Speaker 1: Media.
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm out and about right now. I got my
Speaker 2: daughter Soul with me, say what's up. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to do a quick little intro. This, if you don't know,
Speaker 2: is connected to the Behind the Bastards pod we're doing
Speaker 2: like a four part series on Robert E. Lee just legendary,
Speaker 2: horrible human. But part of that needed a primer where
Speaker 2: we talk about the lost cause in the narrative. So
Speaker 2: if you haven't listened to those other episodes from the
Speaker 2: Bastard's feed, I mean, it's fine, I guess, but like
Speaker 2: this won't make sense too much unless you understand that
Speaker 2: that's what this is about, all right, the politics of
Speaker 2: prop all right, Bastards crossover episode, the politics we prop
Speaker 2: uh and we talk about some.
Speaker 3: Of these like g moves, this gangster shit.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Robert and Sophie got into recently.
Speaker 2: You feel me, y'all willing to talk about it yet?
Speaker 2: Or we need to like play a low now.
Speaker 4: We got to know how the company is gonna want
Speaker 4: to play it.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we got to play a low right now.
Speaker 2: But just know, like these fools is these fools gay?
Speaker 2: They're getting certified over here on this side Yo saying
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm looking down when you're saying it.
Speaker 2: Like like like some sort of plausible deniability, like can't
Speaker 2: nobody see us.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't know you're talking about allegedly. Listen, listen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: now you guys got to start sounding like New York gangsters.
Speaker 2: How they be like allegedly, Like you have to say
Speaker 2: allegedly before everything. Now we allegedly and then allegedly just
Speaker 2: just just put allegedly.
Speaker 3: Before everything before everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, not true, and we are allegedly gonna continue this.
Speaker 3: This series here, all right.
Speaker 2: So first of all, welcome too politics. This is one
Speaker 2: of those things like we did with like crack sober Fest,
Speaker 2: where you know, most of the story, actually the rest
Speaker 2: of the whole story was on the The Bostards was
Speaker 2: on the Bostards podcast feed, And.
Speaker 1: What accident are we doing today?
Speaker 2: The Bostards? You know, we're gonna do the Bostards. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do drill music, isn't.
Speaker 3: It get the proper food, isn't it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: So we've been covering Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee and this is somewhat of a like let's call
Speaker 2: this like a primer, Like what are like the like
Speaker 2: supplementary like documents like content to help you understand, Like
Speaker 2: that's not a prequel, right, This isn't like a prequels,
Speaker 2: like it's supplement right.
Speaker 3: Is that a good way to put it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think that works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously I don't need to introduce the the
Speaker 2: Queen Sophie Lickterman. I don't need to introduce Robert mage
Speaker 2: y'all know who it is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We could just dive right in. Today we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about the Lost Cause, which was something that you know,
Speaker 2: continue to like it's one of those things that like,
Speaker 2: as you're telling the.
Speaker 3: Story about the Civil War and Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee, it's like these things have to keep coming up,
Speaker 2: but like at some point you got to step back
Speaker 2: and be like, well, but what is it though, because
Speaker 2: it plays such a like big role in the story,
Speaker 2: right Yeah? Yeah, so a you're giving me Robert.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I it's interesting. Like I kind of debated as
Speaker 5: I was putting together the episodes on Lee, like how
Speaker 5: much to go into the actual history of like the
Speaker 5: evolution of the Lost cos mythology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it.
Speaker 5: Like I wound up just kind of going with the
Speaker 5: idea that, well, what I should probably do is just
Speaker 5: kind of cover how parts of his life have been
Speaker 5: covered in this yeah, and leave the rest of the
Speaker 5: to you. So I'm excited for this because I didn't
Speaker 5: have to write it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: You know I'm saying, So this is like, yeah, politics,
Speaker 2: reverse Bastard type situation. So I'm gonna read the script
Speaker 2: if you will. I don't really script like Robert.
Speaker 3: Does like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it like a kind
Speaker 2: of bullet point. Yeah, we're finna get into it. But anyway,
Speaker 2: So what has continued on from from the Civil War
Speaker 2: onto now, which is some stuff that like and as
Speaker 2: we go through this, like I'm gonna be going back
Speaker 2: and forth between like what was happening chronologically and how
Speaker 2: it affects us now and how we're still seeing.
Speaker 3: Sort of a lot of parallels.
Speaker 2: I think this was the first time when discussing and
Speaker 2: I just racism in general and especially the American you know,
Speaker 2: experience of it, because it affects me so directly that
Speaker 2: this is the first time I've ever walked away and
Speaker 2: actually felt a bit of I don't know, sympathy, Like
Speaker 2: I actually like I felt bad for them, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know how I've never interested.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I was on this crazy journey, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying in in uh in this so basically I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about like what are the actual like you know,
Speaker 2: nuts and bolts of what is the Lost Cause?
Speaker 3: How did it start? Right? Why did it continue?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, how come nobody you know,
Speaker 2: stopped it in the beginning, How it looks, how it
Speaker 2: looks now? And really I'm going to connect it to
Speaker 2: January sixth.
Speaker 3: Believe or not.
Speaker 4: Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really fun.
Speaker 1: Back to another series we did together.
Speaker 3: True Insurrection. Yeah.
Speaker 5: What I think is funny about the Lost Cause stuff
Speaker 5: is that, uh, you know, as much of a failure
Speaker 5: as Lee was in fighting for everything he tried to
Speaker 5: fight for in life, the Lost Cause actually like ironically
Speaker 5: considering his basis, and it actually has been like up
Speaker 5: to this point, very successful. It's the most successful thing
Speaker 5: and the whole which is kind of like kind of
Speaker 5: disrespectful to Lee's actual legacy, you.
Speaker 3: Know, for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a phrase that came out of that
Speaker 2: that we could go to now, which is like the
Speaker 2: Confederates lost the war, but they won the peace. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and it and how they won the piece was this,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, this whole process. But I want to
Speaker 2: I want to start with a couple phrases because a
Speaker 2: lot of this is really a lot of like psychology.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of this is like why I love history,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and why I love studying
Speaker 2: this shit, and like why it's so interesting to me.
Speaker 2: One is the doc you know, uh, my wife referred
Speaker 2: to her by her prefix, put me onto this term
Speaker 2: called apistemological rupture. Yeah you heard that before, Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, so yeah, in a pistemological break. And it's
Speaker 2: like it was coined in nineteen thirty eight by French
Speaker 2: philosopher and later used by I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: this fool's name, right, Lewis. I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say his name, right, but anyway, right, So
Speaker 2: it's like, think of it like this. It's the unthought
Speaker 2: or unconscious structures that were imminent within the realm of sciences,
Speaker 2: such as the principles of division, like mind and body.
Speaker 2: The history of science, Blatcherd asserted that consisted of the
Speaker 2: formation of an establishment of epistemological obstacles that then the
Speaker 2: subsequent tearing down of those obstacles. This latter stage is
Speaker 2: called an epistemological rupture, where an unconscious obstacle to scientific
Speaker 2: thought is thoroughly ruptured or broken away from In other words,
Speaker 2: certain thoughts break your brain right, And it's when you.
Speaker 4: Had to relevant concept today.
Speaker 2: Exactly you see, I'm saying that's why I was like,
Speaker 2: this is very very much now. It's the idea of
Speaker 2: when you've established a world of just this is how
Speaker 2: the universe works, the laws of physics, you know, science,
Speaker 2: and just like but the evidence that's sitting in front
Speaker 2: of you, you just your brain can't, it just does
Speaker 2: not compute. But you have to accept it because it's
Speaker 2: looking it's looking at you. The fact that the truth
Speaker 2: of the matter air quotes truth is staring at you
Speaker 2: in the face saying you have to let go of
Speaker 2: the way that you've formed reality, right, And and it's
Speaker 2: called epistemological rupture because of epistemology is like the study
Speaker 2: of of knowing yea, yeah, yeah, It's like it's what
Speaker 2: you know, so you know it's it's when when you
Speaker 2: when you look at the sun and you from the
Speaker 2: ground and you're like, well, the Sun revolves around the
Speaker 2: Earth and you're like, well, actually no it doesn't. And
Speaker 2: then like, but it looks like it does, you know,
Speaker 2: So then you say, well, what would it look like
Speaker 2: if it really did look like the Earth was moving
Speaker 2: around the sun. Well, here's the thing. It would look
Speaker 2: like that, because that's what it's doing. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You have to like it just it breaks
Speaker 2: your brain, you know what I mean. So like you
Speaker 2: have to like rebuild all of our maps, we have
Speaker 2: to reconstruct all of our understandings of the cosmos because
Speaker 2: the Earth ain't in the center of it. That could
Speaker 2: break your brain at it don't break our brains because
Speaker 2: it's like obvious, but like certain things break your brain,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But once it's broken and
Speaker 2: you can reform reality, then we can move on and
Speaker 2: then you find another one. Like in other words, it's learning.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like this this is learning. You know that
Speaker 2: what you think something is and then you learn out
Speaker 2: it's not and you just got to let it to happen.
Speaker 2: So that keep that in mind as we talk about
Speaker 2: this now lost, cause let's really get into it wrong. So, Robert,
Speaker 2: have you ever got your ass kicked? Oh? Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: now now you are. I can tell you're a fully
Speaker 2: developed human. You're man enough to accept it, right, like
Speaker 2: if you lost, you lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just the way fighting goes.
Speaker 2: Right. You know, you've you've you've been in romantic relationships,
Speaker 2: you've been in and I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: I've gotten my ass kicked.
Speaker 2: Verbally you'm saying physically, I don't know, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes you.
Speaker 4: Are physical over that any day of the week.
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're just wrong, right, And when you're just wrong,
Speaker 2: rather than being like, well I would have if this,
Speaker 2: but still you was saying, it's like to me, that's
Speaker 2: like a true sign of like of immaturity, like that
Speaker 2: you're not fully processed.
Speaker 3: You can't embrace a l.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is like eighty percent.
Speaker 5: Especially that's a problem for like our billionaire class, like
Speaker 5: every Yeah, that's going on right now with these guys
Speaker 5: like Bill Ackman going on these weird legal crusades because
Speaker 5: like their nephew or niece said something they didn't like
Speaker 5: at dinner, Like, yeah, it's so so funny, it's so stupid,
Speaker 5: just yeah, bro, just take your l right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, so before I get into there's there's six major
Speaker 2: points of the Lost cause, like you have to understand
Speaker 2: again why this was so important and who this was
Speaker 2: really for. And to do that, you have to understand
Speaker 2: the difference between history and memory, right, because history is
Speaker 2: you know, it's bullet points, it's things that you know, timelines,
Speaker 2: things that happen on the map. But history can only
Speaker 2: be understood through storytelling, right, Like so, but storytelling, whether
Speaker 2: we accept it or not, has a purpose, and the
Speaker 2: purpose is shaping identity, right, And identity has so much
Speaker 2: more to do with memory rather than history, because memory, yeah,
Speaker 2: because memories about the future. Story is about the future,
Speaker 2: it's about the next generation, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Because if we was there, right, there's a part of
Speaker 2: you that's like, again, I have to reconstruct the way
Speaker 2: I remember something, because the idea of you just taking
Speaker 2: that l right is almost unthinkable. Right Or when you
Speaker 2: when you when there's a part of you that knows
Speaker 2: for a fact you were wrong, right, but your brain
Speaker 2: just can't you just can't let it go, right. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read this quote here from Thomas Mumford, right,
Speaker 2: who was a Confederate cavalry officer, and he says, again,
Speaker 2: but memories about the next generation. They want their kids
Speaker 2: to un understand that they were, that we we were
Speaker 2: good men. And here's the quote when asked, why are
Speaker 2: the old Confederates gathering again?
Speaker 3: And what.
Speaker 2: Are they going to get out of it? To our
Speaker 2: children and to their children's children, let it be our
Speaker 2: pride to teach them, as is done in every land
Speaker 2: where patriotism and self sacrificing spirits are honored and esteemed,
Speaker 2: that the Confederates shed their blood for their mother Virginia,
Speaker 2: defending a cause she knew to be just and right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so. It's like, I just don't want my
Speaker 3: kids to know I was a piece of shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want my kids to know that I failed, right,
Speaker 5: failed thing I should never have been trued.
Speaker 3: Because you should have never been a part of in
Speaker 3: the first place. Yep. Now this's going to sound real familiar.
Speaker 3: This is George L.
Speaker 2: Christian Christian, who was a war vet, Confederate war vet
Speaker 2: who became a judge and then a city councilman, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, fourteenth Amendment, anyone that the.
Speaker 3: Shrewd calculating, check this out.
Speaker 2: The shrewd calculating of the wealthy Northerners realize the importance
Speaker 2: to impress on the rising next generation the justice of
Speaker 2: their course, and to that end, they soon flooded our
Speaker 2: schools with the histories containing their version of the contest,
Speaker 2: and in many of these all blame is laid on
Speaker 2: the South. He was like, look, man, you're just telling
Speaker 2: your side. You're telling your side of the story. You're
Speaker 2: gonna act like it's like, oh, so it's my fault.
Speaker 3: It was our fault. It was our fault.
Speaker 2: Right, So we need to make sure the schools don't
Speaker 2: have these stories, you know what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 2: need to correct your history books, because again, it's about
Speaker 2: the future, right, and about telling a story that is
Speaker 2: formed in a way that you want to be remembered.
Speaker 3: So how do you do that? You rewrite history? Right. Now,
Speaker 3: here we go the Lost Cause.
Speaker 2: The Lost Cause itself can be kind of explained in
Speaker 2: six points, right. So the first point is, and it's
Speaker 2: the most important, right, which is that secession had little
Speaker 2: or nothing to do with the institution of slavery. So
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then we did not commit treason.
Speaker 2: It was about the state's rights, which is something we
Speaker 2: talked about in the Robert E. Lee episode, Right, because
Speaker 2: what you have to believe that, like the Confederates for
Speaker 2: this to work is like that there they were the
Speaker 2: true America, that the Union had lost its way. So
Speaker 2: if anything, they're the trees in this ones, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the lost cause. Right number two is that slavery
Speaker 2: was portrayed as a basically as a net positive right, submissive, happy,
Speaker 2: and faithful slaves were better off in the system of
Speaker 2: Chatdow slavery, which offered them protection.
Speaker 5: So like you know, but they kind of liked it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was it was better for everybody, better for our
Speaker 5: relations were better. Things got all confused and bad once
Speaker 5: we once they started having choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like they're fine, man, they're fine. Look
Speaker 3: at them, they're fine.
Speaker 2: Right. Number three is that the states the states that
Speaker 2: the Confederacy was only defeated because the Northern States had
Speaker 2: a numerical advantage of both men and resources. Right number four,
Speaker 2: The Confederate soldiers were were portrayed as heroic, galliant and
Speaker 2: saintly even after the surrender, they retained their honor right,
Speaker 2: that that was an honor that what we didn't get beat,
Speaker 2: we did the right thing. We understood that, like this
Speaker 2: bloodshed needed to stop, so it was the right thing
Speaker 2: to do for us to just like fall back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but as we've heard in the last four episodes, now
Speaker 2: y'all was getting y'll ass handed it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you guys fucked up because you made really
Speaker 5: dumb choices just at the end of the day, right.
Speaker 5: I Also I do love that, like, yeah, nah, we
Speaker 5: only lost because they were better than us, as opposed
Speaker 5: to like, yeah, that is very funny to me. But
Speaker 5: if they hadn't, if they hadn't been so much better
Speaker 5: than us, we definitely would have won. Everybody always says that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well if they if they just wasn't better fighters
Speaker 2: and more trained and have more resources and more than
Speaker 2: we would want.
Speaker 5: It's always funny to hear cope like that, especially in
Speaker 5: a post Vietnam world, because it's like, what's y'all's excuse?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what's y'all's excuse?
Speaker 3: You were the ones that were right and then that,
Speaker 3: like we talked about for the whole week is that
Speaker 3: Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee emerged as a sanctified figure, right, especially after his
Speaker 2: death in eighteen seventy, and Lee himself became a symbol
Speaker 2: for the lost cause. And then the thing called the
Speaker 2: cult of Lee, which revered the Virginia as the ultimate
Speaker 2: Christian soldier right who took up arms.
Speaker 3: For his state. Even was even called which what he
Speaker 3: wanted to be the second Washington Right.
Speaker 2: And then six zero point six, I think is to
Speaker 2: me is the most interesting, and it's the Southern women.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people don't realize the
Speaker 2: role that the women played in making this work right,
Speaker 2: is that the Southern women also steadfastly supported their cause.
Speaker 2: They sacrificed their men, They sacrificed their boys and their
Speaker 2: resources more than their northern counterparts. And they it idealized
Speaker 2: this image of the Southern bell right, this idealized pure
Speaker 2: saintly Southern woman.
Speaker 4: Who heroically feeding her to the northern guns.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and and but the Northern women they wouldn't
Speaker 2: feed they sons, not like us. We gave way more
Speaker 2: of our sons because.
Speaker 3: We believed, yeah right, we believed.
Speaker 2: So so so you you you you get this, this
Speaker 2: idea almost like the the Gone with the Wind woman,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, which actually plays a role
Speaker 2: in Lost Cause too.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: I gotta I'm gonna be like you and I gotta
Speaker 2: i gotta picture I'm gonna put into the chat here
Speaker 2: because the role that art plays is actually big in
Speaker 2: its origins. Right. So I'm pulling a lot from the
Speaker 2: the National Humanity Center at the University of Virginia. This
Speaker 2: this woman, Caroline Janey, who you could take her classes.
Speaker 2: She was, She's brilliant. She wrote a ton of books.
Speaker 2: She teaches a class every year in their graduates programs
Speaker 2: about you know, this particular time in our history of
Speaker 2: Lost Cause right now. So I'm pulling a lot from that.
Speaker 2: But it's origins obviously, they developed over time, like we
Speaker 2: talked about before, uh, it started like well, before the
Speaker 2: war was done, they started formulating. Again, while youre getting
Speaker 2: your ass kick, you gotta start coming up with excuses
Speaker 2: for why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're losing that bad, you really got to
Speaker 4: like plan ahead of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta start planning ahead of time. So what
Speaker 2: I want to show you is this this painting. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put it in here of it's called the Burial
Speaker 2: of Latin.
Speaker 1: You could also share your screen, by the way.
Speaker 2: All right, cool, So let's do this one. So you
Speaker 2: see this photo right here, So this is the it's
Speaker 2: called the again, the Burial of Litany. Now it's very
Speaker 2: important because so who it's supposed to be is that's
Speaker 2: a fallen Confederate soldier right there. It looks like a
Speaker 2: since this is an audio thing, it looks like like
Speaker 2: a Renaissance painting, if you will, Yeah, and which is purposeful.
Speaker 3: Rights the artist you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, painting by William Dickinson. Okay, so the Burial of Latain.
Speaker 3: This is by.
Speaker 2: William Littney, No, not William Litney, William Dickerson, right, is
Speaker 2: by William Dickerson. Really like huh, Billy Dicks Billy Dix right,
Speaker 2: Renaissance style. It's it's the way that it's even set up,
Speaker 2: it's almost set up like it's like it looks like
Speaker 2: like a like a Renaissance painting of like of the
Speaker 2: disciples right like, so it's like you have these very
Speaker 2: somber and sad looks like you know, mother daughters, sisters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a priest like doing like the burial rights and then
Speaker 2: it's got the whole dig dug out without the coffin
Speaker 2: put in it yet, so the coffin still sitting there,
Speaker 2: and you see the guy.
Speaker 3: Soord and he's got his like.
Speaker 4: Co or whatever.
Speaker 2: Maybe yes, yes, Now on the left is what must
Speaker 2: what has to be assumed to be his property, his slave.
Speaker 4: Yeah who or at least the families, yeah, or the families.
Speaker 2: Of yeah that lived on the plantation who dug this
Speaker 2: hole for him, and they are seem to be mourning him.
Speaker 5: Also, oh yeah, exception of the dude who dug the grave,
Speaker 5: who has this kind of like yeah, when do I
Speaker 5: get off?
Speaker 4: You know, you're done here?
Speaker 3: Just kind of like his shovel, like, are y'all done
Speaker 3: this fucking dead asshole? Yeah. So so this triumphant.
Speaker 2: Returned this somber moment that the slaves actually wanted to
Speaker 2: participate in because they actually they actually considered their owner's
Speaker 2: family right, And what they're trying to say is I'm
Speaker 2: gonna stop sharing here. What they're trying to say is
Speaker 2: this idea that again they like, they liked the system
Speaker 2: that they you know, with all the other things that
Speaker 2: went on, like the basically the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: slaves experience was more like this, where of course it
Speaker 2: got rough here and there, but if you stayed in line,
Speaker 2: your master treated you well. And really black people enjoyed this, right,
Speaker 2: and they fought for a cause to continue a way
Speaker 2: of life.
Speaker 4: Right, So.
Speaker 2: We were mourning the loss. Black people were mourning the
Speaker 2: loss of the Confederates, just like everybody else in the South.
Speaker 2: Because so this is a part of like the media blitz, right,
Speaker 2: So hundreds of pieces of art were starting to pop
Speaker 2: up around this time around these things as bodies were
Speaker 2: getting shipped home. Right, So this image like really solidifies
Speaker 2: the origin story, the original seeds of what's going to
Speaker 2: grow into the Lost Cause myth, right, because it's not
Speaker 2: really a full myth just yet, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying now, by eighteen sixty three, you know, like we
Speaker 2: said before, Lee was, I mean, he's godlike, right, he's venerated.
Speaker 4: He's perfect, he never told a lie.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, completely venerated, right, and it's farewell addressed after
Speaker 2: they surrendered, right, you already seen him as this soldier
Speaker 2: who was brave and fought to the last man. And
Speaker 2: of course, but of course, like if if this is
Speaker 2: your general after y'ad ha already surrendered. Nobody wants to
Speaker 2: hear like, well, guys, look, I ain't even want this
Speaker 2: job anyway. You know, I'm saying I could have worked
Speaker 2: for the other team.
Speaker 3: This, It is stupid. I just wanted to keep our land. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4: I was just doing it for a paycheck. And I
Speaker 4: can't believe you guys. Let me that was bad at
Speaker 4: this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really shouldn't have done this. I just need
Speaker 3: done fucked up. Yeah, my bad, Like.
Speaker 2: I just look, man, I was just trying to get
Speaker 2: the cloud right, But you didn't want to say that, right, so,
Speaker 2: but he's but he had to say again like you
Speaker 2: said that first point. Look, we were outnumbered, right, and
Speaker 2: the death toll was too high. It just wasn't worth
Speaker 2: it to keep sending these people to bleed. And that's
Speaker 2: but that's not defeat, right, Yeah, that's me being a
Speaker 2: good general. Like, we were not outnumbered, we were not rebels.
Speaker 2: We're the real patriots, right, which is all fine and dandy.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys can get together and swap war
Speaker 2: stories or whatever, right, but that's not going to make
Speaker 2: the cement settle.
Speaker 3: The cement doesn't settle until.
Speaker 2: The ladies get involved, right, And how the ladies get
Speaker 2: involved is this thing called the Ladies' Memorial associations. So
Speaker 2: what they started doing, these proper Southern bells who were
Speaker 2: and it's very important to understand this too, is like
Speaker 2: these were middle and upper class women, right because again
Speaker 2: most white people was poor like everybody else, Like you
Speaker 2: ain't really own land.
Speaker 3: You had to be like like that.
Speaker 2: This is why you know, critical race theory and intersectionality
Speaker 2: is important because it's like everybody wasn't like that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So these middle and upper class
Speaker 2: women who could only have the life they had because
Speaker 2: of slavery, like they were leisure us, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like what you guys would call like you know,
Speaker 2: welfare queens or whatever, like y'all don't ever work, you
Speaker 2: just want money, Like that's what they were. You had
Speaker 2: everybody else doing the work, so they could sit on
Speaker 2: the porch and with day fans and drink day sweet
Speaker 2: tea because somebody else is doing the work, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, back in, I mean, one of the things I
Speaker 5: think is important to get across is that like in
Speaker 5: this period before you've got washing machines, before you've got
Speaker 5: sewing machines. Yeah, for people, for most people, for people
Speaker 5: who do not have entire families enslaved to work for them.
Speaker 5: If you're like a mother or something, just keeping your
Speaker 5: family in clothes is like a full time job.
Speaker 3: It's a full time job sewing.
Speaker 5: The knitting, the repairing, you know, in addition to everything
Speaker 5: else that you've got to do. So like one of
Speaker 5: the things you have to look at from the perspective
Speaker 5: of these like Southern women, they are like fighting for
Speaker 5: their the human beings that act as their leisure saving
Speaker 5: devices exactly. Like that's a big that's really what's going
Speaker 5: on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the principal of the like they their argument, which
Speaker 2: that's a great point because their argument is like listen, dude,
Speaker 2: we're a political we're just mourning our sons, right, we
Speaker 2: just want to we just want to give our sons
Speaker 2: a proper Christian burial. But like you said, no, their
Speaker 2: entire existence. If slavery falls, we gotta go back to
Speaker 2: the river to washing clothes again, Like we got to
Speaker 2: pull this cotton out the ground, we gotta pick this corn.
Speaker 3: We go back to doing all this work in the fields.
Speaker 2: So they're like I kind of like I kind of
Speaker 2: like just having like tea parties and and you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that like sitting in the cool of
Speaker 2: the day under the JUNI for trees, Like that's kind
Speaker 2: of nice, you know what I'm saying. So their whole
Speaker 2: their whole social just think just just think Hollywood, just
Speaker 2: rich kids, Like their whole way of life is done,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, if there's nobody work in
Speaker 2: these fields. So obviously they have skin in the game.
Speaker 2: But what they started doing was again putting together this
Speaker 2: Ladies Memorial Association, and they were starting to give proper burials.
Speaker 2: And the first one, the first Ladies Memorial Association, appears
Speaker 2: to have organized in Westchester, Virginia by a woman named
Speaker 2: Mary Dunbar Williams. She was a resident of the town
Speaker 2: and she was horrified by the lack of proper burials
Speaker 2: for the Confederate soldiers who had defended defended their land. Now,
Speaker 2: as we said at the end of the Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee episode, where like the way the Union was doing
Speaker 2: was like we don't bury all soldiers on y'all's land,
Speaker 2: because fuck y'all you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 2: like I don't give a ship where y'all guys you are,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like it was like this
Speaker 2: was a part of the disrespect. Was like y'all don't
Speaker 2: even get you don't get burials, like let the birds eat.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have done this shit anyway, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So that's kind of that's kind of part
Speaker 2: of the story. And they're like, look like it or not,
Speaker 2: that's still my son right now. In May of nineteen
Speaker 2: or eighteen sixty five, she visits her sister in law
Speaker 2: Eleanor Williams Boyd, whom she recounted, this is crazy, a
Speaker 2: story of a farmer who had plowed up the bodies
Speaker 2: of two Confederate soldiers while just trying to prep the
Speaker 2: field for corn. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you just you just like you got life
Speaker 3: gotta go on. We still got to grow corn.
Speaker 2: And as you dig in the ground, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a Confederate soldier, you know, And of course that
Speaker 2: would be shocking to anybody, right, but like anyway, so
Speaker 2: these are the same women that were volunteering in the
Speaker 2: hospitals that were like they were a part of the
Speaker 2: war effort, while at the same time it was very
Speaker 2: important that they were under they were they were to
Speaker 2: be understood as just grieving mothers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like we're not. We just we
Speaker 3: just want to we just want to bury our babies.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 2: By the autumn of eighteen sixty eight, right there was
Speaker 2: like more than twenty associations organized in just Virginia. And
Speaker 2: again now I'm gonna I'm gonna switch gears again to
Speaker 2: the to the psychology of this, because like, like cemeteries,
Speaker 2: monuments are for legacy, right, it's for honor, because like
Speaker 2: I said before, like I was like I was joking
Speaker 2: about it, but that's real. It's like you get a
Speaker 2: proper burial as a way to honor, right, for us
Speaker 2: to come and look at later, like to remember again,
Speaker 2: because it's about memory. So so they felt it important
Speaker 2: to be like, well, we don't want our boys. They're
Speaker 2: saying this, we don't want our boys who have died
Speaker 2: in Vain, even though they absolutely died in Vain.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and badly, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: And a stupid, stupid war and a stupid attack owned
Speaker 5: by carried out by a guy who did.
Speaker 4: Not really know what he was doing exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to admit that, No, nobody wants
Speaker 2: to admit that, right, But the reality is, like we said,
Speaker 2: every aspect.
Speaker 3: Of Southern life was connected to slavery, right, yeah, all
Speaker 3: of it. You know.
Speaker 2: So if anything, they're just trying to preserve their parts.
Speaker 2: Now by or by eighteen sixty eight, we're obviously fully
Speaker 2: into reconstruction, right And at the end of reconstruction or
Speaker 2: at the beginning of reconstruction, after everything was all the
Speaker 2: dust had settled, the country had to declare martial law,
Speaker 2: like obviously, you know what I'm saying, Because it's like,
Speaker 2: who's gonna really agree to this shit?
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying. So you had to
Speaker 3: declare martial law.
Speaker 2: And union soldiers basically they took the states and they
Speaker 2: broke them up in the districts, right, and union union
Speaker 2: soldiers were in charge of making sure that the people
Speaker 2: behave properly. Right, but so so they wasn't loud, like
Speaker 2: they wasn't letting Confederate soldiers gather, Like y'all couldn't party,
Speaker 2: y'all couldn't kick it. It's like nah, man, because like
Speaker 2: I don't want this shit to pop up again, right,
Speaker 2: So they weren't really free to do a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they wanted to do.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 2: Jew Ball Early, that's the boy's name, Jewball Early. You
Speaker 2: heard Jewebra Early.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's We actually quoted him in the episodes
Speaker 5: on him talking about Lee. But yeah, he's a Confederate
Speaker 5: general and like an early Lost Cause proponent.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so what he does after this is he starts
Speaker 2: the United Confederate Veterans Association. Yeah, right, so he starts
Speaker 2: you know, we have veteran association, So he starts one
Speaker 2: for the Confederates, right, and they got together and was like, well,
Speaker 2: in some senses, the North is telling everybody why we fought,
Speaker 2: Like why do y'all get to say our motivations?
Speaker 3: Like let us say why we fought?
Speaker 2: And like any vet would do, like we said, to
Speaker 2: keep your sanity, especially when you know you're on the
Speaker 2: wrong side of history, is you got to spend a
Speaker 2: story for yourself right to not be a monster, right,
Speaker 2: because that process of de radicalizing, I would imagine, would
Speaker 2: be super painful. Like here's like, here's the true story
Speaker 2: for me, Like there was a guy at my high
Speaker 2: school who was a couple of years older than me,
Speaker 2: that was like full on neo Nazi boot tied skinhead, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: went to our school, right, and him and his homies,
Speaker 2: like one of my friends got jumped, like it was
Speaker 2: by this like Nazi group whatever. Right, awful by that
Speaker 2: this would happen when I was a freshman. By the
Speaker 2: time I was a senior, you know, he had graduated,
Speaker 2: He had been gone for two years. He had gotten
Speaker 2: out of that world, right, so he got so he
Speaker 2: had gotten out, and he was coming back to our
Speaker 2: school to kind of tell his story about like him
Speaker 2: coming out of and realizing a lot.
Speaker 3: Of this shit. And what it really reminded me of
Speaker 3: is like I find.
Speaker 2: I find just learning people, knowing people being to be
Speaker 2: Like I just find people interesting, Like I think, you know,
Speaker 2: some people are super funny, like they have great stories.
Speaker 2: Like so when I think about a lot of times
Speaker 2: when I think about like the Deep South and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, Like surely you went to your Paul Paul's
Speaker 2: house and he was a loving man, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And like, and you enjoyged your relationship with me.
Speaker 2: Maybe you got a really good biscuits and gravy like
Speaker 2: like recipe. But because of this wall, right that it
Speaker 2: and it sucks because I'm the wall. Because of the
Speaker 2: wall of your racism, I could never we could never
Speaker 2: experience that type of human connection with this person. And
Speaker 2: I remember when this kid came back to our school,
Speaker 2: I was like, do his fool's like super funny man?
Speaker 2: He could draw like he was like a super talented dude.
Speaker 2: And like I said, a couple of grades older than me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn man, like I was an
Speaker 2: ap art student. I was like, bro, you would have
Speaker 2: been in my art class. Like you're like you're like
Speaker 2: a cool ass dude, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: but this, but this thing that for a long time
Speaker 2: he could not let go of kept us from ever
Speaker 2: having like a real relationship. And part of what he
Speaker 2: said before.
Speaker 3: Was he was like, bro, like you know, he gave
Speaker 3: his reasons for like why he like got.
Speaker 2: Involved in all this good stuff, but like ultimately he
Speaker 2: said the whole time he's in the back of his
Speaker 2: mind was just like I don't know if I believe
Speaker 2: in you this shit, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: I just I mean, I think, like I don't like
Speaker 2: I don't know enough black people to hate him, like
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, so he was really
Speaker 2: talking about like I just I'm not really sure this
Speaker 2: is me, but it is what it is. And then
Speaker 2: finally he said part of the part of the reasons
Speaker 2: he got out of that world was he was just like,
Speaker 2: I'm just missing out on so much fun. Man, Like
Speaker 2: I have to keep lying to myself. Like he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm I I have to keep myself from just like
Speaker 2: for us, it was acknowledging. He was like, Yo, he
Speaker 2: would see us, you know, listening to Woo Tang and
Speaker 2: you know, partying and dancing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and like having a good time, and he was just like, damn,
Speaker 2: that looks fun. But my friends would kill me if
Speaker 2: I ever admitted that that was fun, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So he was just like I for a
Speaker 2: long time, I say all that to say, like this
Speaker 2: this this thing that they were gathering together for like
Speaker 2: for a long time. He would like, I'd have to
Speaker 2: keep staying in these gatherings because it was a way
Speaker 2: for me to create a sense of belonging and like
Speaker 2: to make me feel sane, like I'm I think this
Speaker 2: is crazy, but I'm gonna keep going here to tell
Speaker 2: myself that I'm not crazy. And then finally he was like, nah,
Speaker 2: it's some bullshit and got out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and then enough enough to be able to come back
Speaker 2: to the school. And I commend him, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying for being for willing to like separate himself
Speaker 2: from his whole social status.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, this whole.
Speaker 2: Society, his whole commune, because just to make a right
Speaker 2: decision like that, actually it takes a lot out of
Speaker 2: a person because you're not just pulling yourself from the ideology,
Speaker 2: you're pulling yourself from your community.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's and you know, to reinforce that. That's
Speaker 5: why I have a lot more respect for the Southerners
Speaker 5: who stayed with the Union as opposed to the ones
Speaker 5: who fought for the Confederacy, because one of those things
Speaker 5: just requires being willing to get shot, which a lot
Speaker 5: of shitty people are willing to get shot. Very few
Speaker 5: shitty people are willing to give up, like their connections
Speaker 5: to the culture they were raised in when that culture
Speaker 5: does something evil. You know, Yes, it's the same things
Speaker 5: as like, yeah, there were a lot of fucking Nazis
Speaker 5: who were willing to like go get machine gunned in
Speaker 5: the Eastern Front, but there weren't a lot of Nazis
Speaker 5: who were willing to actually stand up to Hitler. One
Speaker 5: of those things is respectable. The other just shows that
Speaker 5: you're not scared to die, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, so you got the Ladies' Memorial Association, and
Speaker 2: now you have the United Confederates Association Confederate Veterans Is Sociation.
Speaker 2: But at this point, these are still people who lived
Speaker 2: through the situation. But it's still just like oh, folks, right,
Speaker 2: like so, but now a generation is starting to be
Speaker 2: born and to come into their own mind, and they're
Speaker 2: going to start making their own decisions. They're gonna start
Speaker 2: thinking about what their parents did, and again, because history
Speaker 2: is just us, then they're probably gonna have the same
Speaker 2: logical conclusions most of us.
Speaker 3: Did to where it was just like, yeah, maybe y'all
Speaker 3: shouldn't have I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, Pop, Like, I mean, i'll see you in your
Speaker 2: homies talking about I hear what you're saying, but I
Speaker 2: sound like bullshit to me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So the next generation is where we got the first
Speaker 2: United Daughters of the Confederacy, which started in eighteen ninety four,
Speaker 2: which carried all the way to the mid twenty first century. Right,
Speaker 2: our twentieth century is it's the next generation. So now
Speaker 2: it's their job to actually solidify the Southern version of
Speaker 2: what happened. So now we're having what we could possibly
Speaker 2: actually be collectively called the Lost Cause, right, and what
Speaker 2: they were the ones that did was started building all
Speaker 2: the cemeteries in the monuments.
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 2: Thenment but the first monuments, what I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't realize are out there are monuments to
Speaker 2: the Faithful Slave, and there's one in Fort Mill, South
Speaker 2: Carolina in eighteen ninety six. Now remember plus E versus Ferguson. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember that the one Drop of Duty. Right, this
Speaker 2: is happening around the same time, right that that they're
Speaker 2: starting to establish these ideas of the faithful slave, where
Speaker 2: they're building monuments not just to their fallen soldiers, but
Speaker 2: to the good colors, right, which I at this point
Speaker 2: feel like I can't I can't wrap my mind around that,
Speaker 2: Like I honestly can't wrap my mind around it. Now,
Speaker 2: the plessy versus Ferguson. Why this is important is because
Speaker 2: this is what establishes separate but equal and real quick
Speaker 2: story down south in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: In Louisiana, you have you know, the Creole, you have
Speaker 3: the French, you have black.
Speaker 2: So now you have a lot of like actually rather
Speaker 2: wealthy black people, right, who are half French Canadians, so
Speaker 2: they're rather fair skinned. So what Plessy was was a
Speaker 2: very light skinned black man and who could now afford
Speaker 2: a ticket to get on the train, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he gets on the train, and again, since the trains
Speaker 2: were separated by color and class, right, they had this
Speaker 2: idea of like, well, let's send this light skinned dude
Speaker 2: who you can't really tell you black and that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, send him in there. And he sits,
Speaker 2: and he sits in the white person's the white people's
Speaker 2: like train cart and they're like and then while he
Speaker 2: gets there, it's a whole political stunt that they're doing.
Speaker 2: They go he asked the train guy like, hey think
Speaker 2: I should sit here, and the dude's like, yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm actually in the wrong trying because I'm black, right,
Speaker 2: And the dude's like, well, what do I do. So
Speaker 2: they're trying to say that, like you're this is absurd,
Speaker 2: right that, like you don't know what black means, Like
Speaker 2: you guys don't know what you means these laws that
Speaker 2: you're setting up, because again this is reconstruction. You don't
Speaker 2: know what it means. All this is ghastly Slavery's done.
Speaker 2: Can we please move on? And I'm showing you how
Speaker 2: stupid your thing is. At the same time, there are
Speaker 2: this movement in the South where people are like, there
Speaker 2: used to be a time that black people knew they plays, right,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna build monuments to that, right, which is
Speaker 2: all part of this this media narrative where we're looking
Speaker 2: at the same thing, but we're telling two different stories, right,
Speaker 2: so so, and it's the Daughters of the Confederacy that's
Speaker 2: like starting to make all this shit happen.
Speaker 3: Right, and then and then this kicks off the the
Speaker 3: full media blitz.
Speaker 2: Right there's a Lee monument that pops up in May
Speaker 2: of eighteen ninety Then there's a thing called the Confederates
Speaker 2: Magazine in eighteen ninety three. And I'm still like, I
Speaker 2: still can't stress enough, Like you lost, Like y'all you're
Speaker 2: the Lucy, you're the losing team. And again this goes
Speaker 2: back to that thing we're saying before. It's because the
Speaker 2: Union won the war, but the Confederates won the piece.
Speaker 2: And this is how they're winning the piece. They kept
Speaker 2: the story going, right, if you keep the story going,
Speaker 2: which again brings us to now, like, how are we
Speaker 2: literally watching We're watching a Supreme Court decide if President
Speaker 2: Trump was actually a part of the insurrection or not, Like,
Speaker 2: because he kept his story alive. If you keep his
Speaker 2: if he keeps the narrative of live, it skews reality
Speaker 2: to a way to where we actually have to engage
Speaker 2: in something that clearly we're looking at the idea of
Speaker 2: saying that like no person with can hold office, who
Speaker 2: took an oath, who can you know and engage an insurrection?
Speaker 2: And now you actually arguing if the president is in office,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I you're this is how you win
Speaker 2: the piece. You keep the story the way you want
Speaker 2: it to go.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So they had a magazine he was up, he's just
Speaker 1: doing revisionist history.
Speaker 4: Well, he's smith, he's wordsmithing.
Speaker 5: It's this constant thing that like centrists and liberals never get,
Speaker 5: which is that the fight isn't just over because you
Speaker 5: beat them once, Like if they're willing to keep fighting,
Speaker 5: and you decide, oh I want to keep I want
Speaker 5: to get on with my life. I don't want to
Speaker 5: keep like rehashing this shit. Let's just ignore them. Yes,
Speaker 5: then like they they they can turn a loss into
Speaker 5: a win, Like it's what keeps happening with these people,
Speaker 5: and it's purely the result of not being willing to
Speaker 5: continue throwing down, like you have to actually break the
Speaker 5: sons of bitches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for me, I have this like constant
Speaker 1: flashback to what happened when they when they announced Biden
Speaker 1: won the twenty twenty election. Yeah, and I and I
Speaker 1: used to live in West Hollywood and people were cheering
Speaker 1: in the streets. John Legend and Christy Tagan were in there, like, bro,
Speaker 1: I saw this.
Speaker 3: Yes, We're in their car through the moon roof. They're
Speaker 3: waving like their Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: Like they had just done it. And I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, that was cool? That that that I mean cool.
Speaker 1: I mean it's great that Trump didn't get re elected
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, it's sad that that that that was great,
Speaker 1: But like that wasn't even like we're not that was
Speaker 1: that was barely even step one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't even step one. Yeah, yeah you gave up.
Speaker 3: You just you won.
Speaker 2: And that's it, right, you're thinking that, Yeah, you're not
Speaker 2: paying attention to like how the storytelling needs to continue
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 3: Right, So, and that's what they started doing.
Speaker 2: They were selling magazines, you dude, that and and in
Speaker 2: this magazine was the first movie advertisement for the first movie,
Speaker 2: Birth of a Nation.
Speaker 3: Right, So you they were printing magazines and they was
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 2: So look we got magazines, now we got movies, right,
Speaker 2: and you know Birth of a Nation, right, obviously, that's
Speaker 2: that's introduced the world to the Klan.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You could buy merch, you could buy like oh Confederate
Speaker 2: like like uniforms.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They promoted lynching events like and so like it's like, yo,
Speaker 2: come on Sunday after church, we're finna hang somebody you
Speaker 2: feel me brings brings some potatoes, you know, so like
Speaker 2: you would you you're, you're, you're. It's essentially it's their
Speaker 2: version of Twitter, right, it's their version of social media.
Speaker 2: Like we when you can control the media, you make
Speaker 2: it seem a little more fun because it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I just bought a little uniform for my kids.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Now, it's just about Virginia.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He's just honoring his grandpa,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So so, yeah, you could they were going to see movies, right,
Speaker 2: you could buy merch right and yeah, and this magazine
Speaker 2: like started in eighteen ninety three, like it continued for decades. Right,
Speaker 2: they continue to sell this magazine. Right, they would have
Speaker 2: like essay contests and quizzes. Right they would. Now this
Speaker 2: should also make a sound familiar to you too. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't make sure that schools had the correct version of history.
Speaker 2: And how would they do that? They would join the
Speaker 2: school boards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's always the path to victory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always, Yeah, so they you know, it's these magazines,
Speaker 2: these essay contests like on some like Highlights magazine.
Speaker 3: You remember Highlights Magazine.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like all these different things
Speaker 2: that again, because it's about the kids, it's about getting
Speaker 2: them involved. And then you make sure that your kids
Speaker 2: at they school got the correct version of history, right,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 3: Tried and true way to do.
Speaker 2: Now, the question one would ask, which will cover the
Speaker 2: next time, which we'll cover in the next episode, is
Speaker 2: how to hell did this shit stick right, because you're like,
Speaker 2: if you're the Union and you won, like why are
Speaker 2: you not? Why are you not pushing back? Like why
Speaker 2: are you not every time? Which again is something that
Speaker 2: we could ask ourselves in these days.
Speaker 3: Like why like.
Speaker 2: How is a man with ninety one felony charges? Like
Speaker 2: why did y'all not shut this down? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like we talked about at the end of
Speaker 2: the fourth episode with Robert E. Lee where it was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: we actually should have executed these niggas, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, had we have executed them, right, maybe
Speaker 2: that would have been a thing, right, But but you're
Speaker 2: I just it's hard to understand how they didn't shut
Speaker 2: it down, and the fact is they actually tried to.
Speaker 3: They really did try, you know.
Speaker 2: And in then in in this next episode, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about how they tried.
Speaker 3: And why it didn't work. Yeah, yeah, so all I yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually thought this was gonna be one episode. My bad. Anyways, Cool,
Speaker 3: it's cool.
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