1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This is breaking news from Bloomberg. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: Some breaking news at the moment. Alan Greenspan, the influential 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: economists who steered US monetary policy during his five terms 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: as Chairman of the Federal Reserve under four presidents, died Monday. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: His wife said in a statement he was one hundred. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: This is according to NBC. Right now, let's go to 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: David Wesson with some thoughts on the life of Alan Greenspin. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Greenspan's first exposure to the global financial system he would 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: lead came playing the clarinet in a jazz band at 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: a New Hampshire resort in nineteen forty four, not really 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: understanding at the time that the delegates gathered one floor 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: below him were working through what would become the Breton 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Woods Accords. 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: I was at the Mount Washington Hotel in Breton Woods, 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: New Hampshire. I didn't have a clue what all of 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: that noise around me was. And somebody said there was 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: a big convention here. I said, oh, too bad. I 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: didn't think about it again for seventy five years. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: Forty three years later, he had gone from playing in 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: the band to becoming simply the chairman presiding over the 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. For nearly twenty years. That's the second longest 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: tenure in history. Known for supporting the economy through what 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: became known as the Greenspan put that helped give the 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: United States unprecedented prosperity through the nineteen nineties. Alan Greenspan 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: was the first to admit he didn't know everything, not 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: even he could have anticipated something never taught in economics, 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: the possibility of negative interest rates. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: How in the world did we end up with negative 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: interest rates? Interest rates are a major component of what 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: eccounts called time preference. It's the extent of discounting human 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: beings make about values today versus values tomorrow. 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: But to the end, Chair Greenspan remained focused on the 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: big questions that he found timeless, and especially on the 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: threat posed by our looming national deficit. 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: The one thing that has been a very considerable surprise 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: in recent years is the extent to which unequivocally entitlements 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: of crowding out gross domestic savings dollar a dollar. To 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: get that changed is a huge political issue. 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Though he has been gone from his position at the 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: top of the Federal Reserve for over a quarter century, 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the whole that he leaves will continue on well into 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: the future. 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: That was Bloomberg Stavid Weston with some thoughts on the 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: passing of Alan Greenspan. Former fits here. Alan Greenspan, who 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: died today at the age of one hundred, Isabell Lee 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: joining me Tom Keen is off today Isabelle Lee. So 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: some big news. A influential voice, to say the least 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: five terms as Chairman of the Federal Reserve under four presidents. 49 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: And he achieved celebrity status. I think under President Bill 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 4: Clinton win stocks to record heis. I think the Economist 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: magazine dubbed him a rock star, and a lot of 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: his admirers call him the maestro. Definitely a revered former 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: FED chair. 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one hundred years that it is a 55 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: heck of a run. James Eggohoff joins us here. He's 56 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: the chief US economist for BNP Parrybah. He's in our 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: Bloomberg and directive broker studio. James just huge news from 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: folks like economists, market watchers. Alan Greenspan just a monumental. 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 5: Figure, a huge figure in the history of the Federal Reserve, 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 5: really a dominant in the dominant figure in the way 61 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 5: the Fed communicates with markets, the way the Fed operates 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: in markets. Much of what we debate, including this past week, 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 5: is a reaction to his legacy. How does what is 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 5: the role of the chair versus the rest of the committee? 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 5: Alan Greenspin was an over larger than life figure who 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: set policy pretty much independently. The way he communicates, the 67 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 5: way he would walk around with a big briefrace or 68 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 5: a small briefcase, the signal rate moves, his approach to 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 5: his public speaking. A lot of what we debate now 70 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 5: is a reaction to. 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: His term in office. 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: Even the phrase irrational exuberns is something that he coined 73 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: and I still hear that decades after. 74 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: Well, it's because Alan Greenspan led the economy through the 75 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: nineties through the last time we had a very very 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 5: exuberant tech boom, and so some of these historical echoes 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 5: we hear today. Alan Greenspan, for example, cut rates three 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 5: times that to the failure of long term capital in 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: ninety eight, which we think out which we think Jay 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 5: Powell lifted from very very liberally last year winning cut 81 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 5: rates after tariffs. And so now a lot of debate 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 5: now about whether new chair wars will have to lift 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 5: a page from Alan Greenspan's playbook in ninte ninety nine 84 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: when he took those insurance cuts back. 85 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 6: Well, you forget. 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: I mean mister Greenspan service bed chair chief for eighteen 87 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: years nineteen eighty seven to two thousand and six. It 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: was credit with guiding a record US economic expansion, but 89 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: his legacy was laan or dimmed by the financial crisis 90 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: that erupted in two thousand and eight. James, thanks so much, 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: appreciate it as always. James Egoholf, chief US Economists for BNP. 92 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: Parry bought lots of news flows out here today with 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: mister Greenspan. We want to get some perspective here on 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: these items. John mcleithwaite joints this here, editor in chief 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: of Bloomberg News. He is in our London office at 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: the moment. John talked to us about your thoughts here 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: on Alan green Span. Such an extraordinary career spanning so 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: many years, so many presidencies and reshaping kind of the 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve. Love to get your thoughts on mister green 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: Pen and his passing. 101 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 6: Well, obviously it's a sad day in that respect. I 102 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 6: think he you know, green Span was one of the 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 6: great central bankers on multiple different levels. Really very very intelligent, 104 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 6: also kind of very cryptic in terms of the way 105 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 6: he often communicated to people. But I think he always 106 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 6: had this very long sort of intellectual history, goes back 107 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 6: all the way to the fact that he was involved 108 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 6: with him Anne Rand and stuff like that. He went 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 6: through different kind of intellectual fashions, and on the whole 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 6: he ran the economy pretty well well. There will always 111 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 6: be people who question, you know, how much his loosening 112 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 6: set up the kind of financial crisis, but you know 113 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 6: there were other factors at work there as well. It 114 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 6: wasn't just him. So I think he will he goes 115 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 6: as a giant of central banking. 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 4: What do you think is the biggest legacy that he 117 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: left us with, especially now as the Federal Reserve and 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: questions about it independence continue to hound markets and investors. 119 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 6: That's a good point. I think he was a very 120 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 6: strong advocate of central bank independence. I mean, sometimes you 121 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 6: forget these things that you forget how different the world 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 6: was at one time. But the fact that you ended 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 6: up with Paul Volka, Alan Greenspan, obviously people like Ben 124 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 6: Bananke afterwards. The whole presumption of what they did was 125 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 6: that the Federal Reserve should be separate and independent in 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 6: places like Britain more at the moment. You know, that 127 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 6: was also a more recent things. This is not something 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 6: that has always been there. It's the kind of reputation 129 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 6: that has to be built. And it's interesting the way 130 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 6: that Jay Powell has managed to sort of defend that, 131 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 6: I think actually relatively successfully against some Donald Trump's attempts 132 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 6: to sort of intervene in that area. 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: John, thank you so much for We really appreciate getting 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: your thoughts here and your perspective. John mcclethwaite, he's the 135 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: editor in chief of Bloomberg News. He is in Lumberg's 136 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: London headquarters of Queen Victoria History