Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode
Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.
Speaker 1: Yo Yo Yo, What up?
Speaker 3: This is fon Tigelow with this week's QLs classic. This
Speaker 3: week we go back to June twenty seven, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: with our guests Tessa Thompson, best known for her work
Speaker 3: and Sorry to Bother You, and Creed Tessa Hillcourt about
Speaker 3: falling into acting social activism, Tato salad, Philly cheese steaks,
Speaker 3: and goat love.
Speaker 1: I don't know what goat love is. That sounds very Caucasian.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to check it out and find out
Speaker 3: what that is. But anyway, this is QLs episode number ninety.
Speaker 3: Enjoy y'all basic.
Speaker 1: On sit better Delivery. I'm no ex let's do it.
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Speaker 1: Supremo roll Some Thompson needs raincoats. Yeah Heenan Thompson's got chokes.
Speaker 1: Yeah a mere Thompson's a show boat. Yeah Ta Thompson's
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Speaker 4: Suprema suck suck Suprema roll called Suprema s Suprema roll.
Speaker 1: My name is sugar. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was high on weed. Yeah when I recorded the seed. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and when I saw cream.
Speaker 4: Supremo, Supremo role came Suprema supremo role.
Speaker 2: You're white people, Yeah, please use seasoning. Yeah, sincerely yours, Yeah, boss.
Speaker 4: Suprema sun Suprema roll came Suprema so soun Suprema roll call.
Speaker 6: Now y'all know I'm excited. Yeah, Tessa Thompson, Oh, my
Speaker 6: sisters invited.
Speaker 4: Suprema roll call, supremapt Premia roll call.
Speaker 1: What you do, Suprema Suprema Really ste.
Speaker 4: Supremai asshole, Suprema ruined.
Speaker 1: I was trying to help is ruined.
Speaker 7: Dear white Steve, go ahead, dear white Steve, gonna have
Speaker 7: the microphone.
Speaker 8: Please thank you. I'm reclaiming my time. My intro.
Speaker 2: We can't punch in, We can't, no, no, you can't
Speaker 2: punch and you can punch him in the face.
Speaker 8: You like three more, dear white people, and then we
Speaker 8: either who.
Speaker 1: Made the roll up that we can't have a do
Speaker 1: over you. Then it kind of loses the spontaneity.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you want to hear it though, I mean I
Speaker 8: was curious.
Speaker 2: To see how fast you because the thing is, whoever
Speaker 2: my my determination on how good the interview is going
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's based on.
Speaker 2: How fast you are on your feet with the roll call,
Speaker 2: like Leon Silver is not answering questions.
Speaker 1: It was like, this's gonna be a hard interview. Actually
Speaker 1: it wasn't. But you know, I'm just.
Speaker 8: Saying, man, yeah, but now you can't.
Speaker 7: We can't do do over now that you even applied
Speaker 7: more pressure onto what it was going to be.
Speaker 8: It was going to be this spontaneous.
Speaker 9: Supreme live in the moment, I'm here to say, yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Go no, not see Steve never ever interrupt.
Speaker 8: Against what that was on accident of what happens to.
Speaker 5: Well, you hesitated and I thought you were frozen, so
Speaker 5: I tried to give you the first line he.
Speaker 2: Was trying to man splain, was like line no, definitely,
Speaker 2: but never in the history of our listeners are confused, Okay,
Speaker 2: because Steve done through us all anyway. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: welcome to Quest Love, Supreme and Alternative Reality. This is
Speaker 2: Quest Love and with Teams Supreme, Boss Bill. It's like Ea, Sugar,
Speaker 2: Steve shout out to Fontigelow and his countertop and unpaid
Speaker 2: bill somewhere on Sesame Street. But we're We're strong today.
Speaker 2: Our guest today is the star of stage and the
Speaker 2: small and big screen. Her credits include Creed from the
Speaker 2: Rocky franchise Do You Write People? Uh, Selma, right, people,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that again? No do over, There's no do over,
Speaker 2: No Selma, Annihilation, Thor for Colored Girls, and this summer
Speaker 2: she stars as Detroit and be critically acclaimed already, so
Speaker 2: so much claim about this film. It's not even coming
Speaker 2: out to July, and we critically claimed Boots Riley the
Speaker 2: directorial debut, and the science surrealist comedy Sorry to Bother You.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: She's also been present behind the camera as well as
Speaker 2: part of the Times Up movement, uh slowly helping to
Speaker 2: redirect the course for women and people of color to
Speaker 2: green her pastors and speaking of witch, speaking of pastors,
Speaker 2: rumor has it that she's also a goat m Uh.
Speaker 2: We would like to welcome the world's finest goat enthusiasts. Yes,
Speaker 2: Tessa Thompson. I gotta ask, how did that whole testa
Speaker 2: the goat thing come up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: That's a Twitter handle I expressed that I liked goats,
Speaker 7: I guess on some public platform, wish he was here now,
Speaker 7: And somebody started taking photographs of me and putting them
Speaker 7: next to photographs of goats that look that are dressed
Speaker 7: like I'm dressed, or posed like I'm posed, and it's
Speaker 7: pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: It's kind of scary, though, goat because that the yellow
Speaker 2: dress one. I mean, it's sometimes they made the outfit
Speaker 2: and then put the goat in that yellow dress and
Speaker 2: had it in the same facial express right.
Speaker 7: And then there's some people, some conspiracy theorists or some
Speaker 7: people that don't believe in just good things that think
Speaker 7: that I'm behind this account, and I just want to
Speaker 7: say that I'm not.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with I know you're not. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing in stalking you. Yeah. I went
Speaker 1: through every every comment, everything, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not her.
Speaker 8: It's not me.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 8: I wish it was. I wish I was that you
Speaker 8: drink goat's milk and eat goatmeal.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 7: I'm not into goat products. I'm just into goats.
Speaker 1: I got it. I see. I really wish that, Sorry,
Speaker 1: Zarah was here, right you're on the account. It's great, right,
Speaker 1: it's god.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like that's the point where I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 7: And and then some people were tweeting like at Desil
Speaker 7: Thompson is such a good sport, Like there's this idea
Speaker 7: that I also look like a goat, and I'm embracing
Speaker 7: the fact.
Speaker 8: But and now I'm cool with that too, Like my
Speaker 8: eyes are whites set apart, Like it's fine, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start the interview. Stop. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: know about the account. Yeah, welcome to this show. I
Speaker 1: guess today you're.
Speaker 2: Doing like a bunch of press junkets and things because
Speaker 2: you're immaculately dressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And all the years I've known you, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I've never seen.
Speaker 4: This is you.
Speaker 1: When you're on television dressed. I never know. I mean
Speaker 1: you know that, Like, I've never seen you look like
Speaker 1: you look on TV.
Speaker 8: So that's what I say. She looks press junk ist
Speaker 8: chic today.
Speaker 2: Yes, some people help me, who's your stylist?
Speaker 7: These guys named Mike and Wayman, they're dope. They're friends,
Speaker 7: they like were competitors sort of. And then they were like,
Speaker 7: let's just work together?
Speaker 8: How does one How does a starlet find the perfect style?
Speaker 1: I always want?
Speaker 8: I mean that's what you want?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 7: They they actually kind of stalked me. They asked if
Speaker 7: I was wasn't working with anyone? See this is what
Speaker 7: you're talking about. I didn't have my my proverbial ship together.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 8: I was just like I would just show up, like
Speaker 8: I'll just wear this and then not for my life.
Speaker 7: But they dressed me for when I appear in public spaces.
Speaker 1: They I meant for the meg.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they dressed me for the Megal and Tom Brown
Speaker 8: they made that dress for me.
Speaker 1: How does okay? I was going to say, how does
Speaker 1: that work? Like does a designer? I think to you first,
Speaker 1: like what what is the what is the uh kind
Speaker 1: of the protocol for? Because that guy is such a
Speaker 1: cool kids family club that the.
Speaker 2: Rest of the world kind of watches like through the window,
Speaker 2: like what's going? But how does one do?
Speaker 7: They are like tears of coolness even there, like you're
Speaker 7: at least from.
Speaker 8: Okay because even I've reposted the picture. I think Lena
Speaker 8: Waite posted the picture of your whole crew, and it's
Speaker 8: funny because I reposted the picture it was you.
Speaker 6: It was you know, it was Lena, it was about
Speaker 6: to say black Panther and his sister. It was Chad,
Speaker 6: it was the T shirt. It was it was a
Speaker 6: beautiful crowd of people and I was put under the picture.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, this is the photo that
Speaker 6: the press won't send out, but this is the one
Speaker 6: that you wanted to be.
Speaker 8: I know, well, I think it might have been.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is my first year, but it seems
Speaker 7: like it's probably the blackest met that there has ever been.
Speaker 7: And how that picture happened is there were a couple
Speaker 7: of us just already in the hallway and we were like,
Speaker 7: someone started taking a picture of zone, like we want
Speaker 7: this picture. So everyone black after dinner meet in the
Speaker 7: hallway and then it got just like loud and fun.
Speaker 7: And then Frances McDorman came and then she realized everyone
Speaker 7: was black, so she was like maybe I should leave.
Speaker 7: And then and then White was like, no, you're an
Speaker 7: ally like get insists you're cool. But it was yet
Speaker 7: it was a young black and gifted experience. It was
Speaker 7: really it was cool. It was cool because you're right
Speaker 7: in the sense of like from the rest of the
Speaker 7: world's perception, there's this thing of like it's the cool kids.
Speaker 7: It feels like it's also just like who's in the
Speaker 7: zeitgeist at that moment and who's in the cultural conversation,
Speaker 7: And so it felt good to look around at that
Speaker 7: hallway and be like, folks that are in the conversation
Speaker 7: and like moving and shaking, are all these really red
Speaker 7: black people people of color?
Speaker 2: Like, based on what I saw on Instagram, you guys,
Speaker 2: even though y'all would sort of be the perceived outcast,
Speaker 2: i e. Not the Kardashians, Yeah, not Rhiann and not
Speaker 2: j Low and you know, like the typical Blake Lively
Speaker 2: or whatever, but y'all seem way cooler and based on
Speaker 2: you know, the comments like that seemed like the coolest
Speaker 2: met Gallip Ball someone someone put up like the first
Speaker 2: year compared to oh, last year, and it was just
Speaker 2: like there was no comparison then.
Speaker 1: It was like that.
Speaker 8: But anyway, Yeah, it's I guess it's a good time,
Speaker 8: all right. So where were you born Los Angeles? Okay,
Speaker 8: what part Hollywood?
Speaker 7: Well, Glendale technically was where I lived when I was little,
Speaker 7: and then Hollywood and then moved to the West Side
Speaker 7: to get to a.
Speaker 8: Better school district.
Speaker 2: Glendale with the world famous roller skating rink. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the uh.
Speaker 1: Every Hollywood roll bounce.
Speaker 2: Like any time that you've seen roller skating in a
Speaker 2: video or in Hollywood, it happens at that place.
Speaker 8: About to savans uh disorderlease roll bouts.
Speaker 1: Seriously there.
Speaker 2: Simpson as the roller skating teacher. I don't know, but yes,
Speaker 2: true story.
Speaker 7: I crashed Snoop Dogg's birthday party there one Oh wow.
Speaker 7: Really was not an invited guest.
Speaker 1: Did you know that it was happening.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I heard it was happening, and I was in
Speaker 7: another bar with my friend Shelby, and I was like,
Speaker 7: let's go, We're just gonna get in there.
Speaker 2: You seem like the type of person that knows that
Speaker 2: if you do something with confidence, it just happened.
Speaker 8: I also had this is the thing.
Speaker 7: I was like seventeen or yeah, seventeen or I was
Speaker 7: not twenty one yet, and I had a fake ID
Speaker 7: and I was out in Hollywood because I.
Speaker 2: Was the death Row years, Dangerous Snoop years exactly, my
Speaker 2: uncle Snoop Years.
Speaker 8: Okay, listen.
Speaker 7: So I was walking with two girlfriends from mine and
Speaker 7: Snoop Dogg was going in the back door of a
Speaker 7: Hollywood club and he had like twenty six people with
Speaker 7: him and he was like yo yo and told us
Speaker 7: to come, and I was like it's Snoop, like we
Speaker 7: gotta go, and we didn't go because you were like
Speaker 7: do we go?
Speaker 1: Do we not go?
Speaker 8: So I was like, it's happening now, I'm going to
Speaker 8: go to your party.
Speaker 1: I want Tom How I.
Speaker 8: Didn't really meet him. I just like rolled around. It
Speaker 8: was really fund was scared of me.
Speaker 1: Because like death row Ara, Snoop is way.
Speaker 8: Differ No, but he's now No. I didn't go then.
Speaker 7: First I went to his birthday party and I think
Speaker 7: that was like he was snoop lyon then, so we're fine,
Speaker 7: oh yeah Snoop line is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, wow, yes, that's.
Speaker 1: Kindler, gentler Snoop.
Speaker 8: Yeah, kind of wait how long has he been Snoop lying?
Speaker 1: That was like not anymore?
Speaker 2: He maybe wind like what two thousand and seven, No,
Speaker 2: it's like twenty twelve. I think, oh, Grandpap Snoop Now Yeah,
Speaker 2: So in Glendale, Well, I okay, I'm gonna try and
Speaker 2: act like I don't know your history already, but for
Speaker 2: our listeners.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I don't know, Shi tell me I don't
Speaker 8: know anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was still mind blowing that your father's genius.
Speaker 2: How's he doing, by the way.
Speaker 8: He's really good.
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, he's really good. He moved to New York
Speaker 7: when I was My folks weren't together. He moved to
Speaker 7: New York when I was like seven or eight, and
Speaker 7: so I would come here all the time.
Speaker 1: I came here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was by coastal.
Speaker 7: So he came here for a while because he just
Speaker 7: signed a record deal and he was like supposed to
Speaker 7: hear from music, and then he just fell in love
Speaker 7: with the city and eventually fell in love and had
Speaker 7: my little brother, my little sister. So I grew up
Speaker 7: between here and Brooklyn, and my folks were on four
Speaker 7: Green for like fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Your father being Mark Anthony to Chocolate Genius.
Speaker 8: Yea, And I will say, tell me something about his music,
Speaker 8: like how would people remember chocolate genius.
Speaker 1: To be uh, he was part of a black renaissance,
Speaker 1: like in the early arts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think made work like he has one
Speaker 7: record called black music. And I mean he's sort of
Speaker 7: a musician that's hard to categorize. And I think so often,
Speaker 7: particularly for like black musicians, they want to box you
Speaker 7: into this space like you're an R and B artist
Speaker 7: and that maybe isn't you.
Speaker 8: So he kind of a mirror kind of talk about that.
Speaker 6: She he likened him to like an early Martin Luther,
Speaker 6: Cody Chessn. That's somebody who is kind of like out
Speaker 6: the box.
Speaker 2: In the early arts, there was Saul Williams, Martin Luther,
Speaker 2: Chocolate Genius.
Speaker 1: At some point.
Speaker 2: I mean, even I guess Rasign was sort of he
Speaker 2: was still making stuff in the late nineties early ught,
Speaker 2: so he was in that circle. I mean it wasn't
Speaker 2: official circle, but sort of like the the alternative alternative black,
Speaker 2: Like there was leftist center black, yeah, of Neils, and
Speaker 2: then there was even the leftist center to that.
Speaker 8: So what is that like being growing up being the
Speaker 8: door of a left left left left left artist?
Speaker 7: Did you you guys ever listen to Lightspeed Champion, who's
Speaker 7: the before Blood Orange. Yeah, My dad like sort of
Speaker 7: occupied that space before other people were occupying that space
Speaker 7: in terms of not just like sonically the sound, but
Speaker 7: also Chocolate Genius was this creation.
Speaker 8: So yeah, dad was a pioneer in ways.
Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of I think I don't know, I think
Speaker 7: that he would say something different probably, but I don't know,
Speaker 7: it was cool because it meant like being in New
Speaker 7: York I was, you know, like especially Fort Green at
Speaker 7: that time. I mean, it's still cool, but it just
Speaker 7: felt so rich. It was before sort of like before gentrification.
Speaker 7: So you know, we would be outside on our stupid
Speaker 7: like mos stuff would walk by our like Rosie Perez
Speaker 7: or you know, Spike Lee or it just and I
Speaker 7: would go, you know, with my dad to the public
Speaker 7: theater and like see plays and it just you know,
Speaker 7: I was like sixteen at the time, so it just
Speaker 7: felt like, well, I want to be a part of
Speaker 7: this world of people making things and such.
Speaker 8: A difference in the culture from Glendale to Fort Green.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, yeah, wildly so.
Speaker 2: So at the time when you you're witnessing this, were
Speaker 2: you yourself thinking about a career in music or anywhere
Speaker 2: in the arts, Like what was your talent as a kid.
Speaker 1: Or a teenager.
Speaker 7: I always acted in school, but I didn't think about
Speaker 7: it as a career. I always thought that I would
Speaker 7: I don't know that I would like be a teacher
Speaker 7: or be a lawyer, go into politics.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I felt like I.
Speaker 7: Wanted to make a contribution in some way, and maybe
Speaker 7: because of my proximity to being around artists.
Speaker 8: I just felt like, I don't know, is this possible
Speaker 8: for me? Is this something that I could do or
Speaker 8: will do?
Speaker 1: So what was the moment that you had the inspiration like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do.
Speaker 7: I think it was just like at a time where
Speaker 7: I realized it was such a compulsion that it was
Speaker 7: like such a thorn in my side that it wasn't gonna.
Speaker 8: Let me go.
Speaker 7: And at that point, like I didn't go to college,
Speaker 7: Like I dropped out, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 7: there was nothing else I was qualified to do.
Speaker 1: I was like, where you go to college?
Speaker 7: Well, I went to community college and then I was
Speaker 7: supposed to transfer to Berkeley, and I like just decided
Speaker 7: not to and took a semester off and started taking classes,
Speaker 7: and I just I don't know.
Speaker 8: I was performing so much. I was doing theater in
Speaker 8: la It just was all I really cared about.
Speaker 7: It was the only thing I cared about that the
Speaker 7: idea of like being bad at it felt crippling to me.
Speaker 7: Everything else I could sort of dabble in and not
Speaker 7: be that good at and move on.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Like, because as productive and as busy as you are
Speaker 2: right now, I would have thought like this took meticulous planning,
Speaker 2: and you had vision boards and you did when you
Speaker 2: repeat mantras, and you know, I would post it notes
Speaker 2: one hundred million records more than thriller like, but you
Speaker 2: just like you know, it was a throw on my side.
Speaker 8: I decided to well, yeah, maybe I'm underselling it. No
Speaker 8: I don't. I didn't. I didn't have I didn't have
Speaker 8: vision boards.
Speaker 7: But I think the other thing too, just just like truthfully,
Speaker 7: I felt like there's just more interesting work to do
Speaker 7: now if you look like me when I first started,
Speaker 7: that wasn't necessarily the case. So I think I not
Speaker 7: that I had ambivalence towards it, but there was a
Speaker 7: part of me that was like is this sustainable, like
Speaker 7: if I can I make a living at this? And
Speaker 7: also is this going to be able to captivate me
Speaker 7: and like hold my interest? And so yeah, I think
Speaker 7: there has been an evolution.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that.
Speaker 2: Maybe around the time when Thor came along. Then I realized,
Speaker 2: because I'm not go to front like I'm a marvel head.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen a couple of Marvel films. But
Speaker 2: in my head, I don't know the history of I
Speaker 2: can't pronounce it me.
Speaker 1: Valkyri.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know the history of her. But I
Speaker 2: would imagine that, maybe initially that that role was written Witten,
Speaker 2: what's for on my ars? My man, I'll just be
Speaker 2: a rabbit. That role was written for. It was written for,
Speaker 2: I would imagine for a white character.
Speaker 8: And it was written it was written for a white lady.
Speaker 8: They wasn't happy about this black lady.
Speaker 1: Whoa call anyway? No, but the fact that all of
Speaker 1: your roles you seem to to.
Speaker 2: Masterfully uh steer your career in a place where it's
Speaker 2: it's not typical at all, especially for for black acts
Speaker 2: like I know worthy black actresses. Yes, I know worthy
Speaker 2: black actresses that because roles are far between, they might
Speaker 2: have to compromise some ship. And do you know Where's
Speaker 2: the Where's the Potato Salad?
Speaker 1: Part three? You know, straight to DVD or just something
Speaker 1: to Yeah it's a real movie.
Speaker 8: No, No it's not. Yes, yes, Where's the Potato Salad
Speaker 8: is a real film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's actually really one hilarious scene and due wait
Speaker 2: you watched it?
Speaker 1: Watched it in what year?
Speaker 8: Was that made I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: Hey man, trust me. When the interview is over, I
Speaker 1: will say, the most funny thing is it funny? Like
Speaker 1: that's funny funny? The scene I'm going to show you
Speaker 1: is fucking hilarious, like genuinely nious.
Speaker 8: I think I rented it from next I want to
Speaker 8: see it.
Speaker 1: Wait, slight rabbit Hole? All right? Are you?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 8: Why?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 8: Why can't we have it? Why is that a problem?
Speaker 8: I love dos my car? You have a point? We
Speaker 8: just I mean, it's just that we don't have enough.
Speaker 8: We don't have enough, but we don't have enough content.
Speaker 8: We don't have enough and don't have enough representations, so
Speaker 8: said the world.
Speaker 2: There's no balance there canna be used in my car.
Speaker 2: But then there's Mississippi burning and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think, and when it comes to black films,
Speaker 2: I think we have too many serious films and not enough.
Speaker 1: No, we have earnest films like common film.
Speaker 8: We're still but we don't have a lot of Wherever
Speaker 8: you're going with that.
Speaker 1: Route that I call him ernest camp. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is we don't have it. We don't have enough.
Speaker 2: Like silly comedies aim to younger kids, you know, the teenagers.
Speaker 2: There's not really that many of those right now, right now,
Speaker 2: there used to be there. Yeah, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: like I think Nick Cannon is probably feeling that, like
Speaker 2: his production can become funny as far as funny stuff
Speaker 2: like silly do work.
Speaker 8: They got dope kids, and that's not funny. Dope dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't. I was too no.
Speaker 8: I like dope. It was dope, but it wasn't funny.
Speaker 2: You know why I was mad at the it's gonna
Speaker 2: sound really really anal the band scenes. I hated the
Speaker 2: band scenes because the music didn't match.
Speaker 8: The band scenes are always tough movies.
Speaker 10: Were the two that looks at your finger And it's
Speaker 10: not even that, it's the fact you've got Pharrell's tenny
Speaker 10: drums and plinky sounds and you've got people with actual
Speaker 10: guitars and keyboards sitting there.
Speaker 1: It just I couldn't watch it.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, you missed the plot. What about the plot
Speaker 8: and the act.
Speaker 2: It was too distracting. It was too distracting. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's funny. We have the same outlook, but I was
Speaker 2: willing to let it go. I didn't even gate that Okay.
Speaker 8: Did you do a Twitter I like when you do
Speaker 8: brands about things like Instagram retoring rants? Did you do
Speaker 8: any rans?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: I didn't about dopey sounds and I do those you like?
Speaker 1: I believe you're first.
Speaker 8: I believe this is a widow. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Is about to lose invites and the ghost Where's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's a real film, Steve. Also, the
Speaker 2: Roscoes Chicken and Waffle Comedy is also.
Speaker 1: A real film.
Speaker 6: Well, Roscoe's is a real film. Roscoe Go Back Home
Speaker 6: or whatever? That's the Martin joint with.
Speaker 1: No, there's a.
Speaker 7: Alright, see this all you have to do assume I'm
Speaker 7: gonna go home. If where's the potato cells on Netflix?
Speaker 7: I will watch five seconds of it? So then my
Speaker 7: whole feet is like because you liked you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 8: And that's even all the deep cuts, all the deep
Speaker 8: cuts are like this is a film, like wait ahead,
Speaker 8: but I like for a white pot Oh no, that's
Speaker 8: not what I'm saying. Have you ever had Japanese potatoes?
Speaker 8: First of all, what do who tells them to do that? Okay,
Speaker 8: yes they do that, they do that.
Speaker 1: Have you had it?
Speaker 7: It's delicious. It's like it's like eating a cloud, like
Speaker 7: it's very mashed. It's really good. I'm sorry, it's good.
Speaker 1: Where do you find this? I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean in Japan. But also like potatoes in Japan.
Speaker 1: Huh, there's no potatoes in Japan. Cheese either, But.
Speaker 8: The Japanese love cheese. They love mayo too.
Speaker 1: Where's your source of information for this? Steve from from
Speaker 1: eating in Japanese restaurants?
Speaker 8: Oh wait, it's been in Japan.
Speaker 2: It's about to be the most ignorant. All right, all's
Speaker 2: ruined that. No, I'm taking my back.
Speaker 8: So can I just say so? What you're saying is
Speaker 8: you prefer I did not see a record. Do you
Speaker 8: prefer the Japanese potatoes?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just
Speaker 8: said that. I don't I don't dismiss. I don't think the.
Speaker 7: Potato salad always has to be yellow. I don't want
Speaker 7: fruit in my potato salad.
Speaker 6: But if you're coming to the cookout, but American potato
Speaker 6: salad should be yellow, how about that?
Speaker 8: Can we agree on that? That's yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Now y'all got me thinking, no raisins, No raisins.
Speaker 8: No, no raisins. But also I don't mind like a
Speaker 8: different kind of mustard sometimes like a whole.
Speaker 1: Brain, like a.
Speaker 8: Yellow. But I agree with you Bill, y'all can't see
Speaker 8: what he's doing.
Speaker 1: But I only get my black carveroot.
Speaker 8: Ain't no place invested, so she can she can let
Speaker 8: her go with that one. We give her that one
Speaker 8: because you win it.
Speaker 1: We found an incredible rabbitue did we did?
Speaker 2: How are you able to navigate and stay active in
Speaker 2: a town that doesn't cater to you structurally to you?
Speaker 7: And I think maybe I have my dad to think
Speaker 7: for that in a sense, because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 7: I got to see my dad be an artist do
Speaker 7: his thing that felt really singular and not make concessions.
Speaker 7: And sometimes it meant that we were eating really good
Speaker 7: and stuff was great, and we were shopping what color
Speaker 7: do you wanted in? Like I don't gotta choose both,
Speaker 7: And sometimes that wasn't the case, you know, And so yeah,
Speaker 7: sometimes you make money and sometimes you don't because you
Speaker 7: just aren't going to do certain things.
Speaker 8: But will we ever see you in a Tyler Perry
Speaker 8: or will Packer moving? I've been in a Tyler for color, Okay, you're.
Speaker 6: Cheating because I mean, really, you were in for Colored Girls,
Speaker 6: and who could say no to the movie version for
Speaker 6: Colored Girls no matter who did it. And I'm gonna say,
Speaker 6: like I said to Miss Felicia that if Debbie Allen
Speaker 6: would have Debbie.
Speaker 2: Anybody, anybody, I gotta throw I wish, you know, and
Speaker 2: Zing and Stewart had directed it like.
Speaker 8: Supposed to, I know, and her treatment sounded so beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was it would have propelled her past or at
Speaker 1: least equal to right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's yeah, but you know what, I truly believe
Speaker 7: if the film were being made today, she would be
Speaker 7: the choice.
Speaker 8: And this is no shade to Tyler. It's like they
Speaker 8: wanted to get that movie made.
Speaker 6: Crazy when you think about her in retrospect, because at
Speaker 6: the very least, I mean that we put her in
Speaker 6: the least, but Ava would have been the director of
Speaker 6: that movie Aba or in Zinger. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 6: today in popularity and in sense of female empowerment.
Speaker 7: And cultural conversation, which is like for us by a
Speaker 7: we want to be able to tell our own stories.
Speaker 7: If it's a you know, it's not that men can't
Speaker 7: be involved in telling our story, but like if it's
Speaker 7: a female centric film, like yo, let a woman tell it.
Speaker 8: And he couldn't even give it to Debbie Allen. It
Speaker 8: just makes me man your sisters, Yeah, she did almost
Speaker 8: she did give us know that she was a part
Speaker 8: of pronouncing her name wrong this whole time. Damn what
Speaker 8: a culture for is? Please test it? How you pronounce
Speaker 8: her name? Well, now I'm nervous that I'm pronouncing it.
Speaker 4: Ca.
Speaker 8: So you're right, it's Cassie Lemons. Okay, question. My dad
Speaker 8: once told me that it's not SHOT's chart. That's Truegeria.
Speaker 8: I think one knows that though.
Speaker 1: The thing like, yeah, pronounced pronounce.
Speaker 8: Everyone says, and also, did you guys see that I
Speaker 8: was trying to do it?
Speaker 1: Channel the four of us can see it physically described
Speaker 1: what you were about.
Speaker 2: We'll take pictures. We'll take pictures. Yes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is like Wayne's World meets Let's just throw everything
Speaker 2: out there. What did you have for breakfast?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: I had.
Speaker 8: The embarrassed you're from Cali? I know I had. I
Speaker 8: had rye toast with some avocado, uh, some greens. Very la.
Speaker 8: It's just very l A.
Speaker 7: I don't need eggs never in my life, not scrambled,
Speaker 7: not omeleted. Not I have had a bite of for Toto,
Speaker 7: that's it.
Speaker 8: Never know a bite of it. But I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so breakfast is a hard thing for me.
Speaker 1: You don't like yellow potato salad because well, the eggs done.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the mustard mirrors not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I'm not sorry.
Speaker 8: Your's bougie, I know, but this is the thing. Can
Speaker 8: you be like, if you're truly a foodie, you don't
Speaker 8: want your potato salad all that yellow. I don't know
Speaker 8: what you're saying, test, there's a limit.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a limited a yellow, but you better
Speaker 6: equal it out with some relish, you know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, hello, I.
Speaker 2: Want to see we can do a whole ninety minute
Speaker 2: episode based on potatoes salad.
Speaker 8: I feel like I'm walking into dangerous territory. But I
Speaker 8: will prefer Celery.
Speaker 1: I love you so much. This episode is gonna be
Speaker 1: super lit.
Speaker 8: Thin ley slice. But I don't know. I like the crunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2: See why don't they put cucumber and stuff instead of
Speaker 2: Now you're now pushing it.
Speaker 1: I hate celery, Okay, I think it's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a purpose. It's the crunch. It's the crunch. Don't
Speaker 1: you ship in there that don't taste like ship?
Speaker 8: Celery doesn't taste like anything?
Speaker 1: Mind?
Speaker 8: You know what's speaking of publicist?
Speaker 7: I've always said, don't you feel like sometimes when food
Speaker 7: has a moment, like certain that has a publicist like
Speaker 7: I s I E or like like remember or like Kale?
Speaker 8: I'm like?
Speaker 7: And also, who's the publicist for Romayne? Because Romaine right now?
Speaker 8: Can I eat it? Is it safe? I don't know,
Speaker 8: they need to talk to the publicist for Kale because
Speaker 8: Cale was killing it.
Speaker 4: I know, Ki.
Speaker 8: K's not that culturally relevant right now. It was. And
Speaker 8: my grandmother was like, what are you all talking about?
Speaker 8: We've been calling for Kale, but we weren't calling it Kale,
Speaker 8: which is greens.
Speaker 1: What are you promoting right now?
Speaker 6: Just guys, ask Vakriye questions as you asked the Vacrie questions.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to know, and you probably can't really
Speaker 6: answer this question. Well, first of all, how did you
Speaker 6: feel about Valkerie not being in the Avengers movie? And
Speaker 6: then is she going to be in the second one?
Speaker 6: Because it seems like they might need some help.
Speaker 8: I was I was I was cool with not you know,
Speaker 8: I was doing other stuff. I was happy she lives.
Speaker 8: That's hurt any word that she's going to be her assisting. Okay,
Speaker 8: I don't know if you've seen The Avengers.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen it Black Panther either. You say I
Speaker 2: haven't seen Black Panther. I'm the only black person in
Speaker 2: the world that has not seen Black Panther yet. Wait
Speaker 2: why because I was busy doing what Well, yeah, the
Speaker 2: headaches and stuff, I get it, I get it, but
Speaker 2: just it's now Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really I did not notice.
Speaker 8: How does how does?
Speaker 6: It's funny because I was thinking, since it was kind
Speaker 6: of well Blackera was before a Black Panther, but as
Speaker 6: a person in the Marvel scope of things, how did.
Speaker 8: That feel like just the Black Panther was existing in
Speaker 8: your Marvel world? Because that's man exciting.
Speaker 7: Also just because like Ryan obviously is involved, and Michael
Speaker 7: b so and Chad is a friend of mine. It
Speaker 7: just and the film is I think so incredible. And
Speaker 7: I think sometimes it's a tricky thing when you do
Speaker 7: these big movies. You're like there's this sometimes implication inside
Speaker 7: of the industry that like you have visibility, but in
Speaker 7: some way you've like.
Speaker 8: Sold out or.
Speaker 7: You're diminished in some way, And it just felt like
Speaker 7: it's so cool to see Black Panther mean so much
Speaker 7: culturally and like push boundaries and open doors and be
Speaker 7: a big old movie like that. It's sort of legitimized
Speaker 7: why you you do movies that occupy that space?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like it helped people look forward to
Speaker 8: Valkyrie too, because.
Speaker 2: H any truth to the rumor that they might consider
Speaker 2: your demand for an all female kind of you know.
Speaker 7: The thing is, it's it's been spoken about so much
Speaker 7: in the press that and I've asked Kevin Figi.
Speaker 8: I'm like, do you feel trolled by me?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 8: Are we cool? And he's like, we're cool.
Speaker 1: I think, how did you pose it to him? Or
Speaker 1: did you just post it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 8: No, I like, we we asked him.
Speaker 7: So we were at this Marvel like ten year anniversary
Speaker 7: photo shoot thing and it was like a circle of
Speaker 7: just women talking and we were like, oh, this would
Speaker 7: be so cool, Like I wish we could do a
Speaker 7: film together.
Speaker 8: And I was like, well don't. We just asked him.
Speaker 8: So we went up to him and we're like we
Speaker 8: should do this? Should we do this? And then yeah,
Speaker 8: it's exactly literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would at least think that, at least for
Speaker 1: today that.
Speaker 2: Even if not for the reasons why they should do it,
Speaker 2: but they could see that this is would be such
Speaker 2: a monumental moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And also that it's commercially viable. I think that's the
Speaker 8: other thing.
Speaker 1: Are they still like being controlled by like the sexist troll?
Speaker 8: No, No, I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I think I think it's that they're their thing is
Speaker 7: like super well crafted, and they have ideas in terms
Speaker 7: of every phase they they they just have mapping and
Speaker 7: they have they have ideas about timing and rollout and
Speaker 7: you know, it's really masterful. So it's I don't think
Speaker 7: it's that. And they also want to feel like they're
Speaker 7: never you know, they have such an incredible relationship with fans,
Speaker 7: but they don't like the idea that that they're ever
Speaker 7: pandering to to fans, And so if they make a film,
Speaker 7: they want to make it because they really believe in
Speaker 7: it and it makes sense in terms of the scope
Speaker 7: of the whole universe.
Speaker 1: It is a matter of somebody coming up with the
Speaker 1: right story.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 7: And also in terms of like I think they're always
Speaker 7: trying to find cool crossover and that's happening anyways with
Speaker 7: Captain Marvel, and like.
Speaker 8: You know, yes, that's what that was.
Speaker 1: Were you into the Marvel universe as a kid?
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not so, so how do you
Speaker 2: did you feel as though you had to like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got to do my homework and yeah, because satisfy
Speaker 2: these fanboys kind of yeah.
Speaker 7: Because I didn't really know anything about it. And then
Speaker 7: also because like you said, I really was not written
Speaker 7: for someone.
Speaker 8: Like me, so it was you know, really you know.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so I felt like I really had to
Speaker 8: understand the character in the world.
Speaker 2: What was the because of the what appeared to be
Speaker 2: the physical grueling process of the film as far as
Speaker 2: your action scenes and stuff.
Speaker 1: How much physical preparation did you have to do a.
Speaker 8: Lot, which was tricky because I was making Annihilation.
Speaker 7: I made Annihilation and then I wrapped that and like
Speaker 7: three days later I was in Australia making Thor So
Speaker 7: it was hard to balance those.
Speaker 8: But I had to learn like sword work and fighting
Speaker 8: and I had never done any of that stuff before.
Speaker 7: And then also just like put on a lot of
Speaker 7: muscle mass. You have the game wed yeah again, like
Speaker 7: fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2: Of just like muscle bab see.
Speaker 1: I thought it was give you the grab. I mean
Speaker 1: that's legit mean man, okay, I'm impressed.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was not that I really had muscles. I
Speaker 8: was strong. I could do a bunch of only cost
Speaker 8: more money to put the muscles on you, you know,
Speaker 8: through video than to actually just put the muscles on. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but sometimes you just I mean, they v affects those
Speaker 8: whole movies. So no, I really did. I worked really hard.
Speaker 1: Give me and I ate a lot of stuff potatoes.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 8: Rotein. We can move past. We have other things to do.
Speaker 8: What I want to ask you because the more and
Speaker 8: more you get into these, uh these commercial roles like
Speaker 8: you know, the Marvel, the West World. You are, of
Speaker 8: course a big activist period. I won't just even just
Speaker 8: say with the women's movement.
Speaker 6: Have you felt somebody trying to kind of put the
Speaker 6: class on you yet because you are now you're this
Speaker 6: major commercial actress.
Speaker 8: In a way you mean in terms of how I
Speaker 8: use my voice. Yes, yes, that's no. I think I've
Speaker 8: just had like a couple of.
Speaker 7: Experiences where I'm like, is social media that the best
Speaker 7: place to do that? And I think we're also in
Speaker 7: this space right now of like internet activism, and it's
Speaker 7: not enough. And I think the experience of really like
Speaker 7: some of my experiences with times up and actually like
Speaker 7: organizing and doing the work is just more powerful than
Speaker 7: talking about what you're doing sometimes and you've been in people.
Speaker 8: I appreciate that let people know who is really about.
Speaker 7: That, But now I'm just mostly I just want to
Speaker 7: talk about goats because it's like a safer space.
Speaker 8: It's just the same.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't think you caught that much
Speaker 2: black because a lot of people agreed with pretty much
Speaker 2: everything that you've been saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it made me follow you more to be honest.
Speaker 6: Oh really well yeah, just in between that and the
Speaker 6: essence speech, I was like, oh, I gotta go back
Speaker 6: and get me some test of times.
Speaker 7: But see that's the other thing in terms of the
Speaker 7: essence speech, like it's like those are conversations I want
Speaker 7: to have and I'm available to. Like, colorism in this
Speaker 7: industry is real, and it's like has benefited me obviously immensely,
Speaker 7: and because of that, I feel like a responsibility to
Speaker 7: acknowledge it and to have nuanced conversations about it. And
Speaker 7: I do that privately inside of my space. There's certain
Speaker 7: roles I don't take. There's certain things I won't do
Speaker 7: because of that. But I think engaging in a more
Speaker 7: public conversation is something I'm willing to do. I think
Speaker 7: it's just hard it, you know, in terms of like also,
Speaker 7: it frustrates me that like what journalism has become, that
Speaker 7: you could look on someone's Instagram and take something they
Speaker 7: say in a comment and write an article about it.
Speaker 7: Like it feels unfair. And I'm newly sort of navigating
Speaker 7: what it is to be a public figure in that way.
Speaker 8: And yeah, all of us, right, but so yeah, we
Speaker 8: just live in public in a new way.
Speaker 7: And it's not something that I'm particularly interested and I'm
Speaker 7: not fond of it, and i'm not frankly, i'm not
Speaker 7: good at it. Like I'm not say what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm petrified by it. So it makes me want
Speaker 7: to take like a step back, and it.
Speaker 8: Makes you like retreat as you're about to post something
Speaker 8: like well should I I don't that feeling of even
Speaker 8: that is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I feel really like like Disney Marvel, like
Speaker 7: I've been astonished, like no one's like, hey, like, you.
Speaker 8: Know, we need you to shut the fuck.
Speaker 1: No, okay, I'm sorry, hey man, it's this is the
Speaker 1: way she said it. How do how does she say, Bill,
Speaker 1: let's do it again.
Speaker 8: To shut the.
Speaker 6: He as you said at the end of that speech,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, says we just I'm in the speech because
Speaker 6: I said notes and everything you said at the end
Speaker 6: of the speech, at the essence speech that you were
Speaker 6: hoping that you guys could have follow up.
Speaker 8: Meetings to that and whatnot. How has that been going
Speaker 8: with the sisters?
Speaker 7: It's been good with the sisters, so so so one
Speaker 7: thing that's exciting to report is probably so so in
Speaker 7: terms of the structure of times Up, there are kind
Speaker 7: of folks, there are subgroups, and I would say.
Speaker 8: One of the most like.
Speaker 7: Vibrant, active and engaged subgroup with d times Up is
Speaker 7: called Woke Women of Color.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's lit. It's like it's like it's just
Speaker 8: very like robust and real.
Speaker 7: And I think there's a lot there's just a real
Speaker 7: acknowledgment that without that that we're such an important piece.
Speaker 7: And historically, I think feminism too often has sort of
Speaker 7: ignored the voices of women in color, women of color
Speaker 7: and hasn't been.
Speaker 8: In don't even because I have to tell people all
Speaker 8: the time. I used to hate when the Hillary Swank
Speaker 8: trailer would come on for her women's rights movie or whatever,
Speaker 8: and then it would come on right before like the
Speaker 8: Housewives of Atlanta. I'd be like, so, did these white
Speaker 8: ladies know that we can vote for another like almost
Speaker 8: seventy years? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, how easy was it to navigate
Speaker 2: your way in the Hollywood women's movement?
Speaker 1: You guys gathered almost in the hundreds.
Speaker 2: I know that you guys were, but how hard was
Speaker 2: it to one explain, uh, to people that weren't aware
Speaker 2: of the different.
Speaker 1: Levels of obstacles that that we face. Yeah, exactly, because
Speaker 1: I know in the beginning it was sort of like
Speaker 1: kind of koumbayas. But then I talked to you know,
Speaker 1: people out of the chat and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: explaining this one of them, Yeah, it's and there was
Speaker 1: something that meant, well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for some there's this there's a steep learning curve.
Speaker 7: I mean real talk, like, there are certain rooms that
Speaker 7: I was absolutely invited into because.
Speaker 8: Of what I look like in the sense of safe.
Speaker 1: Right did you call it? This feels like tokenism or yeah,
Speaker 1: well I.
Speaker 7: Was really lucky, like in instances that someone else called
Speaker 7: it out for me, like like being in a room
Speaker 7: and Jane fond of being like this is unacceptable, like
Speaker 7: there just has to be more. And then that there
Speaker 7: started to just be a conversation around like who's not
Speaker 7: in the room and why And then also like once
Speaker 7: you're in the room, like once you have a seat
Speaker 7: at the table.
Speaker 8: Are you really is your voice like legit heard?
Speaker 7: Because a part of that when everyone is included is
Speaker 7: like it just gets harder actually to do the work.
Speaker 7: It doesn't get easier because everyone is coming from a
Speaker 7: different point of view, you know, and so you have
Speaker 7: to really like you're gonna be at the table.
Speaker 8: Longer, probably when everyone is invited. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 8: I yeah, I called it out.
Speaker 7: But I think there was a real cognizance, you know,
Speaker 7: a cognizance, and I probably.
Speaker 8: Have like I don't have a ton of.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know, it's clout.
Speaker 8: Clout no bad yeah and ba and I don't I
Speaker 8: had less to lose, I guess you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: On the subject of the woman thing, It's interesting, how
Speaker 6: I asked Rosario Dawson the same thing because even it's
Speaker 6: there's a their color tears, and there's also like subgenres
Speaker 6: of this industry. Like earlier, we were just talking about
Speaker 6: how a certain company just pulled all our Kelly music
Speaker 6: and I said to Rosario, I said, you know, when
Speaker 6: you guys finished with the movie industry, you know this
Speaker 6: music thing is a whole nother animal. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: so is the fashion thing when you really think about it,
Speaker 6: like they it's a whole nother animal.
Speaker 8: It's more ground. So how do you guys feel about it?
Speaker 6: And I guess you would know that as well, because
Speaker 6: even and Janelle is involved as well, But it still
Speaker 6: feels like on a movie TV types of things.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. And Janelle she was saying this because
Speaker 8: we had a meeting and she was saying, like.
Speaker 7: It's tough in the music industry because there isn't the
Speaker 7: same sort of like enemy to rally around that there
Speaker 7: wasn't Harvey winstting there isn't this like public enemy number
Speaker 7: one that you sort of take down. And in some
Speaker 7: ways I think that that makes sense that it doesn't
Speaker 7: just state the same kind of like intensity, But it
Speaker 7: also felt like a problematic thing in terms of the
Speaker 7: Harvey conversation because people don't want to acknowledge them that like,
Speaker 7: if there's a systemic issue, like when you talk about,
Speaker 7: you know, a gross abuse of power, you have to
Speaker 7: also acknowledge just like the imbalance of power, which is
Speaker 7: just as gross, you know, and victimizing, and that is
Speaker 7: like much harder in some ways to take down than
Speaker 7: a Harvey on.
Speaker 8: The subject of that are kind of thing. It's hard
Speaker 8: too because, like we were saying, he touches so many things.
Speaker 8: There are so many other artists He's written for dudes.
Speaker 6: Like it's like, how far as women do we, for
Speaker 6: lack of a better term, take these dudes down because
Speaker 6: there's so much.
Speaker 8: And yeah, and it's also not just these dudes.
Speaker 7: It's also just like this this system, and there are
Speaker 7: also like women that support that system.
Speaker 8: It's not just men, you know too, Yeah, because women
Speaker 8: a lot of women have profited.
Speaker 2: So I know you're saying for profit, but do they
Speaker 2: support it or is it just a thing of like
Speaker 2: I can't fight it, so I might as well roll
Speaker 2: with it enabling.
Speaker 8: It depends on a woman, don't you think there's a
Speaker 8: certain way and your system.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so there's this really rad woman that works with
Speaker 7: Times Up but worked with the Annenberger name is Stacy Smith,
Speaker 7: and she talks about women that support the patriarchy. This
Speaker 7: is so nerdy, but they say that she says that
Speaker 7: they have high social dominance, which means that you have
Speaker 7: like a vested interest in protecting a system.
Speaker 8: That empowers you, like the overseer exactly, so that they're
Speaker 8: so that. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So sometimes people will say, like, particularly these conversations about
Speaker 7: like just hire more women, It's like, but what kind
Speaker 7: of women are you hiring?
Speaker 8: Because just hiring a woman isn't enough.
Speaker 2: Being as though you haven't had designs on acting younger
Speaker 2: and you just quote wound up in it.
Speaker 1: And I'm certain that you didn't think, like early in your.
Speaker 2: Acting career, like doing the Veronica Marsdiy's whatever, that you'd
Speaker 2: be doing all this social activism.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if that's true, though I think
Speaker 7: that was the thing for me where I was like,
Speaker 7: I don't know if I want to be in the
Speaker 7: pursuit of something I admire I don't admire, Like I
Speaker 7: think I've always wanted to be involved in in activism
Speaker 7: in some way, and even when I look back I
Speaker 7: didn't realize it at the time, but when I look
Speaker 7: back at Veronica ka Mars, that character, you know, like
Speaker 7: there she would say lines like you know, someone said,
Speaker 7: why why are you standing around here stalking?
Speaker 8: And she would say, what you mean standing while black?
Speaker 7: Like even that character wanted to sort of subvert ideas
Speaker 7: of like the sassy friend on a television show where
Speaker 7: like the very first part I ever played was an
Speaker 7: episode of Cold Case where I play a queer woman
Speaker 7: in nineteen thirty, you know, who can't live with her
Speaker 7: partner because that wasn't available to her at the time.
Speaker 7: So I feel like the things that have always compelled
Speaker 7: me have have lived in that space by designer subconscious
Speaker 7: by design or by by kis med.
Speaker 8: Or I don't know all right.
Speaker 2: Well, as far as uh, your work, I want, I
Speaker 2: definitely want to talk about how did you prepare for
Speaker 2: your role as Diane Nash and sma.
Speaker 7: Uh, Well, I I got really lucky in the sense of,
Speaker 7: you know, a lot of the leaders that were still
Speaker 7: around and available to talk to us did and then
Speaker 7: I read tons I didn't. I couldn't meet Diane before
Speaker 7: we made the film. There were some complications around that
Speaker 7: it's complicated. I think when you're telling story, when you're
Speaker 7: telling a story about people that lived during that time,
Speaker 7: and you also want to have a balance of being
Speaker 7: able to take artistic license and tell the story that
Speaker 7: you need to tell, and and so.
Speaker 1: It bigraphies are a little harder to do the person.
Speaker 7: They're hard to they're hard to do. But Diane, after
Speaker 7: seeing the movie, was super happy with it. She told
Speaker 7: a really funny story that she you know, she they
Speaker 7: did ask her in terms of who she liked, and
Speaker 7: she just like, I just want someone cute, which was
Speaker 7: she's just being funny.
Speaker 1: But I did. I went.
Speaker 7: I went to Chicago where she grew up and and
Speaker 7: you know, sort of trace her steps and talked to
Speaker 7: a lot of people that knew her, and.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, found as much as I could about her.
Speaker 11: Speaking of prep work, she sticks, yeah, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 11: pat wait, I just say you said, but Selma just
Speaker 11: wanted to ask you because I know you're going to
Speaker 11: create was that your heaven, me being surround being with Ava,
Speaker 11: being with you know, being telling that story.
Speaker 8: Those actors that cast Oprah the end of World, the
Speaker 8: end of my world, just like the sense of who
Speaker 8: we imagine Tessa is in my in my head, I
Speaker 8: was like she was happy. I was happy.
Speaker 7: But it was funny because we had a lot of
Speaker 7: conversations and cast like we would talk like, well, what
Speaker 7: kind of what part do you want to play? And
Speaker 7: so often it would be like a character that's existed,
Speaker 7: like so and so wants to play Lean to Horn
Speaker 7: and so and so I wants to play James Baldwin
Speaker 7: and that's great, and I have a list of people
Speaker 7: that I'd love to play. But I also I'm like,
Speaker 7: what about just playing a fictional character that's iconic and
Speaker 7: and so that's my heaven too, Like to get to
Speaker 7: play something that does that isn't real?
Speaker 1: Do you scream right? Like do you have aspirations of Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've been writing a little bit something and kind of
Speaker 7: want to do I was talking to Greta Gerwig. I
Speaker 7: sat next to her at the met Ball and we
Speaker 7: were talking a lot about writing. She has such like
Speaker 7: incredible things to say. Sometimes you have this idea that
Speaker 7: you just like you have to wait for some lightning bolt,
Speaker 7: And the truth is it's just like working diligence and
Speaker 7: sitting down and like committing to write something and be
Speaker 7: bad at it for a while and get better.
Speaker 1: I love her approach to like, I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of her. The mumble Chord me were part of that.
Speaker 8: No, so this is the thing I really wanted to be.
Speaker 7: So I went to this period where I was like,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna make a mumble core movie like that that.
Speaker 7: None of them have existed for us except for Medicine
Speaker 7: for Melancholy, which was my introduction, of course to Mary Jenkins.
Speaker 1: It's a movement Greta Gerwork, who uh she directed. She
Speaker 1: was up for a director this year The Girl for Ladybird,
Speaker 1: but she did Francis Has. It's weird now because it's
Speaker 1: sort of like she's the commercial darling and the newbie
Speaker 1: on in the commercial.
Speaker 8: Which she's been around for. She's been seeing her face before.
Speaker 1: Mumble Core. I mean, I guess you can say it's
Speaker 1: a brand of is it Brooklyn.
Speaker 7: It's sort of like twenty somethings. Oftentimes it's it's oftentimes
Speaker 7: the film takes place in a very short swath of
Speaker 7: time where like nothing happens, but everything happens. I think
Speaker 7: it got the word mumble core. Sometimes non actors are
Speaker 7: in it because this sound design sometimes wasn't good.
Speaker 8: So that's sort of how but there's a whole movement
Speaker 8: like dialogue more than plot exactly.
Speaker 1: It's it's uh.
Speaker 2: I would say that, no, no, no, it's it's our
Speaker 2: It would be the American version of Dogmen ninety five,
Speaker 2: where Dogmen ninety five was like there was there was
Speaker 2: a film challenge of Okay, a bunch of Danish filmmakers
Speaker 2: said that, okay, we're going to make film.
Speaker 1: With natural light, no soundtracks. It's it's almost like a
Speaker 1: bunch of.
Speaker 2: Students or or knowledgeable filmmaker makers challenging themselves.
Speaker 8: A filmmaker makers, you you bring.
Speaker 1: Out the three year older means stop. Okay.
Speaker 8: Meanwhile, I'm like, you're not talking about that Dogma with interest?
Speaker 1: Join now, I'm not talking about Dogma of the movie
Speaker 1: Dogma ninety five was uh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like a movement uh in the nineties of
Speaker 2: filmmakers challenging themselves to these restrictive uh ways of making
Speaker 2: film as a way of the equivalent of walking on
Speaker 2: top of the Empire State Building drunk with your eyes closed.
Speaker 7: See the interesting thing, So the genre is really I mean,
Speaker 7: apart from Barry Jenkins medicine for melancholy it's all white filmmakers.
Speaker 7: And I remember, like this was before I really knew
Speaker 7: about like Charles Burnett, like and you look at his
Speaker 7: film and you're like he was doing the very same
Speaker 7: thing but doesn't get credit. And I mean he's not mumblecore.
Speaker 7: But just like being like, I'm going to make a
Speaker 7: film with what I have available to me, right, you know,
Speaker 7: and use non actors and tell a story that's contained
Speaker 7: that I can do, and make beautiful images and not
Speaker 7: have it be plot driven.
Speaker 8: But yeah, there was a period when I was really like,
Speaker 8: is do I need to make a movie?
Speaker 7: Also because I was playing parts where I was like
Speaker 7: I was doing I was stuck in this period of
Speaker 7: working on television and really dissatisfied. And so I first
Speaker 7: found Greta in that time, and so to see her,
Speaker 7: to see what she's done now, to see it enter
Speaker 7: this space where she's being acknowledged.
Speaker 8: It's just so cool. It Yeah, it takes a while.
Speaker 1: I see that for you, not that I'm trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, push my vision off.
Speaker 7: Will love you for it, because he's like anytime I
Speaker 7: get new stuff, he's just like, cool, cool, When are
Speaker 7: you gonna write?
Speaker 8: When are you gonna make a movie and now you
Speaker 8: know you have a producer here that will give you
Speaker 8: the money for it. No Jesus no, but it's a movie.
Speaker 8: You always need more money. Yeah, don't you always need more?
Speaker 1: I'll be at her door, Yeah, tell her mir Thompson
Speaker 1: a mirror.
Speaker 8: That's days like.
Speaker 1: Us quest love.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm trying to hint towards a job here, okay Philadelphia?
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, no, no, no, this is not what the
Speaker 1: question that you think it is.
Speaker 2: But when you told me that you were going to
Speaker 2: start researching your role for IM about to say Rocky uh.
Speaker 1: For Creed Rocky eight wacky ye wait, but.
Speaker 2: I remember distinctively, distinctively telling you, yeah, what you shouldn't.
Speaker 7: Do, you did, like because you were also do you
Speaker 7: remember you were concerned for my well being?
Speaker 8: Mysage? Yes, why he didn't want me on Broad and Erie.
Speaker 1: Like she did the very things that I told her
Speaker 1: not to do.
Speaker 8: North Philly. Yeah, she went Max Cheese Steak. Yes, that's
Speaker 8: not even my favorite place, but that's goods Max two times. Yes,
Speaker 8: I know you still have this maxes b What happened
Speaker 8: with Max?
Speaker 1: Give you not dog?
Speaker 8: They like they don't know not not that And Philly
Speaker 8: you know, they don't be knowing you.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. You're right, You're right, you're right. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Though, Like, if you're going to treat me like an asshole,
Speaker 2: be consistent about it, Like I want you to be
Speaker 2: insisted about it, but don't three seconds later find out
Speaker 2: I am who I am and you start chasing my
Speaker 2: car down the block like bro, wait, wait, we.
Speaker 1: Didn't know the street I have.
Speaker 2: I have always listed them whenever any international magazine asked me, like.
Speaker 1: Name your cheese steaks? No, no, they are number one.
Speaker 1: And so when she said, like, you know, go to.
Speaker 8: Larry's yours, I'm chicken cheese steak. No, I'm chicken cheestick
Speaker 8: to as far as chicken cheese steaks, cables got it?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I mean.
Speaker 8: You know what I am now, I'm mushroom cheese steak.
Speaker 8: Well there are Cape City veg Yeah, yes, because I'm
Speaker 8: l a Now so I'm a burger. Oh my god, listen, mommy,
Speaker 8: thank you. I've also never had a hamburger in my life. Really,
Speaker 8: I've had.
Speaker 1: A part that is not fair.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just saying that, uh me telling you
Speaker 2: what spots to avoid in Philadelphia to research your roles.
Speaker 1: You the exact opposite, because that's because what made you
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 7: Because I was like that, that's some real Philly ship.
Speaker 7: You're trying to prevent me because you don't think I'm ready.
Speaker 2: So when you went to Chicago, you went to Kabreena
Speaker 2: and Green. No, oh, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what is decrete was a different movie? Right, like
Speaker 8: it was a different it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just saying that, you know, did you talk
Speaker 1: to anything? Would you go? Would you go would you
Speaker 1: go to Ethan Butler? Damn? Yeah, you think I've been Butler? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know about Eightan Butler.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, like I would be like, yo,
Speaker 2: you know the spotsicles that you might not want to
Speaker 2: go to Athan Butler at.
Speaker 8: Nobody's talking with Tessa Thompson Like at the end of
Speaker 8: the day, I don't think so I think nobody really
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think so.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just well, you did it already, so congratulations
Speaker 1: and now you're.
Speaker 8: Doing it again. Right You're in Philly as we speak,
Speaker 8: doing another greed.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 8: I was at Max's the week before last. Are you
Speaker 8: and Ryan back together too? Is he back in Creed.
Speaker 7: No, a new filmmaker named Stephen kemple Jr. Really dope
Speaker 7: dude made this film called The Land that was it
Speaker 7: Sundance face.
Speaker 2: No, I just don't like messing with any formula that's
Speaker 2: not broken. So I didn't know that Ryan wasn't doing
Speaker 2: Creed too.
Speaker 8: He's not. It'll still be great. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 8: Stephen kimple Jr. Is a great filmmaker.
Speaker 1: You don't have to Oh, I was saying enough people
Speaker 1: rocky in it? What is uh?
Speaker 6: Two actors I want to ask you that you work
Speaker 6: with that first of all, Jeffrey Wright and the Keith
Speaker 6: stans film.
Speaker 8: I just have to know, how is it acting opposite
Speaker 8: of those two men? Are you thirsty?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 8: When it hold up?
Speaker 6: I'm not thirsty on Jeffrey Right. Jeffrey Right is everything
Speaker 6: as far as an actor to me, he's.
Speaker 8: Your talent thirsty. No, I'm not, don't do it. I'm
Speaker 8: not hold up now.
Speaker 6: I'm the keep thirsty because he is one of the
Speaker 6: only black male actors that I know that you know
Speaker 6: prophesizes about the black woman.
Speaker 8: So in that sense, yes, I am in level of
Speaker 8: Keith Stansfield.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I got I guess I'm on the regular,
Speaker 6: so I'm not really chasing, but I'm curious as an actress,
Speaker 6: what's it like with Jeffrey Wright.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's so good, Like he's so good, and
Speaker 8: he's like, yeah, it's sort of like a not a masterclass,
Speaker 8: but he's yeah, he's just he's just really, really really good.
Speaker 8: That's all I can say. It's like a pleasure to.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been intimidated by a fellow actor that
Speaker 2: that has such a pedigree or such a level of
Speaker 2: acting or Yeah.
Speaker 8: Harris, he scared me scared. I was a little scared
Speaker 8: to work with him. Really, yeah, I was a little
Speaker 8: scared about and.
Speaker 1: Also in terms of I must deliver this perfectly or
Speaker 1: he just.
Speaker 7: Scared Like so, so I I went to the Sundeath
Speaker 7: Labs one year and I workshopped this film that I
Speaker 7: just came out. I tried Baca this film called Little Woods,
Speaker 7: and Ed Harris was the acting advisor, which would mean
Speaker 7: you'd be shooting these scenes and the acting advisor comes
Speaker 7: in to see how things are going and give and
Speaker 7: gives tips and he just doesn't mince words. So I
Speaker 7: was like playing the scene I had this idea that
Speaker 7: this character had, you know, really sort of stiff spine
Speaker 7: and anyways, I had this idea and he came in
Speaker 7: and I could just hear him at the monitor like
Speaker 7: stiff stiff, and he came over.
Speaker 8: To like give me a note.
Speaker 7: He's just like he just says what he feels and
Speaker 7: he's so impulsive and he's so gifted. And then the
Speaker 7: first day that I came to work with him on
Speaker 7: West World, he just said to me, I voted for
Speaker 7: you by the way he liked my work and created
Speaker 7: and that made me so proud, but also like just
Speaker 7: intimidated me because I was like, oh God, I have to.
Speaker 8: Like be good today. But he's he's so yeah, he's
Speaker 8: so good. I'm such such a fan. And la Keith,
Speaker 8: can you tell the people how close he is to
Speaker 8: this character in Atlanta in realize, because I know a
Speaker 8: lot of people really think that in Atlanta he's not acting.
Speaker 8: But as far as sorry to bother you, yeah, he
Speaker 8: is an actor.
Speaker 7: So he's an actor. He's so he's so gifted. I mean,
Speaker 7: I think he brings a lot of himself to Darius,
Speaker 7: and I think he ad lips and stuff.
Speaker 8: But you know who is nothing like his character that I.
Speaker 7: Think people assume is Brian who plays paper like he's
Speaker 7: like that's that's a whole different human, like he's a
Speaker 7: shape shifter and not that la Keith isn't.
Speaker 8: But but Brian really like it's night and day. This
Speaker 8: is us too. Yeah, because Brian did this is Us.
Speaker 8: I'm still in the first season when Grandpa's bye, I
Speaker 8: live for that. I was got by Grandpa. So he's
Speaker 8: one of Grandpa's old friends. You'll see it's really good.
Speaker 1: Yes, the.
Speaker 8: Season two and y'all are just late. We're in season three.
Speaker 8: If this is Us, no, I'm just like, it wouldn't
Speaker 8: have been a spoiler. We didn't live in a binge.
Speaker 1: Watch World's just okay.
Speaker 8: It was like a too you gotta get this is us.
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing to watch the show. It's too emotional
Speaker 1: for me. I watch it. We love it, and I
Speaker 1: know I think it started like the same time my
Speaker 1: father died. That's what I'm saying. Process.
Speaker 8: This is the thing.
Speaker 7: The show is Earnest, and I like that. You don't
Speaker 7: think it's Ernest's.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it's Earnest. Like Ernest tries and earnest
Speaker 2: means well, but ernest it may be a ground world
Speaker 2: double never home run, but I feel.
Speaker 8: That's your death. Yeah, I don't know about your death definition.
Speaker 1: Oh definition, Okay. I think earnest means.
Speaker 8: Well, but felt are they.
Speaker 1: I believe in this is us.
Speaker 8: I believe in this is us to me too. I
Speaker 8: believe it's like it's real. It makes it evokes.
Speaker 1: There are some earnest things that I roll at, like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, and it's.
Speaker 6: Real life conversation and some of these conversations were not
Speaker 6: having but we should like the fact that the white
Speaker 6: daddy went and got.
Speaker 8: The training to raise the black boy and oh my god,
Speaker 8: it was Yes, they're just borre.
Speaker 6: I think they're too progressive. They're progressive at times it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: some people aren't ready for this.
Speaker 7: It hardens me though that because it's a very successful show,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, that's cool that America is into that
Speaker 7: right now?
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah legit. Yeah yeah, because
Speaker 8: sometimes I can be I don't watch a lot of
Speaker 8: like television, like network television, but I watched.
Speaker 2: That and I was like, all right, I was shocked
Speaker 2: because when I happen to be at the upfronts. Upfronts
Speaker 2: is basically, in the shortest way possible, it's sort of
Speaker 2: a convention for advertisers and they come to see which
Speaker 2: shows they're going to invest in. So all these networks
Speaker 2: put together these little workshops, like NBC will rent out
Speaker 2: Radio City Hall for maybe two days, and the President
Speaker 2: will come in and Jay Loo will come in with
Speaker 2: the Thursday night lineup, and Jimmy Fallon will come in
Speaker 2: and do some comedy and you're basically watching night day
Speaker 2: after day. Monday night, our lineup will be no No, no,
Speaker 2: no No, The Voice and no no, no No. And
Speaker 2: as an advertiser, you're like, Okay, I want my product
Speaker 2: on the Voice and this particular show, and I think
Speaker 2: I like this, and they introduce what the news shows
Speaker 2: are going to be.
Speaker 7: I swear I actually, until this moment, did not know
Speaker 7: what the upfronts were. Like I have participated, but I
Speaker 7: didn't realize it was for advertisers.
Speaker 8: Hell yeah, thanks for that.
Speaker 2: Anytime you watch TV and you see commercials or product
Speaker 2: product placement, yes, upfront, so they get in early so
Speaker 2: like and sometimes it backfires.
Speaker 1: So think of like when Michael J. Fox was returning
Speaker 1: to COY with the Michael J. Fox Show. Advertisers were excited,
Speaker 1: so they all lined up like Okay, this this looks
Speaker 1: like it's going to be a ratings winner, and then
Speaker 1: they put all their money into The Michael J. Fox
Speaker 1: Show and then it busted after a year.
Speaker 2: So that's sort of who infamously, I think Kevin Hart
Speaker 2: show got dropped at he found out that his comedy
Speaker 2: on ABC, that his show got dropped right before you're
Speaker 2: supposed to go and stand. Yeah, so that's the downfall
Speaker 2: upfront anyway. So at the upfront I saw this is
Speaker 2: us and was sort of like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is going to work for m And then so
Speaker 2: can I ask how did knowing Boots Rally Wolly, This
Speaker 2: is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Okay, knowing Boots Riley the way that I do, I'm.
Speaker 2: Extremely shocked at the amount of instant support that he had.
Speaker 2: I knew that he had a friend in Patton Oswald
Speaker 2: and that he had a friend in David Cross. And
Speaker 2: David told me how he almost this project almost passed
Speaker 2: him by, Like I think like his assistant saw the
Speaker 2: script read.
Speaker 1: A little bit and was like, Yo, you really need
Speaker 1: to read this.
Speaker 2: David was going to pass on it like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: got your script, I'm busy, and then the system was
Speaker 2: like you gotta do this shit? How were you all convinced?
Speaker 2: And I never knew that he had this, this, this
Speaker 2: level of talent in him.
Speaker 8: I think this this.
Speaker 7: Script was so singular and he had been trying by
Speaker 7: hook up at Kirk to get it made any which way,
Speaker 7: Like he made.
Speaker 8: A record by the same title, sorry to bother You
Speaker 8: to entice people to make the movie. He's just like
Speaker 8: he had such he was had such a clear vision
Speaker 8: and he also has such.
Speaker 1: Yeah it took hooks like her.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's like he really does you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, Like he's just like he's he's he's gutsy
Speaker 7: because he comes from a place of just like belief and.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's that that's sort of intoxicating to be around.
Speaker 2: And the truth is cynical Hollywood though you just say,
Speaker 2: like rapper for twenty years really didn't make it to
Speaker 2: the mainstream level?
Speaker 1: Was he have to offer me?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 7: But I think, don't you think we're in a time
Speaker 7: right now where like everybody's looking for the outlier to
Speaker 7: like bandwagon with because so.
Speaker 1: How did it come? How did it come across your radar?
Speaker 7: Well, funny, funny enough, he wrote me a letter two
Speaker 7: years ago and offered it to me, and then essentially
Speaker 7: resended that offer by then asking me to audition for it,
Speaker 7: because in the space of two years he felt like
Speaker 7: I like popped off too much to then be in
Speaker 7: his like ind movie, yeah, and so he asked me
Speaker 7: to audition. So I auditioned, and I wasn't in the
Speaker 7: same city as him or Lakeith. So we got on
Speaker 7: a skype call and then he felt like it was
Speaker 7: really instantaneous and he couldn't say no to me.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that happens to any direct Like
Speaker 2: it's what do you mean? That's luck I mean on
Speaker 2: his end, but uh, what, how do you feel? I
Speaker 2: feel as though this will be descript is.
Speaker 7: Literally unlike anything I had ever seen or dreamt of.
Speaker 7: And then I also think in terms of like I
Speaker 7: really love films like you know, Being John Malkovich or
Speaker 7: Eternal Sunshine in the Spotless Mind, or like Michelle Gondry's
Speaker 7: films like I like, you know, weird shit, and I
Speaker 7: just felt like that was always a genre that wasn't
Speaker 7: gonna be available to me because like I don't see
Speaker 7: any black folks in those movies.
Speaker 2: I saw the trailer for Sorry to Bother You, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I've been waiting for a black film
Speaker 2: like this for like.
Speaker 1: Twenty five years.
Speaker 8: Yeah, legit.
Speaker 7: So that's how that's how I felt like that when
Speaker 7: I got that scripted answer to call that, like, I
Speaker 7: just had literally been like cool, I'll never get to
Speaker 7: make a film like that unless I make it, and
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know that I will, And so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: that's how.
Speaker 1: I thank you Jesus. That is awesome. Well, I know
Speaker 1: we have a gazillion more questions for you, but we
Speaker 1: have to love it.
Speaker 8: I really like being here, Gus. Can I also tell
Speaker 8: you that I love the magic whatever influence. I don't
Speaker 8: know if it is, but the power of you and
Speaker 8: Janelle together has opened up her or her and away
Speaker 8: to her fans to watch the evolution. That is just
Speaker 8: a gift.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm really like, I'm so happy for her and
Speaker 7: so proud, like I like, outside of you know, I
Speaker 7: just really love the record.
Speaker 8: Like I listen to the record.
Speaker 7: It's weird sometimes when it's like if someone that you're
Speaker 7: close to and your friend, You're like, I'm geeking out
Speaker 7: on your stuff, but I legitimately just like really love
Speaker 7: the record.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I used to him all the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I so I feel that way about it.
Speaker 7: So I'm just like so proud because I just think
Speaker 7: it's like such a beautiful record and so dope. And
Speaker 7: then also just in terms of her evolution, you know,
Speaker 7: she's in a space where she really like is allowing
Speaker 7: her work to be more personal and that's like just
Speaker 7: setting herself free. But in doing that, you said a
Speaker 7: lot of other people free.
Speaker 8: So it's cool.
Speaker 1: That's what's up. Well, thank you. Ms Thompson.
Speaker 2: All right, well, ra and behalf of Boss Bill and
Speaker 2: paid Bill Front Ticcolo Sugar Steve, It's Aliyah.
Speaker 1: It's a Leah wow, ls Man, I'm paying for this.
Speaker 1: It's layah uh.
Speaker 2: Antessa Thompson, thank god, there's no ours or else in
Speaker 2: your name. This is Quest Love signing off for her
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