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Speaker 1: All right, Hello Texans, and we are back. It's Texans Radio,

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandermer and John Harris back from a break. We

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Speaker 1: were off for three weeks with the team having lost

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Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs in the Divisional round, and

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Speaker 1: we reignite Texans Radio the day after the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: no matter how far the Texans do or do not go,

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Speaker 1: and someday they'll win the Super Bowl or at least

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Speaker 1: play in it, and we'll have no break at all,

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Speaker 1: and we will gleefully take that situation, Johnny, because we

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Speaker 1: all watched a super Bowl yesterday, and what a place

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Speaker 1: to start in a very Texans way. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: start with this, Demico. Ryans wants to win the way

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Speaker 1: the Eagles won that to destroy the offense, get into

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Speaker 1: the quarterback's kitchen, spend a lot of time there, force

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Speaker 1: bad plays. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, those goat conversations are

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Speaker 1: going to die down dramatically now after that performance.

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Speaker 2: And look, we've seen it here.

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Speaker 1: When you got people in your lap constantly, it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to get the ball off accurately. I know he's

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Speaker 1: a tremendous quarterback. He's one of the best ever, one

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Speaker 1: of them but that was a rough night for him

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Speaker 1: because the Eagles got after it. And then on offense,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about swarm. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: some key quarterback runs, no doubt about it. Barkley didn't

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Speaker 1: go nuts, but he did enough. And the quarterback threw

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Speaker 1: the ball well, Jillen hurts through the ball well, and

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Speaker 1: you had good field position based on the turnovers very often.

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Speaker 1: They capitalized and they crushed the Kansas City Chiefs. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the way Damiko Ryans wants to win.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's the way I'd like to win. When you

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Speaker 3: demoralize a team going for a three peat and you

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Speaker 3: do it that particular way. It was glorious to Watts

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Speaker 3: just from a football perspective, like the Eagles are dominating

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Speaker 3: this game, dominate.

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Speaker 2: He was forty to six. Yeah, it was forty to six.

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Speaker 3: I know they threw on a couple of you know,

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Speaker 3: late touchdowns, good for Hock to get a touchdown, whatever,

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Speaker 3: but they dominated that game physically. What I liked, first

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Speaker 3: of all, Vic Fangio was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: He didn't blitz.

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Speaker 3: He did a great job in taking away Travis Kelce,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of which is mahomes Wood be you know, like,

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Speaker 3: where where's my guy?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Now they're bracketing him.

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Speaker 3: Now they're taking him like Kelsey couldn't get to an

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Speaker 3: open spot. And because the Eagles are so in tuned

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Speaker 3: to where he was and Fangio put all that together,

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Speaker 3: they didn't blitz on forty two dropbacks.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible blitz.

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Speaker 1: Didn't it feel like they were blitzing glitz As I'm

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Speaker 1: watching this game, I feel like, yeah, they're sending six

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Speaker 1: or seven because look at all that pressure.

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Speaker 2: No they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're just getting precious got four got. And the other

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Speaker 3: thing was they came in waves. Josh Sweed a couple

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Speaker 3: of sacks, Milton Williams, who's gonna get paid a few sacks.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter didn't have any sacks.

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Speaker 3: He gotta punch to the face of Mahomes, which is

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Speaker 3: kind of awesome, but he was taking up a couple

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Speaker 3: of blockers. And here's the thing there, four beat Kansas

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Speaker 3: Cities five and six and sometimes seven all night.

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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people I've heard kind

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Speaker 3: of talk about the Texans and you know what teams

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Speaker 3: did the Texans this year that didn't really happen to

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Speaker 3: the Texans. If you go back and you really watch, Look,

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Speaker 3: every team is gonna give up a sack here there,

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Speaker 3: because everybody in the NFL is on scholarship. They all

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Speaker 3: get paid. So they got beat a few times. Here

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Speaker 3: they're one on one that it happened. But for the

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Speaker 3: most part, where the Texans struggled were stunts and twists

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Speaker 3: and the fifth man pressure and here comes the sixth

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Speaker 3: guy and Rick Ischet stunt. They struggled with those things,

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Speaker 3: extra guys being brought to the party.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles didn't bring an extra guy.

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Speaker 3: And they still got to him and still got to them.

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Speaker 3: And it was waves of guys. They would start with Sweat,

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Speaker 3: They came in waves. It was like it didn't matter

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Speaker 3: And to me, it goes to show we've kind of

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Speaker 3: talked about this. I talked about it from week one

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Speaker 3: with the Chiefs. They threw out Kingsley, sumataia A rookie

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Speaker 3: it was the humors ub. Yeah, it'd be fine.

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Speaker 2: We'll make it work with the Chiefs, will make it work. Nope,

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Speaker 2: didn't work. Then DJ Humphries went over there, he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: You put Joe Toney out there because you had nothing

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Speaker 2: He survived, although he had some struggles against us.

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Speaker 3: At some point they had to go back to because

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Speaker 3: Humphreys was healthy. They had to try and get a

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Speaker 3: say this last night about Kelli endo Kelly. I know

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Speaker 3: it really didn't hurt them. He wasn't great, but he

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Speaker 3: didn't hurt them. Tony being at left tackle hurt them.

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Speaker 3: But it was just kind of the hubris. I thought

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Speaker 3: We'll be fine, Patrick will be fine. And then that

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Speaker 3: left tackle got dominated. He got dominated all night and

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Speaker 3: he wasn't the only one had to run for his life. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Malmes was running for his life. He didn't find anything open.

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Speaker 3: And when you can rush four and you've got long

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Speaker 3: which goes to the thing we talked about with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Also, are the receivers good enough? Hollywood? Brown had only

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Speaker 2: been there from our game going forward, and the thought was, oh,

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Speaker 2: we got our receivers. Now everybody's hell, yeah, good. But

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Speaker 2: who's great? Who's Worthy? Great? Worthy?

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a study Worthy, He's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a stud watch out for Worthy. That's gonna be trued oubt.

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Speaker 3: But they're in an interesting and we can go a

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Speaker 3: lot of different ways with this. Because the Texans are

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Speaker 3: going to be up there at Arrowhead in the regular

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Speaker 3: gonna happen, We just don't know when. So next year,

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Speaker 3: what's Travis Kelcey up to?

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Speaker 2: Right? Is he still going to be Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 1: He's getting a little more seasoned now, not saying he

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Speaker 2: And then you're right. Worthy looks amazing. So that's good.

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Speaker 1: They've got backs, and they can get backs, but they

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Speaker 1: got to beef up that offensive line. They've got some issues.

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Speaker 1: No doubt that defense should still be very good. But

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Speaker 1: as far as that defense goes back to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Hertz had some possessions where in some dropbacks where he

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Speaker 1: over the field, make a good throw, make a good read.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he was flushed out, but he's gonna kill you

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Speaker 2: Either. He'll make a good decision.

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Speaker 1: I know he threw the pick in the first half,

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Speaker 1: but he'll make a good decision more often than not.

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Speaker 1: He could turn it up the corner and run for

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Speaker 1: first down and then reload. Man, he looked good. MVP

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Speaker 1: absolutely deserved it. I was happy for him, and I

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Speaker 1: think the whole nation, other than Chiefs fans happy that

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Speaker 1: Kansas City lost so badly. And I hate to say

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Speaker 1: it like that, but that was an eighty Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: blowout and it was fun to watch. Everybody's having a

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Speaker 1: good time except those who support the Red.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And I think as you watch the Chiefs and you think, okay,

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Speaker 3: Chiefs played a lot of one score games this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Broncos should have beaten them. The Bengals had them

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Speaker 3: beat the Ravens had them beat at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: the year. That wasn't a it wasn't a fifteen to

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Speaker 3: two team. And I've said that before. It was the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Tennessee Titans. I said it throughout the year.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's not the number one seed in AFC.

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Speaker 3: I could promise you. They got bounced in divisional playoff

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Speaker 3: round by the Bengals and it wasn't even close, even

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Speaker 3: though I think he came down to a field, but

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Speaker 3: it really wasn't a close game.

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Speaker 2: But I kind of felt that way with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: We just didn't have firepower to be able to make

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Speaker 3: that thing at the end of the third quarter twenty

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Speaker 3: three to thirteen, and now you're forcing them to chase.

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Speaker 3: We had some of the elements that the Eagles threw

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Speaker 3: you know, you think about you think.

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Speaker 2: About what the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: The Chief's got a free thirty yards with those two

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Speaker 3: fifteen yard penalty, and they kept drives alive. But that

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Speaker 3: on the other. They kept drives alive, drives it turning

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Speaker 3: to points. And look, I've said before, what the officials

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Speaker 3: didn't cost the Texans that game. Inability offensively to do

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Speaker 3: what it is that we should have been able to

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Speaker 3: do all year long was what costs us in that game.

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Speaker 3: But the Chiefs have got some holes at corner other

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Speaker 3: than McDuffie, and even McDuffie. McDuffie got beat by AJ Brown. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so AJ Brown's real good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, A J. Brown's real good. It's just in and

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Speaker 2: Devoutae Smith is real good.

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Speaker 3: Slim Reaper had a uh that that man that dagger

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Speaker 3: shot right before the I mean to make it thirty

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Speaker 3: four to nothing, was thinking.

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Speaker 2: About what they have.

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Speaker 1: They have that old line, they've got her at tight end,

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Speaker 1: they've got the mot day Smith. Yeah, they got AJ Brown.

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Speaker 1: I mean they got a lot going. They got Saquon

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Speaker 1: park By MVP type running back. They've got a lot

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Speaker 1: going for them, and they've got an ego less quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he just wants to win and he's been to a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, you don't want me at Alabama, I'll

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Speaker 1: go to Ou now with the Eagles, Oh you want

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Speaker 1: to trade for Deshaun Watson, because that was a fact

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Speaker 1: they were into that.

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Speaker 2: We're twenty twenty one at the trauma.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine they didn't obviously make an offer that

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario liked that we know about, but there was

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of rumblings and rumors and stories

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Speaker 1: and reports and things like that that they were interested

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Speaker 1: because they weren't sold on Hurts. Well, Hurts has been

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Speaker 1: to two Super Bowls and he's won one now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's off obviously off to a tremendous start in

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Speaker 1: his career.

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Speaker 2: And you could bind all of that. He's twenty six

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you combine all of that what they have defensively,

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Speaker 3: and you know, they hit on Dejeene, they hit on

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Speaker 3: Quinya Mitchell, who was the best corner I thought.

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Speaker 2: Last WEEP draft had was awesome.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was tremendous.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yep. But that's it. That's the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And look, this is a game where you know, you

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Speaker 2: In the championship game. That's pretty good. That was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: They lost the Ravens score.

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Speaker 3: They beat the Ravens twenty four to nineteen, okay, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were fantastic. That was a big moment

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Speaker 3: I think too much. We can't really determine that right now.

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Speaker 2: Been tweaks offensively. There're gonna be more personnel.

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Speaker 1: You certainly have Joe Mixon on this roster, and I

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Speaker 1: The defense, Look, every year is different, but you got

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Speaker 1: Play in two playoff games in this building, coached by

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Speaker 1: So if if they can get to play multiple playoff

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Speaker 1: and then you take it from there. Look, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think one thing that.

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Speaker 3: And it's more of a result than it is a process.

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Speaker 2: A different result.

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Speaker 1: The best road win since Demiko's been here, Since Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: To camp off the regular season.

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Speaker 1: You won the playoff berth in the process, and they

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Speaker 2: It with this.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's fact I'm asking because I think I'm

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Speaker 1: Last year's Bengals didn't make the playoffs, right, but they

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Speaker 2: They did not because Burrow got hurt. They finished hurt.

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Speaker 3: three Ravens did.

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Speaker 2: We lost to them.

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Speaker 2: Colts didn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but this year because of you, Yeah, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: finished nine and eight, right.

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Speaker 3: This year, Colts didn't, Vikings did, but lost to them.

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Speaker 3: Patriots didn't, Packers did. We lost to them, Jets didn't.

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Speaker 3: We lost to them, Cowboys didn't. We beat them, Jaguars

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Speaker 3: didn't beat them, Chiefs did lost to them.

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Speaker 2: Titans didn't. We beat them.

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Speaker 1: So you've beat two winning, two teams that finished with

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Speaker 1: a winning record on the road in the two years.

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Speaker 2: So here's here's my my my thought.

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Speaker 3: I'm bringing that up first of all, and this is

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Speaker 3: why I said to you the other day the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and the Ravens, because we'll play both of them on

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Speaker 3: the road this year.

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Speaker 2: Those to me temperature setting games.

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Speaker 3: Those are where are you like football existentialism sort of

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Speaker 3: games because you haven't you haven't played a ton.

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Speaker 2: Of playoff teams on the road.

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Speaker 3: But this year, in particular Vikings, Packers, Chiefs, you lost

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Speaker 3: to the playoff teams you were gonna face on the road.

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Speaker 3: You have to get to where you take that performance

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Speaker 3: that you had against the Chargers and you take that

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Speaker 3: and it travels. It isn't just well, you know, we

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Speaker 3: play inside. You know that was always the thing with

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Speaker 3: the Oilers. You know, we've got a team that could

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Speaker 3: play on this turf for fast or this or that.

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Speaker 3: You got to take that and then go outside and

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Speaker 3: beat the Chiefs and beat the Ravens and beat the Bills.

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Speaker 3: That's what you have to get this to a point.

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Speaker 3: And this leads me back to the game last night.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles had in the playoffs anything they wanted with

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Speaker 3: Sakwon Barkley, anything. They ran the Rams ragged with Sakuon Barkley.

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Speaker 3: They went nuts against the commanders of Saquon Barkley in

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Speaker 3: different ways. When your number one gun no matter what

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Speaker 3: it is, whether it's Nico, whether it's CJ, whether it's

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Speaker 3: show mix in, whether.

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Speaker 2: It's somebody that's brought in here. I don't know. Your

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Speaker 2: number one thing that you do is then taken.

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Speaker 3: Away because you're playing a good playoff team that's smart,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna take it away. How do you then say, Okay,

477
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Speaker 3: do the Jalen Hurts thing, do the John Dotson, do

478
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Speaker 3: Dallas Goddter, go to your next go to your other people,

479
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Speaker 3: go to a different way of winning the game, and

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Speaker 3: go dominate the game that way. That's to me what

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Speaker 3: the Eagles did last night that was so impressive. They

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Speaker 3: had their number one offensive threat out or taking out

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Speaker 3: taken out basically, and they said, fine, we'll still beat.

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Speaker 2: You this way and physically beat you up.

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Speaker 3: And I think that Demiko is getting his his team

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Speaker 3: to that point. I think it's getting to that point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know we're there yet, but that's gonna want

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Speaker 3: to be able to do when we go to Kansas

489
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Speaker 3: City and Kansas City says, you know CJ's hot, We're

490
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Speaker 3: gonna take away CJ. Stroud, We're gonna double Nico Collins.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna do this Okay, how did the Texans win

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Speaker 3: that game? How do they go about winning it? And

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Speaker 3: the offense says, fine, we'll just run the ball right

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Speaker 3: down your throat. Yeah, that's what I want to get

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Speaker 3: this offense too. I want to get it to a

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Speaker 3: point where it isn't just CJ putting the cape on.

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Speaker 3: It isn't CJ to Nico for ten for one pint

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Speaker 3: eighty and two touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: It is I'd like to have that sometimes.

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Speaker 3: But if that can't succeed because they're taking that away,

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Speaker 3: what else can you do? And the Eagles gave a

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Speaker 3: blueprint for how a team does that, and hopefully that's

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Speaker 3: where we're headed.

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Speaker 1: All right, some thoughts on Nick Carelly next up, plus

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Speaker 1: halftime show commercials, we'll continue super Bowl talk.

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Speaker 2: It's Texans Radio, all right.

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Speaker 1: Back to it here inaugural twenty twenty five edition of

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio. I know we did shows in the calendar,

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Speaker 1: you're twenty twenty five, but it's the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 1: I hate that with the NFL playing longer into February,

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Speaker 1: we're getting.

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Speaker 2: This twenty twenty four to twenty five seasons. No no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no no. Stick with the twenty twenty season.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it ends in March and then

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Speaker 1: you begin twenty twenty five. That's how it goes anyway, Johnny,

516
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the Super Bowl as it relates

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Speaker 1: to the Texans, and this is the way Demiko Ryans

518
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Speaker 1: wants to win. That swarm mentality. They did it against

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Speaker 1: the Chargers at home in the postseason. Obviously didn't go

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Speaker 1: well against the Chiefs the Eagles just demolishing the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But you were mentioning right before the break the offense

523
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Speaker 1: and having the tools to work with to be versatile

524
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Speaker 1: when they shut down one element of what you do

525
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Speaker 1: a big element. Do you have other elements that can

526
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Speaker 1: fill the gaps? But what about Nick Keley now coordinating

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Speaker 1: this offense. In fact, in the next segment, JB. Long,

528
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Speaker 1: the voice of the Rams, weighs in on Nick Keley

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Speaker 1: was a Ram assistant. He was a Patriot assistant before that.

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Speaker 1: Nick Kelly interesting guy, highly regarded. You know, when I

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Speaker 1: read and heard that he turned down a lucrative offering

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Speaker 1: to go to New England, I thought, what a smart guy.

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Speaker 1: He saw that coming. Yep, he saw that coming, that

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Speaker 1: that thing was gonna melt down in about a year

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Speaker 1: or or maybe he didn't think a year, but he

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Speaker 1: saw it wasn't going to work because that was a

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Speaker 1: ton of money he was offered and he waits for

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Speaker 1: the right op. I thought that was tremendous in itself.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not the only thing. Clearly, he's got to

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Speaker 1: do a good job. But he's coached tight ends. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about tight ends. You know the blocking, you know

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Speaker 1: the rap tree, you know all of it. And he's

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Speaker 1: been in two different systems. I like that too. I

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Speaker 1: like the versatility that he brings to the table. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got to put it all together with this franchise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And like I said last week when we did

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Speaker 3: our podcast, it is now connecting with CJ. Kayley and

549
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Speaker 3: CJ connecting, making sure that they are on the same page.

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Speaker 3: And it was pretty awesome to watch the Eagles on

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Speaker 3: Sunday night and watch Kellen Moore, who had been with

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys for so long. He's then brought to Philly

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Speaker 3: after Brian Johnson, and you know, Brian was kind of

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Speaker 3: a what's the.

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Speaker 2: Word I'm looking for.

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Speaker 3: He's kind of the fall guy for everything that was

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Speaker 3: going on. But Kellen comes in and it looks like

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Speaker 3: now he's going to go to New Orleans Saints if

559
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Speaker 3: be the head coach, which is gonna be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 3: I like kellum Wore. I think he's gonna be do

561
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Speaker 3: a great job as head coach. But again, to have

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Speaker 3: the understanding like, this is the way we do things,

563
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Speaker 3: this is what we want to do. This is I

564
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Speaker 3: want you want to run the ball seventy percent of time,

565
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Speaker 3: throw thirty whatever, whatever your percentages are. This is the

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Speaker 3: way we are. This is what we want our identity

567
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Speaker 3: to be. But we can beat you other ways. And

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Speaker 3: I think to be able to do that, it's got

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Speaker 3: to start with those two Kailee and CJ. And then

570
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Speaker 3: making sure that they're on the same page. They know

571
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Speaker 3: exactly what each other wants to do, how they want

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Speaker 3: to go about doing it, meeting each other in the

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Speaker 3: middle for this relationship. And then CJ's got to take

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Speaker 3: this offense. And then he's the one that disseminates everything,

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Speaker 3: like he's the leader at the line of scrimmage, changing plays,

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Speaker 3: changing protection, what he sees six year smart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the time when a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Should be able to do all of that questions I

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Speaker 1: have does Kelly change the terminology? Might change what they do,

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Speaker 1: but does much of the terminology remain the same. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we know the answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine he keeps most of it, but they

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Speaker 1: run different things within it. And I, like I said,

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Speaker 1: less east west maybe you know, as far as running

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Speaker 1: the football less outside zone whatever, I just see them

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Speaker 1: changing that up because it's not working the way you

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Speaker 1: want it to, or they do that and they do

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Speaker 1: it a whole lot better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we won't know it until we see it.

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Speaker 1: But one thing I don't like is quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: year three having to learn a whole new set of language.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a anology all of that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's enough crossover that there will be some

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Speaker 3: recognition of things that they've done in the past. It

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Speaker 3: might be called something different, but I do think there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be you know, there's gonna be a burning period

597
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out, you know, what's the what's the

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Speaker 3: best way, and what fits the best and you know,

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Speaker 3: making sure like I said that they are they are

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Speaker 3: on the same page. This is our philosophy, This is

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Speaker 3: how we go about things. These are our protections. Learn

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Speaker 3: all of them quarterback, because you're gonna have to. You're

603
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Speaker 3: the one disseminating all that information. You're handling all of that.

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Speaker 3: CJ's an incredibly bright football guy.

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Speaker 2: He's an incredibly bright guy, but his football i q

606
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Speaker 2: Is off the charts. Use that.

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Speaker 3: Make sure that that is used to the to the utmost.

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Speaker 3: Be flexible, and then go out and you know, find

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Speaker 3: the pieces that fit and whatever pieces you have, make

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Speaker 3: it fit for them. And if you have a play

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Speaker 3: that you block one way, and that's the way you've

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Speaker 3: been doing it for however years how many men every

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Speaker 3: years that Nikailey's been doing football, but you realize we

614
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Speaker 3: don't have anybody that can do it that way. Then

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Speaker 3: find a way, create a way, and you know, be

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Speaker 3: innovative to give your guy an answer for that particular

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Speaker 3: player scheme that you're going to be involved in. So

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Speaker 3: to me, I think a lot of it comes down

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Speaker 3: to you. And I go back listen that podcast Jordan

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Speaker 3: rodrig did. She didn't read Sean McVay, and one of

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Speaker 3: the things that McVeigh had talked about in that podcast

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Speaker 3: about how the evolution of the offense for him, he

623
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Speaker 3: went to LA and he thought he'd be an eleven

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Speaker 3: personnel guy, eleven personnel, one running back, one tight end.

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Speaker 2: That's what he thought. He was gonna be three wide

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Speaker 2: receivers on the field at all times.

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Speaker 3: And then when he realized when he got there, he

628
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Speaker 3: had Robert Woods and he had Cooper Cup and he's like,

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Speaker 3: these dudes block, and so he was like, h what

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Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be? I figured, he goes,

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Speaker 3: I kind of changed because I got there and realized

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Speaker 3: these two guys block a lot like tight ends. It's

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Speaker 3: almost like I'm an eleven and a half personnel, almost

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Speaker 3: twelve personnel with them. And he started kind of calling

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Speaker 3: the game like it was twelve personnel in the field. Wow,

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Speaker 3: because he had two receivers that could block as well

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Speaker 3: as they did, And so he went in there with

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Speaker 3: an idea of what he wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: Then he gets there and he realizes, Hm, I kinda

640
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Speaker 2: need to tweak and tweak and tweak and tweak. And

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Speaker 2: he kept doing that.

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Speaker 3: I think that is kind of the magic of McVeigh

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Speaker 3: in a sense that he's always tweaking, is that he's

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Speaker 3: always looking for something different, something new, use a lot

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Speaker 3: of motion. I think That's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: if he learns anything from McVeigh, I think that's one

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Speaker 3: of the things that he'll bring.

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Speaker 2: He'll bring to youse of motion.

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Speaker 3: We played the Rams here in what you was at

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Speaker 3: twenty one?

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Speaker 2: Was that here? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they beat the hell out of us that day.

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Speaker 3: I mean just beat the hell out of us. I

654
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: remember Robert Woods and Cooper Cup going to in motion

655
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: the entire game.

656
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: The entire game.

657
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: Confuses you, or at least he gives a quarterback heads

658
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: are they in man?

659
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: Are they what are they doing? It gives them reads.

660
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: The defense has to react yeah quickly. Sometimes there are

661
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: disguises get all blown up when you do that. So

662
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: I do think there will be motion used, and maybe

663
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more than we used it here.

664
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Speaker 2: Some quarterbacks don't like it.

665
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: They like to see kind of a static look and

666
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: kind of figure it out post snap. But you know,

667
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is one of those guys. He did not

668
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: like the motion. Matt Stafford uses all the time, and

669
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: he loves it. So I think that is one of

670
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: the things that they'll start. They'll start with. They'll start

671
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: There will be a lot of movement, there will be shifts,

672
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: there will be motion, and I think, you know, we'll

673
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: see how that goes.

674
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't work, maybe it's not the right thing.

675
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: But if Nick Keley is going to be a great

676
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, he's gonna see that in adjust Like, you

677
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: know what, when we run motion, we confuse ourselves more

678
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: than we do them. We're gonna limit that. We're gonna

679
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: get more comfortable being a little bit more static. Maybe

680
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: they man, this motion is really hurting them. Okay, we're

681
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: gonna do more of this. I think right off the bat,

682
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna see a lot more movement and motion in

683
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: the offense then we saw prior to So I think

684
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some things to look out for.

685
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: But I'm just really curious of how it.

686
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: Evolves in time from start of OTAs started training camp

687
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: four weeks into this season to the bye week. Out

688
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: of the bye week, how are things changing and evolving

689
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: to make sure the best version of the offense is

690
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: put on the field that particular day. We can't have

691
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: a Green Bay Packers performance anymore. We can't have a

692
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings.

693
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: When you have a game right there in the well.

694
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: The Vikings are different than Green Bay in that way.

695
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I understand what you're saying.

696
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like, you can't go there

697
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: and look like you're completely not prepared for what they're

698
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: gonna throw at you. Right well, you can't have two

699
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: linemen over here standing all alone, standing there looking at

700
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: each other, like who do we block because they're bringing

701
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: four or five guys from the other side and we

702
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: missed the protection call. You know that, Like those things

703
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: can't They can't happen anymore, can't. We can't go to

704
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: the Jets like we did in twenty three and then

705
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: our quarterback get the hell beat out of us. Like

706
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: those things, you know they're gonna happen maybe a half

707
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 3: maybe I can understand it, but it can't happen in

708
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: games plural offensively in twenty twenty five.

709
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have a lot to get to

710
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: this offseason. Obviously, you got back from the Senior what

711
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: a week and a half ago whatever. I want to

712
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: talk to you about that, but we've got days to

713
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: do that. Jonathan Alexander of the Chronicle will be with

714
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: us tomorrow, but before the moment slips away, because you know,

715
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is going to expire here as far

716
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: as that talk goes your favorite commercial, you give me yours.

717
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, my personal fave.

718
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: And this is a subjective thing for me, but I

719
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: loved seeing Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan.

720
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: I was going an act the scene. I thought that

721
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: was tremendous.

722
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: What a surprise that was Sydney Sweeney with the I'll

723
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: have what she's having line that because she's the it

724
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: girl of the moment, or maybe that's already ten minutes ago.

725
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I thought that was really cool

726
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: to see those two together doing that scene. But there

727
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: were many There were a lot of good ones. You know,

728
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: people say, oh, it's not as good as it used

729
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: to be. Listen, a lot of these were released in advance,

730
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Matt Damon and David Beckham.

731
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I sound it's good that. Though it was

732
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: a good one, there are a lot of entertaining ones.

733
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Speaker 2: Do you have one? Yes?

734
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Speaker 3: I do, and I will get in trouble in the

735
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: hair's household fill for this. And there's a reason I thought.

736
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: The the.

737
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: Women's flag football making flag football. I think it was

738
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: NFL commercial making flag football a school sport.

739
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: In fifty states, which is a huge initiative of the

740
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: Houston Texans, by the way, making tremendous progress here in Houston.

741
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Fans create that opportunity for girls in flag football.

742
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: But here's here's why I'm getting in trouble. It's a

743
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: fantastic commercial.

744
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: We're you in trouble because my daughter had a callback

745
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 3: audition for that. Oh but she got stuck here during

746
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: the storm. Oh no, she has stuck in Gabiston for

747
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: the storm she had.

748
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: She couldn't get out. That's too bad.

749
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she would have been one of the cheerleaders

750
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: in that in that commercial. So it's a tremendous commercial,

751
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: Like I mean, really really good.

752
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: You know the brad If you haven't seen it, it's really

753
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: really good. If you've seen it, you know.

754
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: And I just think I think flag football as a sport, men's, women's, whatever.

755
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's fantastic sport. I love it,

756
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: and I love the fact that they've been playing in

757
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: Florida High School for a while, a long while, and

758
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: it's a great, great sport and opportunity.

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00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: So I was all about that commercial. That was my

760
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: favorite one.

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00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: Okay, i'd not seen the Beckham Matt Damon one.

762
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. What about halftime show? Thoughts. I

763
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: liked it. Kendrick Lamar, alright, liked it. I'm gonna give

764
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: you mine first. I liked it.

765
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: So I'm a musician, so I look for musicianship. Now

766
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a Super Bowl

767
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: halftime show. We overreact to these things. And I know

768
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar, Pulitzer winner, brilliant artists when it comes to symbolism,

769
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: all that he's trying to convey. I get all that.

770
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I heard Ryan Clark break it down this morning on

771
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: one of the hot take shows on the ESPN, and

772
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: I thought they shows that much got into it. It was

773
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: like Shakespeare, that much was going on on the field there.

774
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: But I'll say this just entertain me with good songs. Look,

775
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: Travis Scott Drake, their stuff has way more melody than this,

776
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: and I'm just talking pure music melody. It's not there

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00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: in what I saw yesterday except when how do you

778
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: pronounce her name again? Sis so Sizza? I thought that

779
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: was that was nice? Is that Kendrick Lamar material she

780
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: was singing or is that her material? I think because

781
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: that look, I know that was more like a song

782
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Mark and the rest is Listen, I've heard rap that

783
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: has much more musical complexity to it than that the

784
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: lyrics for Days might be incredibly brilliant. I don't want

785
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: to see Alan Ginsburg do the halftime show or Sylvia Plath.

786
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: He might be a brilliant poet. I want to see

787
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: some music anyway, that's my thought. He is, he's a

788
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: brilliant lyricist. I mean, and they're they're good, They're really good.

789
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: And sometimes I even't I even't missed him. But when

790
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: he when he did not like us, oh man, that

791
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: was that there's so much there's so much in there

792
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that is just a complete You've seen that game on

793
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: on Instagram where the people are the tortillas and have

794
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: water and you're trying to hit him with the tortilla

795
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: and knock the water out. There were so many of

796
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: those moments of just like one particular person that he

797
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: was going after, and I was like, I wonderful because

798
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: all week long, like, yeah, I was like, is he

799
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna do not like us?

800
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 3: Is he gonna is he gonna do not like us?

801
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: And then when Samuel Jackson Samuel Jackson shown up, I was.

802
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: Like, oh, this is kind of interesting.

803
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: And then I was like at one point he's singing

804
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: this song and I look up and I'm like, I

805
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 3: think that's Serena because I remember at the Australian Open

806
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: that she had krip walked during their Australian Open on

807
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: time and everybody was like, oh, what was that?

808
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: And so when I saw.

809
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: Her do that, and then people later are like, yeah,

810
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: apparently Sizza and Serena are both ex's of Drake, and

811
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: I thought, okay, so yeah, so I mean it it

812
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: it basically, I mean it kind of became what you know,

813
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: Kendrick got hot this summer with was He's gonna He's

814
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: gonna smash Drake can He just sang a song like

815
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: not like us that that everybody seemingly Then there's so

816
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: many videos I saw afterwards that people like going crazy

817
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: when he did it. So, I don't know. I I

818
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: like Kendrick. I like his lyrics. I think his lyrics

819
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: are really really good. He's got a lot of symbolism.

820
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff that, like you said, it's

821
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: like a Shakespeare novel. There are a lot of things

822
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: you miss until you have somebody explained, Oh that's.

823
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: What that meant.

824
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: Okay, should it be that complicated for the average viewer.

825
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: But I guess it doesn't matter. Like again, I'm just overreacting.

826
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people where that that show

827
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: wasn't for them.

828
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: Nothing is ever going to compare to Prince in the

829
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: Rain in Miami, Like nothing will ever compare to me.

830
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 2: Because that was that was so so good.

831
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: I think with the halftime show, it's just as simple

832
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: as there are some people that are gonna absolutely love it,

833
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: They're going to be some people that, you know, that

834
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: isn't for me. Some people afterwards like, well, dude, a

835
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: country artist Morgan Wallen or whatever, and I'm like, well

836
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: that one that just would be for me.

837
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people wouldn't like That's fine, a lot

838
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: of people would not like that variety. You know, there'll

839
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: be people that love it, but you need another wardrobe malfunction. No,

840
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: we don't, because because what that did. You know, they

841
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: got Paul McCartney and it just got a little too

842
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: crazy like Rolling Stones, although that was twenty years ago

843
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: when they're still going, so who knows. Anyway, coming up,

844
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: let's talk more about Nick Kelly. Let's hear from somebody

845
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: who worked around him, JB. Long, Voice of the Rams

846
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: and talking about those Rams because the Texans play them

847
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: next year and they were here for practice last summer.

848
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Two franchises in opposite conferences. More connected than you think.

849
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: It's Texans All Access, all right. Final segment of the

850
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: program tonight is a good one.

851
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: JB.

852
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: Long voice of the La Rams since they moved back

853
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles, started out of the Coliseum, of course,

854
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: moved into Sofi. The Rams were here last August. That

855
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: means Nick Kelly was here at NRG Park last August

856
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: as the tight ends coach of the Rams and now

857
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: he's the Texans offensive coordinators. So we wanted to talk

858
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: about that with Nick, and also the big Cooper Cup

859
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: story and a bunch of other stuff. And we started

860
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: the conversation reminiscing about our visit in the August sun

861
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: at Texans' training camp last year.

862
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just finished drying off from all that heat

863
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 4: and humidity back in August. That was a great visit.

864
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: It was good to catch up with you. It is remarkable,

865
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Speaker 4: isn't it, The individual journeys that coaches and teams go on.

866
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: And I'm sure a lot of what we thought that day,

867
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Speaker 4: if we had written it down, we'd go back and

868
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: look at our notebooks now and laugh at how silly

869
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Speaker 4: it was, and all the contributors we thought would play

870
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Speaker 4: a leading role that didn't, and all the names we

871
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: had not yet fixated on who did. So that's what

872
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: I love about this that each new year is a

873
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: new chapter, and I know you're beginning one yourself in

874
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 4: Houston with the Texans.

875
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Nick Kelly, because that's the reason

876
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: for the call. Though I do want to weigh in,

877
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: or want you to weigh in on some RAMS type

878
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: stuff because the Texans and Rams play each other next

879
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: year and there's some family ties here between the two organizations.

880
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: But tell me about Kelly. What you know.

881
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I know he's a position coach, so it's not like

882
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: he's that front facing But even around him for a

883
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: few years, what do you think.

884
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't have a personal relationship with him,

885
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: but I do know how widely and well regarded he is,

886
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 4: not just within our organization but across the National Football League.

887
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've talked about the reports that he had

888
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: offered elsewhere both last offseason and again this year. So

889
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: the fact that he was able to be so selective

890
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: at this juncture in his career. I think speaks to

891
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: his references, his brain power, what he's going to bring

892
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: to the Texans organization. You know, from the LA lens,

893
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: I can say this, Sean McVay does not hand off

894
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: the tight end position lightly. It's kind of how he

895
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: came up through the ranks in Washington and earned his credentials.

896
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is given the system.

897
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: That they run.

898
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 4: You know how critical the tight end position is run

899
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: in pass and making the whole thing go, especially for

900
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: an operation like the RAMS. But through most of Shawn's

901
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: tenure have existed almost completely in eleven personnel, right, So

902
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: you're trusting that one tight end to do so much

903
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: and the position coach there is the liaison. He's the

904
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 4: connective tissue between maring run and paths together, which has

905
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: been the secret sauce to Sean mcvay's best offenses throughout

906
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: his eight years.

907
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: How would you characterize the evolution of the RAMS offense.

908
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: I know it's changed a little bit over the years, JB.

909
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah?

910
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: I think it is at once identity driven and yet

911
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: it can be shape shifting and oftentimes some of mcveigh's

912
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: best work and best offenses have been the creation of

913
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: necessity when you think about the brain drain that his offices,

914
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: his coaching staff has experienced over the years because of

915
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: his success and the team's success, and then also the

916
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: success of the branches that have come off of that tree,

917
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: whether it's Lafleur in Green Bay, Taylor in Cincinnati, Raheem

918
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: Morris now in Atlanta, so many other places. Your coaching

919
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: tree is going to be right before the picking. And

920
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: so what happens is your playbook and your philosophies, both

921
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: schematic and leadership and organizational also spread throughout the NFL,

922
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 4: and teams spend their entire offseason either trying to attach

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 4: to what you have or to combat what you've done

924
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: to beat them. And so I think people like Kaylee

925
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: has come in and given McVeigh fresh food for thought,

926
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: new ideas, new perspective, and that's pushed him to try

927
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: and stay kind of one step ahead. It's not possible

928
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: because there's only so many things you can do in

929
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 4: this sport of football. There's nothing new under the sun.

930
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: But I do think it's driven McVeigh and the Rams

931
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: offensively to try and find that next iteration as more

932
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 4: and more of what they've done to find success offensively

933
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: has permeated the league, and then similarly, more and more

934
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: teams defensively have tried to find the antidote to that

935
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: because of the offenses that they're trying to solve.

936
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Jbi Long, Voice of the Rams, joining us, All right,

937
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: tell me, did the Cooper Cup story take Luca off

938
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: the front page so to speak? I would doubt it,

939
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: but it's a big story. What are your thoughts on that.

940
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: I know it's kind of a weird situation, but where

941
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: are they going from here or where do you think

942
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: they want to go offensively?

943
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: This is a die hard Lakers city, as you know,

944
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: and that was a tectonic shift in the landscape. So

945
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: the Cooper thing is obviously it's a shock to the system,

946
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: right because he is very much the modern era of

947
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: the Rams. He's one of Sean mcvay's first picks. He

948
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: was a Super Bowl MVP and the Triple Crown winner.

949
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: His ability run and pass, you know, set the offense

950
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 4: in motion from that first training camp when they were

951
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: not necessarily trying to live in three receiver sets, but

952
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 4: then when they found out that they had this incredibly

953
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: cerebral and gifted late draft pick that could make it

954
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: all go. They leaned into that identity and they've been

955
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup's offense in so Men anyways. Ever since that

956
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: being said, it's not surprising because there were reports coming

957
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: up on the trade deadline that he might have been,

958
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: you know, on the block, and that they were realizing

959
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: that father time is coming from us all and he's

960
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: probably on the wrong side of thirty and his contract

961
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: is getting pretty expensive. So all those dynamics are what

962
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 4: we live through every single offseason in this sport. It's

963
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: not our favorite thing to talk about or to live through.

964
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: Believe me, it breaks my heart to think that I've

965
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 4: seen Cooper Cup catch his last pass as a ram

966
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: especially on the heels of having already seen Robert Woods

967
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 4: go and having seen Jalen Ramsey go and having seen

968
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: Aaron Donald retire. You know, I've not been along around

969
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: this as long as you have, Mark, But I'm starting

970
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 4: to live through the reality that I'm not going to

971
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: see every snap of these guys' careers in Los Angeles,

972
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: and that still takes them getting used to spoiled as

973
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 4: we've been here in LA.

974
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: There's some stuff with JB Long extended visit is on

975
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: the Texans All Access podcast that you can find wherever

976
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. We posted that one last week,

977
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: but this is our first radio show and podcast of

978
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five off season. Johnny and I will

979
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: be at the Combine in a couple of weeks. We'll

980
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: set all that up for you. Jonathan Alexander from the

981
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Chronicle on the show tomorrow. I want to thank you

982
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: all for tuning in tonight. Have a great evening, Go Texans.