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Speaker 1: R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 3: Chi.

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Speaker 4: We are the authority on all things R.

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Speaker 1: All things R and B real, R and B. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wing spreaders, huh, come on fly, come on. Whole whole

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Speaker 1: line dedicated to the name of the group. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: clothing line. You know I'm talking about some steppers. Help me.

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Speaker 1: Steppers call them my nesty. They say birds of a feather.

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Speaker 1: What they do flock together. Okay, I got my brother

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Speaker 1: in the builder, my loved one. We have created magic together.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we had to get to talk about it all

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Speaker 4: right here on the Army Money podcast. Get up, Yes,

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Speaker 4: that's yeah true.

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Speaker 2: The legendary, legendary Yeah yeah, West Coasting.

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Speaker 1: That's a din in the house. I'm reminded of a

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Speaker 1: story you told me. I want.

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Speaker 4: I want to get on two things first before we

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Speaker 4: paused that. The first story you told me you came

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Speaker 4: in to I forget where you were.

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Speaker 1: You were like.

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Speaker 4: Backstage somewhere or something, and uh songs was doing good right,

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Speaker 4: you know, you was popping and you had your shades on,

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Speaker 4: you know, your your your I'm doing this ship shades on. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and a guy by the name of jel LeVert walked

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Speaker 4: up to you and said, not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 1: No, he did turn your LIFs down. Listen your light. Yeah, relax,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 5: I feel you, Bro, but one more record at least, Bro,

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Speaker 5: just pace it not this moment. And I respected it.

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Speaker 5: But my feet were off the ground. David Blade, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: where was this? We had a show together, Rude Boys,

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Speaker 5: Men at Large, Jeli Image Awards, Wow, and we were

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Speaker 5: doing the Temptations. And this was the third Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: this was the third album. I had went through my

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Speaker 5: college days with Chuckie and Babyface and everybody, the first two.

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Speaker 5: The third album, I went in and put my work in,

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Speaker 5: through the litigation and all that. I was in the

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Speaker 5: studio one percent of the time, and I thought I

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Speaker 5: was ready, you know. I thought I had not reached

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Speaker 5: where I wanted to be, of course, but I thought

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Speaker 5: I was in a place where where I was solid

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Speaker 5: as a creator, you know. And we were getting ready

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Speaker 5: to do the Temptation. And mind you, we had been

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Speaker 5: on a road killing it Hammer Keith, I mean all

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Speaker 5: the rappers were killing it. You know, we're new addition

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Speaker 5: in our bubble. Yeah, completely, and so we're getting ready

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Speaker 5: to do this temptation thing. So man, what I am

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Speaker 5: David ruffin tonight.

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Speaker 1: Guy? Right?

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Speaker 5: And you know, I loved Gerald so much because that's

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Speaker 5: not the only time that Gerald, you know, Joel was

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Speaker 5: like a big brother to me. But I love him

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Speaker 5: and I appreciate that moment so much because we don't

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Speaker 5: know when God in the flesh is talking to you,

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Speaker 5: dealing with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You're gonna speak to you through something, through somebody.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, and it's up to you to know

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Speaker 5: his face when you see for sure, you know. And

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Speaker 5: because I like to learn and like to grow. And

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Speaker 5: I was such a big GERLD fan period when he

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Speaker 5: said that, I was able to say, Okay, Steve, I

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Speaker 1: Because I'm.

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Speaker 4: Anybody else, anybody else, anybody else said it, you probably

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Speaker 1: I know you're talking to yes, bro, I'm number one.

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Speaker 5: I'm number one, as you're telling me this, excuse me,

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Speaker 6: Right now, at least in this second.

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Speaker 4: Now, everybody everybody wears shades now, but I didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: But everybody wearing sh now. But back then, if you

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Speaker 4: had on some shades.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 5: You know, I had lines. You know, I'm designed up,

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Speaker 2: I was the first thing Caniga smiling.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know, just you know, keeping it real.

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Speaker 5: Gerald was one of the guys that always pulled my coattail,

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Speaker 5: but he always pushed me forward at the same time. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, I remember we did our Senior Hall second album,

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Speaker 5: I'm Not Suited. We didn't know New Audition was gonna

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Speaker 5: be there, and you know, Gerald was always my.

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Speaker 5: and he was pumping, Man, man, you're gonna do great man, y'all.

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Speaker 1: You know, you the ship man, you know whatever.

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Speaker 5: So I remember after we finished I'm Not suit Bro,

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Speaker 1: Man, your niggas is great, man, You niggas is great.

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Speaker 1: I told you, I told you, man. He's so passionate.

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Speaker 5: He was so happy that we killed it the way

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Speaker 5: and he called me he was so proud.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. Wow, Rest in peace, man.

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Speaker 4: And then another other story. When we first got the building,

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, I was like, what.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing on the roof right? I'm working with

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Speaker 1: my birds?

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Speaker 4: I said, what what are you doing here?

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Speaker 1: Birds? He said, yeah, my pitch and my birds. I

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Speaker 4: So from him, you know, and we'll get more into

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Speaker 4: that so you can really explain that. But from there

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Speaker 1: You know. He's like, he's like, na, we're nesty. I said,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You like my master.

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Speaker 4: So take us back, Take us back, Steve too the

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Speaker 4: very beginning, like where does the star for you?

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Speaker 1: Where is it?

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Speaker 4: You know, okay, I got something, I'm finding something, I'm

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Speaker 5: I was, I was an only child with my you know,

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Speaker 1: You make sure you keep him with drawing paper. Do

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Speaker 5: Because I was with her this summer in Texas and

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Speaker 5: that Marilla, bless her heart. Anyway, it started from that

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Speaker 5: her saying this to me. So fast forward fourteen years old, enter.

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Speaker 1: In high school.

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Speaker 5: She passes from an aneurysm before I even become fifteen.

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Speaker 5: So I'm dealing with her not seeing me manifesting anything right.

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Speaker 5: And I was walking on campus when I first got there,

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Speaker 5: and I was on the street, bro, and it scared

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Speaker 5: it was either football or music. Because I grew up

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Speaker 5: I was popular as a dancer in Pasadena.

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Speaker 1: I was one of the only little kids.

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Speaker 5: You knew, this little dude, he's always danced, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then I went into Michael Jackson, and I was

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Speaker 5: super popular doing Michael Jackson. I was famous doing Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 5: I was Mike at twelve, and so I already loved

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Speaker 5: the fans. I used to make people happy doing Mike,

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Speaker 5: love with making people feel good because it made me

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Speaker 5: seeing myself homeless and wanting to be something for my

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Speaker 5: it is. It's either football. I was playing football against

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Speaker 1: I was good.

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Speaker 5: I got over my fear of defensive back. I got

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Speaker 5: over my fear of hitting. It was over once I

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Speaker 5: knew I was hitting you monster. So anyway, it was

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Speaker 5: either that or singing. And I started giving demo tapes

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Speaker 5: were you recording on UH eight recorder cassette recorded those

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Speaker 1: Bro, you pressed, You have to press real hard to

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Speaker 6: Playing record. At the same time with the Little Black.

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Speaker 5: Mic No, I was singing Jermaine Jackson, Dude, what you

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Speaker 5: do when you did?

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Speaker 1: What you did?

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Speaker 3: Tell how Jermaine had a hit to it, because you know,

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Speaker 3: sleep you record record he did on Jermaine's name.

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Speaker 5: Man, that song was us, So you know, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: was passing my sorry, I was passing my demo around

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Speaker 5: and then a guy from school that I knew that

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Speaker 5: watch us this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We on this show called Putting on the Hits and

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Speaker 1: it was a litsen show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know so, and I was like, you won't

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Speaker 5: Putting on the Hit you played basketball. So I watched it.

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Speaker 1: I went home and they was getting down cooler than now.

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Speaker 5: I mean bust so I was telling my mom. I

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Speaker 5: was like, I'll go to school these dudes, you know.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, they won week fast forward. He's we got

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Speaker 5: these big talent shows. Back then, it was always huge

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Speaker 5: city talent shows, so we were getting prepared for one

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Speaker 5: of those. The lady who was running the talent show

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Speaker 5: wanted me to get them. At the same time, someone

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Speaker 5: had contacted Putting on the Hits to find out if

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Speaker 5: that group could sing, but they wasn't a singing group.

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Speaker 5: So he was looking for me while I was looking

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Speaker 5: for him, and when we run into each other, I'm like, Rodney,

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Speaker 5: I need you for this talent show. He was like

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Speaker 5: talent show. He was like, yo, a producer called the show.

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Speaker 5: I want to know if we can sing, bro, I

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Speaker 5: need you in my group. I need you in my group. Bro,

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Speaker 5: you gotta talk to my mom.

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Speaker 2: I need you because how old are you? Guys are

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Speaker 2: fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: We're cute freshmans.

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Speaker 1: We're freshmans, bro.

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Speaker 5: And of course I just made this decision.

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Speaker 2: Work.

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Speaker 1: I had just made the win at all costs.

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Speaker 5: Here comes Rodney. I need you in the group. So

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Speaker 5: of course, fast forward.

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Speaker 1: John John was.

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Speaker 5: In one of my thriller groups when I was doing

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Speaker 5: mic so he came along. He found out I was

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Speaker 1: He made he bullied hisself. That's my god, you know.

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Speaker 5: So you know Alan came shortly thereafter, and you know

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Speaker 5: we rehearsed every day, bro.

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Speaker 1: So start off with four.

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Speaker 5: Well it was well, it was it was four because

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Speaker 5: one of the original members was sticking around, our buddy Shane.

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Speaker 7: Of a kind, Bro, what you said, Well, Reggie and Rodney.

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Speaker 5: There would come a time in rehearsal that I was

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Speaker 1: Was almost number one.

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Speaker 5: You know what, man, My classmates got to see me

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Speaker 1: But before that, are you guys already? True? No, five

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Speaker 1: We're the guys. But our group was the guys, and

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Speaker 1: So at the same time Teddy and him got Guy,

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Speaker 5: We were the guys, but y'all signed too, and yeah

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Speaker 5: we were signed the guys.

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Speaker 2: So okay, So and didn't even know about Is there

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Speaker 1: No question? How does that go?

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Speaker 5: Merlyn Bob rest in peace. He's Sylvie Rome's right hand man,

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Speaker 5: but he was our handler, you know, we were his ships.

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Speaker 5: So as soon as I got the download Troopers, we

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Speaker 1: That's us.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. We're not a new addition

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Speaker 1: And that's how it happened.

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Speaker 5: I said, with the True, and everybody at simultaneous like

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Speaker 5: After the number one record, we never flopped, bro, we

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Speaker 4: Give me because I know you yeah, I know you know,

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Speaker 4: I know it.

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Speaker 1: Give me twelfth grade with a hit record. How is

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Speaker 5: All of us know each other like the people that

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Speaker 1: So we had.

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Speaker 1: So we were just.

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Speaker 5: Regular right when we got on Donnie Simpson's couch, that

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Speaker 1: How big that was. I made the couch, you know.

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Speaker 3: And then I found out that the elevator wasn't real

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I want to get on the elevator.

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Speaker 5: Right, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And it was a wonderful experience.

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Speaker 4: Was there a particular young lady That's all he wanted

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Speaker 4: was there a particular young lady that you had had

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Back in retaliation. The reciprocation was.

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Speaker 4: It was just on a different level where it was like,

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Speaker 4: I've always had my eye on you a lot of it, yeah.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it. I was a crusher.

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Speaker 5: I was the quiet guy that you know, I like

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Speaker 5: it didn't always align, you know. But I had a

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was a flirt.

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Speaker 5: I was out there and yeah once, uh, that little

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Speaker 1: He turned it into it for Beverly Hills Retreat.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, you know you always.

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Speaker 1: That one apartment in the hood that got the leather couch.

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Speaker 1: Everybody know about that. Get that bunk bit out of

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Speaker 6: It was nice.

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't take advantage of it like.

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Speaker 1: I could have, but I appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like the people who took advantage of it like

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Speaker 1: Have, they didn't survive. And I didn't do that. Bro,

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Speaker 1: you got a patient, Yes, I did have to patience.

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Speaker 1: I did, man, I did. I mean the entire time. Man,

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Speaker 5: Man, I used to room with Reggie, and Reggie was

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Speaker 5: When we got out on the road, he was already

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Speaker 6: Ready.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: You how do you know how to I mean grown?

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Speaker 5: I mean bringing grown women.

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Speaker 1: I'm like your kids. I was like, I couldn't believe

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Speaker 6: I just rolled with all the cover.

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Speaker 8: I start saying that put the nigga shineing, shout.

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Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Wow. Crazy, We had a ball man.

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Speaker 1: We had a ball who's.

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Speaker 2: The first tour? Yeah, oh, the first tour. Maama Sita

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Speaker 5: We did a ninety city too, by ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We did a ninety city tour. How many days does

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Speaker 5: People were crying and everything before it was over with,

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Speaker 1: Crying broke down.

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Speaker 6: Everybody went through hell, I want to go home.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and we laughed at everybody that we laughed and

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Speaker 5: Every skating rink across the country, every boys club, girls

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Speaker 1: That's what you see in the school ray. And we

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Speaker 5: We did that. That was we We lived that. And

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Speaker 5: No shooting, no fighting, nothing, love. One hundred people on

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Speaker 2: Really over here and they really over here because we

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Speaker 5: But we never did get to experience what a lot

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Speaker 1: We were right on the cusp. You know, why do

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Speaker 5: And you know universal laws lack attracts like you know,

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Speaker 5: with Jay, who's gonna self center with you? You know,

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Speaker 5: of every ill thing that has ever been perceived by

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Speaker 5: even if you're a baby. The ego's there, right.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 5: Going through beat up by an ego that you don't

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 5: You know, living that kind of life where the egos

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Speaker 5: that creative side that was rehearsing and visualizing. Once you

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Speaker 5: and now you dig steve from truth.

447
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: Now you married.

448
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 5: Now you're taking care of a family, youngster.

449
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: You know, yes, requirements, yeah right.

450
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 5: Ego is there waiting the whole time because the ego

451
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: didn't like it when you were famous and feeling good

452
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: about yourself. So now you feel in a certain kind

453
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 5: of way. You feeling this, You've been in TGT. Come on, man,

454
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 5: you know how it goes when you're not in alignment.

455
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: You're not in alignment. There's not a lot of attraction

456
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 5: coming your way as a unit and you got three

457
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: different energies going on in one bubble, it just doesn't happen.

458
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 5: And that's what happened with us, man. Just like in

459
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 5: the Temptations movie, the money made different people different who

460
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 5: they really were. And oh my god. You know, like

461
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: I told you me, I'm not ashamed. I was a

462
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: perfection idiot.

463
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: You know.

464
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 5: I knew I was over the edge in that way,

465
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: but it was for the all. I wasn't walking around

466
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 5: talking about Steve Russell, you know, I wasn't saying Steve

467
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: and true you know, it never turned into that. My

468
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 5: focus was always for the body of the entity. But

469
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 5: when you're growing and you're getting to know yourself. We

470
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: were kids, man. When you're growing and you're getting to

471
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 5: know yourself and you're learning all of these different things,

472
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: and ego is there telling you what you're not, what

473
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 5: you should have been, keeping you, you know, keeping you

474
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 5: lacking something. It can destroy everything, bro, you know, And

475
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 5: that's what happened with us. We were not able to

476
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 5: maintain enough frequency to keep attracting what we ultimately wanted

477
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: with success and wealth, you know, the the egotistical niggas

478
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 5: shit makes you make bad decisions. And when I say

479
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 5: nigga shit. I don't mean black people shit. I mean ignorant,

480
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: not knowing shit. When you get into living in a

481
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: not knowing thing, uh an ego, you can't vibrate in anything, bro,

482
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: Now life starts. Now you forget that you got that

483
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 5: you can vibrate in anything. You got bills to pay,

484
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 5: you don't even know you're creator no more.

485
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: Depression a slave to it. You become a slave to it,

486
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, so now you're depressed. Was there a spokesman

487
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: for the group like that?

488
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: Within the group that was that everybody was like, you know,

489
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: the level head and the person and that was having

490
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: the conversations with you know, multiple members to keep everything

491
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: together or try to.

492
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 5: Rodney was that guy. But Rodney lost his power when

493
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 5: me and Alan became the two guys to make the decisions,

494
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 5: and then we were at each other's throat when when

495
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 5: the cane and abels started, which I tried to prevent

496
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: the entire time, because Alan was different. When I found

497
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: when he lived with me, it was different. And I'm

498
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 5: not you know, we all are different, but I'm just

499
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 5: saying the energy that we had Alan wasn't that. Alan

500
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 5: was much more mature. He wasn't physical on me and you.

501
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: He was not into none of that type of you know,

502
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: we was wow bro. So anyway, that manifested eventually with

503
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 5: money and you know, you got your crew. Everybody in

504
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: the group ended up having six niggas that they hung with.

505
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, how would y'all have individual buses onto it

506
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: or okay, we wanted it. We wanted I mean, you

507
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: know it's tough.

508
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: Man, but you know, when you lose focus, when you

509
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: lose energy, when you lose the energy that connects you

510
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 5: to manifestation, you have a journey. Now you have to

511
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 5: go through these things that you're creating. They didn't tell

512
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: us that we were creating the picture. They taught us

513
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: that life happens to us. But you're creating it. You're

514
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 5: up there on stage looking good because you create that.

515
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 5: You believe in tank, people believe in you. Lack attracts

516
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: like you know, if you believe you ain't shit in

517
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: the world is against you. God is going to agree

518
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: with you. He's not going to disagree with you because

519
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: he's already imparted himself in you, and you don't know it.

520
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play games with you. I'm God. You

521
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: ain't shit.

522
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not going to prove myself to you.

523
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: You think you broke.

524
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 5: You believe in lack because you don't see money in

525
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: your pockets. You think that's me. That's the true that

526
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: you see an empty piece of fabric.

527
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: You believe that. Okay.

528
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 5: The grace of God is measured by the grace of

529
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 5: you on your motherfucking self.

530
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: Mhmm.

531
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 5: God is gonna agree with you as you agree with you,

532
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: as you love you and believe in you.

533
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna cheer you on.

534
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: Come on, you got it as you see ship that's

535
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: not there, but you feel good about it anyway. Now

536
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 5: he really cheering.

537
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: Now he's got the pomp.

538
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: Come on, tank, it ain't even manifesting you feeling good.

539
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Baby, come on. That's how it works.

540
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: But they don't teach us that. So in my experience,

541
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 5: I had to learn that the tough way, you know.

542
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: I had to relearn that I'm a piece of God,

543
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: having a physical experience, able to create things from thought

544
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: in the physical manifestation.

545
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: We did it.

546
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 5: We did it together, okay, because we have we have to.

547
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: We have to give the journey. We got to give

548
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: the journey, and your journey is amazing. Like we all

549
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: know that, and we've all been a part of that

550
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: journey with you. I mean, you know, I remember you

551
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: told me during our underdog days, which we'll get to,

552
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: you were like Jay, you know, we never had this

553
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: conversation because she was a kid, he was younger. You know,

554
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: your father helped me and I remember us having that

555
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: conversation and I never knew about that, you know what

556
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I never knew that, you know, he had

557
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: helped you in a situation in this business and and

558
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: was able to, you know, assist in some you know,

559
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: good dudes.

560
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Some things that you needed to you know, have to

561
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: take care of, and he loved and we've all, you.

562
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Know, we've all had, you know, uh, a piece of

563
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: each other's journey that brings us here today. So when

564
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: Troop disbands, what is that like for you? At that

565
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: moment when you're like, Okay, I gotta figure because how

566
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: old are you at this point?

567
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: You still what? Yeah, late twenties, bro, Well you got

568
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: to figure out your new life.

569
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: It was scary because I grew up an only child

570
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: and like I tell you, you don't know about the egos,

571
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: so you don't know that there's this thing recording everything.

572
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 5: So for me being an only child and having those brothers,

573
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: good or bad, indifferent, whatever I had them, you know,

574
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: and then you have the higher self saying, steve your first.

575
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: Put yourself first, dear one, you know, put yourself first.

576
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: You know.

577
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 5: So my battle was that the entire time of you know,

578
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: and my mom, she really helped me. She was the

579
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: one that said, look, son, you got all these songs.

580
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: You need to focus on you. Let others get your

581
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: songs to other people. There are people not having problems

582
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: in the group that need your records.

583
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I never take start placing the records.

584
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 5: Listen when I tell you I was blind, I told you,

585
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 5: he go blind you I'm nothing.

586
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Now.

587
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: We messed up our record deal. You know it's shit now,

588
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: and you know you believe that. If you believe it,

589
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: you're going to experience it.

590
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: And I was in it.

591
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 5: And my mom said, son, you got all these records.

592
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: Man.

593
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: I never sold any of my equipment never. I always

594
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: knew if I had something to offer, I was okay, right,

595
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: So at my lowest love, my mom said, you need

596
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: to leave troop alone. You need to allow troop to

597
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: breathe without you. You need to you need to give

598
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: Troop a break and give yourself an opportunity to see

599
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 5: what life has for you, as Steve Russell, because you

600
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: are are you are Steve, you know. And I Randy

601
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 5: Jackson used to work at MCA from American. I write

602
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: a song called I Wonder Why.

603
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: I Wonder Why. I Wonder Why, I Why.

604
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: Some jodasy sound of song, but it wasn't that. But anyway,

605
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 5: he gave me twenty five thousand dollars to do that

606
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 5: song on a group he had called Jersey Avenue.

607
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: I remember Jersey Avenue.

608
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: I produced a record for them bro called I Wonder Why,

609
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 5: And that turned everything around.

610
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: And I had.

611
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 5: Already prior to that, ran into a guy named Vasill Befford,

612
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: and I was I was producing for Vasall Bedford and

613
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: I met this guy, this engineer we hired named Harvey.

614
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Mason, young guy. His dad was this famous drummer.

615
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 5: And me and this guy, Harvey Visas was always gone.

616
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: You know, he got somebody doing music for him. You know,

617
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: he come in and polish that's it.

618
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: I was gone.

619
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: So me and this kid, Harvey Mason, man, we become

620
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 5: like two p's in the pods on the writing. You

621
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: know at first he's just engineering and tripping off of

622
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 5: my vocal arrangements and ship.

623
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 6: Like, man, why are you doing that? Man?

624
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: You know it's hard science.

625
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: He wants the science. So I was like a science

626
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: project for him because as he's engineering, he's listening to

627
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 5: how I'm doing my vocal rams. I'm all laid back

628
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: because I'm picking up from Allen and everybody I'm around.

629
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: I'm a part of drill every I got everybody. In

630
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 5: my late twenties, I was ready, you know, creatively. So

631
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 5: you know he's he's figuring out what I'm doing, and

632
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 5: before you know it, we're writing songs together.

633
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean bad records, bro.

634
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 5: Just me and him vasales lock us in the studio.

635
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: It wouldn't give us the key.

636
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: Me and Harvey have to shake.

637
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 5: The only way we could stay warm after we get

638
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: tired is to sleep under the SSL because of the

639
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: heat that's under the SSL, and me and Harvey in

640
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: the studio sleep into versad coming.

641
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: And this is after you've had record.

642
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 5: This is this is the new journey of Steve becoming

643
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 5: a songwriter.

644
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: Look camera Steve and tell them how this ship really goes? Man,

645
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: And if you really love this thing that we're in.

646
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: What you gotta go through sometimes, what you're willing to

647
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: go through.

648
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: You gotta be willing to go through what you consider

649
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 5: being uncomfortable. You gotta be willing to go through with

650
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: blinders on when they's so foggy you can't you can't see.

651
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 5: But you gotta open your motherfucking ears up and keep

652
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 5: walking straight.

653
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: You gotta.

654
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 5: You gotta keep walking, even if you gotta take little

655
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: tiny chopping steps.

656
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: Just keep your feet moving. You've played sports.

657
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: Keep your feet moving, chop your feet, keep walking, keep

658
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: moving because you're on your way. Everything that is coming

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: against you in perception is there to move you forward.

660
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 5: Everything is all good. There's nothing in your journey against

661
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 5: you from a lestation. No daddy, no mother, nothing is

662
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: against you. You're molested. The absent mother, the absent father,

663
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 5: all have agreed to do a job for you here

664
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: to move you forward. But if you fall in love

665
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 5: with the gift and forget the gift giver, you'll worship

666
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: the molestation and.

667
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: Be robbed in your life.

668
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 5: If you have abusive father, abusive mother, you fall in

669
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: love with that and the agony because that you have

670
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: an ego, you have this flesh that loves pain, it

671
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: loves the long and I wish I was like Tank.

672
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 5: Oh I wish I could get in shape. Oh I wish. See,

673
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 5: that's the ego and the flesh. Get your ass on

674
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 5: the floor and do it right. That's the choices that

675
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 5: you have to make. But you have to know that

676
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 5: everything is all good. And that's very tough when you're

677
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 5: sleeping in your car and tomorrow you don't know what

678
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 5: you're gonna do. But if you get up that morning,

679
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: out of that sleeping car and they head to the studio,

680
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: your ass is on the right track.

681
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: You get what I'm trying to say.

682
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: Because when I was working with you guys before, before Tank,

683
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 5: right at the beginning of the Underdogs, was when I

684
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: had moved back from Rialto. This is me from my

685
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 5: mom's motivation. Now I'm back, Harvey, Harvey came. I forgot

686
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 5: to tell you I'm writing songs. After I did that

687
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: song from Randy Jackson, I'm stealing this. My mom had

688
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 5: some apartments. She did right by what I gave her.

689
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 5: She has these apartments, so she has some stuff set up.

690
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 5: Come on, man in the hood. In Rialto in the Hood,

691
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: she had an apartment. Y'all come and get this. I

692
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 5: lost the house. Y'all come and stay in this apartment

693
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: and get to you get your ship right.

694
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: Mom's on my team. Wow, come get to this apartment.

695
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: We sprayed this motherfucker down, you know, spread down to

696
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: get up in here.

697
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 5: It ain't gonna be that long. This was mom, bro,

698
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: and you know, and now it was over. It felt

699
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: like this was I'm in Rialto. How the fuck did

700
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: I get in Rialto? But the god side, my god

701
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: self was so appreciative. I was so appreciative of that apartment. Man,

702
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 5: my first wife. No, nigga, you done fell off my nigga.

703
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: This ain't hurt.

704
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: Saying, but this is the reality feeling. Yeah, I'm finna

705
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: move to Compton. I'm going to move back with my mom.

706
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 5: I'm out of here right. I'm focused on having something

707
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 5: to offer. I just proved to myself from that placement

708
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: that I'm okay. I still got some breath in me.

709
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 5: So I'm focused. I'm writing. I'm writing.

710
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Steve's Harvey Mace. What a man, What a man you

711
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: still were? Rodney. Uh, you know, I'm kind of we leave.

712
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: I'm out of that.

713
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: But I met this guy we're going to create this

714
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 5: writing team. Damon Winning picked his guy, so I'm picking

715
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: my guy. I know you like writing by yourself, but

716
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 5: I think this would be great for your career.

717
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: I think this would be good for us. Bro.

718
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 5: Just come and check us out and see if you

719
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 5: want to vibe with us.

720
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Right underdogs.

721
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: Jay Valentine's the main writer, already got a smash.

722
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: I like them.

723
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 6: I'm coming in will murder. That's my guy right there.

724
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: They don't even realize we know each other. Yeah, they

725
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: have no idea when he's baby. Yeah.

726
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: When he said he got ja, I said, okay, Jay,

727
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 5: he's growing right.

728
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: So we love them. These guys we.

729
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 5: Love They were our group.

730
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Man, we love them so much.

731
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 5: So just the thought of that was a And I'm

732
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 5: a super positive dude anyway. You know, I'm not a hater.

733
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: I was blessed not to be envious. I don't have

734
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 5: envy me, so it's always good with me.

735
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: So that was perfect.

736
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 5: When he said, Jay Valentine's like, oh shit, you know, so.

737
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: That was the.

738
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: Universe obliging my willingness to still have.

739
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Not belief.

740
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: Belief is whack, faith enough to still persevere creatively when

741
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 5: there's nothing to be creative for. So it seems egotistically, what.

742
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Are you doing this for? No, but you're in reality,

743
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you're the hood buddy.

744
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 5: Now to remind you the ego and make you kill

745
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: somebody and then say you never do that. No, the

746
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 5: ego is the worst part of it, I'm telling you, man.

747
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: And there needs to be more conversation, especially amongst us

748
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 5: getting of age, separating ourselves, especially when we deal with

749
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: our women, man, introducing them to that part of themselves

750
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 5: that they believe is them. When you're feeling off, that

751
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 5: ain't you baby?

752
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: You know?

753
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: And once we stop claiming the egos thoughts and the

754
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 5: egos feelings, your journey is a little easier because you

755
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 5: know how you want to feel in every moment when

756
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 5: you when you're off, you know, it's the ego. When

757
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 5: you have a part of yourself trying to explain something

758
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: to you, trying to convince you of some shit, the

759
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 5: ego higher self is gonna say, hey, go left and

760
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 5: give you the opportunity to respect that Jesus and self

761
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: relationship or not, the higher selling is gonna explain shit

762
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: to you because it got another life.

763
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: We can do anyway.

764
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter even if you don't get it this time,

765
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter, right, the ego is.

766
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: Going to be trying to convince you.

767
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: No, Jay, Man, we might Man, shit, we could get

768
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 5: this man, and you know how like say, ay, tank Man,

769
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: just come do the show, bro, And I know this

770
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: ain't your fee, but man, you know it's a lot

771
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: of people gonna be there. We're gonna have some promoters there.

772
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: It's gonna be some This guy is supposed to be there.

773
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 5: And your ego is saying, now you've already made a

774
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 5: standard from the higher self and loving self, I'm not

775
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: going lower than this.

776
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: The ego. Oh man, the people gonna be there.

777
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: Man.

778
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: You know, man, you might get another opportunit needed out

779
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 5: of this one, you know, pulling you to challenge yourself,

780
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: you know. And we need to people need to have

781
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 5: those conversations about ego because you have thoughts and feelings

782
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 5: that are manifesting, especially now that everything is changing energetically.

783
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Is more than ever. You need to know and be

784
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: solid on.

785
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: Your relationship with your ego because the decisions that you're

786
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: making now in this time, we can't afford to make

787
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 5: egotistical and I don't mean arrogant I'm saying egotistical perceived

788
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: decisions that trick yourself and witchcraft yourself to stay in

789
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 5: that box of not knowing anything. You know, the ego

790
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 5: is always unsafe and insecure, and it always wants.

791
00:42:45,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: You to feel you've ub a lot of musical excellence

792
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: in your times, been around the world, and a yah yah.

793
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 4: You know you you you've you've been on the charts,

794
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: while other people on the charts are waiting to be

795
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: number one, I mean, big artists. You just said it

796
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: so mean. Now we want to get into the mind

797
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: of little Steve and figure out your.

798
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 9: Top five, your top five, top five, your top five

799
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 9: all be singer. What's up.

800
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Me, so, Steve?

801
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 9: Don't a little drouth bar, little drut little top top top.

802
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, lusty time FU love you, baby Steve. Okay, nasty,

803
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: I can pull that off. Who is your top five

804
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: R and B singers?

805
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: My first and favorite influence singer Damn Johnny Wilder from

806
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: Heat Wave m is one of my favorite all time.

807
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 5: I just love him man, rest in peace. Wow, I

808
00:44:50,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: just love him. Man. Charlie Wilson, his voice steal it's

809
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 5: hard to it's hard to. Charlie is good man, Charlie,

810
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 5: and I can't say Charlie without saying Stevie because Charlie

811
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: is a Stevie child, you know, So I gotta give

812
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: props to Stevie. It's one of my favorites. Michael Jackson

813
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 5: is a Stevie child, so it's hard. You know, that's

814
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 5: under the umbrella. So Michael is a part of that,

815
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 5: My top five. Luther Vandros, his body, his voice gives

816
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 5: me chills to this day. I've been on Luther for

817
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: the past two weeks and I can't even believe that

818
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: his essence and tone I get him now as a

819
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: grown man more than I did. You know, of course, Damn,

820
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: y'all got me blank. You asked a cold question.

821
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna move on, so our top top

822
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: That was unfair, bro, Yeah that was called.

823
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 4: Now we're gonna move on to our top R and

824
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: B songs. We'll stick top five. Okay, this will be five.

825
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 5: Damn, that's not fair.

826
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: This will be five. This will be okay. Five songs

827
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: at the top.

828
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, damn, man, five songs always and for everybody. She's

829
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 5: out of my life. Michael Jackson, Superstar, Luther Vandros, Lady

830
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: in My Life by Michael Jackson is definitely one of

831
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: my favorite songs, I would say, and Holy Spirited by

832
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: kimberrell Man that's one of my that's.

833
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: Definitely one of my top five songs. I love.

834
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 5: I got one more.

835
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine, But Lady in my Life he said,

836
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: she's out of my Lady.

837
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 5: So Mike got two of my life my life songs.

838
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: But my Heartbreak Hotel.

839
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: Is one of my favorites songs. So we'll be we're

840
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: going to do now and the song.

841
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: I'll take that an extra record. What we're gonna do

842
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: right now is we're gonna do what we like to

843
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: call a vultron. You're going to build your perfect R

844
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: and B artists, and we're going to figure out who

845
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: you get the vocal from, who you get the performance

846
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 4: style from, who you get the drip from, and then

847
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: who you get the passion from the heart of the artists.

848
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: So let's start with the vocal. Who are you getting

849
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 4: the vocal from to build your arm B artist?

850
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: One vocal Chris Brown. Chris Brown, Chris Brown, the universal

851
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: radio vocal has a missed yet performance style on stage.

852
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: Who you get do I have to just one person only?

853
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: That's it. Yes, I can't combine one.

854
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: You know what combined. No, little Steve can combine. We've

855
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: let somebody combine. Little Steve can combine.

856
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: Okay, you give me.

857
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 5: Prerogative Bobby Brown on the Awards when he was actually

858
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: floating on the air monster.

859
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: And he was in his highest energy. You get King

860
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: of R and B. Give me the King of R

861
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: and B.

862
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: Bobby Brown performing style with of course, Michael Jackson.

863
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to be the greatest. It's going to be

864
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Michael king of everything, all things. Yeah, you have to Michael,

865
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown.

866
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 5: Bobby Brown's attitude over Michael's attitude. When Bobby is doing

867
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 5: prerogative with them two niggas and he's got hard. When

868
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: he's got hard and he's spinning around and you don't

869
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: know where he's gonna land at it, he's you know,

870
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 5: he was a different am I trip it not at all.

871
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: Bobby was different. Bobby was a different dude, Bro. Bobby

872
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 5: Brown was an untouchable.

873
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: That that's great, you know from truth got the memo.

874
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: You know we tried the email.

875
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 6: You but no, man, that's that's energy.

876
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: I think Bobby's energy is peaking. You get what I'm saying,

877
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Yeah, I take that, Michael,

878
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: and Bobby.

879
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 5: Is not to ship on Usher because Usher came after

880
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: Bobby and did very well with his thing.

881
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Bobby though.

882
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, Okay, Okay, I watched, We watched Bobby give New

883
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 10: Edition everything they needed on that hard by himself.

884
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: By himself himself. So you get what I'm saying, Okay.

885
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 10: The styling of the artists, styling don't put on them.

886
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: When artists put that ship on the you.

887
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 5: New Audition in BBD, the young and the professional. I'll

888
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 5: take the swag of to me. I envy New Audition swag.

889
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 5: I always have their the most swagged out niggas in

890
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: the industry to me, So I have to give it

891
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 5: the swag of New Dish BBD with the street ship.

892
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the perfect blend, perfect New Audition in

893
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: BBD both and kill. It literally changed the look yes

894
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: of music.

895
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody looked like them. All the boy bands after

896
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: them look like New additions, all the hip hop artists

897
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: looked like BBD.

898
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: It did it.

899
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I have to give them that because what

900
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 5: other swag is there in between that for the artists

901
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 5: we're building?

902
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know the passion of the artists, the

903
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 4: heart of the artists.

904
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 5: Michael Michael Jackson. You can't get more passionate than that.

905
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: You know you heard that cry.

906
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of a cappella track of Michael's?

907
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: Hurt your feelings, Hurt your feelings.

908
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 5: It's so much shit going on in the vocals. His

909
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 5: passion is unbeat You know. I sang baby Face some

910
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 5: demos for Baby baby Faces when he was submitting to

911
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 5: the Invincible album. I sang his demos from Michael and

912
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 5: those I worked harder singing those two songs than anything

913
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: I ever sang in my life.

914
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because we know you got some legendary stories.

915
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got you. I ain't saying no nicks. I

916
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names. Ain't

917
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: saying no names. Where was.

918
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: Did?

919
00:51:47,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Don't see she saying no like that ship run? So

920
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: right now.

921
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: We got a segment of the show it's called I

922
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: ain't saying no names. Well, you tell us a story

923
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up about

924
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: the travels of Little Steve Russell of TRUP The only

925
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: rule you just can't say the names you can't say

926
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: who was involved in it, not their name, but you know,

927
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: maybe the occupation of it. I mean, even you can

928
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: you can give some you know you you you've been

929
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: a big stepper for a long time. You definitely dance.

930
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: You just can't say their names. So right now this

931
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: is little Steve of True, the underdogs, all things legendary Russell.

932
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names.

933
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 5: Oh wow, and this is a moment that means something

934
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 5: to me or just something. Okay, Well, being a kid

935
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 5: that always admired singers and the music business and stuff

936
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 5: and wanted to be in that world once I once

937
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 5: I got hits and was traveling, I found out that

938
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 5: there were certain members of my peer community that liked

939
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 5: me like I you know, like I admired them as

940
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 5: a fan or whatever.

941
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: You know. I had fans amongst people that I admired.

942
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: M yeah, you know.

943
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 5: And I was fortunate at one time in my life

944
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 5: too become really good friends with somebody that I admired,

945
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 5: a whole whole lot of very famous singer, you know,

946
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 5: female singer, and.

947
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: I had to share the unselfish.

948
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: With her, you know, I had an introduce her to

949
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 5: the unselfish lumber incorporated, you know, incorporating.

950
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

951
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 6: We used to say that back in the day.

952
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, no, I was.

953
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 5: It's not exciting for everybody else, but for me, it

954
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 5: was very exciting for me to be able to experience, uh,

955
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 5: intimate relationship with somebody that I watched on TV and

956
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 5: admired like a mog that's really liked him too. She

957
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 5: ended up liking a little Steve Back mistake. Fool you

958
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 5: baby down now, I'm just I'm just acting silly. But yeah,

959
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 5: you know, I've had, I've had I've had an opportunity

960
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 5: to experience some pretty neat things man. In my experience

961
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 5: of touring and stuff. Man, I was I was the guy.

962
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 5: I was very particular. I liked having something with me,

963
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 5: you know, you know, I like mine where I'm at.

964
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: You know. So that was just my good down, you know.

965
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, it just happened to be somebody that was

966
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: just on the level.

967
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 6: Man.

968
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: Yes, I love oh Man, I level lumber Lane, oh Man.

969
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 5: And it was everything that you could dream it to be.

970
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: When they see you, they seen y'all.

971
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, say my name, say my name, beautiful, man. I

972
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: wish I could say the name.

973
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 1: Cast some ship. Listen.

974
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 4: Steve had to say, when I've heard him say it

975
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 4: at least fifty eleven hundred times, you lucky.

976
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: I ain't your type. Lucky, I ain't your time. I

977
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: used to wait because we used to have, We used

978
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: to always have.

979
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 4: You know, I have some things around, you know what

980
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying, just helping to create some wall paper, some garness.

981
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 5: I would say, like a lot of time to eighty

982
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 5: percent of the time, it was to make people make

983
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 5: him laugh.

984
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be the one.

985
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: I could look in his eyes and then tell when

986
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: it's a real stuff out of town.

987
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: You know, we be talking and we get into those

988
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 4: conversations and he just be like, and Steve is one

989
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: of those guys he's gonna compliment like, he's not gonna

990
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 4: hold punch of just who you bad?

991
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: You're lucky, I ain't your type.

992
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, man, he be, he be, He throw that

993
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 4: line out there, wait for fish the hook, and all

994
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you hear how you know.

995
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: You need a man?

996
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: Go?

997
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need some real in your life. You frustrated.

998
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm mad with you.

999
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 5: Ship.

1000
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: This is oh man. You guys listen, my brother, my

1001
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: nasty man. We love you.

1002
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 10: Man, y'all know that we miss you, brother. That man,

1003
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 10: we got a lot close close the distance. Man, we

1004
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 10: definitely need you know what I'm saying too much to

1005
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 10: not do more. Yeah, definitely for sure.

1006
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: This is your house and I love it. Man. I'm

1007
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 1: such a fan of the show. Man.

1008
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be a part of it, the history

1009
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 5: of it, you know, because what you guys are doing

1010
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 5: is trend setting on some R and B ship and

1011
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 5: it's awesome. And I like how you allow it to

1012
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 5: just be a real uh platform.

1013
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1014
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 5: It ain't sugarcoated to please or please a certain thing,

1015
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: you know, And I love that about what you guys

1016
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 5: are doing. Man, thanks for having men cool. We love you, brother,

1017
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 5: I love you to us too.

1018
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: I love you too.

1019
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, listen, my name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine

1020
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: and this is the Army Money podcast, the authority on

1021
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: all things R and B. And I can't say it

1022
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 4: no better than this has been my nexte. I love

1023
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: on one of the greatest. Thank you, Little Steve.

1024
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: R and B Money is a production of the Black

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