1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Go back everybody to Fantasy Baseball Festival a friendship right 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: here on our Fantasy Roads MLB channel, The Welsh and 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: I are back here and we're talking about prospects and 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: what a prospect group we have this year in twenty 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: twenty six is an incredible grouping some big names making 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: some big noise right now in spring training. And who 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: better to break them all down than Jeff Pond's from 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Baseball America. Jeff, it's good to see you, my friend. 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: There's one thing that you can never have, and that's 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: prospect fatigue. I feel like you're not allowed to have that. 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: I can have it about certain players, that's for sure, 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: But you know, my appetite to continue digging and you know, 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: seeing more and more new players every year is certainly 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: you know, fun and it's a blast to get to 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: do this. 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Well, who do you think Jeff might have prospect fatigue about? Yeah? 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: Is there somebody that I mean, like, you know, like 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: I would say probably a little different for Jeff now 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: with what he does, But like the most common prospect 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: fatigue for most of us is that guy that won't 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: get the hell off the list, like Jordan Lawler stayed 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: on our list for like three years because he wouldn't 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: have prospect QUALIFICA, he wouldn't like exhaust his prospect qualification. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: So what I know from most people is it's a 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 3: guy that you're just like, all right, we're done trying 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: to completely figure this out, get the hell off the 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: list because you're in this weird space. 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: But I don't know if you still have that anymore. Jeff. 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: You're just like you're just pumping it out. You're just 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: seeing all the dudes and you're not Probably it's not 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: like your singular list anymore. It's all you guys over 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: Baseball America. 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I. 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: Mean I make a pretty good effort to try to 35 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: get anybody off that I think we need to get off. 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, sometimes it works in your 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: favor and you know it's trending that way and it 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: ends up that way. Other times it's somebody like Colson Montgomery, 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: who was on our off season top one hundred last year. 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: We moved him off on the first update that we 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: do in April. We're into March, and you know, for 42 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: two months it looked really good, like they sent him 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: down to the complex to rework his swing. I mean 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: it seemed like, all right, we made the right move 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: here and then make some adjustments. As happens in baseball, 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: it is a game of adjustments, and next thing, you know, 47 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: he takes off in the second half and has a 48 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: really good year, and then you're like, I guess we 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: had him on the preseason list, right, Like, you know, 50 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: you want to take credit for it that way, but reality, 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: you know, that was kind of reacting to our like, 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: all right, we've given this guy enough runway of two 53 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: years in Triple A and we still haven't seen it. 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 5: But baseball works in funny ways, and. 55 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: Joe, I can promise you is there's going to be 56 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: no fatigue for the guys that we're going to be 57 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: talking about today for this segment, even though we've all 58 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: been talking about a lot of these prospects or slash 59 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: rookies for redraft. But it's like a really weird space 60 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: because sometimes there's not a lot of guys to choose from. 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: Sometimes there's maybe one, and you've got to kind of 62 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: just be paying attention in the first month or so 63 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: for pickups. And then there are cases like what we've 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: got right now where it's like, legitimately there have been 65 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: upwards of like five to ten guys that could be 66 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: breaking camp or be with a beat up within the 67 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: first couple weeks that also will have significant significant impact. 68 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: All right, before we break down those guys, we're gonna 69 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: make that impact. 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Now he is hitting 88 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: just two away, but it's the home runs everybody's talking about. 89 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: He had two to one game last year. He started 90 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: an A ball, went to High A and then Double A. 91 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: The combined stat line from those three stops twenty one homers, 92 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: ninety four RBI. He scored one hundred and seventeen runs 93 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty two games a three thirty 94 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: three batting average on nine to forty one ops. So, 95 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: at twenty years old, with zero games at Triple A, 96 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: do you think that the Pirates break camp with him? 97 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: Or do they give him fifty to one hundred at 98 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: bats in Triple A, manipulate the service time, and then 99 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: bring him up maybe later on. 100 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: So this is a team that's already been burned by 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: trying to manipulate service time. So they did this with 102 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: Paul Skeens, and they actually lost the service time because 103 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: of him, right, you know, winning the Cy young they 104 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: also didn't get the draft pick, which even if he 105 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: hadn't won Rookie of the year the year he would 106 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: have probably. 107 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 5: Right, but. 108 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: They would have gotten it from the Cy Young Award. 109 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: You know, so it if I'm the Pirates and and 110 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: the thing is like I you know, I obviously talk 111 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: with a lot of organizations. I don't think it's a 112 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: dumbfront office. There's a lot of smart people on that 113 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: front office. There's people that have been part of winning 114 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: organizations and a lot of people that came over from 115 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: the Astros, people from the Red Sox, the One World Series, 116 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, it's it's not a dumb organization. 117 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: The issue is the ownership. And you know how much 118 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: he's willing to invest in this team. They didn't make 119 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: more of an investment this year. I think they realize 120 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: now that you know, their time is going to be 121 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: limited with with Paul Skeins and Connor Griffin. He's going 122 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: to be up at some point this year. There's really 123 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: no reason not to break camp with him. See how 124 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: this goes. And frankly, he's he's probably their best hitter. Now, 125 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: he's their best defender in the infield, and he's probably 126 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: their best defender in the outfield. And this isn't hyperbole. 127 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: I mean I've been covering prospects for twelve years. I've 128 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: been going to minor league games since I was a 129 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: bat boy in the early nineties. Like I've seen a 130 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: lot of players, I've seen Hall of famers. This might 131 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: be the best prospect I've ever covered. 132 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: And you've got a picture of the two of you 133 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: and your yea. This kind of points these projections, by 134 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the way, for great is basically you know, telling you 135 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: it's a three and a half month player. That's what 136 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: the projections are suggesting. Do you agree with them? 137 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 5: Yeah? 138 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean it is. That's actually where I 139 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 3: was going to go with this. It's doing it because 140 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: the projections are around like ninety games. If you want 141 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 3: to look at ATC's projections, which this is like pretty 142 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: close to ATC's. ATC's got him at ninety one games, 143 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: ten homers, seventeen stolen bases, two fifty seven average, So 144 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: you know, if you pseudo extrapolate, you're probably they're telling 145 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: us that he's like a let's call it, seventeen homers, 146 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: twenty five stolen based type of guy. My first and 147 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: I want to throw this to you, Jeff, because you 148 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: and I talked last week. First off with this projection. 149 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: What do you think a full season projection looks like 150 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 3: for Connor Griffin? So this is a little over half. 151 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: Do you think what I said, what the projections are 152 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: throwing like like a seven, it's called seventeen, twenty five, 153 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: two sixty with like eighty eighty. Do you think that's 154 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: a relatively accurate first full year projection or do you 155 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: think it's we should be more aggressive? 156 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: No, I think I think that's probably you know, accurate. 157 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 2: I think maybe somewhere like closer to twenty home runs. 158 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: I think it's the stolen bases that are going to be. 159 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: Way louder than that. 160 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: There's very few guys that have hit for the amount 161 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: of power that have run as much as as Griffin 162 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: did in his first professional season. 163 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 5: There's a hit tool here. This isn't you know, this isn't. 164 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: Just a power hitter with the batting averages and and 165 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: you know, spring training and it was like last year, 166 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: like he had one game first, like actual official game, 167 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: I think he struck out four times, where he struck 168 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: out six times over his first two games. He never 169 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: did that again for the rest of the season and 170 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: ran a sub twenty percent k ray. This is this 171 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: is a really advanced hit tool. So I would say 172 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: that the batting average floor is probably like two sixty 173 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: two sixty five, even with like neutral. 174 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 5: To slightly bad luck on batted balls, and. 175 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: Play twenty forty more likely. It feels like I feel 176 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: like you want to say like more. 177 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: I think I think you could go twenty four. 178 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: Ok. You know, it's just always how this stuff shakes out, 179 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: how many games he plays, if there's an injuries and 180 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: season that sort of thing. But yeah, I mean, if 181 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: this guy's playing one hundred and sixty games, I think 182 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: it's reasonable to think he's going to exceed seventy five runs, 183 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: seventy five RBIs, hit two sixty, there's seventeen to twenty 184 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: two home home run capability, and probably thirty five to 185 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: fifty steel upside. Like it's the ridiculous point in time 186 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: where he's gonna run and he's probably going to be 187 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: their leadoff hitter. 188 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: So the one thing I want to get out of you, though, 189 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: real quick before we move on, is what you told 190 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: me last week, and things could have changed because there's 191 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: been a little bit of signaling about like you go 192 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: to Triple A. There's all this stuff, But I asked you, 193 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: what percentage do you think that Connor Griffin makes the 194 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: opening day roster? And I don't know if you remember 195 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: that percentage you gave me, and if that has changed, 196 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: what percentage would you put on him? 197 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: Was it ninety five? 198 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: There was ninety five percent that you would make the roster? 199 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: This is this is such a tactical mistake if they 200 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: don't try this, because this is a small market team 201 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: that needs all the resources they can get and draft 202 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: capital really matters. 203 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 5: Giving up multiple. 204 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Million dollars in bonus and a pickspace that allows you 205 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: to then kind of control the board, because that's what's 206 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: different about the baseball draft versus NFL or NBA. It's 207 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: not just the best player. There's a money component with this. 208 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: There's a bonus component with this where you can actually 209 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: pull the twelfth best player to pick thirty six. If 210 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: you can do that, that's a huge advantage for a 211 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: small market team that's restricted on who they can sign, 212 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: who they can retain, et cetera. So it just I 213 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: think this is something that's been in the works for 214 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: a while. I'd be really shocked if they don't do it, 215 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: but we'll see. It is the Pirates ninety. 216 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's switch gears to the Cardinals. Here in 217 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: JJ weatherhold the player that I'm very high on that 218 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: I do think will break with the club. I think 219 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: these projections are very light. They're also suggesting more of 220 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: a like a four month kind of player, three and 221 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: a half month player, but I think he's going to 222 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: be a six month player personally. If you look at 223 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: last year's stats between double and triple A combination, there 224 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: of one hundred and nine games, seventeen homers, fifty nine RBI, 225 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: twenty three steals. He hit three zero six. The slash 226 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: matters to me here Jeff three oh six four to 227 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: twenty one OVP five ten slugging on nine thirty one ops. 228 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: Those are elite numbers to me. Whenever you see a 229 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: three four five slash, that's a player who's got enoughing 230 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: left to prove in the minor leagues, and that's a 231 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: player that you think is going to be a superstar. 232 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: I love the approach of Weatherholt, I love the swing path. 233 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: I love everything about this kid. And the Cardinals I 234 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: think desperately need kind of like the Pirates a little bit, 235 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of the flip things over a little bit some 236 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: better mojo here, you know, show the fans, hey, there's 237 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: something to get excited about for the future. What's your 238 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: take on weather Hold this season? 239 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the organization has given you every 240 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: signal that this guy is going to be, you know, 241 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: starting in the innfield, they assume second base. 242 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 5: But the interesting thing about. 243 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,359 Speaker 2: Him and Fantasy is, you know, the power is continuing 244 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: to tick up, that there might even be a little 245 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: bit more power ceiling here than even what we saw 246 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: last year. And I will say, and I discussed it 247 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: with weather Holds at the Futures game a little bit 248 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: because I do do our Cardinals coverage and have for 249 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: five years since I came over to BA, just about 250 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: the changes in the swing and the setup as he 251 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: got called up the Triple A right before the Futures Game, 252 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: and the power was really starting to tick up, and 253 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: you could see he was getting the head. 254 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: On, you know, in front of the ball a little 255 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 5: bit more. 256 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it was like very 257 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: strategic for him to try to, you know, pull the 258 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: ball in the air a little bit more, get to 259 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: more of his raw power, but not sacrifice the things 260 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: that make him such an unbelievably talented hitter. And you know, 261 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: you talk about the slash line, all that sort of stuff. 262 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: I have, you know, the full season stack cast data 263 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: as well. I mean it was a fifteen point six 264 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: percent end zone with rate, which is you know, elite, 265 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: a seventeen point four percent chase rate. But what's really 266 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: impressive about that is it's a seventeen point four percent 267 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: chase rate with a forty one point seven percent swing rate. 268 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: So that delta is something that I always look at 269 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: if I don't have a heart swing, if I don't 270 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 2: have a zone swing metric to me of how aggressive 271 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: somebody is in the zone. And he had one of 272 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: the higher chase minus swing rates in the minor leagues 273 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: last year while hitting for all that contact, and you know, 274 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: showing a ninety point four mile average EV one oh 275 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: three point six ninetieth, which I think is going to 276 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: continue to tick up, and had some of his hardest 277 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: hit balls all you know, his hard hit launch angle 278 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: for example, thirteen point nine degrees. As he starts to 279 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: get into that poll, He's a guy that makes a 280 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: lot of flush barrel contact. 281 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: I think the numbers are only only going to tick up. 282 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: Probably the greatest detracting factor with weather Holt is probably 283 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: the ballpark. 284 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 5: I mean, it's not a great place to hit. 285 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: You know, if weather Holts in Cincinnati, I think we're 286 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: going even crazier. He's probably getting drafted at that point. 287 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: We're around higher good point. I took him in tut 288 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: Wars as my second baseman. I'm more than happy to 289 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: go into the season with that, especially in an OBP 290 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: league where I feel he's going to walk a lot, 291 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: He's going to hit for enough power, but he's going 292 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 2: to you all the little things. 293 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 5: You're gonna be a lot of hits here. 294 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: It's going to be the guy that you you know, 295 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 2: maybe doesn't hit. 296 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: You like him too, right, Jeff Like, he's the kind 297 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: of guy that you know he's going to get on base, 298 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: he's going to make contact. He's a positive net player. Well, 299 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, he is five nine. He's a smaller guy, 300 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: five nine, one ninety so frame wise he's a little smaller. 301 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: But you know, to Jeff's point, you know, if you 302 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: see what he did from the jump from Double A 303 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: to Triple A, he improved his slugging percentage by one 304 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: hundred points in that league. But the batting average actually 305 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: got better as well. So to me, Welsh, that's what's 306 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: so encouraging about Weatherholes. Just because he's starting to add 307 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: the power, he's not doing it at a cost. 308 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. I've talked a lot too and the comp. 309 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever had anybody get excited 310 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: about how I've made this comp But like digit Weatherhold 311 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: has just there's a lot of like Corbyn Carroll things. 312 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 4: I see in him in this game. I think it's 313 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 4: a great in the attack, in how. 314 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 3: He can get the ball in the air, how he 315 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: can come across his body more. 316 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: Of a line drive swinger, I feel. 317 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Like, I mean, but I think he can also make 318 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: the adjustments and as Jeff said that, he's got like 319 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: an elite ability to make contact. And I'm not worried 320 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: about the size, you know, smaller, bulkier type of guy, 321 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: like he can legitimately be a twenty twenty guy in 322 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: the majors. 323 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: And maybe we throw that around loosely. 324 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: Sometimes we've got to see how they're gonna, you know, 325 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: ultimately adjust when they get to the major leagues. I 326 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: think some people would have said that about like Mason Wynn, 327 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: you know, his counterpart there at one point, but I think, 328 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: like legitimately, this is a guy that's going to hit 329 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: at the top of the order, has full five categories 330 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: in play here, and it is just shocking a little 331 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: bit how low. Like I get the Connor Griffin. Connor 332 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: Griffin is another worldly player, and I get the like, 333 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, is it gonna make the team, But 334 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: like like JJ Weatherhold is a guy that is almost 335 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: like all but a shirt to make the team, like 336 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: any they could pull the rug, but they are like 337 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: a handful of these prospects that have some really good 338 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: upside that still have just not jumped. It's all the 339 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: pitchers that are jumping. It's the rookie hitters that are 340 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: not getting love. And maybe people are a little gun 341 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: shy about it. And I think JJ Weatherhold is going 342 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: to be one that's going to make people comfortable again 343 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: with that. 344 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Kim McGonagall for a second here, 345 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: watch because I know that's a player that you and 346 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: I are very excited about. I comped him to Brian 347 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: Giles the other day on the show, another guy who 348 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: was a little undersized but had some real power. He 349 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: really opened some eyes this week and spring training two, 350 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: had a big week. I had a big home run too. 351 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: He'shitting three eighteen with one thousand OPS right now. Last 352 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: year he made it through a ball all the way 353 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: to double A, so he went to the high A 354 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: in between. There, so still another one like kind of Griffin. 355 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: No triple A experience yet, but so far in the 356 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: minor leagues he's got a nine hundred OPS. He's got 357 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: three hundred batting average over one hundred and eighty three 358 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: games Arizona Fall League Welsh five homers, nineteen runs, batted in, 359 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: stole three bases, hit three sixty two, had a twelve 360 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: hundred OPS. Like Zach mckinsrey should not be the reason 361 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: why Kevi McGonagall is not in the opening day roster 362 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: for the Detroit Tigers. 363 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, man, Maybe Cole Keith shouldn't be the reason 364 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: that Kevin McGonagall is somebody. 365 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of things. 366 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Nobody should be the reason that Kevin mcgonagall's not the open. 367 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I feel anyway. 368 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: I thought one of the loudest signals early in the 369 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: offseason was when the season ended and they were just like, 370 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: we've got to get players that don't strike out thirty 371 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: percent of the time, looking at guys like Spencer Torcosin 372 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: and Riley Green, like, we got to get some contact 373 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: hitters to complement these players. 374 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: We've got to have some different type of guys. 375 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: So they said, Kevin McGonagall and Max Anderson out to 376 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: the Arizona Fall League. I watched them a ton. Kevin 377 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: played a lot of third base out here. I think 378 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: he can play wherever they want. Short second. I think 379 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: short ultimately would be the spot that he's going to go. 380 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, there is no trip A experience. But like 381 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: the guy won MVP out here. I mean, he was 382 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: one of the most advanced hitters. I remember talking to 383 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: Renee Rivera about I was actually comparing Max Anderson in him, 384 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: and he was like, listen, Max Anderson's phenomenal. He's kind 385 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: of like at his peak, this is who he is. 386 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: Like McGonagall is better and has still has so much 387 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: room for growth. R Renee Rivera was just oohing about him, 388 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: And I think the organization feels the same way and 389 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: the Spring. Not that you want to like really pay 390 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: attention to Spring stats, but like listen, he's doing the 391 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: same thing. Strikeout less than twenty percent, he's walking double digits, 392 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: he's hitting over three hundred, he's got a three four 393 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: to six slash in the spring. He's pulling the ball, 394 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: he's not putting it in the air. He could defensively 395 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: play across the board, like yeah, I think you got 396 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: to find a way. So this is one of the 397 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: those guys that I think he's worth the bet because 398 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: the cost is really low. He's worth the bet to 399 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: draft right now if he does make the opening day roster, 400 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: if you've got the wherewithal on the ability, I'd love 401 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: to hold him for a month too, because I think 402 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: he's not going to be long for the minor leagues. 403 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: Now. I don't know how long you want to hold him. 404 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: You don't want to hold him for two or three 405 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: months or anything like that, but he's going to be 406 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: a guy. If he does not get drafted or you 407 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: throw him back, everyone's going to be fighting on the 408 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: waiver wire when he comes back up because the guy 409 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: tremendous batspeed, good ability to pull the ball in the air, 410 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: maximizes the size that he has, and as you can 411 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: see on some of the projections, this is another one 412 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: of those twenty twenty guys with really high batting average. 413 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: So I think sky's the limit type of stuff with 414 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall, and there's no reason not to take a shot. 415 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: The end of the draft is the spot where you 416 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: should be taking opportunities on players that you can just 417 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 3: burn and churn. And Ken McGonagall he just doesn't have 418 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: the Jj weatherhold hold on a roster spot right now. 419 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: But I think from a production standpoint, we want to 420 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: make that. 421 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Bet well, Jeff, I mean the Tigers are telling you 422 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: all in, right, I mean they did in Trade School Bowl. 423 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: They went out and they got Framber Valdez. I mean 424 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: they went out and got another closer to and Kelly Jansen. 425 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: Like they're showing you they're all in if Kevin McDonald 426 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: can help you win games and help you, you know, 427 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: be in the right place come playoff time. Like that's 428 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: that's the path. I love that. We're talking about the 429 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: short kings too. It's another guy's five nine, Jj Weatherhill. 430 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: All these short kings taken over baseball. Definitely, all these 431 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote five nines. I'm telling you right now, it's 432 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: these guys are I'm looking eyed high with these guys 433 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and I love these giants. 434 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: Like the Weatherhols five nine, but also like yoked yeah, like. 435 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: Rights McGonagall, you I mean you, I mean like low, 436 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: We're half of guys are squawing five hundred. 437 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: Here like broad shoulders, like I've sat with JJ for 438 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: an hour, like and I've met Kevin McGonagall since he 439 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, Like I've seen these guys a toune. 440 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: Mcgonagall's a tiny little guy. But here's the thing. 441 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: Is baseball, right, Like having shorter levers is not an issue. 442 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: If anything, it's an advantage at times, especially for a 443 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: lot of these guys, and I certainly think it is 444 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: for McGonagall. I wanted to address one thing you guys 445 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: brought up about Triple A. I think that is completely meaningless. 446 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 5: I agreed, we did this. 447 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: We did this research a couple of weeks ago, and 448 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: JJ made three All Star teams. I'm gonna read them 449 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: off to you, guys that never spent a moment in 450 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: Triple A before they were called up. Catcher on the 451 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: first team, Alejandro Kirk, first baseman, Paul gold Schmid's second baseman, 452 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: Jose l two ve shortstop, Carlos Pereau, Jose Ramiroz at 453 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 2: third base, Fernando Tatist Junior in the outfield with Mike Trout, 454 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: Juan Soto and Manny Machano. 455 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: Okay, and then Longoria was another guy too, right, I 456 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: mean we have we have three full teams. 457 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: Joe, I have more names. William care Well, you only 458 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: have a half hour second Watson, I mean, Alex Bregman, Kyle. 459 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: Gonna do it anyway, Let's yell Bonds, let's go. 460 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: These names for the best players don't need time in 461 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: Triple A. And the Triple A environment that we're currently 462 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: in is. 463 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 5: Not helping anyone anyway. Over the last couple of years. 464 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of massd some of the appro issues that 465 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: a lot of guys have had with the challenge. So 466 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: I just don't think. I don't think it's going to 467 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: be a factor with either of these guys. And I think, 468 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 2: as you see in camp, McGonagall might be the Tiger's 469 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: best hitter. Like no disrespect to Riley Green, I think 470 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: this might be their I think he's their best player, 471 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: and he's probably their best option at short based on 472 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: defensive metrics. They do not have a strong defensive team, 473 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: so there's not too many guys that are going to 474 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: keep him off a shortstop because they're better options there are, 475 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: and maybe Tray Sweeney, but you know his bat's gonna 476 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: wet noodle in the big leagues. 477 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: That such a fantastic point you made about Triple A 478 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: not being what it used to be in terms of 479 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: development too, because you've got a lot of quality guys. 480 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: You got a lot of guys who you know will sign, 481 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, minor league contracts especially. 482 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: I mean, because you can't replicate, you can't replicate seeing lineups. 483 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: I can go to the Polar Park fifteen minutes from 484 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: my house and I can dial in Garrett Cole and 485 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: I can face Garrett Cole for four at bats and 486 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: it's the most perfect version of Garrett Cole coming off 487 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: of that track machine. There's no robot that you know, 488 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: pretends to be the Yankees lineup in July. And that's 489 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: the thing that you just can't replicate. The pictures and 490 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: can't really replicate in the minor league. 491 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: Is important for teams to manipulate their prospects, That's what yeah, 492 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: I think. 493 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 5: But I think it's useful for pictures. 494 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: I think seeing better lineups and seeing lineups that have 495 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: maybe four or five guys who have major league experience, 496 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: a rehabbing guy in a couple of top prospects. 497 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 5: That's probably the best lineup that you've seen in your life. 498 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: All right, before we get to more prospects, here shout 499 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: out to our sponsor, hard Rock Bet. 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Play terms of conditions apply. 517 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: Concerned about gambling in Florida call one eight three three 518 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: play wise. In Indiana, if you are someone you know 519 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: as a gambling problem, laws help called one eight hundred 520 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: and nine with it gambling problem called one hundred gambler 521 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Jeff, 522 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: I want to get into another one of your guys too, here, 523 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: Cult Emerson. So let's talk about Emerson for a moment. Here. 524 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: Obviously another player here we're very high on. So let's 525 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: break down Colt Emerson, tell me what people should be 526 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: looking for out of him in twenty twenty six and beyond. 527 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is probably more of a stash type 528 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: of prospect here, but. 529 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 5: He could be up early. 530 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 2: And I think, especially when you consider some of the 531 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: adjustments and changes that he made after the first few 532 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: months of last season, I think a big thing with hitting. 533 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: We talked about hands and back path and all that 534 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 5: sort of stuff. 535 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: As someone who works with some hitters you know here 536 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: as a coach as well, I think posture is much 537 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: more important than people realize. 538 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 5: Got a little bit more upright. You know. 539 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: What that led to was just better timing. The barrel 540 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: was in the zone a lot longer. He was able 541 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: to kind of hold back on breaking stuff and manipulate 542 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: it and the numbers back that, you know. Over the 543 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: first two months of the season, Emerson hit two forty six, 544 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: three forty six, three sixty nine, So the good approach 545 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: was there. He wasn't striking out a ton, but just 546 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: was not doing a lot of damage. He made those 547 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: changes to his setup in his swing from June first 548 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: on hit three zero six, four oh four, five oh eight. 549 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: Ended the season in Triple A and performed there. He's 550 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: a guy that can play a few different spots throughout 551 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 2: the infield, whether it's you know, third base, I think 552 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: he'd be fine there. Shortstops is more natural position. Second 553 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: base he'd handle without an issue. But I think you 554 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: look at a player here that has a really good 555 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: hit tool, has always had a really good hit tool. 556 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: The angles and the power have continued to come. You know, 557 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: he doesn't turn twenty one until late July. Left handed 558 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: bat and a versatile defender, and a guy that I 559 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: think is shorthanded enough in terms of like internal clock 560 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: timing actions, all that sort of stuff that he can 561 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 2: play anywhere on the infield and it's not going to 562 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: be a massive downgrade defensively. And I think, frankly, this 563 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: this Mariner's lineup, like their best lineup probably if not now, 564 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: but pretty soon, is Brendan Dunovan at his more natural 565 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: position of second base. He hasn't really played a whole 566 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: lot of third base since he was in college and 567 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: high school. 568 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 5: But Coult, you know, has played some third and. 569 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: I sort of feel like he's maybe their best fit there, 570 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: more of like a natural third base profile. 571 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 5: With a stronger arm, a little bit more of a 572 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 5: power hitter, et cetera. 573 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: And I think he's a guy that will that will 574 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: grow into more power once again, like with Weatherhold, it's 575 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: not necessarily the best ballpark for a power hitter, but 576 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: a guy that you know, has the EV's and all 577 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff to kind of back it, and 578 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: you know, it's something that Roman Anthony had said to 579 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: me years ago when we were doing the interview for 580 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: his you know, number one prospect in baseball a couple 581 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: of years back. But he's like, I don't consider myself 582 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 2: a power hitter, but a hitter with power, and I 583 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of guys like that. You know, 584 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: Weatherholt to an extent is like as becoming more of 585 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: that calt. Emerson really is that same style a hitter, 586 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: and he's gotten bigger, stronger, and I think, you know, 587 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: the EV's will continue to climb. So Emerson's a guy 588 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: for me that I got him in my last round 589 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: of my talt Wars league. He's kind of a perfect 590 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: stash in like a weekly league if you have the 591 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: ability to do that, because I think the upside could 592 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: be immense and could maybe be even be kind of 593 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: a dark horse Rookie of the year sleeper in the 594 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: American League. 595 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: All Right, Welsh, let's talk about another one of the 596 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: guys that you have on your list too, that you're 597 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Charlie Condon of the Colorado Rockies 598 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: last year went through rookie ball all the way up 599 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: to high excuse me to double a from high A 600 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: combined ninety nine games there fourteen homers, fifty eight RBI. 601 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: He hit two sixty eight, so there was a bit 602 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: of a drop in the batting average from High A 603 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: to Double A. But what are your expectations for Condon 604 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: based off of what you've seen so far from him? 605 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: The spring where he's hitting four hundred with three home runs. 606 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: Well, also not mentioned in there, as he went to 607 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: the AFL, So he did all of that. He went 608 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: to the Arizona Fall League where he kind of smashed again. 609 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, this is a turnaround for me because I've 610 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: not been a condent guy. I watched him very early 611 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 3: on when he came over after being drafted, and he 612 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 3: looked horrible. He looked awful. He was chasing everything. He 613 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: was super easy. If you pitch backwards on him, he 614 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: couldn't catch up anything. And I was just like, this 615 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: guy can't hit off speed stuff. He's just looking for 616 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: high v low bad strikeouts. He's really matured over the 617 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: last couple of years AFL is he really started to 618 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: see the strikeouts cut back down. He's making a lot 619 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: more contact. And then this spring, on top of the 620 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: statue you just said of hitting four hundred, with three homers. 621 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: He's also only struck out seventeen percent of the time 622 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: eighty five percent zone contact over on fangrafts. He's doing 623 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: stuff better. He's not hitting stuff on the ground, he's 624 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: getting in the air. And then here's why I'm bringing 625 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: this up though, TJ. Rumfield like that, that's who he's 626 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: competing with right now. Troy Johnston like those are the 627 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: first base guys that the Colorado Rockies are potentially looking 628 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: at rostering. I'm not saying they won't do that, but 629 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: Charlie Condon. Legitimately, they don't have Chris Bryant. They've got 630 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: a big loss on their hands just overall, contractually, Charlie 631 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: Condon is a big fan favorite. I don't think it's 632 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: out of the realm. 633 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: Of possibility that they do. 634 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: There's also there's questions about how they develop guys and 635 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: maybe they push them a little too sooner, and you know, 636 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: no one's gonna. 637 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 4: Really bad an eye. 638 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: But give me Charlie Condon with a lower strikeout rate, 639 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: better contact rate and the way he hits the ball 640 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: with those hard hit numbers in Colorado, and I think 641 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: it happens soon, and it doesn't happen out of opening day. 642 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: It's a guy that I'm paying attention to after the 643 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: first month or two because I'm not sure that Rumsfield 644 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 3: or Johnson are gonna be able to hold down. 645 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 4: A first base gig the whole year. 646 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: So like Jeff's Colt Emerson one, put a stash maybe 647 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: at the back end of a dread after you could 648 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 3: take kind of Condon is vying for that job at 649 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: the tippy top. But if not, make sure you put 650 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: a little pin in that and watch for him in 651 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: season if he gets hot, because those guys are not 652 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: going to keep Charlie Condon off the field, and Colorado 653 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: is just going to make him a little bit better. 654 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: So Charlie Condon is a surprise for me to even say. 655 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: Jeff, great stuff. As always, before I let you go, 656 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: we're up against the break real quick. Give me a 657 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: prospect that's opened up your eyes this spring too, that 658 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: maybe was on your radar, or maybe he's popped a 659 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: little bit more somebody that really kind of just went 660 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: ooh wow, that guy really is taking his game to 661 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: the next level over this offseason. 662 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a guy to watch out for is 663 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: Justin Gonzalez, and I'm gonna say only a little bit 664 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: because I'm going to save some of it from my 665 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: prediction podcast with mister Welsh as the where I think 666 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: this could go. But the swing seems like there's been 667 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: some adjustments made. He's getting to the ball more in 668 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: the airy homeward again in the backfield today. Actually, just 669 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: was looking at the video before I hopped on here, 670 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: and you know, the underlying skills are all there. Really, 671 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: lot's strikeout rate, good contact rate, humongous evs, like it's 672 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: eighty grade power if it all comes together, and it 673 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: already has like a really good hit tool. 674 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 5: So I think that's kind of what you gotta look at. 675 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: We can always dream on the Spencer Joneses, but we 676 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: need guys that make contact. 677 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: Speaking of huge evs, two guys with hugev's are gonna 678 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: join us next, Joe Rico and Justin Mason. That's right, 679 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to them. Welsh is gonna go get 680 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: us running in a little bit. He'll be back a 681 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: little later in the show. Let's spring Training's got to 682 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: get the running in. 683 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 5: Jeff. 684 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you, Jeff Ponds, everybody from 685 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: Baseball America. We appreciate you hanging out with us and 686 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: talking prospects. 687 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 5: We come back, we're gonna talk about must. 688 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: Haves, the guys you gotta have in twenty twenty six 689 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: with two guys I gotta have right here on the show. 690 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back after this quick break. 691 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 6: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Baseball Podcast. 692 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 6: If you love the show, the best freeway to support 693 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 6: us is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts 694 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 6: or Spotify, follow us on x, Instagram, and TikTok at 695 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 6: Fantasy Pros, and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube 696 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 6: dot com slash Fantasy Pros MLB