1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: That our files sucks spreading the news. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god, he just turned this Celtics. 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 3: Could be leaving today, depending on when you're listening to 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 3: this to you you, Yes, the. 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Knicks are up three in one against the defending champions. 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 4: Terrible entry for Jason Tatum, though Indiana continues what has 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 4: been an impressive six week stretch. Nuggets thunder back and forth, 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 4: back and forth, back and forth. Real tough series, and 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 4: we'll get into all of that him or with Leuch 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: reportstamp value on today's episode. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 5: I am mild Thread and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 5: is Mile Miles got mad. 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Okay, don't you be driving Spinny, that's our number. 14 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 6: Just secure you. 15 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, that was my alarm going off telling me to 16 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: sing Miles and Jack on mad Boostie's into my microphone. 17 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: Turn down your thing. 18 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 4: Also, make sure your alarm is off when you activate 19 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: your rice. Just don't don't activate it. To out of 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: Nowhere on us NBA writer for leads You Report, host 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 4: of the Hardwood Knocks NBA podcast, dam of a Valley. 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Great to have you on. Yeah, Nick span much was 23 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: it too hot onto their own team going into this one? 24 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: I mean, none of us are right. I needed it. 25 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: I needed it, I demanded it. 26 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: When I go out, the Celtics have to go out 27 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: at all costs. So I was all in on the Knicks, 28 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: but not that I believed. I just desperately needed the 29 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: Knicks to win. But Dan, how where are you at? 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: Where'd you start and where are you now? Because I 31 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: heard you were not you weren't really too hot on 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 4: on them right now. 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know. Producer Bari reached out and asked if. 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 8: We could talk about this series when I was coming on, 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 8: and my response to him was, I don't think the 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 8: Knicks are still going to be playing by the time. 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 7: That I make this appearance. 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 8: So you thought it was gonna be a sweep. I 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 8: thought it was gonna be like a five game set 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 8: or a sweep. Yeah, that's what That's what I thought 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 8: coming in, And I mean consecutive twenty point comes backs 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 8: fall by Game three in which they fall back down 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 8: by twenty plus again and actually lose. Game four was 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 8: kind of like the eye opener where it feels like, oh, 45 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 8: there might be something here because the Jason Tatum injury 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 8: is catastrophic, but the Knicks We're gonna win that game. 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, like we're gonna win. So that's that was the 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: one that surprised me. The Knicks went up two to 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 2: oh to won the first two games in Boston coming home, 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: and we're still underdogs, and I agreed with that. I 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, there's are just gonna win the next four. 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: And I was wrong. The Knicks are much tougher than 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: I thought, and the Celtics I think more flawed. Yeah, 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: that game three felt like kind of what we thought 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: it would be. 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 4: Were like, well, if they start making their threes, then 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 4: it's kind of a different story. And then when that happens, like, okay, 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 4: so maybe maybe here, but yeah, I mean it's Jason Tatum. 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was his achilles uh ruptured there. 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: That's awful in the midst of like the game that 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: where he was finally doing the thing that everybody was like, 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: this is who he needs to be, right what his 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: box score was? Wild? Yeah yeah yeah forty two eight 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: four steals, two blocks. Yeah, yeah, I'm so by Jack 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: your theory. Now you're my theory. Everybody's burying them, which 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: is exactly the only way that you could get everybody 67 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: to agree the Celtics are cooked. Was this right, And 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: I just feel like they are still extremely talented. They're 69 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: still as talented, I think as most of most of 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: the teams. I don't know. I just I could see 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: them like putting together a run here. I don't know 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: if they win it, but I could definitely see it. Yeah, 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: a last gasp convulsion if you will. Yeah, yeah, I 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: don't know. But Dan, do you think I'm crazy here now? 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: It seems like you've got some confidence. 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 7: Oh no, absolutely not. 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 8: I think as a Knicks fan, you're always just waiting 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 8: for the other shoot to drop. I really do think though, 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 8: when you look at the Celtics without Jason Tatum, they're 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 8: still super talented. Their shallower gets harder to initiate their offense. 81 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 8: But if you told me that, if you told me 82 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 8: they won the series, I'd be pretty surprised. Just being 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 8: down three to one and then watching your best player 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 8: go down the way he did has to be deflating. 85 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 8: But if you told me there was a game seven, 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 8: I'm not saying I would predict it, but it just 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 8: wouldn't surprise me. 88 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 7: Like, they're still superpersonal. 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 8: I can do a lot of things defensively, and I 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 8: think we had questions about their offense with Jason Tatum. 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 8: So now the question about their offense I think become 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 8: more pronounced without him on the floor being able to 93 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 8: hit those really difficult jumpers when their offense bogs down. 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I will say like there was always like 95 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: one of the only things that I had as a 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Celtic's you know, hater, was that I felt like they 97 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: never fully it. Never they never felt like they were 98 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: just like and Tatum's our guy and now here He's 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: gonna like get us a bucket when we need it, 100 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: and like we just all rally behind him, like even 101 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: last year he wasn't the best player in the finals 102 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: on their team, and it just like never felt like 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: it fully came together. So like this, maybe this like 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: clears some space in whatever the weird kind of electricity 105 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: is of like team dynamics that govern these sorts of things. 106 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: I could just see something weird happening here. I'm not 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: necessarily predicting it, but it wouldn't shock me. And it 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: does feel like everyone's just like well they if they 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: weren't cooked before, they certainly are now. Like I mean, 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: I would even say if they had won that game 111 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: and Tatum doesn't get injured the Knicks just win? Like, 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: why that still put the Knicks up seven with a 113 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: couple of minutes to go. Do you think the Celtics 114 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: would still be favored? Because they were favored after going 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: down two in the first two games in in Boston, 116 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: like coming to Madison Square Garden, they were still favored, 117 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: Like do you think down three to one going home? Like, 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't they still be favored. 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 7: In Game five? Yes? 120 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 8: I think for this series, no, but it probably would 121 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 8: have been something super slight where it's like they're a 122 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 8: plus one oh. 123 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: Five, right, or something that's so wild it's unbelievable. Just enough, 124 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: just enough? Yeah, man, the Jalen Brunstd of it all too, 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: he's unbelievable. Man, tough, so good man. 126 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 7: Imagine losing him for nothing, at least, not. 127 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: For nothing, not for nothing, not for No, you didn't 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: think this was all part of the plan. Come on, 129 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: you didn't know, you knew exactly? Do we want to 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: talk about the draft real quick? Because you want to 131 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: get into this gets into my h A question that 132 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: I have for you, Dan, because I'm a Sixers fan, 133 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: the Sixers, and goodness I was, I was Daryl Morey 134 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: yesterday like, I got my head on in my hands, 135 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: just like I couldn't look when they said the Sixers 136 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: lost their pick. That felt bad. Uh. The ESPN commentator 137 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: accidentally said, the Sixers lost their pick, so the MAVs 138 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: obviously get Cooper Flag. Incredible, now that now the trade 139 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: makes sense? Uh somehow, you know if you just just 140 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: scales have been balanced. Yeah, exactly, if you assume like 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: just that this because they you know, if they kept Luca, 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: they weren't going to be in the lottery, So in 143 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: a roundabout way, they did this was part of the trade, 144 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: and they did just get Cooper Flag, and suddenly it 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: now makes sense for the first time since it happened. 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: I will say the Sixers are now in the third 147 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: the third spot and the projected pick for two and 148 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: three are teammates and their teammates who played on a 149 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: team that did not make the NC Double A tournament 150 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: and were bad. And I have as a Sixers fan, 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: I have some questions here. I have some experience with this. 152 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: I was so we picked markel Foltz number one ahead 153 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: of Jason Tatum. His team had won ten games the year, 154 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: but they were like ten and twenty the year before. 155 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: He was drafted by the Sixers. We picked Ben Simmons. 156 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: His team was like five hundred, did not make the 157 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: NC Double a tournament, And both times the Sixers just 158 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: convinced themselves that doesn't really mean any thing. These guys 159 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: were like super talented. I went, I was like, does 160 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: it not mean anything? So I went to Reddit to 161 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: be like, whoa, who are the players who have played 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: on teams that were bad and who were like on 163 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: bad college teams who went on to be like great 164 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: NBA players and the like most relevant thread was one 165 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: from eight years ago when Mark el Foltz was drafted 166 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: and people were like, oh, I'll tell you who was 167 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Ben Simmons. He's he's a superstar and he was on 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: a bed So that didn't quite work out. But like 169 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: even when a star comes from a bad team, like 170 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: they usually elevate them, like you know, Steph On Davidson, 171 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: CJ McCullough, Like even one of the answers in the 172 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: thread was Dame but like we were State was twenty 173 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: one and ten and fifteen and one like in conference 174 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: play like his last year, like one of his last years, 175 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: and so I don't I don't know who is the 176 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: cump where it's like this person couldn't get their college 177 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: team to win games and then they went on to 178 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: be an amazing NBA player. Like it just that that 179 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: bothers me too much and that and plus it's two 180 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: of them, number two and three, Like I just feel 181 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: like we're leaving something out and that that's like even 182 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: the Jalen Brunson thing like rings in my head too, 183 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: because he was a player coming out who was you know, 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: not the right size, like didn't have all those like 185 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: intangibles and like the things that people look for at 186 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: the combine, and he was vastly, vastly underrated, who was like, 187 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: you know, a leader on a team that won championships 188 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: like that. It's just like, I don't love the idea 189 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: of picking one of the Rutgers guys personally, But Dan, 190 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: what do you think. 191 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 7: That's I never thought about it in that context. 192 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 8: I think it's probably a fair concern to have, especially 193 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 8: when you're drafting that high. And if it's two guys 194 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 8: were considered these cornerstone type pieces, you kind of wonder 195 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 8: where like Joelle Ebiid and Andrew Wiggins played together and 196 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 8: like they weren't the most intuitive fit and that team 197 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 8: found ways to win games anyway. Yeah, that's an interesting 198 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 8: theory that I hadn't given. 199 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: Like Embiid also was like just learning to play basketball, 200 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: like like he was like, wait, do I so I 201 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 2: have to dribble it? 202 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 9: Right? 203 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: I can't just like spite that's volleyball. Sorry. I yeah, 204 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: sometimes I forget like he was new to the game 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: when he was like playing at Kansas and still like, yeah, 206 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: they they could win games, you know, like it's just 207 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: to not to have the two second and third best 208 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: players and not make the NCAA tournament is wild to me. 209 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 7: I mean, Lebron's college team didn't make the double nc 210 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 7: DOUBLEA tournament. 211 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, that's true. But those are really good 212 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: points guys. I was going to say. I was like, 213 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: what if they they never did? I mean, both of 214 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: those guys would have gone to don is there? I mean. 215 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 4: But then on the other side of that coin, like 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: you know, you'll also have those players who did it, 217 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 4: play on great teams and really just came of age 218 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: once they got into the league. 219 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, you got like your 220 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: Pippin Singer Rodmans and stuff like that. 221 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 4: But but I do get what you mean, it's like 222 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: because then because there is an emphasis to be like 223 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: we're gonna you're gonna go that high in the draft, 224 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: but then you're kind of can't get it done on 225 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 4: ther you know, in your your last college season. I 226 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: get how that kind of looks a little bit. It's like, 227 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 4: was this the most elite if there is? Like because 228 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: I didn't, I mean I didn't watch many Rutgers games. 229 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: Was it just that like could they say it's like, well, 230 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 4: you know, we didn't have any guys around us, so 231 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 4: you know it makes sense that you know, we played 232 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: the way we did or or do they contribute to 233 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 4: their low performances on that team. 234 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: I just didn't. I'm not familiar with Rutgers seasons. I 235 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: watched every Rutgers game, Miles, these guys stink. No, I 236 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: didn't watch a single Rockers game. I'm just this is 237 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: just a thing that I'm noticing now that we're And 238 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: I did not look into the draft because I was 239 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: ready to have my heartbroken. Have the Sixers give their 240 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: pick away to the like soon possibly soon to be 241 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: national champion. Okay, see under, But now that they have, 242 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: I'm all in and I'm like the first thing I'm 243 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: noticing is that the Sixers are supposed to once again 244 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: pick a player like top three from a losing college team. 245 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: And I'm just like, ah, guys, we do this every 246 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: time we get a top pick. We do this, and 247 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: it's not a might be different. 248 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 8: And what's kind of different about this though, is assuming 249 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 8: they're even a semblance of healthy is maybe it's different 250 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 8: if you're putting these guys onto one of these guys 251 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 8: onto a roster that has a bunch of help for them, 252 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 8: and they're going to be able to be brought along 253 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 8: more gradually rather than you have to come in and 254 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 8: be or expected to be the guy. 255 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean maybe, like as long as 256 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: the person just doesn't decide to relearn how to shoot 257 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: and change their shot, maybe maybe they'll end up being okay. 258 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: But uh, like Mark Calfel. 259 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 8: Did make an All NBA team, right, So it's like, 260 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 8: if it follows the Ben Simmons course, if they just 261 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 8: aren't as I don't know what the word is, they 262 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 8: don't play as hesitantly might be the kindest way to 263 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 8: put it, Like maybe then that you know, that's. 264 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 7: Not the worst arc to follow. 265 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were both like like in you know, 266 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: Mark el Foltz seems like a great guy. I'm rooting 267 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: for him all the time in retrospect, complete like disasters 268 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: in terms of their ability to like capitalize on their promise. 269 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: You know, Ben Simmons was supposed to be generational and 270 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: kind of fell apart, and Mark hel Foltz like just yeah, 271 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: like really in both cases like seemed like kind of 272 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: worst case scenarios coming out of it. So I don't know, 273 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: I would say Ben Simmons is the worst case scenario 274 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: given like what we saw even as rookie year. But 275 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: I guess the fact that we got that rookie year 276 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: and some all defensive type performances maybe maybe not, but 277 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: that that would just be one of the things that 278 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: I'd be taking a hard look at when it seems 279 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: like people who just are good enough to play in 280 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: the NBA and are like proven winners like to tend 281 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: to be where worth a hard look. I say, stay optimistic. Yeah, 282 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, you find it like Ace Bailey just showed 283 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: up to camp way overweight. 284 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 9: What's and You're like, no, no, it's gonna happen. Shooting 285 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 9: for him too, He's shooting with his other hand. Yeah, 286 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 9: he got his old coach helping him out. 287 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: It's cool stuff. He got Mark l Full, his uncle 288 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: to change his shot training. 289 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 10: In Australia in the off season. Let's take a quick bak, 290 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 10: let's take a great We'll be right back, and we're back. 291 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 10: We're back, Wolves, Warriors. 292 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: What I mean another like just bummer injury, you know, 293 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: Steph being out of the hamstring injury. I feel like 294 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: this would be an incredible series. As of right now, 295 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, Like it definitely doesn't seem 296 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: like Steph should rush back, especially given like what we 297 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: what we saw with Tatum. But uh Ant and like 298 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: Ant seems to be doing what what he did in 299 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: the playoffs last year, Like he's just stepping up, becoming 300 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: that dude. 301 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 302 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: And then Julius Randall is. 303 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 7: Uh. 304 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: You know, all the doubters can can go do one 305 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: as they say. Uh. But I mean, how do you 306 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: feel as a Knicks fan seeing seeing this version of 307 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: Julius Randall in the playoffs playoff Randall? 308 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 8: I like it better that he's taking clear shots at 309 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 8: Tibbs where he was basically like, it's just good to 310 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 8: be in a spot where I'm not standing around and 311 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 8: so like they have him doing more away from the ball, 312 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 8: they have him doing some like kind of a similar 313 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 8: little bit New York had, but they seem to appreciate 314 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 8: it more given how much Anthony Edwards can struggle against 315 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 8: double teams. 316 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 7: So it's cool to see him sort of. 317 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 8: We very rarely get to look back on trades as like, oh, 318 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 8: maybe that made sense for both teams. And I think 319 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 8: there's still a lot to play out for Minnesota and 320 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 8: New York, but it's cool to see, like kind of everybody, 321 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 8: I mean, Dontha Evincenzo's not hitting shots right now, but 322 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 8: it's cool to maybe see this potentially working out for 323 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 8: both sides and the Wolves offense. I still don't trust it, 324 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 8: but with Randall playing like this, they're definitely more dynamic 325 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 8: than they were with Kat just because Randal brings that 326 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 8: live dribble play making element that as someone who's watched 327 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 8: a lot of Karnafy towns in both Minnesota and New York, 328 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 8: I can confirm he still does not have. 329 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: He does have. He makes some of the wildest shots, 330 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: like that fadeaway that he hit against Detroit, like over 331 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: the backboard was one, Like who was that big moment too, 332 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: was one of the wildest that I've seen somebody, and 333 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: it was like dead center of the red, like complete nothing. 334 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 8: But net I have a theory that he would be 335 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 8: like thirty to fifty percent more valuable on the offensive 336 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 8: end if he just ran like ten miles before each 337 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 8: game and was tired. Because that's the only time he 338 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 8: seems to take enough threes is when he's kind of 339 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 8: lolly gagging back in transition and they hit him with 340 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 8: like a trailer pass and he drills it. That dude 341 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 8: is such a good shooter, and he's out here and 342 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 8: like some of these games taking two to three pointers. 343 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 8: One three pointer against a Celtics team that just gets 344 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 8: them up. And so you're sitting there, you're like, oh, 345 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 8: the Knicks are down by fourteen, they're losing the three 346 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 8: point battle by twenty seven points. Can they do anything? 347 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 8: And it's you play him Tims a little bit. But 348 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 8: dating back to his time in Minnesota, towns just doesn't 349 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 8: have to be all threes. But I just don't know 350 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 8: why he doesn't take more of those things. 351 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just got to hit him with a like a 352 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: dart that's just like take them down and not like 353 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: the old school dart r. 354 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: How is what's Jimmy Butler's situas he's still nursing that 355 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 4: injured I mean it felt like this last that game 356 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 4: for I was like, oof, buddy, you're you're not You're 357 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 4: not looking the same at all. 358 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 8: He was sick and he still got that glute injury apparently, 359 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 8: but he's he's not wired. 360 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 7: I guess to shoot first. 361 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 8: He kind of played that way in Miami, but since 362 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 8: he's been in Golden State, I don't know if it's 363 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 8: because it's new and like you said, he's been banged up. 364 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 7: I've just never seen him be so passive. It's just 365 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 7: like a score. 366 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 8: I think a lot of it has to do Their 367 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 8: spacing is really bad, especially without Steph. Like you have, 368 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 8: Buddy healed, and that's like it when it comes to 369 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 8: shooters that other teams respect. But nine shots. I know, 370 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 8: I know you're injured, I know you're sick, but nine 371 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 8: shots without Steph is insane. 372 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's done. He was what his game was rating 373 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: was minus thirty. That last one. That's honest aggressive. It 374 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: like it really is an argument for how incredible Steph is. 375 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: Like you hear people talk about, well, you know offensively, 376 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 2: it's not just like the things that you see with 377 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: the naked eye. It's also like gravitationally, like he just 378 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: like moves defenders all over the court. But when you 379 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: actually see from one game to the next, like with 380 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: him versus without him, it's pretty staggering, Like the guy's 381 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: totally incredible. 382 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's been that movement where people have made fun of, 383 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 8: mostly Warriors fan saying they think Steph is the first 384 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 8: player to ever have gravity, which. 385 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 7: Is kind of funny. 386 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 8: But it's different when kind of like you just alluded 387 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 8: to it, no one else is pulling like three or 388 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 8: four defenders in his direction when he doesn't have the ball. 389 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 8: There's just no one who does that, And you're right, 390 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 8: it's just the contrast is so stark when you watch 391 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 8: the Warriors with Steph versus without them, like they're dating 392 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 8: back to the Kevin Durant years, like they've struggled so 393 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 8: much to put together efficient offense when he's not on 394 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 8: the court. Because it's a cliche, but he's just he's 395 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 8: one of one and to still be that important to 396 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 8: a team that's in the second round of the playoffs 397 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 8: at what was he thirty six thirty seven. 398 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 7: That's also bonkers. 399 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like what the expectations and like what 400 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: it looked like after his rookie year, like the fact 401 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: that he's still this good. You know that he was 402 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: able to put it together strengthen his ankles, a thing 403 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: I didn't know was possible, Like, ah, I just need 404 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: to do ankle strengthening exercise. That's like the type of 405 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: exercise you would hear people talk about in the forties. Right, 406 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: it's like focusing on one part. It's like it's all 407 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 2: in the ankles. But I mean, we do have to 408 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: just take another moment. Brunson just that ineffable skill of 409 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: just like when it's important, I make impossible shots and 410 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it every single time. What Like, it's 411 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: got to feel so great to be rooting for a 412 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: team that where the ball is in his hands and 413 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: in the clutch moments. Yeah, it feels inevitable. 414 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 8: It should be frustrating, and it is at points, But 415 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 8: like him winning Clutch Player of the Year, I'm trying 416 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 8: to think back. It's like, when is the last time 417 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 8: the Knicks had a player that you actively wanted to 418 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 8: have the ball in their hands with the game on 419 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 8: the line. It wasn't even with Mellow that wasn't really 420 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 8: like Patrick Ewing style like this is. We're talking decades 421 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 8: of just the Knicks Mount having that guy and to 422 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 8: be confident with him late in games and to see 423 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 8: him prove it like again in postseason, it's it's pretty surreal, 424 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 8: especially when you consider what he was thought to be 425 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 8: in Dallas even at his peak, and then was he 426 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 8: He's listed at six two, but he's got to be 427 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 8: like five, Like if he's six feet, like, I'll be shocked. 428 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 8: And to see him do this against like double and 429 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 8: triple teams and Blitzer from the Celtics is I don't know, 430 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 8: just kind of wild. 431 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the super producer Jabari saying Allen Houston was that dude, 432 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: but he also wasn't like was he even the best 433 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: player on that team. 434 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 8: For like he was like he was that dude for 435 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 8: maybe like two seasons. And Brunson's like Mount Rushmore franchise 436 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 8: level already after this his third guy's he probably deserves 437 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 8: to be there already, so and it's like just doesn't 438 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 8: turn the ball over for such a high volume guy 439 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 8: normally too. It's it's really cool to see and just 440 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 8: as a fan. I don't think since I started rooting 441 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 8: for the Knicks in like the nineties, I don't remember 442 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 8: there ever being a player that I trusted to have 443 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 8: the like the ball, like thought, oh, this SHOT's going in, 444 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 8: and I think is a Knicks on your condition to 445 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 8: assume that it's going to miss? And Brunson has kind 446 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 8: of flipped that script. 447 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, who's the because I totally get that. 448 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 4: It always felt like, man, they just they're missing, like 449 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 4: that guy, you know, and it's before that, who would 450 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: you have trusted with the ball and the final seconds 451 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 4: of the game. 452 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 7: Maybe probably Walt Frasier, Like I. 453 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, he was pretty clutch that 454 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: that one game that he had, the Willis Reid game 455 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: that is actually the Clyde Frasier game. Like his stats 456 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: are in that game where so bunkers. Yeah, Like is 457 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: he as popular a player an athlete as has been 458 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: in New York since like what was the last time 459 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: there was somebody this level? Is it Jeter? 460 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 8: They're not gonna say, he's probably not there, but it 461 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 8: has to be just where it feels like they could 462 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 8: do their infallible Yeah, it's even when they're frustrated with 463 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 8: Jalen Brunson. It's the Knicks fans reaction just like, well, 464 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 8: he'll adjust and he'll get it next game. 465 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 7: Like this is just an off night. 466 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 8: He's like beyond impeaching at this point. 467 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 7: So I think Jeter might be the right. 468 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 8: I'm trying to think of just like Knicks fans of 469 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 8: maybe there's been more fanfare for certain players coming here, 470 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 8: like the red carpet was rolled out more for a 471 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 8: Maristdomi A twenty ten than it ever was for Jalen Brunson. 472 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 8: But he's he's a god in New York City, and 473 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 8: I think Jeter's the right. 474 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: He commits a crime and the first call is to 475 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Eric Adams, like it's not even like they don't even 476 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: call the police, just like get mayor Adams on the phone. 477 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: It is just like as an NBA fan, I'm being 478 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: taken back to like that that ninety nine season where 479 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: ewing went down and the Knicks were the Knickson eight seed, 480 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: yeah and seed and went to the finals, like that 481 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: was It's so fun when the Knicks are good, Like 482 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: it's so wild for all the Yeah, I don't know 483 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: like it the Nick it's just the NBA is so 484 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: fun when the Knicks are good. Like everybody just I 485 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: feel like can get behind the Knicks because it's so rare. Also, 486 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: I think it you know, if they were as successful 487 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: as the Celtics, it probably wouldn't be as fun, but 488 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: like having the Knicks be in the conversation now where 489 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, I mean, I personally think Indiana 490 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: is it looks as good as anybody in the league 491 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: right now. But you know, if they get to the finals, 492 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: that's super fun. That's like I kind of am starting 493 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: to love this team, Like even though I feel like 494 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: they're flawed, they really like they're they're they're doing something. 495 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 8: Well that that increases the likability factor though when you're flawed, 496 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 8: because yet they were three seeds, so it's not like there's. 497 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 7: Some like Giles underdog but right, no one. 498 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 8: I mean we were just talking about I thought they 499 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 8: were gonna lose in four or five games in this series, 500 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 8: and so to see a flawed team kind of defy 501 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 8: the odds and go through the potentially the reigning champs 502 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 8: and then if they're able to win, I mean, especially 503 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 8: if it's like Indie New York in the next round, 504 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 8: you talk about a flashback to the ninth Oh my god, 505 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 8: the Conference finals got Reggie out there, like yo, yeah, 506 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 8: Reggie Miller will be off the calls by then at 507 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 8: that point though, so that'll be he won't be conflicted anymore. 508 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 8: But yeah, there's a likability to them that they're not 509 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 8: supposed to have, because like they built this team and 510 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 8: went all in with the image of we're going to 511 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 8: be a contender, but because they failed in large like 512 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 8: and they're like they went oh to eight against Boston 513 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 8: and Cleveland. So that failure and then going to this 514 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 8: I think that kind of lay the groundwork to make 515 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 8: them even more likable because they're even just more unexpected. 516 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: Was Rick Brunson on that team that got to the finals? 517 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 7: Oh, I've no wow, I have no idea, just. 518 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: Thinking because wasn't he on the Knicks around then, like 519 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 4: the turn of the century. I feel like that's just 520 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 4: an man, it's all poetry. 521 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm just seeing all my the Knicks frames. 522 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: I remember, I think it was maybe a season or two ago, 523 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: and I was like, Bro, these Knicks fans, I know 524 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: they're like j go bro, Like. 525 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: The first season, the first. 526 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: Season he was there, and I don't know like now 527 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 4: they're like it just it felt different. 528 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: It felt different. It feels different, and I was like, well, 529 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: you're seeing you You justified now, Myles. 530 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 7: You're right. Rick Brunson was on the Knicks during that 531 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 7: finals run. 532 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: Wow, Jesus good for Look, Oh the energy is there. 533 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 8: You mentioned the Knicks fans like, you know, kind of 534 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 8: trumpeting up Jalen Brunson. I bet you there's going to 535 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 8: be something after this season, especially the Nicks make the 536 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 8: conference finals where it's like who would you rather have 537 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 8: Jalen Brunson or Luca or Yonna? 538 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 7: Like that is going to start if it hasn't already. 539 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know what, Maybe I'm not 540 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: even Maybe I'm it's not that the Knicks are like 541 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: like the the NBA is more fun when the Knicks 542 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: are making a finals run. Maybe it's just more fun 543 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: when a Rick Brunson team is making a finals run. 544 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: You know, I feel like that could be it. I 545 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: just I just get excited for Rick Brunson. Wow. 546 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: Well I did forget that that draft in ninety nine 547 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: they've drafted Frederick Weiss, the guy that Vince Carter absolutely destroyed. 548 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you retired like after that game or 549 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 8: something crazy, there was like an offbed, done on it. 550 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: I'm done. 551 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 7: I don't need it anymore. 552 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: Man, What a time? What a time? How are we 553 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: feeling about the Pacers? Dan? 554 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 8: So as of right now, if they met the Knicks 555 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 8: in the conference finals, I might pick the Pacers in seven. 556 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 8: I probably like New York's top five more. But the 557 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 8: stuff the Pacers can throw at you, man, Like, they 558 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 8: can play fast, they could play slow, they can be 559 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 8: a finesse team, they could be physical, they can beat 560 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 8: you from beyond the arc. There's just so many different 561 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 8: things that they can do, and I don't think we 562 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 8: fully appreciate it that it doesn't feel like depth is 563 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 8: making a little bit of a comeback in the playoffs, 564 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 8: where it's like the Pacers are using their depth and 565 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 8: it's working, and the Rockets push the Warriors to the 566 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 8: brink while like, you know, using their depth as well, 567 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 8: and like even the Calves, Yeah, they're banged up and 568 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 8: they're they're down in that series and potentially out. But 569 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 8: there's teams that are like turning to more players than 570 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 8: I feel like in years past, stretching their rotations deeper, 571 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 8: and Indy is probably doing that more than anyone. 572 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 7: And I don't think maybe. 573 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 8: Even I picked them to lose against the Cavs in five, 574 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 8: so I don't even appreciate them yet. But that's a 575 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 8: team that they're dynamic and they can beat you from 576 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 8: a bunch of different angles. And we've seen that for 577 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 8: sure against Cleveland. 578 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: And I would say I've only seen I can't maybe 579 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: this isn't right, but I've only seen a team definitely 580 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: win the title from coaching from a coaching advantage maybe 581 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: once in my lifetime. And I think it's with Carlisle 582 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: beating the Heat that year. You know, like he's such 583 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: a good coach who's able to like just figure things 584 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: out that I might not be the only case, but 585 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: like I do feel like he's good at figuring some 586 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: angles out and like getting a team to a higher 587 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: level of performance than I would have otherwise expected. So 588 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's a big advantage that they 589 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: have over i'd say the Knicks and a lot of 590 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: the rest of the league right now. 591 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 4: Is Tyree's playing with a little chip on his shoulder 592 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: after everyone's called him overrated. 593 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: Thing there's just like, I mean, he's been he's like 594 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, if he is, that's great for him, 595 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: well done. You know he you use that, however, but 596 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: like he has to be aware that, like he disappears 597 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: for months at a time, you know, like only when 598 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: it counts. But yeah, I mean he's playing. I loved 599 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: his dance as they called it after he hit that 600 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: game winning shot. They're like, he's been given a warning 601 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: for doing that dance. Yeah much, not much. It's my 602 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: favorite dance move when I get out on the dance floor. 603 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: You know the thing that all the kids are doing 604 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 4: Thunders and Nuggets that one thunders and Nuggets. 605 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 7: Thunder sounds like thunders. 606 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: Thunders versus nugget. Who we got here? 607 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 8: I still think I lean Thunder. But this series has 608 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 8: confused the heck out of me. Kich is playing, as 609 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 8: we're recording, like he had wrapped up one of the 610 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 8: worst three game stretches of his career just over these 611 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 8: past three games. So you can either look at it as, Oh, 612 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 8: the Nuggets are in trouble, or it's oh, you're like 613 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 8: they've played okay and jok still hasn't had like a 614 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 8: only he's only had one trademark Yokic game left. 615 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 7: I guess I'll frame it this way. 616 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 8: I've emerged from this series being more concerned about me too, 617 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 8: rather than. 618 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: I'll say I was concerned about the Nuggets, like heading 619 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: in and heading into the playoffs. I didn't think they were. 620 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 7: Gonna, Oh you don't think firing your coach. 621 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: For some reason. I thought that was a weird. Yeah, 622 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: like I I've probably my my opinion of the Nuggets 623 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: has gone up in this series, but definitely okay, see 624 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: is like, I don't know, there's just some fourth quarters 625 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: where it looks like they're playing through cement. Like it's 626 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 2: just like, uh, what is I thought you guys were 627 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: supposed to like be able to like move the ball, 628 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: and their offense just looks limited in a way that 629 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: I was hoping, you know someone, I just root for 630 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: anybody except the Celtics. So I just want everybody to 631 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: be as good as they possibly can. They can and 632 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: for that much, they have disappointed me in this series, 633 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: but maybe they'll put it together. I mean it's hard 634 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: playing at altitude, I guess, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's 635 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: real hard. I can tell you that from experience. 636 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: You know, some I don't know if they got a 637 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 4: cheat code or something up there, it's just whatever happens 638 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 4: to you at altitude. 639 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: I just know that. I think that's why the Lakers 640 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: kept losing. 641 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 4: You think, so I'll keep saying altitude that was our 642 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: favorite excuse at the time. 643 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 7: I feel like they lost because they didn't put enough. 644 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 7: I thought that, like. 645 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: Right, no exactly, that was it too. You know, we'll 646 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 4: get another bite of the apple. 647 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: I think I think we'll be all right. 648 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm also really amazed, though, how well they've 649 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: played despite the coaching change up at the last minute. 650 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's also because like Aaron 651 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 4: Gordon has also just been playing like out of have 652 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: you seen all the conspiracy theories about like his number 653 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 4: and like what the time like at which he was 654 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 4: scoring buzzer beaters. There's some al there's some wild numerology 655 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: going on with Aaron Gordon's playing, and like why he's 656 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 4: just you know, kind of being that guy when the 657 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 4: when the situation calls for it. But you know, I 658 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 4: love I love a bit of numerology mixed with us. 659 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 7: I need to go. Was that on Reddit? I have 660 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 7: not seen anything? 661 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was like on the it was like 662 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: on the Nuggets thing. It was so funny. 663 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 4: I was like, this is such a level of thought 664 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 4: going into this. But also blessed if you if you 665 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 4: got to figure out that, like you've got a whole 666 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 4: other engine powering this thing, then yeah, like. 667 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just like manifest destiny or something that he's 668 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 8: doing this. 669 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 7: But but with math. 670 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: I I gotta find this. 671 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll share it with you when I find it, 672 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 4: because it is it's like impressive of like only a fan. 673 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: Could come up with something like this. All right, let's 674 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: take a quick break. We'll come back and oh Dan, 675 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: Dan Dan, Dan, Dan, you have stepped in. You're going 676 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: dan dan uh. 677 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 11: We we got the rap fire around a question will 678 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 11: be and we're back and we're back. 679 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 2: Dan laughing, laugh and look at him. 680 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 4: That I got that Gotham glow about me right now, 681 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 4: straight out of Arkham. 682 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 2: Let's do this, Dampa Valley. 683 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 12: It is time for the fourth Core wrap Fire around 684 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 12: a question. The first question answer segment is that history. 685 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 12: We're gonna ask you a question. You react, You go 686 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 12: instantly within your soul. You let your soul speak. You 687 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 12: do not get cerebral, you just respond. If you don't 688 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 12: keep the. 689 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: Pace up of the segment, we will be New York routine. Okay, 690 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 2: I hope you're ready for that. 691 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 7: Do you accept the check? 692 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: Wow? Okay? Well, I love I like the honesty, Dan, 693 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 2: I love the honesty. Brian Stark the clock, Brian wasn't sounds. 694 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 5: Well, you've made them mad geez, I'm saying we're gonna 695 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 5: be I'm compensating. 696 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: No further questions, my honor, Jack, you want to a first, Miles, 697 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: I'd love it if you went first. 698 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 4: Actually, okay, great, Here I go, here, I go, here, 699 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 4: I go again. 700 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 2: Girls, what's my weakness questions? Okay? 701 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 4: Then, Dan, you have the ability to waive your magic 702 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 4: wand and create your preferred finals matchup for the end 703 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 4: of this postseason tournament. Okay, this end of the season. 704 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 4: What's your matchup? And what do you actually think the 705 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 4: eventual matchup will be? 706 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 8: I would go with Nuggets Nicks for obvious reasons, and 707 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 8: I think the eventual matchup is actually going to be 708 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 8: Thunder versus the Pacers Thunder Pacers. 709 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 4: I mean Thunders Pacer Thunder Okay, Thunders versus Pacer. 710 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, do you really think that? Are you just 711 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 2: doing a reverse cursinger? You don't want to put your jar. 712 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 7: I'm trying to get you guys clicks Oklahoma City, Indiana? 713 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 7: Are those the big traffic driving market? 714 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 4: We've all been waiting for it that Okay, see bomp 715 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 4: here it comes, Yeah, all right. Jalen Brunson in the 716 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 4: late eighties on those Ewing teams or Ewing on Brunson's 717 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 4: team right now. 718 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 7: Brunson on Ewing's team, How would anyone in that era 719 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 7: defend him? Like what would that look like? I guess 720 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 7: they could like close line him or something, and maybe 721 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 7: it didn't get called. 722 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 2: But I also think that's an interesting answer because those 723 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: were the first teams to shoot three pointers. That was 724 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 2: the Patino They called him Patinos Bombinos because they were 725 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: bad at nicknames back then, and they had like Trent Tucker. 726 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: My dad was an assistant for them, and they shot 727 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: threes and it was like, what the heck was going 728 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: on with these guys. So you get Brunson there and 729 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: he shoots as many threes as he does now, maybe 730 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 2: the NBA is ahead of where it is right now. 731 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we went through our three point era in 732 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: the nineties instead of you know, is. 733 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 8: It the inverse or we all clamoring for more mid 734 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 8: range and post ups while that, like the Boomers are 735 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 8: clamoring for, we need more threes. 736 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: You used to shoot threes, maybe Jordan is. I guess 737 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 2: he would have just been to become really good at 738 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: shooting threes. All right, I think that's the right answer. 739 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 2: Although you ing on on this team would be interesting. 740 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: I mean. 741 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 7: With ice alone. 742 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely smells like menthal atum everywhere. Dan, just a 743 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 4: little forecasting next season? What kind of uniform is Yiannis 744 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: Antople wearing? 745 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 7: He will be wearing a Spurs Jersey Spurs? 746 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 2: That is interesting. So you think they'll trade the second 747 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: pick the whatever the later first round pick they have 748 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 2: is So, here's my thing. I want more than that, 749 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: like I need future. 750 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they'll get way more than that. Like 751 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 8: I think the Spurs will be They have two, they 752 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 8: have fourteen. They have those Hawks picks they have Okay. 753 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 2: The Hawks picks is what I needed to hear. But 754 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: when do they have the Hawks picks? 755 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 8: Like next year twenty six? They have twenty six and 756 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 8: twenty seven they have control over so two more ooh. 757 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 2: That could be nice. That's juicy, spicy meat. 758 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 7: They have that Timberwolves pick. 759 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 8: I think two in twenty thirty one sill or maybe 760 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 8: they traded that. 761 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: I can't remember now, Like, I don't want Spurs picks 762 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: in the future. If I'm giving them Yannis and they 763 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: have Wenby, they will be interesting. It'll be like the 764 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: where the three point shooting is going to come from 765 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 2: on that roster? I guess you can. That's always the 766 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: thing that people are like, Yeah, you throw some shooters 767 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: out there with them, but you're gonna need some real 768 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 2: shooters because Yannis and like I don't know, Fox isn't 769 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: a great three point shooter. 770 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 8: No, And if you keep Castle, but I would I 771 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 8: would trade I'm not a Castle guy, so I would 772 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 8: trade him too if it meant getting y honest. So, yeah, 773 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 8: you're right, they would need it. Helps that Wenby's a 774 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 8: pretty good shoe, I suppose, but you would want more 775 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 8: shooters around them. 776 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. And finally, finally, would you take 777 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 2: being this is the Lakers branded question, because it only 778 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 2: makes sense for Lakers fans? Would you take being in 779 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: the lottery for the next eight seasons for a single 780 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 2: title for the I can't even say it for a 781 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 2: single title for the Knicks this year? 782 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 8: Yeah, first of all, the Knicks and the lottery would 783 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 8: be like, I would love the Knicks to have lottery picks, 784 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 8: but I guess they don't own their own picks. Is 785 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 8: that the but I would take? The Knicks haven't won 786 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 8: a title since what's seventy three? I've watched a bunch 787 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 8: of bad basketball since I've been alive, and I was 788 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 8: nowhere near alive back then. 789 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 7: I would absolutely take eight consecutive. 790 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 8: I would take I don't know what the number is, 791 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 8: but you could talk me into like a decade and 792 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 8: a half lottery appearances if it meant when it. 793 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 2: Got titled the follow up, how many until you say no? 794 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 7: I think I. 795 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 8: Start thinking once you get to twenty, that might be 796 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 8: my absolute max. 797 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 2: Those are generations just passing over. 798 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, evolving. That makes sense. 799 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Dan fa Vallee. 800 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 4: You have actually answered every single question one hundred percent correctly. 801 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: I don't know how you do. 802 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 4: It, but you're honest. Right now, man, there it is 803 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 4: the numbers. It's on the numbers. 804 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: And now you'll see that the numbers Jerseys seven, eight, 805 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: and one are behind Dan, and that is of course, 806 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: actually there's no explanation for that. There's no way to 807 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: explain why those numbers are behind him. 808 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 8: I think that tyres Aalburn is going to go off 809 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 8: for fifty points and override a bunch of the talk 810 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 8: that was on this podcast. 811 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 4: I hate to freak you out, but seven eight to 812 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 4: one is a Boston area code. 813 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: Wow. Oh, I thought that's why you did it. I 814 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 2: thought that that was a New York area code for 815 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 2: some reason. Oh my god, I'm just seeing I'm telling you. 816 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 7: What the Celtics confirmed is what I'm trying to pourtend. 817 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 7: That's number three. Pick. 818 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: There we go. 819 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: I didn't think the writing was literally on the wall, 820 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 4: but it might be. Dan Favalley, thanks again for joining us. 821 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 4: Where do the people find you? Read you, support you, 822 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 4: hear you all that. 823 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 8: They can find me on Bleacher Report and they can 824 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 8: also check out the hardwind Knocks NBA podcast. 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That's gonna do 837 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 2: it for us. 838 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 4: This week we'll be back as man. We'll see if 839 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 4: the writing was on the wall, or maybe it wasn't. 840 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 4: Who knows, who knows, but Osaka will continue bull tank, 841 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 4: bull tang. 842 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 2: See you next week. 843 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 6: Bye bye. 844 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: Your slis your should us, your should only.