WEBVTT - Ep. 472: A Foxy Stowaway, Public Land Controversies, and Baby Boy Callaghan

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<v Speaker 1>From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Col's Week in Review with Ryan col Kalahan. Here's Cal.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week we brought you news of a coyote who

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<v Speaker 1>swam to and from the Rock. Ah, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad Sean Connery, let me give it to you this way,

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<v Speaker 1>your best Losa's only whine about doing that best The

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<v Speaker 1>Rock is that better? It's got to be better. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>finish that quote. Go watch The Rock, which if you

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<v Speaker 1>listened last week you already have. It's a wonderfully bad movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but fantastic Nick Cage and Sean Connery great one liners.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like that like overlay of like some history

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<v Speaker 1>in there. It's fun. Anyway. This week we're covering a

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<v Speaker 1>canid who crossed a much, much bigger body water, the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic Ocean. Earlier this year, a red fox stowed away

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<v Speaker 1>on a car carrier ship leaving from Southampton, England, arriving

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<v Speaker 1>in the Port of New York and New Jersey in February.

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<v Speaker 1>After being discovered, the fox was quarantined at the Bronx Zoo.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good thing he didn't slip off the boat undetected.

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<v Speaker 1>Vet's discovered that the fox was carrying a parasite called

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<v Speaker 1>French heartworm, which is just regular old heartworm with a

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<v Speaker 1>fancy accent and a cigarette joking aside, French heartworm is

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<v Speaker 1>rare in the US and can be fatal to canids.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's great news that this fox was treated without

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<v Speaker 1>spreading the parasite. I can't imagine it just got treated anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week the Bronx Zoo declared the fox was disease free.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists there also named the fox Basil, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>good name, even if I don't love the practice of

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<v Speaker 1>giving names to wild animals, although now I guess Basil

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a wild animal. The Bronx Zoo doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>red fox, and so this one might end up staying there,

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<v Speaker 1>or he may be transferred to a different animal sanctuary.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all heard stories of crafty foxes escaping red coated

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<v Speaker 1>hunters on horseback by crossing back over their tracks or

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<v Speaker 1>traveling only at night but to stow away on a

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<v Speaker 1>cargo ship headed for the USVA. That's taking the term

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<v Speaker 1>sly fox to a whole different level. This week land

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<v Speaker 1>access legislation and he shot my paw. But first I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you about my week, and my week

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<v Speaker 1>has been a little more wild than usual. The pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>lady whom I was just told by some listeners that

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<v Speaker 1>I referred to my partner Sam in many ways other

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<v Speaker 1>than fat, But those terms that I use meant fat

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<v Speaker 1>right here on this here podcast, Well, Sam is not

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant anymore. The kid is here, baby Boy Callahan, the

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<v Speaker 1>sixth generation of Callahan's here in the Treasure State, was

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<v Speaker 1>born on the twenty second, meaning that we were contractions

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<v Speaker 1>were happening while I was recording this podcast. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>should address the quote and alleged fat references. We practice

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<v Speaker 1>positive body image here in this house, especially when referring

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<v Speaker 1>to everything other than my beer belly. Bigger is better

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<v Speaker 1>in the baby game, so far as my knowledge goes,

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<v Speaker 1>so big is success and good and beautiful. And you

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<v Speaker 1>may argue with me about that, but you cannot argue

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<v Speaker 1>about the end result. The kid's so handsome that I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't walk the fifteen feet across the operating room. We

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in like an emergency C section scenario without

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<v Speaker 1>someone stopping me to say, wow, that is a good

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<v Speaker 1>looking baby, to which I said thank you and they said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't understand, but don't always look that good, to

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<v Speaker 1>which I said, yeah, I'm not someone who compliments babies,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one is so handsome. I need to go

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<v Speaker 1>figure out who the father is. Anyway, we got six

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<v Speaker 1>days of keeping a tiny human alive under our belts.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom's tough and kicking butt. Kid is eating like a

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<v Speaker 1>monster and gaining a little bit of weight on the

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<v Speaker 1>right track. A couple of big takeaways so far from

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<v Speaker 1>early fatherhood. For all the crap people in the guiding game,

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<v Speaker 1>get about like being itinerant bums and you know season

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<v Speaker 1>employees dirt bags well, blah blah blah blah, that life

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<v Speaker 1>had taken care of other people and making sure you

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<v Speaker 1>are the first one up and operating for a week

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<v Speaker 1>or ten days on little to no sleep before a

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<v Speaker 1>day of recharge, multitasking your butt off and keeping things safe, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that really preps a fella for the dad life. May

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<v Speaker 1>not be doing it the way the TikTok influencers are

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<v Speaker 1>or the nurses in the hospital would prefer, but we

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<v Speaker 1>smell nice and eat well and no missing digits or

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<v Speaker 1>scars or diaper rash. Yet for those who have not

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the c section game takes MA out

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<v Speaker 1>of the quick movement and lifting any weight game for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. Plus, I mean, jeez, childbirth is wild. We

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<v Speaker 1>are mammals. It's a good reminder. Other takeaway, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>named a puppy before I got to hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>it for a while. I'm not one of those people

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<v Speaker 1>that comes up with names ahead of time. So baby

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Callahan came home with the name baby Boy Callahan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something people do not like, and I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>doing it any other way. But my god, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation that I wish would end. Makes one wish you

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<v Speaker 1>had a generic name that you just lie to everybody with.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's hard to top that news, but I

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<v Speaker 1>got a little corner crossing update from Montana Fish, Wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>and Parks today. Christy Clark, the director of Montana Fish,

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<v Speaker 1>Wildlife and Parks, just announced a directive issue to the

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<v Speaker 1>Public Land and Public Water Committee to review corner crossing

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<v Speaker 1>access programs provided by the state and ways to increased

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<v Speaker 1>land owner participation in those state access programs designed around

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<v Speaker 1>opening up like easement style corridors to landlocked parcels, and

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that could be applied in areas where you

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<v Speaker 1>have quote unquote problem corners. What is the Public Land

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<v Speaker 1>Public Water Committee, you may ask, Well, it was created

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<v Speaker 1>back in ninety three to help advise the governor and

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<v Speaker 1>FWP on landowner relations and access programs. PLWP can support

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<v Speaker 1>legislation and provide recommendations. Recently, the committee backed increased payments

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<v Speaker 1>for landowners in block management. We've had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things here, So we had, you know, backcountry hunters and

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<v Speaker 1>anglers in Public Landwater Access Association entered a joint suit

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<v Speaker 1>against the State of Montana seeking a declaratory judgment on

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<v Speaker 1>corner crossing, a real black and white definition for all

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<v Speaker 1>of us to run on. And then our Land Board

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<v Speaker 1>voted to kind of adopt a lot of new language

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<v Speaker 1>and pro One of those seems to imply that state

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<v Speaker 1>lands that are accessed through corner crossing would be considered

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<v Speaker 1>not accessible and land swaps of state land. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the big barriers is if it's in use by the

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<v Speaker 1>public and accessible by the public, it's a lot harder

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<v Speaker 1>to swap those parcels. So those two things have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we just got this statement or public notification

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<v Speaker 1>basically that the Public Land Public Water committee would be

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on finding some access solutions. So I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, show some good intent, some movement would be

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<v Speaker 1>good if it was a long time ago. Just remember

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<v Speaker 1>that no matter what side of the barbed wire you

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<v Speaker 1>stand on, public or private, we are all trustees of

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<v Speaker 1>the public estate. We are public landowners, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>have access to those lands while respecting and preserving private

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<v Speaker 1>property rights. It literally happens every single day and has

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<v Speaker 1>happened every single day. The crazy comes out when folks

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<v Speaker 1>start acting like this is a new concept. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not moving on. We're just trickling into June here after

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<v Speaker 1>a season of historically low snowfall across the West. We

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<v Speaker 1>have more updates on Crazy Mountain Ranch, the ultra luxury

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<v Speaker 1>Montana golf course with a long track record of racking

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<v Speaker 1>up water violations CMR. Crazy Mountain Ranch is now petitioning

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<v Speaker 1>the Park County District Court to gain quote unquote exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>authority to control a ditch carrying water to their golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>The hearing on the petition will take place on June third.

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<v Speaker 1>To get a sense of whether these are folks we

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<v Speaker 1>can trust to make water diversions without oversight, It's important

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<v Speaker 1>to look at their history after CMR was caught watering

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<v Speaker 1>their grass without proper permits in twenty twenty four, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got to keep in mind, this is the arid

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<v Speaker 1>West right that ditchwater is largely from snowpack located in

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<v Speaker 1>this case in the Crazy Mountains, and it runs down

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<v Speaker 1>stream for everybody. Montana Department of Natural Resources and Conservations

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<v Speaker 1>sued the club to stop, but the club continued to

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<v Speaker 1>use water illegally, and so the state Water commissioner shut

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<v Speaker 1>off supplies entirely. To resolve the dispute, the club and

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<v Speaker 1>the DNRC sent a consent decree where the state would

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<v Speaker 1>expedite review of the club's existing permit applications and the

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<v Speaker 1>CMR would stop using water in violation of the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>But almost immediately the club began trucking in one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten thousand gallons of water per week, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>investigators found that the City of Boulder, Montana, was selling

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<v Speaker 1>much of this water to CMR from a well that

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<v Speaker 1>had no water right that violated both the Montana Water

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<v Speaker 1>Use Act and the consent decree the club had signed.

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<v Speaker 1>The DNRC fined the club eight thousand dollars one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per day for using the unlawful well. CMR then

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<v Speaker 1>refused to pay that fine, saying it wasn't their responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that Boulder could legally sell them the water.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Boulder had been isn't that well for years

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<v Speaker 1>without proper rights due to a clerical error, and so

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<v Speaker 1>in March, the district court ruled in CMR's favor, allowing

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<v Speaker 1>them not to pay the fine, but warning, quote, make

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<v Speaker 1>damn sure that the water you put on those soddid

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<v Speaker 1>acres is compliant. After the rule, the same commissioner who

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<v Speaker 1>turned off CMR's water gave it a quote to the

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<v Speaker 1>press that he probably shouldn't have, saying, quote, it could

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<v Speaker 1>really be tight on water this year. It should stay

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<v Speaker 1>limited to egg use. I think CMR is citing this

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<v Speaker 1>quote as evidence that the commissioner won't act impartially and

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<v Speaker 1>a reason the club should have control over the water

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<v Speaker 1>ditch without oversight. Justifying their position, the general manager of

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<v Speaker 1>CMRS said they needed to quote react to water flows

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily, sometimes even hourly basis. The headgate is

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<v Speaker 1>on our property and we cannot expect the water commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>to be there at all times. But that's a far

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<v Speaker 1>cry from removing commissioner oversight altogether. Nearby water user Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Knutsun said quote, if one user can manage its own

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<v Speaker 1>diversions without independent oversight, it weakens the system that protects

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<v Speaker 1>every water user in Montana and sets a dangerous precedent.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does mean dangerous precedent. The saying whiskeys for

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<v Speaker 1>drinking waters for fighting is all around the West, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of situations that are very similar to this,

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly like this right in relation to the agriculture

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should ride in, do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>water should be used for growing fat cattle, tall grass,

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<v Speaker 1>improving feed and habitat, maybe growing some food for America?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you think it should be used to irrigate

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<v Speaker 1>some Kentucky bluegrass in a spot that only a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of people have access to with a high high barrier

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<v Speaker 1>to entry. The hearing to decide the matter is on

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<v Speaker 1>June three. If the district Court allows CMR to control

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<v Speaker 1>this headgate without oversight, all the foxes in the area

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<v Speaker 1>should take no. Maybe they can petition to get unrestricted

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<v Speaker 1>oversight of their local chicken coops. Moving on to the

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce vote, last Monday, Donald Trump's pick for head of

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<v Speaker 1>the BLM, Steve Pierce, was confirmed by the US Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've covered before, Pierce's record isn't great, with a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of statements and votes showing support for selling

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<v Speaker 1>public lance. This vote was an early test for the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Senate Stewardship Caucus, a bipartisan group of four

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and four Republicans, similar to the Public Lance Caucus

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<v Speaker 1>in the House. The Senate Stewardship Caucus split along party

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<v Speaker 1>lines to confirm Pierce, with one of the Republican members,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Tillis of North Carolina, deciding not to vote. The

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<v Speaker 1>administration seemed to know that Pierce wasn't the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>pick because they packaged together his nomination with almost fifty

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<v Speaker 1>other officials. Now do I think it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>worth the political capital for the Republican members of the

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<v Speaker 1>caucus to demand that Pierce be broken out from the

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<v Speaker 1>other nominees and then vote him down. Not necessarily, but

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of this group is to defend our

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<v Speaker 1>public land, and so waving through a BLM director who

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<v Speaker 1>is on the record saying, quote, we do not even

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<v Speaker 1>need most of those public lands might be strike one. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll wait and let Pierce prove himself one way or another.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he takes actions that sacrifice public land, or

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<v Speaker 1>if another public land sale comes around, this caucus needs

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<v Speaker 1>to pull together and do the right thing to risk

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<v Speaker 1>becoming irrelevant, and you know, we want them to succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>We need Unfortunately, a lot of reliable folks at the

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<v Speaker 1>BLM have moved on to greener pastures. At least seven

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<v Speaker 1>BLM state directors or associate state directors left the agency

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<v Speaker 1>in April. Institutional knowledge turnover is tough. Now. This past

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<v Speaker 1>Monday was Memorial Day. Memorial Day is the day that

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<v Speaker 1>we should chill out a little bit and think about

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<v Speaker 1>all the actions of the folks in the armed services

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<v Speaker 1>that have got us protecting our freedoms and interests across

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<v Speaker 1>the world. It's public service, man, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>civil service role. And I know lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 1>folks who have taken up that charge and challenge many

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<v Speaker 1>who are still out there and we're involved in conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. So in the spirit of Memorial Day,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, you know, very thankful for the actions of

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<v Speaker 1>those folks who have signed on and joined up and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come home or sometimes came home and had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of tough challenges getting back in

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<v Speaker 1>the old civilian swing of things. Memorial Day is also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the kickoff to summer for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Our temperatures start to really crank up, which typically means

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<v Speaker 1>that bears should be entering like a lull between the

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<v Speaker 1>heightened activity of the late rut which typically runs into

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<v Speaker 1>you know, June, first week of June, and that hyper

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<v Speaker 1>faget of leaving the den and trying to pack on

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<v Speaker 1>as many pounds that occurred early in the spring. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was very surprising to read this week that a

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<v Speaker 1>two year old black bear was shot and killed in

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<v Speaker 1>the suburban neighborhood and Canby, Oregon. According to Katei n

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<v Speaker 1>Channel six, the bear had come within a few blocks

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<v Speaker 1>of a farmer's market as well as the Clackamas County Fairgrounds.

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<v Speaker 1>The bear climbed a tree, a classic strategy to avoid conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the bear came back down, neither the local

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<v Speaker 1>police nor the Department of Fish and Wildlife had a

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<v Speaker 1>tranquilizer gun on hamp According to the news report, the

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<v Speaker 1>bear was not acting aggressive and had not threatened anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>but police shot the bear out of an abundance of

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<v Speaker 1>caution because several people had gathered around the tree to

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<v Speaker 1>view the animal. That's a tough lesson for old the

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<v Speaker 1>Yogi to learn. It's been a while since we've said

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<v Speaker 1>this on the show. We've said it many many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Our job in days of abundant wildlife right is to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that we're putting our bird feeders away, we're

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<v Speaker 1>putting our trash away, and we're keeping our garage doors closed,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that so these critters don't become habituated and

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<v Speaker 1>scenes like this happened. Staying in Oregon, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of bad news. Initiative Petition twenty eight, the so

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<v Speaker 1>called Peace Act, has now officially gained enough signatures to

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<v Speaker 1>be included on the ballot in this fall's elections. Although

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<v Speaker 1>the Oregon Secretary of State still needs to verify the

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<v Speaker 1>signatures before they make it official, voters are almost definitely

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<v Speaker 1>going to decide this one as a reminder, the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>Act would remove exceptions for hunters and anglers in Oregon's

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<v Speaker 1>animal cruelty laws, which would make any act that injures

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<v Speaker 1>or kills an animal illegal. This would also criminalize farming

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<v Speaker 1>and ranching in the state. I'm not shaking in my

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<v Speaker 1>boots that this will definitely pass, but the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming to a vote is just absolutely ridiculous. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if IP twenty eight is defeated, it remains damaging because

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<v Speaker 1>it creates needless division. Most people on the right and

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<v Speaker 1>the left agree about protecting the natural world, and they

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<v Speaker 1>all agree that hunting and fishing are essential to conservation.

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<v Speaker 1>But when people get out there and they hire very

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<v Speaker 1>skilled folks to collect signatures to advance efforts like the

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Act, convinces too many people that everyone on the

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<v Speaker 1>left is a wacko and everybody on the right is

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy conservative, and so we remain divided. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>better path forward folks having a real dialogue and take

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<v Speaker 1>the time to actually understand the other side of the fence. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to defeat this one with a big public

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<v Speaker 1>education campaign. We'll let you know when IP twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>gets closer to the vote. Moving on to West Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Jim Justice So West Virginia has introduced the Grouse

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<v Speaker 1>Act aka the Growing and Restoring Operational upland Species Ecosystems

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<v Speaker 1>Act of twenty twenty six. How's that for an acronym

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<v Speaker 1>good job team. The bill would benefit yes, grouse, but

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<v Speaker 1>also a whole lot of other species. It would establish

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<v Speaker 1>a USDA program to reimburse landowners up to seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the cost of planning native vegetation that's beneficial

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<v Speaker 1>to upland wildlife on commercially logged for us. It would

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<v Speaker 1>also provide landowners with technical assistance to do so. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>as a lifelong hunter and angler, this is just common

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<v Speaker 1>sense and a major win for investing in conservation, said justice.

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<v Speaker 1>By improving wildlife habitats, we can strengthen populations of everything

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<v Speaker 1>from grouse to deer and beyond, while also creating a

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<v Speaker 1>real economic impact for West Virginians, Americans, and our outdoor community.

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<v Speaker 1>The bill unsurprisingly has the backing of a host of

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<v Speaker 1>conservation groups, from the Rough Grouse Society, an American Woodcock Society,

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<v Speaker 1>to the National Wild Turkey Federation and Yes US over

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<v Speaker 1>at backcountry hunters and anglers. In fact, our West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter chair takes old Justice out on the river works

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<v Speaker 1>on a smallmouth bass game. It's solid, common sense legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that will be pushing forward and tracking in the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and months to come. M moving on and I'm circling

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<v Speaker 1>back to something I hit at the top of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>The Montana Landboard is overhauling its land swap process for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in twenty years, and some conservation groups

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<v Speaker 1>are crying foul. On Monday May eighteen, the Land Board,

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<v Speaker 1>which includes the state's five highest elected officials, voted on

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<v Speaker 1>the shakeup. The new plan impacts the regulations for land

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<v Speaker 1>swaps involving public land managed by the state. One change

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<v Speaker 1>is that the Department of Natural Resources and Conservation would

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<v Speaker 1>no longer be able to flatly deny a proposed land

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<v Speaker 1>exchange if it is not in the public interest or

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<v Speaker 1>eligible under existing land exchange requirements. That would be reserved

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<v Speaker 1>only for the politically elected Land Board. Additionally, the new

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<v Speaker 1>plan increases the scope of work that private consultants can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Those consultants are paid for by YEP, private landowners and

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<v Speaker 1>might not have the public's best interest in mind for

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<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons. The new process also changes the language surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>whether the public benefits from a landswap, a required consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>Some folks in the conservation community testified and support of

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<v Speaker 1>the change, which was introduced by State Auditor James Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>who called it a red tape reduction that all eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessary bureaucracy. According to the Montana Free Press that said,

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<v Speaker 1>many folks raise serious concern with who exactly benefits from

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<v Speaker 1>the changes, as well as the lack of a public

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<v Speaker 1>comment period. Said Kevin Farren with Montana Wildlife Federation, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this is opaque. This is something that was given to

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<v Speaker 1>the public seven days ago in its full form. A

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<v Speaker 1>thirty day scoping and comment period should be the very

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<v Speaker 1>least that we should be getting out of this. Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Greg gene Forte did put forward a motion to add

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty day comment but the Land Board voted down

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<v Speaker 1>the motion. Gene Fote abstained from the final vote, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a unanimous four to zero. Russell Fruits with the

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<v Speaker 1>Montana Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, a man who

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<v Speaker 1>is taking his own time as a volunteer to represent,

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<v Speaker 1>made his voice heard during public testimony. Quote. Recent third

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<v Speaker 1>party broker land exchanges in Montana have produced deals where

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<v Speaker 1>the public received high elevation terrain of limited utility while

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<v Speaker 1>giving up productive, lower elevation land and established recreational acts.

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<v Speaker 1>Those outcomes are not accidents. They're what happens when no

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<v Speaker 1>one is in the room to independently be accountable and

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<v Speaker 1>stick up for the public well, said Russell. Great example

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<v Speaker 1>of what you get for your membership dollars out of BHA.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't matter where you came from, what your background is.

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<v Speaker 1>You are capable of representing your interests in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the land board or the legislature or the US Congress

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<v Speaker 1>and will help you get there. So you know, become

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<v Speaker 1>a member today. We need you. Jumping on over to

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<v Speaker 1>the critter desk. Wild hogs and deer go together like

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<v Speaker 1>oil and water, which is to say they don't. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main takeaways of some ongoing research down Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>where research professor doctor Melanie Boudreau conducted a study that

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<v Speaker 1>involved coloring wild pigs and white tailed deer. While boudreau

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<v Speaker 1>study hasn't been published, she sat down with Meat Eat

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<v Speaker 1>Associate editor Adam Moore to break down some of her

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<v Speaker 1>preliminary findings. Boudreau and her team colored ten faral hogs

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<v Speaker 1>and ten deer on a property in March and plan

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<v Speaker 1>to monitor their locations until October, though that didn't quite happen,

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<v Speaker 1>said Boudreau by October, all our pigs were dead. Landowners

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<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi like to handle their pig problems. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>Boudreau notes that they were still able to connect enough

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<v Speaker 1>data to see how the species were impacting each other or,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, how the pigs were pushing deer out

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<v Speaker 1>of overlapping habitats such as hardwood bottom land. Additionally, Boudreau's

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<v Speaker 1>team set up camera traps over bait piles, and in

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen thousand pictures there were none that had both hogs

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<v Speaker 1>and deer in a single frame. Deer in pigs don't

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<v Speaker 1>like being next to each other. If you said, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not surprising, but it's cool to see it in the data,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it supports what landowners and others are saying.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a couple of interesting notes from a conservation perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>one being that feeders create quote interaction points for hogs

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<v Speaker 1>to run into and bump deer from properties. Additionally, the

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<v Speaker 1>research shows that deer bumped by hogs often come into

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<v Speaker 1>contact with other deer groups that they otherwise might not have,

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<v Speaker 1>which could increase the spread of chronic wasting disease or

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<v Speaker 1>other diseases. Pigs rooting and Wallowing at feeder sites could

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<v Speaker 1>also allow for the transmission of cwdprewns within the soil,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something hunters might want to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>when considering the pros and cons of hunting over bait,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's apparently pretty popular in Old Mississippi. Quote hunters

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<v Speaker 1>have to decide if the feeders are worth that risk,

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<v Speaker 1>said Boudreau. We did an aerial survey just account how

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<v Speaker 1>many feeders might be across the state of Mississippi. We

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<v Speaker 1>found one feeder per square kilometer and that's just the

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<v Speaker 1>ones we could see from a plane. I imagine that's

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<v Speaker 1>a sample size that's been extrapolated. Gang If not, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shut this podcast down. Going to the feeder manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>business set up shop in Old Mississippi. But to go

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<v Speaker 1>with the math, that is one feeder for every fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>deer in the state. That's a lot of corn on

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape. Head over to the meateater dot com for

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<v Speaker 1>our full conversation with doctor Boudreaux. That's all I got

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<v Speaker 1>for you this week. Thank you so much for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember to write in to a s K C.

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<v Speaker 1>six four four one. That's four oh six two two

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<v Speaker 1>zero six four four one, and this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>podcast live for one audience member, baby Boy Callahan, who

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<v Speaker 1>uh teetered and tottered and cooed and sputtered all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through the thing, but no crying. What a chap Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for listening. That's all I got for you. Let

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<v Speaker 1>us know what's going on in your neck of the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I appreciate it, and we'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>next week.