

613
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: has played linebacker and some edge rusher. So they really

614
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: like mean what they say when it comes to like

615
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: valuing versatility within a position group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even though I don't know what designs they

617
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: initially had for someone like Jamari Sallier playing tackle, but

618
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: he was a sixth round pick. And if you're a

619
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Speaker 3: sixth round pick, especially if you're a lineman, I mean,

620
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Speaker 3: of course it'd be great if you were just really

621
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Speaker 3: really good at one position and you could immediately start there,

622
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Speaker 3: but that's not the case for a late day three picks.

623
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Speaker 3: You have to be able to play a couple of

624
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Speaker 3: spots on the line. And Jamari Sawyer even though they

625
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: had him as a guard the entire way, and you know,

626
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: we talked to him in the off season last year,

627
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Speaker 3: you know, about him being guard and why guard is better,

628
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: and then he played tackle the entire year basically, and

629
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Speaker 3: that was really necessary for the Chargers too. So yeah,

630
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: really cool conversation about positionless players, players who can do

631
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: a lot of different things.

632
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Yep.

633
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: And speaking of Jamori, he's gonna be asked to play

634
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: another different position this season, So great segue there. Obviously,

635
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: jamais starting games for the Chargers, many many games, many

636
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: more games than anyone expected at left tackle. You know,

637
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: now he's gonna be playing right guard after really practicing at

638
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: left guard and training camp last year. So again, then

639
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: versatility here. So we'll transition now to this conversation about

640
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: second year players, and again we'll kind of you know,

641
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 2: jump around here, you know, kind of taking stock, if

642
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: you will, of a bunch of these players who are

643
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: gonna be counted on for key roles. I kind of

644
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: wanted to start with Isaiah Spiller, if that's cool with you, Tyler,

645
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: because I think this is there's been a lot of

646
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: talk obviously around the Austin Eckler contract situation, you know,

647
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Speaker 2: and we talked on our last episode on our channel,

648
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Speaker 2: which go subscribe by the way, if you aren't already,

649
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Speaker 2: you know, just kind of the expectation around Austin Eckler

650
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: still being on this team. You know, if they were

651
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Speaker 2: gonna move him, that would have probably happened already at

652
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Speaker 2: this point. So Austin Eckler is going to be on

653
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Speaker 2: this team. We know that Kellen Moore's is very excited

654
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: to work with him. But there's there's snaps available for

655
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Speaker 2: either of these running backs, whether that's Josh Kelly or

656
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller, to play in this offense. And so I

657
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: just went back and looked at just snap counts for

658
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: the running backs under Kellen Moore. And obviously some of

659
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Speaker 2: this is you know, Tony Pollard ascending, some of its

660
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Alla kind of descending. But for the most part,

661
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of snaps we had for a running

662
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Speaker 2: back behind a starter in Kellen Moore's offense in twenty

663
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Speaker 2: twenty two is it was basically a.

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Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty split.

665
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: Ezekiel had six hundred and thirty four snaps and Tony

666
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Pollard had six hundred and twenty seven. The RB three,

667
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: though only logged eighty four snaps last season for the Cowboys.

668
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, Ezekiel Elliott had eight hundred and

669
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: fifty three snaps, Tony Pollard had three hundred and ninety eight,

670
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: so pretty close to four hundred. Corey Clement the RB

671
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: three again not many snaps to be had there seventy

672
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: nine for him. In twenty twenty, Ezekiel Elliott had seven

673
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine snaps and Tony Pollard had three

674
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven and Rico Dawdle again thirteen for him.

675
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: So that's just the last three seasons with the Cowboys

676
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: for comparison's sake. Last season, Austin Eckler had seven hundred

677
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: and eighty snaps.

678
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly, who was.

679
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: Injured a little bit, had a two hundred and ninety six,

680
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: which if he had not gotten injured, would have been

681
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: right around a three hundred and fifty pace, but The

682
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: bottom line here is Kellen Moore is going to use

683
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: multiple running backs. It's likely going to be two. I

684
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: think he ideally would like to have just two. So

685
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: how does Isaiah Spiller fit into that conversation for you

686
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: with Joshua Kelly? Maybe kind of as an extension from Spiller.

687
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: Joshua Kelly to start camp last year was their RB

688
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: two right away and there was no competition.

689
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: There was.

690
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: Eckler was one, Kelly was two, and then round Tree

691
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: and Spiller kind of battled for four and even Roundtree

692
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: got ahead of Spiller in some regards for RB two,

693
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: and of course it ended up being a whole different

694
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: thing with Sony Michelle. I think this is the year

695
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: that we I mean, I guess it's the only other

696
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: next year that we see Isaiah Spiller, and I think

697
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: he's going to take that RB two job. I don't

698
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: know what it is that I have to go off

699
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: of for that, but to me, and I don't feel

700
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: this way for all the players on offense or some

701
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: of the guys that are on defense, but I feel

702
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: like with Isaiah Spiller, it just felt like, and I

703
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: hate to do the blame game here, but this felt

704
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: very Joe Lombarding not playing the guy and for some

705
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: reason not being able to find ways to get him involved.

706
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: Because with someone like j T. Woods we'll talk about

707
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: in a bit. I feel like I understood pretty early

708
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: on and immediately why he wasn't on the field, And

709
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: then when he was on the field, you could tell

710
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: why he wasn't on the field, and you know why

711
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: he didn't get so many snaps.

712
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about him in a bit.

713
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Speaker 3: With Spiller, if you look at training camp, you look

714
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: at the preseason, you look at the snaps that he had.

715
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: Granted I understand, I understand some of the averages and

716
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: his rushes aren't super high, but I feel like that's

717
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: more scenario than anything else. Watching him play, I didn't

718
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: see anything that suggested that he should not be active

719
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: on offense. Now, if you want to talk about special

720
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: teams role, I guess I could understand that because they

721
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: wanted Larry Roundtree to be the special teams guy and

722
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: Spiller was not that guy. But I just feel like

723
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: with Isiah Spiller and the talent that he has and

724
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Speaker 3: what he can do as a pass catcher, I think

725
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: he's going to take RB two from Josh by Kelly.

726
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: Maybe that's kind of a hot take, but I really

727
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: just do believe in him and I think Kelly. I

728
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: think Kelly will start out.

729
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: As the RB two.

730
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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but I think that throughout the

731
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: course of the offseason and the preseason, you know, the

732
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: Chargers are moving towards moving and on from most of

733
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: their running back room and changing things. And I think

734
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: you have to see what you have on Isaiah Spiller.

735
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: You drafted him high. He was their third pick in

736
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Speaker 3: that draft, after taking J. T. Woods in the third,

737
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: Robin Spiller in the fourth. I think there's enough invested

738
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: in him, and I think he's talented enough, and now

739
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: he's actually, like, you know, twenty one, and he is

740
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: able to drink now after being twenty four a lot

741
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: of his rookie season, you know. So I think that

742
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: he's hopefully and I haven't seen anything, I haven't heard anything,

743
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: but I feel like he's matured into this now he's

744
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: in his second year in the league. I think by

745
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: the end of the training camp and the end of

746
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: the preseason, I think he's RB two over Joshua Kelly.

747
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: All Right, there we go.

748
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: You know, I think that's a great conversation starter because

749
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, some people, some fans are really really excited

750
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: about Isaiah Spiller. Others are not so excited about Isaiah Spiller.

751
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: You know, I thought that Joshua Kelly was was solid

752
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: for the Chargers last year, and when he went down

753
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: and they didn't play Isaiah Spiller, that was kind of

754
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: it was really frustrating to watch because it's like, we

755
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: know who Sony Michelle is, Like, no, I don't want

756
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: to like throw shade at him. You know, he's a

757
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: two time Super Bowl champ and a very key player

758
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: on those two super Bowls, but like we knew who

759
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: he was at that point, Like it didn't take you know,

760
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: a ton of touches early on in the season for

761
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: us to see.

762
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: That he just didn't have it anymore.

763
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: And so once you get late into the season, Joshua

764
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: Kelly gets injured, like those were very valuable snaps for

765
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller, and for whatever reason, you know, Joe Lombardy

766
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: and his staff just did not believe in giving him

767
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: that opportunity. And then same kind of thing in the

768
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: Week eighteen game, like that should have been a game

769
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: where Isaiah Spiller is getting you know, ten twelve touches

770
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: and he just didn't. So I I was not super

771
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: thrilled with the idea of adding somebody like Isaiah Spiller

772
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: in the draft because I feel like him and Joshua

773
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: Kelly were very similar. But then you get into training

774
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: camp and like, the thing that I was most excited

775
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: about was his ability as a pass catcher, because that

776
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: was something that was very different than Joshua Kelly. Josh

777
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: tra Kelly has worked very hard in that and he's

778
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: become a much better pass protector. But Isaiah Spiller, like

779
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: was running isolation routes like with relatively relative ease in

780
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: training camp and had some one handed catches and you know,

781
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: was was routing some linebackers up in training camp and

782
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: that was exciting. And I think that's a role that

783
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: hopefully the Chargers are leaning into. So I think this

784
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: is going to be a very curious thing for killing

785
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: more because like I just kind of laid out right,

786
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: like he's very traditionally like RB one, RB two and

787
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: that's it. But this year with the Chargers case, like,

788
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: I think you have three guys who are are capable players.

789
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: And obviously we know it.

790
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Joshua Kelly is a really good special teams player and

791
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: has has developed into a good special teams role. So

792
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if I necessarily agree with Spiller as

793
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: finishing the season as RB two, but I think we

794
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: will see him be more involved this season. And you know,

795
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: he has to put in the work. Obviously, he has

796
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: to earn that right. But you know, they, like you said,

797
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: they kind of don't have a choice, like you need

798
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: to see what you.

799
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: Have in him.

800
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: And then you have Austin Eichler and Josh Kelly who

801
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: are free agents at the end of at the end

802
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: of the season.

803
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm I think more optimistic than most about

804
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: Spiller as someone who didn't like him during the draft

805
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: process as is, but then everyone goes, hey, go back

806
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 3: and watch the previous season in college where he played

807
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: at a different way. Things were just a bit different

808
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: that year. He looked like a different back. So if

809
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: he's working back towards what that looked like, I think

810
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: we're in for something. And I know you said, you

811
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: know Spiller RB two by the end of the season.

812
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: I think it's to start the season.

813
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, all right, some clarity from Tayler. I

814
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: will say that Kelly has a special team's RB three role.

815
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: I think that's good. That's a good spot for him.

816
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: I think he could be an RB two in a pinch.

817
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: But I think there is some inconsistencies with Joshua Kelly

818
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: and his decision making, in particular on the field. I

819
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: think there's his vision does leave kind of a little

820
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: left to be desired. But you know, as somebody who

821
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: can be that RB three pass protector, special team guy,

822
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: I think that's a great fit for him. So I

823
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: would love to see Isaiah Spiller become that dude, to

824
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: become that RB two. I think that would be a

825
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: great outcome this year. So I'm kind of in between

826
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: you and what the consensus is on Isaiah Spiller. I

827
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: guess you know, I do expect him to get more

828
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: touches and play well.

829
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: But we'll see there.

830
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's shift gears here a little bit and

831
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: talk about mister J. T.

832
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: Woods, who you mentioned earlier.

833
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Again, a role that is going to be very valuable

834
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: for the Chargers is that third safety. You know, obviously

835
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: there was a little bit where Alohiguman was kind of

836
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: starting at the end of last season, but he played

837
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: five hundred and forty eight snaps on the season last year,

838
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: which was like fourteenth most on the defense. In twenty

839
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: twenty one, Alohi Gullman was was hurt a little bit,

840
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: but he played three hundred and fifty five snaps and

841
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: Trey Marshall played one hundred and ninety seven. Again, there

842
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: were some games where Trey Marshall was was starting there.

843
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: But the safety three for the Chargers is gonna play

844
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: and right now that's slated to be JT.

845
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: Woods.

846
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: And again there was a lot to be made about

847
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: his fit with Derwin James and a Sierra Atalie maybe

848
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: potentially being a pretty natural replacement for Nacierratalie because he

849
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: has that range, she has that deep safety ability, obviously

850
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: leading the country and interceptions in twenty twenty one as

851
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: a college prospect at the University of Baylor.

852
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: So where are you at with j T. Woods?

853
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: We've kind of talked about maybe adding a safety veteran

854
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: guy like John Johnson. But if JT is given that

855
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: opportunity to start, how comfortable art or not start? I

856
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: should say, start the season as a safety three? How

857
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: comfortable are you with that?

858
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: Okay that I don't mind as much. I would have

859
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: said more pessimistic projections. But if you're talking to me

860
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: about starting the season as a safety three, then I

861
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: do feel a bit better at that. And I'm assuming

862
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: here safety three is sort of as a low Hi

863
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: Gilman's backup, because I think right now Rahem Lena is

864
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: sort of drown James backup.

865
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: We talked about this.

866
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't feel great about that, but.

867
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about j T.

868
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Woods's safety three. I'm okay with that. I'm cautiously optimistic

869
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: about the safety three role in terms of his chances

870
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: ever starting over a Lohi Gillman, I feel awful about

871
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: those chances, But in terms of a safety three role,

872
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: I can get that. And I think you look at

873
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: the game against the Chiefs last year, like the only

874
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: game where he really played any meaningful snaps, and I thought,

875
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: in terms of being a deep safety and defending the

876
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: post against the past, I think he was very strong

877
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 3: in that role. Granted, I think it was fourteen coverage snaps,

878
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: so I'm hinging all of this off of barely any

879
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: snaps last year. So in terms of that role, as

880
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: a safety three, you're bringing someone down or whatever you're

881
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: doing with a LOOHI Gillman or Derwin James, whatever you're

882
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: doing with that group, I feel okay with him in

883
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: that particular role, But that I think is as far

884
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: as I'm willing to say that he's going to play

885
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: barring injury this year for the Chargers. I feel much

886
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: more optimistic about Spiller, where some of the J. T.

887
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: Woods I'm very concerned about his future. And that doesn't

888
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: mean that he's not talented, but I almost think you're

889
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: you're hoping at this point for like a Trey Pipkins

890
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: sort of projection, and will a safety like J. T.

891
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Woods get that long? I don't know, but you know,

892
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be something we look at

893
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty.

894
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: Five for J. T.

895
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: Woods rather than this season. I mean they like J T.

896
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: Woods played the fewest number of snaps of any Telesco

897
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: third rounder ever, except for Max Turk who had a

898
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: torn acl so zero. Otherwise, the next lowest was Trey

899
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: McKitty with two thirty seven Craig Mager with two hundred

900
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: and thirty one snaps. J T Woods played thirty Like

901
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: that's really bad for a player in the third round

902
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: who was their second pick.

903
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: In the draft.

904
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: You compare that to the other Telesco third rounders. I mean,

905
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: not everyone's Keenan Allen played nine hundred and fifty snaps

906
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: in their rookie year, but JT. Woods with thirty, and

907
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: like you know, Craig played one hundred or so special

908
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: team snaps.

909
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: J T.

910
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: Woods played seventy three, which was behind Raheem Lane. Like,

911
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: it's not even just the trust in the defensive coaching staff,

912
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: it's the trust in the special teams group too. And

913
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 3: I guess you could say that's sort of the same

914
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: thing with Isaiah Spiller, but I just feel slightly better

915
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: about Spiller with this offense, and I almost feel like

916
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: that was more coordinator and coaching related this one. I

917
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: really just feel like J. T. Woods is to them

918
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: the projection that they wanted to avoid this year with

919
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: their draft. Like a lot of you know, singles, a

920
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: lot of doubles with the Chargers draft this year with

921
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: J T. Woods, they swung and listen, this could pay off.

922
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: They could connect at some point, absolutely, but I think

923
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: they're looking at where they are as a team and

924
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: knowing this is kind of this is kind of the

925
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: year you got to get things done. But we're all gone,

926
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: and so I don't think they're going to look at

927
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: j T. Woods and give him safety two at all

928
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: this season barring an injury. And to be honest, I

929
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: think he's probably safety four. And if I'm really honest,

930
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: I'm even worried about him being active this season if

931
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: they bring on John Johnson. I think Raheem Lane is

932
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: active because Ryan Ficken loves him and Ryan and Raheem

933
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: Lane rewarded Ryan Ficken with that trust.

934
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: I think JT.

935
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: Woods there's a lot of different things that can happen.

936
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: I think the max is safety three, and I think

937
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: we could also look at him being inactive. And I'm

938
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: not gonna say cut yet, but let's go to the

939
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: third rounders have been cut for less.

940
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. You know, the range of outcomes

941
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: for JT is is pretty drastic. You know this upcoming season,

942
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: and you know this is a big off season for him.

943
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 2: This is his first true off season like being able

944
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: to like really focus in on football and like only

945
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: football and and not like draft training, not track stuff

946
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: because he was a track athlete at Baylor, same thing

947
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: in high school.

948
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: So this is a big time offseason for him. And

949
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: he's got to be.

950
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Able to show the coaching staff that he's taken some strides.

951
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: And I think that it's possible that we see some

952
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 2: flashes for sure. But I think part of the reason

953
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: why the coaching staff has really preferred Alohi Gillman in

954
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: that spot and preferred Lowhi Gillman over no Seri Atli

955
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the season is because Aloi just

956
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: doesn't make mistakes, Like like that's that's really what you

957
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: need as a free safety in this kind of defense

958
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: is you need to be a reliable tackler, you need

959
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: to be a reliable, you know, match coverage player. You

960
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: need to just like be play really sound, you know,

961
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: smart football. And Aloi also made a lot of plays

962
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: like he was always around the football. It seemed like

963
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: last year winning given the opportunity, whether it was interceptions

964
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: or fumbles or force fumbles, fumbles.

965
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Recoveries, like he was around the football.

966
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: But also he was just not making a lot of mistakes.

967
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: And I think you feel good about him as a

968
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: safety three. I think he can be a starter in

969
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: a pinch. So I would like to see them kind

970
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: of upgrade that room because I just think there's a

971
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: lot of uncertainty with JT.

972
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Woods.

973
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: We have barely seen Raheem Lane play like meaningful football Eitherbviously,

974
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: we know he can play special teams. You know, there

975
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: was that great moment I want to say against the

976
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins where he like lit up somebody and yeah, when

977
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: he was on the punt return team at the end

978
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: of the season. So I think they feel comfortable with

979
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: him on special teams. So this this is a very

980
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: important offseason for J. T. Woods, and I have a

981
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: hard time thinking that they're just gonna hand him snaps,

982
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: like he's going to have to really earn this. Like

983
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: I think of any of the second year players, he's

984
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: the one who has the longest chance of like playing

985
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: key snaps because we just like we know how important

986
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: it is to play mistake free football as of free safety,

987
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: and if he can't do that, that's gonna be a tough.

988
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: Ask for him in this defense.

989
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what they tried to get away

990
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: from with this year out of the last year.

991
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

992
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: I think Alohi Gilman at this point has deserved the

993
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: right to be out there as safety two, whether that's

994
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, a high end safety two play I don't know, like,

995
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what his feeling is, but he's progressed

996
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: every year. So I think Alohi Gilman, I know this

997
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: is not the Alohi Gilman portion of the show, but

998
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: I think he's earned the right to be out there.

999
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1000
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe that maybe their faith in him kind

1001
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: of lends themselves maybe towards like a Ronnie Hamerson safety

1002
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: an as opposed to John Johnson or somebody else that

1003
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: they're connected to that's maybe more of a lower tier,

1004
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, backup starter kind of player.

1005
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: But we'll see there.

1006
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll touch on one more here, and

1007
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: that's gonna be John Taylor because we're running out of

1008
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: time a little bit already. But John Taylor also another

1009
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: kind of winner of the draft, if you will, because

1010
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: the Chargers did not add a potential starting slot corner.

1011
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: You know, there was some buzz that the Chargers were

1012
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: interested in the cornerback market in the draft leading up

1013
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: to it.

1014
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: Ultimately did not come to fruition.

1015
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: They have not resigned Bryce Callahan as of today on

1016
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: May eighth, so we'll see what happens there. But as

1017
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: of now, like Jossier, Taytor is expected to start in

1018
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: the slot. I'll start with this one. I'm excited about

1019
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: Joss Taylor in year two, man. I think that he

1020
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: showed a lot of promise, particularly as a run defender,

1021
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: and also like that Miami game where he was working

1022
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: against jaln Waldall, I think really showed what kind of

1023
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: coverage player he can be in the slot. I think

1024
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: on the outside, I'm a little bit more dicey about

1025
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 2: just like his ability in space against players like Jerry

1026
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: Judy kind of gave him a tough, tough go but

1027
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: in a scheme that's really going to value his physicality,

1028
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a good thing for him because

1029
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: he can, you know, get up in guys faces, he

1030
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: can match up with tight ends, he can blitz, he

1031
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: can tackle. So I know everybody wants Brice Callahan back,

1032
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm cool with Joshy Taylor as the starting

1033
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: slot corner man.

1034
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: I really am.

1035
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be able to come in

1036
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: in year two really show some great signs of growth.

1037
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he should be handed the starting spot obviously,

1038
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: but I'm as of today, I'm cool with Joss Taylor

1039
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: starting from day one in this defense.

1040
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: And he probably is.

1041
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: I don't know who else other than Keimon Hall is

1042
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 3: out there to challenge him for the slot, right, Yes,

1043
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: it could be a Santai Sanmuel junior, but jc's not

1044
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: back yet. So yeah, I think John Taylor is one

1045
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: of the biggest winners of the entire offseason because and

1046
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: really last year too, gone from a sixth round pick

1047
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: who was projected to play special teams, Like we knew

1048
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: he'd be good at special teams based on what he

1049
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: could do on film, like solid tackler, you know, athlete,

1050
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: not like a huge guy, but certainly a bigger body guy.

1051
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: So everything that he did at Wake four US, he

1052
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: felt okay, Like, okay, good special team, you're here, Fine,

1053
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: that's kind of the max here. Then you watch him

1054
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: in training camp and you're thinking, okay, like, you know,

1055
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: we don't get to see a whole lot of it

1056
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: during the season, but I was there for most of

1057
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: the training camp days and he was consistently and Bryce

1058
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: Callahan as well, one of the better players out there,

1059
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: just so smart, so fluid. I was honestly stunned like

1060
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: them finding Jaw Taylor in the sixth round, kind of

1061
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: like Jamari Solier too. Was a revelation, honestly with how

1062
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: I feel about what they can do in the sixth round.

1063
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: And part of that is probably Ryan Ficken right with

1064
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: the special team's work and to bring him up to

1065
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: speed and all that, but just being able to identify

1066
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: a defensive back like that and get him working in

1067
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: the slot. He looked so good, Like you said, the

1068
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: Miami game looked fantastic.

1069
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: There.

1070
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle because I would understand why they

1071
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: bring bring back Bryce Callahan because he's a good slot

1072
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: corner and you know about him. I'm not saying he's

1073
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: Eric Kendricks by any means, but like you know, they

1074
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: know about Eric Kendricks. They've seen the consistencies they brought

1075
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: an Eric Kendricks, so I could see why they do

1076
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: with Bryce Callahan too. But I mean John Taylor, man,

1077
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything from him in terms of working.

1078
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: The slot that I'm worried about.

1079
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: We haven't seen a lot of film, but I really

1080
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: do feel confident about him and being able to do that,

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Speaker 3: and if that's the jump he could make from a

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Speaker 3: six round pick to what he did last year, I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to see what he does. Knowing that he

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Speaker 3: has this role I think so far, and what he

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Speaker 3: can do in the slot moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know, getting back to training camp, it

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Speaker 2: felt like every other day he was like making you know,

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Speaker 2: a force tumble, an interception and tackle for loss. Like

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about where John Taylor can go and

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. You know, we're gonna get closer

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Speaker 2: here towards mandatory mini camp and OTAs and training camp

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Speaker 2: is right around the corner. So obviously we didn't get

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Speaker 2: to touch much on Zion Johnson, Jamari Solier, Dean Leonards

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Speaker 2: and or Horrath today. We'll spend some other time on

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Speaker 2: another episode, perhaps breaking down those guys. Obviously, Zion on Jamari,

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Speaker 2: we know what we know what we have there. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're they're starting caliber offensive lineman and that should be

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Speaker 2: exciting too. So Tyler, any final thoughts before we head

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Speaker 2: out this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Zion and Slater on the left side is going to

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Speaker 3: be awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of fun to watch man and Kellen Moore is

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Speaker 2: gonna have a ton of fun calling plays for those

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Speaker 2: two in the rushing attack. So all right, guys, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna do it for us. Today, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: tuning in again. Thanks to Tom Telesco for jumping on

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Speaker 2: with us and join us. Thanks to Brian and Greg

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Speaker 2: here for producing our show with the Charge, and as always,

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Speaker 2: make sure you go subscribe over the Guiltiest Charge podcast

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Speaker 2: as well, follow us on Twitter, all that good stuff. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna do it. We'll see you next week.

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