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Speaker 2: I'm Angela Yee, I'm Gg Maguire, I'm Stephanie Santiago.

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Speaker 3: Come on, oh hi, I'm Jonnifer Williams.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Mowna Philip.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, what's up, ladies? How y'all feeling good?

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Speaker 4: You guys enjoying the wine? I do want to shout

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Speaker 4: out to Mary J.

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Speaker 1: Blige.

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Speaker 4: We're drinking her wine. And also my boy Dynae were

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Speaker 4: drinking his Lafette Rose Delicious. You know, black owned brands.

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Speaker 4: I only do you don't normally we don't do this,

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Speaker 4: but I know you are classy and whatnot, so I

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Speaker 4: knew we would.

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Speaker 1: Have had something else.

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Speaker 4: Jennifer would have been like, I know, I'm okay, No,

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Speaker 4: I don't do that hard liquor stuff anymore.

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Speaker 3: I think, okay, don't don't tell my.

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Speaker 1: Secrets, Jennifer. We know you good for a penal Greese, Mariam,

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Speaker 1: you had a letter backing at us up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no tequila today, but.

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Speaker 4: Listen, just for some context. You know this is my girl,

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Speaker 4: Jennifer Williams. Y'all know her from basketball wives, I know

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Speaker 4: her from high school. But yeah, and so we've been

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Speaker 4: watching this is this the last season, you think.

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Speaker 3: No, it's definitely now. It's too much stuff going on

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Speaker 3: and our ratings are great.

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Speaker 1: Okay, alright, cause I was like, we're it now?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Like what? But I guess y'all got some new cast members.

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Speaker 3: Too, Yes, and you know what, they have really good

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Speaker 3: personal stories. And so this is the first time that

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Speaker 3: we've done two parts to a season. So we have

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Speaker 3: twenty six episodes. Part A aired and now Part B

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Speaker 3: is gonna air. I don't know when, but it is

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Speaker 3: airing soon. I'm still actually doing some pick up interviews,

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Speaker 3: but I think it should be airing soon.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for that, because I keep going back

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Speaker 5: to see when the next episode is coming, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: Like what's happening?

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Speaker 1: But that explains it. That's what I thought. I was like,

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Speaker 1: what happened to this during COVID, Like I don't know it?

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Speaker 3: So that was that season was really crazy because we

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Speaker 3: then we had a cast member that went role that

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Speaker 3: was recording people, which is basically a violation of your contract.

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Speaker 3: So it was a lot of legal issues that we

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Speaker 3: we can't do a reunion. It was a lot going on,

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Speaker 3: but I am told we are doing a reunion. However,

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Speaker 3: the second part of the season hasn't aired, so we

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Speaker 3: can't do the reunion quite yet, but I guess we'll

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Speaker 4: Will you and Jilani be having a wedding spin off special?

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Speaker 3: You know what I am. I am doing a special

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Speaker 3: actually with my own show, but it's a documentary, not

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Speaker 3: a lot of special.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: You know, I know about this said, this is why

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Speaker 4: Ramona is here. So let's get right into that. Okay,

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Speaker 4: perfect cause you know all right, so let's flash back

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Speaker 4: to part of the reason why we're here today. I

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Speaker 4: saw you post something on social media, right, somebody stole

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Speaker 4: your range rover.

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Speaker 3: You one of the first people that called me, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, my ass.

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Speaker 4: I seen her post. I was like, what the fact

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Speaker 4: know your phone went crazy after that, so crazy. So

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Speaker 4: what got you to the point where you were like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I have to post about this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I definitely debated posting about it. I obviously

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Speaker 3: it had been well over sixty days. I wasn't getting

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Speaker 3: Anxious, nervous. I went back and forth with Mona, like

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Speaker 3: what should I say, What should I post? What pictures

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Speaker 3: And it was a first time for me, and it

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Speaker 1: In, Like you didn't arrange overstolen.

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Speaker 3: But I think that is a problem in society today.

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Speaker 3: We victim blame and it's like I didn't do anything. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: I just was a trusting person, but I trust the

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Speaker 4: And the police also probably looked at it like, well,

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Speaker 3: Right, So it's considered like a love crime, and you

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Speaker 3: know a lot of times there's just think, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: and that absolutely was not the case with me. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: Why do you have your car in the first place.

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Speaker 4: Let's break that down.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I feel like I'm talking a story

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Speaker 4: But if people don't go because you know, people see

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Speaker 3: Right? Okay? So basically I was moving from California to

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Speaker 3: Atlanta and I had an issue with my closing. Now

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the case. And I found that as I

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Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I had been to his house.

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Speaker 3: I never in a million years would think that somebody

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Speaker 4: It was a stressful time, Yes, had a lot going on.

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Speaker 4: You were like, I just need to put my car.

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Speaker 3: Somewhere, right, That is how he got the car.

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Speaker 4: In retrospect, You're like, I should have just parked at

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Speaker 3: It would have definitely been safer there.

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Speaker 4: Now let's fast forward to how you know Mona then,

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Speaker 4: because you guys met it was hard to find any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought his name was Daniel Nichols.

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Speaker 1: Okay, completely different, Okay, cletely.

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Speaker 3: And he just went by Nick as a nickname. That's

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Speaker 3: Aaron Pushy Nichols? Pushy pushy name? Yes, you heard them say.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I guess his family calls him that. I said,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it turns out Daniel is the middle name, but

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Speaker 3: Okay, right, So then I put in Aaron Nichols. And

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Speaker 3: then I see Mona's post from Lipstick Ali, which happened

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, the sad thing is I knew him a

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Speaker 1: million years before Jen did, and at the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: Some months after, I was contacted by one of his

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is crazy because you can

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Speaker 1: is a gossip site, so I'm like, let me put

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Speaker 1: some information on here. I did, like a don't datum

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: There was nothing about him, so I wanted.

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Speaker 4: I did if you didn't. If a guy like did

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Speaker 4: you dirty? You could post his picture and what he

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Speaker 4: did to you on don't datumgirl dot com, but they've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So this was a way to kind of

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Speaker 1: when I first got there, I didn't see his house.

433
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see his house at all.

434
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 2: So where were you saying?

435
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: I stayed with a girlfriend. I stayed with a friend

436
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: of a friend. And the thing that was interesting about

437
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: that is the friend of a friend, our mutual friend,

438
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: had told me she was in real estate. When I

439
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: say at her house is when I realized she was

440
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: a webcam girl. So it seemed like everybody kind of happen.

441
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 1: It was a double life in Vegas.

442
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 2: Yeah she's living like was she living in like a

443
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 2: really nice home?

444
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 7: Yeah?

445
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: She had a nice little townhouse, you know, a little

446
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 1: white range. You know, it worked, you know, because they

447
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: go out of bed.

448
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: You know, in Vegas, people who have money have crazy

449
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: because it's importable exactly, know.

450
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: What I mean? Especially then it was even.

451
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a Vegas, is a Nevada is really affordable

452
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: to live in?

453
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: And what does your family say?

454
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: Because that's what you tell your family, I'm moving to

455
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 4: Vegas with this guy.

456
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were not at all happy about it. But

457
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: like I said, at the time, I was a grown up.

458
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: It's not like they could tell me you can't go,

459
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, like my dad at the time like stopped

460
00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: speaking to me like completely, so he knew. Yeah, I

461
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: think he had that intuition like this, ain't it. You know?

462
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Did they meet him? No, they didn't meet him. That's

463
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: part of it too. I never I haven't met this guy.

464
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: But at the time, I only knew him like four

465
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: or five months, you know, before I moved out there.

466
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: So you did eventually start dancing. I did without like

467
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: within like a month after I moved to Vegas. I

468
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: s I went and got my little sheriff's card and

469
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: business license and all the things that you need to

470
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: do to start dancing. The same chick that the cousin

471
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: took me to a club that you know, I guess

472
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable in because it wasn't like what I

473
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: was used to, you know. I'm used to like bigger

474
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: booty chicks, like you know, doing some chicks on a paul.

475
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: These girls just walking around the paul. So I'm like,

476
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: I could do that, Like I could do that. I

477
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: probably could, right, And I remember having to go in

478
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: and audition and everything, and that was probably at the

479
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: time the most degrading experience I've ever had, you know,

480
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: having to be topless in front of people. I've never

481
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: you know, I just met on a stage with a

482
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: grease of poles, slippery and everything, but you know, he

483
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of kind of propped me up, like, oh my gosh,

484
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: you know you could do this, You're so sexy, Like

485
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: you could definitely make whatever money. My first night I

486
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: made I think like three or four hundred dollars, and

487
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: I listened when they tell you.

488
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: These are the rules.

489
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Don't touch, don't do this, like however distance between the customer.

490
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised I made any money. But I feel

491
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: like Vegas is more strict than other places. Yeah, definitely,

492
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: so you know going home with it like a white club,

493
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm want to ask you that too. There are black

494
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: clubs in Vegas. Let's be honest, Like the clubs are

495
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: like I don't know, no, and not only that, they

496
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: have like a quota, so they're only allowed to have

497
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: so many black girls in the club.

498
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: What. Yeah, I don't know that very much.

499
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: So because we're not their aesthetic. Like if there's play

500
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: a hip hop like that, they really don't and you know,

501
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: because guys will come in and you know, their demographic

502
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: is different, so it's gonna be a certain type of guy.

503
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna go in with his friends. He's not gonna

504
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: want his friends to know that he might have a

505
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: fetish like he might not necessarily, you know, it's just

506
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: not our market. It's blonde, big boobs. It's like if

507
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: they want anything exotic, it's like, you know, dark hair

508
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: is exotic, Asian is exotic. Yep, but it's not. It's

509
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: not black girls. It's just not. So you know, I

510
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily make money that first time out. I was

511
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: super nervous and I wasn't you know, comfortable, But he

512
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: hyped me up and he was just like, you know,

513
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: you can do this. He made three four hundred perfect.

514
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: I think you can make like five hundred a night.

515
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: Five hundred is a good is a good number. Was

516
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: he coming to the club, No, absolutely not. But if

517
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: you think he wasn't even taking me, okay, wow, so

518
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: it was a cousin taking me in it. When did

519
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: you see him? I honestly would see him maybe once

520
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: a week because he would have to come pick up money.

521
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: Oh so he was taking the money that you was

522
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: taking the money that I made and did he leave

523
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 4: you with any of it?

524
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: No? Oh, so how are you surviving? I don't think

525
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: it's okay.

526
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that, okay.

527
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: And now the thing, yeah, the thing that that's weird

528
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: because people that are not in a life wouldn't necessarily understand,

529
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: like if you dance and you knew it whatever, Like

530
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: for people that just don't know, they wouldn't know. But

531
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: people that dance will probably be able to understand this.

532
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: People that you know, like you said you were really green, yeah, yeah, and.

533
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, even like you know, pimps and hustlers will

534
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: know the difference. It's one thing if you're honest with

535
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: what it is that you're doing. He wasn't right, you know.

536
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: It's like I was kind of coerced into it, like

537
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: I was misled into it, like you legit or pimping

538
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: me out, and that's what it was. But every time

539
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: I would confront him about it, He's like, if I

540
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: was a pimp, I wouldn't pimp you. I would get

541
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: somebody who would make more money. I would get whatever.

542
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: So how did this last five years? I was numb

543
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. It's not like I numbed

544
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: myself with like alcoholic drugs or whatever. I think I

545
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: fought with him so much that I was like I

546
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: had no more fight in me. I just kind of

547
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: gave up. And how did it come to an end?

548
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: I always knew like something was wrong. I always knew

549
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: something was wrong. I kept confronting him about it, like again,

550
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: even with his name he gave me. His name is

551
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Nick Clark. Initially he introduced himself as that. Now remember car, right,

552
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: it does sound like ridiculous. Now, Remember I came out

553
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: to Vegas in.

554
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: My own car, right, I got like Superman.

555
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: Right, I came out to Vegas in my own car,

556
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: which is nothing compared to his like luxury cars. So

557
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: he would talk about, you know what, We're gonna put

558
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: you into something you know a little better than this.

559
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: We wanna put you on. What kind of car do

560
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: you like? Let's go look at cars like you.

561
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: Know, so.

562
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: Exactly. Now I'm making more than enough money at this point,

563
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm making like five hundred dollars a night. I can

564
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: buy my own car.

565
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 5: You know.

566
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: It was so his whole thing, I know exactly. So

567
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: his whole thing was like, let's switch you out of

568
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: this car. And I'm like, well, I'm still making payments

569
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: on this car, have a note on this car. And

570
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: he's like, well, what we'll do is we'll just stop

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: piking payments. We'll go ahead and turn it into this

572
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: dealership and then we'll move on to like the next thing. Now,

573
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: I had no idea how that was going to affect

574
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: my credit and my dad was like a code signer

575
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: on my car ship, how that was going to affect

576
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: my relationship with my dad? All of this bullshit. So

577
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm trusting this guy that you know, I'm sleep away

578
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: or all whatever, you know. And I'm like, okay, He's like,

579
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: all right, give me the car and then we'll put

580
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: you in something else. So he takes my car and

581
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: never see it again. No one sees it again.

582
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: And he didn't and did and you didn't get another

583
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: No I did.

584
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: He had me in multiple cars, like I was in

585
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: a different car like every month, if not every couple

586
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: of weeks, and it could be everything my car.

587
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: I think.

588
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: The ones that he put me in. I'll tell you

589
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: about this because I paid attention all the cars that

590
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: he put me in the minute I would get a

591
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: car looking in the glove compartment, I'll be like, who car,

592
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Who's his car? Like no, I'd be like, who's this

593
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: car registered? None of them ever had his name on them,

594
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: none of them. And they would say these are his cars,

595
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, who are these people? It would

596
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: be like women, right, and I'd be like, well, who

597
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: is this person? And then I would find like you know,

598
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: other things in the car wouldn't be brand new, but

599
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: it would have a paper tag on it, so it

600
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: would be like mail or something in the car.

601
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: Now.

602
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: At the time when I first moved to Vegas, remember

603
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: saying with like a friend of a friend. He then

604
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: had me like an extending stay, like Okay, we're gonna

605
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: keep you in one of these little like extended to

606
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: stay hotels until we can put you into like something

607
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: more permanent and put you in an apartment or whatever.

608
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: One of the apartments he wound up putting me in

609
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: His sister lived around the corner. I don't know who

610
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: this woman was either, but like.

611
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 7: All everybody, all of these people, that's what I'm thinking,

612
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 7: were you, yah, I'm thinking that these other women whose

613
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 7: names were on these cars were other us.

614
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. So what happened was we had

615
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: he when I first got there, you know, his whole

616
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: thing was like, you know, I was part of a

617
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: credit union here in New York and they didn't have

618
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: a bank in Vegas. So he's like, well, that's fine,

619
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: just take all your money out. We'll put it in

620
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a bank here. I know. So it's his bank, it's

621
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: his bank, it's whatever. And he basically was like, Okay,

622
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: I know someone who works at this particular bank will

623
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: set you up on an account here and put my

624
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: money in this account. He gives me like a bank card.

625
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: He said, this is your address. It was like a

626
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: post office box or whatever. You'll get all the statements here.

627
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: I get the bank card, I go to ATM. I

628
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: couldn't withdraw any money, and I have my money in it.

629
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Listen is horrible. I'm surprised, honestly sometimes that I'm here, because,

630
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: like one, I could have killed him. I could have

631
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: killed myself.

632
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put it past Listen. I wouldn't put anything

633
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: past him.

634
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: I definitely would have put up a fight, okay, because throughout.

635
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: Our relationship were so vulnerable at that time, like whatever

636
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: was going on with you personally that it feel like

637
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: you wanted this to be something that it wasn't.

638
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in love before, and I remember

639
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: what that was like, so I wanted to do whatever

640
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: to kind of get you had to be in love

641
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: with him. You did, for it wasn't the same type

642
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: of love that I had prior to that. So electricity, Yeah,

643
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: I was trying to grow up Jim.

644
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: Prior to him taking your range rover, did he try

645
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: to get you to do things that felt weird that Like,

646
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: was he trying to get you to do anything like

647
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: invest in something or event him money.

648
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: Prior to him taken my range way, I'm trying to

649
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: think of a time like no, absolutely, this was prior

650
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: to because I wouldn't have give him money after that.

651
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: So prior to him taken my range rover, we because

652
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: he claims to be a real estate broker and not

653
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: a real estate program I'm sorry, investor and a car broker,

654
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: so I have been talking to him about real estate

655
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: because it was something that I was like, okay, yeah,

656
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: like you know, I know what's lucrative. I would, you know,

657
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: get into it, but I just don't know enough and

658
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: I don't have enough time to like manage all of

659
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: these things. And he was like oh yeah, you know,

660
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: it's a great it's a great thing to do and

661
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And he was like telling me about

662
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: some of his investments, which we're all bullshit, right, So

663
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: he was like, well, yeah, So no, we had that conversation,

664
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: and I would say like probably like a couple of

665
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: weeks later, he was like, hey, I found this great

666
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 3: opportunity blah blah blah. I guess it was like flipping

667
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: a house whatever whatever. And for me, I was like okay,

668
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: I really wasn't trying to get into like the logistics.

669
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, what's the what's the end result?

670
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: Like what am I gonna make here?

671
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Right?

672
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: So he was like, oh yeah, you'll like triple your

673
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: money or whatever it was. He said that sounded appealing

674
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: to me, and I was like okay, cool, yeah, like

675
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: I'll do it. And so the first one he was

676
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: like okay, it's like twenty five thousand or something like that,

677
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, well, if I'm gonna make

678
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: a hundred thousand, I'm like that sounds like a win

679
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: to me. You know, did that and then he was

680
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: like okay, well, you know it's gonna take a couple months,

681
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: which I assumed you know.

682
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: You gave him twenty five thousand.

683
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: I gave him forty thousand, okay, and this was before

684
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: he took my range roverer so but again, but it

685
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: was you know, this is a good deal. It's a

686
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: real estate and this No.

687
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: It sounds like a good deal, but you didn't get

688
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: anything back on it.

689
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: No, I'm in a deficit. Let's be clear. Okay, I'm

690
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: out of forty thousand and a rain drover girl.

691
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: Yes, sheesh, girl, that that really But it's hard because

692
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: you trusted him, Yes, you know you felt like he

693
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: was this investor. You feel like, Okay, I want to

694
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: take a risk and have my money make some money.

695
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: Understand that. Did you have like an attorney or any

696
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: type of paperwork?

697
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 5: No?

698
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: And so I have to say this right because I

699
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: know people kind of don't really understand how this happens.

700
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: But if you're in a relationship with someone, what you're

701
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: going to be is trusting, right, And so I think

702
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: for me, I've never dealt with someone of this nature.

703
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: And it's never happened to you before.

704
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: No, never happened to me before. And I don't know,

705
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: I just always kind of thought that people were genuine

706
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: like me.

707
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: No, to be honest, if it's a guy and I'm

708
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: dating him and I trust him, I wouldn't even ask

709
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: him for.

710
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: No paperwork me.

711
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: Now after having this conversation important, even with him not

712
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: telling me his real name, with him not telling me

713
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: his real name, how would I know that? Like, you

714
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: don't meet someone, start dating and be like, let me

715
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: see your life in right or you know they pay

716
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: for a bill.

717
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Believe that's credit card or for seed or.

718
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: Looking at their credit card. I just because I want

719
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: to want someone to do it to me, right.

720
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: But somebody, but you're different. People could google you know

721
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: you're they know that's how you are. Yeah, And I

722
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: feel like and I do. I know people say, oh

723
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 4: meet somebody, see who they are, but I do feel

724
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 4: like it is important to like google people, you know,

725
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: just in Jenner just putting that out. We're talking about

726
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: these things for anybody listening. You know, when you are

727
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: dating somebody, and I always do feel like I don't care,

728
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 4: like because I've done business deals with people that have

729
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: gone left as not nobody I've dated, but like any

730
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 4: type of deal can go left, and so if somebody

731
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: cares about you and you're in a relationship and you

732
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: want to do a deal together.

733
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: The best thing to do contracts and paperwork.

734
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, is to make sure but that probably wouldn't matter

735
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: with him anyway. Honestly, like as somebody who as a

736
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: kind of artist, even if you have paper.

737
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: What I tell people, you also have to remember that

738
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: this man is a con artist. And not only is

739
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: he a con artist, but he's been doing this for decades.

740
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: So like Angela, you've been on the radio for how long?

741
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Eighteen years?

742
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so almost two decades, right, So I would like

743
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: to say she's almost an expert in what she does.

744
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: Obviously she's amazing. She's got her own shop, like you

745
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So when you do something for

746
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: an extended almost two decades, you're damn near.

747
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: Expert's an expert artist.

748
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: So he studies his craft just like an actor. They

749
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: study their craft, they win Emmy's. So this man knows

750
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: what vulnerabilities and how to play on people's emotions.

751
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: Because a whole lot of people started sending messages once

752
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: you put your story out there, people were reaching out

753
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: to me.

754
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: I was like, II, and so I'm gonna tell you.

755
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: So I didn't feel electricity because I want a moment

756
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: to finish her story. But when I met him, I

757
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: met him at the same reaches in Atlanta. I was

758
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: there for Tanisha's birthday.

759
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I was there for the To's wedding.

760
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: And so for those who don't know, the Saint Regis

761
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 5: is one of the if not the best hotel in Atlanta.

762
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, absolutely, yeah, he's gonna put himself in those circles.

763
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: He's going.

764
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: It's like the Saint Regis, the waldor the Thompson, that's

765
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: the new work.

766
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: So I'm at the bar. We're at the bar, We're

767
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: having drinks.

768
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: It's a little I'm not.

769
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: Really paying attention. I'm on my phone. He walks up,

770
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: he tells the bartender or get them what they want,

771
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: whatever drinks they want. So it kind of intrigued me

772
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: because I'm not used to men just coming up and

773
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: saying they'll pay for whatever without wanting a conversation game

774
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: like they always want to talk about something or whatever.

775
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, and then he left, they

776
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: can move.

777
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: Wow, what an impression. Get whatever you want. I'm not

778
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: even gonna rash is right.

779
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: So then when he is back, You're like, wait, you

780
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it's tall, right, he's handsome.

781
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: I did not take that from him. He's definitely like

782
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: he's handsome. He's now I think.

783
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: He's just disgusting.

784
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: But you know, when you first look at him, you're like, okay,

785
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: both men and like guy, you know, definitely, So I was.

786
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: I was intrigued. And when he came back like later on,

787
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, you know, are y'all good? Whatever? Whatever?

788
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: So Tania goes and embarrass me and she's like she

789
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: pulls out like Instagram. She's like, you know who she is.

790
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, you knew whatever another he does,

791
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: and I've learned this from around him. You treat you

792
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: treat he's somebody like nobody and nobody like there's somebody okay,

793
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: So again that's what he does. It was game.

794
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: He knew who you were, but you don't even know me,

795
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, Okay, No, he's just think I'm flying.

796
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: This was lying, but I hate when people do that

797
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: because I'm not that person at all, you know what

798
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean. So anyway, we exchanged numbers and he started texting.

799
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, you know, like I got a

800
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: table across the street, a regent whatever. But she didn't

801
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: want to go there. It was her birthday and I

802
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like we're not going to end up

803
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: coming whatever. So the next day he was like, hey,

804
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: do you want to go to lunch? And I'm like,

805
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in Atlanta, I'm single, Like, you know,

806
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: let me go to lunch. So we went to Houston's

807
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: and we sat at Houston's at the bar for hours

808
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: and just like talked.

809
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: That's cute. You had dis finished it.

810
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: Right, and we were just talking talking. But what I

811
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: realized is that he was just trying to get information

812
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: about me, right, because I love to talk. I think

813
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: face to face communication, like you'll definitely win me over.

814
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: And you know what, we love when men ask us

815
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: questions and are interested.

816
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: You know, really, again, I have to remind you guys,

817
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: he's been doing this for two decades. He studies his crap,

818
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: he knows what to do, he knows how more women

819
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: and men.

820
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: So she said it.

821
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: I mean that's when he really would back down when

822
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 4: you start bringing at us.

823
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: This was this was a trigger for me. So my

824
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: ex husband was a cancer. My boyfriends after him have

825
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: been a cancer.

826
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: One is Eric who's on the farm right now.

827
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: You know what? And another one that's in jail.

828
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, Tim Norman. Can you cancer too? Yes,

829
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: you might want to stay. My friend is a cancer.

830
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm scared.

831
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, so.

832
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

833
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: So I said to myself, cancers are really attracted to me.

834
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: And I was like, Wow, this is going so amazing.

835
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: I need to ask him his birthday because if he

836
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: says he's a cancer, I'm running out of here, right.

837
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, so when's your birthday? And

838
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: he said December twenty eighth. He's like and I'm like,

839
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: like me, I'm CROs and I got goosebumps and I

840
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: was like, and he's like, what's wrong? And I didn't

841
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: really know how to take it or what to read

842
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: into it or like. It just was very odd because

843
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: I had never met anyone with that birthday and that

844
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: was the day that my mother passed away. And so

845
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: when I said that, I think Antenna's went off for

846
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: him because he knew, okay, like how to and for me,

847
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: you can't put an expiration on grief. And so my

848
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: mom and I were very close to Angela knows this,

849
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: and so I think I'm always looking for a connection

850
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: to my mother. And so when he said it, I

851
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: didn't know, Like I was like, is it too good

852
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: to be true? Like I didn't know what it was.

853
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: But we're sitting here, we're having this conversation. It have

854
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: been hours, it was. It just was effortless, and I

855
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, maybe this is.

856
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: Something that's happened to be Yeah, and he really played.

857
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: Into because one I'm a hopeless romantic and two I'm

858
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: looking for that connection to my mother.

859
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Right.

860
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: Wow, look girl, Sorry.

861
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I didn't mean a no, It's fine.

862
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: I almost felt myself tearing.

863
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: I'm but you know, I also look at it like this,

864
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 4: even with this experience, you might have been the person

865
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 4: you ladies to help a lot of other people, because

866
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: this is something I think about it. Mona like years

867
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: ago posted about this and probably thought nothing was ever

868
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: gonna happen.

869
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who came forward.

870
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: That's like I'm never gonna see justice from this person,

871
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: and that's something that will like tear at you forever.

872
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: But now this happened to you.

873
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: Somebody who has a platform, somebody who was like, Okay,

874
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 4: this is what we're about to do. We're gonna do

875
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: a whole documentary and give everyone a chance to speak

876
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: their peace and also try to make sure because you

877
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: did file charges against him, right.

878
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to the police station. I did

879
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: the police support, but it's not up to me. It's

880
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: what they investigate, what they find to file charges. So

881
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: you know it is it's very difficult for victims of

882
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: love fraud crimes because one you're already devastated, you're emotionally

883
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: drained and financially drained, and so it takes a lot

884
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: and it's embarrassing.

885
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: It's definitely embarrassed, right, Like I think a lot of

886
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: people will tell you it's embarrassing.

887
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of people will take their l

888
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: inside with car and keep it moving. But the thing is,

889
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: if you do that, you give them power because then

890
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: they can go do it to the next person.

891
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: But it's also really hard to get justice even if

892
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: you speak out absolutely. I mean, like I definitely when

893
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: I was younger, had an incident where I was trying

894
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: to get this car and my brother hooked me up

895
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: at this guy. I gave him eight thousand dollars cash

896
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: because he said he was a car dealer and.

897
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Never never saw your money. Yeah, car and I tried to.

898
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: Do I talked to the DA, the assistant DA contacted me.

899
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: But it's really hard when things like this happened to

900
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: even get justice.

901
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: No, it is, and it takes it's emotionally draining, and

902
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of time, and you really have

903
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: to be relentless because they're like whatever, it's just another case,

904
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Like they don't care. They have a million cases. And

905
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: again it's not.

906
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Like it's not a vialent somebody.

907
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: It's not a violent crime, so it's not at the

908
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: top of their list.

909
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: Like you have to really hire a private investigator to

910
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 4: try to get anything. And then what sex is that

911
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: he's still in Atlanta and still doing it.

912
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: He's still doing it and still doing that. You guys

913
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of people to come or were in

914
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: to their studients.

915
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh my DMS girl.

916
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: And people are still juicy.

917
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is years in the making, like this

918
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: you this was almost two years ago that you sent

919
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: out this message and made people wear and people are

920
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: still two years later coming forward telling their stories.

921
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: And what really made him back down that day when

922
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: all this stuff was because then he posted some like

923
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: fake messages, you know, like from him and Jennifer talking

924
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 4: about basketball wise, and she was like going in on it,

925
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 4: but it was like very clearly fake cause I'm like,

926
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 4: why would he be gossiping with you and your day?

927
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: And I don't even do that with guys that I'm

928
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: d like.

929
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: I think he did that. Remember, he's not alone in this,

930
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: the same way he had the cousin and the sister

931
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're they're supporting him. Know his multiple baby

932
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: mamies are involved.

933
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: But what I will say what made him back down

934
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: was when the guys that he step with.

935
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: When I started posting them dms that the gay men

936
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: were hitting me like, oh yeah, I met him on Jacked.

937
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: We were at this address in Jonesborough. I have pictures

938
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: of him naked in bed and I was posting all

939
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 3: that shit.

940
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's when.

941
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: Right, that's when his attorney contacted Jamie be like okay,

942
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: he'll take this down if she because I'm like, okay,

943
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: you want to play, like, let's go because my thing

944
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: is like at that time I had put the post up.

945
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: We had just the breakfast club, which I had got

946
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 3: threatened prior. He had reached out to Mona prior trying

947
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: to pay her off, not to do the breakfast club.

948
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: How much for you? Not enough? It's never enough unless

949
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: he can pay me. It's an amount of money that

950
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: I like a put up for those It's nothing. It's

951
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: not billion time owe you. It's nothing. It's not even

952
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: enough money to we So.

953
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was getting threats, but prior to that,

954
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: I had got I had got threats. He had spoofed

955
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office and like called me

956
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: and tried to like.

957
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I was concerned about you at that time.

958
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: I would say, Jennifer, you can't be moving around by yourself,

959
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 4: like and.

960
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 3: I'm so much a loner, but I have to say

961
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: this right and I'm gonna stay it on lip service

962
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: and I'm say this on VH one, and I'm safe

963
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: for whoever. Like, if I get as much as a

964
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: flat tire, there's going to be a problem because we

965
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: know who did it, you know what I mean. So

966
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm not really concerned. I do have to

967
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: be a little more cautious about moving around, and especially

968
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: I think after this documentary comes out, I might have

969
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: to hire security. And I'm okay with that, but if

970
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: anybody lays a finger on me, you know who did it?

971
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 4: Well, what about this upcoming court date that you have?

972
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 4: How are you feeling about it?

973
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: So I have not seen him in forever, and I

974
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: just feel like he feels like he's invincible. So I

975
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to show up to court.

976
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: It's an arrayment. So I believe that you have to

977
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: be there. But I don't know that I have much

978
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: faith in the court system because you have to think,

979
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: he's been arrested sixty six times, probably way more.

980
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: Than this is six times.

981
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: It's probably closer to like eighty now because the way

982
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: this man.

983
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: Has ripped off his own family members, you know, you

984
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 4: have to be a special kind of yes.

985
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: So for what kind of demings did he get arrested for?

986
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: For all these times? It can be anything. It could

987
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: be you know, no proof of insurance. It could be

988
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: fictitious tag. Remember how I told you, Oh, Vega, I

989
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: was like paper tag. It could be DUI. It could

990
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: be anything, be any and everything.

991
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: So he's used to being arrested. I'm sure he's used

992
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: to going to court and what has come of it

993
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 3: because he's still on the street scamming people. So I mean,

994
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't really know that anything is going to happen

995
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: with court, but I know that I'm gonna be relentless.

996
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to hope for the best. But this is

997
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: why I'm doing the documentary because I can't. I can't

998
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: depend on the justice system. What I can depends on

999
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: is myself and bringing awareness to society and a community

1000
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: and women and men and letting them know that this

1001
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: man is out here scamming you. And for me, I

1002
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: just want to do this to just have an impact

1003
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: and absolutely good.

1004
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's that I think that the documentary, we

1005
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: should put his face on billboards.

1006
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Yep, scale because he keeps changing his name, so you

1007
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: can google his name. But if he's going to come

1008
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: up with something.

1009
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: And then behind it, this is behind it and his

1010
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: picture with all the name scam likely right.

1011
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: So for me, I have to do this because I said,

1012
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: if it's the last thing I do before I leave

1013
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: this earth, I'm going to let people know that this

1014
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 3: man is a menace to society.

1015
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 4: I'm what would you say, do you want to run

1016
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: into him personally? Like, would you be nervous? What do

1017
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 4: you think that would be?

1018
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1019
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 3: I think probably initially I would be nervous, but I do.

1020
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: I would actually love to have a conversation with him,

1021
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: and I would love to ask him like what is

1022
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: your psyche? How did you how did you scam your

1023
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: own father? How do you sleep at night?

1024
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, you know what I mean?

1025
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: Like, like what, I.

1026
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: Would love to help you find him, because you know,

1027
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: I'll come to Atlanta and we will.

1028
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: You know where he lives.

1029
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: Time, Yes, he still lives there from what I understand.

1030
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm fine with that. You know how kind of Atlanta.

1031
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: I'm there all the time. Well, I'll make a trip.

1032
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: Let's go find he probably still does he still go

1033
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: to the Saint Regis.

1034
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: Probably yet, you know what, somebody told me she saw

1035
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: him at the Saint Regis. And I know. So here's

1036
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: the thing. When I'm out of town, when I'm in

1037
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: La working, that's when he comes out a little bit more.

1038
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: And so a friend of mine is a bartender at

1039
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: the Garden Room, which is in the same serious, and

1040
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: he's been spotted there several times. But I'm in LA.

1041
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: He knows, got to start posting when you're not there. Yeah, right,

1042
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm right.

1043
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: But people that have seen him out in Atlanta too,

1044
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: they're like, he's always like looking real, sketchy, like ducked

1045
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 3: off in a corner.

1046
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: So we'll find him.

1047
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 5: He got one, you know, he want to see.

1048
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: He needs to be under probably scared you.

1049
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: He's not.

1050
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: He's still out there. He's still like hides the plain sight.

1051
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: Because again, there are people he's that are coming forward now,

1052
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: even after breakfast club, even after all of this, that

1053
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: are like, oh he explained it away as though this

1054
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: is just a bitter ex Like, oh, there's something different.

1055
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: It's a misunderstanding, and he's able to charm them right

1056
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: out of some money.

1057
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: He's famous for that. Oh, she's just bitter. She wants

1058
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 3: to be with me, Like not in a million years.

1059
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: We're over it, Like no, you know what, as a

1060
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: real question, listen, I know a lot of people that

1061
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: wann't run.

1062
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: Into him, run over him, run over him.

1063
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: Okay, Now I gotta ask you this, was there ever

1064
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: any for both of you, ladies, indication to you that

1065
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: he liked men as well?

1066
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: When I was with him, I didn't get that. But after,

1067
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, we finally ended, and I told you that,

1068
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Baby Mama contacted me when we were kind of comparing notes.

1069
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: She talked about some things that they would do intimately

1070
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: that he and I never did. She was strapping up,

1071
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: she was strapping up, pegging all of that. So I

1072
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: was like, I knew nothing about pegging. I'm not the strap. Yes, yes,

1073
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about that. So you know she had

1074
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: done that with him. That was not my thing. So

1075
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, So when the man came forward,

1076
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, all right, I'm not surprised

1077
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: at all because you already knew that. So there's nothing

1078
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: he did like.

1079
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: He never put a finger in his butt or anything,

1080
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 4: or he never was like we like.

1081
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Our next he scoot the gucca. He never scow up.

1082
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: You never was down there. He was like hello, hella, I.

1083
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: Don't know no, and listen. When I learned of that,

1084
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: I was just mortified because you think, like, damn, I've

1085
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: been like into men with this man and he is

1086
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: clearly So yeah.

1087
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 5: I have this theory and men hate when I say it,

1088
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: but I really feel like there's so many men out

1089
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 5: here that are down load bisexual and just are afraid

1090
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 5: to express themselves, like you know, and come out if

1091
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 5: women are men? Are you saying exactly? I feel like

1092
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 5: there's so many women like myself who was bisexual openly,

1093
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: and we can't beat only ones like it's.

1094
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: A lot of them.

1095
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not pointing a finger or saying

1096
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 5: that most of them, but there are there are way

1097
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 5: more men that are touching on their homeboys than we

1098
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 5: know because Guy's experiment too. Yeah, yeah, I actually and

1099
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 5: I have my gay friends that tell me that they

1100
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 5: only date street men, which doesn't make sense to me.

1101
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 5: But yeah, I have a lot of gay friends that'd

1102
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 5: be like I only one if they straight. I only

1103
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: want them if they got a baby, mamre wife like

1104
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: other gay men.

1105
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: The one thing that did to Night when we first

1106
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: started this is the first guy we came across because

1107
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: but not only that, he just wasn't like esthetically pleasing,

1108
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: like it'd be one thing if he's a cute gay guy.

1109
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: He's not even about the money.

1110
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: I know that it's not. We don't care.

1111
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 6: If it's fan camera, I don't care, You don't care,

1112
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 6: imagin woman, blood, cry, gender, it doesn't matter. All he

1113
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 6: sees is Yes, I know you're frustrated with the whole

1114
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 6: legal process, but since you fold the police support has

1115
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: even arrested.

1116
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: Yes, he has been arrested. They finally charged him with

1117
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: theft by deception and he got off on bond because

1118
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: it's COVID and he does have a court date. So

1119
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: his first court date is he's going to be a rain.

1120
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: And honestly, these cases they took, while it's not like

1121
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: it's going to happen overnight, it's going to be right.

1122
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: I have nothing but time for me. I feel like

1123
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: I've waited this long, So however long it takes, I'm

1124
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: willing to wait out the process.

1125
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: Could he potentially get jail time.

1126
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 3: When you steal someone's card, that is a felony, and yes,

1127
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: that is one of the penalties.

1128
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: I would love to go to court with you.

1129
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 4: I would love to like ride around Atlanta, go to

1130
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 4: his places, find him, go to court, see what it's

1131
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: like in court, be there to support you.

1132
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: Please. I need all the support I can get. I

1133
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: was just telling, well, not like I'm so happy to

1134
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: have her, because I feel like I'm not in this

1135
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: by myself. She knows what it's like. And I'm so

1136
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: grateful for the people that have been brave enough to

1137
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 3: come forward to you know, tell their story, because it's

1138
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 3: not an easy thing. And then you put a camera

1139
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: in somebody's space. It's it's already a difficult subject to

1140
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: talk about. And you know, for Mona, this happened to

1141
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: her years ago, and she kind of has to relive

1142
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 3: everything over and over again. So I'm grateful and I

1143
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: need as many soldiers as I can get. So for me,

1144
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to stop because I.

1145
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 4: Think he wants to intimidate you guys. That's why I

1146
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: think it's dope to be able to go look for him.

1147
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so wants to intimidate. But I think at

1148
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: this point he knows that I'm not scared of you.

1149
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: I have already exposed you. I'm going to continue to

1150
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: expose you. And I would love to run into him.

1151
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: I would love to run into him with cameras, no cameras.

1152
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: I just want to know, what the hell is your psyche?

1153
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: Like how could you even sleep at night? How could

1154
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: you do this to your father? Like let alone me,

1155
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: Like that's cool. But I feel like I am the

1156
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: spokesperson at this point for everybody that he's done this too, right,

1157
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 3: and people have not been able to cover from the

1158
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: things that he's done to them. There is long life

1159
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: lasting effect.

1160
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: I know there's people who have ruined their credit for him.

1161
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: Yes, have overextended themselves, who've separated from depression, who've been suicidal.

1162
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: It's honestly, it's horrible. Like Maria, this happened to her

1163
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four and she lost her home.

1164
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 3: She had two kids, So it's like it's not only

1165
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: am I like doing it for Maria, but it's for

1166
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: her kids. You know, you you just like taking people's lives.

1167
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 4: And he has a daughter that I think her mom contacts.

1168
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: Dallas, right, and the mother contacted.

1169
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: You as well. Amazing young scumpet.

1170
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: And Dallas is a beautiful spirit. She is super talented.

1171
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: Was on America's Got Talent. I think when she was

1172
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 3: on America's Got Talent, he reached out to her because

1173
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: now he's, oh I com manage you, Yeah, like oh

1174
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: I could be a manager. But had seen her probably

1175
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: one other time prior to that.

1176
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: In her whole life, and this is her dad.

1177
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 4: Right, and she would reach out and he would just yeah, yeah, no,

1178
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 4: he's absolutely disgusting.

1179
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: We got to find him.

1180
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 4: I propose that we go down there and try to

1181
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: run upon him. You know, I'm getting you know, we

1182
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: got our phones down I'm right now, I can go.

1183
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: I'll just need that.

1184
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: No, I mean, because he does have to be exposed,

1185
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: because the thing about it is that if we're quiet

1186
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: about this, he can continue to do this to other people.

1187
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: And my whole point in doing this is to help

1188
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: somebody and to save their bank account and their livelihood

1189
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: because he's destroying people's lives.

1190
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: I think this documentary is going to do a lot too, honestly,

1191
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 4: Like I know, the process is not easy, and like

1192
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: you said, you're going to be repeating these stories, both

1193
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: of you, you know, over and over and over and

1194
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 4: over and over again for people to hear it and

1195
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: understand it. Because it is two people will see the

1196
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 4: headline and be like, that's stupid, how did they fall

1197
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: for that or whatever. I don't believe them.

1198
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: They need to understand we're not the only people ye

1199
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: at all, because I know, just after you know, you

1200
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: made your posts, there were other women that came forward

1201
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: that have the exact same story as mine. They were

1202
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: removed from their families. He had them out in Vegas,

1203
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: he had them dancing, some of them the same time

1204
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: I did, and he was taking all of their money,

1205
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: you know. And these are women who didn't have that

1206
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: danger pass that were just as green as I was,

1207
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: and they're afraid to come forward. Some of them even

1208
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: had children with him.

1209
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: How did you recover with your family, because that's important too,

1210
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: Like you said, it destroyed certain relationships and with your father, right.

1211
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, you know, I just I wasn't. Like,

1212
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: this is forcing me to be transparent, This is forcing

1213
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: me to tell my story because I didn't. They didn't know,

1214
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: and they probably won't necessarily know until it's aired. But

1215
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: what I did prepare them for with the Breakfast Club

1216
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: interview is that people are going to say some things

1217
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: about me, and I just want you to be prepared

1218
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: for that. And they were like, listen, we got your back,

1219
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is, that's great. So I think that was

1220
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: the battery. I needed him in my bag, honestly, right.

1221
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: Right, and like I always saw her, I'm super appreciative

1222
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: of her, and just because she's been there with me,

1223
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: Like riding and this, it gets dark and it gets

1224
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: lonely and you want to give up. And I've had

1225
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: some of the victims, you know, send me messages and

1226
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: DM and they're like, Jennifer, please don't give up. Keep

1227
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: your foot on his neck, and that keeps me going

1228
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: and then you know, having conversations with her because it

1229
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 3: gets frustrating and you get discouraged because it's like you're

1230
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: screaming is from the mountaintops and he's been arrested, and

1231
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 3: you know certain things have happened where you should It's

1232
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: like it's clearly laid out for you, Like what can't

1233
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: you see? Why is this man so walking around? So

1234
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: I think the problem is in the black community. This

1235
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: is something we don't talk about because we are very

1236
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 3: prideful and nobody wants to feel like, you know, they

1237
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: got scams or somebody took advantage of them, and we

1238
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: don't talk about.

1239
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: It because we see a lot of documentaries, but I

1240
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: haven't seen from our culture, like no black people. You know,

1241
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 4: we've seen a lot of these, you know, I show

1242
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 4: time on Netflix on everything.

1243
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to talk about our elves becaublicly.

1244
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: We have egos, Like, let's just be real about it,

1245
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: like we have egos. I have an ego too. I

1246
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: had to lay that shit on the line and put

1247
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: it down when I made that post.

1248
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 4: Because I before you, I was he was calling me like,

1249
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: oh yeah girl, this da da da da da, Like

1250
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: trying to tell me, oh, you see that. I'm like,

1251
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 4: first of all, like a promise you because you know, Jennifer,

1252
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 4: we know this from basketball wise, but you've always had it.

1253
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: Ain't like you're gonna make up some story to get attention.

1254
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: You're good.

1255
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: This is not any tension that anybody wants, you know,

1256
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: the exactly that you want to get. But it is

1257
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: important to be able to feel like, this is not

1258
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 4: my fault that this happened to me. I trusted somebody

1259
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 4: and it's not my fault that somebody took advantage of

1260
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 4: my trust.

1261
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: And he was literally counting on your ego. He was

1262
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: just so you wouldn't say anything.

1263
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 4: That's really dumb of him, though, because exactly you have

1264
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 4: this platform. He knows you could blast him at any moment,

1265
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: but he thought you would be too embarrassed to do

1266
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 4: it because how you were.

1267
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: Because that's that's been his story, you know, because I'm

1268
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: not the first person that's on TV or celebrity or

1269
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 3: et cetera that he has scammed, nor the last. Unfortunately, right,

1270
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: but nobody wants to put their pride down. Nobody wants

1271
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: to you know. We we all have egos and for

1272
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: me it's so much bigger than me. It's bigger than

1273
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: my brain drover, it's bigger than the money he took

1274
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: for me as a person. I feel like it's the

1275
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: right thing to do, and I'm grateful that I'm able

1276
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: to recover from him. But maybe the next person he

1277
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: does is to can't.

1278
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: Right, right, because it's sixty thousand dollars. You know, it's

1279
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: not gonna end your life. It's a lot of money,

1280
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: but you're gonna be okay. But for somebody else that

1281
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: could really destroy them.

1282
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: Somebody else is in like I have a Ferrari too, right,

1283
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: so I can just drive that.

1284
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: Nobody you know what I'm saying, People don't have it, Like,

1285
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: it's not gonna make send people ten thousand dollars could

1286
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 4: break them, right.

1287
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: And you said it's bigger than you, But it took

1288
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: someone as big as you to share your spotlight and

1289
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: shine some of that onto him because there were people

1290
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: like me that him been screaming for a long the time.

1291
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: But nobody hears us. Our platform is not as big

1292
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: as your work. That's such he's been saying that. I've

1293
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: been talked to like Las Vegas Metro Police Department, FBI

1294
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: dozens of years agoin they don't care.

1295
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Speaker 4: And imagine how many people have different stories about different

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Speaker 4: people that will never be heard because they just don't care.

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Speaker 3: And I just say, there's power in numbers, right, and

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Speaker 3: so it's until you get a bunch of people that

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Speaker 3: have the same story and this number becomes astronomical and

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Speaker 3: you literally call out the authorities. This man has been

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Speaker 3: arrested by the FBI. The FBI has pulled up to

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Speaker 3: Maria's job, The FBI has pulled up on Ramona. Why

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Speaker 3: is the FBI not doing anything? How many you're protecting him?

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Speaker 4: How many people have come forward so far? Would you

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Speaker 4: if you had to guess to me?

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Speaker 3: Oh my, the way my and the dms were so crazy,

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Speaker 3: like I'm talking about I mean, there were street dudes.

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Speaker 3: There were just you know, and again his.

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Speaker 1: Street dudes on Instagram they are listen, I did. Somebody

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Speaker 1: called me from jail.

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Speaker 3: I were like, okay, Like, I mean, the amount of

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Speaker 3: people that this man has touched and taken their money

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Speaker 3: or some way, shape or form credit.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been touched.

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Speaker 3: It's right. No people people were sending Jamie emails that

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Speaker 3: he allegedly was like business partners with and they were like,

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised this man is still alive.

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Speaker 2: Wow, exactly, he's basically Listen, you said, the FBI, like,

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Speaker 2: why aren't they doing They take a little time to investigate,

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Speaker 2: So don't be surprised you've seen it. Have they come

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Speaker 2: after him? Especially it's been two years since he took

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Speaker 2: your car.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years since he's been doing this. I guess the

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Speaker 1: one person who came forward who had, like I guess,

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Speaker 1: information from like two thousand and three to four, Like

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Speaker 1: it's been twenty years that we know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be surprised if the FBI, I guess slow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they moved slow, but they might come.

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Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I have been told that he's an informant. Well,

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Speaker 3: but the thing is, so that's why, right, I don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I'm not, but I can

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Speaker 3: when when you do something on this platform and magnitude something,

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Speaker 3: I just feel like something has to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's too public.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, we're gonna definitely I cannot wait to

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Speaker 4: see this documentary.

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Speaker 3: And I can't wait for you to come to land.

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Speaker 4: That cannot me, I was gonna say, And I cannot

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Speaker 4: wait till we go to court and you get to

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Speaker 4: see him face to face.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right there with you.

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Speaker 3: I see him before court, and.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna try to pull up to some of his

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Speaker 4: locations that he likes to go to where he gets spotted,

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Speaker 4: because I know as soon as somebody hit you and

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Speaker 4: say they saw him, you ready to jump up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and your bonding and everything.

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Speaker 3: I don't wear a bonnet, by might have a scorrephone.

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Speaker 3: It's our mess.

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Speaker 1: Don't let's talk about the hairline.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Eh, yes, yes, no, I mean I'm ready, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Were ready? Let's go. Let me know I'm pulling up.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it all right?

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Speaker 1: Well it's lipservis.

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Speaker 4: Thank y'all so much for joining and actually sharing your

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Speaker 4: story with us, because I really do appreciate it. But

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Speaker 4: you know we in your corner. Thank you, Ramona, thank you,

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Speaker 4: thank you, Jennifer, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to add one last thing, ladies, gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: if you have been scammed, please do not take it

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Speaker 3: in private. Go to the authorities, follow a police report.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if nothing happens, but at least get

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Speaker 3: it on record. So in the future you can possibly

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Speaker 3: do something about it, just don't don't take it in

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Speaker 3: and posted.

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Speaker 4: I think what Ramona did was great, Like make sure

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Speaker 4: that if somebody googles this person, it comes up, it

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Speaker 4: comes it left the record, because that's how y'all man.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, Well let's lip service. Thank you,