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Speaker 1: do is speak of this war. We do this with

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Speaker 1: a gentleman early in his career at that time when

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Speaker 1: Russia again blew up in the early nineties, Mark Kimmitt

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Speaker 1: was with the eighth Infantry and then answer other tours

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Speaker 1: of duty with the Army and General Kimmitt Division Artillery

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Speaker 1: Commander the first Armored Division in Germany. He has hands

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Speaker 1: on experiences Ben Hodges did the other day for US

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Speaker 1: as well. General Kimmitt, thank you for joining us UH

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Speaker 1: this morning. Mark Kimmitt, What will the tank warfare look

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Speaker 1: like in Carcave? What will the warfare look like in Kiev? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all time, it won't be tank warfare. All

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Speaker 1: go inside the city. These are small streets, even the

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Speaker 1: large ones can't fit a lot of tanks through them,

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Speaker 1: And it goes down to a completely different kind of

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Speaker 1: warfare that we're seeing right now on the roads. If

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Speaker 1: we're seeing a different warfare, do you suggest we'll see

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Speaker 1: it in any moment's notice and with that we will

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Speaker 1: see Ukraine do better than the last twenty four hours. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see clearly the Ukrainians have done very very well

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Speaker 1: a nine ending ball game. When you go into the cities,

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Speaker 1: everything that they've been doing up to this point changes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They certainly have the advantage as the defender in the

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Speaker 1: city ease and a lot of the advantages that the

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Speaker 1: Russians had are just completely neutralized. But it is still tough,

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Speaker 1: brutal combat in a way that we haven't seen yet.

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Speaker 1: Urban combat is for any military historian certainly understood. It's

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Speaker 1: the toughest, grittiest, bloodiest kind of warfare there is. We've

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Speaker 1: had a many times, General that it has to favor

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Speaker 1: Can you run me through the kind of ratio you're

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Speaker 1: What an attack it needs to overwhelm the defender in

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Speaker 1: it could be far more than that. You took a

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Speaker 1: look at what happened in Mosle. A hundred thousand troops

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Speaker 1: were necessary to go against ISIS and Mosle about six

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Speaker 1: thousand inside there. Uh. And unfortunately there's a huge toll

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Speaker 1: is our marines did in Felluja. It takes extraordinary numbers

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Speaker 1: and it also takes extraordinary valor. And that last point

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Speaker 1: is the important point, General, And can we sit on

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Speaker 1: that for a moment. How unique is this when we

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Speaker 1: see these videos of the individuals coming from the Russian

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Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian people just pushing those tanks back. General,

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Speaker 1: what have you made of that? You've seen those videos

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Speaker 1: media where the Russians aren't coming across the Well, what

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Speaker 1: Russian paratroopers into some of those air fields. Uh. Those

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Speaker 1: spectacularly up to this point. General, do you think that

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Speaker 1: And number two, the intense, intense leadership shown by President Zelensky,

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Speaker 1: fighting them. General, can you see an endgame at this point,

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Speaker 1: In many ways, people would say that's the only endgame

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Speaker 1: I want you to speak to the public that does

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Speaker 1: initiative America can do now to assist militarily, President Zelinski? Well,

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Speaker 1: this inside Ukraine. We can't be put in Americans into Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: be a much much bigger war. What would you do

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Speaker 1: as a mandate as a general in combat which you've done,

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Speaker 1: What would you do with a convoy forty miles long?

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Speaker 1: Is that the job of modern technology and drones? Well,

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Speaker 1: don't have air superiority. You remember in the First Gulf War,

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Speaker 1: so we need to fly zone the common of the moment, Generals,

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Speaker 1: we need to know fly zone. Well, the no fly

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Speaker 1: It's personally non existent at this point. Um and again,

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Speaker 1: the no fly zone would completely change the dimension of

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Speaker 1: this conflict from a war inside of Ukraine to a

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Speaker 1: war that can spill over in Europe. What we need

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Speaker 1: But the Russians have air superiority, and we've got to

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Speaker 1: to see the most likely outcome of the invasion as

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Speaker 1: a combination of regime change and Russian political control of

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Speaker 1: case at the moment, General, Well, I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: where it will end up. At these peace negotiations. Of

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Speaker 1: these peace talks on the Belarusian border don't accomplish anything. Remember,

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Speaker 1: wars don't end when the last person dies. Wars end

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Speaker 1: at the diplomacy table, at the negotiating table, and candidly,

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Speaker 1: the sooner we can negotiate Russia out of Ukraine, the better, mark, General,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering a lot of people are talking about the

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Speaker 1: fact that Russia is a nuclear power, and NATO came

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Speaker 1: we be? Can we shrug this off? Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: wouldn't tell you that while Vladimir Putin maybe stupid, he's

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Speaker 1: not suicidal. And I think even he recognizes that a

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Speaker 1: nuclear exchange any kind would be not only the end

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Speaker 1: sink the Russian Federation. General we have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time, and sir, please stay close. We'd

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Speaker 1: love to catch up with you again soon. Lucky to

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Speaker 1: catch up with General Mark Kimmitt this morning, let us

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Speaker 1: go to an informed guest. She is absolutely brilliant in mathematics.

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Speaker 1: Her graduate studies are just bulletproof. She holds court if

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Speaker 1: b n Y Melon Wealth Management Alicia Levine on this

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Speaker 1: changed given war? Look, the geopolitical situation over in Europe

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Speaker 1: with a hot war really just adds another layer to

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Speaker 1: an already kind of very difficult environment for equities here,

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Speaker 1: because you have that specter of the nineteen late nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that the expectations for the ECB

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Speaker 1: in their local banks. So so that's not entirely surprising.

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Speaker 1: because the inflation here is broad based and becoming sticky,

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Speaker 1: and that is something the FED is going to have

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Speaker 1: And what we've seen is that the length of time,

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Speaker 1: the duration that these kind of factors filter into expectations

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Speaker 1: it's transitory for a year, it's already gotten into the

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Speaker 1: psyche of consumers and business leaders. Alicia, what happens if

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Speaker 1: we continue to get this move where rates actually come

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Speaker 1: decline because people are starting to price in stagflation. What

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Speaker 1: FED has lost control over inflation. Right, Look, that that's

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Speaker 1: for equities. But we actually think we're here in a

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