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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode four sixty three, Cooper Allen. I would

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Speaker 2: see this guy on TikTok and I'd be like, oh ya,

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Speaker 2: good people on TikTok. And eventually I started to see

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Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, and I was like, oh, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: That kid from TikTok. Now he's done so well. I

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Speaker 2: TikTok all the time. Well, also, he's a man now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's not really a kid anymore. Cooper Allen.

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Speaker 2: He's from North Carolina, and I think the reason that

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Speaker 2: I like him now as a person is I got

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Speaker 2: stuck with him playing golf. One day we did a

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Speaker 2: there's like a business thing and they were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: everybody's teamed up with certain people, and I got I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna say stuck because that's what I felt like at first,

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Speaker 2: because I didn't know these people. I got stuck with

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Speaker 3: We played golf like.

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Speaker 2: Four hours and then I stayed unless TikTok's longer. Dang, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't flip off immediately. He's really good and he's

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Speaker 2: big people in his camp as well. That's the thing

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Speaker 2: it themselves and then go on tour. They don't have

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Speaker 2: to have representation if they're already getting enough representation by

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Speaker 2: just putting tickets up. A couple things about him, he's

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Speaker 2: got feel like hell, that's out five ten January, over

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Speaker 2: March April May tenth. Yep, headed to my fingers and

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Speaker 2: so there'll be three songs there. He's got two hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty five million total streams, fourteen million social media followers.

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Speaker 2: A very talented guy. He's still a kid. He's twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: He's not a kid. No, not a kid. Okay. Here

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Speaker 2: he has followed him at Cooper Allen Music, his TikTok's

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Speaker 2: Cooper Allen won and I hope you enjoy like I did.

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Speaker 2: Here he is Cooper. Good to see again, Buddy, good

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Speaker 2: to see your brother. I was looking at this picture behind.

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Speaker 2: I to do a photo shoot today, which is why

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Speaker 2: I'm like four minutes late to my own house. You

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Speaker 3: I don't like the photo shoots. I like video shoots.

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Speaker 3: I don't like photo shoots.

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Speaker 2: Like we had to shoot a group one today with

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Speaker 2: These idiots will not stop tickling each other like they've

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Speaker 2: That's my and I'm coming from I'm I'm running hot

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Speaker 2: the need? Yeah, exactly, what's the need? Photoshop? AI? Me

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Speaker 3: You look good? You look good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have makeup on it. That's why I've

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Speaker 2: with you? Like, what's what's happening in your life?

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Speaker 1: Dude on the road? Yeah, you know, writing a lot,

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Speaker 2: Are you many weekends this year? Do you know that

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Speaker 1: We'll probably end up doing about one hundred shows. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: I saw that take Forever did really well over on satellite.

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Speaker 2: That's gotta be cool, right, it did.

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Speaker 1: It was it was my first, you know, my first

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Speaker 3: It is what it is, and it's my wife's song,

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Speaker 2: You wrote like you wrote it wrote.

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Speaker 3: It for her, Yeah, so like her. Halle's my wife's name.

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Speaker 1: So it's take Forever Prince's Halley's song, and I wrote

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the song is like so wedding version as is,

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, you can still wedding it up. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Well, wait till the one year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna ride out the wedding for as long

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Speaker 2: How long have you been married?

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Speaker 3: It was September of last year, so was that eight months?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Because when I was with you, you weren't married yet. No, dang, yeah,

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Speaker 2: is life any different at all? Did you've been married?

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Speaker 2: I've been married almost three years, so I'm a little

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Speaker 3: That's my wife. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: How'd you meet her?

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Speaker 3: We grew up together.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we didn't date till college. We dated like

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Speaker 2: So you knew each other in high school, but you

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Speaker 1: So I went to I went to Carolina, she went

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, here's the thing about those two schools,

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Speaker 3: Don't even say the D word.

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Speaker 2: But well, so when I go to if I'm anywhere

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Speaker 2: even the NC State folks, they start yelling stuff.

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Speaker 1: State hates us more than I've ever seen anybody hate anything.

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Speaker 3: And I hate State.

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Speaker 1: I hate Duke a lot but like State fans cannot

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Speaker 2: It's a little man syndrome. It's why we at Arkansas

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Speaker 3: I didn't say it, you did.

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Speaker 2: No, It's exactly what it is because I have it

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Speaker 2: in sports, like we hate Texas. Why because Texas is bigger,

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Speaker 2: They've had more success. Yeah, they have more money. So

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Speaker 2: like we hate freaking Texas. It's why State hates you,

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Speaker 2: and it's white. Let's be honest. Why you hate Duke?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, let's be honest. We got more championships.

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Speaker 3: Bro okay, but I'm just we retired coach k twice.

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Speaker 2: That is funny. You did? Yeah you did you play basketball?

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Speaker 2: When did you start to play music or when did

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Speaker 3: Start playing guitar in sixth grade?

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Speaker 2: Why did someone give you one? Or were you like,

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Speaker 3: I was playing the trumpet.

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Speaker 1: That was like my first instrument because I was like

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Speaker 3: Abba, Are you serious? I'm being dead ass?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Who then was around you to expose you to

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Speaker 3: It's just there's nothing cool about it.

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Speaker 2: Did you learn to read music to the point where

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Speaker 1: I could read a little bit, because you have to do,

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Speaker 1: have you heard AB's greatest hits?

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Speaker 2: What did you want to play then when you picked

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Speaker 3: Did?

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Speaker 1: We got Guitar Hero on the PlayStation two, Guitar Hero too,

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Speaker 1: and it was just like it opened me up to

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Speaker 1: a whole world of like fricking rock music.

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Speaker 2: Good for you for learning the guitar as you played

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Speaker 2: Guitar Hero. I have so many friends that excelled at

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Speaker 2: the hardest level of Guitar Hero, they would be a

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Speaker 1: Dude, I will I will take this to my grave.

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Speaker 1: Playing through the Fire and Flames on expert on Guitar

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Speaker 1: Hero is harder than anything on the electric guitar you

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Speaker 2: My wife is younger than I am.

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Speaker 3: How old are you twenty eight? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: My wife is thirty one. And so she will sing

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Speaker 2: songs that are from like sixties and seventies classic rock

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Speaker 2: I never heard of that band.

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Speaker 3: We practiced in my house?

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Speaker 2: Were you the below the line leader like, hey, we

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Speaker 3: We had some damn good years. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: For a moment, he did some fight for fighting.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even play that one. We played the Riddle,

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Speaker 2: You didn't do Superman now whatever that song.

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Speaker 3: Was, No, I can't. I couldn't sing that high band.

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Speaker 2: And what did you gravitate to? Is like your favorite band?

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Speaker 2: When you go to college, are are you looking for

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Well, thank you for making me feel better

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Speaker 3: It's a cool name.

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Speaker 2: It's still a cool name.

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Speaker 1: They didn't need me. And the first as I sat

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Speaker 2: I knew then music up in New York at all.

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Speaker 2: But did you play like any bars or anything in

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Speaker 2: New York?

445
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Speaker 3: Oh?

446
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,800
Speaker 2: No, nobody would let me different environment.

447
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just like, well, who was gonna let

448
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320
Speaker 1: me play at their bar? It's like I had nothing

449
00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:58,680
Speaker 1: to show.

450
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Speaker 2: So you moved from New York to Nashville? Or do

451
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Speaker 2: you go back North Carolina for a second for a year?

452
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Speaker 2: I guess don't.

453
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one more.

454
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Speaker 1: Year in Chapel Hill, got it, and then moved to

455
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Speaker 1: Nashville like two weeks.

456
00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:10,720
Speaker 3: After I graduated.

457
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Speaker 2: Exciting or scarier or both? Which one one more excitement

458
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 2: or more scared?

459
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:17,919
Speaker 3: More excitement?

460
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Speaker 1: But I mean the best part was like my friends

461
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,560
Speaker 1: were all applying to jobs back half a senior year

462
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to do anything.

463
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Speaker 3: Awesome.

464
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Speaker 2: What do your parents say about this, because, as you

465
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Speaker 2: know now especially, this is not the most stable of jobs. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: what do your parents say to you? Whenever? It's like, hey,

467
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Speaker 2: I just did four years at school, I just graduated,

468
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,360
Speaker 2: all right, time to go and hopefully make some tips.

469
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Speaker 1: Did They were just as pumped as I was, and

470
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 1: they knew that I was going to do it, but

471
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Speaker 1: they were They've been so behind this since since eighth grade.

472
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Speaker 1: My dad bought me a PA system and let us

473
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Speaker 1: practice in the garage.

474
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Speaker 2: You have siblings, two older brothers. Yeah, you mentioned brothers.

475
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Speaker 2: They have two, and you're the you're the baby.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So they're seven and nine years older.

477
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Speaker 2: Are they musical?

478
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Speaker 3: They like music?

479
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't play music or seeing now.

480
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Speaker 3: They were. They were both really good athletes.

481
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 1: My middle brother walked on the basketball team at Carolina Wow,

482
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Speaker 1: which was sick.

483
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Speaker 3: And then my oldest brother he got on.

484
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Speaker 2: He got on the teams to walk on. Oh yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: I mean you'd be really good. I know, like legit.

486
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: He was on it twenty eleven and twenty twelve. So

487
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Speaker 1: the year Kendall Marshall gets cheap shot out by Creighton

488
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 1: in the second round in the NCAA tournament, that was

489
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Speaker 1: a senior year.

490
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Speaker 2: You had all the inside information.

491
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Speaker 3: I know it was sick.

492
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 2: That's the coolest thing.

493
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Speaker 1: And I got the hand me down like Carolina Jordan

494
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 1: Brand shoes for high school games. Still didn't get girls.

495
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 2: That's awesome, And still didn't get girls.

496
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

497
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Speaker 4: Hank Tight the Bobby Cast will be right back Wow,

498
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

499
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Speaker 2: Why'd your current wife, like you familiarity from my school.

500
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 3: You might need to ask her familiar But.

501
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I know you're down playing a

502
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: little bit. You're a tall, good looking guy with talent.

503
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: But what what do you think it was about you?

504
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 2: They got her?

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm a pretty good guy, you know,

506
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: and we just we really did know each other so well,

507
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Speaker 1: and I always you know, we didn't date up until college,

508
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: but she was always like, if I could get her,

509
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: then I would drop whatever I'm doing and be with her.

510
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Speaker 3: I always felt that way.

511
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Speaker 2: Did you try to keep the friendship up, hoping for

512
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: it like a little crack in the damn? Like did

513
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Speaker 2: you have boyfriends and you would just like be a

514
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Speaker 2: good friend, Yeah, but you'd be there just yeah, yeah.

515
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Speaker 3: You need a ride anywhere?

516
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of got I got you. The problem

517
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: with that is sometimes you get too close and they

518
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: only see you as a friend exactly.

519
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the transition from friend to where we

520
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 3: are now. It took a little bit.

521
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Speaker 2: Good for you, you got the I know, when did

522
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: she When did she move out here?

523
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 1: She was six months after me. She moved out here

524
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: and got a job doing commercial real estate. Marketing and yeah,

525
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: that's cool.

526
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Speaker 2: Not creative, not any the creative industry at all, which

527
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: is awesome. It's very nice to it's some balance. Yeah,

528
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: so you don't freaking go crazy over things that sometimes matters,

529
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 2: sometimes don't matter at all. But she, like my wife,

530
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: does not she's not in the creative world, so she

531
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: can slap me sometimes be like this is not important.

532
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: You're putting way too much of like your creative your

533
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: emotional inventory and something that's not going to affect anything tomorrow.

534
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Speaker 3: I need an absolute ass kicking weekly and she gives

535
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Speaker 3: it to me. It's great.

536
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: What do you find when you moved to Nashville? What's

537
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: the experience? Was it like when you were an athlete

538
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: and you start to play the other school and you're like, wow,

539
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: these guys are really good. Did that happen here?

540
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, because I'd gotten pretty good a

541
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: playing in bars and I was good at entertaining a

542
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: crowd and all that stuff. But you move out here

543
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: and it is just it's going from high school to

544
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Speaker 1: the NBA. And but at the same time, everybody's so nice.

545
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 1: Everybody is very welcoming out here. That whole you know,

546
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: family and Nashville community, and you find people that you know,

547
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: give you advice, take you under the wing, give you opportunities,

548
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: let you play somewhere you know that that really exists

549
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: in Nashville. I think in a way that it, you know,

550
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: probably doesn't exist in a whole lot of other places.

551
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: I agree, it doesn't exist like that in La No

552
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: or New York. Yeah, you have to know know somebody,

553
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: and here you can get to know somebody and they

554
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: will help you out. The difference having to know somebody

555
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: and having the ability to get to know somebody and

556
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: they can help you out. Where's the first place you

557
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: played in town?

558
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: I played at a Wrangler pop up shop during CMA Fest,

559
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: like right off of the second or third. But I

560
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: knew a guy because Ranger was from Greensboro, which is,

561
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: you know, a town over from where I'm from, and

562
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: he just like gave me a slot at this Wrangler

563
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: pop up shop and it was like I was playing.

564
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Speaker 3: CMA Fest in Nashville is the coolest thing in the world.

565
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Speaker 2: How did you feel it went?

566
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, not everybody left. Some people left, but

567
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: the uh, Victoria Shaw was somebody who I knew before

568
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I moved to town, and like she came out to

569
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: that show and you know, I think saw some a

570
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit of something and my performance or whatever. Taylor

571
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: Phillips played after me at that thing, and like he

572
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: was a really nice guy. So it was cool, Like

573
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Speaker 1: it was a cool first Nashville thing.

574
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Speaker 2: I think when people moved to town, myself included. You

575
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: have those people that moved town around the same time.

576
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: It's kind of like your class, yeah, you know, and

577
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: with me it was like Dan and Shay, like I

578
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: knew them way early. It was and you know, four

579
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: or five different people that I think of when I

580
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: moved here, they also were here and we all started

581
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: to kind of bubble around the same time. That would

582
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: be like the class. Who is that class for you?

583
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: That also was like getting their feet wet in Nashville.

584
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's kind of it was sort of two

585
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: different waves for me. Like I had my move here

586
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: and play on Broadway sort of you know a couple

587
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: of years, and then once COVID hit and I got

588
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: asked in that six one five house project, that's when

589
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: I kind of found my class of other artists, you know,

590
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: like Alexander Ka, Thomas Mack Tiger, Lily Chris Rudiger ashually

591
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: cooked Priscilla. That was kind of when I met that

592
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: class of people.

593
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I like a lot of folks. I

594
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: guess I discovered you on TikTok, but I don't really

595
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: think of you as like the TikTok guy anymore. Which

596
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: is a great thing to graduate from. It's a big

597
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: it's a big part of your history. But I, you know,

598
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: until you said that, I forgot that that was a

599
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: part of the house. Thing was a part of it,

600
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: and that was a big deal. That had been weird

601
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: because you weren't living there, right, you were going and

602
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: working out of there, right, We were working.

603
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: Out of there, you know, a couple of times a week,

604
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: making content, getting to know each other and like it

605
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: was still still kind of COVID, so you couldn't really

606
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: do anything. Sure, but we could meet up at this house.

607
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: And whose idea was that? It was Chris and Ashley.

608
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: They came up with the idea actually cooked Chris Rudiger,

609
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: So they really came up with it. They spearheaded the

610
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: whole thing, found the house and.

611
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: Paid for the house.

612
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: I think they let us use it for free.

613
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: Maybe the house people did.

614
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was a wedding venue. They weren't having weddings.

615
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean this is something well, I think like

616
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: shoutouts and content.

617
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Let me live in house for shoutouts. This the greatest

618
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: rent ever.

619
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Speaker 1: This was Chris Rudiger negotiation skills. He's the one to

620
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: ask there.

621
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: And what did you find amongst that group? Light minded,

622
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: fresh minded Nashvillians kind of finding their place.

623
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just we all kind of had the same mindset

624
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: of like we didn't really have anything going on, you know,

625
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: or a whole lot going on before this. Now we

626
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: have this, and now we have this tool that we

627
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: can build fans and try to make something going for ourselves.

628
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. You guys embraced that way early. Yeah, and I

629
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: think you know, there has been that wave of TikTok

630
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: artist has gone from awesome to I don't know, now

631
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: it has to be. It's had different faces, right, Yeah,

632
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: and now it's not even cheesy or corny, which it

633
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: was for a minute. But before that it was just

634
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: cool because it's how you found Again, it's had all

635
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: these different iterations of what people feel about TikTok artists.

636
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: I compared it to like people on American Idol or

637
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: the voice that was that same thing, but now TikTok

638
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: is if you don't have a TikTok fault, you just

639
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: don't get signed.

640
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's you realize it's not just numbers. And

641
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: the whole time through any of it, you know, I

642
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: think myself and a lot of others saw it as

643
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: like these are actually real people that are paying attention

644
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: to us, and they're going to listen to our music

645
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: and now they're showing up the shows and so it's like,

646
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: you know, you can equate it to followings or whatever

647
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, but it's like you have fans.

648
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: If you have a TikTok following that actually likes your

649
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: music and that is translating, then you have a foundation

650
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: for something pretty special.

651
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: Do you have any videos you regret that you did?

652
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: Well?

653
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, there's one. Uh I forget when

654
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: this trend was. I was, but it's like me and

655
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: my wife were standing in the bathroom and it's like

656
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: you flick the light on with the beat and the

657
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: light turns off and it turns on and I'm wearing

658
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: her clothes and she's wearing mine, and like it was

659
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of weird, how how comfortable that'll last skirt was Yeah, I.

660
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: Get it made you feel it.

661
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that.

662
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wearing panties right now. But it's a who

663
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: different story for free Man. What about in that house

664
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: did you guys write together or was it creating content

665
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: just mostly like going in.

666
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, more creative content. Yeah, I mean we we

667
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: wrote together some, but it was mostly just creating content.

668
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: We all kind of had like our people we wrote with,

669
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: and we kind of just kept that as you know,

670
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: the TikTok stuff.

671
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: You're able to keep it a line there, huh said again,

672
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: you're able to keep it like a line between you know,

673
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: this is my TikTok group and I'm going to write

674
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: with other people.

675
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

676
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Who kind of popped out first? Was it Priscilla?

677
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: Priscilla was the first one, and I mean, got wait,

678
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: what a freaking pop that was?

679
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: It was so awesome to watch.

680
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: That was my question. How any jealousy amongst the group

681
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: was that ever? And I'm not asking you for names,

682
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: but was that was it ever like a bit political?

683
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: A bit I don't know, you know, when some people

684
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: start to pop, some people get jealous.

685
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: It was more I think for everybody like Look at

686
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: how big she is popping. I mean, look at all

687
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: that is doing now for us. You know, there's there's

688
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: hope for us to pop like that too, because we didn't.

689
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: You didn't even know it was possible until she did that,

690
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: And then like Janakis did his with Gone Too Soon,

691
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: and it just was kind of reaching this different level

692
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: of like song consumption that was like, oh, this isn't

693
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: just a little app anymore. This is like a major

694
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: player in the music business.

695
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Did you have a song or any musical content that

696
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: you did that early on hit really hard that gave

697
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: you some confidence that people like you.

698
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: There was some like there was some viral videos and

699
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: like that was cool, but they were all kind of

700
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: like cheeky stuff a little bit. It was when that

701
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: a song called New Normal that was like my first

702
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: viral song on TikTok, and that was really the first like,

703
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: holy shit, I've just got seventy five thousand Spotify streams

704
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: in a day and like an iTunes sharply, Yeah.

705
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

706
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Would you worry because you're funny? Would you worry that

707
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: sometimes people would just see the funny part of you

708
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: and not understand that you're also a serious artist.

709
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: No, because all of it, even like the goofy stuff,

710
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: it all had a purpose in my mind of like

711
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: getting more eyes on me, keeping me, you know, I

712
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: guess quote unquote relevant until like my next song popped

713
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: off or whatever. And I'm sure you worry about you know,

714
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: are they ever going to see past like a mashup

715
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: video or something. But at the same time, it's done

716
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: way more good for me than bad, so I can't

717
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: really worry about it.

718
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: How consistent are you now on TikTok about every day? Still? Yeah,

719
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: it's it's such a tool like me. Yeah, for both

720
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: tools not you come TikTok. You know, for me, TikTok

721
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: has been interesting because there was content that I used

722
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: to do that you used to do really well, and

723
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden that content wanted to do

724
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: so well anymore. And then I just, you know, I

725
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: felt like I was guessing, and then I was like,

726
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: screw it, I don't want to guess anymore. I got

727
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: with the idea of I just don't care. I'm just

728
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: gonna put up stuff that I like. Yeah, and that

729
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: has actually helped. That's been the best thing for me

730
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: because I don't need a lot of stuff on TikTok. Now,

731
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: no production, no editing. I just get up and hit

732
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: the button and talk, which who would have known what

733
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: I got successful doing is actually what I should do

734
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: on TikTok. And like I was like, you know, I'm

735
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: just gonna tell stories about my life in Nashville and

736
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: country music and artist stories and I have a good

737
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 2: little bag of those now and some inside. And so

738
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: the first one I did, it was about Garth and

739
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe this was It was like an

740
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: hour later, half a million, and I was like, huh,

741
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if I hit a weird algorithm. Maybe all

742
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: G words were getting a lot and me not figuring

743
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: out TikTok has been the greatest way to figure out TikTok.

744
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Of course, do you go.

745
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: Through those where you're like, okay, well now it doesn't

746
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: seem like this is working as much anymore. I need

747
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: to shift it, Like what is your process?

748
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: Just like battling through the valleys a little bit and

749
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: just you know, keeping consistent with it. But you know,

750
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: yours popped off, I think because nobody else was doing that,

751
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: you know. And anytime I've had something really do well,

752
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: whether it's a concept or like a song, or something.

753
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of because it's just a little bit different

754
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: than you know, anything else out there, whether it's like

755
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: an EDM country song or whether it's a three minute

756
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: matchup video. It's all just like you know, you're think

757
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: about people scroll and they're going to stop on something

758
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: that's like, oh wait, what's that?

759
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: I you know, I haven't seen that before, did you

760
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: feel like?

761
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: Because again I got into the bad habit of it's

762
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: got to be the more production, the better, and I'm

763
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: gonna be like, man, I gotta I'm gonna get read.

764
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: I got this, I'm gonna send it to read. Let's read.

765
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: I'd be like, read, put this headed on there, do that,

766
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: and we would work tirelessly on it because I'd be like,

767
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: the more, the slicker it is, and we'd spend all

768
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: this time on it and it would get It'd be

769
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: fine twenty thousand, yeah, fine. But then it's like I'm

770
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: going to cut off looking at the camera telling a

771
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: three minute story that doesn't even always make sense. And

772
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I just posted like I posted one this morning. I

773
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: haven't looked. I've had no time, so I haven't looked

774
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: at it to see if I had any any results.

775
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: So I posted it. Let's see what I got here? Okay,

776
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: almost forty thousand, like two hours ago, I haven't even

777
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: looked at it. It was the most the most trouble

778
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: in the dumbest troll ever been in. I literally did

779
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: nothing except go got fined a million bucks by the FCC.

780
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: One of the guys on the show went to jail

781
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: for a bit. We did. But the most controversy, the

782
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: stupidest controversy, was we did a song that we wrote

783
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: and everybody got upset about it. Was it the one?

784
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: But before that? Who is the smartest people in Country Music?

785
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Four hundred thousand views? Yeah, I haven't looked at that

786
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: till right now.

787
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: Who are the smartest people in country music?

788
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for asking. So this is where I started to

789
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: get some which is going to leave me to my

790
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: next question for you. I started to get some feedback

791
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: that wasn't pleasurable to read. Yeah, which is just hate

792
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: mail or hate dms. And I'm okay with that. I've

793
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: been getting my whole life. But I said, hey, these

794
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: are the three people that I would consider the smartest

795
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: people that I've been around in country music based on

796
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: my personal experiences. And so I listened about and I

797
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: listed on their.

798
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: I didn't get tagged, so I don't think of you did.

799
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: Not know you were fourth? Oh yeah, yeah, final Forest

800
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: five Yeah. Fourth. It was Dirk Spentley because every time

801
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm with him, he is reading a extremely thick book

802
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: that is like the fifty Laws of this or the

803
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: forty Rules of Like he consumes. He loves reading books.

804
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know that massive book nerd. Yeah, awesome, right,

805
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: but he doesn't really put that out there. But that's

806
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, I know, Dirk's a little bit. That guy

807
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: loves to consume literature. It's crazy. Matt ste Hell, who

808
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: plays I'm just I'm just a country boy. Which side

809
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: of the corn do I eat? However? When got his

810
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: masters and then was accepted into med school. But really,

811
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: but the guy, what do you want.

812
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: To talk about?

813
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: We want to talk about political theory? You want to

814
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: talk about medicine. His mom was a superintendent. He's brilliant, dude,

815
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: exactly exactly, so, I said, Matt Stell, And then I said,

816
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: for a different reason, Clint Black Because anytime, if it's

817
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: on the show or off the show that I've been

818
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: around Clint, if you're not ready, he will take his

819
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 2: sword of jokes and carve you up. You have got

820
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: to be ready to get in with Clint Black because

821
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: he is quick. And so I mentioned that whatever so

822
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: video did find pretty well, actually almost half million views,

823
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: and people were like, well, classic, you don't think any

824
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: women are smart? Okay, here's the thing. I didn't respond

825
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: to it. What women am I around all the time.

826
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: It's not like me and a married woman who's an

827
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: artist ever just hang out. I hang out with Matt

828
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: Stell or Dirk's or see Clint Black. I'm not around

829
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: with a bunch of married women just chatting it up.

830
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: That's not normal. I don't have I mean, I know

831
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: Dolly a little bit. I'd put her on there for sure,

832
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: but that's an easy one. But it's like I'm around

833
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: other dudes more than I hanging out with dudes more

834
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: than I am women of course, but people on TikTok

835
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: a kind of dicks. Some of them are not all.

836
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: But you have to deal with that too. At times,

837
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: do you get do the haters get you down? Or

838
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: have they got you.

839
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Down every once in a while, because I mean you

840
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: just everybody's human. You just kind of have those days that,

841
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: like one common will just get to you. But most

842
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: of the time it's like, dude, they're not going to

843
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: like you whether you do something that one or not.

844
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: And you know what, most people are actually really cool.

845
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Most are most really just that fringe one to three

846
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: percent that I got a community guidelined because I was

847
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: talking about this. You ever been community guidelined? No, hey,

848
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to go to that part of town.

849
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: That sound took my video down, big black mark on

850
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: my TikTok's community guideline. We pulled your video. Kind of

851
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: outlaw though exactly I'm the bad boy TikTok. Some dude

852
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: had said it, had written something in a comment it

853
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: wasn't good, and I just posted the comment and talked

854
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: about it, and I said, I don't have one friend

855
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: that's happy in their life that goes on anyone's social

856
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: media and says mean stuff.

857
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

858
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't even attacking him. I was like, I was

859
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: thinking about this, like why would someone write this? And

860
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: I started to think of my most fulfilled, happy friends,

861
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: and no one's happy all the time. But really like

862
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: people that like I look at their life and it's like, oh,

863
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: they have a healthy balance. They're not always right on.

864
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: Nobody is, but they kind of get it. They know

865
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: what makes them happy, what to pursue. None of them

866
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: go and write mean things on people's instagrams, tiktoks, facebooks, bro.

867
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: The saddest people I know don't even do that.

868
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying that. And that person went reported me,

869
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: said I threatened them and they community guidelined me. Hice's

870
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: the twist. It was you there we go. There's the twist,

871
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 2: noticed me, Bobby. What's happening with you now musically? Because

872
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: I feel like you had when I was watching you,

873
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: like there's a rocket ship, And I know you've had

874
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: people come to an offer you thing I don't. And

875
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: I know for a while you were doing your own

876
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: thing because you wanted to be real strategic about who

877
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: you partnered with. Where are you now in that still?

878
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still independent on the label side, Victoria

879
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: Shawl and I'm on this label together and we've been

880
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: doing that for years. You know, I've got killer management,

881
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: make wake.

882
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 2: Have the label deals not I've not been to where

883
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: you feel like they're advantages to you based on where

884
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: you are in your career.

885
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Yes, And we also haven't really opened those floodgates yet,

886
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: not that there are people hammering down our door every

887
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: single day.

888
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: But I know there are people that want you. I've

889
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: heard people talk about it. But if the deal's not right,

890
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: especially when you've created your own audience, your own fan base, Yeah,

891
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: why would you take a deal that wasn't advantage just

892
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: to your career exactly?

893
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: And for me, it's never been like I don't want

894
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: to deal ever, you know, I want to be independent forever.

895
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: All that stuff, I don't want to be.

896
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: But it's got to be the right thing, and it's

897
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: got to be something that puts me in a better

898
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: position than I'm in now. And you can just really,

899
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: you can do a lot on your own own now

900
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: until somebody wants to come in and really, you know,

901
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: take it to that next level without taking everything from you.

902
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: Not that those are the deals we've been offered, but.

903
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: I will make you a deal. I'll offer you a deal,

904
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: but I guess take everything from you.

905
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: Can I can I hang out at your house?

906
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, again you can.

907
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: Sweet.

908
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: I was looking at some ticket data. I think I

909
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: saw these. It sold like eighty or ninety thousand tickets. Dude,

910
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: that's crazy, And I may even be right with that number.

911
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: But that's a lot of freaking tickets. It's a it's

912
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: a lot. That's why you don't sign a record deal

913
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: unless they're giving you a great reason to.

914
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because what I mean, we're building.

915
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: We're building something that people want to come see live,

916
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: and for me, the live show that's always been like

917
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the most important part of it. And we're getting to

918
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: do that, and year after year it's growing. You know,

919
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: we're not at five thousand tickets to show yet, but

920
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: we're you know, we've gone from two fifty to five hundred,

921
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: eight hundred hard tickets.

922
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

923
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: That is the greatest compliment, even though it's a like

924
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: a it's a tangible thing that you can give to

925
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: an artist to say, hey, man, congrat you sell hard tickets. Yeah,

926
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of artists that have one, two,

927
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: three hits, but the hits and it's money, but they're

928
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: so generic that there's no attachment of the person to them,

929
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: so they do not sell hard tickets. So I was

930
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: looking at some of your stuff. You sell hard tickets.

931
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. I don't know why they show up,

932
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: but they do. Were you surprised? When was the first

933
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: time you put up a show that you were the headliner,

934
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: and were you nervous about that?

935
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: My first so we saw our first tour was me

936
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Thomason AKA, we co headlined.

937
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: Were you worry if anybody would come?

938
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: We had no idea. We had never.

939
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this was the case with the other two.

940
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I had never done a hard ticket show.

941
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: You know.

942
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: Mine was either play Broadway, play Tin Roof and Charlotte

943
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: from ten to two, like Theo's the only show, So.

944
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 2: Whether there will be people already there or hopefully there'll

945
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: be people that stop buying.

946
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember the second show on that tour

947
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: was we played in Louisville, Kentucky at this rock club.

948
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: Like it was not a natural crowd, you know, country place.

949
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: It was a rock club, and five hundred people showed

950
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: up to see us three play our own freaking songs.

951
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: And it was insane.

952
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we were hoping to maybe average hundred tickets

953
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: to night and we had some five hundreds in there.

954
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: I think we had one that was like eight hundred

955
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: somewhere in Michigan. And so that was really cool. And

956
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: then I did my first, like you know, sole headline

957
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: tour of the year after that and was the same thing.

958
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: It's just like people people are showing up and they

959
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: know the ship.

960
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's I mean, that's how you saw our

961
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: tickets because they know you, they know you, and they

962
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: know your music.

963
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

964
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

965
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

966
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: Do you ever go into your you're not your dms,

967
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: but like your super dms from people that aren't your

968
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: people that you follow, I forget what they're called, Like

969
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: you're going to know better than I do. Requests? Do

970
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: you ever go into your request on Instagram?

971
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: I do not one. I think I got like scared

972
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 3: one time.

973
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: And place don't go over there. Yeah. Do you ever

974
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: get on Facebook?

975
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: Oh? Facebook?

976
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: I love Facebook, But in terms of like Facebook messages, yeah,

977
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: that is there are so many more scammers on Facebook

978
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: than anywhere else that, like, I feel like ten million

979
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: Cooper Allen's have reached out to so many people on

980
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: Facebook that I've gotten enough like people to message me

981
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: back like, yo, I got scammed. Can you do something

982
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: about it? You know, which sucks. I wish they would

983
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: do something about that, and.

984
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: I think they try, But what do you do when

985
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: they're being farmed out? Ten thousand of a time coming

986
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: up every day. I got one last night said that

987
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: my sister would message them, wanted to give them like

988
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: some tickets or something, and I was like, my sister's

989
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: not messaging anybody. Yeah, like they do sisters managers.

990
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: And they make it sound and look very very realized.

991
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I see how people can fall for it.

992
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I felt for it on my own. I was like,

993
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: Bobby wants to work with me? That's crazy. Here's a

994
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. How often do you write.

995
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Every damn in town? Pretty much? So like it'll usually

996
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: end up being two to four days a week.

997
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever write by yourself?

998
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll start stuff by myself, but I've I really really

999
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: like the co writing process, and like for me, I'm

1000
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: so like, maybe it's because I'm type a while also

1001
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: doing creative stuff, but like I like going to a

1002
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: writing appointment and writing from you know, ten or eleven

1003
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: to three or four, and then I try to kind

1004
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: of back off of it after.

1005
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: That, writt anything good lately that you're just like, man,

1006
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: this song.

1007
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: Nah, all shit. I Actually I've got some stuff that

1008
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: I feel really good about.

1009
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: There's a difference in a good song or maybe it's

1010
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: a song and something you're like, Oh, I need to

1011
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: send this to people right now because I love it

1012
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: so much. Yeah, I mean you yourself. Have you had

1013
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: any of those moments with songs in the past few weeks.

1014
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: They're a handful I'd say like four or five that

1015
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: at least to me or like, this feels so me

1016
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: and it feels like something that will really hit people

1017
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: in a big way. And you know, half the time

1018
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: when you think that, they just flop or whatever. But

1019
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: there's a we got a good batch of songs.

1020
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: And so with Take Forever, are you guys still on

1021
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: that train? I mean, or are you on something else?

1022
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: We're kind of moving to the next thing, you know,

1023
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: whenever that next big thing will come out. I mean

1024
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: I still like I'm going to show up to a

1025
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: wedding this year and do the Take foreverything.

1026
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, obviously we played live all the time.

1027
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: I push stuff on socials.

1028
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: But I guess I ask because if I were going

1029
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: to like highlight one of your songs, like the National

1030
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: Countdown or something, what song would you want me to do?

1031
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: Well? If you did that, then I would I'd give

1032
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: you a big hug man.

1033
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: No, I like you, and I think you're really good.

1034
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that. And I was just finding

1035
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: a backway to ask you, like are you still on

1036
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: this song? And then randomly you'd get a message going, hey,

1037
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Bobby's gonna but now we've ruined that because you've killed

1038
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: the you know, the surprise. So what is so? Or?

1039
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: Do you want me to just wait until you put

1040
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: something else out? Dude?

1041
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think take Fevor would crush on that. Yeah,

1042
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: that'd be sick. And I could tell my wife. I

1043
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: feel like, remember, remember what we did, Mike, let's do that.

1044
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: I got it, dude.

1045
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: We'll put it on the next Yeah. So we're gonna

1046
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: feature on the National Countdown.

1047
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: Thank you? Man? What's sick?

1048
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: You're welcome, man, Damn, what's tay?

1049
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: I'll take you out to play McCabe?

1050
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you and me see you too much? You're too much?

1051
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: What's that? What's next? You are you? You have another

1052
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: you have more music they haven't released yet that you're

1053
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: ready to release or you're still working on what's next?

1054
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: We've got about three or four that I kind of

1055
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: want to package together, probably put out sometime this summer,

1056
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: and then the the goal is kind of moving towards

1057
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: my first full length project, which I think will likely

1058
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: come beginning of next year, So we're kind of we're

1059
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: kind of in that mode for the rest of the year.

1060
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: How many songs do you have fully recorded and produced

1061
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: it if you died today, they'd be able to still

1062
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: put out in your honor.

1063
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: That are unreleased fully produced fifteen twenty And.

1064
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 2: Would you prefer them to be released as one batch

1065
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: like the Cooper death tape or would you like me

1066
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: to dribble them out slowly?

1067
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: I would like, well, I want to know what's about

1068
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: to happen here, because very specific.

1069
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: I'm just asking. I would prefer mine to be dribbled

1070
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: out with the idea of I might not be dead.

1071
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: That's true.

1072
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, don't believe the rumors. I just need like

1073
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: one or two people to be conspiracy theorists that I've

1074
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: set up ahead of time. Yeah, like, no, he's not dead.

1075
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: He got another song, that's what that's how That way

1076
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: it keeps it alive.

1077
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just somewhere with pac Man.

1078
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, dude, I'm glad you came over. If you want,

1079
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: I can either wait, I'll do take forever. Michael's to

1080
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: take forever. Okay, it'd be sick. But then when you

1081
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: put out new stuff, let us know, and if it's good,

1082
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: we'll do some stuff with it. We'll play it.

1083
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: The cool thing is I know where you live.

1084
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: We'll get it. This is just a temporary Oh really, Yeah,

1085
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: I buy a new house every day and move from it.

1086
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. You build pickleball courts on the day.

1087
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I'm almost done with that, taking like two

1088
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: and a half months.

1089
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: That thing looks sick.

1090
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: Wait till it's done. It's going to have a real

1091
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: net and everything. Damn, I know.

1092
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: Are you building like grandstands?

1093
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: Now?

1094
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: I am there you go.

1095
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: I been thinking about that until right now. We have

1096
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: we have little things on the sides.

1097
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: We're pretty You played Cooper Allen Grandstand.

1098
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: If you die, you got it. If you die and

1099
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: I release your music, I will name the grandstands after you.

1100
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: Starting to sound awesome?

1101
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Good deal? You play pickle ball? I do?

1102
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: It's good right, Oh it's great. Man.

1103
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: I blew my back out like a couple of weeks.

1104
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: You can't blow something out. You are too young to

1105
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: blow something out.

1106
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I know I've got a narrow disc and my muscles

1107
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: are like pushing on a nerve there. So I'm off

1108
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: the swim laps now for the next like month, So

1109
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: no pickleball for a while. I'm off pickaball for a

1110
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm golf and everything. It's a shame.

1111
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: I tore my rotator cuff in two places. I've not

1112
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: played around a golf I think since maybe since we played.

1113
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: It's been, which has been maybe a couple of times

1114
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: since we played, but I haven't played really at all

1115
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: because I just killed my shoulder.

1116
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: But they said that's and then the most like painful,

1117
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: one of the most painful tears like that, and Achilles.

1118
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: I think Achilles as far worst. I had two small tears.

1119
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: It was throwing over and over and over again. So

1120
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: I could act all tough, but I'm not.

1121
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: It hurts practice or something.

1122
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: We were working out, so it started. We went and

1123
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: worked at with Florida State softball team sick and I

1124
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: was in full catcher's gear time and myself throwing with

1125
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: their team, seeing if I could throw runners out that's what,

1126
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 2: and so over and over again. And I hadn't thrown

1127
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: in months before that. And then went to Oklahoma State

1128
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: and did worke out with their softball team and their

1129
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: baseball team, and I was like, something ain't right. And

1130
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: then I went to work out with Arkansas and when

1131
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: I did that, I was like, it's dead. And so

1132
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: I went to the doctor and he's like, you've torn

1133
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: your rotary cup in two places. Luckily my labor wasn't good,

1134
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: was perfect.

1135
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: Has cal invited you out to a basketball practice?

1136
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: They haven't practiced. They just had their first team meeting.

1137
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: Wow, well they finally just got a team.

1138
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: They find it and he's got a roster.

1139
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: That's a great roster. Yeah, you took it.

1140
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: Better be for the amount of money we were paying

1141
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: for it, you know, and for him. But now they

1142
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: haven't practiced yet. Yeah, so listen, I'm not used to

1143
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: being the villain, meaning Arkansas is at times spurdy, really

1144
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: good spurdy, like we have spurts of being really good.

1145
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm not used to being the villain that has the

1146
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: big coach, the best players, we're spending I don't know

1147
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: how I'm gonna do. I don't know. I don't know

1148
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna like it or not.

1149
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1150
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: I think maybe if we win that'll just cure everything.

1151
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: But it's a little weird to me to not be

1152
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: the underdog.

1153
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: The loss has become a hell of a lot worse

1154
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: just being a Carolina fan my whole life. Like, if

1155
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: we lose, it is awful. If you win, it's cool,

1156
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: but it's not as cool as losing as bad.

1157
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: I hear you. I feel that way now, but with

1158
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: a bad team, so I'm always miserable. Yeah, So Cooper,

1159
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: good to see you, buddy, Thank you, bro.

1160
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: Good to see so.

1161
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get ready for the new music, let

1162
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: us know as well. They just let's just do it up.

1163
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm big on the Cooper team. I'm Cooper Allen. Let's

1164
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: go TikTok Cooper Allen one. What's up? You can't get

1165
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: Cooper Allen now even after your TikTok fame.

1166
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coop Brown was never available. It's a shame.

1167
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: But number more number one Yeah Instagram, Cooper Allen Music

1168
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: and then Cooper Allenmusic dot Com. I'm proud for you, man.

1169
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: You're really like you got you got a little knife

1170
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: when you're just cutting your way through and you're not

1171
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: taking it. You could have taken other things. And like,

1172
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: you know what you are as an artist. You're selling tickets,

1173
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: you're streaming. It's crazy congratulations on everything. I know at

1174
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: times it can be hard doing it by yourself, but

1175
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: better to do it by yourself and do it right

1176
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: than to take some bad deal and set yourself back.

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00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Dude, Thank you, Thank you for saying that, Thanks for believing.

1178
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: And you know people like you that do your own thing,

1179
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: your own way, it's it's inspirational to people like me.

1180
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: Thanks fire by me, just kidding, all right, Cooper own

1181
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: everybody can see somebody.

1182
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production