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Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond

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Speaker 4: Contact looks for the latest news and upology, discuss some

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Speaker 2: Cases as we talk with the top experts. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're speaking with

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Speaker 2: Kevin Wright. Kevin is an advocate for UAP transparency and

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Speaker 2: is the founder of Solve Advocacy, an organization which is

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Speaker 2: dedicated to supporting whistleblowers, strengthening oversight, and advancing lawful disclosure.

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Speaker 2: His work focuses on navigating the complex intersection of national security,

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Speaker 2: classified programs, congressional oversight, and public accountability. Hey Kevin, welcome,

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Speaker 2: How you doing man?

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Ron, good to see you. How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm terrific. You know, one interesting thing doing all this

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Speaker 2: and they found their own unique lane or aspect of

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Speaker 2: the phenomenon, all of which play an important role. I

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Speaker 2: us building an understanding of what's happening, whatever that might be,

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Speaker 2: as well as fighting the truth embargo to try to

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Speaker 2: get more governmental disclosure to move forward. You are right

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Speaker 2: there on the front line of this aspect, working with

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Speaker 2: individuals who have credible information about UAP related programs so

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Speaker 2: they could come forward safe and responsibly. Tell us what

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff you're doing to try to get these

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Speaker 5: Sure, well, you're absolutely right there. First of all is

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Speaker 5: I saw that there was an effort here to bring

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Speaker 5: you know, I work a lot with with New Paradigm

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the UAP Disclosure Act is what

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that depends upon the quality of the

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but I think that I'm of the belief that,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I actually I actually can get my head

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Speaker 5: I don't, And I think that's sort of part of

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, Marco Rubio is now Secretary of State, not no

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Speaker 2: Wow, how do they respond to that when you tell them.

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Speaker 5: I think it's kind of shock. And one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great that those guys did that, because

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that we're seeing over the course of

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's not going fast enough for me. I'll

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Speaker 2: a legacy group? What is it? You're listening to be

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Speaker 2: We are back on Beyond Contact, we're speaking with Kevin

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Speaker 2: Wright from Solve Advocacy. Kevin, obviously you're very convinced that

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Speaker 2: our government, or at least a small cabal within the government,

449
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Speaker 2: does have knowledge about this issue. How do you think

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Speaker 2: this works? Do you think that there's this tiny faction

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Speaker 2: that really holds onto this knowledge and they're able to

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Speaker 2: operate within a special access project that's hidden from the

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Speaker 2: rest of us. Is it a legacy program that stays

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Speaker 2: exempt from Congress? How do you think it works?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's probably a number of things that

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Speaker 5: play here. You know, they call it the legacy program

457
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Speaker 5: because it dates back for so long. It's probably changed,

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Speaker 5: you know, a number of times over the decades, because

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Speaker 5: you know, if you believe that the literature on the subject,

460
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Speaker 5: that it has come close at least once or twice

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Speaker 5: to having been exposed, once during an investigation by some

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Speaker 5: staffers the United States Senate, you know, looking into classified

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Speaker 5: programs and black budgets and that sort of thing, possibly

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Speaker 5: once or twice other times as well. And so I

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Speaker 5: think that you know, it's changed over time and how

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Speaker 5: it operates, and you know, they learned the lessons from

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Speaker 5: those times in which it might have almost been exposed

468
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Speaker 5: and add extra layers of you know, security classification, that

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Speaker 5: sort of thing. As to you know, the number of

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Speaker 5: people that actually know, I don't know that we can

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Speaker 5: even take a guess at that whether that's you know,

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Speaker 5: ten people or a thousand people. I think we'd probably

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Speaker 5: be surprised to know that it's probably more people that

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Speaker 5: have some not the complete picture, but some piece of

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Speaker 5: the puzzle, because you have so many different parts of

476
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Speaker 5: the puzzle in the different locations working on different aspects

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Speaker 5: of the entirety of the program. But they just don't

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Speaker 5: have the thirty thousand foot view where they can see

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Speaker 5: the whole pictures.

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Speaker 2: That blind guy touching an elephant thing, right, it's so compartmentalized.

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Speaker 2: Everybody just gets a little piece.

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Speaker 5: Kind of thing, it seems, right, exactly. It's probably extraordinarily complex.

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Speaker 5: And you know, there are career bureaucrats who go in

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Speaker 5: and out of government that go into you know, defense

485
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Speaker 5: sector companies in and out of there. You know, they

486
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Speaker 5: don't call the you know, the revolving door of lobbying

487
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Speaker 5: in those sorts of things for nothing, because it's goes

488
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Speaker 5: back and forth both ways. You know, it's been alleged

489
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Speaker 5: that someone like a Dick Cheney, you know, played some role.

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Speaker 5: Some people say that he was at the top of

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Speaker 5: the pyramid of this. You know, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: that's true or not, but that would show you that

493
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Speaker 5: if that remained true until his death. Then you know,

494
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Speaker 5: he outlived lots of arts of the program and stayed

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Speaker 5: inside of it even though he had left government. And

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Speaker 5: there you know, it also goes to the fact that

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Speaker 5: there are very few Electric officials, if any at this

498
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Speaker 5: present time, that know, you know much of anything about it,

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Speaker 5: because they are looked at as temporary employees. Absolutely, they

500
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Speaker 5: can lose an election and be gone in two years.

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Speaker 5: With six years if you're in the Senate, you know

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Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about them again. So why

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Speaker 5: divulge any of this sort of information to them?

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Speaker 2: No need to know. And then also the way they

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Speaker 2: ship these things off to these private corporations. Now now

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Speaker 2: we can't even get them from foyer requests or classifications

507
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Speaker 2: because they're in these private companies. I mean, it's really incredible.

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Speaker 2: This is a way more tangled web, I think than

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Speaker 2: most people realize. You know, there's so many people I

510
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Speaker 2: talk to and they continue to say, well, we still

511
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Speaker 2: don't really have proof. And you mentioned agent disclosure, which

512
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Speaker 2: I thought was surprisingly good. Here we have very high

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Speaker 2: ranking people willing to risk their reputation and go on

514
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Speaker 2: record with some pretty strong claims. Yet there's many people

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Speaker 2: that say, at the end of the day, they still

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Speaker 2: don't have enough proof from that. What do you say

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 5: I think it's sort of just cognitive dissonance, because you know,

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Speaker 5: there is lots of evidence, you know, historically from the

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Speaker 5: nineteen forties forward, that we're dealing with something that is

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Speaker 5: not explainable by US technology or foreign adversary, you know,

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Speaker 5: and that really begins directly after World War Two and

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Speaker 5: the build up the atomic warfare assets of the United States,

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Speaker 5: you know, right from the beginning, from you know, uranium

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Speaker 5: mining to enrichment, to building the core pits for you know,

526
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Speaker 5: the nuclear bombs, to manufacturing of ICBMs to them being

527
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Speaker 5: installed in their silos. There were UFOs or uap whatever

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Speaker 5: you want to call them, orbs, you know, surveilling what

529
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Speaker 5: was going on all through that time period. And you know,

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Speaker 5: in the late nineteen forties early fifties, China was going

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Speaker 5: through you know, the cultural Revolution, and they were literally

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Speaker 5: murdering their scientists and doctors and teachers and things, you know,

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Speaker 5: so you know, that set them back, you know, at

534
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Speaker 5: least a generation, and they didn't have their first nuclear

535
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Speaker 5: detonation until I think nineteen sixty four or something. I

536
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Speaker 5: could be wrong about that. And then of course, you know,

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Speaker 5: Russia developed their own nuclear devices not longer after we did,

538
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Speaker 5: but you know, they certainly didn't have the capability to

539
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Speaker 5: do overflight the United States and just surveillance right over

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Speaker 5: the top, you know, sensitive nuclear and military installations with impunity.

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Speaker 5: Of course, that would never have been allowed. There's just

542
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Speaker 5: no way that would have been kosher with you know,

543
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Speaker 5: whether that was Trueman or Eisenhower or anybody else moving forward,

544
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Speaker 5: they would never have allowed that. And of course, you know,

545
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Speaker 5: the Russians and nobody else had the technologies to be

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Speaker 5: able to do that sort of thing. So you know,

547
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Speaker 5: we have the evidence dating back to there. And then

548
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Speaker 5: we have the nineteen seventy one Australian intelligence assessment that

549
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Speaker 5: determined that the stigma and everything else have been built

550
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Speaker 5: up around UFOs, and you know, the government of the

551
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Speaker 5: United States government saying that these things don't exist was

552
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Speaker 5: all just you know, a ruse to cover up the

553
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Speaker 5: fact that they were in fact looking to you know,

554
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Speaker 5: reverse engineer UFOs at least in terms of their capabilities.

555
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Speaker 5: And you've had you know, any number of documents and

556
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Speaker 5: witnesses and astronauts and military officials coming forward. So, you know,

557
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Speaker 5: the thirty two or thirty four people that came forward

558
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Speaker 5: in the Age disclosure, you know, we shtill a plot

559
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Speaker 5: all of them, but you know, they were preceded by

560
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Speaker 5: an equal amount, if not more, of people the decades

561
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Speaker 5: who come forward and said the same exact thing, just

562
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Speaker 5: nobody else not paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, man. You know, how are

564
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Speaker 2: these guys even able to say what they say? You know,

565
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Speaker 2: we hear about all these NDAs and classified programs, but

566
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Speaker 2: then you watch a movie like that or some of

567
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Speaker 2: these other things, and these very high level guys flat

568
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: out say we've recovered alien ships, We've seen the beings.

569
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that alone be classified or under some sort of NDA.

570
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Speaker 2: It seems like there's a disconnect to me somehow, Well,

571
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Speaker 2: you raise a great point. I think that that raises

572
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Speaker 2: a question for a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: Is you know, how is it that some of these

574
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Speaker 5: people can come forward and say the things that they

575
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Speaker 5: can without you know, tripping any wires and then also

576
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Speaker 5: at the same time know that there's also you know,

577
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 5: a second wire that they you know, are careful careful

578
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Speaker 5: not to trip, of course, and you know so part

579
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Speaker 5: of that, of course, is the fact that they have

580
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Speaker 5: gone through if they're writing a book or something, they've

581
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Speaker 5: gone through, you know, the Department of Publication review to

582
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Speaker 5: make sure that whatever it is that they're saying they're

583
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Speaker 5: writing about doesn't tripp any wires in terms of classification.

584
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Speaker 5: And so the thing about that, of course, is that

585
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Speaker 5: when they go through that process and they're allowed to

586
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Speaker 5: say certain things, that doesn't mean that Department of Defense,

587
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: for some other intelligence agency, the fact review goes through

588
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Speaker 5: is saying that what they're saying is true. What they're

589
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Speaker 5: saying is that you're allowed to say that that you're

590
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Speaker 5: not divulging anything that's inherently classified or something like that.

591
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Speaker 5: Of Course, you also have the issue here where you know,

592
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Speaker 5: if you want to say something and they deny you

593
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Speaker 5: the ability to say something, then that gives it, you know,

594
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Speaker 5: extra credibility. So I saw a UFO. I want to

595
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Speaker 5: be able to say that. Can I say that? And

596
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Speaker 5: then they say, yeah, you can say that. That doesn't

597
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Speaker 5: mean that they're saying that you saw one and.

598
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Speaker 2: They're not saying that. That doesn't mean that from somewhere

599
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: you said I saw a UFO.

600
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Speaker 5: That's right, But if they said you're not allowed to

601
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Speaker 5: say that, then that is you know. That's like when

602
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: you ask them a question they say, you know, I

603
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: can neither confirm nor deny. You know, so X, y

604
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 5: and Z. That's an admission in of itself, right, So

605
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: it's sort of the same type of thing there where

606
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: if they were to say you're not allowed to say that,

607
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: you know that communication in and of itself isn't classified.

608
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Speaker 5: So if they went public with, you know, saying I

609
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 5: asked to say something about such and such and they

610
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Speaker 5: said no, you're not allowed to do that, then that

611
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: is confirmation in of itself. So it's a very tricky situation.

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Speaker 2: It really is. And if there is this small legacy cabal,

613
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Speaker 2: let's say, let's say there's a small group you threw

614
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Speaker 2: out a number of one thousand people maybe, whatever it is,

615
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Speaker 2: how do these programs like Arrow or the previous program

616
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Speaker 2: Signed Grunge, Bluebook, any of these things get so manipulated.

617
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Speaker 2: It seems like these groups are outside of that legacy program,

618
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Speaker 2: and yet they seem to be sort of doing their

619
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Speaker 2: bidding and pushing the narrative the way that this group wants.

620
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Speaker 5: Well, I think when it comes to Erro. I mean

621
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Speaker 5: they are part and parcel of, you know, the cover

622
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Speaker 5: up itself, so they may not be The Arrow Office

623
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Speaker 5: was not envisioned by Congress to be part of the

624
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Speaker 5: Legacy Program.

625
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Speaker 2: But it was to us that it was exactly to

626
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Speaker 2: uncover that. Like they were supposed to be the O,

627
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Speaker 2: this was going to be the.

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Speaker 5: Transparent They also asked. They also asked if the Fox

629
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Speaker 5: to guard the Henhouse. There you go, the Department of

630
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Speaker 5: Defense to set up this office right and put in

631
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Speaker 5: its own people and do these things. You're essentially just

632
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Speaker 5: asking the people who do have access to information and

633
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Speaker 5: who do have access to the Legacy Program to install

634
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Speaker 5: their own people or influence the people that they're installing,

635
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 5: like doctor Sean ka Patrick for example, who was clearly

636
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: not interested in the least about you know, having any

637
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Speaker 5: sort of transparency with Congress or the American public. You know,

638
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if most people know this, but we'll

639
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: go back to the UAPDA for just a moment. That

640
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: when the UAPDA was introduced, it was passed through the

641
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Speaker 5: Senate and added to the National Defense Authorization Act, Department

642
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: of Defense and AERO, you know, did a deadline sort

643
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Speaker 5: of of the legislation and basically striking out all the

644
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: things that they didn't want and adding their notes. And

645
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: you know, Sean Kirkpatrick did an interview talking about you

646
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Speaker 5: know that they did. They objected to it because this

647
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 5: was the job they were already doing with you the

648
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Speaker 5: UAP Records Review Board. They were already essentially doing that,

649
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Speaker 5: which was far school and in of itself, of course,

650
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Speaker 5: you know, saying that it was a waste of tax

651
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Speaker 5: payer money. But you know, they lobby Congress and they

652
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: readlined the entire amendment. But one of the things that

653
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 5: they wanted to keep in the legislation was them in

654
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Speaker 5: a domain. But they didn't want UAP Records Review Board

655
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 5: to get that information or you know, to use or

656
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657
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Speaker 5: Office of Eerrow what Aero had said. You know, there

658
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
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659
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Speaker 5: went to the Defense contract as a defense contractor said

660
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 5: doesn't exist, you know, case closed. But why would you

661
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Speaker 5: want to keep them in that domain?

662
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,239
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663
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664
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Speaker 2: going to ask Kevin what it'll take to get an

665
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Speaker 2: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Kevin

695
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: Wright from Solve Advocacy. Kevin, what is it going to

696
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: take do you think to get some form of official

697
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: disclosure from the government.

698
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's a great question. I mean there's

699
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 5: a lot of theories on that. You know, there is

700
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: a course, the sort of the lawful and orderly way

701
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: which is advocated through by the UAP Disclosure Act. You know,

702
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 5: build a you know, a disclosure campaign or you know

703
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: the collection, analysis, compilation, and eventual disclosure of disinformation and

704
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 5: these materials biologics or whatever. It is that you know,

705
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: we do have possession of whether that's the government itself

706
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: or private defense contractors. There is a course other ways

707
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: that this could all come out, and that's more often

708
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: referred to as so called catastrophic disclosure, in which you know,

709
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 5: a say at China or Russia, somebody you know, beats

710
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: the United States government to the punch and comes out

711
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: and says, you know, we have discovered something. We've discovered

712
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 5: something that is a non human intelligence and they are

713
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 5: operating craft and in fact, we've retrieved this craft, we've

714
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 5: reversed engineered it, and now you know, we have mastered

715
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 5: this technology, which would overnight, of course, transfer you know,

716
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 5: geopolitical strength largely from the United States and gravitated towards

717
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: a Russia or China as you know, the new superpower

718
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 5: to be reckoned with. So you know, that's one way

719
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 5: it could happen. Of course, in other ways, you know,

720
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Speaker 5: somebody does come forward with one hundred percent verifiable information,

721
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Speaker 5: and that is something that's irrefutable that the government was going.

722
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: To have to be more than pictures, photos, videos today.

723
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 5: Something you know, something that's irrefutable, that ill pipe or

724
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 5: an arm. Yeah, yeah, but it is my firm belief

725
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 5: that this is going to happen. It's just you know,

726
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 5: how this happen is the question. But when it comes

727
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Speaker 5: to compelling our government to finally disclose information, I think

728
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: that goes back to our early discussion, which is the

729
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: fact that we need to educate the public more properly

730
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Speaker 5: to mobilize them into demanding transparency on this issue, thereby

731
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Speaker 5: forcing members of Congress to have to address it and

732
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Speaker 5: take it seriously. It finally passed legislation.

733
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think would be the biggest fallout

734
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: if the US government did disclose tomorrow morning.

735
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that depends upon what it is that

736
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Speaker 5: is ultimately disclosed.

737
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Speaker 2: But by the fact that extraterrestrials have been here, that

738
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Speaker 2: from off world, non humans have been to Earth and

739
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: we've interact with them, what's the big fallout?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that depends as well, because I think

741
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 5: there's a number of fallouts that happened. One of them is,

742
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: if you know, if there is an energy technology production distribution,

743
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: something along the lines of a zero point energy you know,

744
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 5: green energy something or rather, then you know, certainly creates

745
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 5: problems for you know, the oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia,

746
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: the Middle East, and it creates problems for you know,

747
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 5: our government in the fact that they've kept you know,

748
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: this information secret, relied on fossil fuels, included our environment,

749
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 5: while all along for the last sixty seventy eighty years

750
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: we could have had energy. I think that's you know,

751
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 5: a significant problem. I think, you know, some people will

752
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 5: affect in different ways. Some people who already have, you know,

753
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: a great distrust of our government will become even more distrustful.

754
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: Some will question, of course, religion, depending on what the

755
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: answer you know ultimately might be. But I think that

756
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: rather than focusing on what the fallout is in terms

757
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 5: of any possible negative consequences, I think we also have

758
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 5: to think about positive consequences when it comes to our government.

759
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: The greatest thing that it could do to rehabilitate itself

760
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: in the eyes of the public who have very low

761
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: approval ratings faith and trust and government is to finally

762
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 5: have a mea culpa and come forward and say, here's

763
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: the truth, this is what we're going to do to

764
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 5: rectify that and rebuild your trust in the institutions of

765
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Speaker 5: our government, in the media, and religion and everything else.

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Speaker 5: So that we can move forward as a better people.

767
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Speaker 2: You know, do you think it's possible that the truth

768
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: behind this phenomenon that this legacy group is aware of

769
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: may be way more complicated than most people really are

770
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: ready for, Like it goes way past nuts and bolts

771
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: craft and it's onto interdimensional beings or spiritual things or

772
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: something like that that might be best kept secret.

773
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 5: Or No, No, I don't think that's true. I mean

774
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 5: I do think it's I think it's true that it's

775
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 5: far more complicated than just an ET or ets coming

776
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 5: from somewhere else in the Solar system or galaxy universe

777
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: coming and visiting us, Because I think, you know, in

778
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: some ways, as as strange as it may sound, that

779
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: almost seems like the most unlikely explanation in a lot

780
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 5: of regards, because of how strange the overall phenomena seems

781
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: to be. The ET hypothesis in and of itself does

782
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 5: not explain or come to even close to explaining all

783
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: the various aspects of, you know, the discussion that we're

784
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 5: having about the phenomena itself. It's possible that there are

785
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: people that are just going to never believe the truth

786
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 5: no matter what, and there are people you are probably

787
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: going to argue about the veracity of the truth when

788
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: it finally comes out of pre as we're all very

789
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 5: you know, devisive, peaceable these days. You can't see them

790
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: to come to agreement on anything, even when evidence is

791
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 5: presented to us. Yeah, I think it depends upon what

792
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 5: the truth ultimately is. But I definitely think it's far

793
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: more complicated than just anyone's simple explanation, and it definitely

794
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 5: goes beyond just sort of nutsymbols, craft and biological entities.

795
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent with that. And as much

796
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: as I really genuinely applaud these efforts from people like yourself,

797
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: from Danny Sheehan and the New Paradigm Institute and you

798
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: know the work of Steve Bassett and everyone pushing for

799
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: transparency in our right to know, but at the end

800
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: of the day, it just feels to me that we,

801
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: like some of these politicians, are on a need to

802
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: know basis and have zero need to know. From the

803
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Legacy Program's viewpoint, if there is this small faction that

804
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: controls this information, I do not see an upside for

805
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: them disclosing it to anyone. I see nothing but potential downside.

806
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: What do you think.

807
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 5: Well, I think under present circumstances, that's at least partially true,

808
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 5: because they don't see an upside inasmuch as they fear

809
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: that if the truth would come out, regardless of what

810
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: the truth might be, they fear that, you know, they're

811
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 5: going to be held accountable, liable, criminally prosecutable, and that

812
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 5: sort of thing. So for them, for that perspective, it

813
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: certainly seems that there is no upside, you know, for

814
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: this to come out if they are held in that regard.

815
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: So that's definitely, definitely a true statement.

816
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: I think when you were talking earlier about all these

817
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: ways that the government or this cabal or the legacy program,

818
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: I guess I should say is the way they control

819
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: this narrative and they nudge things, and they classify things,

820
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: and they secrify things. That's not a word. They make

821
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: these patents secret. How do you know who's telling the

822
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: truth and that they're not part of a disinformation campaign?

823
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Even somebody like as big as lou Elizondo, for example,

824
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: you know there's a chance that he's part of a

825
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: disinformation campaign. That's possible, right.

826
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think once you start diving down

827
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: the rabbit holes of UFOs and UAP and non human intelligence.

828
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 5: You realize that just about anything is possible. While I

829
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: do not think that I was onto another and some

830
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 5: of these other people are engaged in disinformation, I don't

831
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: think that's you know, the case. But you asked, essentially,

832
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: how can you discern sort of the truth amongst you,

833
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: all of what is being said and alleged. And you know,

834
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 5: my personal take on it is that, you know, I

835
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: read a lot, I listened a lot, you know, I

836
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: observe a lot from what people are saying, what they're writing,

837
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: what they're doing, and I don't take any of it

838
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 5: to the bank. I sort of just file it away.

839
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: And then the next time somebody says something that references,

840
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: you know, something that somebody else has said, you know,

841
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 5: I cross reference it and say, okay, well that makes sense,

842
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: or well that sounds like garbage because that doesn't jive

843
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 5: with you know, what so and so said. So, you know,

844
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: I just kind of try to keep stock of it

845
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: all and just keep it filed away, and then you

846
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 5: sort of build up, you know, a library of information,

847
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: you know, in your head and in your own writing,

848
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 5: and these sorts of things, and that sort of evolves

849
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 5: over time and you start comparing notes and you start

850
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 5: to think, okay, this is what actually makes sense, you know,

851
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: regardless of what so and so just said on a podcast,

852
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: you know, especially somebody new on the scene that nobody's

853
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 5: ever heard of, and they're making you know, rather extraordinary

854
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 5: claims or allegations. You know, sometimes some of it does

855
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 5: line up with other things that people have written and

856
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: spoken about, and sometimes you know it doesn't, but you

857
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: still file all that stuff away because it might come

858
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: up again and you cross reference it and you you know,

859
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: check your notes and say, okay, you know what so

860
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 5: and so two years ago said something very similar, and

861
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 5: at that time I discounted it as total garbage. But

862
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: you know, now this person has come forward and added

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Speaker 5: you know, context to it, and so maybe now I

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Speaker 5: need to actually, you know, I'll go back and consider

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Speaker 5: what it is that's been said here. Again.

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Speaker 2: This is such a convoluted thing. It's there's just so

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Speaker 2: it's just so complex. If you go to contact in

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Speaker 2: the desert and there's three thousand people there and you

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Speaker 2: interview each one of them, they're all going to have

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Speaker 2: their line on what they believe, what they don't believe,

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Speaker 2: it's just so tangled, so it's hard to know what's

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Speaker 2: all really true. Absolutely fascinating man.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I greatly appreciate you having me on and you know,

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Speaker 5: happy to do so again in the future.

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