Speaker 1: What's up. It's lip service.
Speaker 2: I'm Angela Yee, I'm Gg Maguire, I'm Stephanie Santiago.
Speaker 3: Come on, oh hi, I'm Jonnifer Williams.
Speaker 1: And I'm Mowna Philip.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, what's up, ladies? How y'all feeling good?
Speaker 4: You guys enjoying the wine? I do want to shout
Speaker 4: out to Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige.
Speaker 4: We're drinking her wine. And also my boy Dynae were
Speaker 4: drinking his Lafette Rose Delicious. You know, black owned brands.
Speaker 4: I only do you don't normally we don't do this,
Speaker 4: but I know you are classy and whatnot, so I
Speaker 4: knew we would.
Speaker 1: Have had something else.
Speaker 4: Jennifer would have been like, I know, I'm okay, No,
Speaker 4: I don't do that hard liquor stuff anymore.
Speaker 3: I think, okay, don't don't tell my.
Speaker 1: Secrets, Jennifer. We know you good for a penal Greese, Mariam,
Speaker 1: you had a letter backing at us up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no tequila today, but.
Speaker 4: Listen, just for some context. You know this is my girl,
Speaker 4: Jennifer Williams. Y'all know her from basketball wives, I know
Speaker 4: her from high school. But yeah, and so we've been
Speaker 4: watching this is this the last season, you think.
Speaker 3: No, it's definitely now. It's too much stuff going on
Speaker 3: and our ratings are great.
Speaker 1: Okay, alright, cause I was like, we're it now?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Like what? But I guess y'all got some new cast members.
Speaker 3: Too, Yes, and you know what, they have really good
Speaker 3: personal stories. And so this is the first time that
Speaker 3: we've done two parts to a season. So we have
Speaker 3: twenty six episodes. Part A aired and now Part B
Speaker 3: is gonna air. I don't know when, but it is
Speaker 3: airing soon. I'm still actually doing some pick up interviews,
Speaker 3: but I think it should be airing soon.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for that, because I keep going back
Speaker 5: to see when the next episode is coming, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: y'all not just gonna stop like this, like there's no reunion,
Speaker 5: Like what's happening?
Speaker 1: But that explains it. That's what I thought. I was like,
Speaker 1: what happened to this during COVID, Like I don't know it?
Speaker 3: So that was that season was really crazy because we
Speaker 3: were like in these mansions because it was COVID, and
Speaker 3: then we had a cast member that went role that
Speaker 3: was recording people, which is basically a violation of your contract.
Speaker 3: So it was a lot of legal issues that we
Speaker 3: were dealing with, so they were just like, Okay, no,
Speaker 3: we can't do a reunion. It was a lot going on,
Speaker 3: but I am told we are doing a reunion. However,
Speaker 3: the second part of the season hasn't aired, so we
Speaker 3: can't do the reunion quite yet, but I guess we'll
Speaker 3: be doing it soon.
Speaker 4: Will you and Jilani be having a wedding spin off special?
Speaker 3: You know what I am. I am doing a special
Speaker 3: actually with my own show, but it's a documentary, not
Speaker 3: a lot of special.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: You know, I know about this said, this is why
Speaker 4: Ramona is here. So let's get right into that. Okay,
Speaker 4: perfect cause you know all right, so let's flash back
Speaker 4: to part of the reason why we're here today. I
Speaker 4: saw you post something on social media, right, somebody stole
Speaker 4: your range rover.
Speaker 3: You one of the first people that called me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, my ass.
Speaker 4: I seen her post. I was like, what the fact
Speaker 4: going on? Because she hadn't told me anything about it.
Speaker 4: I said her posted, and I know you weren't answering
Speaker 4: anyone's cause, but she didn't answer my call because I
Speaker 4: know your phone went crazy after that, so crazy. So
Speaker 4: what got you to the point where you were like, okay,
Speaker 4: I have to post about this.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I definitely debated posting about it. I obviously
Speaker 3: got my range Rover stolen, and so I went to
Speaker 3: the police. I fouled a police report and everything kind
Speaker 3: of started unfolding during COVID. So because of that, I
Speaker 3: think they were just very relaxed when my situation and
Speaker 3: it's not a violent crime, so it's not at the
Speaker 3: top of their list as a priority. And for me
Speaker 3: it had been well over sixty days. I wasn't getting
Speaker 3: any kind of response to detective I felt wasn't really
Speaker 3: on his job, and so I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: I have this platform and I need to use it
Speaker 3: for good now.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Anxious, nervous. I went back and forth with Mona, like
Speaker 3: what should I say, What should I post? What pictures
Speaker 3: am I going to use? You know, you just never
Speaker 3: know how people are going to respond to something like that,
Speaker 3: And it was a first time for me, and it
Speaker 3: was a time where I had to post and be
Speaker 3: vulnerable because if I was going to tell the story,
Speaker 3: I just had to just put it out there. And
Speaker 3: if we were going in, people were going.
Speaker 1: In, Like you didn't arrange overstolen.
Speaker 3: But I think that is a problem in society today.
Speaker 3: We victim blame and it's like I didn't do anything. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: I just was a trusting person, but I trust the
Speaker 3: wrong person.
Speaker 4: And the police also probably looked at it like, well,
Speaker 4: that was her boyfriend, so.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's considered like a love crime, and you
Speaker 3: know a lot of times there's just think, oh, well,
Speaker 3: this person is angry or they're bitter, whatever the case is,
Speaker 3: and that absolutely was not the case with me. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I have a whole car that is gone missing. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I just decided to use my platform and post about it,
Speaker 3: and I really put okay, contacts MYRNA police or contact Jamie,
Speaker 3: which is my attorney, because I wanted help with this situation.
Speaker 4: Why do you have your car in the first place.
Speaker 4: Let's break that down.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I feel like I'm talking a story
Speaker 3: a million times.
Speaker 4: But if people don't go because you know, people see
Speaker 4: the posts and they're like, oh, she said, how you
Speaker 4: just took her car?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay? So basically I was moving from California to
Speaker 3: Atlanta and I had an issue with my closing. Now
Speaker 3: in a process I was supposed to be closing. I
Speaker 3: want to say I was on a flight. Maybe it
Speaker 3: was like Wednesday. I was supposed to be closing that Friday.
Speaker 3: I had to go to Miami that Friday. I had
Speaker 3: two cars, and so I was thinking, Okay, after I closed,
Speaker 3: I'll be able to drive my car straight into my garage.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the case. And I found that as I
Speaker 3: was getting off the plane. And so he's somebody I
Speaker 3: knew in Atlanta. We have been sating, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Like, what am I going to do
Speaker 3: with my cars? Like I have to leave town because
Speaker 3: I had to go to Miami for work, and so
Speaker 3: I took my Ferrari to like the shop and then
Speaker 3: he was like, okay, well I can hold onto your
Speaker 3: range roomer.
Speaker 1: I ain't hold okay sorry.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I had been to his house.
Speaker 3: I had seen he had a four car garage. I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: I never in a million years would think that somebody
Speaker 3: was still my car. It's just you know, and then
Speaker 3: somebody I know, somebody at the time I trusted. It
Speaker 3: would be like if you were like, hey, I'm hand
Speaker 3: me to him. I know. I'm just saying I just
Speaker 3: like You're like, I go down the street to the CBS,
Speaker 3: you know, like, I wouldn't think anything of it. So
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, like, Okay, I'm going to Miami, I'm
Speaker 3: coming back. And I honestly, I wasn't stressed about the
Speaker 3: car because I was more so stressed about damn, what's
Speaker 3: going on with this housing right right, because I'm like
Speaker 3: the car whatever, Like now all my stuff is in
Speaker 3: transit from LA to a Lama.
Speaker 4: It was a stressful time, Yes, had a lot going on.
Speaker 4: You were like, I just need to put my car.
Speaker 3: Somewhere, right, That is how he got the car.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: In retrospect, You're like, I should have just parked at
Speaker 4: the airport exactly.
Speaker 3: It would have definitely been safer there.
Speaker 4: Now let's fast forward to how you know Mona then,
Speaker 4: because you guys met it was hard to find any
Speaker 4: information online. This man. You thought his name is Nick
Speaker 4: at the time, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought his name was Daniel Nichols.
Speaker 1: Okay, completely different, Okay, cletely.
Speaker 3: And he just went by Nick as a nickname. That's
Speaker 3: what I was told. So it wasn't until now my
Speaker 3: range drove stolen and I'm kind of going into like
Speaker 3: detective mode because I'm still kind of thinking, like, you
Speaker 3: know why he's gonna give me the car back, Like,
Speaker 3: but my Spidey senses are going off, right. So I
Speaker 3: knew his mom had passed away, but I didn't really
Speaker 3: know if his mother had passed away. But I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: his mom passed away. I remember him kind of telling
Speaker 3: me what his mother's name was, and I knew where
Speaker 3: he was from. He was from Michigan. I didn't know
Speaker 3: exactly what area, so I just start googling and I
Speaker 3: found his mother's obituary.
Speaker 1: M wow, so he telling her real name.
Speaker 3: So in the mother's obituary, that's when I found out
Speaker 3: his real name. I was like, who the hell is
Speaker 3: Aaron Pushy Nichols? Pushy pushy name? Yes, you heard them say.
Speaker 1: Pushy before, No, not until after.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess his family calls him that. I said,
Speaker 3: now is this so.
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 1: Yes, it turns out Daniel is the middle name, but
Speaker 1: you would.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, So then I put in Aaron Nichols. And
Speaker 3: then I see Mona's post from Lipstick Ali, which happened
Speaker 3: years prior. But then when I clicked on it, I
Speaker 3: started seeing other people post I guess under her post.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, the sad thing is I knew him a
Speaker 1: million years before Jen did, and at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: he portrayed himself as a totally different person, a different name,
Speaker 1: he had a different business. So it wasn't until like
Speaker 1: the end of our like five year relationship where I
Speaker 1: started to find out information about him. Once I, you know,
Speaker 1: got that information, I was like, okay, I'm done with him.
Speaker 1: Some months after, I was contacted by one of his
Speaker 1: baby mamas, who like explained to me how our situation
Speaker 1: kind of overlapped and some more information about him, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is crazy because you can
Speaker 1: go on the internet and find anything about anybody except
Speaker 1: for this man. So we took it upon ourselves to
Speaker 1: put some things out there. She put together like a
Speaker 1: website kind of like exposing him, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we put together to rip off report. And then I
Speaker 1: knew that Lipstick Alley kind of had like some traction
Speaker 1: is a gossip site, so I'm like, let me put
Speaker 1: some information on here. I did, like a don't datum
Speaker 1: girl type what I.
Speaker 6: Remember that everything.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: There was nothing about him, so I wanted.
Speaker 4: I did if you didn't. If a guy like did
Speaker 4: you dirty? You could post his picture and what he
Speaker 4: did to you on don't datumgirl dot com, but they've
Speaker 4: been took that down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So this was a way to kind of
Speaker 1: warn other people that he's not who he says he
Speaker 1: what did he do to you? Well, when I met him,
Speaker 1: he kind of portrayed himself as like, you know, a
Speaker 1: business but he you know, was into like luxury cars
Speaker 1: that you know, he said he was a retired athlete
Speaker 1: at the time. Lies I know. So I actually met
Speaker 1: him in LA and I was living in New York
Speaker 1: at the time. It was like a weird kind of whirlwind,
Speaker 1: like a quick twenty four hours, like we spent that
Speaker 1: whole time together and you know, my nose is open
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, who is this guy? And
Speaker 1: it was weird because when I first met him, I
Speaker 1: was in LA, just kind of walking because you know,
Speaker 1: we walk all over New York. I'm thinking, no biting
Speaker 1: do exactly in La, right, not in La. So I
Speaker 1: didn't know that this is like my first time out there.
Speaker 1: I'm walking along and it so happened. I kind of
Speaker 1: walked through a crowd because you know, New Yorkers were like,
Speaker 1: move out the way, and I moved. I like walked
Speaker 1: onto a red carpet, which is like the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: So people were like taking pictures on your work. Got
Speaker 1: out here right, I was like, like, it's right in
Speaker 1: front a man's theater like crazy. He comes up and
Speaker 1: he just grabs my hand and I'm like, who's this food?
Speaker 1: And it was like electricity, like all throughout my body.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until later I realized my whole every cell
Speaker 1: was like run, get the fuck away. But at the
Speaker 1: time that had never happened to me before. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, who is this guy? Like
Speaker 1: what does this mean? And then he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like he pulled me off the red carpet and we
Speaker 1: started talking and there was a guy with him who
Speaker 1: was like, He'll change your life all these little things exactly,
Speaker 1: all these little lies exactly, like you know, hindsight is
Speaker 1: twenty twenties got Lasik. So we wind up going into
Speaker 1: the movie that was premiering on that you know day,
Speaker 1: and he said he helped produce the movie lies again.
Speaker 1: So we're sitting in the movie. You know, there were
Speaker 1: other pseudo celebs there, you know, and he pretended as
Speaker 1: though he knew them, and you know, so we're sitting
Speaker 1: in a movie, but I couldn't even sit next to him,
Speaker 1: so it was like it just felt like so weird.
Speaker 1: So maybe twenty thirty minutes into the movie, he's like,
Speaker 1: you want to get out of here? I'm like sure.
Speaker 1: So we wind up leaving, and like I said, we
Speaker 1: spent that whole day together just kind of exploring, you know,
Speaker 1: la and you know, I met him walking. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until like after the movie we wind up getting into
Speaker 1: I think it was like a brand new BMW or
Speaker 1: Mercedes or some like expensive car or whatever, like Okay,
Speaker 1: so no, I wasn't even know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's a coincidence, Like you didn't know it, but you're like, wow,
Speaker 4: I really just because in a way you have to
Speaker 4: think like I did, kind of like look up what
Speaker 4: I feel electricity and he's this and he's that, and he.
Speaker 1: Kind of like telling people like, oh, I met her walking,
Speaker 1: like she wasn't even impressed by whatever money that I
Speaker 1: had because I met her walking. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: we spent that whole night together and it was just
Speaker 1: like amazing, you know, for you know, a guy that
Speaker 1: I just met and you know, I was letting night together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I spent the night whatever.
Speaker 4: Because I want to get more I know of what,
Speaker 4: like what he's like. So yeah, he really knocked you
Speaker 4: up your feet, like y'all spent the night together, like
Speaker 4: and that's not something you would normally do. You met
Speaker 4: Amalek and then he had all this shit happening. It
Speaker 4: was electricity. For you, that electricity was really like it away,
Speaker 4: but you misinterpreted it very much.
Speaker 1: So so for me, he is very charming. So did
Speaker 1: you feel that electricity too, Jennifer.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel electricity, but I felt, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: let her tell her story because I don't I don't
Speaker 3: want it, like okay, but I did not feel electricity, okay.
Speaker 1: But you know the next day I had like something
Speaker 1: to do and he was kind of like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go to Vegas. And I'm like, okay, I kind
Speaker 1: of have like a prior engagement, but you know, after
Speaker 1: I'm done with that, then you know, sure, let's go
Speaker 1: to Vegas, which was like very spontaneous at the time,
Speaker 1: I was super spontaneous, so it was that big of
Speaker 1: a deal, and then we were gonna take like his
Speaker 1: car and I guess just drive to Vegas after I
Speaker 1: was done with whatever it is that I had to
Speaker 1: do like in LA and I was like, okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh I left without you. And I was like,
Speaker 1: well damn, but exactly like okay, exactly like you know
Speaker 1: bait and switch, which he does a lot. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, whatever it is, what it is. I
Speaker 1: went back to New York and then he called like
Speaker 1: a lot all the time, text message all the time.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't even con like taken into consideration the
Speaker 1: time difference, Like at the time, I had like a
Speaker 1: regular ninety five whatever. He's calling me at like seven
Speaker 1: in the morning. You were very successful in what you
Speaker 1: did at that time, right, So, like you know, he
Speaker 1: would call it like seven in the morning, but that
Speaker 1: was like four o'clock West Coast time, you know, But
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it. He would call like midday,
Speaker 1: he would call before I would go to bed. So
Speaker 1: we're starting this little you know, right that part that part,
Speaker 1: So we're starting this weird little like relationship or whatever.
Speaker 1: But even before that, like I went back to New York.
Speaker 1: A week later, he's like, come back out to LA.
Speaker 1: I came back out to LA to meet him a house, No,
Speaker 1: I you please. Yeah, there's no big thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: take it to La is nothing. But once I got
Speaker 1: to La, it was kind of like we were like
Speaker 1: two shit. And then I like, he claimed he was
Speaker 1: in the studio and I didn't even understand why he's
Speaker 1: in the studio, but I was like, well, I'll entertain myself.
Speaker 1: I knew people in LA, so I hung out with them,
Speaker 1: and then he would go back to the hotel and
Speaker 1: be like she's not here. I'm like, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: was nested around and wait for your ass whatever. So
Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily work, and I kind of went back
Speaker 1: to New York like whatever, I'm not even tripping on him.
Speaker 1: And that's when he kind of went back and pursued
Speaker 1: and started calling all the time and really putting like
Speaker 1: an effort in it. Then became a thing after some
Speaker 1: months where he was just like, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: do a long distance relationship. You need to come move
Speaker 1: out here. He was living in Vegas at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, what was he doing
Speaker 1: in Vegas? Did he say everything he was doing, everything
Speaker 1: from he invested in real estate. He would, you know,
Speaker 1: throw a couple of parties, like concerts, not necessarily like
Speaker 1: you know, little parties. And then he said that like
Speaker 1: his vice was luxury cars. So what he would do
Speaker 1: is actually he would buy them just because he loved them,
Speaker 1: but then he would I kind of rent them out
Speaker 1: or least them out. So this is what he can
Speaker 1: make some money off. He was like before, right, so clean.
Speaker 1: So I think at the time I just didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions about what he did because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, whatever, if he makes money, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not tripping Like however he makes money, he doesn't
Speaker 1: really concern me. But at the time, you know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't incredibly happy being back in New York. So I
Speaker 1: was like, hmmm, I'll consider Vegas. I thought about it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'll
Speaker 1: try this relationship. And you know, he's not asking me
Speaker 1: to move to the middle of nowhere. He's asking me
Speaker 1: to move to Vegas, right, So I finally did, you know,
Speaker 1: move out there. I packed all my belongings into like
Speaker 1: the little car that I had and was going to
Speaker 1: drive out there now. His thinking was, Oh, you don't
Speaker 1: have to drive out there. I'll send someone to drive
Speaker 1: your car. And I'm like, my whole life is in
Speaker 1: his car. I don't know this person, right, He's like, well,
Speaker 1: why would I put someone you? Like? Why don't you drive?
Speaker 1: Come here and write? His whole thing was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want your drive across country by yourself, and this
Speaker 1: is somebody I trust. Of course, you know you're with me.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna whatever. So I'm like, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't like give them my car because I'm sure
Speaker 1: I would have been asked out without whatever. But I
Speaker 1: finally drove out to Vegas and we tried to make
Speaker 1: it work. And when I got there, he started like
Speaker 1: grooming me like he had Like I didn't meet like
Speaker 1: any of his friends. Remember I met his friends in LA.
Speaker 1: But he introduced me to his cousin. It was like
Speaker 1: this female who was kind of curvey, you know, who
Speaker 1: danced at the time. So she was he was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, did you ever think about dancing? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm no, at was that really his cousin? I have
Speaker 1: no idea, okay, So I'm like, no, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have a master's degree, like I can always get a job,
Speaker 1: Like what do I need to dance for? Like that
Speaker 1: would be like last you know, case scenario whatever, Like
Speaker 1: I don't need to do that. And initially I was
Speaker 1: kind of like but I didn't even think I could.
Speaker 1: Like I was like really thin and didn't really have
Speaker 1: like a lot of curves, and I'm like dancers usually,
Speaker 1: you know kind of you know, So I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this, and then he's like, no, you know,
Speaker 1: you're sexy. You can definitely do and I'm like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm thinking. And then he was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm bringing money to the table. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to bring money to the table too. So
Speaker 1: this was like his way of grooming me, you know,
Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna be working, hustling whatever it is
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I need to make sure that you're making
Speaker 1: some money too. Now I'm like, well, I can have
Speaker 1: like a regular job, and he's like no, because I
Speaker 1: kind of want your schedule to be as flexible as mine,
Speaker 1: where like if we needed to leave at whatever moment,
Speaker 1: we could write anything like that. But even then you're
Speaker 1: on like a set schedule, so you know, he claimed
Speaker 1: he was like really busy, so he had me around
Speaker 1: the cousin a lot. So we would go to lunch,
Speaker 1: we just you know, kind of meet up. And then
Speaker 1: there was an instance where she took me to like
Speaker 1: the dancer supply store and it was kind of like okay, right, exactly,
Speaker 1: so she's buying some of her stuff and was like
Speaker 1: trying this on exactly. So that part, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So everybody knows now, but at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I was incredibly naive. I was super green and I
Speaker 1: had no idea. I mean, I was grown I wasn't
Speaker 1: a baby, but I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Life, right, you know, this is your first time experiencing it.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know any dancing.
Speaker 4: In New York and then going to Vegas is completely
Speaker 4: because New York dancing is not like a big but
Speaker 4: like that exactly, Vegas is like everywhere, right.
Speaker 1: They run that city, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they keep the lights on, you know where it's here.
Speaker 1: It's not like that, you know. So at the time
Speaker 1: I was twenty seven, like I said, I was grown
Speaker 1: up and I graduated college.
Speaker 2: When you got there. How were they living? Did they
Speaker 2: have like a mansion.
Speaker 1: Or where did he live? Where did you I didn't
Speaker 1: when I first got there, I didn't see his house.
Speaker 1: I didn't see his house at all.
Speaker 2: So where were you saying?
Speaker 1: I stayed with a girlfriend. I stayed with a friend
Speaker 1: of a friend. And the thing that was interesting about
Speaker 1: that is the friend of a friend, our mutual friend,
Speaker 1: had told me she was in real estate. When I
Speaker 1: say at her house is when I realized she was
Speaker 1: a webcam girl. So it seemed like everybody kind of happen.
Speaker 1: It was a double life in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah she's living like was she living in like a
Speaker 2: really nice home?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: She had a nice little townhouse, you know, a little
Speaker 1: white range. You know, it worked, you know, because they
Speaker 1: go out of bed.
Speaker 2: You know, in Vegas, people who have money have crazy
Speaker 2: because it's importable exactly, know.
Speaker 1: What I mean? Especially then it was even.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a Vegas, is a Nevada is really affordable
Speaker 2: to live in?
Speaker 1: And what does your family say?
Speaker 4: Because that's what you tell your family, I'm moving to
Speaker 4: Vegas with this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were not at all happy about it. But
Speaker 1: like I said, at the time, I was a grown up.
Speaker 1: It's not like they could tell me you can't go,
Speaker 1: you know, like my dad at the time like stopped
Speaker 1: speaking to me like completely, so he knew. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he had that intuition like this, ain't it. You know?
Speaker 1: Did they meet him? No, they didn't meet him. That's
Speaker 1: part of it too. I never I haven't met this guy.
Speaker 1: But at the time, I only knew him like four
Speaker 1: or five months, you know, before I moved out there.
Speaker 1: So you did eventually start dancing. I did without like
Speaker 1: within like a month after I moved to Vegas. I
Speaker 1: s I went and got my little sheriff's card and
Speaker 1: business license and all the things that you need to
Speaker 1: do to start dancing. The same chick that the cousin
Speaker 1: took me to a club that you know, I guess
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable in because it wasn't like what I
Speaker 1: was used to, you know. I'm used to like bigger
Speaker 1: booty chicks, like you know, doing some chicks on a paul.
Speaker 1: These girls just walking around the paul. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I could do that, Like I could do that. I
Speaker 1: probably could, right, And I remember having to go in
Speaker 1: and audition and everything, and that was probably at the
Speaker 1: time the most degrading experience I've ever had, you know,
Speaker 1: having to be topless in front of people. I've never
Speaker 1: you know, I just met on a stage with a
Speaker 1: grease of poles, slippery and everything, but you know, he
Speaker 1: kind of kind of propped me up, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you know you could do this, You're so sexy, Like
Speaker 1: you could definitely make whatever money. My first night I
Speaker 1: made I think like three or four hundred dollars, and
Speaker 1: I listened when they tell you.
Speaker 3: These are the rules.
Speaker 1: Don't touch, don't do this, like however distance between the customer.
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised I made any money. But I feel
Speaker 1: like Vegas is more strict than other places. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: so you know going home with it like a white club,
Speaker 1: I'm want to ask you that too. There are black
Speaker 1: clubs in Vegas. Let's be honest, Like the clubs are
Speaker 1: like I don't know, no, and not only that, they
Speaker 1: have like a quota, so they're only allowed to have
Speaker 1: so many black girls in the club.
Speaker 3: What. Yeah, I don't know that very much.
Speaker 1: So because we're not their aesthetic. Like if there's play
Speaker 1: a hip hop like that, they really don't and you know,
Speaker 1: because guys will come in and you know, their demographic
Speaker 1: is different, so it's gonna be a certain type of guy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go in with his friends. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: want his friends to know that he might have a
Speaker 1: fetish like he might not necessarily, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: not our market. It's blonde, big boobs. It's like if
Speaker 1: they want anything exotic, it's like, you know, dark hair
Speaker 1: is exotic, Asian is exotic. Yep, but it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not black girls. It's just not. So you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily make money that first time out. I was
Speaker 1: super nervous and I wasn't you know, comfortable, But he
Speaker 1: hyped me up and he was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can do this. He made three four hundred perfect.
Speaker 1: I think you can make like five hundred a night.
Speaker 1: Five hundred is a good is a good number. Was
Speaker 1: he coming to the club, No, absolutely not. But if
Speaker 1: you think he wasn't even taking me, okay, wow, so
Speaker 1: it was a cousin taking me in it. When did
Speaker 1: you see him? I honestly would see him maybe once
Speaker 1: a week because he would have to come pick up money.
Speaker 4: Oh so he was taking the money that you was
Speaker 4: taking the money that I made and did he leave
Speaker 4: you with any of it?
Speaker 1: No? Oh, so how are you surviving? I don't think
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that, okay.
Speaker 1: And now the thing, yeah, the thing that that's weird
Speaker 1: because people that are not in a life wouldn't necessarily understand,
Speaker 1: like if you dance and you knew it whatever, Like
Speaker 1: for people that just don't know, they wouldn't know. But
Speaker 1: people that dance will probably be able to understand this.
Speaker 2: People that you know, like you said you were really green, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You know, even like you know, pimps and hustlers will
Speaker 1: know the difference. It's one thing if you're honest with
Speaker 1: what it is that you're doing. He wasn't right, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like I was kind of coerced into it, like
Speaker 1: I was misled into it, like you legit or pimping
Speaker 1: me out, and that's what it was. But every time
Speaker 1: I would confront him about it, He's like, if I
Speaker 1: was a pimp, I wouldn't pimp you. I would get
Speaker 1: somebody who would make more money. I would get whatever.
Speaker 1: So how did this last five years? I was numb
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. It's not like I numbed
Speaker 1: myself with like alcoholic drugs or whatever. I think I
Speaker 1: fought with him so much that I was like I
Speaker 1: had no more fight in me. I just kind of
Speaker 1: gave up. And how did it come to an end?
Speaker 1: I always knew like something was wrong. I always knew
Speaker 1: something was wrong. I kept confronting him about it, like again,
Speaker 1: even with his name he gave me. His name is
Speaker 1: Nick Clark. Initially he introduced himself as that. Now remember car, right,
Speaker 1: it does sound like ridiculous. Now, Remember I came out
Speaker 1: to Vegas in.
Speaker 3: My own car, right, I got like Superman.
Speaker 1: Right, I came out to Vegas in my own car,
Speaker 1: which is nothing compared to his like luxury cars. So
Speaker 1: he would talk about, you know what, We're gonna put
Speaker 1: you into something you know a little better than this.
Speaker 1: We wanna put you on. What kind of car do
Speaker 1: you like? Let's go look at cars like you.
Speaker 5: Know, so.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Now I'm making more than enough money at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm making like five hundred dollars a night. I can
Speaker 1: buy my own car.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It was so his whole thing, I know exactly. So
Speaker 1: his whole thing was like, let's switch you out of
Speaker 1: this car. And I'm like, well, I'm still making payments
Speaker 1: on this car, have a note on this car. And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, what we'll do is we'll just stop
Speaker 1: piking payments. We'll go ahead and turn it into this
Speaker 1: dealership and then we'll move on to like the next thing. Now,
Speaker 1: I had no idea how that was going to affect
Speaker 1: my credit and my dad was like a code signer
Speaker 1: on my car ship, how that was going to affect
Speaker 1: my relationship with my dad? All of this bullshit. So
Speaker 1: I'm trusting this guy that you know, I'm sleep away
Speaker 1: or all whatever, you know. And I'm like, okay, He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, give me the car and then we'll put
Speaker 1: you in something else. So he takes my car and
Speaker 1: never see it again. No one sees it again.
Speaker 4: And he didn't and did and you didn't get another
Speaker 4: No I did.
Speaker 1: He had me in multiple cars, like I was in
Speaker 1: a different car like every month, if not every couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and it could be everything my car.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: The ones that he put me in. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: about this because I paid attention all the cars that
Speaker 1: he put me in the minute I would get a
Speaker 1: car looking in the glove compartment, I'll be like, who car,
Speaker 1: Who's his car? Like no, I'd be like, who's this
Speaker 1: car registered? None of them ever had his name on them,
Speaker 1: none of them. And they would say these are his cars,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, who are these people? It would
Speaker 1: be like women, right, and I'd be like, well, who
Speaker 1: is this person? And then I would find like you know,
Speaker 1: other things in the car wouldn't be brand new, but
Speaker 1: it would have a paper tag on it, so it
Speaker 1: would be like mail or something in the car.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: At the time when I first moved to Vegas, remember
Speaker 1: saying with like a friend of a friend. He then
Speaker 1: had me like an extending stay, like Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep you in one of these little like extended to
Speaker 1: stay hotels until we can put you into like something
Speaker 1: more permanent and put you in an apartment or whatever.
Speaker 1: One of the apartments he wound up putting me in
Speaker 1: His sister lived around the corner. I don't know who
Speaker 1: this woman was either, but like.
Speaker 7: All everybody, all of these people, that's what I'm thinking,
Speaker 7: were you, yah, I'm thinking that these other women whose
Speaker 7: names were on these cars were other us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. So what happened was we had
Speaker 1: he when I first got there, you know, his whole
Speaker 1: thing was like, you know, I was part of a
Speaker 1: credit union here in New York and they didn't have
Speaker 1: a bank in Vegas. So he's like, well, that's fine,
Speaker 1: just take all your money out. We'll put it in
Speaker 1: a bank here. I know. So it's his bank, it's
Speaker 1: his bank, it's whatever. And he basically was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know someone who works at this particular bank will
Speaker 1: set you up on an account here and put my
Speaker 1: money in this account. He gives me like a bank card.
Speaker 1: He said, this is your address. It was like a
Speaker 1: post office box or whatever. You'll get all the statements here.
Speaker 1: I get the bank card, I go to ATM. I
Speaker 1: couldn't withdraw any money, and I have my money in it.
Speaker 1: Listen is horrible. I'm surprised, honestly sometimes that I'm here, because,
Speaker 1: like one, I could have killed him. I could have
Speaker 1: killed myself.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put it past Listen. I wouldn't put anything
Speaker 4: past him.
Speaker 1: I definitely would have put up a fight, okay, because throughout.
Speaker 4: Our relationship were so vulnerable at that time, like whatever
Speaker 4: was going on with you personally that it feel like
Speaker 4: you wanted this to be something that it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in love before, and I remember
Speaker 1: what that was like, so I wanted to do whatever
Speaker 1: to kind of get you had to be in love
Speaker 1: with him. You did, for it wasn't the same type
Speaker 1: of love that I had prior to that. So electricity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to grow up Jim.
Speaker 4: Prior to him taking your range rover, did he try
Speaker 4: to get you to do things that felt weird that Like,
Speaker 4: was he trying to get you to do anything like
Speaker 4: invest in something or event him money.
Speaker 3: Prior to him taken my range way, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of a time like no, absolutely, this was prior
Speaker 3: to because I wouldn't have give him money after that.
Speaker 3: So prior to him taken my range rover, we because
Speaker 3: he claims to be a real estate broker and not
Speaker 3: a real estate program I'm sorry, investor and a car broker,
Speaker 3: so I have been talking to him about real estate
Speaker 3: because it was something that I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you know, I know what's lucrative. I would, you know,
Speaker 3: get into it, but I just don't know enough and
Speaker 3: I don't have enough time to like manage all of
Speaker 3: these things. And he was like oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a great it's a great thing to do and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And he was like telling me about
Speaker 3: some of his investments, which we're all bullshit, right, So
Speaker 3: he was like, well, yeah, So no, we had that conversation,
Speaker 3: and I would say like probably like a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks later, he was like, hey, I found this great
Speaker 3: opportunity blah blah blah. I guess it was like flipping
Speaker 3: a house whatever whatever. And for me, I was like okay,
Speaker 3: I really wasn't trying to get into like the logistics.
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, what's the what's the end result?
Speaker 3: Like what am I gonna make here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So he was like, oh yeah, you'll like triple your
Speaker 3: money or whatever it was. He said that sounded appealing
Speaker 3: to me, and I was like okay, cool, yeah, like
Speaker 3: I'll do it. And so the first one he was
Speaker 3: like okay, it's like twenty five thousand or something like that,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, well, if I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: a hundred thousand, I'm like that sounds like a win
Speaker 3: to me. You know, did that and then he was
Speaker 3: like okay, well, you know it's gonna take a couple months,
Speaker 3: which I assumed you know.
Speaker 1: You gave him twenty five thousand.
Speaker 3: I gave him forty thousand, okay, and this was before
Speaker 3: he took my range roverer so but again, but it
Speaker 3: was you know, this is a good deal. It's a
Speaker 3: real estate and this No.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a good deal, but you didn't get
Speaker 2: anything back on it.
Speaker 3: No, I'm in a deficit. Let's be clear. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: out of forty thousand and a rain drover girl.
Speaker 4: Yes, sheesh, girl, that that really But it's hard because
Speaker 4: you trusted him, Yes, you know you felt like he
Speaker 4: was this investor. You feel like, Okay, I want to
Speaker 4: take a risk and have my money make some money.
Speaker 4: Understand that. Did you have like an attorney or any
Speaker 4: type of paperwork?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: And so I have to say this right because I
Speaker 3: know people kind of don't really understand how this happens.
Speaker 3: But if you're in a relationship with someone, what you're
Speaker 3: going to be is trusting, right, And so I think
Speaker 3: for me, I've never dealt with someone of this nature.
Speaker 1: And it's never happened to you before.
Speaker 3: No, never happened to me before. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just always kind of thought that people were genuine
Speaker 3: like me.
Speaker 2: No, to be honest, if it's a guy and I'm
Speaker 2: dating him and I trust him, I wouldn't even ask
Speaker 2: him for.
Speaker 1: No paperwork me.
Speaker 3: Now after having this conversation important, even with him not
Speaker 3: telling me his real name, with him not telling me
Speaker 3: his real name, how would I know that? Like, you
Speaker 3: don't meet someone, start dating and be like, let me
Speaker 3: see your life in right or you know they pay
Speaker 3: for a bill.
Speaker 1: Believe that's credit card or for seed or.
Speaker 3: Looking at their credit card. I just because I want
Speaker 3: to want someone to do it to me, right.
Speaker 4: But somebody, but you're different. People could google you know
Speaker 4: you're they know that's how you are. Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: feel like and I do. I know people say, oh
Speaker 4: meet somebody, see who they are, but I do feel
Speaker 4: like it is important to like google people, you know,
Speaker 4: just in Jenner just putting that out. We're talking about
Speaker 4: these things for anybody listening. You know, when you are
Speaker 4: dating somebody, and I always do feel like I don't care,
Speaker 4: like because I've done business deals with people that have
Speaker 4: gone left as not nobody I've dated, but like any
Speaker 4: type of deal can go left, and so if somebody
Speaker 4: cares about you and you're in a relationship and you
Speaker 4: want to do a deal together.
Speaker 1: The best thing to do contracts and paperwork.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is to make sure but that probably wouldn't matter
Speaker 4: with him anyway. Honestly, like as somebody who as a
Speaker 4: kind of artist, even if you have paper.
Speaker 3: What I tell people, you also have to remember that
Speaker 3: this man is a con artist. And not only is
Speaker 3: he a con artist, but he's been doing this for decades.
Speaker 3: So like Angela, you've been on the radio for how long?
Speaker 1: Eighteen years?
Speaker 3: Okay, so almost two decades, right, So I would like
Speaker 3: to say she's almost an expert in what she does.
Speaker 3: Obviously she's amazing. She's got her own shop, like you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So when you do something for
Speaker 3: an extended almost two decades, you're damn near.
Speaker 1: Expert's an expert artist.
Speaker 3: So he studies his craft just like an actor. They
Speaker 3: study their craft, they win Emmy's. So this man knows
Speaker 3: what vulnerabilities and how to play on people's emotions.
Speaker 4: Because a whole lot of people started sending messages once
Speaker 4: you put your story out there, people were reaching out
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, II, and so I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 3: So I didn't feel electricity because I want a moment
Speaker 3: to finish her story. But when I met him, I
Speaker 3: met him at the same reaches in Atlanta. I was
Speaker 3: there for Tanisha's birthday.
Speaker 1: I was there for the To's wedding.
Speaker 5: And so for those who don't know, the Saint Regis
Speaker 5: is one of the if not the best hotel in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, absolutely, yeah, he's gonna put himself in those circles.
Speaker 1: He's going.
Speaker 4: It's like the Saint Regis, the waldor the Thompson, that's
Speaker 4: the new work.
Speaker 3: So I'm at the bar. We're at the bar, We're
Speaker 3: having drinks.
Speaker 1: It's a little I'm not.
Speaker 3: Really paying attention. I'm on my phone. He walks up,
Speaker 3: he tells the bartender or get them what they want,
Speaker 3: whatever drinks they want. So it kind of intrigued me
Speaker 3: because I'm not used to men just coming up and
Speaker 3: saying they'll pay for whatever without wanting a conversation game
Speaker 3: like they always want to talk about something or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, and then he left, they
Speaker 3: can move.
Speaker 4: Wow, what an impression. Get whatever you want. I'm not
Speaker 4: even gonna rash is right.
Speaker 3: So then when he is back, You're like, wait, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it's tall, right, he's handsome.
Speaker 3: I did not take that from him. He's definitely like
Speaker 3: he's handsome. He's now I think.
Speaker 1: He's just disgusting.
Speaker 3: But you know, when you first look at him, you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: both men and like guy, you know, definitely, So I was.
Speaker 3: I was intrigued. And when he came back like later on,
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, you know, are y'all good? Whatever? Whatever?
Speaker 3: So Tania goes and embarrass me and she's like she
Speaker 3: pulls out like Instagram. She's like, you know who she is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, you knew whatever another he does,
Speaker 1: and I've learned this from around him. You treat you
Speaker 1: treat he's somebody like nobody and nobody like there's somebody okay,
Speaker 1: So again that's what he does. It was game.
Speaker 4: He knew who you were, but you don't even know me,
Speaker 4: you know, Okay, No, he's just think I'm flying.
Speaker 3: This was lying, but I hate when people do that
Speaker 3: because I'm not that person at all, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So anyway, we exchanged numbers and he started texting.
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, you know, like I got a
Speaker 3: table across the street, a regent whatever. But she didn't
Speaker 3: want to go there. It was her birthday and I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like we're not going to end up
Speaker 3: coming whatever. So the next day he was like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you want to go to lunch? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in Atlanta, I'm single, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: let me go to lunch. So we went to Houston's
Speaker 3: and we sat at Houston's at the bar for hours
Speaker 3: and just like talked.
Speaker 1: That's cute. You had dis finished it.
Speaker 3: Right, and we were just talking talking. But what I
Speaker 3: realized is that he was just trying to get information
Speaker 3: about me, right, because I love to talk. I think
Speaker 3: face to face communication, like you'll definitely win me over.
Speaker 4: And you know what, we love when men ask us
Speaker 4: questions and are interested.
Speaker 3: You know, really, again, I have to remind you guys,
Speaker 3: he's been doing this for two decades. He studies his crap,
Speaker 3: he knows what to do, he knows how more women
Speaker 3: and men.
Speaker 1: So she said it.
Speaker 4: I mean that's when he really would back down when
Speaker 4: you start bringing at us.
Speaker 3: This was this was a trigger for me. So my
Speaker 3: ex husband was a cancer. My boyfriends after him have
Speaker 3: been a cancer.
Speaker 1: One is Eric who's on the farm right now.
Speaker 3: You know what? And another one that's in jail.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, Tim Norman. Can you cancer too? Yes,
Speaker 1: you might want to stay. My friend is a cancer.
Speaker 1: I'm scared.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, so.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I said to myself, cancers are really attracted to me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Wow, this is going so amazing.
Speaker 3: I need to ask him his birthday because if he
Speaker 3: says he's a cancer, I'm running out of here, right.
Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, so when's your birthday? And
Speaker 3: he said December twenty eighth. He's like and I'm like,
Speaker 3: like me, I'm CROs and I got goosebumps and I
Speaker 3: was like, and he's like, what's wrong? And I didn't
Speaker 3: really know how to take it or what to read
Speaker 3: into it or like. It just was very odd because
Speaker 3: I had never met anyone with that birthday and that
Speaker 3: was the day that my mother passed away. And so
Speaker 3: when I said that, I think Antenna's went off for
Speaker 3: him because he knew, okay, like how to and for me,
Speaker 3: you can't put an expiration on grief. And so my
Speaker 3: mom and I were very close to Angela knows this,
Speaker 3: and so I think I'm always looking for a connection
Speaker 3: to my mother. And so when he said it, I
Speaker 3: didn't know, Like I was like, is it too good
Speaker 3: to be true? Like I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: But we're sitting here, we're having this conversation. It have
Speaker 3: been hours, it was. It just was effortless, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, maybe this is.
Speaker 1: Something that's happened to be Yeah, and he really played.
Speaker 3: Into because one I'm a hopeless romantic and two I'm
Speaker 3: looking for that connection to my mother.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Wow, look girl, Sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean a no, It's fine.
Speaker 3: I almost felt myself tearing.
Speaker 4: I'm but you know, I also look at it like this,
Speaker 4: even with this experience, you might have been the person
Speaker 4: you ladies to help a lot of other people, because
Speaker 4: this is something I think about it. Mona like years
Speaker 4: ago posted about this and probably thought nothing was ever
Speaker 4: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who came forward.
Speaker 4: That's like I'm never gonna see justice from this person,
Speaker 4: and that's something that will like tear at you forever.
Speaker 1: But now this happened to you.
Speaker 4: Somebody who has a platform, somebody who was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is what we're about to do. We're gonna do
Speaker 4: a whole documentary and give everyone a chance to speak
Speaker 4: their peace and also try to make sure because you
Speaker 4: did file charges against him, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to the police station. I did
Speaker 3: the police support, but it's not up to me. It's
Speaker 3: what they investigate, what they find to file charges. So
Speaker 3: you know it is it's very difficult for victims of
Speaker 3: love fraud crimes because one you're already devastated, you're emotionally
Speaker 3: drained and financially drained, and so it takes a lot
Speaker 3: and it's embarrassing.
Speaker 4: It's definitely embarrassed, right, Like I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people will tell you it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of people will take their l
Speaker 3: inside with car and keep it moving. But the thing is,
Speaker 3: if you do that, you give them power because then
Speaker 3: they can go do it to the next person.
Speaker 4: But it's also really hard to get justice even if
Speaker 4: you speak out absolutely. I mean, like I definitely when
Speaker 4: I was younger, had an incident where I was trying
Speaker 4: to get this car and my brother hooked me up
Speaker 4: at this guy. I gave him eight thousand dollars cash
Speaker 4: because he said he was a car dealer and.
Speaker 1: Never never saw your money. Yeah, car and I tried to.
Speaker 4: Do I talked to the DA, the assistant DA contacted me.
Speaker 4: But it's really hard when things like this happened to
Speaker 4: even get justice.
Speaker 3: No, it is, and it takes it's emotionally draining, and
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of time, and you really have
Speaker 3: to be relentless because they're like whatever, it's just another case,
Speaker 3: Like they don't care. They have a million cases. And
Speaker 3: again it's not.
Speaker 1: Like it's not a vialent somebody.
Speaker 3: It's not a violent crime, so it's not at the
Speaker 3: top of their list.
Speaker 4: Like you have to really hire a private investigator to
Speaker 4: try to get anything. And then what sex is that
Speaker 4: he's still in Atlanta and still doing it.
Speaker 1: He's still doing it and still doing that. You guys
Speaker 1: got a lot of people to come or were in
Speaker 1: to their studients.
Speaker 3: Oh my DMS girl.
Speaker 1: And people are still juicy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is years in the making, like this
Speaker 5: you this was almost two years ago that you sent
Speaker 5: out this message and made people wear and people are
Speaker 5: still two years later coming forward telling their stories.
Speaker 4: And what really made him back down that day when
Speaker 4: all this stuff was because then he posted some like
Speaker 4: fake messages, you know, like from him and Jennifer talking
Speaker 4: about basketball wise, and she was like going in on it,
Speaker 4: but it was like very clearly fake cause I'm like,
Speaker 4: why would he be gossiping with you and your day?
Speaker 3: And I don't even do that with guys that I'm
Speaker 3: d like.
Speaker 1: I think he did that. Remember, he's not alone in this,
Speaker 1: the same way he had the cousin and the sister
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're they're supporting him. Know his multiple baby
Speaker 1: mamies are involved.
Speaker 4: But what I will say what made him back down
Speaker 4: was when the guys that he step with.
Speaker 3: When I started posting them dms that the gay men
Speaker 3: were hitting me like, oh yeah, I met him on Jacked.
Speaker 3: We were at this address in Jonesborough. I have pictures
Speaker 3: of him naked in bed and I was posting all
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's when.
Speaker 3: Right, that's when his attorney contacted Jamie be like okay,
Speaker 3: he'll take this down if she because I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you want to play, like, let's go because my thing
Speaker 3: is like at that time I had put the post up.
Speaker 3: We had just the breakfast club, which I had got
Speaker 3: threatened prior. He had reached out to Mona prior trying
Speaker 3: to pay her off, not to do the breakfast club.
Speaker 1: How much for you? Not enough? It's never enough unless
Speaker 1: he can pay me. It's an amount of money that
Speaker 1: I like a put up for those It's nothing. It's
Speaker 1: not billion time owe you. It's nothing. It's not even
Speaker 1: enough money to we So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was getting threats, but prior to that,
Speaker 3: I had got I had got threats. He had spoofed
Speaker 3: the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office and like called me
Speaker 3: and tried to like.
Speaker 1: I was concerned about you at that time.
Speaker 4: I would say, Jennifer, you can't be moving around by yourself,
Speaker 4: like and.
Speaker 3: I'm so much a loner, but I have to say
Speaker 3: this right and I'm gonna stay it on lip service
Speaker 3: and I'm say this on VH one, and I'm safe
Speaker 3: for whoever. Like, if I get as much as a
Speaker 3: flat tire, there's going to be a problem because we
Speaker 3: know who did it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm not really concerned. I do have to
Speaker 3: be a little more cautious about moving around, and especially
Speaker 3: I think after this documentary comes out, I might have
Speaker 3: to hire security. And I'm okay with that, but if
Speaker 3: anybody lays a finger on me, you know who did it?
Speaker 4: Well, what about this upcoming court date that you have?
Speaker 4: How are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3: So I have not seen him in forever, and I
Speaker 3: just feel like he feels like he's invincible. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to show up to court.
Speaker 3: It's an arrayment. So I believe that you have to
Speaker 3: be there. But I don't know that I have much
Speaker 3: faith in the court system because you have to think,
Speaker 3: he's been arrested sixty six times, probably way more.
Speaker 1: Than this is six times.
Speaker 3: It's probably closer to like eighty now because the way
Speaker 3: this man.
Speaker 4: Has ripped off his own family members, you know, you
Speaker 4: have to be a special kind of yes.
Speaker 2: So for what kind of demings did he get arrested for?
Speaker 1: For all these times? It can be anything. It could
Speaker 1: be you know, no proof of insurance. It could be
Speaker 1: fictitious tag. Remember how I told you, Oh, Vega, I
Speaker 1: was like paper tag. It could be DUI. It could
Speaker 1: be anything, be any and everything.
Speaker 3: So he's used to being arrested. I'm sure he's used
Speaker 3: to going to court and what has come of it
Speaker 3: because he's still on the street scamming people. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't really know that anything is going to happen
Speaker 3: with court, but I know that I'm gonna be relentless.
Speaker 3: I'm going to hope for the best. But this is
Speaker 3: why I'm doing the documentary because I can't. I can't
Speaker 3: depend on the justice system. What I can depends on
Speaker 3: is myself and bringing awareness to society and a community
Speaker 3: and women and men and letting them know that this
Speaker 3: man is out here scamming you. And for me, I
Speaker 3: just want to do this to just have an impact
Speaker 3: and absolutely good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's that I think that the documentary, we
Speaker 4: should put his face on billboards.
Speaker 1: Yep, scale because he keeps changing his name, so you
Speaker 1: can google his name. But if he's going to come
Speaker 1: up with something.
Speaker 4: And then behind it, this is behind it and his
Speaker 4: picture with all the name scam likely right.
Speaker 3: So for me, I have to do this because I said,
Speaker 3: if it's the last thing I do before I leave
Speaker 3: this earth, I'm going to let people know that this
Speaker 3: man is a menace to society.
Speaker 4: I'm what would you say, do you want to run
Speaker 4: into him personally? Like, would you be nervous? What do
Speaker 4: you think that would be?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I think probably initially I would be nervous, but I do.
Speaker 3: I would actually love to have a conversation with him,
Speaker 3: and I would love to ask him like what is
Speaker 3: your psyche? How did you how did you scam your
Speaker 3: own father? How do you sleep at night?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, like what, I.
Speaker 4: Would love to help you find him, because you know,
Speaker 4: I'll come to Atlanta and we will.
Speaker 1: You know where he lives.
Speaker 3: Time, Yes, he still lives there from what I understand.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm fine with that. You know how kind of Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I'm there all the time. Well, I'll make a trip.
Speaker 4: Let's go find he probably still does he still go
Speaker 4: to the Saint Regis.
Speaker 3: Probably yet, you know what, somebody told me she saw
Speaker 3: him at the Saint Regis. And I know. So here's
Speaker 3: the thing. When I'm out of town, when I'm in
Speaker 3: La working, that's when he comes out a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And so a friend of mine is a bartender at
Speaker 3: the Garden Room, which is in the same serious, and
Speaker 3: he's been spotted there several times. But I'm in LA.
Speaker 1: He knows, got to start posting when you're not there. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm right.
Speaker 3: But people that have seen him out in Atlanta too,
Speaker 3: they're like, he's always like looking real, sketchy, like ducked
Speaker 3: off in a corner.
Speaker 1: So we'll find him.
Speaker 5: He got one, you know, he want to see.
Speaker 1: He needs to be under probably scared you.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 1: He's still out there. He's still like hides the plain sight.
Speaker 1: Because again, there are people he's that are coming forward now,
Speaker 1: even after breakfast club, even after all of this, that
Speaker 1: are like, oh he explained it away as though this
Speaker 1: is just a bitter ex Like, oh, there's something different.
Speaker 1: It's a misunderstanding, and he's able to charm them right
Speaker 1: out of some money.
Speaker 3: He's famous for that. Oh, she's just bitter. She wants
Speaker 3: to be with me, Like not in a million years.
Speaker 3: We're over it, Like no, you know what, as a
Speaker 3: real question, listen, I know a lot of people that
Speaker 3: wann't run.
Speaker 1: Into him, run over him, run over him.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now I gotta ask you this, was there ever
Speaker 4: any for both of you, ladies, indication to you that
Speaker 4: he liked men as well?
Speaker 1: When I was with him, I didn't get that. But after,
Speaker 1: you know, we finally ended, and I told you that,
Speaker 1: Baby Mama contacted me when we were kind of comparing notes.
Speaker 1: She talked about some things that they would do intimately
Speaker 1: that he and I never did. She was strapping up,
Speaker 1: she was strapping up, pegging all of that. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I knew nothing about pegging. I'm not the strap. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about that. So you know she had
Speaker 1: done that with him. That was not my thing. So
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, So when the man came forward,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, all right, I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: at all because you already knew that. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: he did like.
Speaker 4: He never put a finger in his butt or anything,
Speaker 4: or he never was like we like.
Speaker 1: Our next he scoot the gucca. He never scow up.
Speaker 1: You never was down there. He was like hello, hella, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know no, and listen. When I learned of that,
Speaker 3: I was just mortified because you think, like, damn, I've
Speaker 3: been like into men with this man and he is
Speaker 3: clearly So yeah.
Speaker 5: I have this theory and men hate when I say it,
Speaker 5: but I really feel like there's so many men out
Speaker 5: here that are down load bisexual and just are afraid
Speaker 5: to express themselves, like you know, and come out if
Speaker 5: women are men? Are you saying exactly? I feel like
Speaker 5: there's so many women like myself who was bisexual openly,
Speaker 5: and we can't beat only ones like it's.
Speaker 1: A lot of them.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not pointing a finger or saying
Speaker 5: that most of them, but there are there are way
Speaker 5: more men that are touching on their homeboys than we
Speaker 5: know because Guy's experiment too. Yeah, yeah, I actually and
Speaker 5: I have my gay friends that tell me that they
Speaker 5: only date street men, which doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I have a lot of gay friends that'd
Speaker 5: be like I only one if they straight. I only
Speaker 5: want them if they got a baby, mamre wife like
Speaker 5: other gay men.
Speaker 1: The one thing that did to Night when we first
Speaker 1: started this is the first guy we came across because
Speaker 1: but not only that, he just wasn't like esthetically pleasing,
Speaker 1: like it'd be one thing if he's a cute gay guy.
Speaker 4: He's not even about the money.
Speaker 1: I know that it's not. We don't care.
Speaker 6: If it's fan camera, I don't care, You don't care,
Speaker 6: imagin woman, blood, cry, gender, it doesn't matter. All he
Speaker 6: sees is Yes, I know you're frustrated with the whole
Speaker 6: legal process, but since you fold the police support has
Speaker 6: even arrested.
Speaker 3: Yes, he has been arrested. They finally charged him with
Speaker 3: theft by deception and he got off on bond because
Speaker 3: it's COVID and he does have a court date. So
Speaker 3: his first court date is he's going to be a rain.
Speaker 3: And honestly, these cases they took, while it's not like
Speaker 3: it's going to happen overnight, it's going to be right.
Speaker 3: I have nothing but time for me. I feel like
Speaker 3: I've waited this long, So however long it takes, I'm
Speaker 3: willing to wait out the process.
Speaker 1: Could he potentially get jail time.
Speaker 3: When you steal someone's card, that is a felony, and yes,
Speaker 3: that is one of the penalties.
Speaker 1: I would love to go to court with you.
Speaker 4: I would love to like ride around Atlanta, go to
Speaker 4: his places, find him, go to court, see what it's
Speaker 4: like in court, be there to support you.
Speaker 3: Please. I need all the support I can get. I
Speaker 3: was just telling, well, not like I'm so happy to
Speaker 3: have her, because I feel like I'm not in this
Speaker 3: by myself. She knows what it's like. And I'm so
Speaker 3: grateful for the people that have been brave enough to
Speaker 3: come forward to you know, tell their story, because it's
Speaker 3: not an easy thing. And then you put a camera
Speaker 3: in somebody's space. It's it's already a difficult subject to
Speaker 3: talk about. And you know, for Mona, this happened to
Speaker 3: her years ago, and she kind of has to relive
Speaker 3: everything over and over again. So I'm grateful and I
Speaker 3: need as many soldiers as I can get. So for me,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to stop because I.
Speaker 4: Think he wants to intimidate you guys. That's why I
Speaker 4: think it's dope to be able to go look for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so wants to intimidate. But I think at
Speaker 3: this point he knows that I'm not scared of you.
Speaker 3: I have already exposed you. I'm going to continue to
Speaker 3: expose you. And I would love to run into him.
Speaker 3: I would love to run into him with cameras, no cameras.
Speaker 3: I just want to know, what the hell is your psyche?
Speaker 3: Like how could you even sleep at night? How could
Speaker 3: you do this to your father? Like let alone me,
Speaker 3: Like that's cool. But I feel like I am the
Speaker 3: spokesperson at this point for everybody that he's done this too, right,
Speaker 3: and people have not been able to cover from the
Speaker 3: things that he's done to them. There is long life
Speaker 3: lasting effect.
Speaker 1: I know there's people who have ruined their credit for him.
Speaker 4: Yes, have overextended themselves, who've separated from depression, who've been suicidal.
Speaker 3: It's honestly, it's horrible. Like Maria, this happened to her
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four and she lost her home.
Speaker 3: She had two kids, So it's like it's not only
Speaker 3: am I like doing it for Maria, but it's for
Speaker 3: her kids. You know, you you just like taking people's lives.
Speaker 4: And he has a daughter that I think her mom contacts.
Speaker 3: Dallas, right, and the mother contacted.
Speaker 1: You as well. Amazing young scumpet.
Speaker 3: And Dallas is a beautiful spirit. She is super talented.
Speaker 3: Was on America's Got Talent. I think when she was
Speaker 3: on America's Got Talent, he reached out to her because
Speaker 3: now he's, oh I com manage you, Yeah, like oh
Speaker 3: I could be a manager. But had seen her probably
Speaker 3: one other time prior to that.
Speaker 1: In her whole life, and this is her dad.
Speaker 4: Right, and she would reach out and he would just yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: he's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1: We got to find him.
Speaker 4: I propose that we go down there and try to
Speaker 4: run upon him. You know, I'm getting you know, we
Speaker 4: got our phones down I'm right now, I can go.
Speaker 1: I'll just need that.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, because he does have to be exposed,
Speaker 3: because the thing about it is that if we're quiet
Speaker 3: about this, he can continue to do this to other people.
Speaker 3: And my whole point in doing this is to help
Speaker 3: somebody and to save their bank account and their livelihood
Speaker 3: because he's destroying people's lives.
Speaker 4: I think this documentary is going to do a lot too, honestly,
Speaker 4: Like I know, the process is not easy, and like
Speaker 4: you said, you're going to be repeating these stories, both
Speaker 4: of you, you know, over and over and over and
Speaker 4: over and over again for people to hear it and
Speaker 4: understand it. Because it is two people will see the
Speaker 4: headline and be like, that's stupid, how did they fall
Speaker 4: for that or whatever. I don't believe them.
Speaker 1: They need to understand we're not the only people ye
Speaker 1: at all, because I know, just after you know, you
Speaker 1: made your posts, there were other women that came forward
Speaker 1: that have the exact same story as mine. They were
Speaker 1: removed from their families. He had them out in Vegas,
Speaker 1: he had them dancing, some of them the same time
Speaker 1: I did, and he was taking all of their money,
Speaker 1: you know. And these are women who didn't have that
Speaker 1: danger pass that were just as green as I was,
Speaker 1: and they're afraid to come forward. Some of them even
Speaker 1: had children with him.
Speaker 4: How did you recover with your family, because that's important too,
Speaker 4: Like you said, it destroyed certain relationships and with your father, right.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, you know, I just I wasn't. Like,
Speaker 1: this is forcing me to be transparent, This is forcing
Speaker 1: me to tell my story because I didn't. They didn't know,
Speaker 1: and they probably won't necessarily know until it's aired. But
Speaker 1: what I did prepare them for with the Breakfast Club
Speaker 1: interview is that people are going to say some things
Speaker 1: about me, and I just want you to be prepared
Speaker 1: for that. And they were like, listen, we got your back,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, that's great. So I think that was
Speaker 1: the battery. I needed him in my bag, honestly, right.
Speaker 3: Right, and like I always saw her, I'm super appreciative
Speaker 3: of her, and just because she's been there with me,
Speaker 3: Like riding and this, it gets dark and it gets
Speaker 3: lonely and you want to give up. And I've had
Speaker 3: some of the victims, you know, send me messages and
Speaker 3: DM and they're like, Jennifer, please don't give up. Keep
Speaker 3: your foot on his neck, and that keeps me going
Speaker 3: and then you know, having conversations with her because it
Speaker 3: gets frustrating and you get discouraged because it's like you're
Speaker 3: screaming is from the mountaintops and he's been arrested, and
Speaker 3: you know certain things have happened where you should It's
Speaker 3: like it's clearly laid out for you, Like what can't
Speaker 3: you see? Why is this man so walking around? So
Speaker 3: I think the problem is in the black community. This
Speaker 3: is something we don't talk about because we are very
Speaker 3: prideful and nobody wants to feel like, you know, they
Speaker 3: got scams or somebody took advantage of them, and we
Speaker 3: don't talk about.
Speaker 4: It because we see a lot of documentaries, but I
Speaker 4: haven't seen from our culture, like no black people. You know,
Speaker 4: we've seen a lot of these, you know, I show
Speaker 4: time on Netflix on everything.
Speaker 2: It's hard to talk about our elves becaublicly.
Speaker 3: We have egos, Like, let's just be real about it,
Speaker 3: like we have egos. I have an ego too. I
Speaker 3: had to lay that shit on the line and put
Speaker 3: it down when I made that post.
Speaker 4: Because I before you, I was he was calling me like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah girl, this da da da da da, Like
Speaker 4: trying to tell me, oh, you see that. I'm like,
Speaker 4: first of all, like a promise you because you know, Jennifer,
Speaker 4: we know this from basketball wise, but you've always had it.
Speaker 4: Ain't like you're gonna make up some story to get attention.
Speaker 1: You're good.
Speaker 4: This is not any tension that anybody wants, you know,
Speaker 4: the exactly that you want to get. But it is
Speaker 4: important to be able to feel like, this is not
Speaker 4: my fault that this happened to me. I trusted somebody
Speaker 4: and it's not my fault that somebody took advantage of
Speaker 4: my trust.
Speaker 2: And he was literally counting on your ego. He was
Speaker 2: just so you wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 4: That's really dumb of him, though, because exactly you have
Speaker 4: this platform. He knows you could blast him at any moment,
Speaker 4: but he thought you would be too embarrassed to do
Speaker 4: it because how you were.
Speaker 3: Because that's that's been his story, you know, because I'm
Speaker 3: not the first person that's on TV or celebrity or
Speaker 3: et cetera that he has scammed, nor the last. Unfortunately, right,
Speaker 3: but nobody wants to put their pride down. Nobody wants
Speaker 3: to you know. We we all have egos and for
Speaker 3: me it's so much bigger than me. It's bigger than
Speaker 3: my brain drover, it's bigger than the money he took
Speaker 3: for me as a person. I feel like it's the
Speaker 3: right thing to do, and I'm grateful that I'm able
Speaker 3: to recover from him. But maybe the next person he
Speaker 3: does is to can't.
Speaker 2: Right, right, because it's sixty thousand dollars. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna end your life. It's a lot of money,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna be okay. But for somebody else that
Speaker 2: could really destroy them.
Speaker 1: Somebody else is in like I have a Ferrari too, right,
Speaker 1: so I can just drive that.
Speaker 4: Nobody you know what I'm saying, People don't have it, Like,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna make send people ten thousand dollars could
Speaker 4: break them, right.
Speaker 1: And you said it's bigger than you, But it took
Speaker 1: someone as big as you to share your spotlight and
Speaker 1: shine some of that onto him because there were people
Speaker 1: like me that him been screaming for a long the time.
Speaker 1: But nobody hears us. Our platform is not as big
Speaker 1: as your work. That's such he's been saying that. I've
Speaker 1: been talked to like Las Vegas Metro Police Department, FBI
Speaker 1: dozens of years agoin they don't care.
Speaker 4: And imagine how many people have different stories about different
Speaker 4: people that will never be heard because they just don't care.
Speaker 3: And I just say, there's power in numbers, right, and
Speaker 3: so it's until you get a bunch of people that
Speaker 3: have the same story and this number becomes astronomical and
Speaker 3: you literally call out the authorities. This man has been
Speaker 3: arrested by the FBI. The FBI has pulled up to
Speaker 3: Maria's job, The FBI has pulled up on Ramona. Why
Speaker 3: is the FBI not doing anything? How many you're protecting him?
Speaker 4: How many people have come forward so far? Would you
Speaker 4: if you had to guess to me?
Speaker 3: Oh my, the way my and the dms were so crazy,
Speaker 3: like I'm talking about I mean, there were street dudes.
Speaker 3: There were just you know, and again his.
Speaker 1: Street dudes on Instagram they are listen, I did. Somebody
Speaker 1: called me from jail.
Speaker 3: I were like, okay, Like, I mean, the amount of
Speaker 3: people that this man has touched and taken their money
Speaker 3: or some way, shape or form credit.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been touched.
Speaker 3: It's right. No people people were sending Jamie emails that
Speaker 3: he allegedly was like business partners with and they were like,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised this man is still alive.
Speaker 2: Wow, exactly, he's basically Listen, you said, the FBI, like,
Speaker 2: why aren't they doing They take a little time to investigate,
Speaker 2: So don't be surprised you've seen it. Have they come
Speaker 2: after him? Especially it's been two years since he took
Speaker 2: your car.
Speaker 1: Twenty years since he's been doing this. I guess the
Speaker 1: one person who came forward who had, like I guess,
Speaker 1: information from like two thousand and three to four, Like
Speaker 1: it's been twenty years that we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be surprised if the FBI, I guess slow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they moved slow, but they might come.
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I have been told that he's an informant. Well,
Speaker 3: but the thing is, so that's why, right, I don't
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I'm not, but I can
Speaker 3: when when you do something on this platform and magnitude something,
Speaker 3: I just feel like something has to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's too public.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we're gonna definitely I cannot wait to
Speaker 4: see this documentary.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait for you to come to land.
Speaker 4: That cannot me, I was gonna say, And I cannot
Speaker 4: wait till we go to court and you get to
Speaker 4: see him face to face.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right there with you.
Speaker 3: I see him before court, and.
Speaker 4: We're gonna try to pull up to some of his
Speaker 4: locations that he likes to go to where he gets spotted,
Speaker 4: because I know as soon as somebody hit you and
Speaker 4: say they saw him, you ready to jump up.
Speaker 1: Yes, and your bonding and everything.
Speaker 3: I don't wear a bonnet, by might have a scorrephone.
Speaker 3: It's our mess.
Speaker 1: Don't let's talk about the hairline.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Eh, yes, yes, no, I mean I'm ready, Okay.
Speaker 1: Were ready? Let's go. Let me know I'm pulling up.
Speaker 3: Let's do it all right?
Speaker 1: Well it's lipservis.
Speaker 4: Thank y'all so much for joining and actually sharing your
Speaker 4: story with us, because I really do appreciate it. But
Speaker 4: you know we in your corner. Thank you, Ramona, thank you,
Speaker 4: thank you, Jennifer, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And I just want to add one last thing, ladies, gentlemen,
Speaker 3: if you have been scammed, please do not take it
Speaker 3: in private. Go to the authorities, follow a police report.
Speaker 3: I don't care if nothing happens, but at least get
Speaker 3: it on record. So in the future you can possibly
Speaker 3: do something about it, just don't don't take it in
Speaker 3: and posted.
Speaker 4: I think what Ramona did was great, Like make sure
Speaker 4: that if somebody googles this person, it comes up, it
Speaker 4: comes it left the record, because that's how y'all man.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, Well let's lip service. Thank you,