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Speaker 1: Cause Media.

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Speaker 2: It's me James, and before we listen to this episode today,

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Speaker 2: I just did want to make you aware that I

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Speaker 2: conducted these interviews in French and Spanish, mostly Spanish, and

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Speaker 2: then transcribed and translated, So what you're hearing is a

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Speaker 2: translated interview that's being edited for brevity and content. I

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoy the episode, just you.

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Speaker 3: Finding yourself there and seeing how the environment looks like

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Speaker 3: you feel like you should give up. I cried, it's

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Speaker 3: grace of work for you to actually stand by us

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Speaker 3: say no, I'll keep on struggling. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: who give up.

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Speaker 4: A lot of.

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Speaker 3: Someone died, people who were crying. Yeah, yes, we let

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Speaker 3: people swear crying. They didn't know how they could continue.

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Speaker 3: It's not an easy situation. It's not really an easy

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Speaker 3: situation at least, it's just the grace of God for

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Speaker 3: It's actually the grace of God because what we actually

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Speaker 3: went through, we met people live being collapsed. We had

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Speaker 3: to help them. You meet your body, you give a

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Speaker 3: something that if we are fine tomorrow can advise any

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Speaker 3: of our family members to go through, because it's so

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Speaker 3: that it's risky if your family member is in there

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Speaker 3: and it's not out. It takes the grace of God

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Speaker 3: for you to even lie on your bed and close

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Speaker 3: all your eyes either. Once I survived, by the grace

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Speaker 3: of God, I almost drowned. In fact, I was drowning,

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Speaker 5: I was rescued.

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Speaker 3: Yes, respect some guys that rescued me.

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Speaker 6: I was already drowned.

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Speaker 7: I was gone. I was gone.

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Speaker 5: I was drinking water.

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Speaker 2: Very red all throughout the journey north. My goods have

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Speaker 2: a little choice but to rely on one another and

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Speaker 2: the solidarity of strangers. I heard dozens of stories that

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Speaker 2: one you've just heard in my time in the Daddy End.

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Speaker 2: Total strangers who save each other's lives risk their own

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Speaker 2: in the process. For vis it could only be crossed to.

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Speaker 2: People from three different continents joined arms to form a

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Speaker 2: Just surviving the Dalian takes all of what many people have,

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Speaker 2: But for the people who are in a position to

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Speaker 2: even in desperate times, there's mutual support among the migrants.

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Speaker 2: Very few people.

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Speaker 3: Who are everything will help you. That very few people.

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Speaker 5: Only people who.

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Speaker 3: Are time can actually help. That people will pass you by,

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Speaker 3: and that people who won't. If you have lost your strength,

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Speaker 3: it's not easy for another person to actually help bread you.

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Speaker 3: We can really appreciate those who help, because having your

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Speaker 3: strength is another You must help yourself before you can

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Speaker 3: help another part. Right, So if you can't really have

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Speaker 3: the strength, it will be difficult for you to help another.

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Speaker 3: So we don't really condemn them, but at least we

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Speaker 3: still behind that if they meet people, if they have

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Speaker 2: Sometimes reporting on these places compete them as bleak, unwelcoming

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Speaker 2: just like war or a natural disaster, sometimes the horrible

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Speaker 2: As I've said before in this series, I'm comfortable in

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Speaker 2: are looking out for one another. Kids don't stop playing

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Speaker 2: the moment they become refugees, not do adults stop laughing.

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Speaker 2: In fact, these things become even more important that how

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Speaker 2: we keep our humanity in a system that's inherently dehumanizing.

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Speaker 2: And people don't stop organizing or caring about one another either.

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Speaker 2: It's not just the migrants, of course. One of the

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Speaker 2: families who've been stuck in Bao Jiguito for almost a

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Speaker 2: month was given some money by a local Sender Front

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Speaker 2: member to take a bus. In Mexico, those who don't

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Speaker 2: have enough money to take buses will hop onto freight

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Speaker 2: at night, local people will throw plastic bags of food, water,

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Speaker 2: and clothing to them. In Panama City, I visited a

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Speaker 8: Well Numeros Cordniho is Coordina or the Promotional Social Accompanimento.

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Speaker 7: A Alberto went down a Darien recently, and we know

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Speaker 7: from firsthand experience that the difficulty they have is moving.

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Speaker 7: So some don't go through the stations, but they stay

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Speaker 7: so they appear here in the city, and so they

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Speaker 2: Despite having been set up as a refuge recent changes

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Speaker 2: to Panamian law had made that work difficult.

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Speaker 7: We had to stop that service because the state literally

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Speaker 7: prohibited us as agencies from providing a shelter, and under

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Speaker 7: the premise that if we gave them shelter without them

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Speaker 7: asking for it, they could consider us as human traffickers.

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Speaker 7: So what we do now is we give them food

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Speaker 7: and if they decide to stay, well, we help them

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Speaker 7: with certain processes that we can call humanitarian aid for sustainability.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a wide variety of faith based aid in

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Speaker 2: my time at the border. Much of it has been fantastic,

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Speaker 2: but with more than a decade of refugee camps from

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Speaker 2: resource pot settings, I've also learned to be a bit

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Speaker 2: wary of faith based charity. But something Elias said earlier

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Speaker 2: in Our Taught gave me a great deal of respect

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Speaker 2: for him. It's not justin he said it, but he

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Speaker 2: part created by the media. For it's worth, I think

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Speaker 2: he's right. It's something that as we try and help

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Speaker 2: my a difficult journey. We must always keep in mind

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Speaker 2: he might come from a very different background than my

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Speaker 2: mutual aid group, but we do seem to share the

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Speaker 2: same belief in solidarity with the migrants.

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, much of the media narrative what they do is

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Speaker 7: they victimize and ridicule people in family groups and turn

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Speaker 7: them into pariahs and beggars. Then that is insulting to

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Speaker 7: the dignity of the person. So the way they portray

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Speaker 7: migration is shameful in some cases, and this is very difficult.

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Speaker 7: Well for this, yes, I think that's very important.

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Speaker 2: After this, I forgured I address the issue head on.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking about the many churches and Christians I see

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Speaker 2: preaching hate against people coming to the southern border of

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Speaker 7: There is a sector in the Catholic Church and the

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Speaker 7: Evangelical Church that opposes it and is more closely linked,

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Speaker 7: and they are in fact they are they're benefactors of

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Speaker 7: Trump's campaign. So this one and this one are there, well, well,

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Speaker 7: those are like groups that are rejecting, let's say, the

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Speaker 7: basic principle of the church, which is that we must

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Speaker 7: welcome migrants and refugees. So they fundamentally reject it. So

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Speaker 7: they invent all these narratives that Haitians practice voodoo and

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Speaker 7: come from areas that are what you call problematic or chauvannista,

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Speaker 7: and that they are infuriating or that or that. All

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Speaker 7: the same narrative that was created when when the Maritos

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Speaker 7: left Cuba. And it's not that the Cuban government is

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Speaker 2: Then we asked what he thought of the government's plans

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Speaker 2: to close the doady Enda, if they could even do that.

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Speaker 7: People ask me, do you think the Darian gap is

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Speaker 7: And I say, ask the Mexicans and the North Americans

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Speaker 7: if the Sonara Desert has stopped being a corridor for

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Speaker 7: continue to pass through and people continue to die. So

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Speaker 7: as you say this, this is going to continue. Maybe

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Speaker 7: not a half a million people, but the flow is

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Speaker 7: going to continue. It's going to continue. And then the

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Speaker 7: question we should ask ourselves is what are we going

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Speaker 7: to do or how are we going to accompany this flow?

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Speaker 7: How are we going to accompanies these lives and in

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Speaker 7: what way can let these people's lives impact us.

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Speaker 2: But like so many of us who work along the board,

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Speaker 2: he says, he's constantly fighting against negative messaging that encourages

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Speaker 7: So it's not a question of how I always say,

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Speaker 7: and sometimes they tell me, oh that you always speak

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Speaker 7: so badly of Panama, But it's not speaking badly of Panama.

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Speaker 7: I love my country and I feel that we in general,

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Speaker 7: the Panamanian communities are very welcoming and very affectionate with

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Speaker 7: last week we had a meeting perhaps on national reality,

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Speaker 7: first reaction was, no, it's not the state that pays

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Speaker 7: they pay their own fare.

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Speaker 2: After a week of my interview requests being declined by

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Speaker 2: Alias refreshing. It's nice to know that you're not the

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Speaker 2: only one who sees the system as it is, which

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Speaker 2: on that. Father Alias told me that when he sees migrants,

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Speaker 2: he sees God in them, and that he experiences his

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Speaker 2: faith by helping others. My early experienced religion came in

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Speaker 2: been part of the anti apartheid movement in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a religious person in myself, but I can

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Speaker 2: understand how seeing God and know other people is not

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Speaker 2: that far from my own politics live bit. Seeing God

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Speaker 2: know the people that impels people stand up against apartheid

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Speaker 2: try and answer the question that pytheae alias ask, what

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Speaker 2: can you do?

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Speaker 4: Huge humans died on us up at the top of

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Speaker 1: We ran into them.

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Speaker 2: After getting back from the Daddy End and hearing the

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Speaker 2: migrants share their struggles as they waited in Medico for

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Speaker 2: an outlist designs to lay and discourage them, I really

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Speaker 2: struggled to come to terms with everything I'd seen and

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Speaker 2: was hearing a bit to plenty of dangerous places and

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Speaker 2: seen war, state violence and terrorism. I know the tragedy

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Speaker 2: of death and violence, but the slow and deliberate suffering

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Speaker 2: inflicted on migrants, for people who light to us every

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Speaker 2: day on television, is particularly hard to bear for me.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the start of this series, I

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Speaker 2: think the grim reality of our migration system. On my

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Speaker 2: first day in Bahjiquito, little girl's head hanging limply from

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Speaker 2: a makeshift stretcher a strangers carried her into town. It's

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Speaker 2: also cruel, so deliberate, and so unnecessary, and it felt

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Speaker 2: so disempowering. But that doesn't mean there's nothing you can do.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean there's nothing I can.

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Speaker 1: Do all right. Basically, what we're gonna be doing is

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go this way. I mean, we're gonna star,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go down into this well, We're gonna go

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Speaker 2: This part of the border isn't that far from Acumba,

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Speaker 1: Sorry about the person drinking a smirtof ice. Yeah, he's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are lunch motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming it's a person who brought the

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Speaker 2: This isn't unique to border kindness. Someone has been shooting

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Speaker 2: if you're not familiar, this wasn't true. Belugan now works

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Speaker 4: Dana, good morning to you. We are in Santa Siegro,

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Speaker 5: Ecuadora don't live.

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Speaker 2: Us in.

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Speaker 4: New York, going to New York. They're on the so On.

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Speaker 5: They're on the so On. Costa Rica.

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Speaker 4: Don't leave us in Los Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Don't the New Jersey, New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: Don't they've us in Chicago? Chicago, Colombia, Columbia. Keja no

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Speaker 5: no I celo say yet? They say they want asylum,

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Speaker 5: they don't want to work, They've done their own. Oh

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Speaker 4: Where in the US do you want.

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Speaker 4: What city?

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Speaker 5: Francis Franca Frost where France?

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Speaker 7: France speak Franca.

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Speaker 4: Oh he speaks French. I obviously do not speak French.

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Speaker 2: A Loogan's lack of language competency isn't the only issue here.

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Speaker 2: It's a ho ecosystem of media built up of hyaristically

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Speaker 6: This week, each day has been marked by new daily

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Speaker 9: Well, in some ways, there's actually a small victory here,

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Speaker 9: Even though they are scrambling as fast as they can

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Speaker 9: The reason a lot of people can give you different reasons. One,

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Speaker 2: Two minutes into this report and we haven't actually heard

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Speaker 2: This information is publicly available and even had a press release.

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Speaker 2: a quote homeland security issue, not as people. It's fundamentally

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Speaker 2: even though you wanted to. The borders vast and mostly empty.

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Speaker 2: It's a place I've come to know and come to love,

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Speaker 2: and my time dropping water and recreating and doing other

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Speaker 2: mutilaid projects out here. Now they have a better understanding

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Speaker 2: of the journeys people go through to get here even

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Speaker 2: more determined to make this small part of their trip

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Speaker 2: less dangerous. And besides, I get to see cool rocks.

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Speaker 1: Oh, mister potato here, think he's dying off. Okay okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: God no, I see that. Well, now you say it

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Speaker 1: like that, it looks very leet. The eyes are real

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Speaker 2: Among the cool rocks. Last weekend I found a mini

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Speaker 2: up until that I hadn't heard from Miami and her mum.

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00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: I heard of people being kidnapped, robbed, raped, and ransomed

439
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: in Mexico. Some of them have been caught by authorities

440
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: and pushed back to Chiapas, and others have been unable

441
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: to leave Tappatula after having all their money stolen. I

442
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: wanted which if any of these fates had before been Miami,

443
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: and if she was still having a pepper pig adventure.

444
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: Sadly between where I met her, where I found a

445
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: mini moull. There's nothing else I can do. They're hearing

446
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: the mountains outside San Diego, where the wind blows so

447
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: strong sometimes you can barely stand up. I can do

448
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: something without the ability to do something, something which I

449
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: know is meaningful. I don't know how I'd managed to

450
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: stay on this beat. It's just too heartbreaking to meet

451
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: good people, share meals and laughter, in deep conversations with them,

452
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: and then see them fed into a teeth of a

453
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: machine that robs, brutalizes, and kills them. So that Joe

454
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: Biden can stand on a podium and say that border

455
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: crossing to down this month. They are down, and that's

456
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: allowed you due to enforcement in Mexico. But I want

457
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: to make sure that everyone who does cross the border

458
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: can do so safely and they don't have to die

459
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: on US soil after fighting so hard to make it here.

460
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: This hasn't been the case for everyone this year. My

461
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: friends up and down the border have carried far too

462
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: many little memorial crosses into the mountains. And depending on

463
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: the election results next week, what we're doing might be

464
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: illegal soon, but that'll never make it wrong. Since early September,

465
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: nine people died in a little part of southern California

466
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: alone by friends who searched for them, sometimes found their

467
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: remains and undertaken the thankless task of sharing the bad

468
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: news with their families, then constructive memorials in their memory.

469
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: This is just one of the many dangerous parts of

470
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: the migration route north, but it's the one that I

471
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: can help with. If you're nearby are visiting for a while.

472
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: There are several organizations dropping water on the border, Border Angels,

473
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: Border Kindness and Borderlands Relief Collective here in San Diego, Ah, Samaritans,

474
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: Noms Moerthes in Arizona, groups you Search and Rescue as well. Obviously,

475
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: not everyone lives here at the USA is Southern Border,

476
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: but more than half of the population does live within

477
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: one hundred miles of a border. Even if you don't

478
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: live in the USA, or maybe you do but you

479
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: don't live anywhere near the border, I guarantee there are

480
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: migrants in your community. In the last year, I've worked

481
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: with migrant welcome committees in Maryland, church groups in the

482
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: rural south, Sikhs on the West Coast, occurred on the

483
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: East Coast, to name just a few. Without a type

484
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: of fanfare, people all over this country are making space

485
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: in their homes and their hearts for strangers, feeding them,

486
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: housing them, and helping them get set up in a

487
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: new place. For the most part, it doesn't get coverage,

488
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: and not a democratic administration, it doesn't get much public

489
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: support either, but that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. Aside

490
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: for more of the reasons it's important, dropping water on

491
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: the border is also fun for me. It's helped me

492
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: learn more about where I live, I appreciate the desert

493
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: and make new friends who generally share my outlook on

494
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: the world. I love being outdoors, and I'd be outdoors anyway,

495
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: but this way, my hiker is about much more than myself.

496
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: I mean when you get somewhere with signal, yeah yeah.

498
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: Please to all of you, please share it like I'd

499
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: like to follow your journey if that's okay, and maybe

500
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: we can talk again when you're in America.

501
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

502
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: I gave my number to hundreds of people in the

503
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: daddy in as well as some websites they might find useful.

504
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: One to NGOs explained the CBP one app were the

505
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: ones that might direct them to resources along their route.

506
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: Last Sunday night, as I was absent by least thrumming

507
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: through a shotgun reloading manual in my living room, as

508
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: I love to do. My phone started buzzing. It's done

509
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: this so many times in the last minutes. Mostly it's

510
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: a photo of someone I met updating me on their journey,

511
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: or one of the little wooden animals that they give

512
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: to children, which has made its way to Mexico and

513
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: hopefully giving them some comfort along the way. Often it's

514
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: less positive news. Someone's been robbed or simply run out

515
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: of money and they need help. But I got two

516
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: messages this Sunday which lifted my spirits. No Emi, little

517
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: girl who had an adventure like Pepper Pig in the jungle.

518
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I did to know how I was doing, and she

519
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: sent me a photo of the time tiny stone bear

520
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: that I'd given her. She also wanted to know if

521
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: we could still go to see Minnie Moles, who she

522
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: came to America, which I as showed her we could.

523
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: I think would be quite apt to visit a place

524
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: which builds itself as the happiest place on Earth, where

525
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: someone I met in one of the most desperate parts

526
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: of the planet. The second message was from one of

527
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: the migrants i'd met in the jungle, telling me she'd

528
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: made it to America. Not just to America, but to

529
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: a part of the border where I've been dropping water

530
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: with my friends. Just a few weeks before I left

531
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: for Panama, she sent me a photo of a rock

532
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: with a message on it, one we've done, very familiar.

533
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: She told me about her walk, one which I've made myself,

534
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: and she taught me how hard it was. I said,

535
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: I knew, but really I don't know, because I wasn't

536
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: carrying months of trauma with me on the mountain. She's

537
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: the only person out of one hundred son I met

538
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: who's made it here. Most of them are in Mexico now,

539
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: and most of them will remain there or maybe get

540
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: sent back home, or maybe they'll make a desperate attempt

541
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: across this week. Because you hear this before the election,

542
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: it made me so happy to see someone safely here,

543
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: one person out of one hundred. For so many of

544
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: the migrants I met, America was a dream and the

545
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: journey was a nightmare. Since the series began airing, I've

546
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: seen videos of people I care about clinging to freight

547
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: trains that bruce bodies after being beaten. I've helped them

548
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: find healthcare after they were sexually assaulted, and tried to

549
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: find room at overcrowded shelters. I've helped trans ladies navigate

550
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: all of this and transphobia and misogyny, and tried to

551
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: find resources in French and English and Portuguese for non

552
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Spanish speakers. I'd hope that I'd finished this series with

553
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: a single good story, a story of someone who made it,

554
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: who's living the American dream that people died for in

555
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: the jungle. But I can't because even the people who

556
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: made it here are here temporarily and broadcasting anything about

557
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: their journey would put them at risk whoever wins the

558
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: election next week. So instead I want to end with

559
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: how you can make a difference, and I'll start with

560
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: a story and how little things can make big differences.

561
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: One day in bar Juquito, of sitting around with a

562
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: few Venezuelan kids, probably four to eight years old, ripping

563
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: pages out of my right in the rain notebook to

564
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: make paper aeroplanes. Before I interviewed their parents, I asked

565
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: him about the jungle. They said it was scary and

566
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: they had nightmares. Now, I often find kids in these

567
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: places get scared of the dark, and I used to

568
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: bring these crappy little electric lights for them, but they're

569
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: bulky and they're not very good. Recently, I've been carrying

570
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: little packets of fishing glow sticks instead. They gasked about

571
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: ten bucks for maybe one hundred of the little green lights.

572
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: So I pulled out my glove sticks, cut my hands

573
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: and snapped one. The children remaze of the little glowing road.

574
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: So I gave them the rest of the packet and

575
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: told them they could keep them for any time they

576
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: were scared of the dark. Nearly a month later, I

577
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: sometimes get a message on my phone with a photo

578
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: of a little tiny glow stick on a note of thanks.

579
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: One thing that Father Elias said that really impacted me

580
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: is that when he meets migrants, he asked what he

581
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: sees of God in them, and his work for them

582
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: is where he finds what there is of God and himself.

583
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: Think I've struggled so much with this serious in part

584
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: because I've seen so much of the best of other people,

585
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: and indeed the best of myself into such hard play.

586
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Always struggle a little to readjust aff to trips like this,

587
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: but this one's been particularly hard. In the jungle, I

588
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: saw people helping, and in a sense, we were all

589
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: in it together. When it rained, we all got wet,

590
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: and when it got hot, we all huddled together in

591
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: the shade. We shared bottles of water, We sat at

592
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: the same tables and ate together. I can't really begin

593
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: to experience a full verity inexperience because I've been lucky

594
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: enough never to have anything that bad to run away from.

595
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Better have experienced incredible solidarity and kindness of the people

596
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: who went through it. I've also experienced the incredible indifference

597
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: of people at home, and indeed of the states and

598
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: governments of the world. The Colombian friends I met in

599
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Las Blancas and Bajigito, who are handcuffed and deported and

600
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: ripped from their families, have already invited me to come

601
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: and stay in their homes in Colombia. But if their

602
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: families make it here, they won't encounter that kind of hospitality.

603
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Just last week, I helped to translate for a Venezuelan

604
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: family living on the street in San Diego. Some of

605
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: my friends do sponsor migrants, and that's something any one

606
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: can do if you're able to. It's an incredible thing

607
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: you can do to change someone's life, and I can't

608
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: encourage you enough to do so. I really do see

609
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: the best of myself, of my friends, and of humanity

610
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: and our work to help migrants. I would say that,

611
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: on reflection, I wasn't really an anarchist until twenty eighteen,

612
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: when I watched a state to the world abandoned thousands

613
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: of migros in Tijuana and climbed a fence with my

614
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: friends to take care of them, and specifically to distribute

615
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 2: three huge backpacks full of waffles and another friend had

616
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: sent from his waffle factory. I'd stopped believing in the

617
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: benevolence of the state a long time before, but it

618
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: wasn't really until then that I really understood the power

619
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: of people organizing horizontally to provide each other with dignity.

620
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: Ever since then, I've drawn a lot of hope for

621
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: humanity in the same place as I despair for people.

622
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I keep going back. Since then at

623
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: the border, I've seen people die. I've held crying babies

624
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: and crying parents. I've also shared meals with people from

625
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: around the world, made friends for life, and learned Kurdish

626
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: disco songs about killing people. I've danced around campfires with

627
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: people I couldn't have imagined meeting when I first made

628
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: my own journey here. Last Christmas, when i'd normally be

629
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: at the bar with my friends, I stand in the

630
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: rock in the desert, eating a cold vegan m Marie

631
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: with an Ecuadorian family and some of my friends, And

632
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: all the Christmases I can remember, I never felt so

633
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: much like I was in the right place, doing the

634
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: right thing with the right people.

635
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: What.

636
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of terrible things at the border

637
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: in the jungle, and I'll never forget those. More importantly,

638
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: I've seen that together we can do incredible things, and

639
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: we can make the state irrelevant, especially in the places

640
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: it's chosen to be absent. I don't think we should

641
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: make demands of a state anymore. It's simply not in

642
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: its nature to care. But I do think we should

643
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: make demands of ourselves. I don't believe in God, and

644
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: I've written a whole dissertation about people who burn churches.

645
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: But I think I see something that's just a special

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: to me in the experience of mutul aid, and in

647
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: a way it fulfills not only people's material needs but

648
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: also a human desire for dignity and mutual respect. When

649
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: I drop water at the border or carry someone's bags

650
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: in the jungle, I see myself in them, and I

651
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: hope they see themselves a little bit of me. But

652
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: right now our sylum system is so broken the very

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Speaker 2: few people even make it far enough to drink the

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Speaker 2: heavily in this year's election, there seems to be no

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Speaker 2: national concern about the way our tax dollars brutalize people

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Speaker 2: across the continent. So I want to end by asking

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Speaker 2: you what you can do. It might be coming unhead

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Speaker 2: to drop water. It might be sending some money to

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Speaker 2: one of the links un included the description. It might

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Speaker 2: be offering to translate for asylum seekers. It might just

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Speaker 2: be talking to people and helping to change the narrative.

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Speaker 2: You can vote or not next week, but there isn't

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Speaker 2: a box you can take that will change the things

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Speaker 2: I saw in the jungle. Trump wants to deport millions

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Speaker 2: more people. Harris wants to pass a bill that will

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Speaker 2: kill more people. You can't pass your commitments after someone

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Speaker 2: who's box you take every four years. You have to

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Speaker 2: take them on for yourself. The way we change things

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Speaker 2: is in a way we do things every day, every week,

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Speaker 2: no one's every four years. I want to end with

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Speaker 2: Noai's mum and her message to the American people. I

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Speaker 2: also want to ask if anyone knows how to get

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Speaker 2: cheap tickets Disneyland, because I have just looked that up

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Speaker 2: and I cannot stress enough ho and but I am

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Speaker 2: to afford it.

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Speaker 10: Please excuse us because we know that we are knocking

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Speaker 10: on that door. There are a lot of us, but

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Speaker 10: we are desperate because complaining about the president we have

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Speaker 10: is not helping us. No, he's doing almost nothing. So

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Speaker 10: our children have no future and our country won't support us.

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Speaker 10: It's not easy to leave our parents, our friends, our relatives,

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Speaker 10: our grandparents, and we do not know if we will

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Speaker 10: ever return or if we'll ever see them again. It

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Speaker 10: is not easy. But we also think about a future

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Speaker 10: for our children. And I do not know what has happened,

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Speaker 10: but we feel like living in a dictatorship. We are

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Speaker 10: living something very unpleasant and we do not get any help.

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Speaker 10: But those who help us, we want to say thank you.

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Speaker 10: They opened that door for us. They have opened many

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Speaker 10: doors for many ven as Waynelan Well, we hope in

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Speaker 10: faith that they will open them for us.

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Speaker 2: I want to take this opportunity to thank a few

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Speaker 2: people who made this possible. Firstly, Daddy and Russe, my fixer.

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Speaker 2: She was incredible. Secondly, I want to thank iHeart for

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Speaker 2: paying for this. Like I said, it's been nearly a

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Speaker 2: decade that I've been asking to do this story and

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Speaker 2: I'm just really happy that they trusted me to do it. Thirdly,

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Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone who trusted me with their stories,

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Speaker 2: everybody who stayed in touch as they've come north. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank border Kindness and Borderland Relief Collective, who

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Speaker 2: have both welcomed me on their drops. And it's not

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Speaker 2: always easy to be around a journalist. It's not easy

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Speaker 2: to let someone record everything you're doing out there and

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Speaker 2: their inherent risks to that, and I really appreciate them

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Speaker 2: trusting me. I want to thank Dutch where Hammocks who

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Speaker 2: rush shipped to me a Hammock when my old one

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Speaker 2: tour right before I left. And I think think most

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Speaker 2: of all, I want to thank all of you for listening,

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Speaker 2: taking the time, and all the listeners who have reached

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Speaker 2: out to say they're listening. To the series people who

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Speaker 2: reached out to ask how they can help. I would

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Speaker 2: love to organize a way to help the people I've

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Speaker 2: spoken to. I spoke to someone just this morning who's

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Speaker 2: still stuck in Tapachula because she was robbed and her

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Speaker 2: and her daughter are five hundred bucks short for the

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Speaker 2: bus to ride north to Tijuana. I don't have the

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Speaker 2: capacity to organize that right now, but if someone else does,

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Speaker 2: they should reach out to me, because I would really

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Speaker 2: like to help these people who have become my friends

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Speaker 2: and who I care about, and who are right now

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Speaker 2: stuck in a very dangerous place because someone in Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC has made a choice to treat them with cruelty

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Speaker 2: and not kindness. So if that's you, if you're the

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Speaker 2: person who's going to minister that, please let me know. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: and I hope you enjoyed the series.

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