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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,

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Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy, a lot going on out there

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Speaker 2: in the world today. Much to discuss. Lines open eight

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Speaker 2: hundred two eight two two eight a two. Let me

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Speaker 2: see first stop big news here that the Trump New

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Speaker 2: York City trial has a date set for March twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: so just a little over a month away. A judge

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Speaker 2: rejected Trump's bid to have that trial dismissed thrown out

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Speaker 2: because it is absurd and flimsy. But we are in

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Speaker 2: really a post legal order now when it comes to

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Speaker 2: all things Donald Trump. We will dive into some of

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Speaker 2: that at the timeline, and also what the political outcome

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Speaker 2: is likely to be or the the upside or downside

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Speaker 2: of bringing this and maybe even getting a prosecution all

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Speaker 2: the way through to a conviction against Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: New York. Meanwhile, take take a look at what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Atlanta. You have Nathan Wade. He is still

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Speaker 2: as we speak to you, testifying in the Fannie Willis

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Speaker 2: ethics probe. Now, remember Nathan Wade, I don't think we

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Speaker 2: have to say alleged because he's admitted, like they've had

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Speaker 2: it there there was it's an affair. Yes, yes, there

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Speaker 2: was an affair. So Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 3: Leaping with her subordinate that she hired on this case,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump in praison for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: So Fulton County DA Fannie Willis brings an unprecedented prosecution

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Speaker 2: of a former president and likely future president who is

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Speaker 2: the current well the facto Republican nominee. And sure enough,

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Speaker 2: Nathan Wade is telling everybody in detail, and Clay's been

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Speaker 2: watching it all morning. We'll get into some of these

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Speaker 2: details in a second, about about the realities of this affair,

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Speaker 2: the duration of it, what was going on, we'll discuss that,

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Speaker 2: and then also second hour or maybe before then, but

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Speaker 2: Clay is going to update us on this shooting that

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Speaker 2: occurred at the Kansas City Chiefs Parade celebration and what

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Speaker 2: we know about it and how the media coverage of

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Speaker 2: it h is probably going to change or just dissipate,

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Speaker 2: I think, very quickly. But we shall discuss all of

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Speaker 2: this and and and a whole lot more. Clay. Let's

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Speaker 2: let's dive into this the the the Fannie Willis case.

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Speaker 2: It is now not the fun. It is the case

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Speaker 2: against Fannie Willis really that we are discussing here, and

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Speaker 2: her ethics are lack thereof What are what were the

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaways from you? Clay's watching this as a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: He's all excited to dive into the missteps of the

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Speaker 2: of the examination here and and everything else. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: What are you seeing? And fundamentally is that is the

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Speaker 2: Fulton County case against Trump plus eighteen dead.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I think probably because all these cases are

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Speaker 3: so complicated, I should reiterate for those of you out

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Speaker 3: there that are having difficulty keeping up, which is I

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Speaker 3: think almost everyone.

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Speaker 2: What is at stake right now in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: This is the case that has been brought in the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta area against Trump is there was an allegation made

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Speaker 3: that Fanny Willis, who is the district attorney prosecuting this

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Speaker 3: case against Trump, that she had been involved in an

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Speaker 3: adulterous relationship with her chief subordinate, Nathan Wade. That allegation

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Speaker 3: was made in an effort to disqualify both Willis and

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Speaker 3: there was an attempt to say this is this is

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Speaker 3: not Jermaine. This is not relevant now. And Nathan Wade

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Speaker 3: has been paid six hundred over six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: that has been introduced in affidavits that makes that clear.

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Speaker 3: And what is at stake right now is an examination

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Speaker 3: riveting this morning. I could not look away. We have

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Speaker 3: I believe is pretty clear perjury by Nathan Wade. Nathan Wade,

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Speaker 3: this all came out because he's in the middle of

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Speaker 2: He said that he did not lie.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, the relationship he has admitted to

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Speaker 3: that they had an adulterous relationship.

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Speaker 2: He said that he did not lie in that.

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Speaker 3: Divorce Affidavid because in his mind his marriage ended in

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. Still married, very intriguing perspective. He says that

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Speaker 2: They are, I believe still married.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that the divorce has been signed off,

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Speaker 3: place on these extravagant vacations. Napa Valley, the Caribbean to

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Speaker 2: Really, listen to cut twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: You said in the affidavit that you roughly shared travel

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Speaker 4: though correct, Okay? So this roughly sharing travel, you're saying

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Speaker 4: she remarked you she did? And where did you deposit

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Speaker 5: It was cash, She didn't she didn't give me any checks.

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Speaker 4: So she paid you cash for her share of all

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Speaker 2: This man okay.

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Speaker 4: And so all of the vacations that she took she

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Speaker 4: paid you cash for, this man, and you purchased all

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Speaker 2: Correct, this man okay?

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Speaker 3: And he also evidently wrote them off on his taxes,

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Speaker 3: ask for all of you out there who have ever

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Speaker 2: Do Barsitiya cash cash obviously not. And beyond this clay

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Speaker 2: you would if you were doing it because you wanted

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Speaker 2: it so that there was a clear written record of it.

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Speaker 2: The reason you would say I paid in cash is

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Speaker 2: because there can be no disproving of the make believe

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Speaker 2: is I think the Atlantic case is effectively dead and buried.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how at this point because and they

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Speaker 2: going to appoint someone else to to a point a

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Speaker 2: new DA. But what's going to happen here is there

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Speaker 2: is no way they're going to be able to get this.

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Speaker 2: They weren't going to be able to get it ready.

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Speaker 2: I think before this was the case that we always

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Speaker 2: and I think what's going to happen is they'll a point,

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Speaker 2: drag it out, they'll talk about it, and then eventually

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Speaker 2: they will say, you know, in the interest of justice,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that this is going to one affect

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Speaker 2: a good thing, But I don't think it'll be able

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Speaker 2: to affect the election outcoming. Beyond that, I don't think

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Speaker 2: anyone will bring it to its terminus because the whole

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Speaker 2: thing looks bad now. And this was always meant to

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Speaker 2: be an exercise first and foremost in politics, not in law,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean. There's a stink that

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Speaker 2: this case now has because of the impropriety, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's going to dissipate quickly. Yeah, you're right

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Speaker 3: So if you're out there and you're saying, Okay, what's

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Speaker 3: the likely outcome here, I think Fanny Willis and Nathan

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Speaker 3: They're going to step down.

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Speaker 2: And people out there who are on the left are

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Speaker 3: The case is still very valid. That's the voice that

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Speaker 3: And remember the new DA, Buck would have to completely

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Speaker 3: refamiliarize him or herself with thousands of pages in filing.

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Speaker 3: What is a robust and substantial record of information. It

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Speaker 3: because I think what happens here is again it's possible

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Speaker 3: I think this is going to play very much into

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Speaker 3: also regardless of whatever your political leanings are, this is

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Speaker 3: an insanely reckless thing for Fanny Willis to have done.

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Speaker 3: She is single, She's trying to put the former president

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Speaker 3: his life. Buck She could have slept with anyone in

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Speaker 3: the rest of his life. Her incompetence and recklessness here

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I think that you can see this.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis, these are

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Speaker 2: prosecutors who have this interesting combination, and you have to

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Speaker 2: wonder if it's maybe a correlation. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's a causation, but a correlation of Trumps derangement syndrome

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Speaker 2: and really loose ethics as a prosecutor, you know, really

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Speaker 2: strange failings. I mean, Jack Smith is a guy who's

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Speaker 2: been slapped down before for overreaching were basically political headhunting,

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Speaker 2: I can't stop, I can't stop laughing about it. Just

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna set these two cuts up from testimony this morning,

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Speaker 2: right away. Clay, let's start with with twenty eight. If

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Speaker 5: My marriage was irretrievably broken in twenty fifteen, ma'am. By agreement,

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Speaker 3: When you heard him there, he has submitted two contradictory

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Speaker 4: I'm asking if you remember paying for a cabin six

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Speaker 4: Did you go to a cabin with Miss Willis ever ever? Ever?

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Speaker 2: among us, has not booked many a cabin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm forty four. I think I've booked the

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Speaker 3: to Gatlinburg, Pigeon Fordes, they stay in cabins. Here's the

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Speaker 3: other thing, Buck, This thing's not making sense.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: I have made the drive a lot because I'm an

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Speaker 3: down to the Atlanta area to go to Braves games.

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Speaker 3: That ain't a fun drive, all right, Everybody who has

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Speaker 3: ever driven listen. I want everybody out there to listen.

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Speaker 3: If you do not know this, I sound like my

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Speaker 3: cousin Vinnie.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: Every single person who has ever driven from Georgia to

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Speaker 3: Tennessee gets caught in the worst traffic in America that

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be the worst traffic in America in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: It does not matter what time you are driving from

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Speaker 3: Tennessee to Georgia or Georgia to Tennessee. You get caught

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Speaker 2: It is brutal.

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Speaker 3: There is no way on earth, Buck, I'm throwing the

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Speaker 3: penalty flag here. There is no way on earth that

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Speaker 3: they drove from Atlanta to Tennessee to have lunch together.

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Speaker 3: That no one has ever done that in the history

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Speaker 3: of the state of Georgia and Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: They may arena also had lunch.

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Speaker 3: They may have also had lunch, and maybe it's gonna

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Speaker 3: and say, well, that ends on what the definition of

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Speaker 2: Actually we clean that up.

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Speaker 3: He spends twenty seconds waiting to answer the question of

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Speaker 2: To to be fair, now, I sound like I'm nickan

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Speaker 2: Wade and Fannie Willis's lawyer. They're they're caught red handed there,

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Speaker 2: there's there are literal receipts. They've lied and what are

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Speaker 2: they gonna do? Are They're just gonna They're just gonna

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Speaker 2: throw themselves on the mercy of the court. And again,

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Speaker 2: I think you know, at some level, yes, this is

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Speaker 2: just about the absurdity of it. But more than that,

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Speaker 2: I think that this is one of four cases against Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is just is is done before it could even get started,

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Speaker 2: before it could even make its way into a court room.

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Speaker 2: It has fallen apart, And I think that has an

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Speaker 2: effect on the public mind about what's really going on here?

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Speaker 2: Right how many so now we have Donald Trump facing

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Speaker 2: for the first time in his life, guys in his

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Speaker 2: late seventies, he's going to be eighty years old soon.

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Speaker 2: He's never been convicted, charged with a felony his entire life,

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Speaker 2: certainly never convicted of one. He faces four felony indictments

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Speaker 2: in his almost eightieth year of life, and before one

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Speaker 2: of them can even go to court, it has completely

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Speaker 2: fallen apart. Another one may be struck down in part

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Speaker 2: or in whole by the Supreme Court. Another one in

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Speaker 2: New York City is so absurd and ob too, it

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Speaker 2: might actually help him if he gets convicted. This is

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing play out right now.

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Speaker 3: Look, yes, I think that to your point, And I've

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Speaker 3: asked this on the show before, and I've never heard

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Speaker 3: anybody give me an example of it happening.

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Speaker 2: I bet it.

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Speaker 3: Never in American history has someone never been charged with

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Speaker 3: they suddenly get charged with felony crimes in four different

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Speaker 3: that has never happened before in the history of American jurisprudence.

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Speaker 3: I would love to know what the case would be

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Speaker 3: that that would occur. Never charged with a felony, never

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Speaker 3: after the age of seventy five, suddenly you get hit

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Speaker 2: I bet it's never happened. Maybe like a medicare fraud.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, maybe it should.

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Speaker 3: Bernie made off, but I don't think they charged him

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Speaker 3: in four different locations, four different non four different locations.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of allheard of the charging in

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Speaker 2: four different places. What would happen in a normal circumstance,

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Speaker 2: And I just know this from a law enforcement side,

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Speaker 2: they sit you down if they can get you in

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Speaker 2: four different states on federal felonies, they sit you down

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Speaker 2: in one and they say, you're gonna take a deal.

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Speaker 2: Here's what we're offering. You know, you never go to

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Speaker 2: trial Clay in four different No one thinks you're actually

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Speaker 2: going to go to trial in four different places, right,

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Speaker 2: four different jurisdictions. That is what Trump is up against

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Speaker 2: because they view it as just shots on goal.

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Speaker 3: Also Buck, Usually what would happen is somebody would say

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Speaker 3: this is the best case. We're gonna roll with this one,

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Speaker 3: and instead they have thrown so much at the wall

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Speaker 3: that I think this is messy.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we'll mean about the plea deal they have,

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Speaker 2: do this. We make the others go away, and here's

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Speaker 2: you know, here's what you'll do, and.

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Speaker 3: That's it for trials. This madness, it is absolutely absurd.

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Speaker 3: We'll take some of your calls, A lot of you

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Speaker 3: it sounded like, Buck. When Nathan Wade was asked about

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Speaker 4: With Miss Willis ever ever ever.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: That is Buck, how long he was like racking his brain.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you he's like, oh my god, is their

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Speaker 3: footage is there? Like he's gonna perjure himself again. I

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Speaker 3: honestly think Buck, this they're gonna get They're gonna get disbarred,

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Speaker 3: by the way. I mean, they're definitely their careers. I

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Speaker 2: Don't know if they're gonna go I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they're gonna go to prison, but I think their careers

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Speaker 2: that there's a sense that they are gonna be something

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Speaker 2: of a of a laughing stock, even to their own side, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that they tried. You know, Fanie

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Speaker 2: Willis tried to be a hero to the Democrats. She

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Speaker 2: had think about what was in the in the future

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Speaker 2: for her book, Deal Speaking Circuit, MSNBC, gig. All of

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Speaker 2: it was there. Whether she wins or loses, by the way,

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Speaker 2: all of it was there. Yeah, And Hubris, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's the one thing I took, by the way from

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones. People always asked me, what's the lesson

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Speaker 2: because it is kind of a nihilistic and vicious show

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. But the one thing from

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Speaker 2: Game of Roans Hubris. No matter who you are, Clay,

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Speaker 2: it'll get you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Buck, She's a single woman. She could have slept with

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Speaker 3: any grown man in the world, except for the subordinate

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Speaker 2: To put the only guy she couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Sleep with in the whole world. Tommy Larry just responded, Buck,

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Speaker 3: which is funny. The heart wants what the heart wants.

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Speaker 3: But I was gonna say, that's how reckless it is.

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Speaker 3: You know, only guys she couldn't sleep.

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Speaker 2: With E slept. What is what is? Unfortunately for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, what is forbidden is forbidden for enticing,

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Speaker 2: you know what. What you are not allowed to have

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Speaker 2: is what you want?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: This is oh man, Clay, look the Atlantic case. I

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Speaker 2: think it's it wasn't gonna happen anyway, and now it's

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Speaker 2: a joke. But I wonder if there's some uh something

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Speaker 2: of a domino effect here wherein people's start to really

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Speaker 2: you know, additional people start to really doubt these other

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Speaker 2: cases too. It's just a sham. Is this if one

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Speaker 2: case is a sham, are they all a sham? I

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Speaker 2: think that's a fair question to ask.

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Speaker 3: I think, and we'll take some of your calls by

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Speaker 3: the way an hour or two. So if you want

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Speaker 3: A two two eight A two, I also think you're

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Speaker 3: asking a good question. I think MSNBC is even throwing

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Speaker 3: Fanny Willis under the bus now and saying she has

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Speaker 3: to resign. That's how bad this is going for her.

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Speaker 3: The pivot that they're going to make get ready for

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Speaker 3: this buck is they're going to say, oh, the case

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Speaker 3: is still really sound. Of course, we just have to

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Speaker 3: get a new DA. There's somebody else running it. They're

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Speaker 3: not going to fold the tenth so to speak on this.

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Speaker 2: But it's over.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this thing is effective. That's that's the reality. So

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about that. I need to talk with you guys.

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