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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we gotta

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Speaker 1: stop trying to test the old theory that New York

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Speaker 1: need to. It's Thursday, October twenty third, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be skipping the need to know and getting straight

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Speaker 1: to my live interview with US women's national team legends

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Speaker 1: Julie Boudi and Abby Wambach from earlier this week. I

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Speaker 1: part of the Women's Sports Foundation Athlete Leadership Convention and

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Speaker 1: Faudi and I co hosted alongside Ari Chambers and Latina Robbinson.

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Speaker 1: Last night. What a Time, What an after Party? What

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Speaker 1: an apple I'll be taking Today, Julian, Abby and I

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Speaker 1: chatted about their new podcast with Billy Jean King, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Party, Threats to Title nine, pivoting from greatness

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Speaker 1: on the field to life after sport, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: These are two of my absolute favorites. You're gonna love

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Speaker 1: this one. That conversation's coming up right after this. They

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Speaker 1: need no introduction, but they're gonna get a little bit

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Speaker 1: of one anyway. Joining us. She's a two time Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist, a World Cup champion, a six time winner

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Speaker 1: national team, and her one hundred and eighty four international

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Speaker 1: A New York Times bestselling author, she's part of the

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Speaker 1: Can Do Hard Things and Welcome to the Party. She's

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Speaker 1: free burrito from Chipotle every day for the rest of

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Speaker 1: her life. It's Abby Wambach.

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Speaker 4: It said lifetime, and then I went there one day

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Speaker 1: joining her. A two time Women's World Cup champion, two

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Speaker 5: And so they were chanting, chanting, chanting, and these cops

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Speaker 4: Wait to sum that all up, that's good, thank you.

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm in my twenties and I'm playing on

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Speaker 5: the national team. And the amazing thing is I had

442
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Speaker 5: the Women's Sports Foundation who literally were with me by

443
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 5: my side that entire time, saying, We've got you.

444
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Speaker 2: What do you need?

445
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 5: Need research, you need data, you need stats, right, We're

446
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 5: here for you. So much so that on literally the

447
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 5: night before we wrote our dissenting opinion because we couldn't

448
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 5: get the group to come around to what we wanted,

449
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 5: and we wrote a dissenting report. It was three am,

450
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 5: and we had literally Senator birch By, who was considered

451
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Speaker 5: the godfather of Title nine, sitting on the floor with

452
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: us crafting the report and talking about why this mattered

453
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Speaker 5: so much.

454
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Speaker 3: And the whole reason he.

455
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Speaker 5: Drafted Title nine was because his wife, who he says

456
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 5: was much smarter than him, who did much better than

457
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 5: him in college.

458
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 3: Who did better with.

459
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 5: All of her testing getting a lot degree, never got

460
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Speaker 5: into any law schools, right, she couldn't get into any schools.

461
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 5: And so Title nine was obviously about an educational amendment,

462
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Speaker 5: and the fine print was about women's sports. So he's

463
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Speaker 5: sitting on the floor, and it just gave me hope

464
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: because you saw in the moment when you needed it

465
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 5: most these people rally in the Women's Sports Foundation and

466
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 5: Donna Lopiano and a lot of class who's sitting here,

467
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 5: and Billy Jean King of course is one of our

468
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 5: partners on the podcast, of how much it mattered to

469
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 5: them and they would do anything to help us get

470
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Speaker 5: through this moment. And it also gave me a like personally,

471
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 5: like you discover a lot about yourself when you have

472
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Speaker 5: to be the one voice that's dissenting all the time,

473
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Speaker 5: of like, Okay, I've got to speak up in a

474
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Speaker 5: way I've never really had to, or I've had teammates

475
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Speaker 5: around me that you know their strength and numbers.

476
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Speaker 3: And that's what I love about.

477
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Speaker 5: Being a team is you're much more willing to speak

478
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Speaker 5: up when you know you've got a team that has

479
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 5: your back. And now it was a.

480
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: Much harder situation so.

481
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Speaker 1: It was hard.

482
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Speaker 3: It was really hard.

483
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Speaker 5: Learned a lot about people and that there can be

484
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 5: compromised in situations like that, which was a bit disappointing.

485
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 5: But but I really think what we did with the

486
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 5: descending opinion was important and was Sarah. It's a deep

487
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 5: cut into the history of Title nine, but it was

488
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Speaker 5: an important moment where we made sure that there wasn't

489
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Speaker 5: some setbacks too. As we all know in this room,

490
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Speaker 5: I think the most profound piece of civil rights.

491
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Speaker 1: Legislation and on the sports side that we've ever seen.

492
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Speaker 1: I know that you like to be humble, but I

493
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: have to take a moment and commend you. And I

494
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: think it's a lesson for everybody in this room because

495
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: being the dissenting opinion, being part of the minority, being

496
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: the squeaky wheel for something that a lot of people

497
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: don't care about sucks, and people think that you're not

498
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: fun often if you're that person, and there is no

499
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: one more fun than Julie Foudy, that's right. And I

500
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: just want to say that in your life, you're going

501
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: to have this opportunity to speak up for stuff that matters,

502
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: and people are going to say you're a nag or

503
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: your shrill or your bitch or whatever else women get

504
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: when they fight for righteous things. And that is not

505
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: who you are, but it can be who you are

506
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: on that moment if that's what's required, and you can

507
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: still be fun and great and everyone can love you.

508
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't know a single person that does not love

509
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Julie Foudy. And first, while I'm an overshare already, but

510
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: I also share a lot of my very fun life

511
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: because I'm constantly being accused of being a nag and

512
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: complaining all the time. I'm complaining about shit that should

513
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: have been fixed a long time ago. Not because I

514
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: want to spend my free time doing that. I want

515
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: to spend my free time throwing costume parties, which is

516
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: usually what I do. But when I am throwing costume parties,

517
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm complaining about shit that should have been fixed years ago.

518
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: But you can be both, and I let people grind

519
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: you down and say that you have to just be

520
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: pleasing all the time.

521
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Speaker 5: No, And and what's funny is you can bring the

522
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 5: humor into the descent, like there was a there was

523
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: a moment when they took a really important vote.

524
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Speaker 3: And as everyone knows who knows me, I have a tea.

525
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 5: Bag for a bladder is what I call it. It's leaky,

526
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 5: too much, too much, just enough.

527
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: You have children, you get to say whatever you want.

528
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 5: And this has been my whole life, not even just

529
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: post kids, right, like even like doing pliametrics on the

530
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 5: national team. They're like, foudy, put a diaper on. We're

531
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Speaker 5: doing jumps. And so there was a point during one

532
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: of the hearings where we had to take a very

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 5: important vote and I was off in the bathroom going

534
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: tinkle real quick, and I would sprint. I would sprint

535
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: to tinkle and then i'd come back and I missed

536
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: this vote. And I was like, you took a vote

537
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 5: without me here, and they were like, yes, you were

538
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: in the bathroom. I was like, okay, from now on,

539
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: I would like to make a motion that we bring

540
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: a porta potty into this arena, into this room, and

541
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: I will knock once if it's yes, not twice where

542
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 5: it's no.

543
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: And everyone started cracking up. But I missed the damn

544
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: vote because of my bladder.

545
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Speaker 5: This is in like a very esteemed hall, Yeah exactly,

546
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: and it's like, you know, president of Penn State University.

547
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: But I mean, foundy just again very quick wrapping up

548
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: how much I'm gushing about you, but you have done

549
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: a story about your alma mater, Stanford that didn't paint

550
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: it in the best light. You have gone to see

551
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: child labor in factories for a company that sponsored you.

552
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: You have done investigations into the turf that the people

553
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: that you are calling games play on. Like no moment

554
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: have you ever said they pay my bills or they're

555
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: too important for me to call and hold accountability for.

556
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: And it's just a really tremendous lesson for everybody in

557
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: this room.

558
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: Thank you.

559
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of title nine, it's not perfect, but it is

560
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: necessary to ensure that women and girls keep getting opportunities

561
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: to play. There's nil shifts, there's a proposed score Act

562
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: endorsed by the GOP, the recent House versus NCAA settlement.

563
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: How worried are you abby about the future of women's

564
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: college sports and how much do we need to be

565
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: screaming about it before it's too late?

566
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: It seems like and Julie and I have been talking

567
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: about this a little bit on our pod because the

568
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: great question, it's not like we're talking about the WNBA.

569
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: Kathy Engelbert, the NWSL losing players over to Europe, and

570
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: it seems like nothing ever changes until somebody gets so

571
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: pissed about it that they lose their head and they've

572
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: got to go on a rant, or they shame a league,

573
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: or they shame a commissioner, or or they have to

574
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: shame an entire government to get what they need done

575
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: or to prevent losing some rights.

576
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: Like we all know.

577
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: What we've lost this last year or two. I don't

578
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 4: know what the answers are.

579
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: I feel worried.

580
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: For our government, for sure, our administration. I feel worried,

581
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: but I also feel extraordinarily optimistic when I go to

582
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: some of these protests over the last many months.

583
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: It's actually that.

584
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: Protest and women's sporting events are the only place where

585
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: this my body actually can take an actual breath, that

586
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: I'm with my community, that I'm watching something that is

587
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: fun and engaging, and to watch angel City FC play,

588
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: it's just like it feels a little bit like a

589
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: dream to be a part owner of the team and

590
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: to be able to watch these women do the thing

591
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: that I did in front of twenty thousand plus people.

592
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: When I played, there were like one thousand to two thousand,

593
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: maybe like that was a good game that was like

594
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: a good turn. Yeah, for the end of a cell

595
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: or even previous leagues, WSA and WPS. I don't have

596
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: an answer, but I have this Women in jerseys and

597
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: in uniforms out there on the field are inherently political,

598
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: whether we're out there screaming it from the top of

599
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: the mountain or not. Just using your body as a

600
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: person in minority is a political statement. When we walk

601
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: into rooms, men see us differently, They experience us differently.

602
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: When I walk into a room with my wife, who

603
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: literally calls it the sports for meetings for her, we

604
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: have sat across men and they look at me. Obviously

605
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: I'm more male, presenting more mask and Glennon is more femme.

606
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: But like at the end of the day, we also

607
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: have this thing that they know that I could beat

608
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: them at any sporting event there was.

609
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: And so.

610
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: I don't have the answers, but what I do know

611
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: is that our participation in women's sports really does matter,

612
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: and it matters in a very deep, meaningful way because

613
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: this is the thing that they cherish the most right

614
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: and I think that if we remember that every time

615
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: we go out, whether we want to be outwardly spoken

616
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: about it or not. We have to have the ability

617
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: to play. And if these are the things that are

618
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: at risk or potentially could be attacked, we have to

619
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: make decisions and stand up and fight for ensuring that

620
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: that these games and these women and these leagues are

621
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: solid enough that women always.

622
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: Have a place to play.

623
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: I can't talk about the NC DOUBLEA only because it's

624
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: a confusing place.

625
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: It is, and more so every day. Yeah, at this point,

626
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: if you run, there's something that department you're basically a GM. Yeah,

627
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: a salary cap almost for how much money you can

628
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: allow each player based on the settlements and everything.

629
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 5: Can we can we just put like a cap on

630
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: transfer portal, Like why do we have why can't we.

631
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: Limit it to one?

632
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: You get to transfer one?

633
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: One you get I think you get one freebie and

634
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: then if you want to transfer again after that, because

635
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: who's to say whether your situation requires it, you have

636
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: to sit out of here. Yeah, yeah, and there is

637
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: some sort of penalty, but it's not such that it

638
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: prevents players from finding an opportunity that fits them because,

639
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: because we do know, women's sports is rife with toxic environments,

640
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: So to force an athlete to stay in a situation

641
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: that isn't good is not the answer, but.

642
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: There should be a consequence and then a second one.

643
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

644
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: I firmly believe, like you also have to teach a

645
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: young adult that, like it's not always going to be great. Yeah, right,

646
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 5: toxic environment is very different, but like there are environments

647
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: where you're just not playing right, and like it takes

648
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: a couple of years to build into the program or

649
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: get good enough or confident enough that you could do it.

650
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 5: And if you're constantly just like, oh, oh, let's take that,

651
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: let's go over there, because that's a shiny object that's

652
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: you know, dangling a little more money or the possibility

653
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: to start over there, then you're never building community, right,

654
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: And I look back at my Stanford people, like it

655
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: is robust, the thread of people that are still close

656
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 5: and friends and tight, and I just want people to

657
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 5: have that community.

658
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: And I feel if you're changing.

659
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: Every year, completely agree.

660
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's no loyalty to the team either, right,

661
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: like from a fan standpoint, because you don't know how

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Speaker 5: long they're going.

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Speaker 1: To be there. Well, And that's one of the big

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Speaker 1: things that drive so much interest in women's basketball at

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Speaker 1: the collegiate level that men's loses in the one and done.

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Speaker 1: And so if it becomes the same where every single

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Speaker 1: year all the women are changing teams are leaving, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be harder to keep. This leads me perfectly

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Speaker 1: my next question. But I do want to quickly to

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Speaker 1: your point, Abby, say the anecdote that I always share

671
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Speaker 1: when you talk about the power of women in sport. Foudy,

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Speaker 1: you were there when we were with Angel City at

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Speaker 1: the Sydney Opera House ahead of the World Cup. I

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Speaker 1: interviewed the captain of the Afghani women's national soccer team

675
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Speaker 1: and she and her team had been airlifted and flown

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Speaker 1: to Australia to escape the Taliban when it took over

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Speaker 1: their country, and they were told that they were going

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Speaker 1: first for the educated women and the women who were athletes,

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Speaker 1: because they knew that they were the most embodied, the

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Speaker 1: most sure of themselves, and the most quote unquote dangerous

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Speaker 1: to the advice. No that the girls, the women a Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that they were the most dangerous to the ideas of

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Speaker 1: the Taliban, were women who played sport because of what

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Speaker 1: it means to be embodied. Yeah, And so to know

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Speaker 1: that you have that kind of power, and to look

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Speaker 1: at the organizing power of the ninety nine ers and

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Speaker 1: the organizing power of the people who fought for equity

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Speaker 1: and pay women's soccer, of the WNBA flipping the Senate.

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Speaker 1: These examples of women athletes and teams that come together

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Speaker 1: because they already know what it means to fight for

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Speaker 1: a singular cause. Best idea wins. We're all going in

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Speaker 1: the same direction. That's not how life works. You're going

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Speaker 1: to find out later, once you're not on a team anymore,

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Speaker 1: how much it sucks when people aren't best idea wins.

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Speaker 1: Let's work together. But that's why women are so important.

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Speaker 1: You brought me to my next question. Though. We are

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Speaker 1: celebrating so much incredible growth in women's sports, record investment,

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Speaker 1: better coverage, more media, all that other stuff. But it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of change happening very fast, and I look

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Speaker 1: across the space and I think about a lot of

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Speaker 1: the investors are now men's sports owners because of the

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Speaker 1: billions required to be a part of the game. Leadership

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Speaker 1: maybe without as much vision then, because it's not people

704
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Speaker 1: embedded in the game, it's people who have the money

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Speaker 1: to play it. Toxic environments that are still happening across

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Speaker 1: the space meddling from if any of you saw this,

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Speaker 1: But there was an op ed in the Wall Street

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00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Journal that said that Caitlin Clark getting fouled repeatedly was

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Speaker 1: a hate crime and Congress should look into it. To

710
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Speaker 1: me as a little toe dip of can we get

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Speaker 1: politics involved in shutting down women's sports and affecting the WNBA,

712
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Speaker 1: which is predominantly queer and people of color. To me,

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Speaker 1: that felt like a shot across the bow to try

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Speaker 1: to get Congress involved in a space that's very progressive.

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Speaker 1: What worries you the most? Because we're so excited and

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Speaker 1: it's all positive, but I feel like there's some things

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Speaker 1: we need to be keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 3: What worries me the most is that. And I think you.

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Speaker 5: Need the male allyship for sure, and there and so

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Speaker 5: I don't mind male owners and institutional investors jumping into

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Speaker 5: women's sports at all. I mean, look at Mark Walter,

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Speaker 5: Kimber Walter, right, we're just talking to the King or

723
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Speaker 5: about this the other.

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Speaker 3: Day with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps if Billy Jean King doesn't become a Dodgers owner

726
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Speaker 5: and develops the relationship that she has with Mark and

727
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Speaker 5: kimber Walter, who are of course the owners of the Dodgers.

728
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Speaker 5: Then the PWHL, which is the Women's Ice Hockey League,

729
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Speaker 5: doesn't get founded by Mark and kimber Walter, and they

730
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Speaker 5: are the single owners of six teams. I mean, they

731
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Speaker 5: have brought that league to life. What I do worry

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Speaker 5: about is what you talked about is when you get

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Speaker 5: into situations and we've seen it happen inside these buildings

734
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Speaker 5: where the institutional investor comes in because they see the

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Speaker 5: rate of return in the valuation skyrocketing on women's sports.

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Speaker 3: We're living it with Angel City. Haven't seen that, and.

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Speaker 5: Instead of having a seat at the table as co collaborators, right,

738
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Speaker 5: what you see is the women getting pushed to the side,

739
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Speaker 5: and maybe they're given a token roll as a woman here,

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Speaker 5: but that the main business decisions.

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Speaker 3: Are happening with the men in the room.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I do worry about, because obviously we

743
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Speaker 5: believe that when we can co collaborate together men and

744
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: women like that collaboration means innovation and it means really intelligent, smart.

745
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Speaker 3: Thinking outside the box.

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Speaker 5: Because as we know, men and women's approach women's sports

747
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Speaker 5: very differently, and women approach business very differently. I think

748
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Speaker 5: we're builders of community, We're builders of unity, We're builders

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Speaker 5: of messaging and emotional, visceral things that matter to the

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Speaker 5: women's sports fan, which is very different than the the

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Speaker 5: male sports fan. So I do worry about that, but

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Speaker 5: I see it actually as an incredible space with so

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Speaker 5: much potential for innovation, to rethink how we build stadiums,

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Speaker 5: how we build out infrastructure with training facilities. We are

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Speaker 5: at this moment for women's sports where we're building facilities now.

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Speaker 5: Look at Kansas City, of course, with Angie and Chris Long,

757
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 5: who are two amazing owners of the NWSL, right, you're

758
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Speaker 5: seeing it with the Denver sumbit.

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Speaker 3: They're building the.

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Speaker 5: Second facility and training facility that they're.

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Speaker 3: Going to own. And when women start owning their.

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Speaker 5: Facilities in their stadiums and what happens that infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Can build it differently, build it different I think about

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Speaker 1: Angel City. Is anyone here been to an Angel City game? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I'm telling you it will change your feeling about

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Speaker 1: how all sporting experiences can be. And one of the

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Speaker 1: small things that y'all thought of that I can't believe

768
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Speaker 1: no one else did before is When the game ends,

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Speaker 1: there's a level of the stadium that opens up, and

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Speaker 1: the bar is still open, and it becomes a place

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Speaker 1: for everyone that just watched the game to come mingle together,

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Speaker 1: oh to party. And when I started my show Good Game,

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Speaker 1: I literally named it that because I thought women's sporting

774
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Speaker 1: events were the good place, and that's a TV show,

775
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Speaker 1: so search engine optimization wasn't going to help people find

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Speaker 1: my show, so I did name it Good Game instead.

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Speaker 1: But I thought I was thinking of Angel City Games

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Speaker 1: and how at the end of the game, pretty much

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Speaker 1: everyone in the stands is someone I would want to

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Speaker 1: hang out with and talk to more, and the diversity

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Speaker 1: of representation and the people who were there to watch

782
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Speaker 1: were people I wanted to be friends with. So I

783
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Speaker 1: was so glad that that space was open after so

784
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Speaker 1: I wasn't just sitting alongside people in a line, but

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Speaker 1: actually with them. And I think those kind of ideas

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Speaker 1: will come out of the women's sports space if we're

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Speaker 1: creative and innovative, realizing that we don't have to just

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Speaker 1: be men's sports with women playing them, Which brings me

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Speaker 1: to your show, Welcome to the Party, which is not

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Speaker 1: yet recorded. In that bar after an Angel City game,

791
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Speaker 1: but a good kind opportunity for a live show.

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Speaker 2: I think, good call there.

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Speaker 1: What did you see missing in the space? Why did you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you already have one of the most successful

795
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Speaker 1: podcasts in the world, and you already have achieved so much.

796
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Speaker 1: Why did you want to do a show about women's sports?

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Speaker 4: Two reasons, well more than two, but too like personal

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Speaker 4: and then more business. It's like, honestly, the reason why

799
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Speaker 4: we started We Can Do Hard Things is because Glennon

800
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Speaker 4: looked across the podcast landscape in twenty twenty and saw

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Speaker 4: a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: Mediocre white dudes.

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Speaker 4: That have like taken over the manisphere and thought they're

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Speaker 4: doing it. Maybe, yeah, we can try.

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Speaker 1: This, and also probably ew yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean yes for sure. And so that's one reason in

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00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 4: terms of why we started podcasting in general. And then

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Speaker 4: this kind of this transformation that I've been going through

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Speaker 4: for the last many years.

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Speaker 2: I miss sports.

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Speaker 4: And I've been actively kind of staying outside of it.

812
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Speaker 4: Before I felt like I was ready to come back,

813
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Speaker 4: and I and I was kind of kicking the idea

814
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Speaker 4: around with Glennon. We took the weekly New Hard Things

815
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Speaker 4: podcast independent and are now running it ourselves because again,

816
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: once you all get into the world of business, you

817
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 4: will realize that there's a lot of people between you

818
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 4: and any community that you're trying to serve, and oftentimes

819
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Speaker 4: along that path there are middle men or people that

820
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Speaker 4: are taking percentage points, percentage points percentage points away and

821
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Speaker 4: or changing the content as it goes out to appeal

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Speaker 4: and appease to sponsors or bigger business that you're in

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Speaker 4: bed with, right and so this idea in this move

824
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Speaker 4: to go independent was to have complete autonomy and control

825
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Speaker 4: over what ads we run, if we run ads, how

826
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Speaker 4: we do the content, etc.

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Speaker 2: And not being attached to.

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Speaker 4: A bigger corporation that in you know, in the world

829
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Speaker 4: of the corporate landscape, feels a little bit daunting right now.

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Speaker 4: So in the process of building out the independent production company,

831
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Speaker 4: I started kicking out around the idea with our ad

832
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Speaker 4: agency that we work with, what would it be like

833
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Speaker 4: if I started a podcast and how much money do

834
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Speaker 4: you think we could make and how would this work?

835
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Speaker 4: And so that's honestly when I started thinking about it,

836
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Speaker 4: and I knew Julie was trying to figure out a

837
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Speaker 4: place for her Laughter Permitted podcast to land, and unbeknownst

838
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: to me, I just decided. One day on the drive

839
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Speaker 4: to an Angel City game, I said to Glennon, I

840
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Speaker 4: think we're going to start a women's sports podcast. She's like,

841
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Speaker 4: that's amazing. And fast forward thirty minutes I see Julie

842
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: who's talking to Billy Jean King. They were also talking

843
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: about starting getting together and figuring out a podcast world

844
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Speaker 4: that maybe Billy could tap into, and I was like, well, maybe.

845
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Speaker 2: We should do this.

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Speaker 1: So Universe inspired very.

847
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Speaker 3: Much did And of course it was at an Angel

848
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Speaker 3: City game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it very much did. It very much did.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's it's not for the weary, Like

851
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Speaker 4: podcasting in general, it's a heavy lift. It's not just

852
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Speaker 4: like I'm going to show up and talk about like sports.

853
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: It's like there's a ton of pre production. There's there's

854
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Speaker 4: thinking about long term calendaring. Here we are with the calendaring.

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Speaker 4: If you take anything away from this, figure out the

856
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Speaker 4: calendar and you'll be good.

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Speaker 5: Well now, and then just get Billy Jean King to

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Speaker 5: do a podcast with you.

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Speaker 1: That helps that Now you can be a whole lesbian

860
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Speaker 1: because you had the half of talking ideas to death

861
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: with your other podcast, and the other half is of

862
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: course sports that's right.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, now I'm a full lesbian moment.

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Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break more with Julian

865
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Speaker 1: Abbey right after this. We're running out of time. But Foudy,

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Speaker 1: do you have a quick thought on why you thought

867
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Speaker 1: that this was? What do you want to add to

868
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Speaker 1: the space that is there?

869
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Speaker 5: I think when you have someone like Billy Jean King,

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Speaker 5: who has literally been the thread that runs through all

871
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Speaker 5: of women's sports for four or five decades, right, and

872
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Speaker 5: and then you go into a playing career beyond that,

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Speaker 5: like this woman has fought for every sport at every

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Speaker 5: for everything, and when she was considering and she's been

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Speaker 5: asked a lot by a lot of people to get

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Speaker 5: into the podcast world and said, I'm really interested in

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Speaker 5: this because also she was the one that taught our

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Speaker 5: team and said to me thirty years ago, what are

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: you as players doing about this? You, Foudy, what are

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00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 5: you doing? You get the players together and you fight,

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00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 5: you have a voice, and basically like spread her fairy

882
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 5: dust on us as she does and said do more.

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00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: You can do more and unleashed.

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00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: What I think became then equal pay for the US

885
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 5: women's national team. In twenty twenty three, it started thirty

886
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 5: years ago with Billy Jen King saying that to us,

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00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 5: and so to have the opportunity to archive her stories

888
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Speaker 5: and her voice and what she's done in this woman's

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00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: sports to days is one and then two. It's like

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Speaker 5: what Billy taught me.

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00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: I then passed on to Abby, and Abby passed.

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Speaker 5: On to Alamgam and Kristin Press and the next group

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Speaker 5: that had to fight for equal pay. And so the

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Speaker 5: idea of three athletes who have done it at our level,

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Speaker 5: of course, but who have cared so much about all

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Speaker 5: the things that have gone into building women's sports, and

897
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 5: like it's just fun. Like when I'm around Billy, I'm laughing.

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00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 5: When I'm around Abby, I'm laughing, like it's fun. And

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Speaker 5: so when she's the three of us are together, we're laughing.

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Speaker 3: It's a party.

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00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 5: When that name got thrown at us, we were like,

902
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: that's the podcast name because that's what it feels like.

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00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: And so anytime you get to work with teammates and

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Speaker 5: diar friends and mentors and icon like Billy Jan King,

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00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 5: you say yes as fast as you can and as

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Speaker 5: loud as you can.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Well, and it's just a couple months old, but there

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00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: have been a couple of things like live events and

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00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: other things that I think are going to be so

911
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: fun to see as you continue to build out the

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Party space, and I do like all

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Speaker 1: the positivity, good game, welcome to the party, good vibes,

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00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: all of our shod stuff. Okay, we're out of time,

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00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: so I'm glad y'all have your popcorn because we have

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Speaker 1: one final question for both of you. We play a

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00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: little game. It's similar to bench start cut. It's a

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00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: little nicer because you don't have to cut anything. It's good, gooder, goodest.

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00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh this is good Okay, so so bad. It's gooder,

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00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: starting with good and then gooder and goodest. Michael Singers

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00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: The Untethered Soul, Glennon Doyle's Untamed and Abby Wombos.

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Speaker 4: Wolf Pack, wolf Pack is good, Michael Singer's good Abby Wombos, Gooder,

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Speaker 4: Glennan Doyle's Goodest.

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00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: Okay, you said you've read On Tethered Soul more than

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Speaker 1: any book ever.

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Speaker 4: It's true, but I can't put another author in front

927
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Speaker 4: of me and my wife.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there you go, very smart, very smart, foudy, good, good, gooder, gooddest.

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Speaker 1: Christine Lily's Caps Record Oh.

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Speaker 3: Shit, I know you're gonna do this to me. It's teammates,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Abby Wombo goals record, Come on, goalie wins record.

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Speaker 3: Hope, So those wins record good?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well they have the two Christie caps and Abby's and.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's got to be Lil wins because it's

936
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Speaker 4: still a standing record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, here's.

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Speaker 1: A standing for the US. Yeah, Christine Sinclair, Yes, and.

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Speaker 5: We love sing Canadian Canadians careful we might be all

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Speaker 5: living there sit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go Abby Gooder and Lil's.

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Speaker 3: Goodest because it's little Lil. How many caps did you say?

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Speaker 1: Three?

945
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Speaker 2: Four thirty four?

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Speaker 5: See Lily who played for over two decades, like twenty

947
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: five years with the national team. She played over the

948
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 5: course of span three decades, has played more international games

949
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Speaker 5: for the United States than any male or female soccer

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Speaker 5: player ever. Like the longevity of that woman, and that'll

951
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Speaker 5: be beat and one of the best players to ever

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Speaker 5: play the game. On top of it, not just the longevity,

953
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Speaker 5: like the consistency to her greatness.

954
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Speaker 1: Who we started with the w story, we'll finish with one.

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Speaker 1: We all did an impossible workout at one of the

956
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Speaker 1: Summits and then we all hopped on the bus to

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Speaker 1: drive back to the hotel and Christine Lily ran back.

958
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, I'm good.

959
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: Quick five mile on the way back to the hotel.

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00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: She's different, she's different.

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Speaker 1: Different, y'all are different. Y'all are the best. Thank you

962
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: so much for sitting down giving us all your insights.

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00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for being great listeners.

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00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: Wait hey, and I don't know if you keep us

965
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 5: on the pod. I know you're out of time, but like,

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00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 5: can we just give a used round of pause to

967
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: Sarah Spain because this woman, let me tell you, she

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00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 5: does a podcast every single day and is the voice

969
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 5: of the women's sports space. And what she does in

970
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 5: this space like it's my go to listen for just news, information, laughter,

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00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: Like to be able to do what she has done

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Speaker 5: consistently for so long, whether it was at ESPN still

973
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 5: with espnW, what she's doing.

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Speaker 3: Now with iHeart and all of that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're pushing it out to how many radio

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00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 5: stations did you say where she gives updates and.

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Speaker 1: Every day I do women's sports updates now three times

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00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: a day for all five hundred iHeartRadio stations. So if

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00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: you're getting traffic news and whether you're getting women's sports

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00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: along with it instead of just listening and hearing men's every.

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00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: Day, isn't that so good? Like that's what changes the culture.

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00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: And I also just want to say women in general

984
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: want each other to win. Yes, And some people might

985
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: think Welcome to the Party is in competition with good

986
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 4: game that seriously, because I think that we have to

987
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 4: be very smart and strategic around how we get more content,

988
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: more talent, more retired athletes are current athletes in the

989
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 4: world of women's sports, and not just like being playing,

990
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: the talking about it also is a thing because the

991
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: world has to know who is playing and what is playing.

992
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: So we cannot be more proud that Sarah has had

993
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: the career that Sarah's had, but that she's gone and

994
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 4: is creating such incredible content. And I honestly I listen

995
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: to your stuff to know what I'm going to talk

996
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: about on my podcast sometimes.

997
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Thank you good to quote the very wise Abby Wambach.

998
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: If there's no seat at the table, screw pulling up

999
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: a chair and build a new table. Thanks again to

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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: Abby and Julie for taking the time to hang out.

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00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: We got to take another break stick here. If you

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00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: love women's sports, welcome back slices. We love that you're listening,

1003
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: but we wanted to get in the game every day too,

1004
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: so here's our good game play of the day. Go

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Speaker 1: check out Welcome to the Party, Abby and Julie's podcast

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Speaker 1: with the legendary Billy Jean King. And while you're there,

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Speaker 1: listen to We Can Do Hard Things, a show that

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Speaker 1: has changed my perspective and educated me on so many things. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: that podcast has changed my life. And check out the

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Speaker 1: book Abby and her co host's wife Glennon Doyle and

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Speaker 1: sister in law Amanda Doyle recently released the books, also

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Speaker 1: called that We Can Do Hard Things. Yours truly is

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Speaker 1: one of the guests quoted in the book. And when

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Speaker 1: I tell you the scream I scrimped when they invited

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Speaker 1: me on the show, and the squeal I squelt when

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Speaker 1: they asked if they could put my words in the book.

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Speaker 1: Y'all I love those three. I bet you will too.

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Speaker 1: girl's girl review ten out of ten Most important life

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Speaker 1: Realizations rating. If you're anything like me, and you grew

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Speaker 1: up loving sports, playing sports, and wanting to be outside

1027
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Speaker 1: all day, that meant you got the nickname tomboy, and

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Speaker 1: wanting to talk about your favorite teams and sports often

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Speaker 1: meant turning to the men and boys in your life.

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Speaker 1: They were the ones raised to believe that sports were

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Speaker 1: not just their domain, but a required area of studying

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Speaker 1: for them to make it through life. So you started

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Speaker 1: saying dumb stuff like I'm a guys girl and most

1034
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: of my friends are guys to prove that you belonged

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Speaker 1: and that you weren't one of those girls who couldn't hang,

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00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: one of those girls who didn't get ball. It wasn't

1037
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Speaker 1: really true, though. You had a lot of girlfriends, and

1038
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: the more women that you met who played and loved

1039
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: sports just like you, the more you realized you didn't

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Speaker 1: have to be a guys girl to prove you belonged

1041
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: in sports, and in my case, finding my people other

1042
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Speaker 1: women and non binary folks who were waking up early

1043
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: to Tailgate, devouring game previews, setting fantasy lineups and dvring games,

1044
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Speaker 1: and screaming no spoilers. When life got in the way,

1045
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: the more I got to stop trying to prove myself

1046
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: and just got to be myself feminine, masculine and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Abby, Julie and so many other badass women

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Speaker 1: I've met over the years have now made me a

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Speaker 1: proud girls girl. Now it's your turn, rate and review.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good Game, Abby and Julie.

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Speaker 1: Good Game Women's Sports Foundation You the Score Act. Good

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Speaker 1: Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production

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Speaker 1: in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network, our

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Speaker 1: producers are Alex Azzie Grace Lynch, Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan,

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Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Rudder, Britney Martinez,

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Speaker 1: and Gianna Palmer. Production assistants from Avery LOFTUS and I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Sarah Spain