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Speaker 2: Give this you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Fandom is so often about hope, right, It's about hoping

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Speaker 3: that your favorite team is going to do something unprecedented,

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Speaker 3: that you're gonna have memories for the rest of your life,

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Speaker 3: that you're gonna have a wall full of memorabilia for

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Speaker 3: a championship, right, Like, that's what we're all hoping for.

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Speaker 3: And some of that hope has to come from the

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Speaker 3: organizational structure. So the question really becomes, what do you

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Speaker 3: do when your favorite team simply has an owner that

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Speaker 3: isn't any good at owning a football, basketball, or baseball team?

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Speaker 3: Where do you find your hope when you realize that, frankly,

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Speaker 3: the entire system of how the business is built for

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Speaker 3: your team is failed. He's Buck rising on Jason Fitzen.

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Speaker 3: This all comes from the Knicks. We're hanging out with

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Speaker 3: you on two pros and a cup of Joe. The

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Speaker 3: Knicks sort of led us to a conversation about the NBA,

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Speaker 3: which led us to an overall thought press us on

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Speaker 3: team ownership and Buck what's interesting and Buck covers the

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Speaker 3: Titans down in Nashville. Obviously you see team ownership up

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Speaker 3: close and personal, but it just really gets interesting to

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Speaker 3: me because at some level, most professional sports teams are

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Speaker 3: owned by somebody that at their core is a fan.

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Speaker 3: And so you want that very rich fan to do

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Speaker 3: something wildly impossible. You want that very rich fan that's

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Speaker 3: made so much money and life that they can afford

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Speaker 3: hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars depending on

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Speaker 3: the sport, to buy a franchise. And then you want

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Speaker 3: them to invest that money smartly. You want them to

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Speaker 3: hire great people. And then this is the really tricky part.

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Speaker 3: After they've invested the money and after they've hired the people,

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Speaker 3: you want that owner to then just go away, right.

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Speaker 3: You want that owner to knock it in the way.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say James Dolen, the owner of the Knicks,

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Speaker 3: has been absolutely destroyed time and time again. I've looked

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Speaker 3: at it from the outside looking in and said, man,

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Speaker 3: what do you want the guy to do? Like when

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Speaker 3: everybody said that Dolan was meddling too much, we went

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Speaker 3: out and hired Phil Jackson because oh my god, like

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Speaker 3: Phil Jackson's biggest name, and that doesn't work. And all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden it said, well, Phil wasn't even really

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Speaker 3: that into the job. He just took the money. Well

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Speaker 3: that's not Dolan's fault, you know. And then well he

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Speaker 3: still gets in the way of all of it. I'm

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Speaker 3: a Raiders fan, as most people know, right, and Mark

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Speaker 3: Davis what is The Raiders have just absolutely been garbage

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Speaker 3: as a franchise for most of my adult life. But

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Speaker 3: I can also look at Mark Davis and say, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he brought in John Gruden, which I can understand why

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Speaker 3: he thought that was probably a good idea, turned out

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Speaker 3: not to be. That he brought in Josh McDaniels, which

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Speaker 3: at the time he's just getting the biggest name he bossible. Again,

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Speaker 3: now he brings in Pete Carroll. At some point, you're

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Speaker 3: just you're a guy with a ton of money that's

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Speaker 3: And all of this just leads you back to that

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Speaker 3: same point, what do you do if the person that

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Speaker 3: runs your team just isn't really capable of running a

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Speaker 3: football team? Like now, you can't change the owner of

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Speaker 3: it's just interesting to me because I think there's there

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Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't imagine that it is. And it's interesting

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Speaker 4: that you bring up that. I would know ownership up

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Speaker 4: close and personal. That's not the case. Here in Nashville,

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Speaker 4: Amy Adams Strunk is the controlling owner of the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 4: and she does not do public appearances. She does not

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Speaker 4: Is a combination of people, and she has done all

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Speaker 4: And that is certainly a style of ownership, right. That's

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Speaker 4: kind of the thing that Fitzie you're alluding to a

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Speaker 4: little bit, where she'll make these decisions, she'll hire people

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Speaker 4: back until somebody gets in her ear and says, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that person you hired a couple of years ago, maybe

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Speaker 4: Why don't you put me in this role, and then

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Speaker 4: do it better. Then creates a Game of Thrones type

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Speaker 4: of environment within an organization that you just have to

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Speaker 4: a multi billion dollar industry, which is crazy, crazy but

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Speaker 4: that's a very Sports is a microcosm for society and

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Speaker 4: life at large, right, so anything that you see happening

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Speaker 4: at a sports level could also be You know, there's

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Speaker 4: politics in every industry, whether you want to attribute those

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Speaker 5: There are office politics, and.

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Speaker 4: That exists in the NFL and the NBA and in

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Speaker 4: there are more bad owners than good. But to your point,

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Speaker 4: I just don't know what There is no perfect solution

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Speaker 4: Doing one of these numbers where they're like, oh, you

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Speaker 3: I've had this awakening because a lot of what you're

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Speaker 3: Like Jerry Jones cares deeply about the Cowboys. I don't

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Speaker 3: think you no question. You're spent two seconds around Jerry

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Speaker 3: Jones can question that, but he's just not. I mean,

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Speaker 3: as you were talking. There's no recourse for these owners.

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Speaker 3: There is absolutely no recourse because in my blood, I

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Speaker 3: joked earlier about being a lifelong, diehard six month Dodgers fan.

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I cannot change the

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, there's really no recourse to

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Speaker 3: The Titans fan base might be small, but they are

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Speaker 4: Mighty is not how I would describe that, but that's

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Speaker 4: very kind of you.

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Speaker 3: They are they are they are passionate, let's say.

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Speaker 5: But they're passionate.

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Speaker 3: And the fact is, if this team wins three games,

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Speaker 4: God knows, Titans fans would probably snort and laugh hearing

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Speaker 4: me describe it that kindly. But I think that some

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you don't have a ride as a

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Speaker 4: fan to express your emotion. And I think that goes

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Speaker 5: Money is the reason that they're going to dome this

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Speaker 4: in the concourse. And then at the end of the day,

436
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 4: after two hours of waiting of trying to wait it out,

437
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 4: they just had to nix the whole thing and then

438
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 4: reschedule it for a later date. And they end up

439
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 4: making their money back on a Garth Brooks show. But

440
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 4: there's a lot of shows where they wouldn't be able

441
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 4: to get that many people to come back to the stadium.

442
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 4: They're trying to avoid situations like that, which I think

443
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 4: completely understandable, but there is an appreciable impact on the

444
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 4: football product.

445
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 5: At the end of the.

446
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: Day, where I mean, our snow game is going to

447
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 4: go extinct everywhere but Buffalo and Lambeau.

448
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 5: Like I don't know. Minnesota is in a dome.

449
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 4: By the way, It's a beautiful stadium, a beautiful stadium.

450
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 4: It might be my favorite stadium in the NFL of

451
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 4: ones that I've done, I haven't been in Vegas yet.

452
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 4: I'm checking that box this year. I haven't been a

453
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 4: San fran or newer San Franz stadium, and I still,

454
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: for some reason, haven't done a game in Cincinnati with

455
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Speaker 4: the way that the COVID schedule worked out a couple

456
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: of years ago and Joe Burrow's rookie year. But I

457
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 4: just think that that is going to become a thing

458
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: of the past because there is too much money to

459
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: be made on these dome stadiums.

460
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Speaker 5: For reasons that are not football related.

461
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Speaker 3: I happen to personally love watching a snow game on TV,

462
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: so as a consumer that is for a product that

463
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 3: is largely TV based, I would miss the magic that

464
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: comes with it. But I do think to your point,

465
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: this is an inevitable So when you start talking about stadiums,

466
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: the conversation constantly is why are people helping billionaires build

467
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: free stadiums? And I hear that conversation all the time.

468
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: I laugh at it. I genuinely, I just I laugh

469
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: out loud at the conversation every time. Well, cities shouldn't

470
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: be supporting these billionaires, Okay, cool. If I was a

471
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: billionaire and I owned a team, I would just move

472
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Speaker 3: it to a city that will like because there only

473
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Speaker 3: takes one. It takes one random city and that city

474
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: getting an NFL team, There's always going to be somebody

475
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 3: that will build on it. And if your answer is

476
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: well there shouldn't be okay, well people in Hell one

477
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: ice water too, You're like, you're not going to change

478
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: the fact that if the Kansas City Chiefs decided tomorrow

479
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: that they want to move somewhere where they can get

480
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: a free stadium, there would be somebody somewhere in the

481
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: US it would say, let's build that stadium like that.

482
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Speaker 7: That's real.

483
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Speaker 5: Do you think Saint Louis is a baseball town?

484
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Speaker 4: But you don't think they have an ounce of regret

485
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 4: over letting the Rams go because and Kronkey may have

486
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 4: wanted to take them to Los Angeles anyway, and that

487
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 4: may have been ill fated from the jump, right, Lewis

488
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 4: is not nearly the amount of opportunity that opening Sofi

489
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: Stadium up. You couldn't build a thing like Sofi in

490
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: Saint Louis and expect to have the same amount of

491
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: revenue as an NFL ownership group that Sofi Stadium does

492
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Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, even though it's in Englewood.

493
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 5: But the Rams, or.

494
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 4: Rather the city of Saint Louis, to some extent, there's

495
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: probably some bitterness. There's probably some hate towards Stan Kronkey,

496
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: and maybe that's enough to sustain them. And there are

497
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: Cardinals town top to bottom for sure. But I just

498
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: have to imagine that the benefit of having an NFL

499
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: franchise in your city and all the different things that

500
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: that brings, that there's not some ounce of regret in

501
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: Saint Louis about the way that that went down.

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you want to tell me that a

503
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: place like Hartford that tried at one point to get

504
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: Foxborough built here. You want to tell me the places

505
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: like that, if they had the opportunity, wouldn't look at

506
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: it and say, well, I know it's a lot of money, guys,

507
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: but what does it do for the overall view of

508
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: our city? Blah blah blah, what's it due for? The

509
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 3: opportunity to make money. What's it to for the opportunity

510
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: to host Super Bowls? All of these and economic impact.

511
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: People will tell you all the time that paying for

512
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: stadiums is a bad investment. I hear that again. I

513
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: lived all this from Raiders fans in Oakland. I hear

514
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: all that, and nobody cares, Like genuinely, O you care

515
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: if you live in Oakland and the team is taken

516
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: from you if the Raiders leave Vegas. People in Vegas

517
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: might care at some point, but realistically, like as long

518
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: as there's a city that wants to come out and

519
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: pay for a stadium, they will. So now you've got

520
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: to look at it and say, Okay, with that mindset,

521
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: if you're going to pay for a stadium, how do

522
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: you make the most money back out of it as possible?

523
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned that Garth Brooks concert and the Minuti

524
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: nobody thinks about. But the insurance payouts are such a difficult.

525
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: Like when I was touring with the band, the thought

526
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: of canceling a show, like we weren't going to cancel

527
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: the show because if we canceled the show, then our

528
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: insurance had to handle it. If if the venue canceled

529
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: the show because of the weather, then it's act of

530
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: God and their insurance has to handle it well. Even

531
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: just that basic principle, if you go to a dome stadium,

532
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: your insurance go down on things like that because you

533
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about that element of it. Like

534
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: all of it comes back to follow the money, right,

535
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: And so if you're going to build a two point

536
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: five billion dollars stadium, and we're going to reach the

537
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: spot before you know it where stadiums are four five

538
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 3: billion dollars, like this is just gonna happen. If you're

539
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: going to build a multi billion dollar stadium, you want

540
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: to get as much usage out of it as you

541
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: possibly can. So at some point it's about the cost

542
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: benefit analysis, and like, hey, if I got to lose

543
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: home field advantage, if I got to lose the opportunity,

544
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, to host snow games, that's no different than

545
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: Vegas obviously looked around and said, you know what we

546
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: don't want. We don't want one hundred and ten degrees,

547
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: and we want to be able to use this thing

548
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: year out. We want to be able to put concerts

549
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: in it. Like the most profitable or stadium I should

550
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: say in the in the US last the last two

551
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: years was Allegiant in Vegas. That's not the Raiders, that's

552
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: everything else that happens in Allegiance. So if you're building

553
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: a stadium in Nashville, it would be stupid now to

554
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: put a dome on top of it because simply everybody

555
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: makes more money that way, and if that means you

556
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: lose the opportunity for cool rain games where people are

557
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: sliding around on the grass, that's just collateral damage. At

558
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: the end of the day, nobody's going to care fifteen

559
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: years from now, they want more events.

560
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: It's just it's We've talked about this in a couple

561
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: of different ways right throughout the course of the morning,

562
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: and I don't think either of us were planning on

563
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: going down this many different versions of what level of

564
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: impact can fans actually have on the way that their

565
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: franchises run or the decision that their franchise makes. But

566
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: that seems to be where we've gone based on the

567
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: Nicks hiring of a coach and the Lakers acquisition of

568
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: DeAndre Ayton, and all other manner of transactions personnel wise

569
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: or business wise that sometimes irritate us or bother us

570
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 4: or or confuse us.

571
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 5: About why our team is doing what they're doing.

572
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, I just I hate

573
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: it for fans because I don't like telling fans that

574
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: their impact is minimized, because when fans are invested and

575
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 4: are you know, all in, it is such a such

576
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: a unique experience experience that they bring to live events

577
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: that gives it so much Mortrus I've done games at

578
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 4: so far FITSI with both the Rams and the Chargers,

579
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: as with the Titans as the visiting team, and it's

580
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: just it's it's lifeless in there. There's no atmosphere. I'm

581
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: scared that's what's going to happen to the Titans new

582
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: stadium because the Titans are a terrible franchise here in

583
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. And maybe cam Ward with

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: the number one overall draft pick, makes a difference, but

585
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: maybe he.

586
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: Doesn't because half of.

587
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: More than half of first first round picks at quarterback

588
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: don't even win a playoff game for the franchise that

589
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: drafted him, So it's not like a sure thing. It

590
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: may be a good marketing strategy right now to sell

591
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: your PSLs in advance of that new stadium opening in

592
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, which again at the end of the day,

593
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: is about money, not about how well.

594
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: The football team does. Can we capitalize on this momentum?

595
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: Dude? When I was on the season ticket waiting list

596
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: when they announced the Raiders were moving to Allegiance, being

597
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 3: from Vegas, I was like, I'm gonna do this. By

598
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: the time they got to me on the sheet, they'd

599
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: already gone through so many tickets that all they had

600
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: left were lower bowl seats that were really good, But

601
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: it was the PSLs for it were astronomical. We're talking

602
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: like it was almost I think twenty grand per seat

603
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: at that point. And I remember laughing at the girl

604
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: that called me and said, you know, from the sales office.

605
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 3: It was like, hey, we could do these PSLs. The

606
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: first thing she said to me was, Hey, if you're

607
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: worried about the cost of the PSL, just sell your

608
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: seats for the first few years, and if you sell

609
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: your seats, you'll make this PSL back plus. That was

610
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: part of the sales pitch, And I thought, Nah, there's

611
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: not a way and there's not a chance. Well, I've

612
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: got a buddy that bought in that same section. He

613
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: made his PSL money back in the first season alone.

614
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: And that's like you may to what Nashville is going

615
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: to be. I mean, and people sit here all the

616
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: time and talk about the lack of home field of

617
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: vanners for the Raiders. If you're the Raiders, genuinely, why

618
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: do you care? Like the games are sold out, so

619
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: whatever happens. And when they say, well there were only

620
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: thirty percent fans in there that were rooting for this team,

621
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: every ticket was sold. If every ticket is sold, even

622
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: if the place is half empty, you know, even if

623
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: the police is only filled a third of the way

624
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, because the team sticks.

625
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: As long as the tickets were sold, the team still

626
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: makes their money. So like the Nashville is going to

627
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: become what Vegas is in my opinion, like it's going

628
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: to become a stadium because as I've said for years,

629
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: since I was a podcast, nobody cared about. It's super

630
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: easy to see what places are going to fill the

631
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: stadium by asking yourself the simple question. If you live

632
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: in Minnesota and you're looking at the road schedule for

633
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: the Vikings and you say, honey, let's go to a

634
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: game this year. What game do you want to go to? Well,

635
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: if you've got the chance of going to see the

636
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: Vikings play in Vegas, or going to see the Vikings

637
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: play in Nashville, or going to see the Vikings play

638
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: in Boston, what are you taking Like you're taking the

639
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: Nashville trip, you're taking the Vegas trip.

640
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: So you wish it was in Boston. By the way,

641
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: Foxborough is the North Korea of the NFL. Terrible.

642
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, fix Aryl, Like my god, I just

643
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: like I that that stadium just needs to be Also,

644
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: there's nothing redeeming about that Stateum just Jillette is Everything

645
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: about Jillette is just in the modern NFL is just junk.

646
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Patriots fans like that stadium is just not

647
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: that's not it in every way. But you get my point, like,

648
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: might as well go to these places where you can

649
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: go have a great party. And so, yeah, you're not

650
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: gonna have home field advantage, but if you're Mark Davis

651
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: or Amy Adams strumk, who cares.

652
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: You're getting paid the way And that's that's that's the

653
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: sad part about it at the end of the day.

654
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: Because FITZI and you may have brought this up off

655
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: air as opposed to on air. But the idea of

656
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: private equity coming into professional sports in the NFL specifically, now,

657
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: that's not something that's going to be rectified by private

658
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: equity coming in here because they're trying to maximize the

659
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: margins there. That's not a about the game day experience

660
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 4: or the fan experience or any of that. Though they

661
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: will tell you that they are doing things with more

662
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: money that they're making to pacify people and.

663
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: To make it a better experience.

664
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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, they're just trying

665
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: to max out how much money they can actually make

666
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: on this thing. They don't care who's coming in to

667
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: spend that money, whether it be you locally in whatever

668
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: market you live in Cleveland, But I just I hate

669
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: to see it done to a market like Cleveland, because,

670
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: respectfully Nashville where I am, you're in Connecticut, But as

671
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: a Raiders fan and having having been in many many

672
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: Raiders games over the course of your life in their

673
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: new stadium in Allegiant, and I'm looking forward to seeing

674
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: what Allegiant looks like for the first time when the

675
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: Titans travel out there in October.

676
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 5: It's it's going to rage.

677
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: Oh are you going? You're there? I'm there.

678
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, hell yeah, we're gonna have a great Bosses.

679
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: Don't know that, but yeah, we're going to go rage

680
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: in Vegas. That's all.

681
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: That's fine.

682
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: We can we We are telling them now you have

683
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: been duly informed that that's Saturday Fitsie and I will

684
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: be unavailable.

685
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: But I hate to see it done.

686
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: To a market like Cleveland, because those fans don't get

687
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: dissuaded by much. Right, we're in Nashville. Uh, it's it's

688
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: not a die it's die hard for college football, but

689
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: not for the NFL. This is never going to be

690
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: a Titan centric town. So it's it. It It resonates

691
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: a little less to me when they're like, ah, but

692
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: the fan experience, Yeah, but the fans don't really care.

693
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: It's a fad city with fad sports, and we do

694
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: have pro sports here, but it's not super passionate. Cleveland, Man,

695
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: they don't care. They don't have anything else, but they're

696
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: sports teams. They don't have anything else to pour their

697
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: emotion into, and so to see a potential situation where

698
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: they're robbed of that, I just I hate. I hate

699
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: where actually great sports towns get denigrated by the money

700
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: that way.

701
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems sometimes like the most passionate fan

702
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: bases that need it the most are the ones that

703
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: just get walked on the most. It's a it's a

704
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: very weird like it just.

705
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: Because they know you're going to be there.

706
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: You brought that up early, they know you can You're

707
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: going You're going to be there no matter what.

708
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. We're all going to

709
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: be there for the Steelers conversation this year. The question

710
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: is should we big week of news? But should it

711
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: have been? We'll break it down next on Two Pros

712
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: and a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. He's

713
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

714
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

715
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

716
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

717
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: I think the sad part is that I knew that

718
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: Big Time Rush was going out on a reunion tour

719
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: this year. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's Bucking Fits.

720
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: Takeover of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Sold

721
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Speaker 3: Jack what, I'm old? Big Time Rush? Yes, I don't

722
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Speaker 3: know how do you know. Okay, hold on, be sure

723
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: to check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel. Just

724
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube. You'll see a whole

725
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: bunch of video highlights from our shows. Be sure to subscribe.

726
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 3: She never missed our very best Fox Sports Radio videos

727
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: on YouTube. Dude, you're not old enough to know this yet,

728
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: but here's one thing that will rock your world as

729
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: you get older. Okay. I'm rarely the guy that sits

730
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: here and says, oh, well, you get older. Okay.

731
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: This is literally every conversation I've had with my parents

732
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: prior to turning thirty, and I'm like, oh my god,

733
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 4: they're right about everything.

734
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 3: Why when you start seeing social media clips of bands

735
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: you used to like and they're trying to still do

736
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: the damn thing and they can't do the damn thing anymore.

737
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: That is like, so, I saw a video the other

738
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: day of Color Me Bad, which you know, was like,

739
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: oh sex you nineties nineties R and B, but I

740
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: mean R and B, nineties pop whatever you want to

741
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: call it. But there's only one original member and they've

742
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: put other members with them, and that one original member

743
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: is no longer. It looks like he's he's lived hard

744
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: and he's gone through some stuff, right, and he's out

745
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: on stage doing it, and it's like, oh it is

746
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: you know, I've seen plenty of In fairness, I know

747
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 3: I have to pay a fine for this, but like

748
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: I grew up within him. Still very good friends with

749
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 3: JC from in Sync, Like we're we're close. That's Chris

750
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: kirk Yeah, thank you. Chris Kirkpatrick, though lives in Nashville,

751
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: so I hesitate to say this because he might be listening.

752
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: But if you see any of the videos of him

753
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: out there doing these like tours where it's like boy

754
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: bands out there still trying to do the thing like

755
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: that can go really well. Like Backstreet has done a

756
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: great job of that, Like the new kids on the

757
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: block have done a great job of figuring out how

758
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: to Whether you love or hate their music doesn't matter.

759
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: They're putting it out there and they're doing these Vegas

760
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: residencies that look amazing and they're doing a great job.

761
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 5: And then you start tap into that nostalgia, right.

762
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 3: But then you see some of the guys that are

763
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: still hanging on that aren't necessarily still doing a great job,

764
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this is this is watching like

765
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: watching the other guys from in Sync try and do

766
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: bye Bye Bye with without anybody around him, and you're like, like,

767
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: I saw a video of Joey Fatone doing bye Bye

768
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: Bye and he was obviously he was on what looked

769
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: like a booze cruise from the episode of the Office

770
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: doing it, like that's what it looked like. And I

771
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: was like, oh man, it's just so you'll know you're

772
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: old when your transformative acts that you grew up with

773
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: that you're like, oh man, this was these guys were

774
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: the best, and then you see them now and you're like, like,

775
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: it's just you're going to have that awakening at some point.

776
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're right, because I'm still of an age

777
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: where people are making their own music or at least

778
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: singing music that was written for them. FITZI, I don't

779
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 4: know how much you're paying attention to this, and I

780
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 4: imagine closer than most because of the industry that you

781
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: started your career in as opposed to what you're doing now.

782
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: But the amount of AI manufactured music and like bands.

783
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: There's an AI band I saw posted on Instagram by

784
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 4: a friend of mine that works for one of the

785
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: labels here in town. Here in Nashville. It's got five

786
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: hundred thousand followers on Instagram, and it's not real. It's

787
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: just not real people. It's an AI manufactured band with

788
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: AI manufactured songs that are fine, Like they're good enough,

789
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: that sounds like something you'd hear on top radio or

790
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: something like that.

791
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 5: But they're not real people.

792
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: So I don't know, is this something that's going to

793
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: go the way of the dinosaurs, like us being able

794
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: to be nostalgic about our favorite bands when our favorite bands,

795
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: at some point in our lives become not real people.

796
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm ever the realist dude, right like, so

797
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: you know for me, AI is I mean, it's inevitable.

798
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: It takes over music and people listening right now that

799
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: are music heads. You're gonna say, no, it will never happen.

800
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: There will always be room for great artists. We've talked

801
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: a lot about jelly roll, right like Chris Taple Tay

802
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: pick your favorite artists. There's always going to be room

803
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: for those sorts of things. There's also going to be

804
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: a ton of like if you are of the ilk

805
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: that you know in your generation loved Britney Spears, for example,

806
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 3: or Christina Aguilera like, okay, if you if you loved

807
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: in Sync or the boy bands in general, and you're

808
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: looking around, are like, okay, what is the difference at

809
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: this point if you're a kid that's grown up listening

810
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: to it, And here's the thing, man, Like I remember

811
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: one of the first sessions I played in Nashville in

812
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: the orchestra. There were like one hundred musicians on that,

813
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: and in that orchestra, you flash forward just a couple

814
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 3: of years later, like Coldplay with all their famous string

815
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: parts on their record, that's one guy that plays and

816
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: then he uses a keyboard to play the rest, like

817
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: he uses a mini program to play the rest, so

818
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: like he's programming strings and he's playing some strings on

819
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: top of it, like one guy. That's really common and

820
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: has been for a decade, where one person represents an

821
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: entire string section. Nobody ever listens to that and says, wow,

822
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if these are real strings? Like you know,

823
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: I remember sitting in the studio and we would listen

824
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: to these these recordings we were doing. We'd have huge

825
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: arguments over like the snare drum do the snare drum

826
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: sound good enough? And I looked at everybody fifteen years ago.

827
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all, they're gonna listen to this on their phone,

828
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: so who cares? Why are we wasting hours on this?

829
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't listen. And at the time people are like, no, no, no, no, no.

830
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: MP three's aren't the right sonic quality. It'll never take

831
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: over the business. Well, honey, you know, like I think

832
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: it's inevitable, like Timberlin's out here, you know, creating AI

833
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: artists with a music like there are going to be

834
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: smart music people that figure out how to use AR

835
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: to generate the songs and the artists and people are

836
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: going to listen to that, and in fifteen years, that'll

837
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: be fifteen In five years, that'll be the majority of

838
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: our pop stars.

839
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: What were we supposed to talk about here?

840
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, the Steelers. We're going to talk

841
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: about the Steelers. You know what? That brings us to

842
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: a great point?

843
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: Pop that's just chickens. That's a double checking to make

844
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 5: sure I didn't derail the thing.

845
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: No, we'll get to it now in just a minute,

846
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: because we're going to spend the entire season talking about

847
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers. It is going to be an absolute

848
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: epic conversation. The question is should it be, and the

849
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: answer might surprise you. We'll break it down next Bucking Fits,

850
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: taking over two pros and a cup of Joe.