1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio. For 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: today's episode, we did want to start with a trigger warning. UM, 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: we are talking about violence against women today, so obviously 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: violence against women being something UM statistics on domestic and 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: partner violence. We're gonna be talking about rape and sexual 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: salt and murder, a little bit about UM suicide, and 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: also child abuse. So if any of those things are 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: triggering for you, just keep your mental health in mind, 10 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: skip it if you have to. All right, We're not 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: going to go into too much gory detail. We know 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: things are tough and it's a bit unsure, and though 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: we don't want to be all doom and glue whom 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: although I've been accused of that many times, it's hard 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: to ignore the new reports coming about violence against women, 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: whether it's a partner in domestic violence or within specific 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: communities like the trans women of color or in the military. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: So today we do want to do a quick examination, 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: and I mean it is quick as per usual because 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: there are so many things to be said, but we 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: just definitely wanted to make sure that we acknowledge what's happening, 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: and also kind of talk about if there's if and 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: what we can do to help. Absolutely, and also, as always, 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: if there's something we talk about in here that you 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: want us to come back and cover more in depth, 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: just let us know. We're happy to to take those 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: suggestions from you. Um and uh, the show is about 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: about you, listeners, so we want to give you material 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: that you want. Oh yeah, just to just to put 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: this caveat, we did have a listener messages about the 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: case of Vanessa Gee and Private first Class Vanessa Ge 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and and we do touch on that. Of course, we 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: do want to do a bigger episode of what that 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: includes and some of the um connotations behind some of 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: the studies. I will say, as per usual, it is 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: somewhat limited, not as limited as other information, but we 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: will try to dig into this a little deeper later. 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: So thank you listener, but we will try to do 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: it again, so I promise. Yes. Um. So let's start 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: with a look at the disturbing numbers we've seen around 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: an increase of violence during this pandemic and COVID nineteen. 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: So violence against women was a massive issue even before 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic, with one and three women and girls around 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: the world reporting being victims of some type of violence 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: in their lifetimes, and most of this is domestic and 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: intimate partner violence. With the pandemic, the situation has become 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: more dire in a lot of ways right so, according 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: to the Humans Right Watch, they have stated that authorities 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: should be worried about reports of rising ginger based violence 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: in the context of the COVID NINTEAM pandemic and associated lockdowns. 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: According to the report, they stayed at an increase of 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: gender based violence due to the increased level of stress 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: and issues of housing space or already difficult living situations 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: are rising. They say it also due to the lack 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: of community support and or no access to the internet, 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: the most at risk populations will likely be in danger. 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: Some communities at most risk are women in residential institutions, 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: as well as those who are disabled and being cared 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: for in home situations and the elderly. Reports note that 60 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: the higher risk of their health during COVID nineteen can 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: put them in more quote precarious positions in their dependency 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: on the support system around them. There are so many 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: uncertainties as we wait to see how things are affected 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: and in turn whether life may ever get back to normal, 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: but the reality is for some this is a prison 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: in a very dangerous situation. Right So, in regards to 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, we didn't want to talk about the rise 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: of domestic violence as well as intimate partner violence, and 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: all around the world numbers have risen. The numbers aren't 70 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: crystal clear due to the vast under reporting. Remember there's 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: less than forty percent who actually disclose, and not even 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: ten percent of those numbers are ever reported to police. 73 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: But but what has been noticed as the amount of 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: calls to crisis centers in regards to domestic and partner 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: violence that have been reported all over after the quarantines 76 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: requirements from different countries, The UN reported the following numbers. 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Singapore and Cyprus report at increase, Australia increase, in France 78 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: at thirty percent, increase, in Argentina at increase in calls. 79 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: And these numbers are from the middle of March, which 80 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: by the way, was in the middle of the crisis, 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: and for some of the countries at the beginning right um. 82 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: And some of the reasons behind this increase outside of 83 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: that heightened stress is the fact that the victims cannot 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: easily leave the their home and due to shelters overcrowding 85 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: and limiting space. Because of the pandemic, many organizations, including 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: nonprofits in certain areas like the Salvation An Army, have 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: made extra efforts by allowing victims to signal if they 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: are in distress and in need of assistance, like with 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: notes and things like that, and organizations have seen an 90 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: increase in needs for relocation assistance for many victims who 91 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: can't move on their own, whether it is because of 92 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: finances or because of lack of availability and just a reminder. 93 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: According to the c d C, without more detailed data 94 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: from the pandemic, one and four women experience some type 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: of partner violence, while one in ten men do as well, 96 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: and the numbers in the US are alarming. Records show 97 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: the percentage of increase are between eighteen to twenty seven 98 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: percent from March twenty nineteen to March. These numbers come 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: from just a few um cities, but they do show 100 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: an increase of incidents. We also wanted to spotlight the 101 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: dangers of those with disabilities during pandemics. According to reports, 102 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: young people with disabilities are three times more likely to 103 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: experience some type of sexual violence than those who are 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 1: not disabled, and those with disabilities are more often left 105 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: behind during a time of crimes and are even ignored 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: when looking for solutions. And according to the same UN report, 107 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: there are at least one out of seven people who 108 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: have a disability. We should make up at least one 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: billion people who are classified as disabled and at times 110 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: of pandemic are altogether not considered when policies are discussed 111 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: for accessibility and future response and care, and when discussing 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: protection for those who are in abuse of situations, the 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: disabled population is that much higher risk and we should 114 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: also mention the added layer if the individual is a woman, 115 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: a person of color, or a part of the l 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: g B, t q I, a S population, and the 117 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: access given to such a vulnerable population is limited and 118 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: even more so isolating as they may need assistance from 119 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: their caretaker who may be the abusers as well. Yeah, 120 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: and and something else we want to touch on is 121 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: violence against trans women and the numbers may not be 122 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: due to the pandemic, but we have senior rizing violence 123 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: against the transgender community. As of this week, which is 124 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: July for teenth, there have been twenty one death in 125 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: the trans community, which is almost up to the twenty 126 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: seven death last year, and technically we're only over halfway through, 127 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: believe it or not. And as we continue to see 128 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: violence against the transgender community, just a reminder that the 129 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: victims of hate violence are transgender and of those people 130 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: are transgender women of color as of seventeen, and we 131 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: just see this continue to escalate, and we've previously talked 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: about it. But when it comes to transgender community being 133 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: targeted by police and politics, we see an ever growing 134 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: debate about what right should be allotted to whom and 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: with rhetorics such as rawlings which continue to dehumanize and 136 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: belittle those who identifies change gender is, it isn't hard 137 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: to see why violence and aggression continue to be seen 138 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: and more accepted, which is appalling in almost every freaking way. Yes, yes, 139 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: um it is. And we have more things to talk 140 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: about that are also appalling. But first we're going to 141 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: pause for a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 142 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsored. Something else we wanted 143 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: to talk about, since a lot of us are spending 144 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: more time online during this time of staying in is 145 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: online harassment and do sing, which is publicly sharing someone's 146 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: private info like their address without their consent. We've touched 147 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: on this and related things in a handful of recent 148 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: episodes because it is such a massive issue, and we've 149 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: talked about some of the scarier things specifically to like 150 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: deep fakes, um revenge born and I have been docks 151 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: before and it is very, very scary, and this I 152 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: think it happened. Um, I mean maybe five or six 153 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: years ago. It's been a while, and I still because 154 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: I live in the same place, I still think about 155 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: it when I leave my house. Um, some dude was like, 156 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: if anyone's in the area wants to shut her up, 157 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: here's her address. And it caused this whole big thing 158 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: at work, and we had to go through training, and 159 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: we had to get security guards in and we had 160 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: to get these programs. It's supposed to delete your address 161 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: if it's published anywhere. Um. We still have a lot 162 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: of those in place to this day. So Yeah, it's 163 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: a it's a very scary, scary thing. Yeah. I feel 164 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: like it's being and we have a great community, so 165 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm not too worried. But just in case someone comes 166 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: in who just wants to be a little angry, like 167 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: a little scared of what could happen. Hopefully no one 168 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: could get me. Speaches is a fierce So this is 169 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: a wide spread problem. According to a pre research study, 170 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: of Americans report experiencing online harassment and six report having 171 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: witnessed it. Folks into LGBTQ plus community in people of color, 172 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: and women are twice as likely to be targeted when 173 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: compared to men. That's not surprising. And as we've seen 174 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: during Black Lives Matter protests and the pandada and the pandemic, 175 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: there's been a rise in online harassment of black journalists 176 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: and other outspoken black voices, scientists, people in public health, 177 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: and Asian and Asian Americans. And this is an attempt 178 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: to intimidate people into silence, as we actually witnessed with 179 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: that one police officer who decided to docks that state 180 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: worker who ended up getting brutally raped. Yeah. Um, and 181 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: one aspect of this is cyber bowling. So yes, it 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: seems be best isn't working. Um. Recently, in Japan, young 183 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: pro wrestler and reality TV star Hanna Kimura took her 184 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: own life, reportedly in part due to hundreds of harassing 185 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: comments journalists and one of the faces of Japan's Me 186 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: Too movement. Shiori Ito spoke about this issue at a 187 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: press conference UM and she talked about how UM and 188 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: in the three years after she accused a prominent media 189 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: figure in Japan of rape, she has received over seven 190 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: hundred thousand hate messages, some sent to her her family 191 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: and friends. She filed a lawsuit against three of these harassers, 192 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: one of them a cartoonist who made a cartoon suggesting 193 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: that she had made a false accusation. She made the 194 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: whole thing up right. And one of the reasons this 195 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: is so frightening and no joke. There's an entire category 196 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: of horror movies dedicated to it, which I haven't watched 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: much of, is how I'm sure is how difficult it 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: can be to hold people accountable for their actions of 199 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: harassment online. It can take multiple corporate seatings, which is 200 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: so much time and so much money in most of instances, actually, 201 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: and the burden of proof is ridiculously difficult. If someone 202 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: made the hate post in a question at an Internet 203 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: cafe or somewhere similar, it can be almost impossible to 204 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: pin down the identity of the poster. Yeah, and I 205 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: know I've talked about this before. UM. Working for in 206 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: media and at an internet company, there is a kind 207 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: of gray area of um, because there's sexual HARASSMT policies 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: at at your job most likely, but if your job 209 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: requires you to engage with these comments that are harassing, 210 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: We've had meetings about it, like what does this entail, 211 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: what does it look like? What what can we put 212 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: in place to protect people? Um? And it's tricky, It's 213 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: very very tricky. Some social media platforms are taking some 214 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: steps to crack down on cyber bullying, allowing for the 215 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: removal of hate messages, reporting tools warning people about possible 216 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: hate messages. This process, too, is not as black as white. Um, 217 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: as as it might seem, it's not as easy as 218 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: just reporting and then the problem it goes away. Or 219 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: I reported Donald Trump on Twitter about ten times, I 220 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: think yeah yeah. Um. Here in the US, high school 221 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: student Tricia Prabu invented an app called Rethink that analyzes 222 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: messages for offensive words and does sort of a are 223 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: you sure before you post? Or she was in high 224 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: school at the time. According to her, of adolescence changed 225 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: their mind after the message. Ah, that sounds about right, 226 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: that's I mean, if that's true, that's really promising. But 227 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: it would take the required step that you would download it. Yeah. 228 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: I think this is why I'm grateful that I didn't 229 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: have social media like that as a kid, because I 230 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: posted many angsty stuff on my zanga sites. I want 231 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: to know so much about never know. Anyway, we're going 232 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: to go back to domestic and or intimate partner violence, 233 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: where technology plays a huge role in that. Even before 234 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the pandemic, women and girls report being the target of 235 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: violence made possible by some type of cyber or technological tool. 236 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: And this can be things like revenge, porn, death, or rape, threats, 237 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: monitoring and or stalking. And honestly, one of the things 238 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: that I was talked about in one of the u 239 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: N articles was the fact that the phone is heavily 240 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: used to stalk as well as to intimidate many people, 241 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: many of the partners who when they're trying to leave. 242 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: This category encompasses the most common type of intimate partner 243 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: of organization and is used to facilitate other types of violence. 244 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: And this type of violence is linked with a range 245 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: of negative physical and mental health outcomes, things like depression, 246 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: substance abuse, and anti social behavior and PTSD and trauma. 247 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: These more adversely impact marginalized communities by the way. Yeah, 248 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: and we've been talking recently about how technology and social 249 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: media is often used in grooming and and that can 250 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: lead to and then um, how this level of monitoring 251 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: uh can really isolate someone when they need help UH 252 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: during the lockdown, when technology is more important than ever 253 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of us to stay connected. Forms of 254 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: technological abuse include cutting off someone's access yeah, monitoring their 255 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: communications are stalking, non consensual sharing of photos or forced 256 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: watching of porn, and live streaming, the sexual abuse of children. UM. 257 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Some abusers even use technology to cover up or attempt 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: to cover up what they're doing. Compounding the problem is 259 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: a lack of understanding of the issue by many, including 260 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: people in law enforcement. Are are people in courts um, 261 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: And the lack of good resources to seek help, and 262 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: court systems that frequently fail those that report or even 263 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: blame them instead, budget cuts, two abuse hotlines and homeless 264 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: shelters that that doesn't help either. All Right, and I've 265 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: seen many cases where the judicial system cannot keep up 266 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: with the technology that is used to room and abuse 267 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: others and or go after people. It's it's amazing how 268 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: fast it just skips ahead, and how far behind law 269 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: enforcement and the justice system really is. Yeah. So reports 270 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: of online sexual abuse of children is on the rise 271 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: during the pandemic as well, um and always a good 272 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: reminder a lot of those goes unreported, misreported, or just ignored. 273 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: And according to the New York Times report, the number 274 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: of images and videos depicting sexual abuse and the torture 275 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: of a child reported by tech companies doubled between ten 276 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: to forty five million. And I want to vomit right now, um. 277 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: And this number has searched during the time of quarantine, 278 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: and during the first few months of the pandemic, this 279 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: material went up by two compared to the months before, 280 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: while at the same time the percentage of that material 281 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: being taken down dropped by as much as eight And 282 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: by the way, ninety percent of these images and videos 283 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: are of girls. Web by Que, a cybersecurity company, found 284 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: nine thousand two in fifty five credible links to child 285 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: abuse material, more than tripled what it had been a 286 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: month before right when quarantine set in. UM. They also 287 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: found forty thou posts informs around child abuse. Slowing down 288 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: and takedown is directly due to the pandemic as well, 289 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: which reduced capacity slower responses, resources shutdown, and law enforcement 290 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: has reported having to prioritize cases by age, which by 291 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: the way, is not uncommon. You will see that as 292 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: well for defects workers or child abuse investigators and social workers, 293 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: that they have to do it by type of abuse, 294 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: by age, and by UM likelihood of death. Yeah, and 295 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: I read UM interviews with people who are working on 296 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: this UM and just I could like, even though I 297 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: was reading it, I could feel and hear the trauma 298 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: in what they were saying of having to make those 299 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: decisions right. UM. So there are some proposed technological solutions 300 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: for a few of these issues that we've talked about 301 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: in this wide category of online harassment and abuse UM, 302 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: two factor identification for devices, abuse aware technology UM, which 303 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: I read about and I see the potential for but 304 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: also kind of made me nervous UM and improved digital security. 305 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: But these are definitely not widespread or without problems of 306 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: their own. Some other solutions include making sure hotlines and 307 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: online chat functions are funded but also UM advertised so 308 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: people know about these things, they know that these things 309 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: exist for them UM. Increased telehealth access provided by UM 310 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: companies are organizations UM. There are apps for collecting evidence 311 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: of violence, and some survivors are working on regenerative apps 312 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: to foster kind and empathetic conversations. And just a reminder. 313 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: We talked about this before, but a lot of at times, 314 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: some of those perpetrators are also children and not understanding 315 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing and or doing it without thinking. And 316 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: I will say, I see plenty of teenagers who are 317 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: revenge posting of their girlfriends who are also under age. 318 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: And you have a fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old who 319 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: may have gotten a photo and using that as well, 320 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: not understanding that they are actually distributing porn are and 321 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: child porn, And just kind of a reminder for those 322 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: parents out there beyond the lookout, it's not just just 323 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: creepy old men lurking about which, by the way, there's 324 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: plenty of those, and that's gross is enough, but a 325 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: lot of the new trend and we've been talking about it. 326 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: I've been talking about it because it's one of the 327 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: things that I've seen an increase of is childhood and 328 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: child perpetrators, and is what they think as simple as 329 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: this and easy to do, not realizing what they're doing 330 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: is a felony, right, And also need to be taught 331 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: a lesson. She just did a very stern finger point. 332 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: This is the social worker for me having to work 333 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: with children in slat risk kids. I appreciated it. I 334 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: felt it in my heart. My heart skipped to be 335 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: no face stern face. Yes, it was very stern. Uh. 336 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: The Harvard Business Review, with the help of a few experts, 337 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: did compile a digital toolkit called the Online Harassment Field 338 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: Manual to kind of help deal with all of what 339 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about. And the steps are one, identify the abuse. 340 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: They define online abuse as quote repeated or severe targeting 341 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: online of an individual or group through harmful behavior. So 342 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: kind of asking yourself, is this just sort of a 343 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: mean comment or is it? Does it constitute abuse? UM? 344 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: To document the abuse? Three, assess your safety? Are they 345 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: using your real name, address number? UM? Are they getting 346 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: a time and place for threats things like that? UM 347 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: for block mute report which might require in listing the 348 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: help of an ally or friend, because this can cause escalation. 349 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: We know that. You know if you get a, for instance, 350 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: restraining order from a stalker, sometimes that often leads to 351 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: escalation UM. And you may need somebody to keep an 352 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: eye out for that so if you block somebody, you 353 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: can't see it necessarily, but a friend of yours could, 354 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: UM bolster your cybersecurity. You change those passwords, make sure 355 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: they're really strong ones. Um enlisting help and listening allies 356 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: and speaking out though that when they said, uh, it 357 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: comes with some caveats like this is a very personal 358 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: thing and won't be the same for everyone. They use 359 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: the example of some people who report uh, like trolls 360 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: to their mom's so it's different. That varies UH. And 361 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: then eight practice self care and these are all uh. 362 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: They have much more detailed examples of what they mean 363 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: on their site, so if you're interested, you can go 364 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: check that out. And they also describe it as almost 365 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: like the grieving process or you don't have to do 366 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: all the stuffs and you can do them in different orders. 367 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: But nice little toolkit that they put together. UM. So 368 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: that is a massive, massive topic. UM. But those those 369 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: are some of the big issues we're seeing right now, 370 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: UM when it comes to women. But we have we 371 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: have a couple more areas we want to touch on, 372 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: but first we have one more break for word from 373 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So we 374 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up another issue, um, and we're gonna 375 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: just touch on it today, but we will return to 376 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: do a whole episode on this, and it's specifically what's 377 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: going on with the women and children and Yemen. So 378 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Yemen has ranked last in the World Economic Forum Gender 379 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Gap Index since two thousand six. Yemen is in the 380 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: midst of a major humanitarian crisis and one that has 381 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: only worsened with COVID nineteen and women and children are 382 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: disproportionately impacted. And actually our sister podcasts at Ethnically and 383 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: BIGE was they actually did a whole episode on it 384 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: as well. You should definitely go check it out because 385 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: it's so compacted with a lot of good information and 386 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: things that we should be talking about. More So, twelve 387 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: million children and six million women have required some type 388 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: of humanitarian assistance over the span of the five years 389 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: of conflict. Since the conflicts beginning, abuse and violence targeting 390 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: women has jumped six with adolescent girls being particularly impacted, 391 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: and estimated three million women and girls are at risk 392 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: for experiencing gender based violence and there aren't really any 393 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: tools or systems to protect them or even get them justice. 394 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: Women are also more likely to go without food. At 395 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: one point one million pregnant women and new moms are 396 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: acutely malnourished, as our two million children five are younger. 397 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: More than half of the three point six million displaced 398 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: are women, and many of those displaced end up in 399 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: overcrowded and unsanitary conditions right for spreading COVID nineteen organizations 400 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: are doing what they can to help promote and implement 401 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: public health initiatives with the folk it's on the most 402 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: vulnerable of the population, ramping up prevention methods through education 403 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: and protocols, getting life saving supplies in place. Funding has 404 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: threatened these programs. Thirty of the forty one organizations doing 405 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: this work are expected to close soon they can't get 406 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: the money to continue operating. Many on the ground are 407 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: calling for a feminist approach to handling this crisis, one 408 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: that centers on girls and women. I wonder what that 409 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: would specifically look like and whether it would be permitted 410 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: and how long it would survive. Yeah. Um, and as 411 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, we did want to talk a 412 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: bit about the case of private first Class Vanessa gy 413 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: and Uh. She was a woman who dreamt like many 414 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: did since childhood, of enlistening in the military. Her mother 415 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: reported that she had always feared for her daughter and 416 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: was hoping that she would eventually change her mind, but 417 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: she didn't enjoin with the hopes of protecting the country right. 418 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Pretty closely after graduating high school, UM, she was reported 419 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: missing by her parents and her body was not governed 420 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: until two months later. It took too long, in most 421 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: people's opinions, for people to realize that there was something 422 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: wrong as it and as it turned out, she was 423 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: murdered and dragged in a quote tough box by a 424 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: fellow soldier from the base. She was later found dismembered 425 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: near Leon Lake, which weirdly enough, but but probably not weirdly, 426 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: another body was also found. The story began a nationwide conversation. 427 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: UM helped him part along from the hashtag I Am 428 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: Vanessa Gean, fellow soldiers or former soldiers began sharing their 429 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: stories of sexual harassment assault within the military. Vanessa told 430 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: her mother before her death that she was being sexually 431 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: harassed by a fellow soldier. There are so many stories 432 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: of harassment assault that have been happening within the military, 433 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: according to reports in the Pentagon stated according to one 434 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: of their surveys, there was at least twenty thousand, five 435 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: hundred instances in twenty nineteen, number increased by ten percent. 436 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: At one point in time, there was a decrease as sixteen, 437 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: but numbers have vastly changed. Many women recounted stories of 438 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: harassment and unwanted sexual attention throughout their time in the service. 439 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: One woman really that she was placed on specific deck 440 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: because she would be raped on another specific deck mm hmm. 441 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: And much like many of the predatory tactics in most situations, 442 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: the culture of grooming is a big problem within the system. 443 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: The reports show a pattern of senior officers grooming junior officers, 444 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: whether it is through mentorship or through actual sexual harassment. 445 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: UM there's been a correlation of quote joking and grooming. 446 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: For example, the d O D noted that oftentimes perpetrators 447 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: would use an inappropriate joke to see who would be 448 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: offended and those who would just go along with it, 449 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: and more often associated those who would allow such a 450 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: joke to be easily victimized. And though we don't want 451 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: to go too in depth about it, the cases involving 452 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: male victims often begin with hazing practices, and throughout the 453 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: reports many often spoke of toxic environments, which would lead 454 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: to more open acceptance, for lack of a better term, 455 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: or allowance of such disturbing sexually predatory behaviors. Those who 456 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: you take allegations and joking as serious indications of a 457 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: larger problem, we're more likely to acknowledge and prevent incidents 458 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: on sexual harassment and assault. Um. Yeah, so that's that 459 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: story was so disturbing on so many levels. But it 460 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: did have to kind of reopen or not reopen, just 461 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: kind of readdress and uh, bring back to light how 462 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: bad the situation can get if no one acknowledges what's 463 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: going on. Many questions of why this type of harassment 464 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: and assault was happening for so long, and also how 465 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: she was so easily dismissed and not found for so 466 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: long of a time. I know the family has pleaded 467 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: for some type of policy or regulation in honor of 468 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: Vanessa's memory to stop such assaults and harassment and or 469 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: at least put accountable those who would continue such practices 470 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: and allow such predatory behaviors. Yeah, which seems like the 471 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: bare minimum. Should think you should have already been there. Yeah, 472 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: I remember, like I came, I grew up in a 473 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: military town. And so you took that military test in 474 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: high school and I guess I did really well on 475 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: it because they kept calling me and I did I 476 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, um, and uh. I remember 477 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: it was a man who kept calling me. And at 478 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: one point he said, look, you're gonna be like one 479 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: of the only women and they're going to be so 480 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: attracted to you. You're gonna have your choice of like men. Um, 481 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: you like, if you want to have sex, you're gonna 482 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: have as much sex as you want. And I was 483 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: like sixteen maybe, and I just remember, are feeling so comfortable? 484 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: But this was like a selling point, Um, that would 485 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: be grooming right there. Yeah, it was really like even then, 486 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: like I I laughed nervously because that's sort of what 487 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I was taught to do, right, especially when an adult 488 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: man is telling you this. Yeah, and he was clearly 489 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: saying it as though I was going to be over 490 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: the moon by this information. Thank yeah. Wow. But like 491 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: if that was just some random recruiter guy talking to 492 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: a high schooler, that shows the depth of the problem, right, Like, 493 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: we've got a real issue culture issue to address here, exactly. 494 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: And I forgot to add at the beginning that the 495 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: soldier who was identified as the perpetrator. His girlfriend was 496 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: a part of it as well, and it was the 497 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: one that kind of put some details to the case, 498 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: which is disturbing in itself, but it has a long 499 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: line of who's protecting those who are trying, who you 500 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: say are protect in us or should be protecting us, 501 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: and who are protecting those who like for some reason, Um, 502 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: I think that this could be a life changing thing 503 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: for them because they want to, not just because they 504 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: don't have any other choice to. Why have we let 505 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: them down so badly? Yeah? Um, and yeah we have 506 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: obviously once again just scratch the surface with this one. 507 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: As we see the effects of the pandemic, and it 508 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: feels like one crisis after another we get new information 509 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and seemingly more concerns on how we as a community 510 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: are responding. But it is important that we don't turn 511 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: a blind eye. And some of the questions are how 512 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: are we changing things or how can we change things? 513 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: And it's kind of repetitive education. We have to be 514 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: willing to see the ugliness even if it makes us uncomfortable, 515 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: and talk about it and make sure that we're being 516 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: allowed and make sure we're not letting the victims are 517 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: people who are under concert scrutiny, be alone and forgotten 518 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: and action. We have to keep being louder, demanding justice, 519 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: demanding accountability. If you can look for ways to volunteer, UM, 520 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: whether it's through helping virtually with a website or checking 521 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: in on your vulnerable neighbors, of course from a distance 522 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: with a mask. UM. Yes, care caring to UM because 523 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: we can't give up. We can't get given to you 524 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: being exhausted, UM just because now we aren't talking about 525 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: self care. If you don't care for yourself and allow 526 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: yourself to to grow, then you you can't help or 527 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: change things. So do take that relaxing bath, play an 528 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: hour of your favorite video games. Keep on writing your 529 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: fan fiction. One of my new favorite sayings is write 530 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: the fan fiction you want to read in the world. UM. 531 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, it can make you tired and it's sad, 532 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: but we need to keep opening our eyes and keeping watch. 533 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: We can't just ignore these things, right right. So with 534 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: that being said, if there's something that you feel like 535 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: we should be talking about our resources you'd like to 536 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: share with us that we can share with listeners about 537 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: anything we've talked about or anything at all, um, please 538 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: please email us your You can send those messages to 539 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Stuff Media, mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. 540 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Instagram at Stuff I've 541 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: Never Told You, are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 542 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our superproducer Andrew Howard. 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