WEBVTT - It's So Cool Until It Kills Us

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. Ah, the rhythm of

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<v Speaker 1>life is back. Kids at school, 60 Minutes is new,

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<v Speaker 1>NFL football games, all that sort of stuff. Soon-to-be playoff baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Loving it all. Excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>You could mournfully mourn the summer passing, but I like

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<v Speaker 4>your forward-looking take on the challenge attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to go. You've got to look forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>What was I going to say? Oh, so Friday, as

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about a lot, was the 25-year anniversary of 9-11,

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of coverage. The day before, the 10th,

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<v Speaker 1>was the one-year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a horrifying event to some, but a gleeful

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<v Speaker 1>event to others, it turns out, which is highly troubling.

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<v Speaker 1>So where did they do this man-on-the-street stuff?

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it was in the Philadelphia environs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you could do it lots of different places

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<v Speaker 1>where they just ask some people what they felt about

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is what they had

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts on Charlie Kirk?

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<v Speaker 3>He got everything that was coming to him, and I wish.

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<v Speaker 2>It had been longer. So do you think it was

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<v Speaker 2>good that he was assassinated?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was hilarious that he was assassinated.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about Charlie Kirk?

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<v Speaker 5>I feel fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he had what was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>him personally.

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<v Speaker 2>And why did he deserve to die?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he did say that, you know, gun deaths, you

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<v Speaker 5>need at least one to make guns worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think his was it. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of talk would have happened or gone unremarked upon

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<v Speaker 1>20 years ago, no matter who it was that got shot.

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<v Speaker 1>We just didn't talk that way back then. Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>not that many years ago. Anyway, here's more of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Rest in hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you condemn the assassination of Charlie Kirk? To condemn?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. When it happened, I didn't really care,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest. I'm not even going to lie. My

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<v Speaker 2>reaction was to laugh. And then when I saw the video,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay. And yeah, that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of speaking to what I was talking about earlier

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<v Speaker 1>about young people have seen so much grotesque violence online,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't leave a mark at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was going to withhold my comments other than.

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<v Speaker 1>The.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's go ahead and play the last one.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you like to talk?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it F. Charlie Kirk? He's a racist. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad that n * * * a' s dead.

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<v Speaker 1>F * * * Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>How is he a racist? How is he a racist?

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<v Speaker 2>You're a b * * * h- ass n * * *

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<v Speaker 2>a too, you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>How so?

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<v Speaker 6>You're a b * * * h- ass n * * * a, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking to you. I'm not the one walking

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<v Speaker 2>away from a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you got a handful of things going on there,

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<v Speaker 4>and to your point, I think one of them is

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<v Speaker 4>not only do they see horrifying death and bloodshed and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff online to the point that they become desensitized.

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<v Speaker 3>To it, but also.

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<v Speaker 4>When so much of your experience is online, human beings

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<v Speaker 4>become abstractions. They're kind of just... Charlie Kirk was another

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<v Speaker 4>character on my screen. He does not have the reality.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're always talking about, are we the last generation

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<v Speaker 4>that experienced life pre-online life? If I see someone die

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<v Speaker 4>on a screen, my reaction is based on my entire

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<v Speaker 4>life's experience, which is experiencing human beings as human beings.

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<v Speaker 4>other than, like, TV sitcom characters. A lot of these kids,

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<v Speaker 4>most of their experience of other human beings is screen deep.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they can't even... Even if they wanted to,

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<v Speaker 4>they have a hard time relating to an actual human

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<v Speaker 4>being who felt a bullet rip through his throat, realized

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<v Speaker 4>he was going to die in that moment, realized he

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<v Speaker 4>would never see his wife and children again, and his

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<v Speaker 4>kids would grow up without him, and he bled out

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<v Speaker 4>on the pavement. They... It's not that they don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to appreciate that. I'm not sure they can.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think they can either. I know my

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<v Speaker 1>son can't, and it disturbs me that he can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and then you've got the indoctrination, and, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I threatened to do this. I never did.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I threatened to do is talk about Mao

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<v Speaker 4>Zedong in the Cultural Revolutions, the way they ensured obedience,

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<v Speaker 4>compliance with their policies. And it had to do with

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<v Speaker 4>dividing humanity into two groups, the good and the evil,

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<v Speaker 4>to grossly oversimplify it. But since the kids are getting

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<v Speaker 4>taught a lot of that woke stuff in school, they've

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<v Speaker 4>now equated, well, quoting, I can't remember who said this.

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<v Speaker 3>I should have written it down.

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<v Speaker 4>It might have been James Lindsay, but Political disagreement is

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<v Speaker 4>increasingly treated as a serious moral offense rather than a

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<v Speaker 4>simple difference of opinion. When you see the world that way,

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<v Speaker 4>punishing someone for holding different views becomes a moral good.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a good explanation of Mao's thing too. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so those people, young people who are disgusting and horrifying

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<v Speaker 4>to me, they were taught Charlie Kirk was a murderously

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<v Speaker 4>hateful character. Therefore, to celebrate his assassinations like celebrating the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that Hitler finally.

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<v Speaker 3>Killed himself in the bunker morally to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty troubling.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd rather demonize the people who taught them that than

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<v Speaker 4>to demonize the young dolts. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't raise themselves. I don't know if there's

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<v Speaker 1>any turning this around, but I get... As I've said many,

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<v Speaker 1>many times, I get flipped off regularly, angrily flipped off,

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<v Speaker 1>not even just like a casual joking flip off because

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<v Speaker 1>I see their face. And sometimes the just angry because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm driving a Tesla Cybertruck and. They don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Elon helped Trump. I can't even wrap my

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<v Speaker 1>head around being that angry about what somebody else is driving.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get that on a regular basis, and it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me so disturbed. Not because I give a crap

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<v Speaker 1>what anybody thinks about it. how I dress, how I drive,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. But just that people can get that

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<v Speaker 1>angry about politics. As I've said before, I guarantee you

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<v Speaker 1>that for those people, if, if somebody was beating me

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<v Speaker 1>down because of that, they would think that was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>He got what he deserved. Like they said about Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's not a political disagreement treated as a serious

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<v Speaker 4>moral offense.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not a good place for society to be.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no.

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<v Speaker 4>So a couple other exhibits, uh, in the prosecution of

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<v Speaker 4>the modern world, if you will, um, And a number

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<v Speaker 4>of people have written about this. Filmmaker Legzi Alexander, who

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<v Speaker 4>directed a movie called Green Street Hooligans, Daniel Radcliffe was

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<v Speaker 4>in it, and I can't remember who else. It's about

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<v Speaker 4>hooliganism and alleged white nationalism in Britain and that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of thing. It was a pretty big deal, and it's very,

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<v Speaker 4>very well made. But when that poor young woman, that

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<v Speaker 4>young mother who just ended maternity leave and went back

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<v Speaker 4>to work for Bank of America... got stabbed to death

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<v Speaker 4>on the street by that lunatic in New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>She celebrated it.

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<v Speaker 4>She put out memes of like the bat light, except

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<v Speaker 4>instead of the bat, it's Luigi Mangione celebrating that this

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<v Speaker 4>woman had been stabbed because she's one of the evildoers.

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<v Speaker 4>This gal happens to be Palestinian-American, for what that's worth.

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<v Speaker 4>That's bizarre in the true sense of the word. So

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<v Speaker 4>strange as to be Difficult to comprehend. That idea that,

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<v Speaker 4>and back to the whole political disagreement, is a serious

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<v Speaker 4>moral failing. And then she explained it. Israel doesn't care

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<v Speaker 4>about the woman who got killed. They care about the

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<v Speaker 4>positive rating Bank of America gave them in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>of a genocide. There is huge money at stake. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so a young mom bleeding out on the pavement is good.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry, I didn't really, I didn't follow you there.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's another article about how Barron Trump lives an extremely

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<v Speaker 4>reclusive life because of the assassination attempts on his dad.

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<v Speaker 4>And also, he'd grown close to Charlie Kirk. They were

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<v Speaker 4>actual friends. And so he more or less lives in

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<v Speaker 4>hiding because of the political violence and the number of both.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a specific Iranian plot against him. There's a $ 10

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<v Speaker 4>million bounty on his head.

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<v Speaker 3>From Iran. And, you know, we never got to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I read the headline.

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<v Speaker 4>They're now hiring local criminals all over the world to

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<v Speaker 4>do their bidding. Like, there was a case in Romania

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<v Speaker 4>where they hired some local gangsters to beat down an

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<v Speaker 4>Iranian dissident, and there was an incident, I think it

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<v Speaker 4>was in France, that was fairly similar. So, yeah, the poor,

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<v Speaker 4>poor kid has got to, I mean, you know, all

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<v Speaker 4>presidential kids They're protected and keep a low-ish profile, but

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<v Speaker 4>like the Obama girls went to a private school in Washington, D.C.,

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<v Speaker 4>but they went to the damn school.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I actually know someone who protected one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bush daughters all through her college years, following her

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<v Speaker 1>around for parties and bars and sorority houses, stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're they didn't really live in fear.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just, oh, it was going to bring me

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately to this. Yet another poll, Americans who find killing acceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>One in six tell pollsters they're okay with assassination. Then

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<v Speaker 4>they go into the Brian Thompson thing. You're ignorant at best,

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<v Speaker 4>evil at worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess quickly following up on what I said about

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant at best, evil at worst. Hey, morons. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>okay with assassination, you see what happens is some people

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side start assassinating the men and women

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<v Speaker 1>you like. And then it's just a race to the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>you see, is the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>That would stick with them better if they didn't view

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<v Speaker 4>people on the other side as evil.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're the good people.

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<v Speaker 4>So assassinating us would be totally different than assassinating the

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<v Speaker 4>evil people would be their point of view, which is

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<v Speaker 4>obviously the sort of thing that leads you down the

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<v Speaker 4>road you're describing. So an Emerson poll came out a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks ago. It was asking about Luigi Mangione,

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<v Speaker 4>the deranged, misguided, barely 20-something idiot. Were his actions acceptable

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<v Speaker 4>or unacceptable? And 16.7% of respondents said his actions were

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<v Speaker 4>either completely acceptable or somewhat acceptable. This is not a fluke.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the same finding as the firm's 2024 poll, December

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<v Speaker 4>2024 poll. So about 17% are one out of six.

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<v Speaker 4>And after 20 months, the public trial, national news coverage,

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<v Speaker 4>the number has held steady. Public opinion had every opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to self-correct, and it hasn't. It means that Americans' tolerance

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<v Speaker 4>for political violence is becoming hardwired into the public consciousness,

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<v Speaker 4>they write. Let's see, this is Adrian Norman writing. And

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<v Speaker 4>the violence isn't limited to one type of victim, and

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<v Speaker 4>it isn't confined to the opinion polls. Federal prosecutors argued

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<v Speaker 4>on August 2025 court filing that the killing of Mr.

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<v Speaker 4>Thompson helped inspire the mass shooting at the National Football

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<v Speaker 4>League headquarters a month prior.

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<v Speaker 3>Simply put, Mr.

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<v Speaker 4>Mangione hoped to normalize the use of violence to achieve

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<v Speaker 4>ideological or political objectives since the murder of certain quarters

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<v Speaker 4>of the public who openly identify as acolytes of the

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<v Speaker 4>defendant have increasingly begun to view violence as an acceptable

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<v Speaker 4>or even necessary substitute for reasoned political disagreement. Well, and

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<v Speaker 4>if you tended not to believe that, if you were

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<v Speaker 4>taught every day in school or damn near every day

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<v Speaker 4>that their speech is violence, and we've talked about this before,

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<v Speaker 4>If speech is violence, then of course you can answer

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<v Speaker 4>it with violence. Because every human society recognizes the right

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<v Speaker 4>to self-defense. But to justify our violence that's just in

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<v Speaker 4>response to speech, first we've got to.

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<v Speaker 3>Teach the kids that their speech is violence.

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<v Speaker 4>It goes right back to the educational system and how

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<v Speaker 4>it's been captured by leftist lunatics.

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of tech things coming up. Left-handers are

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<v Speaker 1>hating the new foldable iPhone. How I used AI in

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<v Speaker 1>my son's phone.

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<v Speaker 3>Who do I sue?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, a tip I'm taking to look at your phone

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<v Speaker 1>less that I think might be working, looking at it less.

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<v Speaker 1>All coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 5>When we look at the hardware design for the iPhone Duo,

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<v Speaker 5>you'll notice it has an asymmetrical design with sharp right

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<v Speaker 5>corners on the hinge side and soft rounded corners on

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<v Speaker 5>the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>And they do this intentionally.

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<v Speaker 5>So you can have a nice soft rounded edge resting

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<v Speaker 5>on your hand rather than a sharp corner stabbing into

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<v Speaker 5>your palm. But even worse than that, the iPhone Duo

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<v Speaker 5>also had a major software change because instead of having

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<v Speaker 5>your home screen dock, toolbars and app controls on the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom of your phone like they always were now they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be on the right hand side but if

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<v Speaker 5>you're left-handed you're going to have a sharp right corner

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<v Speaker 5>stabbing the palm of your hand and you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>have to reach all the way across an even wider phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to send a text message oh there's some guy

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that the new apple foldable iphone is uh unfair

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<v Speaker 1>to left-handers i can.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell you this stabs left-handers that's my headline I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Taken in a lot of these review videos on different

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<v Speaker 1>things over the last couple of years. God, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the so-called problems are so overblown in these reviews. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to talk about something, but I did that

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of vehicles I've purchased and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you get the car and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the cup holder's a little further up than I would

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<v Speaker 1>like it to be. Maybe, I don't know. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine doing a 15-minute video about it. Anyway, back to

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<v Speaker 1>the tech thing. And I think I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>that iPhone because I take in Every TV show, movies, sports,

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<v Speaker 1>football games, everything on my phone. So it would be

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<v Speaker 1>handy for me to have that screen. Two things I've done.

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<v Speaker 1>I read a little piece in the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>about ways to look at your phone less. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was to turn the picture to grayscale instead

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<v Speaker 1>of the colors. Because part of the dopamine hit is

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<v Speaker 1>the lurid, bright, vivid colors that you get. So I

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<v Speaker 1>turned my phone to the grayscale. And it is much, much,

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<v Speaker 1>much less satisfying to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>How interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I was surprised myself. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like to look at it is kind of what a letdown.

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<v Speaker 1>So where is that? Is that in settings? We're in settings.

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<v Speaker 1>And the key is because sometimes you want the color,

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<v Speaker 1>like especially if you're doing photos or watching videos. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did the shortcut to where you triple click the

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<v Speaker 1>right hand button. I can switch it to color real

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<v Speaker 1>quick if I want to do a picture, then switch

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<v Speaker 1>it back to gray. So I'm going to keep my

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<v Speaker 1>phone that way from here on out because it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely less stimulating and exciting to look at a gray phone.

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<v Speaker 1>One other tech thing. For better or worse, I showed

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<v Speaker 1>my son a way to use AI for a homework

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<v Speaker 1>assignment he had yesterday, which I thought was pretty handy.

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<v Speaker 1>He got this assignment in English. He gets to pick

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<v Speaker 1>a book to read, but it had some limits on

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<v Speaker 1>what books he could read. It had to be a

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<v Speaker 1>certain number of pages. It had to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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<v Speaker 1>all these lists. I said, we can try this. I

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<v Speaker 1>just took a picture of it. put it on Claude

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<v Speaker 1>and said, my freshman in high school needs to follow

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<v Speaker 1>these rules for books, suggest some books. And it suggested

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<v Speaker 1>like 10 different kinds of books. If you'd like this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of book, if you'd like this kind of book,

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<v Speaker 1>if you'd like this kind of book. And we picked

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<v Speaker 1>Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury's, the right page length and skill

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<v Speaker 1>level and everything like that. And I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>a really handy way to use AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Love it.

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<v Speaker 1>God, the way it can just take a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>something and it reads it for you and comprehends it

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great up until the moment it kills us all.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I used it for hours yesterday trying to plan

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<v Speaker 4>a vacation using all sorts of different possibilities and scenarios

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<v Speaker 4>and combinations. It was wonderfully, wonderfully productive. And then we'll

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<v Speaker 4>all be dead, but we'll be productive until that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Until it kills us, it is so cool. More on

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<v Speaker 1>the way. If you're missing a podcast, Armstrong and Getty

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<v Speaker 1>on demand.

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we certainly need to begin to act urgently to

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<v Speaker 6>address the challenges that exist. And unfortunately, Republicans have abandoned

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<v Speaker 6>their responsibility. So under Speaker Mike Johnson, he killed a

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<v Speaker 6>bipartisan task force, this Congress. that was prepared to do

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<v Speaker 6>the serious work necessary to try to erect the guardrails

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<v Speaker 6>to protect the health, the safety, the well-being of the

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<v Speaker 6>American people.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about AI there. So that's Hakeem Jeffries likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be the Speaker of the House soon. These Republicans sound

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<v Speaker 1>like monsters. Saying Republicans have abandoned their responsibility around controlling AI.

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<v Speaker 1>And Barack Obama speaking to a group yesterday behind closed

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<v Speaker 1>doors apparently said we've got to make this a central issue.

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<v Speaker 1>For Democrats running for president and in Congress, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really am worried that this is going to turn into,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even, it could go either direction. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like the masks thing or the vaccines thing. Somehow

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<v Speaker 1>it gets established that one side is for and one

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<v Speaker 1>side is against, and then it's, everybody gets locked into

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<v Speaker 1>their positions because of their tribalism around their party. And

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<v Speaker 1>the best example is vaccines. For the past however many decades,

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals who are anti-vaccine and Republicans calling them crazy for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when COVID hit for a variety of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>it got flipped So you were anti-Trump if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get vaccines. But if that gets locked into AI,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's seen as a partisan thing, being for or

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<v Speaker 1>against it, then we're really, really doomed. I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>When you ducked out fairly briefly last week to begin

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<v Speaker 4>your journey, your jury odyssey.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking about it had dawned on me the

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<v Speaker 4>other day how directionality has taken over our society. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's a term I'd never really even heard. Directionally, I

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<v Speaker 4>agree with them. You know, they're trying to rein in AI.

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<v Speaker 4>But we've become so tribal that you've got to go

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<v Speaker 4>in the accepted direction of your tribe. Even if, like,

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<v Speaker 4>a reasonable correction of your course. Oh, we got this

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<v Speaker 4>one wrong. We went too far. This is actually hurting people.

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<v Speaker 4>Would be very, very smart. And everybody can see it's right.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can't go directionally against it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>We risk a situation in which, you know, one gets

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<v Speaker 4>coded left and the other point of view on AI

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<v Speaker 4>gets coded right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, whichever side ends up being pro-AI, says, well, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>it killed 50 million people in the Western U.S., but

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<v Speaker 4>that's no reason to go all liberal or vice versa.

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<v Speaker 3>That's no reason to side with the fascists. And, oh, God,

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<v Speaker 3>it makes everybody so dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>So, to present a different view on this than we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about in hour one, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, can I talk about the politics again, just real quick?

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember who it was pointed out that The

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<v Speaker 4>Obama be afraid, be very afraid thing is straight out

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<v Speaker 4>of the Democrats' playbook. And that, whether it's COVID or

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<v Speaker 4>climate change, is a big one. They go with the

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<v Speaker 4>be afraid, be very afraid, you need to give us

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<v Speaker 4>this power and we will save you thing. And then

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<v Speaker 4>the doomsayers never end up being right, but they don't

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<v Speaker 4>get called to account for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's on to the next doom.

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<v Speaker 4>And by way of illustration, I was struck that You know,

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<v Speaker 4>the matter, I'm sorry, the modern above the fold is

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<v Speaker 4>what is the New York Times website top few stories.

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<v Speaker 4>And this morning, number one, EPA is expected to erase

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<v Speaker 4>limits on climate pollution from power plants. Number two, six

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<v Speaker 4>strangers connected by disaster, devastating wildfires and storms, weather caused

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<v Speaker 4>by climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>Story three.

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<v Speaker 4>As the fight for a key climate goal falters, some

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<v Speaker 4>beginners fight for survival about these little island nations that

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<v Speaker 4>are going to be drowned and all the little children

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<v Speaker 4>will die painfully in front of their parents because of

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<v Speaker 4>climate change. That's how they get power. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>there's nothing worth worrying about, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've ever clicked on a climate story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never will.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's just me. Sell your parka, buy some shorts.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to AI, to give the point of view

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<v Speaker 1>that I know some of you have, that this whole

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<v Speaker 1>CEOs of the big companies coming forward and saying it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to put up guardrails and for the government to

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<v Speaker 1>get involved and all that sort of stuff is either

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<v Speaker 1>overblown or it's just You're trying to lock in things

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<v Speaker 1>where they are now because you're ahead so that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>can compete against you. I don't think that's true, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way. I think they are for real worried and

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<v Speaker 1>rightfully so. And we're in for the shock of all

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives as a species.

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<v Speaker 3>And or both are true.

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<v Speaker 1>But so this guy, David Sachs, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you know who he is, but he is the main

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<v Speaker 1>advisor to Donald Trump on AI. He's also a super

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<v Speaker 1>rich tech gazillionaire financial dude. Anyway, he put out this

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend after Dario put out his letter on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday about how the time is now in the last

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<v Speaker 1>six months. This has happened. It's almost too late. David

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<v Speaker 1>Sachs put this out. Stop pretending you need anyone else's permission.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop pretending antitrust law has to be suspended so you

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<v Speaker 1>can form a cartel. Stop pretending you need a regulatory

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<v Speaker 1>approval process that supersedes product liability. Stop pretending... I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even understand that thing, so I won't read it. Stop

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<v Speaker 1>pretending you need those same evaluators to police competitors who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't even at the frontier. Most of all, stop pretending

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<v Speaker 1>the motivation to slow down is purely altruistic. You face

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<v Speaker 1>massive product liability exposure if your products do the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of damage in a truly damaging cyber attack you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>The market already punishes models that behave in unpredictable or

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<v Speaker 1>unauthorized ways. You can do this anytime you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need the government. You don't need anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think it's bad, stop doing it, is basically

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<v Speaker 1>his message. You're at the forefront of it. Stop then.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody's holding you back.

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<v Speaker 4>That casts the tech giants as the serial killer who

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<v Speaker 4>writes the police, stop me before I kill again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't stop myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead and pace the frontier. It's about the idea

0:25:10.460 --> 0:25:13.020
<v Speaker 1>that they're on the frontier edge. Well, if you're on

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.420
<v Speaker 1>the front edge, then you can slow down the pace

0:25:15.740 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>if you want to. You're the one setting the pace currently.

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<v Speaker 1>The easiest way to not build superintelligence is for you

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<v Speaker 1>to agree not to build it.

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<v Speaker 4>Boy, the product liability thing. I mean, if you wiped

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<v Speaker 4>out humanity, there are going to be so many lawsuits

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<v Speaker 4>if there are a few lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be so angry. I'm calling my lawyer immediately.

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 3>You're going to be on the hook for huge damages.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that angle of what are

0:25:42.290 --> 0:25:46.590
<v Speaker 1>you doing? You and Sam Altman and Elon as the

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<v Speaker 1>three biggest deals. The only thing is that so like

0:25:49.650 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't include Zuckerberg. And they're spending billions of dollars

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.350
<v Speaker 1>to try to get ahead of those people that they're

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<v Speaker 1>currently behind. Or Google. Because you've got to have all

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders on board. Or all you do is allow

0:26:04.630 --> 0:26:07.100
<v Speaker 1>them to get where you are currently in probably like

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<v Speaker 1>two months and then move forward on down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, as always, what about China? Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I pointed out, though, it's possible both things are true.

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<v Speaker 4>They might actually be terrified of the Frankenstein monster they

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 4>have created, and they're afraid to go any further in

0:26:24.460 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 4>their experiments, and they just want everybody to be held

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<v Speaker 4>back some because they know how scary this could be. And,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, that would solidify their lead. It's possible

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<v Speaker 4>both are true. That's what makes this stuff so difficult

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<v Speaker 4>to come to a conclusion about.

0:26:41.010 --> 0:26:43.610
<v Speaker 1>I'll read the whole last paragraph of his screen because

0:26:43.650 --> 0:26:46.090
<v Speaker 1>it is pretty good. So go ahead and pace the frontier.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the one setting it. The easiest way not to

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<v Speaker 1>build superintelligence is for you to agree not to build it.

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<v Speaker 1>Demanding your preferred regulatory framework as the price of that

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<v Speaker 1>will look like blackmail of the public and the political system.

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<v Speaker 1>So just do it. If you do, you'll buy goodwill

0:27:03.530 --> 0:27:06.610
<v Speaker 1>for the next conversation. If you don't, we'll know this

0:27:06.650 --> 0:27:10.050
<v Speaker 1>was just another bid for regulatory capture or an election

0:27:10.109 --> 0:27:10.970
<v Speaker 1>season PSYOP.

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<v Speaker 3>Forceful stuff.

0:27:15.820 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>The problem is, like, if you're right, and you might be,

0:27:20.900 --> 0:27:24.660
<v Speaker 1>that they're scared of it and they want regulatory capture.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>They might not want regulatory capture at all. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>surely that this is about to be completely out of control.

0:27:32.420 --> 0:27:35.990
<v Speaker 1>Somebody needs to do something. I don't know if I

0:27:36.250 --> 0:27:38.830
<v Speaker 1>buy David Sachs' argument that, well, you're the guys at

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<v Speaker 1>the forefront. Stop then. Because Dario on a couple of

0:27:42.710 --> 0:27:44.990
<v Speaker 1>the shows over the weekend did talk about, you know,

0:27:45.010 --> 0:27:48.450
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of competition out there, including China. We need

0:27:48.470 --> 0:27:51.630
<v Speaker 1>to have the world come together and set up some

0:27:51.690 --> 0:27:56.090
<v Speaker 1>sort of rules like we did around nuclear power, for instance.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, to quote our president, whoever wins AI wins.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. Well, he said, and I think this is

0:28:10.390 --> 0:28:13.270
<v Speaker 1>a childish view, but a lot of people have it,

0:28:13.630 --> 0:28:15.609
<v Speaker 1>that there's way more good that's going to come out

0:28:15.650 --> 0:28:19.169
<v Speaker 1>than bad. Well, if the bad is the end of

0:28:19.390 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>all jobs and everyone's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:28:23.060 --> 0:28:25.100
<v Speaker 1>What possible good matters?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, if I'm dead, I don't care

0:28:27.260 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>if I'm unemployed. True.

0:28:29.300 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:32.900
<v Speaker 1>There's no arguing that.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:36.419
<v Speaker 3>Stuff is all so.

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<v Speaker 4>Overwhelming and complex and difficult to get to people's actual motives.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, as you pointed out earlier, and I

0:28:44.300 --> 0:28:49.100
<v Speaker 4>agree 100%, whether it's Dario or the Harry Potter lookalike

0:28:49.140 --> 0:28:56.170
<v Speaker 4>who blew the whistle last week or whatever, whomever, the idea, well,

0:28:56.210 --> 0:28:58.330
<v Speaker 4>we just need to get together with all the countries

0:28:58.570 --> 0:29:01.110
<v Speaker 4>of the world and come to an understanding and agree

0:29:01.150 --> 0:29:05.370
<v Speaker 4>to work together, including China. Who is that one moron

0:29:05.390 --> 0:29:08.390
<v Speaker 4>who said China is run by scientists?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my Lord.

0:29:10.010 --> 0:29:13.650
<v Speaker 1>So Dario said, we need to work with China. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I realize that's going to be very difficult

0:29:17.490 --> 0:29:20.100
<v Speaker 1>to get China on board and slowing down. And that's

0:29:20.140 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>above my pay grade.

0:29:21.940 --> 0:29:23.410
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It is.

0:29:23.710 --> 0:29:26.270
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, the fact that you just said that sentence out

0:29:26.310 --> 0:29:29.220
<v Speaker 1>loud like that's doable means it's above your pay grade

0:29:29.260 --> 0:29:32.060
<v Speaker 1>as far as I'm concerned. You're a computer genius. You

0:29:32.100 --> 0:29:35.620
<v Speaker 1>know more about that than I could ever get even

0:29:35.660 --> 0:29:38.110
<v Speaker 1>like a half of 1% toward or anything like that.

0:29:38.510 --> 0:29:42.220
<v Speaker 1>But you're just laughing. ignorant in my mind if you

0:29:42.260 --> 0:29:45.250
<v Speaker 1>think you're going to get China to agree to some

0:29:45.350 --> 0:29:47.630
<v Speaker 1>sort of slowdown on this and you can get them

0:29:47.670 --> 0:29:51.350
<v Speaker 1>to honor it. So just don't even think that's an option.

0:29:51.930 --> 0:29:53.580
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the best we can do is choke off their

0:29:53.620 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 4>access to chips, and that's imperfect at best.

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:56.620
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:57.060 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, I was listening to one genius. It might even

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>have been Hinton, the so-called godfather of AI, and there's

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people they put that label on. But

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:13.430
<v Speaker 1>this angle of ASI or RSI, there's way too many letters.

0:30:13.570 --> 0:30:18.390
<v Speaker 1>That's the recurvent superintelligence where it folds back in on

0:30:18.430 --> 0:30:22.300
<v Speaker 1>itself and programs itself. Yeah. would be so bad for everyone.

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.500
<v Speaker 1>It really is like mutually assured destruction that we had

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<v Speaker 1>during the Cold War with the USSR, where they didn't

0:30:30.170 --> 0:30:32.030
<v Speaker 1>want to blow up the world any more than we did,

0:30:33.110 --> 0:30:35.430
<v Speaker 1>so we wouldn't start a big nuclear war. If China's

0:30:35.510 --> 0:30:40.020
<v Speaker 1>convinced that superintelligence is about to take over, and then

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.380
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be in charge, we're not going

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:42.620
<v Speaker 1>to be in charge, nobody's going.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 3>To be in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>President Xi probably doesn't want that. That'd be the end

0:30:47.230 --> 0:30:48.209
<v Speaker 1>of their rule.

0:30:48.830 --> 0:30:51.550
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true. And I don't want to be a bummer.

0:30:51.570 --> 0:30:53.370
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to scare the crap out of people.

0:30:53.470 --> 0:30:57.530
<v Speaker 4>But if you were to say to Xi Jinping, I

0:30:57.570 --> 0:31:01.590
<v Speaker 4>have a way for you to dominate the globe through AI,

0:31:01.590 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 4>100 million of your people will die, but you will

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.860
<v Speaker 4>dominate the globe for the next century.

0:31:09.820 --> 0:31:13.340
<v Speaker 3>Chinese-style communism. Will you take that deal? I think Xi

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Jinping would say yes.

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.930
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he'd even have to think about it.

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:19.140
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:26.810
<v Speaker 4>So, that's not cool. Mention that to Dario Amodei.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather none of this was happening.

0:31:30.350 --> 0:31:30.610
<v Speaker 4>Sure.

0:31:31.670 --> 0:31:36.090
<v Speaker 1>But it's sure damned interesting. It is so damned interesting.

0:31:36.590 --> 0:31:39.050
<v Speaker 1>Watching mankind do this to itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy crap!

0:31:41.790 --> 0:31:50.100
<v Speaker 4>You mentioned Mark Zuckerberg, who's busy developing his pretend-to-be-transgender-and-wear-my-glasses-into-a-locker-room-to-take-videos-of-girls glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>The perception of which he's trying to counter by running,

0:31:56.620 --> 0:31:59.900
<v Speaker 4>all right, I admit it, an unbelievably great commercial. It

0:31:59.920 --> 0:32:03.270
<v Speaker 4>may have been during the football yesterday. A blinded veteran

0:32:04.010 --> 0:32:08.219
<v Speaker 4>wearing his glasses saying, Hey, Metaglasses, can you read this

0:32:08.310 --> 0:32:09.970
<v Speaker 4>for me? And, of course, it's a letter from his

0:32:10.010 --> 0:32:11.510
<v Speaker 4>grandchild or something like that.

0:32:11.930 --> 0:32:14.250
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my God. Well, that is nice.

0:32:14.310 --> 0:32:17.330
<v Speaker 4>Metaglasses, which direction is the flag so he and his

0:32:17.370 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 4>buddy can salute it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay. I haven't seen it, but that seems a

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.140
<v Speaker 1>little over the top, given the reality of mostly it's

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.460
<v Speaker 1>going to be used to take pictures of hot chicks

0:32:27.500 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>without them knowing it.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.230
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, standing on the upper balcony and looking down women's...

0:32:33.290 --> 0:32:34.410
<v Speaker 4>Breast is right.

0:32:34.770 --> 0:32:37.810
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It was over the top, but it was good.

0:32:37.930 --> 0:32:40.950
<v Speaker 1>If it was all blind veterans saying which direction is

0:32:41.010 --> 0:32:42.870
<v Speaker 1>the flag, that would be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. I believe you, Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. It is so over the top, but it's effective.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't want to step on this puppy, but

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<v Speaker 3>On this puppy?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want.

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<v Speaker 3>So, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that? What if Sharon Stone said that? How old

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<v Speaker 1>is she?

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<v Speaker 1>just have, like, Had to take a break, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>All or nothing. He's like an alcoholic, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>That's odd. So, University of California system.

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<v Speaker 4>Promised that, this is from the Boston Globe, promised that

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<v Speaker 4>$ 170 million in spending on a single digital infrastructure project

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<v Speaker 4>would cut administrative bloat by $ 750 million over its lifetime.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds like a pretty good investment.

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<v Speaker 4>Spend $ 170, save $ 750. Instead, the project took seven years

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<v Speaker 4>and ballooned to $ 942 million in cost. And the finished

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<v Speaker 4>product was so poorly designed and difficult to use that

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<v Speaker 4>an entirely new IT unit had to be created just

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<v Speaker 4>to keep the software functional. The savings on staffing, which

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<v Speaker 4>was the original.

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<v Speaker 3>Intent, was zero.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you even spend a billion dollars on new software?

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<v Speaker 4>And what specialized billion-dollar software do they possibly need? If

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.540
<v Speaker 4>a billion dollars are being spent, writes the Free Press,

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<v Speaker 4>I should hope there are no administrators at all after

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<v Speaker 4>it's done. They could have just hired a personal assistant

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<v Speaker 4>for each.

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<v Speaker 3>Student at that rate.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>have a serious problem. Part of that is they had

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<v Speaker 4>a very Biden-esque immigration and asylum system in Britain.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so... Woke and bizarre, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually hilarious, if you put aside some of the grim

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<v Speaker 4>reality of it.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll tell you about that coming up next hour.

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