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Speaker 2: Yo, I'm out and about right now. I got my

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Speaker 2: daughter Soul with me, say what's up. But I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do a quick little intro. This, if you don't know,

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Speaker 2: is connected to the Behind the Bastards pod we're doing

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Speaker 2: like a four part series on Robert E. Lee just legendary,

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Speaker 2: horrible human. But part of that needed a primer where

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Speaker 2: we talk about the lost cause in the narrative. So

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Speaker 2: if you haven't listened to those other episodes from the

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Speaker 2: Bastard's feed, I mean, it's fine, I guess, but like

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Speaker 2: this won't make sense too much unless you understand that

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Speaker 2: that's what this is about, all right, the politics of

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Speaker 2: prop all right, Bastards crossover episode, the politics we prop

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Speaker 2: uh and we talk about some.

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Speaker 3: Of these like g moves, this gangster shit.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Robert and Sophie got into recently.

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Speaker 2: You feel me, y'all willing to talk about it yet?

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Speaker 2: Or we need to like play a low now.

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Speaker 4: We got to know how the company is gonna want

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Speaker 4: to play it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we got to play a low right now.

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Speaker 2: But just know, like these fools is these fools gay?

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Speaker 2: They're getting certified over here on this side Yo saying

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm looking down when you're saying it.

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Speaker 2: Like like like some sort of plausible deniability, like can't

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Speaker 2: nobody see us.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you're talking about allegedly. Listen, listen, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: now you guys got to start sounding like New York gangsters.

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Speaker 2: How they be like allegedly, Like you have to say

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Speaker 2: allegedly before everything. Now we allegedly and then allegedly just

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Speaker 2: just just put allegedly.

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Speaker 3: Before everything before everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, not true, and we are allegedly gonna continue this.

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Speaker 3: This series here, all right.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, welcome too politics. This is one

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Speaker 2: of those things like we did with like crack sober Fest,

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Speaker 2: where you know, most of the story, actually the rest

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Speaker 2: of the whole story was on the The Bostards was

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Speaker 2: on the Bostards podcast feed, And.

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Speaker 1: What accident are we doing today?

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Speaker 2: The Bostards? You know, we're gonna do the Bostards. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna do drill music, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It get the proper food, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: So we've been covering Robert E.

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Speaker 2: Lee and this is somewhat of a like let's call

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Speaker 2: this like a primer, Like what are like the like

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Speaker 2: supplementary like documents like content to help you understand, Like

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Speaker 2: that's not a prequel, right, This isn't like a prequels,

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Speaker 2: like it's supplement right.

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Speaker 3: Is that a good way to put it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think that works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously I don't need to introduce the the

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Speaker 2: Queen Sophie Lickterman. I don't need to introduce Robert mage

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Speaker 2: y'all know who it is. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: We could just dive right in. Today we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about the Lost Cause, which was something that you know,

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Speaker 2: continue to like it's one of those things that like,

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Speaker 2: as you're telling the.

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Speaker 3: Story about the Civil War and Robert E.

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Speaker 2: Lee, it's like these things have to keep coming up,

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Speaker 2: but like at some point you got to step back

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Speaker 2: it plays such a like big role in the story,

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Speaker 2: right Yeah? Yeah, so a you're giving me Robert.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I it's interesting. Like I kind of debated as

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Speaker 5: I was putting together the episodes on Lee, like how

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Speaker 5: much to go into the actual history of like the

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Speaker 5: evolution of the Lost cos mythology.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it.

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Speaker 5: Like I wound up just kind of going with the

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Speaker 5: idea that, well, what I should probably do is just

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Speaker 5: kind of cover how parts of his life have been

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Speaker 5: covered in this yeah, and leave the rest of the

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Speaker 5: to you. So I'm excited for this because I didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: You know I'm saying, So this is like, yeah, politics,

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Speaker 2: reverse Bastard type situation. So I'm gonna read the script

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Speaker 2: if you will. I don't really script like Robert.

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Speaker 3: Does like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it like a kind

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Speaker 2: of bullet point. Yeah, we're finna get into it. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: So what has continued on from from the Civil War

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Speaker 3: Sort of a lot of parallels.

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Speaker 2: I think this was the first time when discussing and

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Speaker 2: I just racism in general and especially the American you know,

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Speaker 2: actually felt a bit of I don't know, sympathy, Like

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Speaker 2: I actually like I felt bad for them, Like I

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Speaker 2: don't know how I've never interested.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was on this crazy journey, you know what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying in in uh in this so basically I'm going

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Speaker 2: to talk about like what are the actual like you know,

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Speaker 3: How did it start? Right? Why did it continue?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, how come nobody you know,

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Speaker 2: stopped it in the beginning, How it looks, how it

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Speaker 2: looks now? And really I'm going to connect it to

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Speaker 2: January sixth.

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Speaker 3: Believe or not.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really fun.

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Speaker 1: Back to another series we did together.

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Speaker 3: True Insurrection. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What I think is funny about the Lost Cause stuff

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Speaker 5: as Lee was in fighting for everything he tried to

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Speaker 5: fight for in life, the Lost Cause actually like ironically

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Speaker 5: considering his basis, and it actually has been like up

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Speaker 5: and the whole which is kind of like kind of

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Speaker 3: Know, for real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a phrase that came out of that

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Speaker 2: Confederates lost the war, but they won the peace. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and and it and how they won the piece was this,

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Speaker 2: lot of this is really a lot of like psychology.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of this is like why I love history,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and why I love studying

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Speaker 2: One is the doc you know, uh, my wife referred

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Speaker 2: called apistemological rupture. Yeah you heard that before, Yeah yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: like it was coined in nineteen thirty eight by French

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Speaker 2: this fool's name, right, Lewis. I don't know, I'm not

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Speaker 2: it's like, think of it like this. It's the unthought

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Speaker 2: or unconscious structures that were imminent within the realm of sciences,

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Speaker 2: such as the principles of division, like mind and body.

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Speaker 2: The history of science, Blatcherd asserted that consisted of the

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Speaker 2: formation of an establishment of epistemological obstacles that then the

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Speaker 2: subsequent tearing down of those obstacles. This latter stage is

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Speaker 2: called an epistemological rupture, where an unconscious obstacle to scientific

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Speaker 2: thought is thoroughly ruptured or broken away from In other words,

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Speaker 2: certain thoughts break your brain right, And it's when you.

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Speaker 4: Had to relevant concept today.

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Speaker 2: Exactly you see, I'm saying that's why I was like,

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Speaker 2: and just like but the evidence that's sitting in front

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Speaker 2: not compute. But you have to accept it because it's

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Speaker 2: looking it's looking at you. The fact that the truth

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Speaker 2: of the matter air quotes truth is staring at you

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Speaker 2: the way that you've formed reality, right, And and it's

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Speaker 2: called epistemological rupture because of epistemology is like the study

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Speaker 2: of of knowing yea, yeah, yeah, It's like it's what

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Speaker 2: it's like obvious, but like certain things break your brain,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, like this this is learning. You know that

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Speaker 2: it's not and you just got to let it to happen.

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Speaker 2: So that keep that in mind as we talk about

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Speaker 2: this now lost, cause let's really get into it wrong. So, Robert,

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Speaker 2: have you ever got your ass kicked? Oh? Yeah, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: now now you are. I can tell you're a fully

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Speaker 2: if you lost, you lost.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just the way fighting goes.

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Speaker 2: Right. You know, you've you've you've been in romantic relationships,

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Speaker 2: you've been in and I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 4: I've gotten my ass kicked.

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Speaker 2: Verbally you'm saying physically, I don't know, you know what

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Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes you.

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Speaker 4: Are physical over that any day of the week.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you're just wrong, right, And when you're just wrong,

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Speaker 2: rather than being like, well I would have if this,

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Speaker 2: but still you was saying, it's like to me, that's

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Speaker 2: like a true sign of like of immaturity, like that

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Speaker 2: you're not fully processed.

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Speaker 3: You can't embrace a l.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is like eighty percent.

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Speaker 5: Especially that's a problem for like our billionaire class, like

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Speaker 5: every Yeah, that's going on right now with these guys

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Speaker 5: like Bill Ackman going on these weird legal crusades because

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Speaker 5: like their nephew or niece said something they didn't like

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Speaker 5: at dinner, Like, yeah, it's so so funny, it's so stupid,

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Speaker 5: just yeah, bro, just take your l right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, so before I get into there's there's six major

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Speaker 2: points of the Lost cause, like you have to understand

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Speaker 2: again why this was so important and who this was

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Speaker 2: really for. And to do that, you have to understand

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Speaker 2: the difference between history and memory, right, because history is

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Speaker 3: So how do you do that? You rewrite history? Right. Now,

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Speaker 2: Right. Number three is that the states the states that

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Speaker 2: The Confederate soldiers were were portrayed as heroic, galliant and

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Speaker 2: to do for us to just like fall back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but as we've heard in the last four episodes, now

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you guys fucked up because you made really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well if they if they just wasn't better fighters

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Speaker 3: For his state. Even was even called which what he

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Speaker 3: We believed, yeah right, we believed.

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Speaker 2: So so so you you you you get this, this

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, which actually plays a role

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Speaker 2: She was, She's brilliant. She wrote a ton of books.

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Speaker 2: But it's origins obviously, they developed over time, like we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're losing that bad, you really got to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta start planning ahead of time. So what

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Speaker 2: All right, cool, So let's do this one. So you

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Speaker 2: William Littney, No, not William Litney, William Dickerson, right, is

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Speaker 3: Soord and he's got his like.

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Speaker 4: Co or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah who or at least the families, yeah, or the families.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're done here?

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Speaker 2: We were mourning the loss. Black people were mourning the

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Speaker 4: He's perfect, he never told a lie.

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Speaker 2: job anyway. You know, I'm saying I could have worked

438
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: for the other team.

439
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: This, It is stupid. I just wanted to keep our land. Yeah,

440
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like.

441
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 4: I was just doing it for a paycheck. And I

442
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 4: can't believe you guys. Let me that was bad at

443
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 4: this shit.

444
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really shouldn't have done this. I just need

445
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: done fucked up. Yeah, my bad, Like.

446
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: I just look, man, I was just trying to get

447
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: the cloud right, But you didn't want to say that, right, so,

448
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: but he's but he had to say again like you

449
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: said that first point. Look, we were outnumbered, right, and

450
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: the death toll was too high. It just wasn't worth

451
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: it to keep sending these people to bleed. And that's

452
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: but that's not defeat, right, Yeah, that's me being a

453
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: good general. Like, we were not outnumbered, we were not rebels.

454
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: We're the real patriots, right, which is all fine and dandy.

455
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: You know, you guys can get together and swap war

456
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: stories or whatever, right, but that's not going to make

457
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: the cement settle.

458
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: The cement doesn't settle until.

459
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: The ladies get involved, right, And how the ladies get

460
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: involved is this thing called the Ladies' Memorial associations. So

461
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: what they started doing, these proper Southern bells who were

462
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: and it's very important to understand this too, is like

463
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: these were middle and upper class women, right because again

464
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: most white people was poor like everybody else, Like you

465
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: ain't really own land.

466
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: You had to be like like that.

467
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: This is why you know, critical race theory and intersectionality

468
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: is important because it's like everybody wasn't like that, you

469
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So these middle and upper class

470
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: women who could only have the life they had because

471
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: of slavery, like they were leisure us, you know what

472
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like what you guys would call like you know,

473
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: welfare queens or whatever, like y'all don't ever work, you

474
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: just want money, Like that's what they were. You had

475
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: everybody else doing the work, so they could sit on

476
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: the porch and with day fans and drink day sweet

477
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: tea because somebody else is doing the work, you know

478
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

479
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, back in, I mean, one of the things I

480
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 5: think is important to get across is that like in

481
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 5: this period before you've got washing machines, before you've got

482
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: sewing machines. Yeah, for people, for most people, for people

483
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 5: who do not have entire families enslaved to work for them.

484
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: If you're like a mother or something, just keeping your

485
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: family in clothes is like a full time job.

486
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: It's a full time job sewing.

487
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 5: The knitting, the repairing, you know, in addition to everything

488
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 5: else that you've got to do. So like one of

489
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: the things you have to look at from the perspective

490
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 5: of these like Southern women, they are like fighting for

491
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: their the human beings that act as their leisure saving

492
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 5: devices exactly. Like that's a big that's really what's going

493
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: on here.

494
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the principal of the like they their argument, which

495
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: that's a great point because their argument is like listen, dude,

496
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: we're a political we're just mourning our sons, right, we

497
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: just want to we just want to give our sons

498
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: a proper Christian burial. But like you said, no, their

499
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: entire existence. If slavery falls, we gotta go back to

500
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: the river to washing clothes again, Like we got to

501
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: pull this cotton out the ground, we gotta pick this corn.

502
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: We go back to doing all this work in the fields.

503
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: So they're like I kind of like I kind of

504
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: like just having like tea parties and and you know

505
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that like sitting in the cool of

506
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: the day under the JUNI for trees, Like that's kind

507
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: of nice, you know what I'm saying. So their whole

508
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: their whole social just think just just think Hollywood, just

509
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: rich kids, Like their whole way of life is done,

510
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, if there's nobody work in

511
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: these fields. So obviously they have skin in the game.

512
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: But what they started doing was again putting together this

513
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: Ladies Memorial Association, and they were starting to give proper burials.

514
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: And the first one, the first Ladies Memorial Association, appears

515
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: to have organized in Westchester, Virginia by a woman named

516
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: Mary Dunbar Williams. She was a resident of the town

517
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: and she was horrified by the lack of proper burials

518
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: for the Confederate soldiers who had defended defended their land. Now,

519
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: as we said at the end of the Robert E.

520
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: Lee episode, where like the way the Union was doing

521
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: was like we don't bury all soldiers on y'all's land,

522
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: because fuck y'all you know what I'm saying. So it's

523
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: like I don't give a ship where y'all guys you are,

524
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like it was like this

525
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: was a part of the disrespect. Was like y'all don't

526
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: even get you don't get burials, like let the birds eat.

527
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have done this shit anyway, you know what

528
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So that's kind of that's kind of part

529
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: of the story. And they're like, look like it or not,

530
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: that's still my son right now. In May of nineteen

531
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: or eighteen sixty five, she visits her sister in law

532
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: Eleanor Williams Boyd, whom she recounted, this is crazy, a

533
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: story of a farmer who had plowed up the bodies

534
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: of two Confederate soldiers while just trying to prep the

535
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: field for corn. Yeah.

536
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, you just you just like you got life

537
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: gotta go on. We still got to grow corn.

538
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: And as you dig in the ground, it's like, oh,

539
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: there's a Confederate soldier, you know, And of course that

540
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: would be shocking to anybody, right, but like anyway, so

541
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: these are the same women that were volunteering in the

542
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: hospitals that were like they were a part of the

543
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: war effort, while at the same time it was very

544
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: important that they were under they were they were to

545
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: be understood as just grieving mothers.

546
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like we're not. We just we

547
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: just want to we just want to bury our babies.

548
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Right now.

549
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: By the autumn of eighteen sixty eight, right there was

550
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: like more than twenty associations organized in just Virginia. And

551
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: again now I'm gonna I'm gonna switch gears again to

552
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: the to the psychology of this, because like, like cemeteries,

553
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: monuments are for legacy, right, it's for honor, because like

554
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I said before, like I was like I was joking

555
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: about it, but that's real. It's like you get a

556
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: proper burial as a way to honor, right, for us

557
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: to come and look at later, like to remember again,

558
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: because it's about memory. So so they felt it important

559
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: to be like, well, we don't want our boys. They're

560
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: saying this, we don't want our boys who have died

561
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: in Vain, even though they absolutely died in Vain.

562
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and badly, yeah yeah.

563
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: And a stupid, stupid war and a stupid attack owned

564
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: by carried out by a guy who did.

565
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 4: Not really know what he was doing exactly.

566
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to admit that, No, nobody wants

567
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: to admit that, right, But the reality is, like we said,

568
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: every aspect.

569
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: Of Southern life was connected to slavery, right, yeah, all

570
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: of it. You know.

571
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: So if anything, they're just trying to preserve their parts.

572
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Now by or by eighteen sixty eight, we're obviously fully

573
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: into reconstruction, right And at the end of reconstruction or

574
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: at the beginning of reconstruction, after everything was all the

575
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: dust had settled, the country had to declare martial law,

576
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: like obviously, you know what I'm saying, Because it's like,

577
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: who's gonna really agree to this shit?

578
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying. So you had to

579
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: declare martial law.

580
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: And union soldiers basically they took the states and they

581
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: broke them up in the districts, right, and union union

582
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: soldiers were in charge of making sure that the people

583
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: behave properly. Right, but so so they wasn't loud, like

584
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: they wasn't letting Confederate soldiers gather, Like y'all couldn't party,

585
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: y'all couldn't kick it. It's like nah, man, because like

586
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't want this shit to pop up again, right,

587
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: So they weren't really free to do a lot of

588
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: the stuff that they wanted to do.

589
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: Right now.

590
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Jew Ball Early, that's the boy's name, Jewball Early. You

591
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: heard Jewebra Early.

592
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's We actually quoted him in the episodes

593
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 5: on him talking about Lee. But yeah, he's a Confederate

594
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 5: general and like an early Lost Cause proponent.

595
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

596
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: So so what he does after this is he starts

597
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: the United Confederate Veterans Association. Yeah, right, so he starts

598
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, we have veteran association, So he starts one

599
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: for the Confederates, right, and they got together and was like, well,

600
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: in some senses, the North is telling everybody why we fought,

601
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Like why do y'all get to say our motivations?

602
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: Like let us say why we fought?

603
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: And like any vet would do, like we said, to

604
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: keep your sanity, especially when you know you're on the

605
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: wrong side of history, is you got to spend a

606
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: story for yourself right to not be a monster, right,

607
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: because that process of de radicalizing, I would imagine, would

608
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: be super painful. Like here's like, here's the true story

609
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: for me, Like there was a guy at my high

610
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: school who was a couple of years older than me,

611
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: that was like full on neo Nazi boot tied skinhead, right, yeah,

612
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: went to our school, right, and him and his homies,

613
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: like one of my friends got jumped, like it was

614
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: by this like Nazi group whatever. Right, awful by that

615
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: this would happen when I was a freshman. By the

616
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: time I was a senior, you know, he had graduated,

617
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: He had been gone for two years. He had gotten

618
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: out of that world, right, so he got so he

619
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: had gotten out, and he was coming back to our

620
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: school to kind of tell his story about like him

621
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: coming out of and realizing a lot.

622
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: Of this shit. And what it really reminded me of

623
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: is like I find.

624
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: I find just learning people, knowing people being to be

625
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: Like I just find people interesting, Like I think, you know,

626
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: some people are super funny, like they have great stories.

627
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: Like so when I think about a lot of times

628
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: when I think about like the Deep South and stuff

629
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: like that, Like surely you went to your Paul Paul's

630
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: house and he was a loving man, you know what

631
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And like, and you enjoyged your relationship with me.

632
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: Maybe you got a really good biscuits and gravy like

633
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: like recipe. But because of this wall, right that it

634
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: and it sucks because I'm the wall. Because of the

635
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: wall of your racism, I could never we could never

636
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: experience that type of human connection with this person. And

637
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: I remember when this kid came back to our school,

638
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: I was like, do his fool's like super funny man?

639
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: He could draw like he was like a super talented dude.

640
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: And like I said, a couple of grades older than me,

641
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn man, like I was an

642
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: ap art student. I was like, bro, you would have

643
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: been in my art class. Like you're like you're like

644
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: a cool ass dude, you know what I'm saying. And

645
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: but this, but this thing that for a long time

646
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: he could not let go of kept us from ever

647
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: having like a real relationship. And part of what he

648
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: said before.

649
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Was he was like, bro, like you know, he gave

650
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: his reasons for like why he like got.

651
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: Involved in all this good stuff, but like ultimately he

652
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: said the whole time he's in the back of his

653
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: mind was just like I don't know if I believe

654
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: in you this shit, you know what I'm saying, Like

655
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: I just I mean, I think, like I don't like

656
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: I don't know enough black people to hate him, like

657
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, so he was really

658
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: talking about like I just I'm not really sure this

659
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: is me, but it is what it is. And then

660
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: finally he said part of the part of the reasons

661
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: he got out of that world was he was just like,

662
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm just missing out on so much fun. Man, Like

663
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: I have to keep lying to myself. Like he was like,

664
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm I I have to keep myself from just like

665
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: for us, it was acknowledging. He was like, Yo, he

666
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: would see us, you know, listening to Woo Tang and

667
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: you know, partying and dancing, you know what I'm saying,

668
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: and like having a good time, and he was just like, damn,

669
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: that looks fun. But my friends would kill me if

670
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: I ever admitted that that was fun, you know what

671
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So he was just like I for a

672
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: long time, I say all that to say, like this

673
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: this this thing that they were gathering together for like

674
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: for a long time. He would like, I'd have to

675
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: keep staying in these gatherings because it was a way

676
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: for me to create a sense of belonging and like

677
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: to make me feel sane, like I'm I think this

678
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: is crazy, but I'm gonna keep going here to tell

679
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: myself that I'm not crazy. And then finally he was like, nah,

680
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: it's some bullshit and got out, you know what I mean,

681
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: and then enough enough to be able to come back

682
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: to the school. And I commend him, you know what

683
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying for being for willing to like separate himself

684
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: from his whole social status.

685
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, this whole.

686
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: Society, his whole commune, because just to make a right

687
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: decision like that, actually it takes a lot out of

688
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: a person because you're not just pulling yourself from the ideology,

689
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: you're pulling yourself from your community.

690
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's and you know, to reinforce that. That's

691
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 5: why I have a lot more respect for the Southerners

692
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: who stayed with the Union as opposed to the ones

693
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 5: who fought for the Confederacy, because one of those things

694
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: just requires being willing to get shot, which a lot

695
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 5: of shitty people are willing to get shot. Very few

696
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: shitty people are willing to give up, like their connections

697
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 5: to the culture they were raised in when that culture

698
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: does something evil. You know, Yes, it's the same things

699
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 5: as like, yeah, there were a lot of fucking Nazis

700
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: who were willing to like go get machine gunned in

701
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 5: the Eastern Front, but there weren't a lot of Nazis

702
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 5: who were willing to actually stand up to Hitler. One

703
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: of those things is respectable. The other just shows that

704
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: you're not scared to die, yes, exactly.

705
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: So, yeah, so you got the Ladies' Memorial Association, and

706
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: now you have the United Confederates Association Confederate Veterans Is Sociation.

707
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: But at this point, these are still people who lived

708
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: through the situation. But it's still just like oh, folks, right,

709
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: like so, but now a generation is starting to be

710
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: born and to come into their own mind, and they're

711
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: going to start making their own decisions. They're gonna start

712
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: thinking about what their parents did, and again, because history

713
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: is just us, then they're probably gonna have the same

714
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: logical conclusions most of us.

715
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: Did to where it was just like, yeah, maybe y'all

716
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: shouldn't have I don't.

717
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: Know, Pop, Like, I mean, i'll see you in your

718
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: homies talking about I hear what you're saying, but I

719
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: sound like bullshit to me, you know what I'm saying.

720
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: So the next generation is where we got the first

721
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: United Daughters of the Confederacy, which started in eighteen ninety four,

722
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: which carried all the way to the mid twenty first century. Right,

723
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: our twentieth century is it's the next generation. So now

724
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: it's their job to actually solidify the Southern version of

725
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: what happened. So now we're having what we could possibly

726
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: actually be collectively called the Lost Cause, right, and what

727
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: they were the ones that did was started building all

728
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: the cemeteries in the monuments.

729
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: Right, So.

730
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: Thenment but the first monuments, what I think a lot

731
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: of people don't realize are out there are monuments to

732
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: the Faithful Slave, and there's one in Fort Mill, South

733
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: Carolina in eighteen ninety six. Now remember plus E versus Ferguson. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: I remember that the one Drop of Duty. Right, this

735
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: is happening around the same time, right that that they're

736
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: starting to establish these ideas of the faithful slave, where

737
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: they're building monuments not just to their fallen soldiers, but

738
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: to the good colors, right, which I at this point

739
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: feel like I can't I can't wrap my mind around that,

740
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Like I honestly can't wrap my mind around it. Now,

741
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: the plessy versus Ferguson. Why this is important is because

742
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: this is what establishes separate but equal and real quick

743
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: story down south in New Orleans.

744
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: In Louisiana, you have you know, the Creole, you have

745
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: the French, you have black.

746
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: So now you have a lot of like actually rather

747
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: wealthy black people, right, who are half French Canadians, so

748
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: they're rather fair skinned. So what Plessy was was a

749
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: very light skinned black man and who could now afford

750
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: a ticket to get on the train, right, Yeah, so

751
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: he gets on the train, and again, since the trains

752
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: were separated by color and class, right, they had this

753
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: idea of like, well, let's send this light skinned dude

754
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: who you can't really tell you black and that, you

755
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, send him in there. And he sits,

756
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: and he sits in the white person's the white people's

757
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: like train cart and they're like and then while he

758
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: gets there, it's a whole political stunt that they're doing.

759
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: They go he asked the train guy like, hey think

760
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: I should sit here, and the dude's like, yeah, why not.

761
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm actually in the wrong trying because I'm black, right,

762
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: And the dude's like, well, what do I do. So

763
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to say that, like you're this is absurd,

764
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: right that, like you don't know what black means, Like

765
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: you guys don't know what you means these laws that

766
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: you're setting up, because again this is reconstruction. You don't

767
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: know what it means. All this is ghastly Slavery's done.

768
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: Can we please move on? And I'm showing you how

769
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: stupid your thing is. At the same time, there are

770
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: this movement in the South where people are like, there

771
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: used to be a time that black people knew they plays, right,

772
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: and we're gonna build monuments to that, right, which is

773
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: all part of this this media narrative where we're looking

774
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: at the same thing, but we're telling two different stories, right,

775
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: so so, and it's the Daughters of the Confederacy that's

776
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: like starting to make all this shit happen.

777
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: Right, and then and then this kicks off the the

778
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: full media blitz.

779
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: Right there's a Lee monument that pops up in May

780
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: of eighteen ninety Then there's a thing called the Confederates

781
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: Magazine in eighteen ninety three. And I'm still like, I

782
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: still can't stress enough, Like you lost, Like y'all you're

783
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: the Lucy, you're the losing team. And again this goes

784
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: back to that thing we're saying before. It's because the

785
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: Union won the war, but the Confederates won the piece.

786
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: And this is how they're winning the piece. They kept

787
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: the story going, right, if you keep the story going,

788
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: which again brings us to now, like, how are we

789
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: literally watching We're watching a Supreme Court decide if President

790
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Trump was actually a part of the insurrection or not, Like,

791
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: because he kept his story alive. If you keep his

792
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: if he keeps the narrative of live, it skews reality

793
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: to a way to where we actually have to engage

794
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: in something that clearly we're looking at the idea of

795
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: saying that like no person with can hold office, who

796
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: took an oath, who can you know and engage an insurrection?

797
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: And now you actually arguing if the president is in office,

798
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I you're this is how you win

799
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: the piece. You keep the story the way you want

800
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: it to go.

801
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: Right.

802
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: So they had a magazine he was up, he's just

803
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: doing revisionist history.

804
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 4: Well, he's smith, he's wordsmithing.

805
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 5: It's this constant thing that like centrists and liberals never get,

806
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: which is that the fight isn't just over because you

807
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: beat them once, Like if they're willing to keep fighting,

808
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 5: and you decide, oh I want to keep I want

809
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: to get on with my life. I don't want to

810
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 5: keep like rehashing this shit. Let's just ignore them. Yes,

811
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 5: then like they they they can turn a loss into

812
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 5: a win, Like it's what keeps happening with these people,

813
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 5: and it's purely the result of not being willing to

814
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: continue throwing down, like you have to actually break the

815
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 5: sons of bitches.

816
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for me, I have this like constant

817
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: flashback to what happened when they when they announced Biden

818
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: won the twenty twenty election. Yeah, and I and I

819
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: used to live in West Hollywood and people were cheering

820
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: in the streets. John Legend and Christy Tagan were in there, like, bro,

821
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: I saw this.

822
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: Yes, We're in their car through the moon roof. They're

823
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: waving like their Queen Elizabeth.

824
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Like they had just done it. And I'm like, I'm like,

825
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, that was cool? That that that I mean cool.

826
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's great that Trump didn't get re elected

827
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, it's sad that that that that was great,

828
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: But like that wasn't even like we're not that was

829
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: that was barely even step one.

830
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't even step one. Yeah, yeah you gave up.

831
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: You just you won.

832
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: And that's it, right, you're thinking that, Yeah, you're not

833
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: paying attention to like how the storytelling needs to continue

834
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: to happen.

835
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: Right, So, and that's what they started doing.

836
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: They were selling magazines, you dude, that and and in

837
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: this magazine was the first movie advertisement for the first movie,

838
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: Birth of a Nation.

839
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: Right, So you they were printing magazines and they was

840
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: doing this.

841
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: So look we got magazines, now we got movies, right,

842
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: and you know Birth of a Nation, right, obviously, that's

843
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: that's introduced the world to the Klan.

844
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: Right.

845
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: You could buy merch, you could buy like oh Confederate

846
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: like like uniforms.

847
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Right.

848
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: They promoted lynching events like and so like it's like, yo,

849
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: come on Sunday after church, we're finna hang somebody you

850
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: feel me brings brings some potatoes, you know, so like

851
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: you would you you're, you're, you're. It's essentially it's their

852
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: version of Twitter, right, it's their version of social media.

853
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: Like we when you can control the media, you make

854
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: it seem a little more fun because it's like, oh,

855
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: you know, I just bought a little uniform for my kids.

856
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Now, it's just about Virginia.

857
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He's just honoring his grandpa,

858
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

859
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: So so, yeah, you could they were going to see movies, right,

860
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: you could buy merch right and yeah, and this magazine

861
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: like started in eighteen ninety three, like it continued for decades. Right,

862
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: they continue to sell this magazine. Right, they would have

863
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: like essay contests and quizzes. Right they would. Now this

864
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: should also make a sound familiar to you too. They

865
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't make sure that schools had the correct version of history.

866
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: And how would they do that? They would join the

867
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: school boards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's always the path to victory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always, Yeah, so they you know, it's these magazines,

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Speaker 2: these essay contests like on some like Highlights magazine.

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Speaker 3: You remember Highlights Magazine.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like all these different things

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00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: that again, because it's about the kids, it's about getting

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00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: them involved. And then you make sure that your kids

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00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: at they school got the correct version of history, right,

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Speaker 2: which is.

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Speaker 3: Tried and true way to do.

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00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Now, the question one would ask, which will cover the

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Speaker 2: next time, which we'll cover in the next episode, is

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00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: how to hell did this shit stick right, because you're like,

881
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: if you're the Union and you won, like why are

882
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: you not? Why are you not pushing back? Like why

883
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: are you not every time? Which again is something that

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00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: we could ask ourselves in these days.

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Speaker 3: Like why like.

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Speaker 2: How is a man with ninety one felony charges? Like

887
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: why did y'all not shut this down? You know what

888
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like we talked about at the end of

889
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Speaker 2: the fourth episode with Robert E. Lee where it was like, Yo,

890
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Speaker 2: we actually should have executed these niggas, you know what

891
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, had we have executed them, right, maybe

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00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: that would have been a thing, right, But but you're

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Speaker 2: I just it's hard to understand how they didn't shut

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Speaker 2: it down, and the fact is they actually tried to.

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Speaker 3: They really did try, you know.

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Speaker 2: And in then in in this next episode, we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about how they tried.

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Speaker 3: And why it didn't work. Yeah, yeah, so all I yeah,

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Speaker 3: I actually thought this was gonna be one episode. My bad. Anyways, Cool,

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Speaker 3: it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Zone Media.

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Speaker 4: It is never just one It's never just one episode,

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00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: never just one.

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Speaker 3: All right, So Behind the Bastards tell them where to

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Speaker 3: find them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, check us out on Behind the Bastards. Listen to

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00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 5: the episodes about Bobby Lee. Uh and about how the

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00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 5: Lost cos Mythology specifically talked about his life and uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: uh good a hell?

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Speaker 4: I love you.

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Speaker 3: Politics with Pride right.

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Speaker 2: All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod.

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Speaker 2: You better listen to these credits. I need you to

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Speaker 2: finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded

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Speaker 2: on there. So gonna check out the heat. Politics is

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Speaker 2: a member of Cool Zone Media. Executive produced by Sophie Lichterman,

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Speaker 2: part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme music and

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Speaker 2: Still killing the beats softly, so listen. Don't let nobody

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Speaker 2: lie to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics.

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Speaker 3: These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all

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Speaker 3: next week.