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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to The Billy Show. Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Rubin Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zeleki, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by the File Territory Network. It's Monday, November twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. We have Luke Merton on the show today.

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Speaker 1: Luke Merton is the new Phillies Player Development Director. Some

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Speaker 1: people call that guy the farm director. You can call

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Speaker 1: him whatever you want, but Luke has been promoted. He

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Speaker 1: was the hitting director of the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: for the Phillies. The Phillies, of course, we talked about

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Speaker 1: this a couple episodes ago. Made some front office changes.

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Speaker 1: Sam full the current GM in a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: is going to be the President of Business Operations. Preston Manningley,

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Speaker 1: who was on the show at the end of October,

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Speaker 1: who is the assistant GM of player Development, has been

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Speaker 1: promoted to GM. So Luke Martin gets promoted, taking Preston

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Speaker 1: Manningly's old role, and we talked about everything from Luke's

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Speaker 1: journey to this point, his philosophy's on hit, his philosophies

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Speaker 1: on pitching. He's got an extensive scouting background, so we

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about that influences in his career and

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Speaker 1: his life. We think you're going to enjoy this. Here

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Speaker 1: he is Luke Martin. Luke, thank you for joining the

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Speaker 1: Philly Show. First of all, congratulations on your promotion to

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Speaker 1: player development director. If we want to kick at old school,

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Speaker 1: we'll call you a farm director. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you have a preference on that, but congratulations on the

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Speaker 1: new gig.

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Speaker 2: Does matter me all. Thanks Tod. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to be here today and I'm excited about

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to be working with the Philadelphia Phillies a

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Speaker 3: different capacity this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's how has the transition, Ben? Has it been pretty seamless?

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Speaker 1: Or I mean this might sound stupid. Do you get

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Speaker 1: the job and go, oh crap. I got to learn

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Speaker 1: about all these pictures now because you were the hitting

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Speaker 1: development director for two years. Right, You're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you're asking me questions about this right, this left the Dominican.

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about this guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely gonna be a process. I'm learning the

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Speaker 3: pictures as we go. I mean, obviously there's pictures I've

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Speaker 3: seen in the past over the years and I've seen

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Speaker 3: around the weight room and stuff like that, but you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's exciting, it's you know, the hitters. Obviously I

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Speaker 3: hopefully know what like the back of my hand. But

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Speaker 3: right now we're a high performance camp down here. Where's

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Speaker 3: ending tomorrow heading into the dead period. So I've been

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Speaker 3: down here. It's been pretty seamless, honestly, Like there's been

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Speaker 3: obviously different responsibilities, but still been down there working with

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Speaker 3: some of the hitters and spending time with them and

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Speaker 3: you know, continuing to work on their development this off season.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell us a little bit about your journey

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Speaker 5: to the Phillies, Luke, I know you, Uh, you've done

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Speaker 5: some scouting you with the Red Sox and player development.

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Speaker 5: You came over as a hitting uh you know, specialist

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Speaker 5: director of hitting with with the Phillies.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Played at Georgia Tech. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so played at Georgia Tech. I was a draft

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Speaker 3: eligible sophomore. I got drafted three times.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I kept going back to school.

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Speaker 3: They were not offering me a lot of money, so

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Speaker 3: I felt like my education was what I really needed

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Speaker 2: My last year, I got drafted by the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: I played up the Triple a I got done playing,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to coach and went to coach in college.

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Speaker 3: That's where I kind of felt like my fit was.

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Speaker 3: And as I was coaching, Tim Hires, the new hitting

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Speaker 3: at my job right now if you ask him about scouting.

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Speaker 3: But he was something I respected and trusted, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I really honestly didn't have much interest in doing scouting.

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Speaker 2: I did it. I got hooked on the Giants. John

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Speaker 3: I was the area scout there for three years and honestly,

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Speaker 3: like it was really really fun. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: And then Aj probably with the Padres, gave me an

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Speaker 3: And you know, it was like I got I got

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Speaker 3: And then kind of the scouting background strong, which obviously helps,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I wanted to get into that a little bit, Louke,

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Speaker 7: but I wanted to ask you your your relationship with Preston.

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Speaker 7: Did that develop when you were in San Diego, when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So present I met he was with the Yankees

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Speaker 3: and like he was there for spring training.

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Speaker 2: He and I just, you know, hello, hey, how are

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Speaker 3: You know, spoke to each other, nothing real big, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: our relationship really grew in San Diego. We spent a

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Speaker 2: People are like, do you guys hate each other? Like, no,

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Speaker 2: we actually really like each other. But this is part

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Speaker 3: So it's Preston's awesome and honestly, like I didn't say,

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Speaker 3: it's like, I'm very thankful that he got the opportunity

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Speaker 3: and I am thankful to him to, you know, help

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I wanted to get into a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, you had the hitting background as a coach, you

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Speaker 7: the scouting, stef How what was it like in the room.

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Speaker 7: Were you in the draft room, were you advising, were

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Speaker 7: you talking through some things. How did it work with

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Speaker 7: your relationship with Barbara. I guess as you moved through

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Speaker 7: that process, I'm really interested in hearing about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I basically had a report to Brian Barbara

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Speaker 3: there's hard to find that quality of people that like I

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Speaker 3: But Barber specifically has been outstanding, very supportive of everything

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Speaker 3: and pressing him worked very well together. But essentially, like

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Speaker 3: than I did even in San Diego. Sinego was still

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Speaker 2: I'd probably go out. Last year, the cycle was I'd

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Speaker 3: And then i'd go out on the weekends watch players,

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Speaker 3: then in print for the draft, would go to the

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Speaker 3: then do the draft and hop back out to see

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Speaker 3: amateur players for next year's drafts as.

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Speaker 2: Well as we want to see the affiliate guys.

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Speaker 7: Wow, it's pretty It's a pretty holistic look and approach

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Speaker 7: us things, which just kind of cool. I mean, and

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Speaker 7: when you were in those draft rooms, were you did

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Speaker 4: How did that dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Work for you?

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Speaker 3: I would say one of my positive attributes of myself

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Speaker 2: So I mean, honestly, like, having spent time in the draft.

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Speaker 3: I was very the group first of all, was Brian

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Speaker 4: That's awesome, that's great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Look, when you were scouting amateur players, what player did

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Speaker 1: you love to find or what players did you gravitate towards?

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Speaker 1: Is the guys that can put the bat on the

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Speaker 1: the road and project is that you know, high ceiling guys,

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Speaker 1: you know raw guys that you could just maybe dream

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Speaker 2: I love good ones hopefully, right, you know.

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Speaker 3: But besides that, I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: looking for players with skills, right, I think like from it,

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Speaker 3: the one thing is like, like Rubin mentioned, I had

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Speaker 3: a holistic view of what was going on, and you

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Speaker 3: realize like, hey, what can we develop and what can't

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Speaker 3: pretty good feel for is like that everybody does, is

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Speaker 3: you know what players are going to do from eighteen

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Speaker 2: They're going to get bigger and stronger.

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Speaker 3: And the idea is like, let's find guys with skills,

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Speaker 3: Let's find guys that can control the zone, and then

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Speaker 1: Luke, you were once one of those players that the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A couple of things like I actually just gave

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Speaker 2: You know, who you are as a person, who you

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Speaker 3: Like Mark Newon was our farm director when I was

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Speaker 3: It's like I want every player to know that I

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Speaker 2: Happen is not gonna happen. And I think like the

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Speaker 5: You're kind of as farm director and you're kind of

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Speaker 6: You have to release a player.

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Speaker 5: Have you thought about what those conversations are gonna be,

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Speaker 3: So I think like, ultimately, even when it comes to

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Speaker 3: is it going to be a tough conversation, Yes, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, like my parents. I grew up as a strong

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I worked with slave with the with

439
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Speaker 4: the New York Mets, so that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm excited about having him.

441
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Speaker 3: And then you know, again, like I go to post playing,

442
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Speaker 3: you have John Barr who hired me and create a

443
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Speaker 3: longtime scout, former scouting director uh A J. Preler, Logan

444
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Speaker 3: White with San Diego, Chuck Lamar with San Diego. I've

445
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Speaker 3: been like you look at you know where you're at,

446
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Speaker 3: and like to get to where you're at.

447
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Speaker 2: You've been.

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Speaker 3: I've been blessed to be around a lot of smart

449
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Speaker 3: people who also cared about developing me. I know, and

450
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Speaker 3: I just had to learn when to shut up and

451
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Speaker 3: listen versus talk. But they I've had a lot of

452
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Speaker 3: people that have helped really impact my life and my

453
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Speaker 3: career as a professional.

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Speaker 4: There's some awesome names.

455
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Speaker 7: Man, I've been to know a lot of those folks,

456
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Speaker 7: and that's that's really cool.

457
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Speaker 4: It's a great group.

458
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Speaker 5: So Chuck Lamar worked in Philadelphia in the same role

459
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Speaker 5: you're in now, and somebody once told me about Chuck

460
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Speaker 5: that he was great at knowing when a guy was

461
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Speaker 5: ready to go to the next level, knowing when to

462
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Speaker 5: move a guy as as a director of player development. Now,

463
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Speaker 5: how big of a challenge is that for you? And

464
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Speaker 5: what markers you know? Will you be looking for when

465
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Speaker 5: it's time to send a hit or even a pitcher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think in general, like you look at

467
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Speaker 3: players like they go to the big leagues, right, I

468
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Speaker 3: think the first thing they have to do is learn

469
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Speaker 3: how to survive and then you learn how to thrive.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's typically how it goes.

471
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Speaker 3: Very few guys go to the big leagues and thrive

472
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Speaker 3: right away, and those guys are the special one. So

473
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Speaker 3: you look at each level, like I take Aiden Miller

474
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Speaker 3: for example, last year he has he dominates the Florida

475
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Speaker 3: State League. He goes up to Jersey, he struggles a

476
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Speaker 3: little bit early, and it's like then all of a sudden,

477
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Speaker 3: it clicks, he figures.

478
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Speaker 2: It out, and he's off for the races. I think

479
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Speaker 2: just ultimately you can see performance.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's a big dictator on whether they should be

481
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Speaker 3: promoted or not. But then also like within that performance,

482
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Speaker 3: there's more than us the numbers. How's the player preparing,

483
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Speaker 3: how's his makeup? You know, the hitting coach, the pitching coach, Hey,

484
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Speaker 3: what's going on between his starts? You get a lot

485
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Speaker 3: more information. But I think like performance honestly is one

486
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Speaker 3: of the biggest indicators. And then you know, you look

487
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Speaker 3: at like what's the goal? What are they trying to accomplish?

488
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Speaker 6: Is it?

489
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Speaker 3: Are we working on a new pitch, are we working

490
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Speaker 3: on a different move in the box?

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Speaker 2: You know?

492
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Speaker 3: And once those things start to be accomplished with the success,

493
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Speaker 3: that to me is probably a better idea of when

494
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Speaker 3: it's time for them to move.

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Speaker 7: So I've already always sort of believed in sort of

496
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Speaker 7: challenging certain guys and then you know, slowing certain other

497
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Speaker 7: guys down. Do you feel like they can that's an

498
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Speaker 7: individual thing as.

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Speaker 4: Far as their overall makeup.

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Speaker 7: Are you willing to there's certain guys willing to really

501
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Speaker 7: challenge them even though you know they may be failing

502
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Speaker 7: that they may be able to handle that mentally, and

503
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Speaker 7: do you slow those other guys down that may may

504
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Speaker 7: need to have success to be able to continue to

505
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Speaker 7: have success later on and build their confidence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're Like you said, there's a balance

507
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Speaker 3: to that knowing the kid, knowing where they're at.

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Speaker 2: I think also the organization.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, if you look at our major

510
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Speaker 3: league roster, we're in a very very good position. We

511
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Speaker 3: have a lot of we have Our twenty six man

512
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Speaker 3: roster is one of the best in baseball, and we

513
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Speaker 3: don't We're not in a rush for these guys to

514
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Speaker 3: get there. But at the same point is if these

515
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Speaker 3: guys are ready to go, we can push them. So

516
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Speaker 3: it's finding that that little bit of tension right where

517
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Speaker 3: it's like they don't really have to go, but they

518
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Speaker 3: can go and find the right balance of when it's

519
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Speaker 3: time to go. But I think in general, like would

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Speaker 3: not be Aiden Miller went from low AY to Double

521
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Speaker 3: A last year, Justin Crawford was a little bit slower,

522
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Speaker 3: and it's like to me though both players ended in

523
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Speaker 3: Double A and from a development standpoint, they both were

524
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Speaker 3: at the levels they need to be out at the time,

525
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Speaker 3: and just because one move fast and the other doesn't

526
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Speaker 3: mean it's gonna better player.

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Speaker 2: It's just different situations.

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Speaker 1: Did you scout Aiden before the Phillies drafted him.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and I saw them in the summer.

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Speaker 1: And tell me what you loved about him and what

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Speaker 1: did you think when you first saw them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one of the most talented kids there was.

533
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think at the end of the day,

534
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Speaker 3: like and he showed that this year. He was a

535
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Speaker 3: very hit, very good at bat quality. He saw the

536
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Speaker 3: baseball very well, and he had power and then he

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Speaker 3: had the ability to stay on the dirt. And like,

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Speaker 3: I think even from my perspective, he's performed a better

539
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Speaker 3: at shorts up and I would have even anticipated the

540
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Speaker 3: development he had defensively this year.

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Speaker 2: Adam Everett and what he did with him this year

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Speaker 2: was outstanding.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to continue to grow and like

544
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Speaker 3: ultimately has the has the tools and capacity to stay

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Speaker 3: at shorts up.

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Speaker 2: That's good stuff.

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Speaker 4: What about Crawford, what was your feeling did you scout

548
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Speaker 4: him as well?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, so I've saw I saw all these guys, and

551
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Speaker 3: that's one thing that's been cool. About the last couple

552
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Speaker 3: of years is you know, they'll they'll talk about high school.

553
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, when you were at this event, and

554
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Speaker 3: they're like, oh yeah, you were actually there, so we

555
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Speaker 3: can kind of go back and talk through that. But yeah,

556
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Speaker 3: Crawford was obviously ultra talented kid. One of his makeup

557
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Speaker 3: to me is like, you can make the arguments. One

558
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Speaker 3: of the best in the organization. I mean, he's a

559
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Speaker 3: tough kid that is a competitive guy. That's like, he's

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Speaker 3: the guy you want up to bat when the game's

561
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Speaker 3: on the line.

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Speaker 2: You trust him.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's out there. I know right now in

564
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Speaker 3: USA they're playing. They played Japan last night and I

565
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Speaker 3: didn't see it.

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Speaker 2: I know he got a hit. I didn't see his

567
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Speaker 2: final line.

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Speaker 3: But he's playing in front of I think fifty five

569
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Speaker 3: thousand people and you're like, yeah, he's gonna be okay.

570
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Speaker 3: He loves the lights. He does a great job. But yeah,

571
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Speaker 3: he's an ultra talented player. Always been productive guy. It's like, hey,

572
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Speaker 3: you look up and he got two hits. You feel

573
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Speaker 3: like every single night.

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Speaker 5: What kind of challenge is it for you as a

575
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Speaker 5: hitting guy to now have to As Todd indicated, earlier

576
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Speaker 5: to have to oversee all of player development, which includes pitching,

577
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Speaker 5: and who will you lean on in that regard to

578
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Speaker 5: you know, make your decisions and you know, guide players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean, like from a Travis Herbert is

580
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Speaker 3: our pitching coordinator right now, He's done outstanding job.

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Speaker 6: I've you know, not.

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Speaker 2: Worked directly with him, but I've seen him work. He's

583
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Speaker 2: done awesome.

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Speaker 3: But then they like I think, to me, it comes

585
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Speaker 3: down to it's more, you know, from a development standpoint,

586
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Speaker 3: I'll be less hands on of how to develop them,

587
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Speaker 3: and it becomes more just a straight evaluation and where

588
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Speaker 3: they're at. And that's the one thing with the scouting background,

589
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Speaker 3: been very fortunate to see a lot of the major

590
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Speaker 3: league pitchers over the years, being the trade deadline in

591
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Speaker 3: San Diego for four years, and then those four years

592
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Speaker 3: San Diego made quite a few trades, if you remember,

593
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Speaker 3: so being a part of that, I learned, was able

594
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Speaker 3: to learn a ton about pitching. And even the last

595
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Speaker 3: couple of years, I've been obviously less yeared towards pitching

596
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Speaker 3: with everything else going on, but I've seen our pitchers.

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Speaker 3: I've seen you know, some of them throw. To this point,

598
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Speaker 3: scouted them and scouted other pitchers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, saw Jackson Joe pitch this year.

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Speaker 3: I saw the two first you know, college first rounders

601
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Speaker 3: this year pitching wise, I got to see Painter in

602
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Speaker 3: the Fall League.

603
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Speaker 2: So I have not completely lost touch of the pitching.

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Speaker 6: Who's like, you know, as you did some Scott.

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Speaker 5: I once I don't even know if you can answer

606
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Speaker 5: this question, but I once Mike Carbuckle was the former

607
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Speaker 5: scouting director with the Phillies and assistant GM a long

608
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Speaker 5: time Atlanta Braves scout, and I once asked him, like, hey, Mike,

609
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Speaker 5: who was the most talented player you ever scouted as

610
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Speaker 5: an amateur? And he mentioned Will Clark. Is there anybody

611
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Speaker 5: in your time is in scouting that just mesmerized you,

612
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Speaker 5: you know as an anerter player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this guy really went off this year.

614
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Speaker 3: But Bobby Wit, I mean, like Bobby what was obviously

615
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Speaker 3: really really talented.

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Speaker 2: We talked about two way.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember watching him at USA and he

618
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Speaker 3: went like he got on the mountains like ninety five

619
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Speaker 3: ninety six, spun a breaking ball and threw strike. You're like,

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Speaker 3: like you could write this guy up easy as a

621
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Speaker 3: first round follow as a pitcher, and I think, like

622
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Speaker 3: these ultra talented guys, you see me. Jack Caglione, you know,

623
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Speaker 3: goes to the top ten mix this year. I remember

624
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Speaker 3: seeing him. He's got huge raw power. I remember watching

625
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Speaker 3: this left handed pitcher hit VP at East Coast Pro

626
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, this guy hitting the ball along ways,

627
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this guy's kind of interesting as a hitter.

628
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Speaker 2: Who is this?

629
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't have no idea who these guys

630
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Speaker 3: are at the time. And then it's pouring down rain.

631
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Speaker 3: I usually sit behind home play at these events, but

632
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: it was because it was porn. I was kind of

633
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Speaker 3: up on the side, and then some left he comes

634
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Speaker 3: in throwing ninety seven miles an hour.

635
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Speaker 2: I'm like, who's this and it was Jack Caglione. So yeah.

636
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Speaker 3: Over the years, you get to see guys and you know,

637
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: a lot of the big leaguers will tell stories of

638
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: what they did on both sides as young players, and honestly,

639
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: like the ultra talented ones, it's true. You know, they

640
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: have that type of athletic ability, that type of physical ability,

641
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Speaker 3: and a lot of times they can do it on

642
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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 4: I had a chance to see gag Leon, the Jack Tahani.

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Speaker 7: I guess they call him, but I had a chance

645
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Speaker 7: to see him this fall because I was doing the

646
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Speaker 7: MLB Network broadcast, and not only does he have some

647
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Speaker 7: some serious pop, but he actually looks like a pretty

648
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Speaker 7: talented hitter I mean used the other field. Well, I

649
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Speaker 7: mean I was really surprised that for a guy who's

650
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Speaker 7: really that young. I mean he's literally right out of

651
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Speaker 7: the draft, to be able to handle the bat the

652
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Speaker 7: way he did and utilize the entire field pretty cool.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question he's a very talented individual. And

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the Royals are happy they have them.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, you mentioned a lot of the influences you've had

657
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Speaker 1: in your career, and I'm wondering he had about like

658
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Speaker 1: a dozen at bats or so in spring training with

659
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Speaker 1: the Yankees I think it was in twenty thirty. Team

660
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: do you run across? I mean, were you there long

661
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: enough to have a conversation with with Derek Jeter or

662
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: any of the big leaguers that were there in camp

663
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: and anything that they said maybe impact you?

664
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was plain. I got to go

665
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: to spring training.

666
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: I got invited to spring training after I had a

667
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: good year in double I went from you know, a

668
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: non prospect to a suspect.

669
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: You know, for just a short time.

670
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: But I got to go and you know again, you're

671
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: sharing a locker room with a Rod and Jeter and

672
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: Robinson Cano when he was in his hey day mark

673
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: to share each row, I mean, Curtis Grant and you

674
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: get just the name, like every position was just like

675
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: oh you know WHOA So yeah. I got to be

676
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: there for two weeks. I remember I tell a story

677
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: about getting what I got sent back to my league camp.

678
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: I was in there with cash Man, Joe Girard and

679
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: all these guys. They're like, hey, do you have any questions.

680
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, can we do this tomorrow? But like

681
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: this is I'm like, yeah, well tomorrow is meal money.

682
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: So if I can get meal money before I leave,

683
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: that'd be awesome. I didn't get it, but you know what,

684
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: it was a great experience to be there. I got

685
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: a hits too. I remember, I was I had this

686
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: is bad. I remember this, but I was when I

687
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: was in camp. I got tenant bats. I got three hits.

688
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 3: I went back to myer league camp and then they

689
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: sent me back up for a day. I'm like I

690
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: don't want to hit. They're like, wow, I'm like, I'm

691
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: a three hundred here in the big leagues.

692
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: I don't need to hit. And then I faced, uh

693
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: the oh he pitched here. I can't think of his name,

694
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: the lefty with a low slot that threw really hard

695
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: pitch for the Rangers and pitch here Deacman. Yeah, that's right,

696
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: that's right. Yep. So Decman was thrown.

697
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: I hit a lone drive up in the middle of like,

698
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: all right, I can have another bat now, my my bat.

699
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: My batting average stay over three hundred. So it was

700
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: a fun experience.

701
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 7: You know.

702
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: It was like one of those things where obviously the

703
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: goal was always to play in the big leagues. You know,

704
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: I felt like I had the the ability to do it.

705
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: That was the goal.

706
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: Obviously, not reaching the goal was not something that like

707
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: it is disappointing at the end of the day, but

708
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: you know, having that big league experience, excuse me, big

709
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: spring training, big league experience bear on those guys, was

710
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: was cool to draw back.

711
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: Where was that? Where was that that decision for you?

712
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 7: And when you said, okay this I'm not going to

713
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 7: be a major league baseball player.

714
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to move on, And how difficult was that

715
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: for you to make that to make that call?

716
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

717
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: It was hard for me because again, like I'm a

718
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: was a very probably still am a very competitive person.

719
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, this is what I want to do it.

720
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: I got to figure out how to do it.

721
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: But I got put in a situation where I had

722
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: a good year in double A and triple I went

723
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: and I wasn't really playing as much, and I got

724
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: married a little bit younger, I had a kid, and

725
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: I felt like, hey, what am I doing for them? Like,

726
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, mynor leagues has changed a lot since then

727
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: as far as how much money guys are making. So

728
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 3: I felt like it was time for me to go

729
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: do something else. And you know, it ended up being

730
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like my goal was

731
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: to support my family and love my wife and love

732
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: my kids, and I felt like at that time was

733
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: what I needed to do.

734
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: So I have zero regrets for me.

735
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: So when you your last year in pro ball was

736
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, you played some indie ball when you decided

737
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: to hang up the cleats and stuff like that, could

738
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: you have ever met like what was your goal at

739
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: that point? Was it just I want to stay in

740
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: Bay And you mentioned coaching and stuff like that in

741
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: the college coaching, but is this kind of beyond your

742
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: wildest expectations to be farm director for the Phillies or

743
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years in We're like, maybe I can

744
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: kind of get get on get on that trajectory.

745
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: I think like when I got done playing, I was like,

747
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: I want to go be a college coach.

748
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: I felt like that would have been a good fit

749
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: for me.

750
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: It's like that's where my head was at, and obviously

751
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: God had different plans. But like as far as like

752
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: what do you aspire to be? I mean, I've told

753
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: people this before, is like I want to be a

754
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: high achiever at whatever I'm doing, And like what does

755
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: that lead to? I don't want to say I don't

756
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: know and I don't care, But like I don't know

757
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: and I don't care.

758
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: I just want to be really good what I'm doing.

759
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: And I think, like, if you truly like one thing,

760
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: I never did a great job as a player until

761
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: I got older.

762
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: I think because my brother played in the big League.

763
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: I saw what he did.

764
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: He was a first round pick, and it was like, yeah,

765
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: if my brother did this, I can do all this,

766
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 3: so it's like I want to go there. And then

767
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: I think what I've learned on this side of it

768
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: is I just want to be really good at where

769
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm at. And once as a player, I realized, hey,

770
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: be comfortable where you're not comfortable, to be content where

771
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: you're at but still work for more is helped me

772
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: a lot. And I think, like I've been able to

773
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: take those learning experience as a player and like just hey,

774
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go be really good at my job when

775
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: I was an area scout for the Giants. I want

776
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: to be as good as I possibly could be. Hey,

777
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: how can I grow? How can I learn? And how

778
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: can I get better? I mean, like even now, it's

779
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: like our organization the last couple of years, we've you know,

780
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: improved in hitting in the last couple of years, and

781
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, great, Like now what now, how are

782
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 3: we going to get better? I think if we focus

783
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: on that, then all the jobs and aspirations and stuff

784
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: will kind of take care of himself. And I'm like,

785
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: I say that I'm very thankful and blessed to be

786
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: where I'm at, but like it's just another day and like, hey,

787
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: how am I gonna get better at doing this job

788
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: today and what can I do to impact the Phillies.

789
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 6: It's funny you mentioned Jake Diekman. He was one of

790
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 6: my favorite.

791
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: Stories in the last decade or so because he was

792
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: a Phillies prospect or pretty much a Phillies non prospect,

793
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 5: and he was pitching in South atlantically in Jersey, and

794
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: he was way up here and he was struggling badly

795
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: after a few years, and he thought he was going

796
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: to get released, and you know, they came to him

797
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: and said, we're gonna try someone and try dropping your

798
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: way way down and they kind of put him on

799
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 5: the I l with a phantom something.

800
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: We would never do that, Jim, we would never.

801
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: Do that, and they and they worked on it in

802
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: the bullpen, and that move changed his life, made him

803
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: a many year Big league you're a multi millionaire. I mean,

804
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: it's amazing the impact that player development can have on

805
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 5: a kid's life and a kid's career when you just

806
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: think out of the box and you're a little bit creative.

807
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 6: Do you have any of maybe those type of stories.

808
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 5: And you know, have seen types of things.

809
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: Like that over the years.

810
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: No, that's a good point. Remember the similar story. Aaron

811
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Luke was kind of the same thing. If you look

812
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: at Aaron Luke younger in his career, he threw a

813
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: higher slot. I remember facing on that like, oh we're

814
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: facing Luke. This is great, and then he was thrown

815
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: from a lower slot and through horrors like this is

816
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: not I'm not having. But I think overall, like in

817
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: player development, I think the idea is like you have

818
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: to be willing to like challenge yourself in certain spaces

819
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: and like you the one thing to me is like

820
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: if we focus on the process, then the results will

821
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: take care of themselves. And it's like if we feel

822
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: like it's just a picture to your to your points,

823
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: like he's thrown from here, it doesn't work.

824
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: You drop them out.

825
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: Let's find out. I think so many times people are

826
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: afraid to make mistakes that they're like sometimes don't put

827
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: themselves in position to have success. And I think ultimately

828
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: having those conversations with the players and just hey, man,

829
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: here's what we're doing and here's why we're doing it. Like,

830
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: if you can give players like a reason to why

831
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: you're doing something, ninety nine percent of times are open

832
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: to do it. So I'm completely open to doing that stuff,

833
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: you think about guys like again, I don't know this

834
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: story as well, but it's like Mario and Navera was

835
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: always really good and then he threw the cutter and

836
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: he was really really good.

837
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 7: Right.

838
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: So it's a matter of like, hey, are we willing

839
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: to do different things to push ourselves to be as

840
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: good as we possibly can be? And I think as

841
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: a coaching as coaches and the player development group, I

842
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: think the idea is like does it make the player better?

843
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: And how can we make the player better? And I

844
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: would use this as an example for like creativity. I

845
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: remember Chuck Lamar said this to me a couple of

846
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: years ago. He said, Hey, everybody wants to think outside

847
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: the box. Well, stuff's inside the box for a reason

848
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: because it stood the test of time, right, And it's like, yeah,

849
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: that makes sense. But even within that eighty five ninety

850
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: percent of what you're doing is inside the box. And

851
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: that ten to fifteen percent, to your point, is that

852
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: creative side. So let's see what we can do with

853
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: something else.

854
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 4: So let me let me. I would be remiss.

855
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 7: I would be mad at myself if I didn't asked

856
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 7: this question, because there's a you know, over the last

857
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 7: several years has also been this push to create velocity

858
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 7: and create spin when you're on the mound, and it

859
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 7: has led, in my opinion, to a whole lot of

860
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 7: host of things, one of them being injury for one.

861
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 7: But I was just kind of curious as you're, you know,

862
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 7: to overall philosophy on that. I know, guys are bigger

863
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 7: and stronger, and they create more arm speed and that

864
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 7: kind of stuff. Uh, where are you at as far

865
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 7: as pitching.

866
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 8: As opposed to throwing and and how you know how

867
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 8: to how to continue to develop pitchers what I feel

868
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 8: is the right way and to develop starters which has

869
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 8: not been happening.

870
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: You're not you know in this day and age. You know,

871
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: four or five innings is something that's uh, you know

872
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: that that's.

873
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 6: Extolled right now.

874
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 7: And uh and you know I'm a sort of old

875
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 7: school when it comes to that kind of stuff.

876
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, for sure.

877
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean you look at even the big leagues, like

878
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: if a guy throws five innings, it's a it's a

879
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: big deal. Now as a starter, I mean, I think

880
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: our team or current team with Phildelphi is a little

881
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: bit different with you know, Nolan Wheeler and these guys,

882
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: it's it's a little weren't a little different world, which

883
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: again I think that's part of why we have so

884
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: much success at the big league level, because we have

885
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: those horse type arms that can throw. But ultimately, I

886
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: think in general that is like each player has capacity

887
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: to do certain things. I think like you can't make

888
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: a reliever or a starter. It's a little easier to

889
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: make a starter a reliever. But let's take Andrew Paynter

890
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: for example. Obviously he's come back from injury. In the

891
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: Fall League, he was outstanding. The velocity was there, the

892
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: command was there, he separated two breaking balls, he was competitive,

893
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: all those things right, and he's you know, not only

894
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: a great talent, he's a great kid. Being around him

895
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: a little bit last couple of years. But I think

896
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: starting pitching wise, like if we're chasing velocity, stuff matters, right.

897
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: You look at to me, like I look at pitching

898
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: in four ways. You have velocity, which we talk a

899
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: lot about, and just in general in the industry, you

900
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: have deception, okay, you have their operation, their ability to

901
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: repeat over and overall, and then you have command. Right,

902
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: It's like those four things are like that's what helps

903
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: create success from a pitcher, and I think in general

904
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: as an industry that we can do a and I

905
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: think they do a good job here of balancing stuff

906
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: and command.

907
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: Right.

908
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: It's like, if your command's not good enough, the stuff's

909
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: got increase. If your stuff's not good enough, the command's

910
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: got increased. And I think that's where like from a

911
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: like a scouting lens, and you know, obviously you've had

912
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: a lot of experience with that. It's like you look

913
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: at what does this player have to do to be

914
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: a big leader. It's like you watch a guy in

915
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: my leagues. He's strowing ninety ninety three. The slider's just okay.

916
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: He throws pretty good strikes. It's like he probably needs

917
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more intent to get to where

918
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: he needs to get Versus you got a guy like that,

919
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: you know, can back off the stuff a little bit

920
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: to pitch a little bit more. I think there's there's

921
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 3: obviously time and place for that. I think in general, though,

922
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: like as I'll speak to the industry out the Phillies, necessarily,

923
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: I think the industry is chasing stuff more than I

924
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: probably would. I think there's a fine balance between the two.

925
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: And I think we've.

926
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: Tiered a little bit more to the stuff. But saying that,

927
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: I still do think stuff obviously is really important. If

928
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: you watch the games at seven o'clock, these guys have stuff.

929
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: But what's the balance. I think as an industry it

930
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: could be a little bit more towards the pitching aspect

931
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: versus the throwing aspect.

932
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Look, we had pressedon on late October, and I asked

933
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: him at the at the end of our conversation, I said,

934
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: is there an under the radar guy? You know, speak

935
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: from the hitting side, since most familiar with him, is

936
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: there an under the radar guy that you watch play

937
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: and go? I cannot believe more people are not talking

938
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: about this dude, like this is this is.

939
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: Wild to me?

940
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Like who would that be for you? If if you

941
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: feel like naming somebody?

942
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean I think like the one guy

943
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: this year that I went and watched play and then

944
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: I looked at his numbers and I got done, and

945
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I just saw playing the Fall League

946
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: Auto Kemp. Okay, he's a little bit of a it

947
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: was an undrafted player, could play third base, some second base,

948
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: and first base.

949
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna play.

950
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: He played a little bit of outfield in the Fall League,

951
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: may play a little bit of outfield this year.

952
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: He's a guy to me, It's like he's not one

953
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: of the famous guys, but he just keeps getting better

954
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: and better and better. It's like he's the guy that

955
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: makes you sometimes feel like a good coach. Could you

956
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: tell him something? He kind of does it. You're like,

957
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: oh wow.

958
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: But it's really comes down to his ability and his

959
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: aptitude to make adjustments. He's done a tremendous job. I mean,

960
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: he's a talent. Honestly, he's a talented kid too. It's

961
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 3: not like he's just one of these players that completely

962
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: self made. I mean, he's hitting balls in the Fall

963
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: League a long long ways. But he'd be the guy.

964
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: To me, he's like a little bit under the radar.

965
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: I think by the end of this year he won't

966
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: be under the radars.

967
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's awesome. And then I have one last one.

968
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 6: You said, you have how many kids do you have?

969
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: I to two little girls.

970
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 6: Two little girls.

971
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: Do they play softball or baseball?

972
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: Or so?

973
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: They both love soccer? Okay, my oldest one plays, she

974
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: does play softball. I think my youngest one might play softball,

975
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: but she wants to play street hockey right now. So okay,

976
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: I mean, all I know is my eight year old

977
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: I had. I had skates on and a hockey stick

978
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: out there with the other day, just trying not to

979
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: fall over.

980
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: We had fun.

981
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: That's funny because I was gonna ask if they were

982
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: into softball, like what hitting tips do you give a

983
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: kid that age, because a lot of kids in Philly

984
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: right now they're going to be cramped up inside all

985
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: winter and they're gonna want to maybe hit the ball around.

986
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: But do you have any tips for him?

987
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: I would say, get to a good position to hit

988
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: and be accurate with your barrel. Those That's what I

989
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: would tell them. I said, like, how easy can you

990
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: we call it simplistically, your load and you're unload.

991
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: How easy can you get through your load? And then

992
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: how explosive can you be through your unload and stay

993
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: on the ball. That's what I was telling him to do.

994
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: What's he talking about? He just hard and have fun.

995
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: How about that?

996
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: When you go to a little league game in the

997
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 5: Philadelphia area, every dad says, get your elbow up because

998
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: that's how Mike Schmidt did it.

999
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: I struggle with the coaches I'm not great with the coaches,

1000
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: and I was.

1001
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: My daughter played and she never played travel.

1002
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: She played in a travel tournament the other day because honestly,

1003
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: she played with her cousin, my sister's daughter.

1004
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, you have her, come play. They need

1005
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: an extra player. And hearing the things that were said,

1006
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: I was just it was, it was. It was tough.

1007
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: It's hard about by your tongue. It's hard to bite.

1008
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: Your tongue drives crazy.

1009
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 6: To Tom's going through it now drives some nuts.

1010
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1011
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I have an eight year old boy and then my

1012
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: girls middle child's five. She's getting into t ball, and

1013
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, you hear a lot of hear a lot

1014
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. Kevin long I talked to him like

1015
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: last summer, the summer before. He said when he got

1016
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: the hitting coach shop, his first hitting coach shop, his

1017
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: dad said, man, oh man, you're gonna be in for it,

1018
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: because everybody thinks they know just enough about hitting to

1019
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: tell you that you're doing the job.

1020
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: Ra The one I always love is when the parents

1021
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: say you gotta want it more.

1022
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, he wants to hit. It is clearly not

1023
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: that easy.

1024
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, people do forget it. It's the toughest thing

1025
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: to do in sports. I'm convinced of that.

1026
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: Still, there's no doubt. I tell you guys all the time.

1027
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: The funny thing about that comment, it's the hardest thing

1028
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: to do in sport, Like somebody made that up one

1029
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 5: hundred years ago before they were throwing ninety eight with

1030
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: big spin, you know, carry through the zone and every

1031
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: pitch you could even dream of.

1032
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: There's no doubt it's not getting any easier. I can

1033
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: tell you that.

1034
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 6: Oh that's great.

1035
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's why it's probably good I got out of

1036
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: the director of hitting job and not smart.

1037
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: That's Coboard thinking right there, maybe we go, there we go.

1038
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Well, look, that was a that was a lot of fun.

1039
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 7: Man.

1040
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on. Best of luck to enjoy your

1041
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: new gig, and uh well all three of us. I'm

1042
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: sure we'll see in clear Water.

1043
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: In just a few weeks.

1044
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

1045
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: Congratulations, good luck to you, Luke Man. I wish you

1046
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: the best, I really do.

1047
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1048
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Thank you again to Luke for the time. Philly Show.

1049
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,760
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1050
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
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