1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Markomas Show, 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: where we're always talking about the way the world is changing. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Of course it is, and we look at it through 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And today I 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: want to talk about, well, like we have talked about 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: all the time, all three we're talking about the convergence 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: of those three things. And today we want to talk 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: about what the heck is going on with all the 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: wars going on in the world, but more specifically, how 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the politics is using something like war and technology to 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: push their own agenda on us, using war to get 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: more power and censor us even more. War equals censorship. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: That's what we're going to talk about today. And I 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: want to go through this historical lens to show you 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: for the last one hundred years, concrete and specific examples 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: of exactly what's happening. We're going to look at exactly 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world today, so you can 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: understand what's going on, you can understand the seriousness of 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, you can understand what you need to 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: do to protect yourself as all this unwrapped. All right, 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: so we got a lot to cover in this show. 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss this. We're gonna go 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: through it pretty quickly. I want to talk about it fast. 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: But this is a big topic. As a matter of fact, 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: it's not just a big topic. It is the most 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: important topic. I can't think of a more important topic, 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: a more important issue that we should be focusing on 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: right now. This is a big, big deal because this 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: changes the entire direction and the course of the world, 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: not just for us, but for our future generations. I'm 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: constantly reminded of the quote by Ronald Reagan that says 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: that freedom is never more than one generation away from 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: being lost. It wasn't passed to us in the blood line. Instead, 34 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: it was pasted. It must be fought for and defended 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: by every single generation. And so every single generation is 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: trying to take it away, and every single generation has 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: to stand up and fight for it. And the only 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: way that you'll be able to do that is by 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: having the context of what's going on. More importantly, the history, 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Right those who don't understand history are bound to repeat it. 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: The history of what's going on and the specific examples 42 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: of what they're doing today. So we understand the attack factors, 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: and we understand what we need to do about it. 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: So we're going to cover this. It's a very important topic. 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully you tune into for the whole thing. If you 46 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: don't have time to listen to this whole thing, check 47 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: it out on the podcast. Just search the Mark Mas 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: Show and your favorite podcast player, or go to YouTube 49 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: and search Market Disruptors and you can watch the whole 50 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: thing there. All right, So we're going to talk about, 51 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: like I said, wars conflicts, how they've been used to 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: do these things, and we'll look through history. So first, 53 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: let's go back into history. You know, if you listen 54 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: to me, if you've been listening for any mere period 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: of time, you know that I love history because it 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: really gives us, in my opinion, sort of the best 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: look into where we're going. What what do you mean 58 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: by that? Well, we all have heard the proverbial. You know, 59 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: if you put your hand on a hot stove and 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: you burn yourself, you don't do that again. Why Because 61 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: history tells me that if I put my hand on 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: a hot stove, I'll burn myself. Right, So that's what 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: history tells us. So history shows when these things happened, 64 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: this was the results. So now we can look at 65 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: this with context of today, going, Well, if these things happen, 66 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: then the result will probably be the same. If I 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: put my hand back on the hot stove, I'll probably 68 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: burn my hand again. Now, the temperature could be a 69 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: little bit different. I could have put my hand on 70 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: at different times, maybe a little bit of a different 71 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: location in my hand, So maybe the outcome is a 72 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: little bit different. But more or less it's about the 73 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: same thing. So let's go back into history, all the 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: way back to about one hundred a little over one 75 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: hundred years ago. We're going back to World War One. 76 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Now I want to go back to World War One. 77 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: I want to start here because what I'm going to 78 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: tell you a little bit later, You're going to be thinking, oh, 79 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: but this could never happen in America. This could never 80 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: happen in the Land of the Free. This could never 81 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: happen in a country that has a constitution. But it has, 82 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: and it will and it is. So let's take a look. 83 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: If we go back to World War One. In nineteen eighteen, 84 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: there was an act put forth in the United States 85 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: called the Sedition Act. Now, this was, like I said, 86 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: during World War One, so you have to sort of 87 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: understand the context of what this was. But in nineteen eighteen, 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: the Sedition Act basically gave Congress and the government the 89 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: power to make it a crime to utter, print, write, 90 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: or publish anything that was against the government. Anything. And 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: when I say anything, it was very very vague. So 92 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: anything that was disloyal, profane, scurulous, abusive, anything about that 93 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: that was written in regards to the US government, the military, 94 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: or the war effort. So today you hear me talking 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: about the war. You know, obviously got the Joe Rogan's 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: and Jordan Peterson's and all of that talk, or a 97 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of that talk would be a crime under this 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Sedition Act. Its abusive language, it's undermining the military, the 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: war effort. Right, it could be arbitrarily applied that way. 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Now it says that fearing you know, at the time 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: the government was fearing anti war speeches. Why were they 102 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: fearing anti war speeches? Why did they want to go 103 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: to war so bad? Now, these are separate questions for 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a separate time. I did a show on my main 105 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Mark Moss, talking about how JP Morgan has 106 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: been behind these wars since World War One, and how 107 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: because JP Morgan had loaned so much money to England 108 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: and France to fight Germany in World War One, and 109 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: not just loan them money, but then got the money 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: back to supply them with goods and services. JP Morgan 111 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: was profiting so much and had extended so many loans 112 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: that if England and France lost the war, how would 113 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: JP Morgan get paid back? And they were losing the war. 114 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: The only way that they could win the war if 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: the United States got involved, but nobody in the United 116 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: States wanted to get involved. Why would they It's a 117 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: war over the whole ocean away. What do we care 118 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: about that, it's a border dispute. Let them do their 119 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: thing right. Well, that doesn't work good for JP Morgan, 120 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: who would lose all that money. So he had to 121 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: figure out a way to get the United States into 122 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: the war. But the US didn't want to get into war. 123 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: So he did a couple of things. One, he bought 124 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: most of the media in the United States to control 125 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: the narrative. Then they did things with the merchant ships. 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna go through the whole history of this, 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: but they started to use the media to get people 128 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: ramped up into the war. The merchant ships that were 129 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: going across the seas delivering the goods that JP Morgan 130 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: was sitting back over there, got attacked. There's a lot 131 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: of details around that, and Americans died, and that was 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: enough to then get the US to jump into the war. 133 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: At least President Woodrow Wilson, through his hat in the ring, 134 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: said yes, we'll go. But a lot of people in 135 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: Americas still didn't want the war. Why would we want 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: the war? Why would we want people to die? Why 137 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: would we want Americans die? Why should Americans be involved 138 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: in that war? And so JP Morgan, owning the media, 139 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: who was pushing that narrative, and the government wanted to 140 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: block any dissenting voices to that. So, fearing this anti 141 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: war speeches, fearing anti war pamphlets, fearing that they would 142 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: under the war effort, they passed two laws, the Espionage 143 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventeen and the Sedition Act of nineteen eighteen, 144 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: that both criminalized any disloyal, profane serials, or abusive language 145 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: about the US government. The Espionage Act of nineteen seventeen 146 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: was passed just two months after America entered the First 147 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: World War, and it was primarily intended for Congress to 148 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: combat actual espionage, but federal prosecutors and judges used it 149 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: for a whole lot of other things, like targeted individuals 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: who quote wilfully cause or attempt to cause insubordination or disloyalty. 151 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: So if you said anything that was like, hey, should 152 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: we really be in this war? Looks like the US 153 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: is just trying to protect their own interests of these 154 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: oligarchs like JP Morgan, why should we be there? Well, 155 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: that could be you could be accused of causing insubordination 156 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: or disloyalty. Now, as the war World one and more 157 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: American soldiers died, Congress had to double down on disloyal speech. 158 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Of course, because as Americans are dying, more people are 159 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: speaking out like why are we over there? Why does 160 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: this make sense? And so Congress had to double down 161 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: because they have to control the narrative. And so they 162 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: passed the Sedition Act of nineteen eighteen eighteen, which amended 163 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: and expanded on the Espionage Act to target any speech 164 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: that could be interpretated as criticizing the war effort. Now, 165 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court accepted this broad interpretation of both the 166 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: Espionage Act and the Sedition Act in a series of cases, 167 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and one of those is this main instance that we 168 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: use today. You've probably heard of it before, which is 169 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: does free speech count if it causes a clear and 170 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: present danger. You've heard about this, and that is when 171 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: they use this illustration. Is what kind of speech met 172 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: this clear and present danger test? Well, Judge Holmes. Justice 173 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Holmes gave this now famous hypothetical example, saying, quote, the 174 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a 175 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: a panic. He wrote, So if you say that, if 177 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: you say there's a fire in a crowd of theater, 178 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: which then cause people to panic, run out for the xs, 179 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: people get trampled, things like that, then that doesn't cover 180 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: free speech because you caused someone to get hurt. If 181 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: you just tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show, 182 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about war and censorship. I'll be back with 183 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: more in a minute. Don't go away, I'll be back, 184 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: all right, Welcome back. If you just tune in, you're 185 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Maas Show, we're talking about war 186 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: being used to create censorship, war taking away freedoms, but 187 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: specifically censoring us now censoring our speech, yes, and censoring 188 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: even more. We're gonna talk about that in a minute, 189 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: but I was kind of laying the ground. How over 190 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: one hundred years ago in the United States they use 191 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: this to basically stop any type of talk, any type 192 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: of speech, any type of communication that would undermine the war. 193 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: All right, this is in America, but we've seen that 194 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: many times other places. Nineteen eleven the Official Secrets Act 195 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom was also so basically for the 196 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: same thing. In nineteen fifty seven, there was the Anti 197 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: Subversion Act in the Philippines. Prohibits the advocacy, incitement, or 198 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: support of rebellion or insurrection against the government. So basically, again, 199 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: if you criticize the government during the time of war. 200 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,239 Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty we saw the Internal Security Act in Singapore 201 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: which would allow the government to detain people for up 202 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: to two years if they're suspected of being a threat 203 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: to national security if they potentially said something wrong. We 204 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: saw twenty seventeen in China the State Security Law prohibits 205 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: the incitement of subversion of state power. So if you 206 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: say anything wrong about the government that could cause someone 207 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: to doubt it, that's wrong. We saw in Russia the 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Espionage Act prohibits the collection transmission or storage of state secrets. 209 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: But it's also been used to prosecute journalists, activists, scientists, 210 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: anyone who's trying to get information out the government doesn't want. 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: That's basically what we've seen. Now, let's bring this back 212 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: to more current times, because we have something very press 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: right now. When all else fails, take it a war. 214 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: That's what my friend Gerald Solente says, And that's sort 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: of where we're at right now. Of course, we have 216 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: multiple wars breaking out in the world. And if we 217 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: just stop and look at what's going on in the 218 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: Russia Ukraine War, for example, why the heck are one? 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: What the heck is going on over there? Two? Why 220 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: do people all around the world care? Three? Why do 221 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: we as Americans care? And you might care about the 222 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Russia Ukraine War. You might care that we should do more, 223 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: or you should care. You might care that we get 224 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: out of it. But either way, that decision whether you 225 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: think we should do more to support Ukraine or we 226 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: should get out whether regardless of what your position is, 227 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: you're forming that based off of information you've been provided, 228 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: information you've received, information you've washed or read right, But 229 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: are you getting the right information see that's what the 230 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: government wants to make sure you're only getting one side 231 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: of the information. And that's the problem. It goes to 232 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: sort of this whole pandemic and the vaccine and all 233 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: this and like inform consent. How can you have informed 234 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: consent when you don't know the whole picture, when you 235 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: don't know both sides. And so me being a freedom maximist, 236 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: being a free speech maximist, I'm going to pound the 237 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: table on that we need to know both sides. It's 238 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: the only way we can make informed decisions. Now, back 239 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: to the Ukraine situation we saw in September of twenty 240 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: twenty and December of twenty twenty. In Ukraine, supposely we're 241 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: fighting for democracy. It's not true. Ukraine is the farthest 242 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: from a democracy. As a matter of fact, theyre pretty 243 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: much a dictator and even before the war they were 244 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: ranked as one of the most corrup nations in the world. 245 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty we saw Parliament passed the Law 246 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: on Intelligence and the Law on Electronic Communication, which allow 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: the government, under certain conditions like war, to restrict access 248 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: to the Internet in specific areas. It gives the state 249 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: increased access to tele telecommunsians data and facilitate surveillance and 250 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: arbitrary interception of communication. So under certain times like war, 251 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: they can basically just say you can't get the data, 252 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: so you can only get info from us. Whatever we 253 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: tell you. The truth is, we're the arbitr truth. Sort 254 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: of like when Hasinda Harden from New Zealand said that 255 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: don't do your own research. Don't do your research, the 256 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: government will be your source of truth. This is what 257 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: they're sort of saying. We've seen the Ukrainian officials, who 258 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: tightly controlled press access to the front lines, responded by 259 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: revoking the journalists press credentials. So we don't let's just 260 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: not let the press go get the story, because we 261 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: don't want them to tell the world what's going on. 262 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: Ukrainian government intensified its efforts to control the narrative of 263 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: the war by tightening journalists access to the conflict. Things 264 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: started getting worse from there. They tried to place more 265 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: control in the journalists. Katerina Sergastova, editor in chief of 266 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Zaborona Media, which is a Ukrainian publication, told the Intercept quote, 267 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: it's really hard to make reports from Kirsen, for example, 268 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: Ukrainian authorities have threatened, revoked, or denied press credentials of 269 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: journalists working for half a dozen Ukrainian and foreign news 270 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: outlets because of their coverage, because they have to control 271 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: the narrative. Luke Mogelson, a contributing writer for The New Yorker, 272 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: told the Intercept, quote, I've covered four Wars. I've never 273 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: seen such a chasm between the drama and intensity and 274 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: historic import of the reality of the conflict on the 275 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: one hand, and the superficiality and the meagerness of its 276 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: documentation by the press on the other. So what he's saying, 277 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: he's never after four wars. He's never seen the difference 278 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: between how important it is and how meager the documentation 279 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: of it is. At the same time, he's done four wars, 280 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: he said, quote, it's wild how little of what's happening 281 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: is being chronicled. And the main reason, though not the 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: only one, is that the Ukrainian government has made it 283 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: virtually impossible for journalists to do real frontline reporting. Now 284 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: that's in Ukraine. We can go on and on and 285 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: on and on, and I can keep digging through the facts. 286 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to bore you. Zelensky signed legislation giving 287 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: the government vast powers over the media. The European Federation 288 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: of Journalists has called an early draft of the bill 289 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: quote worthy of the worst authoritarian regimes. Now again, that's 290 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. I'm sure Russia's doing the same thing. Russia's 291 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: also trying to control their narrative. Of course they are. 292 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: Every nation is going to do the same thing. Now 293 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: we have this situation going on in Israel and Palestine 294 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: and we're seeing sort of the same thing happening over there. 295 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: Lucid Minister formulates emergency regulations to imprisoned citizens who harm 296 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: national morale. So new bill. So now the Communications Minister 297 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Karl is promoting regulations that would allow him to direct 298 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: police to arrest civilians, remove them from their home, seize 299 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: their property if he believes, if they believe they've spread 300 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: information that could harm national morale or served as the 301 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: basis for enemy propaganda. So again, if you're like, hey, 302 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if we should be going over there 303 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: and killing babies, that might not be the best thing. Well, 304 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: they could say that harms national morale when they're trying 305 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: to get everyone rapped up to go to war, and 306 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: they could take you from your home, they could take 307 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: your property. And so these laws are very broad. They're 308 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: very they're very broad intentionally, so they can be spread 309 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: and used anyway they want. In this, they're saying that 310 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: if you undermine morale by saying like, I don't know 311 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: if we should go. For example, now, when we think 312 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: about this again, you've probably heard that there's three sides 313 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: the truth. There's my side to your side, and then 314 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: there's something in the middle. If you have to think 315 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: about this, they say, history is written by the victors, 316 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and so like, the side that wins the war sort 317 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: of tells you the story about how that war worked 318 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: out from their lens, but of course the other side 319 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: probably has a completely different story. And what we see 320 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: is over and over and over is the government needs 321 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: to and I don't want to say the word need to. 322 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: They need to control then narrative if they want to 323 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: hold on to their grip of power, which of course 324 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: they do. Of course they want to hold onto the 325 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: grip of power, so they have to control the narrative. 326 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: Now I might ask, or you might ask, well, why 327 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: do they have to control the narrative? Why couldn't they 328 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: just allow the truth to prevail. Well, if we leave, 329 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: if we live in a free world, a free market world, 330 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: a choice of a world of free choice where you 331 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: and I have informed consent and can make our own decisions, 332 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: then of course that's what we'd want. But that wouldn't 333 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: work for the leaders who are trying to hang on 334 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: to their power. Of course, it's not going to work 335 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: for them. Now, if you just tune in, you're listening 336 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: to the Markmas Show, we're talking about how war is 337 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: being used to actually take away freedom, not give it 338 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: to us, and how that tool for that is censorship. 339 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: And we're talking about specific examples of how this is 340 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: happening right now. We went to the historical lens, what's 341 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: happening right now? And I'm going to take a very 342 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: quick break, but when I come back, I'm going to 343 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: talk about where this is going, what we're already seeing happening. 344 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about speci sacific examples of the 345 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: government spreading the misinformation and what we can do about it. 346 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: Don't go away, I'll be here back, all right, Welcome back. 347 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: If you just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 348 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Mass Show. We're talking about how war equals censorship, how 349 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: war is being used by the government to take away 350 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: freedoms and input enact new policies to give themselves more power, 351 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: limit our freedoms, and ultimately censorship so they can control 352 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: the narrative. Now a couple examples of this in real 353 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: time is what's going on right now with again we're 354 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: talking about the we talked about the rush of Ukraine 355 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about more what's happening in the 356 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Middle East. And a perfect example of this is about 357 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: a week ago, everybody heard that Israel had bombed a hospital. 358 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: Israel bombed the hospital in Gaza or in Palestine and 359 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: killed a bunch of people, and the media was in 360 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: a roar over this, right and mainstream media was spreading 361 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: this everywhere, and it turned out to be false information. 362 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Mainstream media reported that Israel baumb this hospital killed five 363 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: hundred civilians and based and based on that information they 364 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: received from the the Hamas led Gazan health ministry. Now, 365 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: the BBC produced a lot of this hundreds of fear 366 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: dead and injured in Israel airstrike in Gaza. The Israel 367 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: military have said that they're investigating this, you know. So 368 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: the BBC was one of the what was one of 369 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: the instigators of this. Now it came out that that 370 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: actually wasn't true, So mainstream media led this misinformation campaign. 371 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: Later it came out that that actually wasn't true, but 372 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: none of them really retracted or apologized. Now what we're 373 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: seeing though, is that they don't want you clamp down 374 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: on mainstream media because mainstream media is their mouthpiece. What 375 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: they want to do is they want to clamp down 376 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: on alternative news sources, and one being like X or 377 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Twitter right formerly known as Twitter. And what we're seeing 378 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: on X is that the crowd source in information was 379 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: able to get to the truth much faster. See, truth 380 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: is always found through open, honest dialogue. So instead of 381 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: looking at the BBC as the arbitrar of truth or 382 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: New York Times, we had the power of the crowd, 383 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: and X users were able to point out very quickly 384 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: that the timestamp was inconsistent with the reported time of 385 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: the bombing, and so all of a sudden they started 386 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: to bring up questions. And so we could see that 387 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: while the mainstream media rushed to judgment on the story, 388 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: many others did too. We could see that they were 389 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: pushing this minsinformation. What we could see is that the 390 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: crowd source information was able to find the truth much faster. 391 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: Even while they're accusing Elon Musk, they're accusing Twitter and 392 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: x as spreading or helping to spread misinformation, what we 393 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: can see is that they're actually making it much better 394 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: because again, the truth is found through open, honest dialogue, 395 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: and that's what we're seeing happening with Twitter. But of 396 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: course they don't like that because that's where they can't 397 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: control the narrative. We saw that they were arguing that 398 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: again this was misinformation that was being spread. But X 399 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: actually has something on there called community Notes, and we 400 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: can see time and time again where community notes fact 401 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: checking is doing a much better job of safeguarding information 402 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: than any human moderations. They've been able to do much 403 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: better than what we've seen mainstream med to be able 404 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: to do as well. And so this is a big shift. 405 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: But we have to understand that this war is not 406 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: about finding the truth. The war is about pushing a 407 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: specific narrative, or actually, I shouldn't even say the war, 408 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: I mean just the government overall is not about finding 409 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: the truth. It's not about supplying us with the truth. 410 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: It's about pushing a narrative. It's about controlling the narrative, 411 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: and that's why they need to continue to censor over 412 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: and over and over again. I gave a bunch of 413 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: examples of how this happened. We've seen it happened over 414 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: and over again. Unfortunately, it's nothing new. They use the 415 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: psychology of fear to get more power, right was it. 416 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't know the quote's been misattributed. We don't know 417 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: it's Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin, but saying that those 418 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: who are willing to trade safety for freedom deserved neither right, 419 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: and so they always are using fear in order to 420 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: get us to that point. But we have to understand 421 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: what they're doing and what comes next. Now. Another good 422 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: example of this that is coming to a head right now, 423 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, is we saw through the 424 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: Twitter files after Elon Musk took over Twitter, he released 425 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: these Twitter files that showed all this government coercion that 426 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: was being used to track and censor and push stories 427 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: that they wanted to do, and he released that information. 428 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: Of course, when that happened, we saw some states file 429 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: lawsuit and got an injunction against the Biden administration saying hey, 430 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: you can no longer do this, and the Biden administration 431 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: has appealed that, what do you mean we can We 432 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: can't coerce privately own social media platforms to do what 433 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: we want? What do you mean we can't do that? 434 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: So they're appealing that, and that's going to the Supreme Court. 435 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: So we're going to see exactly what the Supreme Court 436 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: has to say about that, and I'll definitely keep you 437 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: up to date on that. It's going to be very, 438 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: very interesting. But this is a big deal. It's a 439 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: big deal for the future because as these laws are 440 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: put into place, as these freedoms are taken away, they're 441 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: not given back. I see a lot of people. I 442 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: was just in Europe at speaking at the bigoin conference 443 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: in Amsterdam, and I try to talk to as many 444 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: people as I can while i'm there and get different viewpoints. 445 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: My wife thinks I'm crazy, but like every time we're 446 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: in an uber or a cab, I'm talking to the 447 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: cab driver about things that they think. So, for example, 448 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: like what do you I'm in the Netherlands, so like, 449 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: what do you think about the farmers in the Netherlands, 450 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: What do you think about the situation where they're trying 451 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: to take the farmer's land, and I ask them all 452 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: this question these things that I don't really know. I 453 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: want to know more about what's happening in the Netherlands 454 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: or what's happening in Europe. And I ask them these things, 455 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: and what I saw and what I see overall, unfortunately, 456 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: is this big divide and this chasm, if you will, 457 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: of the older population that's sort of worried about these 458 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: types of things and the younger generations doesn't seem to care. 459 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: The older generation sees how the world's changing and they're 460 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: worried about losing their freedoms, and the younger generation doesn't care. 461 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: The older generation doesn't want the farmers to lose their land, 462 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the younger generation doesn't care. Why do we even need farmers. 463 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: They're so removed from that that they don't understand. It's 464 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: one of those things like the fish doesn't know it's 465 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: in water, so to speak. Right, these generations are so 466 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: far removed from reality that they don't understand why those 467 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: things were there and how those things caused this world 468 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: to be developed that we have now today. And so 469 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: it's sort of some of the topics that I was 470 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: talking about while I was in Amsterdam. I did a 471 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: couple of panels talking about cycles. One I did a 472 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: panel with pizzaint on a couple couple guys, and we 473 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: were talking about Europe's Fourth Turning. And so this is 474 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: sort of based off this book. Neil Howe wrote The 475 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: Fourth Turning and it talks about an eighty year cycle, 476 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: and now all the change happens in this fourth twenty 477 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: year cycle in the greater eighty years cycle context. And 478 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: one of the points that I bring up is that 479 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: this is actually what's known as generational theory, and it's 480 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: sort of off of the often used quotea of I've 481 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: so many times, which is the hard times create strong men. 482 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Strong men create great times, great times, great week men. 483 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: Week men create bad times. And the reason why it 484 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: works like that in this generational context is because you 485 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: get the hard times creating strong men. So the strong 486 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: men had to create new policies and new plans and 487 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: new programs and create new inventions and new machinery and 488 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: technology in order to survive in this new world that 489 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: was of these hard times. And they had to save, 490 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: and they had to have a low time preference, and 491 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: they had to invest right, and they had to build 492 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: for the future. But what happens is as you get 493 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: further along in the generations, third and the fourth generation, 494 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: they're so far removed from that they're living off of 495 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: the production of those who came before them. They're living 496 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: off the savings, they're living off the hard work, they're 497 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: eating food, or I think the saying is that they're 498 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: they're benefiting from the shade of a tree they have 499 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: not planted. So we had these groups of people who 500 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: had to figure out how to change the world, who 501 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: had to bring peace, you had to build prosperity, you 502 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: had to save for the future, who had to plant 503 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: the tree. But now we have these generations who don't 504 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: understand why that tree was even there. They don't even 505 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: understand why they even need shade because they have so 506 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: much of it. They never they've never needed it. If 507 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: you've been out in the desert without any shade, you 508 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: certainly know why you need the shade. But when you 509 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: have shade everywhere, you just don't understand it. And that's 510 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: sort of what we're seeing today. And it's a big 511 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: problem now I want to talk about it's not just 512 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: censorship of our speech, but it's censorship of our money. 513 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: It's our payments and it's our even our ability to 514 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: travel that they want to censor. And I want to 515 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: talk specifically about some new bills that were just put 516 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: in place in the last week or two, again based 517 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: off of false pretense, off of mish misinformation, if you will. 518 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: But they're using this time of war, and they're using 519 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: the misinformation that they've that they've put out in order 520 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: to get more power for themselves and take away more 521 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: freedoms from us. We'll talk about that in a minute 522 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: when I come back. You're just if you're tuned in, 523 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Maas Show talking about war 524 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: equal censorship. Back with more a minute. O'k. Go away, 525 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're 526 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: listening to the markmas Show. We're talking about how war 527 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: equal censorship. And we've gone through a lot. We've gone 528 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: through the history all the way back from one hundred 529 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: years ago, talked about how this has happened over and 530 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: over and over to over, yes in the United States, 531 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: and yes in all types of countries. We talked about 532 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: how's happened in the bresh of Ukraine War, how it's 533 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: happening in Israel and Palestine right now. And now let's 534 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: bring it back home, back to North America, back to 535 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: the United States. And what we're seeing is the same thing. 536 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: It's always the same thing. If we want to understand 537 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: these complex issues, what we want to do is want 538 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: to break them down to what we call like a 539 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: first principles level. I mean, you have to understand them 540 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: at their core basic truths. And if you understand them 541 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: on that level, then you can start to then formulate 542 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: your own ideas and hypothesis based off of that. Otherwise, 543 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: if you don't do that, you're just parroting or repeating 544 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: headlines right without actually understanding thing. And so if we 545 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: want to break this down to a first principle's level, 546 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: the first principle's level is if I want to control you, 547 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: if I want to control a situation, control another person, 548 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: then I have to give them my perspective or my narrative, 549 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: my truth. You have to live my truth. If you 550 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: can think for yourself, if you could get other outside information, 551 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: you might not agree with what I'm telling you. That's 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: the first principles And so if you understand that to 553 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: be true, then you understand that in order for a government, 554 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: especially a very corrupt and coercive government, has to control 555 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: the narrative in order to control power. The problem that 556 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: they have is that as we go farther along from 557 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: the founder of the United States until today, the government 558 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: is getting more and more corrupt at a very rapid rate, 559 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: as at an exponential rate. And as they get more corrupt, 560 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: the people like it less and less and less. Obviously, 561 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: when you still a little bit you favor yourself a 562 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: little bit, you have a little bit of a you know, 563 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: outside favors okay, like whatever, Sure, okay, I see it. 564 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: But the more and more it gets, the moret grigous 565 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: it gets, the higher dollar amounts it gets, the worse 566 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: it gets for us. The more the people don't like it, 567 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: the more that people don't like it, the more that 568 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: we're going to want to talk about it and push 569 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: back against it. The more that we talk about and 570 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: push back against it, the more they have to censor us. 571 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: Are you starting to understand the situation. This is not 572 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: just like some random thing. It's the the way it 573 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: has to be. If we have a government that's getting 574 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: more corrupt, and if the governments to stay in power, 575 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: then if then if the government's getting more corrupt. And 576 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: if the governments to stay in power, which of course 577 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: they do, then they have to control the narrative. That's 578 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: just it. This is the way it works. Otherwise they're 579 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: out right. Now, let's talk about some of the broader 580 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: implications here, civil liberties and democracy at stake. Let's talk 581 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: about democracy at state. I have a different lens and 582 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: viewpoint a democracy. We'll talk about it here in a 583 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: minute that you maybe won't like or maybe you'll like 584 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: it if I explain to you, but it might catch 585 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: you up guard. But if we go back to back 586 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: to the United States, we saw that in two thousand 587 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: and one, we had the nine to eleven bombings, the 588 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: trade centers got knocked down. Every year we sort of 589 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: celebrate this as a moment to remember the solidarity of 590 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: the United States in response to this, and blah blah blah, 591 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: blah blah. What I remember is it was the day 592 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: that Americans lost more freedom than any time in history. 593 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: That's what happened through that, through the events of September eleven, 594 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: we lost as Americans, we lost more freedom than they 595 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: have in history. Through the passing of the Patriot Act. 596 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Of course, all these bills always have a name that's 597 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: the opposite of what they are, like Biden's famous Inflation 598 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: Reduction Act, by spending an extra one point seven trillion 599 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: somehow that cures inflations insane. And just like this, the 600 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: Patriot Act is the opposite, the opposite of a patriarcht 601 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: It's the totalitarian Act. That's what they should have called it. 602 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: And under the Patriot Act and then other government actions, 603 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 1: they've basically given themselves complete power to restrict and censor 604 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: any issues that they want. They can basically see everything, 605 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: they can do everything. It was passed right after directly 606 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: after the nine to eleven attacks, a month in less 607 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: than a month afterwards. So anytime you see the government 608 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: rushing into making these decisions, it's probably a bad thing. 609 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: They didn't take the time to think about it. They 610 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: didn't take the time to weigh the pros and calls, 611 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: look at the cost benefit analysis. They didn't take the 612 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: time to get public opinion. We're supposed to have a 613 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: representative government, so we lect leaders to go represent us. 614 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: But they didn't get a chance to look through these 615 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: laws and to vote on these laws. That's always going 616 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: to be a bad thing, right You should know by 617 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: now if you're a responsible adult, that you want to 618 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: think before you speak, you want to think before you act, 619 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: you want to look before you jump. And so something 620 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: as massive and as powerful and as important of this 621 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: should have probably taken some time, unless maybe they had 622 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: put it in place before and just used it as 623 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: a place to put that in power. That's a whole 624 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: different talk. Now. What we know is that the Act 625 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: gave the government, like I said, these massive powers to 626 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: surveil everybody, power to wire tap phones and all these things. 627 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: It changed the definition of what terrorism is, which now 628 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: makes it easy for the government to prosecute anybody they 629 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: want under terrorism related crimes. It's been super controversial, of course, 630 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: because again it's taken away so much freedoms that violates 631 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: civil liberties. It's been used to target all types of 632 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: minority groups. Of course, the government argues that it's important 633 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: to protect the country. Remember, you have to give up 634 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: your freedom for the safety. It's important that you let 635 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: us take these freedoms from you so we can give 636 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: you the safety that you want. According to them, but 637 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: we've seen that this patriarch has been used to prosecute 638 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of crimes that they say are terrorism 639 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: related but maybe not, like for example, used to prosecute 640 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: protesters and journalists for example. Now this has been challenged 641 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: many times in court, but the Supreme Court seems to 642 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: always hold up the law over and over and over. However, 643 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: the patriarchs set to expire in Congress is debating whether 644 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: to reauthorize the law or to let it expire. We'll 645 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: see what happens. But of course they don't want to 646 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: let it expire. Remember, if we understand these things from 647 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: our first principal's level, they don't want to let it go. 648 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: And we just saw this week Senator Elizabeth Warren. Every 649 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: time I say her name, I think about how Trump 650 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: called her pocahonas Senator Elizabeth Warren pretended to be an 651 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: American Indian, a Native Indian, and she said that she 652 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: was a Native Indian, she was from some tribe and 653 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: it all was a big lie. So anyway, that's the 654 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: joke behind that. But anyway, she's probably at the forefront 655 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: of trying to take away your freedom, specifically around your 656 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: freedom of money, specifically around freedom to transact in bitcoin 657 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: and cryptocurrencies. And what we saw this week under the 658 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: guise of war because of the Israel Hamas thing that's 659 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: going on is there was an article that came out 660 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: that said that Hamas was using cryptocurrency to cause war, 661 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: and so she used this report to go say, you know, 662 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: rattle the sabers if you will, to rally the troops, 663 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: and she got one hundred legislators to write a letter 664 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: to the White House addressing concern over crypto's role in terrorism, 665 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: and to rush through again another rush through, rush through 666 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: a new bill that would have sweeping power that would 667 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: allow them to sanction and impose sanctions and basically ban 668 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: technologies that they think could be a threat to national security. Now, 669 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: they did this off of a report that had come 670 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: out that has since been found to actually be false. 671 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: And actually they cite data from a company called Elliptical, 672 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: which has actually come out and said, wait a minute, 673 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: wait a minute, the data that the data that you 674 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: were saying that we gave you is wrong. That's not 675 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: the case. I forget the exact numbers. I think they 676 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: said something about it was a ninety million or one 677 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars in crypto donations that they 678 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: had gotten. But the funny thing was is that actually, 679 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: there was a report from Hamas earlier months earlier saying 680 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: do not give us crypto donations, do not give us 681 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: bitcoin donation because they're being able to be tracked. So 682 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: it was a blatant lie. The data company said this 683 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: is not the right data. Hamas put out a statement 684 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: saying don't give it to us, and yet they ran 685 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: with this anyway, So they're pushing false misinformation. We know 686 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: the information is false because both people that are reported 687 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: in this information have come out and said so. And 688 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: they're using it to now rush through a law to 689 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: put more laws in place to take away your freedom 690 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: to transact under the guise of protecting your freedom and 691 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: using the Patriot Act for this. See how that works. 692 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Now we can stand by and 693 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: let this all happen, or we can stand up and 694 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: do something. What would you do about it? Well, I'm 695 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: encouraging you to stay involved, to stay informed. I would 696 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: like you to go spread these Go talk about these 697 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: with your friends, your families and co workers, call your 698 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: local lawmakers, let them know how you feel, and when 699 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: it comes to the ballots, vote them out. All right, anyway, 700 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: if you just tuning in, listen to the Mark Maushow. 701 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: We've been covering war equals censorship, what that looks like 702 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: through history, and a whole lot more. Hopefully enjoy the conversation. 703 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: Let me know, hit me up on social media at 704 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: one Mark Moss and that's what I got. Thanks for listening.