WEBVTT - Ep. 508: Not Your Daddy's Farm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.720 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.280 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for elk. First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.400 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com. F I R S T L I T 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.000 E dot com. Okay, everybody, this episode is dedicated to 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.800 Doug Durn. Oh oh, he's gonna eat this up, this 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.839 whole thing. Oh dude, stuck Durn's dream. That's because this 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.320 is a special edition called Ask a Farmer, but it's 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.520 not any farmer. We're joined by Will Harris, fourth generation 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.520 farmer of white Oak Pastor in Georgia, now author of 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.199 a book, A Bold Return to Giving a damn One Farm, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:10.080 Six Generations in the Future of Food. Will Harris is 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.400 the owner of White Oak Pastures, a holistically managed, regenerative 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.760 ranch and farm in Georgia's semi tropical coastal plane. You 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.560 guys raised how many different kinds of animals? Ten lay 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:22.080 them out for me. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:29.040 Real cows, hogs, sheep, goats, rabbits, and five poltry species chickens, turkeys, skinners, 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:29.640 and ducks. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.040 And you run your farm like a like an ecosystem. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.720 Here is an ecosystem, yes, and. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.160 You live recognizing that and you were We're gonna get 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.360 into great detail on this. But you guys, family's been 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.440 on the farm since eighteen sixty. Yeah, I'm the was 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:46.959 it eighteen sixty or sixty six. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.440 Sixty six? I'm the fourth. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.200 Generation, never left, never sold. You guys just been. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.640 There, We've been there. My daughters are the fifth and 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.520 they've got five little beady children who are the sixth. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:00.680 So the sixth generation is on. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.400 But the six year Russian hadn't contributed it. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.280 They don't do nothing nothing. It's just a testament to 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:06.960 kids these days. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:12.320 Right, But their parents, their parents are producers. Got it? 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.959 Our connection? We have the same agent, Mark Gerald. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.840 Yeah, he's great. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:20.720 Did Mark find you? 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.600 He did? He contracted us. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.399 That's happened to me twenty some years ago. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.840 And I told him that I couldn't write a book. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.880 I didn't know how to read a book. But he persisted, 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:38.320 and finally going to stop him. No, he don't stop him. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.800 He's in it to win it. Man. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.120 So when I met Mark, I thought I had it 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.160 all figured out. I was living in uh I was 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.960 living in Wyoming at the time, and I was already 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.160 writing a book and and I got a call from 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.040 my editor outside magazine. She said, hey, there is this 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.359 agent looking for you. I was like, shit, already got 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.680 an agent. And he was persistent. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:02:58.880 Man. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.560 He got a hold of me and he's basically, here's 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:01.359 how we're going to do this. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.600 Yeah. He hasn't changed a pit. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.040 Yeah, and he's like, this is And I was like, oh, yeah, 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.120 maybe someday I won't do that. He goes, no, no, no, no, no, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.800 no, no no, We're gonna do it right now, strictly like 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.640 week one, this will happen, Week two, this will happen, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.679 Week three, this will happen. I was like, let's see. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.280 I actually told starting to be like work. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.079 I actually told him no, thank you, I'm not interested. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.560 Really didn't. He talk to my daughter and she was 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.799 interested and had me become interested. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.880 Mark went to my bachelor party, did he I had 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.080 a week long bachelor party. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.880 Yeah. I don't know those glomorous. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:49.680 I wasn't either. So we're gonna get into all that. Uh, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.880 and it's gonna be big time, asked the farmer. I 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:58.880 got some real farming questions for you. Yeah, about land management, uh, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:05.160 animal wealth, fair, why things? Why things were done the 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.960 way they're done in the agricultural landscape for a long time. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:14.280 Why the agricultural landscape changed so much in the mid 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.400 nineteen hundreds. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.440 Right? Have I got the answer for you? 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.240 Why did things? Why did agg change so much in 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.120 the mid nineteen hundreds, And why are farmers some farmers 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.320 now beginning to look and think that maybe we had 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.360 things more figured out in the old days than we 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.400 do in the modern days in some of the trade offfs. First, 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.000 we got to talk about a couple of quick things, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.920 and I'm going to ask you about just general wild wildlife. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.520 I'm a cow's not cow's not condos kind of environmentally, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:54.960 I'm not you know what I mean. There's like this 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.359 whole faction of environmentalism that are anti Kyle. I'm not 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:58.960 among them. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:04:59.880 Good. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.520 Yeah, I'm like, I'm too much more pragmatic than that. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.880 I want to talk about wildlife onregenitive farms, clean farm practices, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.000 dirty farm practices. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.440 Right up my alley. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.200 Great, we're gonna get to all that. Yanni. First, Yann, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.040 you want your daughter got her first buck. My daughter 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:17.720 got her first buck. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.200 Yeah, yours after you kind of gave her first opportunity 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.240 away to your son. What do you mean she got mad? 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.839 That's what she likes to think happened. Is not what happens. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.480 That's not what happened when you told the story. That's 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.239 how I understood it. The buck was kind of getting away, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.960 did I tell the story? Yeah, but her and yeah, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.640 and as the book is kind of getting away and 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.520 as opposed to being like, Okay, we're just gonna let 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:47.480 him go over the ridge. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.200 We already did that one. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:50.280 We're gonna get on him again. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.200 That already happened once. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.160 Okay, but you could do it. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.000 How many times you go bump a buck over ridge? 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:54.919 Go find it again? 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.880 Listen? I don't know. But but instead you said Jimmy 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.200 and shoot him. Hadn't even come out of your lips, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.279 and the gun went off, and what she thought was 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.920 her buck was now Jimmy's buck. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:08.200 Yeah. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.039 He's kind of a wild bill though, you know, like 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.640 if you say get him, he's gonna get him. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.800 Yeah, I understand. I understand. So you took her out again, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:18.200 and she got her first buck. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.040 Didn't even let her big brother come. I brought her 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.320 and her little brother. I brought her and her little 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.720 brother out and we had a great little hunt. And 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.640 on her sixth day, her sixth day of kind of 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.839 more than that if you count just camping traveling, she 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:39.480 put in her sixth day of actual like real good 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.680 wake up before it gets light out hunting, got a 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.200 buck and she was ecstatic. The one mistake I made, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.640 she hit a good hitting lungs, ran up there too quick. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:56.400 I should have said, let's just sit and wait to 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:56.919 come minutes. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.320 Oh it's still, because it was still. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.080 Then you get up there and it's like an know 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.800 what I mean, right, anything takes a minute to die, sure, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.600 I mean, you know usually and she hit it right, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:07.480 you know, she hit. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:08.440 It through the lungs. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.280 I just said, okay, now you wait a minute, then 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:12.640 we'll go up and have a look. And she'd gone 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.640 up and been like dead in the door nail. But 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.200 instead we hustled right over there and she caught it, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.120 and you know, you know then I'm like this always happens. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.600 It's just it's it's like normally people wait and they 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.040 don't even see that it happens. But we came up 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.040 and it's it's just it happens. They're gonna breathe for 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.240 a minute and they're gonna expire. And it's not that 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.600 you did anything wrong. You did everything right, but you 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.680 just witness the thing that would normally be out of 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.680 sight because it ran over the hill or you wait 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.160 a minute. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:43.040 She got over it. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.320 She's pretty upset. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:46.280 Because she. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.440 Wounded it extra harm, didn't hit it right, because she 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.880 just thought they'd go like in the Westerns, you know, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.040 the guy falls off the railing and he's just never 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.720 even twitches. I think that's what she was expecting. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.480 Any tears, yeah, the ones associate with that moment or 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.160 the tears of getting her first buck. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.280 No tears of that. She didn't hit it right. Yeah, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.120 it made it softer. Yeah, but then. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.760 Because I kind of started crying a little bit and 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.960 I was like, oh no, what happened? What's going on? 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.360 And she's just like, I just I can't believe I 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.520 did it, you know, like pure joy, you know, but 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.920 tears of joy. So no, yeah, she I was texting 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.360 with Corinn earlier about it, and she's she said, well, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:38.480 did any mixed emotions as none whatsoever, just like cools 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.160 of cucumber, happy and boked by it up to and 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.720 it was like, great, take some pictures, pet it, check 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.120 it out. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:46.160 You know what. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.199 I've a couple of takeaways. This is fresh in my 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.240 mind because it was not even twenty four hours ago. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.840 Is how when kids are around these dead animals, they've 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.560 seen a lot of them alive. They've seen our kids 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.120 a lot of them have seen a lot of them dead. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.400 But they go up to them and they are just 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.640 touching and feeling and checking from one end to the other. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.200 You don't know the tale, just like so. And I 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.000 think I don't know why, But as adults, maybe it's 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.600 because you know, you've already done it, seen a thousand times, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.400 and so you kind of skip that part. But I 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.160 didn't have to tell her to like, oh, take a 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.840 minute and enjoy the moment, like it was just naturally. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.960 She was just doing it. You know, look at the hide, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.040 look at the collar. Look how it's ten different colors, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.959 but when you stand away from it blends into one. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.320 And you know, just all these observations and you know, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.679 my daughter, you know, and she gets going. There's a 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.200 lot of words coming out of there. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.319 Maybe she's a future scientist. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.319 Yeah, artists, we'll see at some point. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.440 My kids are always really eager to see what's in 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.640 the stomach. Oh, and no amount of checking is going 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.199 to ever convince them that. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.640 It's the same. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.680 Totally look like it's gonna look like someone pull up 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.720 a bunch of the slaughter. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:02.720 She pretty much it herself. I did the I busted 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.200 open the sternom for so that it'd be easier for 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.240 her to see what she was doing, right, Because at 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.800 first I said, yeah, just reach in there, grab the track, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.600 you cut it off with your other hand, and yank 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.760 it all out, and she's like looking in there, and 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.480 you know you can't see anything. It's gonna be all 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.200 done by hand. So then I said, all right, let 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.439 me cut it open. Then you can see what you 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.560 got going. But yeah, she does the whole thing, and 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.200 she's like, all right, let's get the heart and the liver. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.839 So she got that. I point her in the right 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.080 direction there and it's all said and done. Buck splayed out, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.880 letting him drain. I'm getting ready to go get the 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.760 uh of the truck, and she's like, oh, can I 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.160 cut the stomach open now? 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.600 Like it's like this to find like a little person 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.080 in there. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.560 Or yeah, I don't know what it is, but it's 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.479 great to see that that curiosity. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.880 No, uh, I had so many observations helping my daughter, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.720 but the main one is, wow, stuff gets away. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.000 Oh yeah, that wouldn't have gotten away. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:06.080 Normally, no opportunity. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:08.040 You know what do you know what? 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.000 Oh, just you name it, you name it. It's just 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.800 a lot, it's a lot online. It's just get you know, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.959 it's like it's over there and you gotta remember this. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.760 And then we did the thing too, dry firing, dry 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:22.560 firing on it. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.160 On the animal, just everything. Yeah, no, it's a great, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:26.880 great thing. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.040 We saw some you know, something dough too far away. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.239 We just dry fire on it just to Yeah. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:39.040 It's just it's anything that you do that's uh, I 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.240 don't know a skill like that. In the beginning, it 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.319 seems like it's so complicated. There's so many moving parts. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.120 There's so you know where you and I just will 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.760 naturally just shift our whole body as you shift behind 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.120 the gun. But for them it's just not natural, right, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.520 It's it's that and it's just refinding the animal and 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.959 the scope and I mean she's an hour into the Huh. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:01.960 She's like, I think you would have already shot one. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:08.560 I'm like, yeah, maybe, yeah, there's just there's just a lot. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.520 But I think I noticed that too. But at the 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.840 same time, I was watching her yesterday and I'm like, man, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.520 her muzzle control is I don't want to say impeccable, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.440 but it's getting there. And just like the way she 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.960 handles the firearm is getting really good. Like there's no 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.080 like looking at the bolt and going how does this 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:26.480 thing work? 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:26.800 Again? 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.240 Right, there's just been enough repetition where it's all clicking 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.319 right along and you can see and even like dealing 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.719 with it. Even though she's never gutted one, she's been 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.520 part of that enough and she's skinned enough and done 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.520 all those little pieces that it didn't take us that 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.960 much longer. You know, then I would have gutted it. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.600 I mean maybe twenty minutes instead of ten. But you 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.600 can see. I think down the line it won't be 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.240 too long until hopefully, if they keep practicing it, that 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.160 you won't even need to say anything. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.559 Just hold a leg. You know, when you get into 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.960 a hunting technique, there's all these things like you can 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.400 go on and you hear people talk about, you know, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.680 people instructional people to be like, oh, there's like fitness, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.160 you know, there's marksmanship. I mean there's a lot of 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.280 other stuff that no one's put a name to and 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.720 no one talks about. But it's just how to be like, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.000 what does a deer look like? That ain't gonna stop? 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.720 What's the deer look like? That's gonna stop in a second? 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.880 Yeah, you should be ready to shoot it. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.640 It's just all this stuff. You're like, you realize, like, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.520 no one's ever put this in the way. No one's 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.040 ever put in the words like what is a deer's demeanor? 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:40.120 You know that deer is heading this way and he's 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.920 clueless that deer does that? Does that see about something 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.839 that happened a little while ago and he's kind of 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:49.600 getting over it? 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:51.400 Yeah. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.280 I always have a I don't know what it was, 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.920 but when I was at hunting last week or the 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:02.880 week before, it's like every every buck was kind of 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.080 like tuned up, and every time I'd be like he 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.360 sees us, and I'm like, no, he doesn't. He's just 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.760 you know, but it was upset about something earlier, right, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.800 Or he's just keyed up and he happens to be 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.360 looking in that direction, and I happened to be there. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:16.880 And you watch him for a minute, and then all 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.320 of a sudden, he's looking somewhere else and he's given 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.200 that bush the same look that he just gave me. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:22.880 Yeah, we would get into that a lot. He was 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.880 looking she's looking at us. I'm like, well, she is, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.320 but she's not. Yeah, right, that's exactly. She's just looking 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.720 at something past us. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.440 But if you wave your arms right now, right at. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.560 Us, it won't be coincidental. I had some other observation. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.600 I was just saying, Oh, did you carry your daughter's gun? 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:40.240 I did not. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.720 I have okay, Ina, See, I'm so much meaner to 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.040 my boys than my daughter. So I was carrying my 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.000 daughter's gun and my older boy found out. I heard 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.280 him like, I heard him like, he carried your gun? 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:55.240 Are you kidding me? 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:57.600 Well? 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:04.080 Yeah, nicer to hear her name to you real quick. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.280 On the subject of land ownership. So to return to 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.080 my favorite subject, We've gotten more mileage out of the 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:16.120 Wyoming Corner crossing case than any other thing to ever happen. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.600 I've gotten a lot of great feedback from that podcast, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.960 just text saying how great a lawyer. Yeah, with a lawyer. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.040 How great it was to hear him lay it all out. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.400 You know a lot of people I was noticing because 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:29.640 we have the video of that on YouTube. A lot 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.440 of people watch that on YouTube. The corner crossing lawyer 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.400 speaks out. Someone wrote in this is a land surveyor, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.680 wrote in backing me up on a point. I got 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.440 one guy taking me to task, and I got one 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.480 guy backing me up and response, this is him writing 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.800 in response to your recent episode with the lawyer from 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.160 the Corner Crossers, I think it's important to get a 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.160 little insight from a land surveyor my profession for quite 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.320 some time now. There's something Steve said in that episode 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.840 and several other times discussing this issue that cannot be overstated, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.080 he continues, and that's that this was a surveyed and 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:15.320 verified corner, Meaning the much debated, contentious corner in Wyoming 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.600 that led to this corner crossing case, who knows could 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.960 wind up in the US Supreme Court, was a certified 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.920 and verified corner. So when these individuals use this ladder 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.520 to jump corners and stay on public land while crossing 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.120 over two corners of private land, they were doing this 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.640 on a survey and verified corner. This individual, the surveyor, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.520 goes on to say, when most of the section corners 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.400 were set in the eighteen hundreds, it was marked by 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.720 either a nearby rock which was then carved and engraved 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.720 in a specific way, a pile of flat rocks they 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.920 found and stacked one on another, or they would cut 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.720 off a branch from a nearby tree and bury that 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.360 sticking out of the ground and dig four holes round 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:05.280 it one due north, east, south and west. Many of 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.359 these original section corners have been replaced with more modern monuments, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.520 most often a three inch aluminum cap on either a 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.080 pipe or a piece of rebar pounded in the ground. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.159 You see these quite often, but others have not knowing this, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.760 unless you know exactly what you are looking for, and 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.840 more importantly, where you are looking for it, you are 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:37.439 not going to find the section corner. In his career, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.800 he's dealt with the buried branches sticking out of the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.600 ground and has noted they last about a year or two, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.360 you think. Also on Cal's comment of the surveyor's thinking 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.400 when setting a corner, a surveyor saying to himself, there's 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.359 no way anyone is going to use this. He says, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.040 that does happen, and I found record of at least 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.320 one instance where the surveyor quite literally said about here 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.399 surveying sections is supposed to be a perfect grid with 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:15.040 lines running true north south in east west, with intersections 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.480 every five, two and eighty feet, but that is never 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:23.119 ever the case. Finally, on the comment, he says, I 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.560 can't remember who said it of on X not being 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.199 one hundred percent accurate to take you to the section corner. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.080 I personally have witnessed on X being forty feet off 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.160 their sectioned corners. But what he goes on to clarify 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:41.240 not is gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna paraphrase him. This 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.959 isn't even a non X issue. Your phone isn't Your 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:52.640 phone isn't that accurate. Your smartphone isn't really accurate much 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:58.600 better than a sixteen foot radius. So for you to 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.000 be jumping corners based off of your phone, or to 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.040 be trusting fences, there's how I accurate the information and 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:15.320 how I accurate the phone. Sincerely, Lanserver. Another guy reached out, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.600 I was saying that I could always look at a 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:17.080 feller and. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.840 See hold on, I got a quick little retort to 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.320 him or retort him. Not so much that, but I 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.560 just wanted someone to clarify this. When I read that email, 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.639 I got to thinking, well, if the landowners there have 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:37.159 set fences, aren't they in some way saying this is 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.320 where I believe this corner is and sort of setting 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.120 a precedent of where this corner is and has been. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:44.679 They're not. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.560 No, I saw a fence the other day that was 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.280 wildly off because for him to make it on his 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.920 borderline like in this case, it was to the advantage. 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.960 It was to the the advantage of to the advantage 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:03.640 of was it. No, no, no, no, Sorry. We were where 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.040 BLM came up against the ranch yep, and it was 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.000 a bunch of it was a bunch of bad lands, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.879 and he owned a bunch of the bad lands. But 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:19.119 just ran it sure along the bench and there was 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.320 corners in there, and it was like and you went 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.159 up to it thing and and it was just a 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.840 matter of convenience where you run fences. So I don't 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.440 think that. I just think that, like these things weren't 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.800 on anyone's mind, you know, no. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.800 One hundred percent. No, I'm just trying to figure out 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.440 like in because everybody because they're saying, yeah, don't try 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.960 to cross this corner unless you have go and have 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.359 it surveyed. Right, But I'm just saying, if it was 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.439 let's say it wasn't bad Lands, and you're in a 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:53.439 prairie and someone has set these this corner to the 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.720 best of their knowledge, can we always agree that it's 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:58.320 to the best of our knowledge you're going to cross 0:20:58.359 --> 0:20:59.600 the corner where the corner is. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.120 In looking at what these fellas are going through into Wyoming, 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.240 you would the assumptions about anything. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.840 But I think what Yannis is, what Yanni is saying 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.640 is that, like if whether that placement of the fence 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:21.040 is in actuality, uh, the right corner or not, the 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.200 point is that that landowner, whether it's to the benefit 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.200 of the public or to the benefit of himself, put 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.360 something there that is like the physical signifier to anyone 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.560 who might be thinking to cross that. That's right. So 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.919 it's like the intention behind it, right, You're not to understand. 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.080 But if you're going to go into a court in 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.119 this case, going to Wyoming, and there's a guy saying 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.920 that he's taking you to civil court over seven million dollars, 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:48.880 I'd like to think that I was on a surveyed 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.280 corner and not have an added wrinkle beat buddy, that 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.440 that fence and even on my corner you can have 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:59.400 the landowner to Yeah, I mean I think there's two landowners. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.480 I mean the fence thing is like completely arbitrary, Like 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.680 you could you could just build you know, if you 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.199 owned a ranch, you have every right to build a 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.400 you know, a section of fence wherever you want on it. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.560 Right, and in this corner was this morn is not even 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:13.600 fence that we're talking about. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.640 Yeah, And it's so it's not like it's you can't 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.680 just assume that because the fence exists, that's where the 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.479 private landowner believes the boundary is. 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.119 Like, that's a pretty big leap of Maybe it's his 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.440 neighbor spence. Yeah, might be his spence, or it might 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:28.240 be the governments, or. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:31.040 The previous owner built the fence, and the previous owner 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:31.479 didn't know. 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.919 It's just you seem to see who they sort of 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.920 eventually they're gonna have to say, hey, it's someone's responsibility, Yeah, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:40.480 to get these things surveyed. 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.280 I can see all kinds of implications. One of the 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.040 implications I can see down the road is if this, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.560 if this goes and it gets like just settled in 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.600 some outright way, Yeah, I'm not doing any corner crossing 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.760 because I'm too it's too it feels too up in. 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:52.240 The air. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:55.480 Until it's further settled. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.639 I'm saying, if it ever got settled, if it was 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.920 just settled and the courts decided and it was lit 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.840 gated and the law the land was laid out, that 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.879 corner crossing is legal, I would think that, like I 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:11.359 would be, I would be raising money. I would be 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:16.840 raising money to survey strategic corners, like to to find 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:23.760 to codify in very strategic locations those places. But I 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.000 just keep as people are getting in, you know, pushing 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.760 these boundaries. I just think it's I keep reminding people 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:35.399 that where this happened was a surveyed corner and that 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:40.440 you can't go by h you know, to really actually 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.600 be like placing your feet is very precise. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.680 Have you heard from like any of our game warned 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:50.040 buddies here in this in Montana if the if corner 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.600 crossing or trespassing is on the rise in like this hunting. 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.680 I haven't heard of anybody prosecuting it this year, and 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.240 there's no way it didn't happen this year, but I 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.600 haven't heard of it. Good would be a good question. 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.920 I want to move on. You find randal. Yeah, yeah, no, 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.760 there wasn't. There was a case up in h up 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.840 By Towns in a corner crossing case. 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.840 Yeah, there's and there's some other you know, like some 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.720 claims were made that the individual had trespassed. It's kind 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.719 of I think it was still the details were fuzzy 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.399 for a little bit while the while the legal system 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.000 sorted things out. I think the charges were dropped, but 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.879 that was like in the in the headlines, it was 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:30.480 sort of a corner crossing. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:33.240 Related dispute. 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.280 But I don't really know enough about it to get 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:36.119 into the details. 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.960 Now, I know in this state there is an organization 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:43.960 gearing up to fight corner crossing mm hmm. And there 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:47.679 they're getting ready to spend spend money on a public 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.440 campaign to turn people off to the idea that you'd 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:56.840 be able to corner across. I have posited, is that 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:57.800 the right use of that word? 0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:58.720 Yeah? 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.199 But I can look at a fell and tell these 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:08.280 snores now with with nine accuracy, do you think will 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.440 I'm not gonna do that? Well, I found out recently 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.200 that I was at a ear nose and throat doctor 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.040 and they measure your neck and they're measuring my neck 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.320 like like you're at a tailor. And I said, what 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:21.639 do you measure my neck for it? And they're like, 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.240 has to do a sleep apne issues. I'm like, what 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:26.159 do you mean? They said, a sixteen inch neck, A 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.680 sixteen inch neck is more likely to have sleep apnea? 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.119 Wait, is that like on the smaller end or the 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.320 larger end, like I gather it's larger sixteen inch neck 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.280 like around or like six inch circumference. 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.359 You know your waiste measurement from your parents, right, so 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.199 that's how Yeah, they just put it. They put a 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.119 tape around your neck and I was like, why the 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.239 hell are you doing that. Will's button his shirt up 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.040 and they were saying that that's a that's a they're 0:25:58.080 --> 0:25:59.919 trying to they're looking at how likely are you to 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.640 sleep apnea? And they said a sixth that they take 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.080 notice at a sixteen inch neck, So I thought was 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:07.200 really surprising. 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.840 And but it ends there or goes sixteen in up 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.159 sixteen and up got it? 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:16.080 Okay, Greater than sixteen is like some marker for them 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.520 to be like, oh, let's ask a bunch of questions 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:20.439 about sleep apnia. 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.360 Average is fifteen according to the Internet. 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.359 Now, this guy says reaching out because Steve mentioned in 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:28.560 an episode that he can now look at people and 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.320 guess if they have sleep apnea or suffer from snoring. 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.159 It's not all that far off. This is from a 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:40.520 dentist a dds. While we definitely see a correlation with 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.920 next circumference in sleep apnea snoring, one can also see 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.320 snoring in sleep apnea in the shape of the jaw, 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.159 which I didn't I also didn't know that's what I 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:59.439 was looking at him. Out over the past one thousand years, 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.959 we have seen that about twenty five percent of the 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:08.359 population has seen a gradual decrease in jaw size, both 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.360 maxillary and mandibler mandibular. 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.640 I think it's mandibular. He also didn't cite the source, but. 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.920 According to archaeological evidence one thousand years. Well, I know 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.800 it's getting a little science y. I really got you, Phil. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.720 Well, it's just it's mainly because Krein has it in 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.520 the notes that like, please say, this is just a theory. 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.320 Well, it's getting a little sciencey because over the past 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.280 one thousand years we have seen that about twenty five 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:40.040 percent of the population has It's like, who a thousand 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:44.560 years ago? Oh, I guess skeletal remains. Okay, I'm gonna 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.040 take it him at face value. He's a sign, he's 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:51.000 a doctor. Well, dyes, you know. According to archaeological evidence, 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.320 he goes on. One thousand years ago, there was much 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.359 more room for teeth, including wisdom, and there was not 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.480 as much crowding in tea as we see now. The 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.600 working theory is that because we have domesticated the majority 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.200 of our food supply and have selectively bred for hyper 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:12.359 palatable and easily chewed foods, the body no longer needs 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:17.399 to build a large lower face to support chewing dense materials. 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.359 If you're wondering what that is, that's that plain ass, 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.879 boring chicken breast that we get served all the time. 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.480 I'm finding myself clenching right now. Accentrate my jaw. 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.160 You don't have to because you chew on elk so much. 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:40.960 I can't read like this. So the smaller jaw and 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.240 increase in overall size of the human Oh so, okay, 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.360 we've gotten bigger, jaws have gotten smaller, has created a 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.800 mismatch that's interesting and has pushed the tongue into the 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:56.440 back of the throat, thus creating a more collapsible upper airway. 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.600 This produces snoring and sleep apnea. We treat the disease 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:07.040 with either a sea PAP or what I do, a 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.560 mandibular repositioning device. 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.600 Hope this helps, which is a night guard. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.000 I wonder if that tongue going farther back into your 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:23.160 airway there, if that makes it harder or easier to 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.400 to uh what's the term when you're diving and you 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.640 gotta oh clear clear. 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:33.800 Yeah. This is an argument that if you want to 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.480 stop snoring in this country, cut your jerky with the grain, 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.480 not against the grain, you know, get in the gym 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:42.520 and do whatever. 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.440 You get some you know, like a those band, the 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.240 resistance band, and train your jaw. 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.040 Yeah, or just put jerky in the gym. 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.800 I'm just I'm just hypothesized, and that that may be 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.440 why y'all talk so funny. 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:14.800 Nailed it, Okay, last bit of last bit of feedback, 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:16.200 and then we're gonna get onto it. We're gonna give 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.480 our guests is due, is at this point overdue a 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.320 lotment of time. Here's my thoughts on why Steve is 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.320 wrong about gluten allergy and conservatives. Now, I was recently. 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.840 I have been saying for years, and I've been stating 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:35.920 it as though it was a fact that I felt that. Well, no, 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:44.959 I acted like I had read this somewhere. 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.719 You ready in your diary. 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.360 I felt, just by my exposure to the world that 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.920 I felt that the gluten allergies were decided, like like 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.640 the left leaning people had a far greater likelihood I 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.920 had in gluten allergies, so much so that I didn't 0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.719 bother to look it up. Well, Spencer looked it up. 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:05.720 And conservatives are more likely to believe in ghosts, also 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:10.280 surprise me, And the conservatives are far more likely to 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.520 order their steak medium rare, and they're no more likely 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:20.479 to have a gluten intolerance. You're at the medium rare thing. 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.520 The medium rare thing is overwhelming medium rare. 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:28.440 But you know, all of like well, in at least 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.520 in South Africa, everyone likes their meat cooked. 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.480 Probably because probably because of food handling. And you know, 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.800 I mean anywhere you go in the in the can 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.280 you still say developing world? What are you supposed to 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:39.600 call it? 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:40.720 I think so. 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.800 Anywhere you go in the developing world, man, there's a 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.480 lot of overcooked stuff. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:50.000 Yeah for a reason, Yeah, fall on the meat temperature scale. 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.640 No, no, no, he just said what the most common 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.400 so in in the most common ordered steak is medium rare. 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.920 But it winds up being that like like conservatives or 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.680 sixty four do you remember what it was? Sixty four 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.880 percent more likely to order a medium rare steak. Anyways, 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.520 this guy goes on to say I didn't know this. 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.600 He says, there's a conspiracy theory floating around or No, no, 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:20.440 there is a conspiracy theorist level correlation. I got to 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:26.600 unpack that sentence. Yeah, Krins trying to throw in hyphens 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.880 to make it may more, just to put some she 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.120 just randomly throwing hyphens in there. There is a conspiracy 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.880 theorist No, you did the hyphen in the real place, right, 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:42.840 There is a conspiracy theorist level correlation between the consumption 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:48.880 and exposure to glyphosate commonly marketed as round up. Is 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.040 that is that? Farewell? Did I say that? 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:51.320 Right? 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:56.440 That glyphosate is round up? It is round up? Uh, 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.000 the only widely available glypho say, or is it just 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:02.200 that's just a product name? 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:02.960 They had. 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:09.600 They had the the patent that molecule for a long time. Okay, 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.000 and I think there may be some knockoffs, but yes, 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.160 they own that market. 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.920 So like round up, you would say is gleipel. 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.520 Yeah, which used to be Moncente. There's now bear, got it? 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:24.800 Bear? Mhmm, there's a Okay, and I can read that 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.920 part again. To my understanding, the more exposure to round 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.480 up you have. Now this now we are way into 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.160 areas where I am not here to verify any of this. 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:35.760 I'm not saying it's just because I'm not saying this 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.360 from a legal exposure standpoint. I'm just saying this from like, 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:46.720 I don't know this. This gentleman, uh Whalen. Of course, 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.160 this guy's name was Whalen. I love this guy. To 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.200 my understanding, the more exposure to round up you have 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.960 the higher chance of developing a gluten allergy. Then he 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.040 goes down to say, if we are making far fetch correlations, 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.880 to which I would say, are we? If we are 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.160 making far fetch correlations, then it is easy to assume 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.680 those in rural areas, farmers, land managers, and general folks 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.560 living around farms and ranches are at a higher exposure 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.200 rate of glyphosate due to farming practices and availability of 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.960 the chemical. I once walked into our local egg office 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.880 to get some mean chemical that you needed a permit 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.400 to buy the nice. This is not me, this the 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.920 gentleman that rode in. The nice lady asked me what 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:33.880 account to put it under, and after listing four different farmers, 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.280 we found one that had a permit. After I paid, 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.319 I called my buddy whose account it was on, to 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.040 tell him what I did, and his response was, I 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.040 got a barrel of it. You should have come and 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:50.040 gotten what you needed from me. To wrap up the correlation. 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.680 If we believe, if he says, if we like bringing 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.880 me into this, if we believe that roundup causes gluten intolerance, 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:03.719 and by which he means it, he believes roundup is 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.839 widely available for rural folks. Most rural folks are conservatives, 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.040 then it's easy to see more conservatives would have a 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.560 gluten analergy. My source on my theory. 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:18.720 Here we go finally, his mother in law. Of course, 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:23.640 no one person, one subject, my source on my theory. 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.840 My mother in law spent twenty years living in a 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.239 bottom surrounded by crop farms. Now this is this is 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:33.600 the best detail of this whole letter their guard. This 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:40.719 is incredible. What they would need to tarp their garden 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:47.120 when the surrounding farmers were spraying crops because wind drift 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:53.719 would kill the garden. He goes on to say she 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.120 has a gluten allergy. What else could it cause that? 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.840 And she goes on to say that in terms of 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.280 her political leanings, she has three flags, a du flag, 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:12.839 Old Glory, and a Trump twenty twenty case closed. That's see, 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.520 he's just a scent that instead of sending to us, 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.760 he should have sent that to the journal science. 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:18.879 Yeah, I think the USDA. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.960 Maybe he could have gotten that. He's just sent that 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.320 to a peer reviewed. 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.960 So then you know, somebody should calls attention to the 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:32.000 fact that golf courses, municipalities, parks tremendous amount around up 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.600 as she used in the non ag sector. Incredibles, they're 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:40.839 labels for it either, they're not AG labels. So yeah, 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.880 I'm sure more of it she used in the fields, 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.080 but a lot of it she used in municipal situations. 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:50.560 Since ron that subject, let's talk about I want to 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:54.880 ask you some questions about herbicides. Uh, just on the 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.360 thing of Ronald, I have one's had it. Tell me 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:57.920 a guy, tell me and you might be able to 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.920 tell me how true this is. That one roundup became available. 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.800 Its promise was that it was that it was less 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:11.200 toxic than coffee, absolutely, and someone saw me that you 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.000 that that that people would take a sip. 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:19.759 I've seen the Monsanto rip take a sip. Yes, okay, 0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.160 so that's true in the early seventies. Y, yes, I. 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.719 Heard that was true. And that was the thing is 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.040 like if there was dangerous you know what, I do this. 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.120 Well, but nobody really worried about it being dangerous in 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.720 that era, but they would do it just to show 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:41.279 how safe and uh benign it was. Yeah, I remember it. 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.080 You probably used it in your career quite a bit. 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:48.759 Oh yes, a lot. And we're not without gloves or 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:54.440 masks or goggles or any of the covering. It was 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.960 just a matter of fact. I was in the custom 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.680 spraying business for a period of time when I was 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:05.080 uber industrial spraying crops, and I had people hired to 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:10.319 sprayed round up another purposide and such as pecicide you 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:11.680 know what side means, right. 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:24.040 And fanticide, fracture, sideticide, homicide, kill kill, you know, we 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.120 ought to start besides the round up as I think 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.520 we should start with the history of you guys, your farm. 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.799 That probably be a smarter place to start because you 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:37.920 made a very deliberate You brought your family farm through 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:42.239 a very deliberate transition. Can you lay out the trajectory 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.360 of your family farm over time, sure, and how it 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:53.160 naturally evolved and how it evolved somewhat forcefully under your tenure. 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.960 So my great grandfather came to that farm in early 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:02.400 County Georgia in eighteen sixty six and farmed it, followed 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.080 by his son, my grandfather, who farmed it. If they 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.400 would have farmed, we don't know too much about the 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.480 way they farmed, other than just anecdotal what people did 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:18.759 in those eras, but it would have been multi species 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:25.960 with a lot of certainly without dependence upon chemistry. My 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.400 dad took over the farm. He's born in nineteen twenty. 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.400 He took over the farm in nineteen forty five, after 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.560 the World War Two, and that was when farming really changed. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.839 My dad was part of the leadership in our part 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:46.680 of the country that industrialized, commoditized, centralized agriculture. It was 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.080 very successful with it and went from a monoculture of 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.680 a lot of different species of plants and animals to 0:39:53.920 --> 0:40:01.239 a monoculture of monoculture today of only cattle, coastal monoculture. 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.320 You're from with poly demono. 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.120 Poly demono. My great grandfather and grandfather would have had 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.400 a lot of species. So my dad ran the farm 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.560 all his career. I was born in nineteen fifty four, 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.160 went to the University of Georgia in nineteen seventy two, 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:21.480 major National science. My dad industrialized the farm. I came 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.160 home and further industrialized the farm and ran it that 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:31.000 way for twenty years, and it was financially comfortable in 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:35.000 the mid nineties for a number of reasons, I started 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:40.560 to rethink things pretty quickly and did, and for the 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.960 last twenty five years I've been running it in a 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:48.239 man of that without intentionally copying them. But a mound 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.319 that resembles what my great grandfather and grandfather did a 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.160 hell of a lot more than it resembles what my 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.120 dad and I did. 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.759 What was the what was the trick? Like? What were 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.080 the things you were seeing on your family property that 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.480 that prompted you to rethink your approach to agriculture, and 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.120 it also you might as well define define your approach 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.399 to agriculture. I mean, we can say stuff like regenitive agriculture, 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:14.880 and to be honest with you, I hear that all 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.280 the time. It took me a long time to figure 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.560 out like kind of what it meant. And you, I've 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.840 even heard you. I was reviewing some of the talks 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.359 you've given and I've heard you say that you anticipate 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:30.680 that term being hijacked. Yeah, so that it'll become like 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:35.120 other catch other agricultural catchphrases that that have a sort 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:39.080 of that their meaning becomes diminished as it gets appropriated. 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.799 Today we call it regenerative. That has not been co 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:48.520 opted much yet. And to me, that means emulation of nature. 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:56.040 So the the natural cycles, the industrial agriculture that I 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.960 used to use running a monoculture of only cattle break 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:09.520 those cycles. I ran the farmers of monocultural cattle industry 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:15.080 for twenty something years and was financially comfortable. I got 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:20.760 dissatisfied with it when I came to see the damage 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:26.880 I was doing. The admission is that while I was 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:31.520 a very industrial cattleman, I always opted on the high side. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.720 If the label rate said two c c's per hundred. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.200 I probably gave them three secs per one hundred pounds 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.960 of body weight. I said, a paint to the acre. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:42.399 I probably put a cort to the. 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.759 And I guess mean like if one's good, two is better. 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:54.880 One's good, towo's button threes really good. And it worked 0:42:54.920 --> 0:43:00.480 for me. But because I was so heavy handed, I 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:07.080 came to see the unintended consequences and it kind of strangely, 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:17.440 it manifested itself. On the animal welfare side. 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:12.160 In. 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.600 Nineteen ninety five, I was loading a truck load of 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.799 cattle to ship to the west for feeding. We did 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:26.440 that a lot. These would have been five hundred pound caves, 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:28.800 so there would have been about one hundred album on 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.880 the truck. So they were going to be on that 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:36.560 truck going to Nebraska for thirty hours. It got Nebraska, 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.399 that's where these were going. Although that's not the only state. 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.280 We feds. That's where these were going. That was about 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.799 as far as we went. Took thirty hours to get 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:46.520 to Nebraska. 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.760 You're basically moving them to the corn exactly. 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.279 It's cheaper to move the cows to the corn than 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.799 the corner of the cow. So they would have been 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.279 on the now for thirty hours with the ones on 0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.880 top urinating and defecating on the world was on the bottom, 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.160 without food or water or rest. And I had done 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.200 it dozens of times, but all of a sudden that morning, 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:14.160 it just didn't feel good. So it made me start 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.399 thinking about all the things I was doing that were 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:24.440 financially working for me but needed rethinking, and the animal welfare, 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.960 which is that was an animal welfare issue, quickly led 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.359 me to the environmental side. I mean, it was just like, 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:35.680 if this is wrong, this is wrong. So I fairly 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:47.000 abruptly ceased using chemical fertilizers, pesticides on my farm, de wormas, antibiotics, 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.520 anosaors on the cows. I only had cattle at the 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:55.600 time and tried to make a living like that, and 0:44:55.680 --> 0:45:01.160 it was not nearly as financially rewarded, but it felt 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.720 a lot better, and it started me on this journey 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.319 that I've been on for twenty five years, and it's 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:14.760 really been good for us in many ways. We probably 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.920 have not made as much money, probably left some money 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.239 on the table that we could have made if we'd 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:26.400 operated more industrially and within the system. But the land 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:32.280 is way butter off the livestock is way butter off. 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.319 I think we've got even more. It may not be 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.000 a more profitable business, but I think it's more resilient. 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:44.280 And two of my three daughters and their spouses came back, 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.480 and I'm pretty sure they would not had I continued 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.640 to farm industrially. So it's been way more good than bad. 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:53.960 They might not have been drawn to it. 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.239 Oh, they would not have been. You know, I never 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:01.120 wanted to do anything but run that arm. But my 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.880 daughters were raised the way people raise children in the 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.960 eighties and nineties, and you know it was it was 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:13.239 about ballet and gymnastics and karate and soccer and softball. 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:18.400 And they they would not have come back to the farm. 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:24.920 Uh, here's gonna give you a question about raising cattle. 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.960 I've picked up a handful bit. I know a little bit. Primarily, 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.200 I know stuff about raising cattle is from hunting on 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.400 people's farms and ranches. And you always go like, so, 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.560 what's that that you know? I have zero background and 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.360 egg I've just picked stuff up through exposure. When we 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:48.680 talk about the system, you've now you're now capturing the 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:53.920 entire system, meaning you've got Kyle's that will they'll be 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.840 bread and born on your farm and you'll sell the 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.320 burger at your start. 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.000 And we have and we have a slaughter plant on 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:02.600 the floor as well. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.640 That is yeah, you're running the whole damn deal vertically. 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:06.040 Drew. 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.239 Let's go back to when when you were a boy. 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:16.520 Tell me what portion of that process you were capturing 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.359 as a boy, just so people can see a little 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:21.920 bit of this. What portion of a cole's life were 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.399 you in charge of as a boy, And then what 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:29.040 portion are you guys doing now at waite Oat pastures. 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:35.879 My dad and later me had mama cows only that's 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.319 the only uh crop we produced was cattle. We had 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:45.799 mama cows. We bred them initially naturally, later on through 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:49.600 artificial insemination, we gave birth to the cavs and we 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.120 weaned them at about six months of age and shipped 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.320 them through the feed lot area like we just discussed. 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:03.000 And then now talk about the transformation you've had just 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.640 just in just in terms of cattle, because just. 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.400 In terms of cattle, we we've gone from being a 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:13.880 little snippet in the huge beef production system to be 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:18.640 in a tiny, tiny, little beef production system. We own 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.600 the mama cows. We have the caws. We finish the 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:27.920 caves on grass only grass, hey before no corn, and 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.200 then we slaughter them and then we sell them. We 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:36.240 sell them some wholesale to grossers, some through our little store. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.200 We've got a little restaurant. 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.480 And then you're just selling cook product too. 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.400 We know it's small. Yeah, well it's it's three meals 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.160 a day, seven days a week, but we don't feed 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:46.800 that many people. 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.640 Yeah, it's you know, we're but it's possible to for 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.160 a person to go and eat a burger. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.320 It's probably probably probably. 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.480 We're we gotta eat a burger that was produced right there. 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.000 Yeah, we got one hundred and seventy employployees and it's 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.719 twelve miles to the nearest place to eat, and it's 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:08.600 a fast food place. So we you know, I put 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.600 in the food service to feed my employees, but we've 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.640 expanded it. It's not big, but we do cook twenty 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:20.120 one meals a week and it's good. 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:25.080 What the economics change completely? Right? 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.600 Oh yeah, yeah, And I went back and looked. I 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.200 never from the time I graduated at University of Georgia 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:36.200 in nineteen seventy six until I started changing the way 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:40.520 we raised cattle in nineteen ninety five. I never lost money. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.319 I paid taxes every year. Now we didn't make we 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:44.600 didn't make a hell of a lot of money, but 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:49.080 we lived comfortably. They were consistently profitable. I had a 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.920 number of years of losses when I was transitioning over, 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.440 and I was very fortunate. I had inherited a nice 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:01.000 paid for a farm, and made a little money my own. 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:05.879 So we were able to survive it. But we had 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:06.719 to survive it. 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:13.560 Now, what do you guys do talk about how you compost? 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.960 I understand it's be true for your book, do you guys? 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.439 Instead of sending ship off to a rendering plant, you guys, 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.239 are you guys are handling that too? 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.839 Yeah? We are, Yeah, so we generally. 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:27.719 How does that even? How does that work? I mean 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:29.480 I could picture dragging it out, letting it rode. 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.080 You wouldn't do that, Yeah, But. 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:33.960 I mean I don't picture even I can't. I don't 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.920 picture what it even like composting a carcass. 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.040 It's very different. So well, of course, well there are 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.839 some whole carcasses, because when we have death loss, we 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:47.480 compost them too, But most of it is packing plant waste. 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:55.320 That's what USDA calls it. That would be a viscert, hooves, feathers, 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:02.040 gut fill, whatever's not marketable, skulls, central nervous system tissue 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:06.719 which we can't harvest. It's got brain spin core. So 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.080 but we generated about nine tons of day, five days 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.960 a week, and we compost it. 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:14.680 We nine tons a day. 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:16.920 Yeah, that sounds like a lot. 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.600 Pick up a cow stomach. Well yeah, and. 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.560 It's a lot of moisture. I mean there's as far 0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:29.399 as dry material, it's probably eighty percent moisture. I see, 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.600 you got to deal with it. But that's so we 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:39.799 do compost. Composting is taking a nitrogenous material animal weight 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:44.520 remains and a carbaceous material in our case to be 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:48.960 peanut shells or wood chips or whatever people give us. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.759 That's not homeowners but you know the asplunt or the 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:57.440 peanut shelling plants and their rules. 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.719 You go and you say, you mean the treat the 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.440 big power line tree company, Yeah, Asplin and I know 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:04.000 that outfit. 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:08.360 Yeah, they they dump those wood chips. We make it 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:12.160 available not for anybody, but for people that we trust 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:14.600 to dump carbaceous material via. 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:18.600 I tell you quick little side tidbit about ask So 0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:22.239 you know they do those big power line gas line projects. 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.759 I used to sell firewood and when they would go 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:32.360 through a big land owner, I'd go in there and 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.520 broke or deal to get all that. I'd sell all 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:35.919 that shit. 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:38.560 That's that's the same thing I do. 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.560 Like mostly cut up and I would go in there 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.719 and bucket into the sixteen inch lengths and split it 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.000 and sell it, and people be glad I did it. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:51.920 Well, I'm glad I found them too. And there are 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:56.839 ratios of not try material and carbaceous material that you mix. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:02.160 They are rules you go by. You We have a 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:07.120 thermometer with a five foot handle, probe on it. We 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.160 stick in there or my guys sticking. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:10.799 Are you grinding up the cow? 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.120 Not anymore? I used to I have a grinder, but 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:18.520 we said we struggle to keep it going. And really, 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:25.120 except for the bones, uh, it's it's this. It comes apart. 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:29.359 The bones become very porous. I should tell you this. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:33.840 It takes six to seven weeks to compost that animal material, 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.120 but it has been recommended to us that we let 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.480 it sit for a year. If you let it sit 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:45.080 a year, the compost becomes less bacterial and more fungal 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.279 and it's better for the land. So we let it 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.279 sit a year, and not only does it become more 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:56.120 fungal and it's better fertilizer, but those bones become porous. 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:59.400 You got you gotta give it to me, like you 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:02.120 gotta give this like you're you're like like you're gone 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:05.360 out of town and you're explaining to me on the 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.600 phone what I need to do. 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:14.560 Okay, So my guys put the carbaceous material peanut shells 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:19.360 or wood chips into long windows. Okay on the surface, 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.480 not no, no, on the surface okay. And by the way, 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.359 we move this operation around the farm. You don't want 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.880 to sit in one place too long. I fear it 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:33.040 might be too much at some point, so we move 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.839 it around every year or so. But we uh uh. 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:42.080 The animal material goes onto a little dump truck right 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:43.839 out of the plant or right out of the plant 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.799 every every day, maybe twice a day, at least once 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.680 a day, and they'll take it up to the composting 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:53.760 area wherever that happens to be right then, and they'll 0:54:54.880 --> 0:55:00.319 take a big caterpillar front end loader and build kind 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:05.320 of a bed of the carbaceous material to back the 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.200 truck up and dump it in so it's dumped on 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:12.040 twenty four inches of carbaceous. 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.759 Material, peanut shells, wood chips. 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.120 Got it. They dump it. Then they cover it up 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:23.080 with more of the same again, eighteen twenty four inches. 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:28.200 And here's a little fun fact. If we do a 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:32.480 good job covering it up, you never smell it and 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.360 you never see buzzards or vulses. 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:38.600 What's my next question, My next question, it's gonna be 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:39.360 about buzz. 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:44.840 All right, So let me tell you. Sometimes something happens, 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.520 you know, the load is thrown up or whatever, and 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.040 we just can't get it covered up as quickly as 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:54.280 we want to. When that happens, you can see those vultures, 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.200 either red headed or black headed, just stacking up there. 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.000 So we we keep it covered, which. 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:04.600 We do, and that's and then you let it sit 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:04.920 a year. 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:09.560 Well you've got to you've got to mechanically stir it 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:14.200 and take temperatures and record the temperatures. But as long 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.680 as we do that in six eight weeks, it will 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.719 become posted. And then we let it sit a year. 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.319 We pile it up and let it sit for a year. 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.160 Then we spread it on our pastures. I've got a 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:31.480 spread truck with a forty eight inch bedchain so big 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.840 bones can come out of the back of it. We 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:37.680 put two tons to the acre and it is seriously 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:43.480 where it's magic is good. You're feeding the micro You're 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:47.040 feeding the mic That compost is feeding the microbes and 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:51.920 the soil. This is important. It's feeding the plant that 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:58.080 feeds the animal. It's turned into feces or put back 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.360 through the plant. So it's like magic. 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:14.279 When something has gone through the process of being composted 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:18.120 in those first six weeks, exactly what happens. It goes 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:19.080 from what to what. 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:29.080 It goes from guts and wood chips to compost, which 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:39.120 is a stable not hot anymore, stable maistubsorbing plant food 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:44.280 that contains nitrogen and phosphorus and potassium and in this 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:49.360 case a lot of phosphorus and calcium because of the bones. 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:53.600 I mean, it's what is supposed to happen. You know, 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:57.760 the buffalo dies and rots and it grows grass. 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.480 What are the what are the temperatures you're getting in 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.200 those piles as it's working. 0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:07.880 Yeah, one hundred and fifty degrees and if it's not, 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:11.000 if it's not hot enough, they stir it and oxygenate it. 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.720 Take the front end the load on. They make some 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:18.040 really great, expensive machines that do that. I love to 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:19.640 have one. I ain't got one. 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.040 But does that does that process costing you money or 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:23.840 saving you money? 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.400 Yeah? 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:27.760 Which pile is bigger? 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:33.480 Yes? No, Well it's the right thing to do for 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:34.680 a lot of reasons. Sure. 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:36.640 No, I love it. I mean I love it like 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:39.800 just as a non farmer. I love the sounds of it. 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:42.560 I'm just curious, like, is it like a is it 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.040 a cost sink or is it a great way to fertilize. 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.160 It's a great way to fertilize. It costs money. We've 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:54.080 got some equipment and a couple of guys you know, 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.120 dedicated to it, and that has a cost. But the 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.600 uh plant, fertility, land, fertility that I get out of it, 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:07.760 you can't even you can't whe you couldn't afford to 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:12.840 buy it. God, it's wonderful, it's great our. We can 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:16.040 talk about this later. But the organic matter in my 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.440 soil on my farm has gone from a half a 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:26.800 percent over five percent, ten x more carbon in the soil, 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:31.000 and that no shit, I think, no shit, I think 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:31.760 there is some shit. 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:37.680 When's when do you think that? Okay, let's say we 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:42.240 knew that that if you went back to if you 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:46.960 went back to nineteen twenty three, Okay, so we go 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:49.200 back a century. Yeah, you think that it might have 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:49.880 been around five. 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:51.800 I don't know. I mean, that's a great question. I've 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.040 asked some people, but I don't know anybody that was 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.280 doing much carbon sampling in nineteen twenty thing. I guess somebody. 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:58.760 You would need a thought to look right. 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:04.240 Somebody's something we're probably who knows, But the practices that 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:10.920 my dad and I did, the tillage and use of 1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:15.080 nitrogen fertilizer, maybe pesticized. I don't know if it affects 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:19.480 it much, but certainly tillagen, use of nitrogen fertilizer burns 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:25.000 up carbon in the soil, just just makes it go away. 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:28.160 So when you've got soil that's a half a percent 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:32.280 organic model, which is what mine had gotten to, it's 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.840 a dead mineral medium. So let me tell you this 1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:43.120 one percent organic model I'm told will ab solve a 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:48.160 one inch rain event. So on an acre land, a 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.360 one inch rain event, it's twenty seven thousand gallons of water. 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:59.720 So my farm now will absorb I believe five times 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:02.240 twenty something five percent organic amount of times twenty seven 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:06.520 thousand cows. That's a lot of water, and we get 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:09.200 a lot of water. I'm in, Uh, I'm about eighty 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:11.640 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. You know. We get 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.840 fifty two inches a year, and a lot of it's 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:18.560 in big rain events. Not unusually have a five inch rain, 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:22.240 but I got five percent organic model. That don't mean 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:26.600 it all soaks in because it comes too fast, but 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:31.480 if it came slowly enough, we'd absorb it all. 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:35.880 And the benefits of that compared to soil that's minerally, 1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:39.600 that pretty much what just like sifts through water and now. 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:43.120 The water just percolects. You know. I'm in the Gulf Coast, 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:46.600 the Gulf Coastal region, which is an ancient seabed, so 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:50.720 the soil is pretty sandy compared to what you've got here, 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.720 and just it won't hold the water and it doesn't 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.560 have the minerals. We're putting a lot of minerals out 1:01:56.600 --> 1:02:01.960 there because of all that, the bones and whatnot. It's 1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:07.320 one of the uh, the best things I ever stumbled onto. 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:07.840 You know. 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:12.440 We we when I first built the slaughter plant, getting 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:15.640 rid of a viscilant and animal waste was a problem, 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:17.720 and we had to pay somebody to come get it, 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:20.480 and I didn't have a big enough plant for them 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:23.040 to come every day. That meant I was going to 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.720 have to refrigerate it. They just had a lot of problems. 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:27.120 Were you were refrigerating that stuff? 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:29.960 No, No, I never did. I was going to have 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:34.000 to got it the people do refrigerated. Of course. It 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.880 takes a lot of room and it's nasty, you know, 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.880 it's it's a lot of it's not the actual blood 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.439 is not in it. We drained the blood separately, which 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:47.520 we also use is fertilizer, but it's it's different. But 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:51.120 there's a lot of manure, a lot of fresh flesh, 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:55.080 and a lot of it's just there's just still blood 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:56.200 in the cars. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:02.240 Uh walk me through moving just from beef production into 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:07.000 producing poultry and other red meats. Was that because he 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:08.880 thought it'd be fun or did you need to do 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:12.480 that to try to hit the same finances like you could? 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:14.000 You couldn't make it work. 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:17.160 With beef b so, but it wasn't just financial, I 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.920 mean it was it was certainly financially. Everything I do 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:23.040 is financial because I got to make it work. But 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:28.280 when I changed from the industrial production model that I 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:32.800 was deeply entrenched in to this model that I'm in now. 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.120 I didn't realize I was gonna have to add other species, 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:46.720 but I did. Yeah. I started having weeds that I 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:49.000 you know I was previously. I sprayed it with grays 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:52.600 on p n T, which is another herbicide that we 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:57.120 didn't talk about. Uh, I had insects. I sprayed it. 1:03:57.160 --> 1:04:01.080 You know. I used all the sides. 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:03.840 To just get what you wanted out of the land 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:04.479 and nothing else. 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:08.320 That's right, that's right. So what we probably will talk 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:14.840 about eventually here is monocultural production. Monocultural production is bad. 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:22.160 It's what modern food production is based on. But nature 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:26.320 are bores of monoculture. I mean, I don't believe you've 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:28.160 been all over the world. I don't believe you can 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:33.080 name an ecosystem of the world that's a monoculture. I 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.240 don't think it exists in nature. You know, nature wants 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:40.400 a smallish board of animals and plants and microbes living 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:44.040 in symbiotic relationships with each other, and that's what we 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.640 try to do. But I didn't know that back then. 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:49.720 So I was going to have I was going to 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.360 continue my monoculture of cattle. I was just going to 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:57.960 give up those technical tools that I keep naming, and 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:00.360 I found out that I couldn't do it. You know, 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:04.440 the weeds came and smothered my grass. First of all, 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:08.360 the grass that I planted was Tifton eighty five permuta grass, 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:13.760 which is a super hybrid permuta grass bred by the 1:05:13.840 --> 1:05:19.880 University of Georgia that requires incredible amounts of nitrogen to live. Now, 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:24.000 it grows like crazy. It just takes a lot of nitrogen. 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:26.960 And when I quit putting chemical nitrogen out there, I 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:31.200 started losing that stand you know that trall. Yeah, and 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:34.640 then all kinds of crap came. And instead of using 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:37.080 grays on P and D to take to kill the crap, 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:40.480 I didn't. I didn't have that anymore. So we added 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.200 sheep and goats, which are ruminants like cap. 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:47.440 Because you needed something to eat all that jont correct and. 1:05:47.400 --> 1:05:51.040 The later I added poultry and it was poetry is tough. 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:52.880 Now we're struggling with poultry. I'm not sure how that's 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:53.680 gonna work out. 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:57.560 But we uh, what's tough about poultry being able to 1:05:57.600 --> 1:05:58.880 charge enough to make it worthwhile? 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:04.560 Yeah? That so my beef probably cost about thirty percent 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.600 more than industrial beef. We could argue about it, but 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:12.840 that's close. My poultry probably costs three hundred percent more 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:14.320 than industrial poultry. 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:15.000 Wow. 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:20.360 Because when we the smaller the specie, the more handilyd 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:26.640 lent itself to industrialization. So when we industrialize cattle, which 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:28.960 my dad was part of that movement, put them in 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:31.040 big hundred thousand head feed lots. He never had a 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:34.439 hundred thousand head, but they do. He had a five 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:39.680 hundred head field. Put them in those feed lots and uh, 1:06:41.600 --> 1:06:43.800 you know, and and take cost out of production. So 1:06:44.960 --> 1:06:50.760 we poultry, they're so small they lent themselves to that industrialization. 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:52.920 You can put thirty thousand of them in a chicken 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:58.200 house and one guy can probably handle x chicken houses 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:03.280 because it's highly mechanized. So we just took so much cost. 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.200 I was in Bold of Colorado, had the Boulder Rama 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:12.680 Hotel years ago, the Boulder Rama, and I say, it's 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:16.680 something like that. This is the Cowboy Hotel there comber 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:19.960 Landmark and I ate supper now. And I had just 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:25.439 built my poultry business and spent a million million point something. 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:27.920 I'm gonna put something million dollars on the processing plant, 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:32.240 and it wasn't working financially, and I was worried about it. 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.720 And I was waiting on my waiting on bringing my supper. Y'all, 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:37.120 don we eat supper? 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:40.280 No, I grew up eating supper. Now I had listen, man, 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.400 I had to make a decision when I started college. 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.280 I had to train myself to stop saying supper. Because 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:50.560 I noticed that no one said that. 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.400 We have a different I had to be like, we 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:57.320 had the same college experience, we had different decisions. I 1:07:57.360 --> 1:07:59.360 went to the University of Georgia with a bunch of 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:03.400 my buddies. I mean just seemed as soon as we 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:09.120 got there, they say, hey, you guys want dinner. What 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:14.120 happened to y'all won't supper? So I doug a little deeper. 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:18.360 It's so funny. I don't know, man, I grew up 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:21.640 in a weird little supper corner of the Did you 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:23.880 guys say dinner? Supper? We did not say dinner. 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:32.960 We said, but Midwest, there's supper. It can't be that. 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:34.040 We do it. 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:35.920 We do it noon every day. 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:39.360 So we DIVI didn't do that. We had breakfast, lunch, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.759 and then you have supper. What's what supper time, breakfast 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:42.880 still supper. 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:46.080 Was Have you ever had lunch? 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:52.120 I didn't like it. 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:56.080 At what point in your life did you realize that 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:58.559 there's this other thing called lunch was the same thing 1:08:58.600 --> 1:08:59.360 as dinner for you? 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.360 I mean, I could reading write, I knew what he 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:08.360 was talking about. I I talked real slow, I think 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:16.160 pretty slow, but I put that dunel thing because so anyway, 1:09:16.280 --> 1:09:17.479 I lost my trader thor. 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:19.519 You were you were had just spent at one point 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:22.759 something milly plates and you had ordered up some poultry 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:28.720 in the restaurant, or no, you had ordered your dinner waiting. 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.280 On my something in the boulder. They had they had 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:36.880 a menus framed from like nineteen twenty three or something. 1:09:37.320 --> 1:09:40.800 I got a picture somewhere in my phone and it 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:48.599 said beef plate, beef dinner privately, Uh, ninety nine cent 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:55.360 pork dummer nine and nine cent chicken dinner A dollar 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:56.360 thirty cents. 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:01.360 So you know, at some point in time, before. 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.559 We industrialize, we took all the costs out. 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:07.280 But now now that would say thirty nine dollars, yeah, 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:10.000 thirty seven dollars, nineteen. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:15.160 Dollars yeah, right, something like that, so we uh, anyway, 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:19.080 that's uh. We we we struggle with poetry. 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:21.719 So that was like when you saw that thing, though, 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:26.760 it hit you something about the eye of wackedness of 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:28.280 where we've gotten with cheap poultry. 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:30.880 I would say, shit, I wish I hadn't done that. 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:33.599 I wish I hadn't built it. I wish I hadn't 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:38.920 built that plant. And you know we're fixing do We 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:41.639 were cutting back on our poetry because we have lost 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:43.640 so much money. I still want to do it, but 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:44.920 I'm not sure how it's going to look. 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:46.600 So you haven't turned it around. 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:51.040 And you can't find a market that will that will 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:53.040 pay enough to keep it going. 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:57.840 Not on enough birds. I'll tell something else. I don't 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:00.760 think I'm a very good poetry farmer. I'm a I'm 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:05.760 a I'm a really good beef guy. You know when 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.360 I got when I when I moved from beef to sheep, 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:10.920 that was the first specie I bought. I said, you know, 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:16.240 they just like little cows. I can't do that. They're 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:20.280 not like little cows. But it's hard. So then, you know, 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:23.200 but we got reasons for good and hired some people 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:26.040 to help us. Then they got ready to put goats 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:29.960 out of there, because you know, goats and sheep are 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:35.720 both small ruminates. But sheep eat forbes, goats eat scrub. 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.200 For the most part, you need both of them. I 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:40.920 got goats, I said, you know, I've learned how to 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:46.880 run sheep. I can run goats. So then we got 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:49.200 birds and I don't know how to do that, and hogs. 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:51.439 I didn't know how to do that, and I'm still not. 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:53.320 I don't think I'm real good at it. 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:55.200 But is the hogs making money? 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:57.479 Yeah? Yeah, the hogs are making money. 1:11:58.000 --> 1:11:59.760 Is goats making money? 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:05.240 Yeah? Yeah, yes, let me see, you know. And the 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:09.400 reason I'm the reason I'm that says yes. But the 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:14.400 reason I'm not saying hell yeah is we you know, 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:18.720 in a in a farm like hours, where everything is 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:23.280 integrated and working together, it's really hard to identify a 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:26.920 single line. So let's let's talk about the difference in 1:12:27.000 --> 1:12:33.400 linear and cyclical. We do that. Yeah, most businesses are 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:38.639 very linear. You're just next, next, next, next. A farm 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:42.439 is meant to be cyclical. It's close to nature. You know, 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:46.599 the inputs it's spent, It goes around and around the 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:51.719 waste stream coming off of a cyclical business like a farm, 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:58.040 it's a very small hour. But the complexity of it 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:01.240 is it's really hard to know. So I told you 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:03.680 I'm losing a lot of money on poultry, and I 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:07.040 am don't believe it. Talking of my accountant, but he's 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:11.479 not accounting for the additional fertility that birdman you puts 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:15.800 out all the feathers and carcasses. That I that that's 1:13:15.840 --> 1:13:20.360 an extra income stream that's not showing up on my financials. 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:24.479 So it gets very difficult. You know, there are reasons. 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:31.599 There are a lot of of cyclical farms that are 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:36.160 on the Stock Exchange. It's so it's you know, it 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:41.320 doesn't manifest itself in monthly reports or quarter the reports 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.760 or annual reports. It manifests yourself generationally. 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:49.200 Help me understand that. 1:13:49.280 --> 1:13:55.840 Say that again, so most linear businesses, uh, you know, 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:59.439 you can pull a monthly report or quarter the reporter 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.599 now you're report and get a pretty good indicator of 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:05.960 how your business is doing financially. Can I understand I'm 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:10.679 saying in a farm, I may show I'm losing money, 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:12.679 but if I'm moving it from a half cent organic 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:17.400 model to five percent organic model, it's not on there. Yeah, 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:22.799 if my herd went from being uh, where you probably 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:26.120 could report the numbers. I don't, but you could, But 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:31.560 the productivity of your herd doesn't show up on that. 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:32.719 I understand. 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:35.439 I can just that all that stuff's not getting capture. 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:39.840 You're rehabilitating the landscape future generations. That's not showing up 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:40.720 in your quarterly. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:44.960 Report, and it manifests itself as wealth generationally. We we 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:47.479 we got a little management team. I used to run 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:55.639 that farm absolutely autonomous, just me, and as it grew, 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:59.280 we've we've brought other people in management, and we have 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:04.439 a meeting once a week Thursday afternoon my office, and 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:07.600 we talk about things we want to do. And it 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:11.920 never pays off in the month, a quarter, or a year. 1:15:11.960 --> 1:15:18.640 It's all very long term, very generational. I love that, 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:20.520 but it's very problematic. 1:15:22.760 --> 1:15:27.160 Since you're selling all the stuff that you produce, and 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:30.240 you know how many acres you got, you kind of have. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:30.879 A rare. 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:33.479 And I know this goes against a little bit of 1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:36.120 what you're just saying that you don't do a quarterly report, 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:38.040 but you probably wind up with a kind of rare 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:48.320 glimpse for an egg producer into this acreage spins off 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:53.639 this many dollars worth of food because it doesn't get 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:58.200 lost in some broader equation, meaning if you grow corn 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:01.360 and you're selling corn for ethnol, you're selling corn for feed, 1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:07.720 You're never you would never answer the question like, oh no, 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:14.640 my corn helped produce x gallons of ethanol gasoline, and 1:16:14.680 --> 1:16:18.160 my corn helped produce x pounds of beef down the road. 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:21.160 But at the end of the year, you you know, 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:26.920 like like you know how many dollars worth, how many units? 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:29.160 However the hell you want to measure it? You know 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:30.200 what came off that place? 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:32.680 You know we do, and we know that we got that, 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:33.800 we got, I gotta, I got. 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:35.880 I mean, that's got to be an interesting number. Do 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:39.280 you does that number? Does that ratio as you've become 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:43.960 better and learned this has that like dollars of off 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:47.080 put per acre of land? Have you gotten better at it? 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.640 Yes, yes, a lot better. And I can I mean, 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:53.200 I don't even need to look at those finacials. I 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:55.200 can tell that riding around in my jeep. I mean 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:58.519 it looks better. I mean, I mean I can, I 1:16:58.560 --> 1:16:59.679 mean it looks better. 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:06.160 Years ago, I was with my friend Kevin Murphy down 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:11.439 in Kentucky and we were driving around hunting cottontail rabbits, 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:15.360 and he was telling me it was gonna be a 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:16.960 good day at hunting because we were going to an 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:21.240 Amish farm. And he said, that's where the game is at. 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:23.080 The game is on the Amish farm. And he pointed 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:26.160 to a number of farming practices. And this is gonna 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:28.360 sound like horror. I don't mean, you know, it's gonna 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:32.600 sound like I'm generalizing. He had a call. You just 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:35.799 got there. Looked different. He's like, their practices are different, 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:40.360 the equipment uses different, the philosophy is different. They're they're 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:45.639 they're hell on predators, they have dirty fence rows. It's 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.600 just different. And you go there and and all the 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:51.120 time running around, man, the only quail we saw. 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:54.599 Heck yeah, was on that Armish farm. 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.080 And he'd point around and be like that, that that. 1:17:57.360 --> 1:17:59.000 But you just knew when you got there, You're like, wow, 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:03.800 it is a different looking for so absolutely yeah, because 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:05.720 you'll have the vocabulary for it. 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:12.640 Well, so there are One of the most beneficial creatures 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:16.040 on my farm is a dung beetle. It's a beetle 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:23.360 that is flighted beetle that is drawn to fresh manure, 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:28.040 particular calmnure, and when the dung beetle gets there, it 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:34.680 somehow gathers the most nutrient dense part of the feces, 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.639 and that fresh always went as fresh. If it's been 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:40.519 there a while, they don't go to it. And it 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:46.599 digs a vertical eighteen inch shaft into the ground about 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:50.280 as big as that pencil, and the dirt comes up 1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:53.479 in the top of the menu and it packs. It 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:57.320 lays its eggs in the bottom and packs that tunnel 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:00.519 with the most nutrient rich part of at manure. 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:03.960 I know the animal, but I didn't know they did that. 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:05.000 Oh man, it's wonderful. 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:08.840 I can pay someone to do that. 1:19:09.240 --> 1:19:12.160 Well, guess what I said. We saw dunge beatles when 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:14.519 I was a kid. I didn't see them anymore. There 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:17.719 was a few give cattle wormer to kill the worms 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:21.000 in the system. It's toxic to the dung beetle when 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:23.800 they lay the eggs and the feces. No kidding, really, 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:28.519 So when I saw dung beetles, I can I know 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:30.559 right where I was. I was driving along. I saw 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:32.720 that dirt at the top of that fresh cavity, and 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:36.400 I slammed on brakes and backed up, and it was 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:41.679 dung beleaedles. I got you. Yeah, and now I got 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:46.720 a lot of them, and it stratify. 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:54.439 It keeps thee because uh sorry about that, it keeps 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:56.040 the nutrients from stratifying. 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.080 You're just being on the top with the manua goes 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:04.760 the water can go down in those holes. I mean, 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:09.720 it's just and the horn flies and face flies, which 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:14.080 are a horrible blood sucking insect for cattle raised in 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:17.439 that fresh cattle manule. That's where they leave their eggs too. 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:23.240 When they those dung beetles aerate it, you don't get 1:20:23.320 --> 1:20:28.000 the horn flies the face flies production. So it's like 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:32.560 it's like a gift from God in terms of insect control, fertility, 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:37.760 land management. We killed them and spent money to buy 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:43.519 cattle worma to kill them, and and list goes on. 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:50.639 And there's dozens of technology products that I spent money 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:55.400 for that that did more harm than good. You know. 1:20:55.439 --> 1:20:57.760 That's that's the way I really think that's the way 1:20:57.800 --> 1:21:00.280 that works in higher culture. I'm not speaking out of 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:04.160 the other areas. I got it. I had the first 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:06.719 drum of anybody I know, and we don't know about 1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:10.360 our either third or fourth one. I love. I'm not 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:13.960 opposed to technology. That's a good cell phone. I flew 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:17.400 down there because I kept beeping. I love I mean, 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:23.320 I love technology, but technology in a complex system does 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:26.160 not work well. In a complicated system that works great. 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:29.480 So we have to very judiciously decide. 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.800 Uh, when you moved away from de Warmer? Did you 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.200 move away from you? Don't do any kind of hormones 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:42.160 on here? We're don't And that was the That was 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:43.559 the implant hormone, right. 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:47.200 Yeah, mostly there are a number of them, but the 1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:51.639 most common one goes in the skin behind the ear 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:54.760 and it slowly releases over about a used to be 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:56.439 one hundred days. I ain't used it for a long time. 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:57.679 I don't know what you got now, Jude. 1:21:57.720 --> 1:21:59.360 I got more and more friends doing that. Man, you 1:21:59.360 --> 1:22:01.200 don't do that too it would you do it? 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:02.400 I did do it for a year. 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.719 You and you they do it in their butt. No, 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:08.200 you know you guys know about this. 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.960 No, I can guess who you've been hanging out with. 1:22:15.840 --> 1:22:18.760 I'll tell you who later. He's he's really on the 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:20.599 fence about it because he's got friends. 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:24.040 What look like I do. 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:27.800 He's got friends, and there's a lot of he's got friends. 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:31.240 There's a lot of guys that are getting a little capsule. 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.160 You cut the skin on your butt and you put 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.840 this little capsule in there, and then and then you're 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.160 you're and then you're and then you're like you know, you're, 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:42.120 you're whatever. You're more of a superman. 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:44.479 This this this, I hope this doesn't take too long. 1:22:44.479 --> 1:22:45.559 I'll try to make this short. 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:46.439 But you wouldn't do that. 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.599 I would. Hell, I went to university. But I'll tell 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:51.519 you this. When I was at University of Georgia in 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:59.000 the seventies, uh, steroids which just just a rumor, and 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:02.160 I heard about them, and I told my guy that 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:04.439 I thought Mike could get me some steroids, give me 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:10.439 some of that for you. Yeah, And he didn't. But 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.840 I happened to have reproductive physiology that quarter. There's a 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:17.320 quarter system back then. And one of the things we 1:23:17.360 --> 1:23:22.799 did is we had one hundred mail chicks, little yellow chicks. 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:25.640 You have to have them sack. Somebody got it to 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:29.400 notice what they're doing. These were males and we divided 1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:33.080 them up into ten little pens. It was not going 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:37.080 out of my welfare. And every day for that quarter, 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:40.880 somebody had to inject all one hundred. You signed up. 1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:43.679 You know, I'll take these days and you take those days. 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:47.599 And we didn't know what we were giving them. All 1:23:47.600 --> 1:23:51.479 of them got the same dosage of whatever was on 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:55.200 that bottom on top of their pen. And at the 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:58.800 end of the quarter we killed them and dissected them 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:04.000 and weighed their test and I was really starting to 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:09.280 want some steroids because those on the end they had 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:12.839 a you know, the comb that dropped off. Oh yeah, 1:24:13.040 --> 1:24:15.639 and when you when you'd opened, when you open the pin, they. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:19.240 Come at you on the other end, souped up chickens. 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:21.200 Yeah, they were just still a little yellow up. They 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:24.680 would run from you. Said, oh hell yeah, that's that steroid. 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:28.080 I'm gonna kick me some of that step. I can't wait. 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.360 So the last well, I hadn't got it yet. Last 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:35.799 day we killed them and dissected them, and those little 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:39.000 birds that run from you on that end, it was 1:24:39.040 --> 1:24:41.799 different doses all the way up from zero to whatever. 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:47.120 The testicles that big, those down there, they had the 1:24:47.160 --> 1:24:51.000 comb dripping down. I couldn't find them a little a 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:54.400 little little gobble fat that I guess must have been it. 1:24:54.560 --> 1:25:00.479 So I told them, my guy, I don't want to 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:02.400 get into this too long. But There's a couple of 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:04.320 details I got to add in here about this is 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:09.120 the guys I know are post reproductive age. I caught 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:12.479 wind of this and I told my wife, I'm like, listen, 1:25:12.520 --> 1:25:14.720 if these people that I know do this and they 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:18.080 can start smoking me up a hill, I'm gonna have 1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:22.200 a hard time not doing it. Really, Yeah, I don't 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:24.240 want what I don't want to get smoked up going 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:24.720 up a hill. 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:28.400 Is this human growth horm? Is this steroids? 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:31.160 It's probably I could start gaming people, but I don't 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.360 want to name them. But if they can, if it 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:35.600 turns out that they went from me being able to 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:38.040 smoke them up a hill to them smoking me up 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.840 a hill, it's gonna be very hard for me to 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:41.360 stomach this. 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:51.080 A little way to go. 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:54.120 Years old, How quick you get up at hell, you're 1:25:54.120 --> 1:26:06.680 gonna wish all your stuff is still away. 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:13.800 There's there's a conversation often having my kids. My kids 1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:16.280 will laugh about you know, we'll laugh about stuff like 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:18.080 my dadd used to love to tell the story that 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:20.920 when he was in the in the military, and you'd 1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:24.840 get your c rations, there'd be three cigarettes in there, right, 1:26:25.400 --> 1:26:27.160 and you talk about that, you'd be on a forest 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:31.200 march and they would call a cigarette break right, and 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:35.040 then you know, and we laugh now like, oh, how stupid. 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:40.559 And I'm always telling my kids, I'm like you right now, us, 1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:45.439 right now, we are doing things right now, maybe some 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:50.160 things that we even think are good that your kids 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:55.360 will sit and laugh about. How in the world could 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:57.400 we have been so stupid? 1:26:57.880 --> 1:26:58.480 Absolutely? 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:02.360 What are some of the things that you look at 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:05.400 in our agricultural practices? What are some of the things 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:06.880 that you look at in the one hundred years, I'll 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:09.200 be like, can you believe those idiots? Not only did 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:10.280 that mean? 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:13.480 I used to so I used to artificially or artificially 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:18.559 insumminate my cattle. I would buy a semen, pay for it, 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:22.880 and then put it in the in the cow when 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:27.680 she was in estras or heat. And the semen I 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:34.559 was buying were from these big, monster, non natural bulls. 1:27:34.760 --> 1:27:36.840 They had a you know, their claim to fame is 1:27:36.880 --> 1:27:41.600 they had a RUBI that big, And it was like 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:45.000 that was the only thing that mattered, you know, And 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:48.800 today you know I close. Not only do I not 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:52.560 buy semen anymore, I closed the herd. It's a I 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:56.320 don't bring animals in now. I saved my own bulls, 1:27:57.960 --> 1:28:01.400 and I've been to that for ten years. The herd 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:04.439 is so much better. You know, we we put up 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:10.560 you know you may have I'll get these numbers confused. 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:16.840 But a friend of mine had a herd of a 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:21.080 hundred and something one hundred and ten or something cows 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:26.600 that he artificially assimilated with different bulls, and he was 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.840 selling bull purebred bull calves. So he had to know 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:34.800 who the daddy was. I don't ever do. So he 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:38.640 take hair from the tailhead and send it off and 1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:49.479 they genetically sex record tell who the bulls. And he 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:53.759 had done that with some natural breeding, put ten bulls 1:28:53.760 --> 1:29:00.679 in with one hundred and twenty cows, and one bull 1:29:01.000 --> 1:29:07.800 had like fifty six calves, one had twelve, and then 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:12.160 some four and ones and twos and c rood. Well, 1:29:12.200 --> 1:29:15.840 now I want my in my herd. I want the 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:19.120 bullet got fifty six calves. I don't care if it's 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:22.679 real by it's this big or this big. I want 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:27.280 that libid that that you know that bull felt good. 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:32.639 He was eating well, he was a fishing. He had 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:33.240 it going on. 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:38.280 Yeah, he's like on the mountain around the prairie or whatever. 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:39.400 At a time like you'd have. 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:48.400 Been siren, Siren the buffalo herd or what. So you 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:51.760 know that I'm I'm telling that story and reference to 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:55.920 you about the silly things we do, and and there 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:58.680 are a bunch of others. But you know, just now 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:04.599 that was the wrong thing, ending money too, not improve 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:05.240 my herd. 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:09.280 So that's not so much an issue of that's not 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:12.439 so much an issue of AI. It's an issue of 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:16.400 the source for the semen. 1:30:16.479 --> 1:30:21.599 Right. No, well, I mean, are those AI I've learned 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:25.280 as artificial intelligence when I when I was, it's always 1:30:25.320 --> 1:30:26.800 been an artificial insemination to. 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:28.559 Me, Oh, I still think that's what it means. Good 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:34.760 for you. 1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:32.720 Younger than you must be. 1:30:32.960 --> 1:30:35.800 But in the argument for it, though, the argument for 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:38.240 artificial insemination, as I understand it, you can crack me 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:45.599 on this. An argument for it is that you can synchronize, correct, 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:48.760 you can synchronize so that your cows are calving within 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:50.160 a very narrow window of time. 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:53.360 Those two shaparate things. So I'm confusing stuff. Okay, you know, 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.599 I mean, it's all right, I get it. But they 1:30:56.640 --> 1:31:02.160 do use hormone implants to synchronize the cow. And but 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:04.360 they could they could still breed them naturally. That's a 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:05.880 separate shot that. 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:10.000 Okay. Yeah, so you can use a hormone to bring 1:31:10.080 --> 1:31:14.519 them into estrous heat. Okay, so that you then because 1:31:14.560 --> 1:31:17.040 they have the same the gestation period is pretty. 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:19.200 Fixed two eighty six ages. 1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:22.400 Okay, So you use a hormone to bring them in 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:26.280 at the same time, and then you can breed them 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:29.920 naturally or breed them with artificial essemination to make sure 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:32.160 that then you're when it comes to calving time, you 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.880 have a narrow window, a narrower window of calving time 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:39.000 and requires less of your attention to be around to 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:40.599 make sure everybody births out. 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:43.000 You also don't do that, right. 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:46.400 Don't so that and and you know it does everything 1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:49.760 say is true, But mostly people do that so they 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:53.840 can put together the truck load of same size, same 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:57.439 sex cattle. Sex is that doesn't control sex, but you 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.479 and that doesn't mean anything to me because we slaughter 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:04.639 cows fIF to two weeks a year. Uhh. 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:07.400 So that, yeah, that's interesting. You've kind of pulled yourself 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:07.920 away from. 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.960 That need everything. We pulled ourself away from everything. 1:32:13.160 --> 1:32:15.960 You don't need to have everybody on such and such 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:17.880 day always six hundred pounds. 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:21.840 Don't want it, don't want it. I want to have calves. 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:26.080 We were so we have a herd where we are 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:30.080 are finishing our animals on grass, and once a month 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:33.640 we shut that herd up and pull out everything visually 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:39.120 that we think is big enough ready to slaughter. And 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:41.040 that's how we do it. And I don't want to 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:44.120 have all of them one month and eleven months nothing 1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:44.599 going on. 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.320 Does anybody hunt on your farm? 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:49.720 Yeah? I did an employees hunting. I was. I was 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:52.760 an avid hunter all my life. That that that and uh, 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:58.240 uh cease to do that when I got so involved 1:32:58.240 --> 1:33:02.400 in my career and I still have employees at hunt. 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:06.599 Uh, that's funny mentioned that because I was like being 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:11.120 brought up, we hunted different farms in our community, and 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:14.680 my dad was it was just an explaining why. I mean, 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:17.599 at that time farmers did hunt. I mean they did 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.519 not hunt in our area. My Dad's like, the last 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:22.799 thing these people want to deal with is a dead animal. 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:27.720 It's like it's just like the last the end of 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:30.120 the day. And he went going have another dead thing, 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:31.400 you know what, You got to mess with it because 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:32.960 it's just not like a fun thing for him. 1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:36.920 The way that worked in my community growing up here, 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:40.760 when when we were kids, we were avid hunters and 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:45.080 fishermen and trappers because that's what you did. My dad 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:47.280 didn't know how to play baseball. He wouldn't gonna be 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:50.840 able to tell me how to. You know, that wasn't 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:54.800 something to happen. So the way we kids spent our 1:33:54.840 --> 1:33:57.960 time was and the television was a black and white 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:01.400 television by Dead Big and I'm gonna watch said. So 1:34:01.479 --> 1:34:06.639 we hunted and fished and trapped, and at a certain age, 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:12.439 your daddy said you're coming with me tomorrow ten, twelve, fourteen. 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:16.040 Depends on the kid and the daddy. And then you 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:19.160 were working. And you know, I mean, it wasn't that 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.759 I didn't have time to hunt or fish. I did. 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:23.280 I just had my interests. 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:26.840 And oh you mean when he said you're coming with me, 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:30.200 he meant working, Yeah, not hunting. Yeah, he's pulling you 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:33.600 off hunting. Correct, that's pulling you off of hunting and 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:34.479 fishing to get working. 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:39.000 Yeah. And I could still have hunted and fish, but 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:41.640 by that time I wanted to run the farm. That 1:34:41.760 --> 1:34:44.080 was that was my my goal. 1:34:44.880 --> 1:34:48.519 When you look at yeah, I don't, I know, I 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:50.160 don't I'm not asked. I don't want to embarrass you, 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:52.719 but you've been public about how many acres you guys 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:53.799 have under control. 1:34:54.080 --> 1:35:00.320 You sharing, No, we own about two thousand acres inherited 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:05.160 about thoules Makers. I bought about fowles Maker. We rent 1:35:05.320 --> 1:35:09.080 a little over a thousand acres and then we graize 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:12.400 soul of otake or raise about two thousand acres, so 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:14.559 it's a little over five thousand acres total. 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:20.280 As you've gone through this process, and have you seen 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:23.720 what have you seen in terms of wildlife? 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:26.120 Yet? 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:29.680 You have the dung beetle example, but what have you 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:32.080 seen in terms of wildlife habitat? Does it wind up 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:35.960 decreasing because you need to use so much because you 1:35:36.080 --> 1:35:38.520 found ways to use so much more of the landscape, 1:35:38.560 --> 1:35:41.920 meaning your goats and cheap have replaced deer. 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:46.400 You know, that's a good that's a good question. And uh, 1:35:46.800 --> 1:35:53.559 but the wildlife has increased. But the sportsman and you 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:57.120 it's not going to like this much. When you manage 1:35:57.120 --> 1:36:00.760 for the benefit of a specie, you do so at 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:05.120 the detriment of the other species. Now, we don't see 1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:08.200 many deer on our farm. A lot of them passed 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:10.880 through because it's open. 1:36:11.479 --> 1:36:12.439 You know. 1:36:12.479 --> 1:36:17.000 They they're on their way somewhere else. But there's a 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:20.639 tremendous amount of life on the farm. I started mentioning 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:23.559 this to you. I was I was driving down a 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:28.719 paved road that bisects my farm three four years ago. 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:33.800 And it wasn't late in the afternoon. I'm dusk, but 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:35.920 it wasn't raining. And I went through a place of 1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:39.920 the road was wet. I said, what was that? And 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:44.400 I backed up and there were millions of little toad frogs, 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:49.960 I mean, fresh hatched toad frogs crossing the road. And 1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:54.400 since then, I've seen that probably three for sure, or 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:59.120 two maybe three other times. And that is I hadn't 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:00.360 seen that since I was kid. 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:05.560 No, I can back up on this. That's changed everywhere. 1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:08.160 And what I mean, I said, I can back up 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:12.439 on that. Like amphibians. Yeah, it's just changed. 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:15.320 But I got. What I'm saying is I got them. Yeah, No, 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:18.400 I'm with you here, and they've been calm in their back. 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:20.280 You know. 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:23.920 I was raised frog gigging and catching crawfish and you 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:26.680 know the other things. And the amphibians, you're right, Amphibians 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:30.880 like the canary and the coal mine to be indicator 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:38.920 that it ain't right, and they're back on my farm. 1:37:39.040 --> 1:37:39.639 Of the side. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:43.320 We had seventy eight bald eagles on my farm. They 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:48.599 were killing me. They were eating my chickens. And I mean, 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.080 I told you chickens has not been a good deal 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:56.080 of for us. That's not even counting this. But there 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:58.920 was seventy eight. That's the d n R guy made 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:02.160 that estimate. I don't know how you tel, but that's 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:05.760 what he said. There's a bunch of them and they 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:09.000 were about to put me hide the chick post pasture 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:09.879 poltry business. 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:13.040 And we are very because you got your chickens running 1:38:13.040 --> 1:38:13.880 around out in the opening. 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:17.640 Yeah, it's I mean, and you know it's not like 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:20.719 an eagle would go in there and get a bird 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:23.160 and eat it. I don't I don't mind. It's like 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:27.719 tithe into nature, you do that. But they would land 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:31.439 and just kill and kill and kill and eat the 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:34.519 ain't us out and kill another one and eat the 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:40.080 ants and kill another one. So a very talented polstry 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:43.880 manager that I had hired figured it out and our 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:50.080 eagles losses went way down, so we u we fenced 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:54.960 them so I have guardian dogs h anatole and shepherds 1:38:55.040 --> 1:39:02.200 and ockbosh and great Pyrenees and combinations there, and they 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:09.200 work great on nocturnal predation, but in the daytime they 1:39:09.240 --> 1:39:12.400 go to the woods and go to sleep, and that's 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:17.519 when the eagles come. So my postry guy figured out 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:22.320 how to put up that electrified webbing around the Polsier 1:39:22.400 --> 1:39:25.320 house so they can still get out, but they can't 1:39:25.479 --> 1:39:28.120 the dogs. It wasn't to keep the chickens in, it's 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:32.639 keep the dog from going to the woods. And it 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:34.400 was it was. It was very effication. 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.720 He was fencing his dog, fencing the dogs. 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.880 Literally, and it worked worked very well. We still have 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:45.200 some eagles and some predation, but it's not debilitating the 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:45.840 way it was. 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:51.800 So, how tell me about the process of doing your book? 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:53.800 Did you write it? 1:39:54.439 --> 1:39:54.799 Yeah? 1:39:55.280 --> 1:40:01.600 Uh so uh the Mark Mark Gerald. 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:07.400 Contacted me about solicited writing a book about us. 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:09.400 Did he make you your proposal? All that? 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:24.360 He didn't? Hm, it's in honesty, h h he uh 1:40:24.520 --> 1:40:26.680 we we. I talked to him the first time. I 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:29.000 told him, I said, I can't write a book, you know, 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:32.080 I just not the way that works. I had never 1:40:32.120 --> 1:40:38.120 read many books, and he uh ultimately found a wonderful 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:41.439 person to write it in the lady name Amy Lee Grave, 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:44.880 and who her we fell in love with. She's a sweetheart. 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:48.360 She's by the same age as my daughters, and and 1:40:48.600 --> 1:40:52.040 uh and my daughter got involved in it, and she 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:55.759 wanted the book, so she I worked for my daughter. 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:59.000 So then you were able to start downloading all your knowledge. 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:03.320 And we had a phone call every Friday afternoon for 1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:09.080 two three four hour phone call. And she's bread. You know, 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:13.080 she would have a list of questions. She started asking 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:16.599 her questions and she would challenge you. I say, I'd 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:20.120 be telling my story. Responded to whatever she could asked about. 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:24.360 And she said, wait a minute, you told me so, 1:41:24.560 --> 1:41:28.320 and so I said, I say that on July fifth, 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:29.040 you told me. 1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:33.360 Getting cross examined. 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:39.320 Yeah, I see that ain't the same thing I told you. 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:44.600 You know, it was different, you know, but she she, 1:41:44.880 --> 1:41:48.200 you know, she when when I read the book, I 1:41:48.240 --> 1:41:51.400 couldn't believe how right she got it. Yeah. 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:53.840 Well no, I mean it really. I mean it's like 1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:55.960 it's like you're telling the stuff. 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:57.639 It's all my stuff. 1:41:57.680 --> 1:41:59.400 But I should know if you needed someone to help 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:00.959 you with the organ Yeah. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:05.719 That's back on that linear cyclical. Yeah, if I start 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:08.040 telling you a stir, I'm probably gonna get off on 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:11.280 something else. Probably we know, we'll we know, we'll finish 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:14.880 that one unless you remind me and that that that's 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:15.840 the way this would have been. 1:42:21.080 --> 1:42:24.479 How many people come you know, because how many people 1:42:24.600 --> 1:42:26.679 come to your place every day? Like if people are listening, 1:42:26.680 --> 1:42:28.439 they just go it. If they're in Georgia, they just 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:33.720 go to your place right and tour and eat and 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:34.479 see everything. 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:39.120 We uh, we got an open gate policy that you 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:42.360 can go. We we do tours, we know, and I 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:45.120 really will them do that, but you know they can't. 1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:48.599 You know, they show up thirty minutes after you did 1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:51.160 a tour, and my daughters do and when they got 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:54.120 people that work with them, that do them, but they 1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:56.479 we we let them go in. We got maps, We 1:42:56.640 --> 1:42:58.280 give it to you. You go anywhere you want to 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:02.080 ask anything, you want to Well, you know we are 1:43:02.439 --> 1:43:09.600 we're under so much competition of greenwashed product by big companies. 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:18.599 That transparency is that the soul We've got to use God, yeah, 1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:21.679 short to him. You look at it. You know, well, 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:23.960 we'll ask you a question and sometime. 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:28.680 Meaning there's no like whatever terminology you can use to 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:31.400 describe to a consumer what it is you're doing. You're 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:34.800 going to see that terminology mimicked by someone who picks 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:35.719 up that word. 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:40.160 Absolutely. Let me give you an extreme example. I'll give you. 1:43:40.240 --> 1:43:47.479 But uh, in this country, you can import grassfeed beef 1:43:47.600 --> 1:43:51.720 from twenty other countries and label it product of the 1:43:51.840 --> 1:43:56.679 USA legally on the package. If value is added here, 1:43:56.920 --> 1:44:02.120 it's cut or wrapped or ground. Is that right? Yeah? 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:04.320 Man, if you want to put product of the USA 1:44:04.439 --> 1:44:09.519 on a piece of sown fabric, I'm not sure. Shit's 1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:10.840 a lot higher bar than that. 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:13.680 Well, I'm telling you the law got changed. I think 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:17.160 it was twenty fifteen. We were doing pretty good and 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:22.080 the law got changed, and the suddenly you know, we're 1:44:22.080 --> 1:44:27.280 not doing so good anymore. Huh. We had a we 1:44:27.320 --> 1:44:32.280 had a big wholesale customer last week that my daughter 1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:38.920 was talking to and they had a I wasn't meeting 1:44:38.960 --> 1:44:44.040 at a video meeting online. I mean they showed you know, 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:48.040 the stats on how much they've drown, and you customly 1:44:48.080 --> 1:44:51.160 picked up this was this grocer, that grocer, the other grocer. 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:56.240 They got down to the plan said they're going to 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:59.080 buy the same amount of product from us. They bought 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:04.160 the previous year, and Jenny's it's pretty tough. She said, 1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:07.879 wait a minute, you just showed all these new customers 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:09.719 you got you gonna buy the same amount of product. 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:12.639 Where are you getting it? Because there aren't that many 1:45:13.280 --> 1:45:16.760 large grass fed beef producers left in this country. And 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:20.040 they didn't say anything, and she just sat there and waited. 1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:24.960 She said, are you importing grass fed beef? And they 1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:29.160 didn't say anything. And finally what I said, yeah, yeah, okay, 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:34.000 we import a little bit. So why hadn't we talked 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:37.840 about this before? And I can tell you the name. 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:42.360 Because they're chasing that name grass fed beef, well, not 1:45:42.600 --> 1:45:45.040 chasing the implication, like what the implications are? 1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:48.240 They let the assumption be it's American. They are in 1:45:48.240 --> 1:45:52.120 America's got a very American name, headquartered in Texas. You know, 1:45:52.120 --> 1:45:53.720 it's a very god him. 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:58.479 Do you do you do you worry that the whole 1:45:58.479 --> 1:46:00.640 thing is gonna go could put some's gonna have to 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:01.519 go back the other traction? 1:46:01.760 --> 1:46:07.639 It's going it, Yes, And I worry about it a lot. 1:46:07.920 --> 1:46:13.760 And I really think we okay, I mean White Opa, 1:46:13.960 --> 1:46:16.280 we've been doing it longer than the others. And we 1:46:16.320 --> 1:46:19.040 started twenty five years ago. We sell twenty five million 1:46:19.080 --> 1:46:24.639 dollars stuff a year. We're vertically integrated. We it could 1:46:24.960 --> 1:46:29.320 we're not doing very well, but it's okay. We got 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:31.720 we got we got some debt, but we got a 1:46:31.840 --> 1:46:34.519 lot of assets. And I think we gonna be okay. 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:38.799 I got friends and and people I care a lot about. 1:46:39.400 --> 1:46:42.600 That it has not been okay, and that bothers me 1:46:42.680 --> 1:46:48.720 a lot. I thought, not day one, Day one, I 1:46:48.800 --> 1:46:52.120 just want to raise kays different. But at some point 1:46:52.360 --> 1:46:57.479 in that journey, I came to believe that I was 1:46:57.520 --> 1:47:04.040 an early innovator that was helping figure out a better 1:47:04.080 --> 1:47:08.120 way to produce at least beef, maybe maybe meet in general, 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:12.559 at least beef. And I liked that. I wasn't living 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:15.800 for it, but I liked it. It's not it hadn't 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:21.120 worked out that way the and and I had I changed. 1:47:21.280 --> 1:47:23.840 I went from I've never been a sales when, I've 1:47:23.880 --> 1:47:27.400 never tried to talk people into changing up. But if 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:29.679 somebody came to see me and said I'm thinking about 1:47:30.720 --> 1:47:32.880 going to the grass fed beef business, I said, get 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:34.720 in the jeep, come on, I show you something, and 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:39.400 I show them and kind of promote it, and I consciously, 1:47:39.439 --> 1:47:43.439 consciously made the decision. I got quit doing that because 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:48.040 the people got in trouble and then it could happen 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:50.960 with us. But we're in you know, I mean, I 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:53.240 think we'll be all right now. Enough enough, I allowed 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:55.799 two daughters to come back and have babies on the farm, 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:58.080 so I thought, you know, you know, if you're in 1:47:58.120 --> 1:48:01.240 business for yourself, you never I know this is gonna 1:48:01.240 --> 1:48:03.360 be fine. That doesn't how you know. 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:07.519 The sad part is there'd be a bunch of people 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:14.080 happy if it didn't work, because they're sitting there and 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:18.519 it's like, man, this is kind of challenging that here 1:48:18.560 --> 1:48:20.559 he is talking about a bunch of stuff I'd rather 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:25.880 not talk about drawn making us, you know, people questioning assumptions, 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:28.160 and then if it didn't work, they'd be like, ah, good, 1:48:28.520 --> 1:48:30.280 you're right, because that was getting uncomfortable. 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:34.240 And of course, of course, the you know, the large 1:48:34.360 --> 1:48:41.360 multi national meat processes are so big and so powerful, 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:46.599 and we're they're not worried about how much I sell. 1:48:46.840 --> 1:48:49.120 They spill more than I sell, ye, but they don't 1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:52.000 want people asking the questions. And we talk a lot 1:48:52.040 --> 1:48:55.000 about how we do it. It just be better than 1:48:55.080 --> 1:48:58.560 I talk about that so, and they've done such a 1:48:58.600 --> 1:49:02.160 great job again that group. The term green washing, I 1:49:02.160 --> 1:49:03.560 didn't come up with it, but I used it a 1:49:03.640 --> 1:49:08.639 lot because it very accurately depicts what happens in the market. 1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:15.320 Police years ago, I had a we were interviewing a 1:49:15.320 --> 1:49:20.960 bison producer, and that's kind of a in the West, 1:49:20.960 --> 1:49:23.240 that's a little bit of a touchy subject, like beef 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:27.680 versus bison. And they're talking. He's talking about a lot 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:31.880 of the heat they get, you know, the cattle and 1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:37.880 the things. And he had an interesting statistic where he's like, man, 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:44.240 there's two million cows in this state. I got four 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:49.720 thousand buffalo. But the amount of the focus out that 1:49:49.880 --> 1:49:51.840 is f Like, let's just look at the numbers for 1:49:51.880 --> 1:49:52.439 a minute here. 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:55.519 I don't have that prejudice, but I got I got 1:49:56.439 --> 1:49:59.600 one hundred and fifty something miles of fence on my 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:02.880 farm because we got it cross fenced into the thirty 1:50:02.880 --> 1:50:07.680 acre paddocks. It's not just and uh when and I 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:10.320 used to be the president of the American Grassfeld Association 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:14.160 way back a long time ago, and the bison producers 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:19.280 in there, and those poor folks couldn't hardly give away bison. 1:50:19.720 --> 1:50:22.559 But I started tess one tile of grill and seeing 1:50:22.600 --> 1:50:24.599 other things, said, you know, I believe this bison thing 1:50:24.720 --> 1:50:27.840 might might be all right. And I was adding those 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:32.599 other species. I said, maybe I'll add bison. So it's 1:50:32.640 --> 1:50:35.439 a guy in Alabama had a herd of bison he 1:50:35.479 --> 1:50:38.960 wanted to sell. I rode up there by myself one 1:50:38.960 --> 1:50:41.439 Sunday afternoon, and I didn't want to talk to him. 1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:44.519 I want to look at him. And I start there 1:50:44.560 --> 1:50:49.040 and looked at those bison and I looked at that fency. 1:50:50.000 --> 1:50:51.400 Looked like something from a prison. 1:50:51.600 --> 1:50:57.639 Yeah, and uh, I said, you know, I'm too old 1:50:57.760 --> 1:51:03.120 to start building one hundred and fifty something mile. I 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:05.559 still I still win it from the first time I 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:10.080 built it. I can't start by again. You never reminded 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:11.520 me of going seeing Daddy. 1:51:13.840 --> 1:51:18.200 Really well, man, I do uh one. I hope your 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:21.559 book does good. A bold return. Make sure I get 1:51:22.040 --> 1:51:24.200 a bolder I want to get the subtitle Bolder Turn 1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:27.680 to giving a damn One Farm. Six Generations in the 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:31.640 Future of Food by Will Harris from White Oak Pastures. 1:51:31.720 --> 1:51:35.400 I hope your book does good. It's really it's really interesting. 1:51:38.200 --> 1:51:41.599 It's a it's an interesting informative read from someone who 1:51:41.640 --> 1:51:48.240 observes agg agriculture from the outside. And that's me, right, 1:51:48.240 --> 1:51:50.320 Like I spent a lot of time on farms and ranches, 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:52.960 have friends at farm and ranch, but I didn't. That's 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:55.200 not how I grew up. I just grew up in 1:51:55.200 --> 1:51:57.760 proximity to it. So there's always more to learn, I 1:51:57.800 --> 1:52:04.720 think from a perspective of Obviously, consumers, you know, uh, 1:52:06.600 --> 1:52:10.320 we catch or shoot all the meat weed, but most 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:12.320 people in this country buy meat. So it's a great 1:52:12.640 --> 1:52:15.840 window into what you're buying the history of what you're buying, 1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:21.400 what you're paying for when you buy it. Reading the 1:52:21.400 --> 1:52:23.280 book too, just when you're driving down the road and 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:25.799 you're looking out the window and you're driving through farm country, 1:52:26.400 --> 1:52:29.639 you'll be like, oh, that's why that's that way. It's 1:52:29.680 --> 1:52:33.559 just you learn a lot about about food production. And 1:52:33.600 --> 1:52:36.280 then you also learn a lot about when you're when 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:38.240 you're looking at farms and ranches, how to kind of 1:52:38.280 --> 1:52:41.200 interpret what it is you're seeing, and when you're looking 1:52:41.240 --> 1:52:46.880 at those price discrepancies, when you're looking at those price 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:52.160 discrepancies in the grocery store attached to different descriptors, why 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:56.519 that might look the way it looks because there's a point, 1:52:56.560 --> 1:52:58.280 like you said with chicken, you know, I mean, there's 1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:00.400 a point you're gonna someone's gonna walk walk in. The 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:02.639 consumer is going to walk in and they're going to see, 1:53:02.680 --> 1:53:05.639 you know, chickens on sale for like a buck of pound, 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:09.599 or they're like, well, how why is this? Holes are 1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:11.840 selling his chicken for eight dollars a pound or whatever 1:53:11.840 --> 1:53:15.120 the hell it is. I'm not telling you don't I 1:53:15.160 --> 1:53:17.400 don't know how you're going to break on that buying decision, 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:22.400 but at least you won't feel like it's robbery. You'll 1:53:22.400 --> 1:53:25.519 feel like, oh, that's for that, that's where that money goes, 1:53:25.520 --> 1:53:26.760 Like that's why that's that way. 1:53:27.200 --> 1:53:29.320 Well, there's a lot wrong with the way we produce 1:53:29.439 --> 1:53:33.040 food in this country, sadly, and I was part of that, 1:53:33.760 --> 1:53:37.280 My dad was part of the leadership, and my made 1:53:37.280 --> 1:53:41.320 the decision to go on another way and have really 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:47.559 been pleased with the results, but ready to admit that 1:53:47.600 --> 1:53:51.760 the financial benefit is not going to make room for 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:56.760 a lot of people to do it. It's sad. I 1:53:56.800 --> 1:53:59.640 hope that changes. I don't know whether it will or not. 1:54:00.600 --> 1:54:05.160 In this book, I tried to be as clear and 1:54:05.280 --> 1:54:08.479 honest on that as I knew how to be and uh, 1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:10.600 people have to make their own decisions. 1:54:10.920 --> 1:54:15.400 Oh yeah, it's it's it's I mean, even just talking 1:54:15.439 --> 1:54:19.760 you today, you're I'll tell you one thing you're not. 1:54:19.840 --> 1:54:20.519 You ain't a huckster. 1:54:21.840 --> 1:54:22.160 M hm. 1:54:25.960 --> 1:54:27.960 Like you seem pretty you seem pretty open to the 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:31.840 trade offs, you know. You know, but I think that 1:54:32.280 --> 1:54:34.000 if we had more time, I think we would get 1:54:34.000 --> 1:54:37.640 into and probably could just touch on it for a minute. 1:54:37.760 --> 1:54:43.320 I mean there's also a gamble here and and and 1:54:44.200 --> 1:54:49.880 you explained that if when people look at regenitive agriculture, 1:54:50.160 --> 1:54:52.840 organic agriculture, whatever, and you can make the claim like, well, 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:54.920 how are you going to feed eight billion people on that? 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:59.960 And you raise some questions like, uh, I don't know 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:05.120 that we should feed eight billion people. And the earth 1:55:05.240 --> 1:55:10.120 has it's not debatable there is a carrying The Earth 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:13.640 has a carrying capacity. There's a point at which the 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:18.160 Earth will not support some number, and there's gonna be 1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:22.040 a limiting factor on how many people the Earth can feed. 1:55:22.120 --> 1:55:24.800 If it winds up being that the limiting factor is acreage, 1:55:27.360 --> 1:55:30.920 traditional industrialized farming is gonna be the way to go. 1:55:31.560 --> 1:55:36.520 If the limiting factor winds up being soil, water, on 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:39.360 and on and on. We're gonna have to rethink ship. 1:55:40.720 --> 1:55:40.880 You know. 1:55:41.000 --> 1:55:42.840 It's just like like what is gonna be the thing 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:43.560 we run out of? 1:55:44.680 --> 1:55:48.320 You know, you know, the the the there's so many 1:55:48.440 --> 1:55:50.960 losers in the food production system that we have. 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:51.440 Now. 1:55:55.160 --> 1:56:00.320 I've been criticized for being critical of the farmers. Really 1:56:00.320 --> 1:56:04.360 don't intend to be. They came up in an industrial 1:56:04.440 --> 1:56:09.400 food production system and embraced it and got good at it, 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:12.920 and it's taken risk and that's the way they produce 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:15.760 food and they see nothing wrong with it, and I 1:56:15.800 --> 1:56:23.800 didn't either, But there there are downsides and there are risks, 1:56:23.960 --> 1:56:28.080 and there are problems with it and their environmental you know, 1:56:28.160 --> 1:56:30.680 I don't even talk about health and safety and all that. 1:56:30.800 --> 1:56:33.120 I talk about the things I know about, which your 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:39.640 environmental out of the welfare and the rural economy, and 1:56:39.680 --> 1:56:42.160 the way we've been producing food since World War Two 1:56:42.240 --> 1:56:46.920 has been devastating in those three areas. Some other things too, 1:56:47.200 --> 1:56:51.560 But I don't get into that. That's not my expertise. So, 1:56:52.680 --> 1:56:55.680 you know, should we produce food differently? I think we should? 1:56:56.240 --> 1:56:58.680 Are we going too? I think we are soon a 1:56:58.720 --> 1:56:59.240 little later. 1:57:00.240 --> 1:57:02.240 It's gonna be forced down at at some point. 1:57:02.120 --> 1:57:04.880 I don't know how how bad it's got to get. 1:57:05.320 --> 1:57:11.400 You know that, you know the UH. I quit using 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:15.840 the term organic because you can legally have certified organic 1:57:15.960 --> 1:57:22.200 vegetables grown in a house with artificial lights and high 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:27.720 high gris panically no soil. It's certif out organic. Now 1:57:29.720 --> 1:57:32.240 there's a lot wrong with that, and we could we 1:57:32.280 --> 1:57:34.400 could go down a whole long list of things that 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:39.480 we do that are I think disingenuous and wrong and 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:49.040 and damaging and unhealthy. But until the consumer decides to 1:57:49.160 --> 1:57:53.920 change it, change won't come from the government. Change won't 1:57:53.920 --> 1:57:58.240 come from big multinational corperations. Change won't come from land 1:57:58.280 --> 1:58:01.760 grant universities. I can give you a bunch of other places. 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:08.200 Change won't come from the usda UD. If change occurs, 1:58:08.360 --> 1:58:11.560 it'll be because of consumers. And then it won't And 1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:16.920 it won't happen with consumers until things get really bad. 1:58:17.040 --> 1:58:20.240 The food costs more, I mean, my food costs more. 1:58:20.400 --> 1:58:24.520 I hate that I do, but I can't help it. 1:58:26.640 --> 1:58:27.600 You wish it was cheap? 1:58:28.400 --> 1:58:28.560 Oh? 1:58:28.560 --> 1:58:33.560 I wish? You know A question I hate is I 1:58:33.600 --> 1:58:36.960 can be telling people, a group of people, what I 1:58:36.960 --> 1:58:40.200 think we ought to do to farm to make food better. 1:58:40.240 --> 1:58:45.120 For that where the land and the animal and climate 1:58:45.360 --> 1:58:50.200 and rural communities and whatever else. And I think I 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:52.640 did a good job. And they say, but what are 1:58:52.680 --> 1:58:55.480 you gonna do about all the people that are starving? 1:58:56.840 --> 1:59:00.600 How about you handling that? I got a good idea. 1:59:00.720 --> 1:59:03.560 Let that be your project. You know, I corrected a 1:59:03.560 --> 1:59:06.600 bunch of stuff. You take you take that one. I 1:59:06.640 --> 1:59:09.720 don't know, and you know I'm a I'm as sensitive 1:59:09.720 --> 1:59:14.320 about people being hungry as anybody else. But the fact 1:59:14.480 --> 1:59:17.920 is I simply don't have that ausole. I wrote down 1:59:17.960 --> 1:59:20.480 all the answers I had in this book, and it's 1:59:20.520 --> 1:59:27.560 a great start. But h you know, I can't solve 1:59:27.600 --> 1:59:29.320 world hunger, world peace either. 1:59:31.920 --> 1:59:34.080 Man. I hope you. I mean, it's a great book, 1:59:34.920 --> 1:59:37.680 but I hope you're keeping more detailed notes too, because 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:41.880 if it's all, uh, you know, if in a hundred 1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:44.400 years people like, holy shit, we should have listened to 1:59:44.400 --> 1:59:48.920 that guy from Georgia, I hope he wrote them down 1:59:49.880 --> 1:59:52.200 eighteen inches of peanuts shells, dead cow. 1:59:54.280 --> 1:59:56.480 I give you my word. I hadn't written much. Now, 1:59:57.080 --> 1:59:58.040 I promise you that. 2:00:00.200 --> 2:00:02.240 How did how do identify a dung beetle when you 2:00:02.280 --> 2:00:06.280 see one? You know, well, thanks for coming on the show, 2:00:06.360 --> 2:00:07.400 and thanks for doing the book. 2:00:08.040 --> 2:00:09.880 Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed it. 2:00:09.880 --> 2:00:15.080 This is fun. Uh, you're gonna hate me because, uh 2:00:15.120 --> 2:00:16.680 but what what is the pup date? 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:20.120 Sipton last September, last September. 2:00:21.160 --> 2:00:24.240 Scrub that out, Phil. I just wanted to make sure 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:25.760 I had it right with available. 2:00:25.360 --> 2:00:27.760 Now, very very available now. 2:00:28.320 --> 2:00:31.200 Okay, yeah, if you don't, if you don't believe it. 2:00:31.560 --> 2:00:35.880 Available, get it anywhere anywhere boats are sold. Boulder turned 2:00:35.880 --> 2:00:38.440 to giving a damn one farm six generations in the 2:00:38.480 --> 2:00:40.800 Future of food, Will Harris. If you get into the acknowledgments, 2:00:40.800 --> 2:00:43.200 you'll see our good friend Mark Jerald listening to the acknowledgments. 2:00:44.480 --> 2:00:47.200 Mark's good guy. But don't don't everybody go send the 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:49.480 Mark your proposals. 2:00:49.640 --> 2:00:49.840 Don't. 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:55.280 Yeah, don't send them all your proposes. It's just I 2:00:55.280 --> 2:00:57.080 don't know. I don't know if he digs around, you know, 2:00:57.120 --> 2:01:03.240 and publishing lingo. They call that the slush pile, and 2:01:03.240 --> 2:01:06.200 and and I don't know that they. I can't make 2:01:06.240 --> 2:01:09.600 any promises that he's going to dig around through his 2:01:09.640 --> 2:01:12.040 mail and find your stuff. So if you don't hear 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:14.400 from him, it's not that it wasn't a good idea. 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:19.200 It might just be that he never looked. All right, well, 2:01:19.240 --> 2:01:21.640 thank you man, and uh wait, Oat Pastures. They go 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:27.120 on your website obviously, right pastures dot Com. Make an order. Yes, yes, 2:01:27.320 --> 2:01:29.920 they can go down there, they can look around. Please, 2:01:30.280 --> 2:01:31.720 they can tour the compost site. 2:01:31.760 --> 2:01:32.400 Absolutely. 2:01:33.360 --> 2:01:34.760 I might go in there and you might see me 2:01:34.760 --> 2:01:36.800 out there kicking through those peanuts shells trying to find 2:01:36.840 --> 2:01:39.960 out what exactly is going on under there. 2:01:40.080 --> 2:01:43.920 Everybody, everybody wants to see it. It's just beautiful grass. 2:01:43.960 --> 2:01:47.800 It's just high I mean yeah, really, yeah, it's great. 2:01:47.880 --> 2:01:49.640 A lot of a lot of possums. 2:01:50.080 --> 2:01:55.680 Yeah, you know, we talked about that. If you keep it, 2:01:55.960 --> 2:02:02.880 if you keep it covered, it's incredible. How few apostles, bobcats, 2:02:03.080 --> 2:02:05.800 raccoons very few? 2:02:06.040 --> 2:02:09.360 Well, yeah, there's no vultures undercover. If there's no vultures, 2:02:09.440 --> 2:02:12.480 If there's no vultures, I believe it. All right, thank 2:02:12.480 --> 2:02:14.880 you very much for coming on, and everybody go check 2:02:14.880 --> 2:02:16.720 out the book. Thank you, thank you. All. 2:02:18.960 --> 2:02:23.160 The sun is rising, a light up the coach making 2:02:23.280 --> 2:02:27.560 a stand all day. There's a cold case, a long 2:02:27.760 --> 2:02:34.800 storm out over under seven hundred second half. Please round 2:02:34.880 --> 2:02:38.760 the dogs to the northwest corner the creek. If the 2:02:38.920 --> 2:02:45.640 water rained down season comes, we'll find someplace to hunt. No, 2:02:46.000 --> 2:02:52.040 they're gonna miss this ground. We're selling the farm in 2:02:52.120 --> 2:02:56.600 the morning, all the words and the fields and the fence. 2:02:57.880 --> 2:03:02.520 And I wish somebody could help me in a way that. 2:03:02.720 --> 2:03:09.880 It all made sins while we're raising hell and night, 2:03:11.320 --> 2:03:13.720 even if it's the very last. 2:03:13.480 --> 2:03:21.440 Time, So long to the good days, because the room 2:03:21.600 --> 2:03:23.400 has been taken it hard. 2:03:23.480 --> 2:03:25.720 It's been fifteen years since she. 2:03:25.920 --> 2:03:30.560 Cried our hear of birth, young who loves after the 2:03:30.760 --> 2:03:34.040 lamb went to sleep last night and he died. 2:03:51.360 --> 2:03:54.280 Id eyo stew the farm in the morning. 2:03:55.480 --> 2:03:59.480 All the roads that we made in the mud, we'll 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:00.360 be leave been. 2:04:00.320 --> 2:04:06.080 A lifetime behind us. The generation texts us blood. 2:04:09.200 --> 2:04:14.280 Over raising hell and night, even if it's the very 2:04:14.440 --> 2:04:16.520 last time, and. 2:04:16.520 --> 2:04:23.480 So much for the good thing. There's a new bunch 2:04:23.560 --> 2:04:27.120 of deer in the bottom. I promise to my daughters 2:04:27.120 --> 2:04:32.560 and sons. Don't know how I'm gonna make up the memory. 2:04:33.400 --> 2:04:38.200 I won't stop until I'm done. Don't know what time 2:04:38.320 --> 2:04:40.280 we gotta leave here, tomorroom. 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:45.800 Don't know what I'm gonna say s to them? How 2:04:46.040 --> 2:04:51.879 for upond by tonight. But we're gonna be burning one anyway. 2:04:53.240 --> 2:04:57.680 We're selling the farm in the morning. All the bucks 2:04:57.800 --> 2:05:01.680 send the snacks in the hogs. It's a world, this 2:05:01.920 --> 2:05:10.840 passion memory shift in a couple of saddle songs, Well 2:05:11.000 --> 2:05:15.000 were raising hell the knife, even if. 2:05:14.880 --> 2:05:16.640 It's the very last time. 2:05:16.840 --> 2:05:20.360 And then don't give up on the good days.