Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory fil Territory Network's Cubs podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Saaev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, it is
Speaker 1: time for a mailbag episode. We always love these. You
Speaker 1: guys come with plenty of questions and it is trade
Speaker 1: deadline season, so we know you are very curious. We
Speaker 1: talked a lot about trade targets last episode. There was
Speaker 1: a question about that, so if you want to know
Speaker 1: who the like, your question was answered last episode. If
Speaker 1: you missed that, we went over that and really dove
Speaker 1: into the potential sellers. I think the question was who
Speaker 1: should they be reading, rooting against and who are the targets.
Speaker 1: Well we basically did that last episode, so please please
Speaker 1: check it out. But here's the first question, and it
Speaker 1: is from our guy, Tyler Dirshel who's he's.
Speaker 2: Been absent for a little while. Patrick.
Speaker 1: He's missed a couple of he has been on his
Speaker 1: honeymoon and he wasn't he wasn't messaging us. He was
Speaker 1: concerned about his new wife and not us.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm a little hurt, a little confused, but he's back
Speaker 1: he couldn't. He's yeah, uh, he asked, Well, the threat
Speaker 1: of a potential lockout in the offseason play a role
Speaker 1: in the aggressiveness at the deadline, considering the potential loss
Speaker 1: of control time if a season isn't played. I think
Speaker 1: teams are still trying to figure that out. They still
Speaker 1: don't know, They're still thinking through how that works. And
Speaker 1: I think it's about will prices be altered? I think
Speaker 1: is probably what what teams are wondering, and they have
Speaker 1: to kind of go over their own calculus, and I think,
Speaker 1: really it's going to be different for every team, so
Speaker 1: it could be it. Yeah, I mean that it's possible.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we'll fully know the impact of it
Speaker 1: all until we see it all unfold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jed Hoyer has acknowledged this of like, yes, it
Speaker 3: is a factor, but no, we're not quite certain how
Speaker 3: it's going to play out, and that all thirty clubs
Speaker 3: are aware of it, and all thirty clubs are putting
Speaker 3: different weights upon that.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at that keyword aggressiveness that Tyler mentioned, and
Speaker 3: I think that is kind of a broader conversation, a
Speaker 3: longer term development of just how many clubs are leaning
Speaker 3: heavily on the models this generation of executives. There are
Speaker 3: a few notable exceptions, but mostly they are and aly driven.
Speaker 3: They are the sort of descendants of Moneyball that, yes,
Speaker 3: you have a J Preller, Dave Dombrowski, but other than that,
Speaker 3: there aren't too many guys that look at it as
Speaker 3: if not now when the way theo Epstein did when
Speaker 3: you traded for rold As Chapman. It's a lot of
Speaker 3: sort of you know, weighing the probabilities looking at the
Speaker 3: future projections on your computer screen rather than saying, like,
Speaker 3: we want to win a World Series this year, like
Speaker 3: the window is always supposed to be open, or at
Speaker 3: least that's sort of the hope of you know, winning
Speaker 3: or being projected to win around eighty five games every year,
Speaker 3: hoping you overperform and then sort of salvaging it when
Speaker 3: things go sideways. But yeah, I'm with you side. I
Speaker 3: think that'll be part of the debrief after the deadline
Speaker 3: of like, okay, what did this CBA uncertainty mean? And
Speaker 3: we won't know until maybe well after August third.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's looming over the sport in more ways
Speaker 1: than one. Right, it's more than just the trade deadline move.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for over a like for
Speaker 1: a year already, and it's you know, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of this frustrating aspect that feels inevitable that you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go through. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: it impacts the game and how long we're without baseball,
Speaker 1: if at all. From strand thirty four, which of the
Speaker 1: Cubs hitting prospects would you consider to be untouchable for trades?
Speaker 1: Also with Nico, Dansby and Bragman locking up the infield,
Speaker 1: isn't Shaw someone who should be available. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's untouchable. I'd also say that I wouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't include someone like Jefferson Rojas. I'll say that
Speaker 1: I think it's Jefferson Rojas, Josiah Hartshorn, and probably Owen
Speaker 1: Airs just because catchers are so valuable. Catching prospects are
Speaker 1: so valuable. And maybe you wouldn't throw Ethan Conrad in
Speaker 1: there just because his value we don't really know where
Speaker 1: it is, so you don't want to give him away.
Speaker 1: Those are the types of guys you wouldn't include in
Speaker 1: a in a rental deal. But for the right under
Speaker 1: control player. I think any of those guys could be available,
Speaker 1: Rojas and Hartshorn, it would be like a really big deal.
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to be talking about someone that
Speaker 1: you have for multiple years. That is, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's not like I don't know if the Cubs payof
Speaker 1: for someone like Mason Miller, if he becomes available, if
Speaker 1: it's not like that type of no doubt reliever, then
Speaker 1: it's like a really good starter, a guy that could
Speaker 1: be a one or two. There's not very many ones.
Speaker 1: A two for you, but a one for the Cups.
Speaker 1: I guess he'd be fronting the Cup's rotation. I just
Speaker 1: but nobody's unavailable. You can touch on that and maybe
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Shaw as well.
Speaker 2: Patrick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shaw's hurt. You know, this wrist, brain has lingered.
Speaker 3: You know, I think he's gonna start or try to
Speaker 3: ramp up some activities again here soon. Off the top
Speaker 3: of my head, I honestly can't remember it, because there
Speaker 3: was like kind of multiple steps before he'd be back
Speaker 3: on a major league field. You're not quite sure how
Speaker 3: that impacts his availability at the deadline, just that injury question,
Speaker 3: but otherwise, yes, Shaw should be available. But again, that
Speaker 3: was a guy who was sort of almost untouchable last
Speaker 3: year just because of how they projected him as a
Speaker 3: third basement of the future. So now as an outfield
Speaker 3: he's still valuable. I think he's still be like your
Speaker 3: everyday right fielder next year, or left fielder for that matter.
Speaker 3: But I think it's kind of the Shaw and Pedro ramires,
Speaker 3: like I don't know if both of them should still
Speaker 3: be here after the August third deadline. I think you
Speaker 3: have to you have to kind of create some pitching.
Speaker 3: You have to, you know, go out and get that,
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe maybe it winds up being James
Speaker 3: Trianto's who gets moved. You know, he's a triple A guy,
Speaker 3: very young, plays a lot of those positions. You have
Speaker 3: some some versatility, so maybe in the end you know
Speaker 3: where the are, what the options are they going that way.
Speaker 3: But definitely, like we don't think the Tigers are going
Speaker 3: to trade Schooble or think that the Cubs are going
Speaker 3: to like give you go all out to get him,
Speaker 3: but you Shaw is a piece that kind of gets
Speaker 3: you in the conversation for almost any player who's gonna
Speaker 3: be out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean honestly, like Peter Ramirez has really shown
Speaker 1: me a lot, Like he's a good defend, a nice player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a quality player. But Shaw's good when he's healthy
Speaker 1: and he's out there, he's a he's a quality player too,
Speaker 1: and he's he's shown me a lot just by his willingness,
Speaker 1: uh to play anywhere and his versatility. Like he's good.
Speaker 1: He quickly has gotten good at different positions. Got to
Speaker 1: give him credit for that. But in the right move, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think anyone's available, like those every name that we
Speaker 1: mentioned here, Like, yeah, outside of the everyday players, you're
Speaker 1: not you're you know, you should be willing to move
Speaker 1: these guys. They have so much position player talent. Got
Speaker 1: add more pitching. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then we'll take more questions.
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Speaker 1: Where do you think Jed's head head is at on
Speaker 1: this team's ceiling. They're going to buy, But how big
Speaker 1: of a splash are they after? Yeah, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It is interesting to think about where how they look
Speaker 1: at this team as far as ceiling and it's I
Speaker 1: don't think it's singularly about are you in first place
Speaker 1: and and do you have the buye I think that's
Speaker 1: hugely important. I think that does change the calculus at
Speaker 1: the deadline, But as far as the ceiling of the team,
Speaker 1: I don't think it is fully determinive of how they
Speaker 1: feel about that. I think, simply put, I think he
Speaker 1: the month long offensive struggle did put a little question
Speaker 1: in his head, but he loves this team's offense. They
Speaker 1: have an elite defense, They trust their coaching staff. They
Speaker 1: have just been waylaid by injuries on the pitching staff,
Speaker 1: and that is their focus. How aggressive, how big of
Speaker 1: a splash? I mean, we've talked about that. I think
Speaker 1: you know Scooble probably not someone that's around for more.
Speaker 1: I think they'd love to get some offseason shopping done. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it would be the simplest way to put it.
Speaker 2: What's the cost?
Speaker 1: How much are they willing to give up. They do
Speaker 1: have some big time prospects that could move the needle,
Speaker 1: like we mentioned Shaw, Pedro, Ramirez could be available in
Speaker 1: the right deal. Like so yeah, like they're going to
Speaker 1: buy You're right, and I think we're going to find
Speaker 1: out how big of I think it's less about like
Speaker 1: how big of a splash are they after and more
Speaker 1: how big of a splash can they pull off?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean if they get like, you know,
Speaker 3: two eighth inning relievers, like maybe they're not the biggest.
Speaker 3: Obviously Mason Miller would be a huge splash. We don't
Speaker 3: know if Podgers are actually gonna sell much less where
Speaker 3: the Cubs would put together that sort of package, but
Speaker 3: like that could have a huge implac That's maybe not
Speaker 3: a splash in terms of the names going across the
Speaker 3: bottom of your TV screen. But I think just this
Speaker 3: interesting character because he doesn't sort of walk around name
Speaker 3: dropping like four red Sox and twenty sixteen Cubs all
Speaker 3: the time, like he's been he knows what it looks like,
Speaker 3: he's been around, you know, some of the biggest names,
Speaker 3: biggest moments in baseball history. But he is constantly focused
Speaker 3: on the future and weighing all these various probabilities and
Speaker 3: really clinging to his idea of value. And so I'd
Speaker 3: asked him, I was like, you know what it looks like?
Speaker 3: What are you seeing now? Like is it kind of
Speaker 3: passing the eye test? And you know, he said this
Speaker 3: position player group can win multiple rounds in October, like
Speaker 3: that is lining up, And I do think that impacts
Speaker 3: how he looks at I know, catching the Brewers is
Speaker 3: going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible. The odds
Speaker 3: say one thing, but I think you can watch this team.
Speaker 3: I know they have a really dynamic group of position players.
Speaker 3: Like when Dansby Swanson's hitting nine but putting up a
Speaker 3: year where he might get like twenty plus homers and
Speaker 3: eighty something RBI's Like that is what a deep, versatile
Speaker 3: lineup looks like. And so yeah, like it's on Jed
Speaker 3: and Carter here, like that's just I think we can
Speaker 3: understand their market forces and that there are future considerations.
Speaker 3: You can't ignore all of that, but it.
Speaker 2: Is on them.
Speaker 3: This theo Epstein said it on the Level Reunion podcast
Speaker 3: with end the resident David Ross, Like the clubhouse looks
Speaker 3: up to the front office, like you have one job,
Speaker 3: get us what we need. And you know this is
Speaker 3: this is their time to shine. Like they are on
Speaker 3: the clock. They have to go get it done, whether
Speaker 3: or not it's the biggest splash. They just have to
Speaker 3: be right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never forget. I believe it was twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: when the Astros, the year the Astros won this World Series,
Speaker 1: Dallas Kichel was kind of like called out the front
Speaker 1: off when they didn't make a big splash because the
Speaker 1: deadline passed and that was when the waiver wired deadline
Speaker 1: still existed. And then they ended up getting Justin Verlander.
Speaker 1: I think that completely changed the tenor of that group,
Speaker 1: and he was obviously a stud for them and a
Speaker 1: key piece in them winning their first World Series. It
Speaker 1: does matter, I think it does. You know, you show
Speaker 1: belief in a team, and Theo's talked about that a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm not Jed doesn't talk about that aspect a lot,
Speaker 1: but I remember THEO talking about a lot, like the team.
Speaker 1: We have to show the team, you know that we
Speaker 1: believe in them. This is our way of doing that.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Next one is from Jason Heldman. Pitching will rightfully get
Speaker 1: all the attention, but could a bench bat or two
Speaker 1: make sense. Seems a veteran could make more sense than
Speaker 1: having guys like Ramirez or al Contra waste away with
Speaker 1: few at bats per week. This was sent like a
Speaker 1: week ago, a little less than a week ago. Ramirez
Speaker 1: has played a ton lately. Al Contra is getting playing
Speaker 1: time against lefties. Look, I al Contra is not going
Speaker 1: to be here once Shaw is healthy, if you know,
Speaker 1: assuming Shaw gets healthy. I unless they have bad reports
Speaker 1: on Shaw and they're feeling more pessimistic and decide they
Speaker 1: need a right handed bat. Even then, I'm just not sure.
Speaker 1: Like Confordo has been great. What was it that the
Speaker 1: stat we were given last night? Patrick four pinch hit
Speaker 1: home runs is a ties a record for the Cubs, believe.
Speaker 3: Tied with Glenn Allen Hill in nineteen ninety nine for
Speaker 3: the most by a Cub in franchise history since at
Speaker 3: least nineteen oh one. The Cubs media relation departments research.
Speaker 1: So like, you have a good catching duo, you have
Speaker 1: Moises by Asterius waiting in the miners to get hot.
Speaker 1: They I do not think they're going to spend much
Speaker 1: time looking at like. I won't completely rule it out
Speaker 1: just because of the Shaw situation, but I'd be very
Speaker 1: surprised that their bench has been great this year and
Speaker 1: Ramirez has been playing a ton And like I.
Speaker 2: Said earlier, I think it was this episode. Like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, like he's impressed me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess something beyond Shaw's lingering issue. I guess
Speaker 3: something could pop up in the next whatever ten days
Speaker 3: ish that makes you rethink that. But no, they have
Speaker 3: their group. And the interesting part too, is how much
Speaker 3: built in flexibility they have, like how this roster was constructed.
Speaker 3: It's a way that you can just focus entirely on
Speaker 3: the pitching staff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, and here's the last question from Rob Ericsson.
Speaker 1: Have there been any talk for extension talk for hap
Speaker 1: end or Suzuki?
Speaker 2: They're both pending free agents.
Speaker 1: Obviously, losing your corner outfielders for such a good offense,
Speaker 1: it's hard to replace. It's not easy to replace. I
Speaker 1: have not heard anything about extension talks. In fact, I'd
Speaker 1: be a little surprised by extension talks. I could be
Speaker 1: way off on that, but let's let's make this are
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Speaker 1: what have you heard about about Saya s Azuki? Ian
Speaker 1: halp or I guess, says Azuki in particular.
Speaker 3: I'll start with have just in that, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not asking Ian half this every day. I guess theoretically
Speaker 3: something could have changed, But after that wave of extensions
Speaker 3: around opening Day, HAP acknowledge that, you know, there had
Speaker 3: not been any meaningful dialogue in that regard, and I
Speaker 3: just kind of got the sense that the Cubs are
Speaker 3: just going to let that one play out. Part of
Speaker 3: why I asked was because the APP did sign a
Speaker 3: surprise extension after the start of sorry whichever season that was,
Speaker 3: but it was one of those like leading up to
Speaker 3: opening Day. It was kind of like, yeah, we're just
Speaker 3: gonna put that on the back burner, and that's you know,
Speaker 3: it kind of popped probably about week to ten days
Speaker 3: after the start of that season, that might have been
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three something like that.
Speaker 2: Round.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I can't Yeah, I mean that sort of
Speaker 3: window when the Cubs were kind of building it back up.
Speaker 3: Still think making him a qualifying offer probably makes sense.
Speaker 3: The Cubs try and get a draft pick there, and
Speaker 3: you san At Suzuki is another one. You know, I
Speaker 3: haven't heard anything, haven't really pushed I think it's interesting. Well,
Speaker 3: we have heard or what hasn't like totally gone away
Speaker 3: with this idea of what if the Cubs are forced
Speaker 3: to trade from there every day lineup to get pitching help,
Speaker 3: like if they're boxing to a corner. I still have
Speaker 3: a hard time seeing that happening. But the idea was
Speaker 3: Saya was, yes, he has no trade clause. It would
Speaker 3: be really sort of awkward and difficult to broach that
Speaker 3: subject and actually follow through on that. But if you're
Speaker 3: in Sye's camp, you would probably be okay with that,
Speaker 3: just because it would get you out from under that
Speaker 3: possibility of a qualifying offer, the draft pick compensation, compensation
Speaker 3: that can hinder a players market as a free agent.
Speaker 3: But I don't know a lot of that sounds kind
Speaker 3: of like theoretical or abstract, like he is so good
Speaker 3: in the middle of this lineup threading a needle that way.
Speaker 3: I have a tough time wrapping my brain around.
Speaker 2: How about you, Yeah, that's that's what I was going
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: It sounds like one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: a lot of things have to go right and like perfectly,
Speaker 1: like you have to have the pitching deal in place,
Speaker 1: and our one hundred percent sure this is going to happen.
Speaker 1: Approach him, He has to approve Shaw. I think Shaw
Speaker 1: being healthy helps allow this to happen because then you
Speaker 1: put him in right field like kind of a platoon
Speaker 1: with Michael Confordo type thing. Probably, Uh, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a long shot, but you're right.
Speaker 1: It's something that we haven't heard like completely go away.
Speaker 1: So we don't want to say it's impossible, but yeah
Speaker 1: it we heard it, and it's just not but not recently.
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 1: At least maybe you've heard more things recently, but I
Speaker 1: just I'd be very surprised by it. Northside Territory is
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Speaker 1: I mean we didn't even say it, but but say
Speaker 1: has been hot again. He's one of the key pieces
Speaker 1: of this offense really, so that that's another reason why,
Speaker 1: I mean, taking away such a big piece of the
Speaker 1: puzzle feels a little crazy to me. Like he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's having like a season that's nearly as good as
Speaker 1: last year. He's got his highest walk rate, his second
Speaker 1: highest isolated power behind last year. Uh, he's on pace
Speaker 1: for like twenty five homers. You know, just I think
Speaker 1: it'd be a long shot. I think it is, and
Speaker 1: I think it would be counter productive.
Speaker 2: A hundred.
Speaker 3: I mean this part of the reason his name had
Speaker 3: popped up the Cubs got a couple of hits on
Speaker 3: him last offseason was it's finding an impactful right handed
Speaker 3: hitter is just really difficult. The teams that would want
Speaker 3: Saya right now are theoretically or potentially the teams that
Speaker 3: are gonna be trying to beat the Cubs in October.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, say, his time here has there's been some
Speaker 3: rocky moments or kind of weird adjustment, not weird like
Speaker 3: in a normal adjustment period, I should say it. It
Speaker 3: seems like Cubs and Saya's group have put a lot
Speaker 3: of effort into making this work and putting him in
Speaker 3: a position where he can just go out and play
Speaker 3: and succeed. He's doing it. He's one of those players who,
Speaker 3: like other players talk about in an admiring way of
Speaker 3: just say, realize how how talented he is. That this
Speaker 3: offense is rolling again, this office is going to have
Speaker 3: to carry them at certain stretches too, just with the
Speaker 3: way the pitching staff has been set up and really
Speaker 3: battered by injuries. So I think we had to address it.
Speaker 3: It's a good question. I don't know how much time
Speaker 3: or energy the front office is going to really spend
Speaker 3: on actually pursuing that possibility.
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