WEBVTT - QLS Classics: Tessa Thompson 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:00.760 Of course. 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.760 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.080 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.240 Yo Yo Yo, What up? 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.840 This is fon Tigelow with this week's QLs classic. This 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.720 week we go back to June twenty seven, twenty eighteen, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.919 with our guests Tessa Thompson, best known for her work 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.160 and Sorry to Bother You, and Creed Tessa Hillcourt about 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.960 falling into acting social activism, Tato salad, Philly cheese steaks, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:29.640 and goat love. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.879 I don't know what goat love is. That sounds very Caucasian. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:34.360 I'm gonna have to check it out and find out 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.520 what that is. But anyway, this is QLs episode number ninety. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.159 Enjoy y'all basic. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:54.880 On sit better Delivery. I'm no ex let's do it. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.880 Suprema s s Suprema. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:04.280 Role called Suprema su su Suprema roll call, Suprema suck 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.039 Supremo roll call, Suprema s. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.880 Supremo roll Some Thompson needs raincoats. Yeah Heenan Thompson's got chokes. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.240 Yeah a mere Thompson's a show boat. Yeah Ta Thompson's 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:17.480 a go. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:26.360 Suprema suck suck Suprema roll called Suprema s Suprema roll. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.160 My name is sugar. Yeah. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.480 I was high on weed. Yeah when I recorded the seed. Yeah, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:33.880 and when I saw cream. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:41.800 Supremo, Supremo role came Suprema supremo role. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:49.240 You're white people, Yeah, please use seasoning. Yeah, sincerely yours, Yeah, boss. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:58.160 Suprema sun Suprema roll came Suprema so soun Suprema roll call. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.440 Now y'all know I'm excited. Yeah, Tessa Thompson, Oh, my 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:05.880 sisters invited. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:14.079 Suprema roll call, supremapt Premia roll call. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:29.160 What you do, Suprema Suprema Really ste. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:39.960 Supremai asshole, Suprema ruined. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.680 I was trying to help is ruined. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.079 Dear white Steve, go ahead, dear white Steve, gonna have 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:44.720 the microphone. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:50.000 Please thank you. I'm reclaiming my time. My intro. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.280 We can't punch in, We can't, no, no, you can't 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.360 punch and you can punch him in the face. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.880 You like three more, dear white people, and then we 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:05.560 either who. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.079 Made the roll up that we can't have a do 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.839 over you. Then it kind of loses the spontaneity. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.400 Yeah, you want to hear it though, I mean I 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:14.440 was curious. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.400 To see how fast you because the thing is, whoever 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.400 my my determination on how good the interview is going 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:21.639 to go. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.120 No, no, it's based on. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.880 How fast you are on your feet with the roll call, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.000 like Leon Silver is not answering questions. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.600 It was like, this's gonna be a hard interview. Actually 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.400 it wasn't. But you know, I'm just. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.960 Saying, man, yeah, but now you can't. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.240 We can't do do over now that you even applied 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.200 more pressure onto what it was going to be. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.680 It was going to be this spontaneous. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:58.280 Supreme live in the moment, I'm here to say, yeah, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.200 I mean I'm gonna. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.600 Go no, not see Steve never ever interrupt. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.320 Against what that was on accident of what happens to. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.880 Well, you hesitated and I thought you were frozen, so 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.719 I tried to give you the first line he. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:23.880 Was trying to man splain, was like line no, definitely, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.960 but never in the history of our listeners are confused, Okay, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.480 because Steve done through us all anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:35.200 welcome to Quest Love, Supreme and Alternative Reality. This is 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.200 Quest Love and with Teams Supreme, Boss Bill. It's like Ea, Sugar, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.960 Steve shout out to Fontigelow and his countertop and unpaid 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.320 bill somewhere on Sesame Street. But we're We're strong today. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.040 Our guest today is the star of stage and the 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.160 small and big screen. Her credits include Creed from the 0:04:55.480 --> 0:05:00.679 Rocky franchise Do You Write People? Uh, Selma, right, people, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.760 I'm sorry that again? No do over, There's no do over, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:11.279 No Selma, Annihilation, Thor for Colored Girls, and this summer 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:16.960 she stars as Detroit and be critically acclaimed already, so 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.280 so much claim about this film. It's not even coming 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.080 out to July, and we critically claimed Boots Riley the 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:27.280 directorial debut, and the science surrealist comedy Sorry to Bother You. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:28.000 Uh. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.480 She's also been present behind the camera as well as 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.800 part of the Times Up movement, uh slowly helping to 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.800 redirect the course for women and people of color to 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.120 green her pastors and speaking of witch, speaking of pastors, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.920 rumor has it that she's also a goat m Uh. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:50.000 We would like to welcome the world's finest goat enthusiasts. Yes, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:57.640 Tessa Thompson. I gotta ask, how did that whole testa 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:58.880 the goat thing come up? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:00.280 Yeah? 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.920 That's a Twitter handle I expressed that I liked goats, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.600 I guess on some public platform, wish he was here now, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:12.600 And somebody started taking photographs of me and putting them 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.280 next to photographs of goats that look that are dressed 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.880 like I'm dressed, or posed like I'm posed, and it's 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.000 pretty impressive. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.799 It's kind of scary, though, goat because that the yellow 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.560 dress one. I mean, it's sometimes they made the outfit 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.000 and then put the goat in that yellow dress and 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.279 had it in the same facial express right. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.840 And then there's some people, some conspiracy theorists or some 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.960 people that don't believe in just good things that think 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.280 that I'm behind this account, and I just want to 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.040 say that I'm not. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.880 I have nothing to do with I know you're not. Okay, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:50.480 that's the one thing in stalking you. Yeah. I went 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.679 through every every comment, everything, and I was like, Okay, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:54.560 this is not her. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:54.960 It's not me. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.040 I understand. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:57.880 I wish it was. I wish I was that you 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.920 drink goat's milk and eat goatmeal. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:00.440 I don't. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.119 I'm not into goat products. I'm just into goats. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.119 I got it. I see. I really wish that, Sorry, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:12.120 Zarah was here, right you're on the account. It's great, right, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.040 it's god. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:13.320 Yeah. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:13.680 Yeah. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.920 Like that's the point where I was like, wait a minute. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.920 And and then some people were tweeting like at Desil 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.720 Thompson is such a good sport, Like there's this idea 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.560 that I also look like a goat, and I'm embracing 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:28.280 the fact. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.480 But and now I'm cool with that too, Like my 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.120 eyes are whites set apart, Like it's fine, that's funny. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.760 Okay, let's start the interview. Stop. I just wanted to 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.640 know about the account. Yeah, welcome to this show. I 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.720 guess today you're. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.880 Doing like a bunch of press junkets and things because 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.640 you're immaculately dressed. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.680 Yeah, And all the years I've known you, I was like, wow, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:50.440 I've never seen. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.200 This is you. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.120 When you're on television dressed. I never know. I mean 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.360 you know that, Like, I've never seen you look like 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:59.520 you look on TV. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.800 So that's what I say. She looks press junk ist 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:02.520 chic today. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.360 Yes, some people help me, who's your stylist? 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.000 These guys named Mike and Wayman, they're dope. They're friends, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.240 they like were competitors sort of. And then they were like, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:15.119 let's just work together? 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.320 How does one How does a starlet find the perfect style? 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:18.920 I always want? 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:20.760 I mean that's what you want? 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:22.040 Uh? 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.600 They they actually kind of stalked me. They asked if 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.120 I was wasn't working with anyone? See this is what 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.480 you're talking about. I didn't have my my proverbial ship together. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:33.800 No. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.360 I was just like I would just show up, like 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.920 I'll just wear this and then not for my life. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.720 But they dressed me for when I appear in public spaces. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.640 They I meant for the meg. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.120 Yeah, they dressed me for the Megal and Tom Brown 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.040 they made that dress for me. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.679 How does okay? I was going to say, how does 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.440 that work? Like does a designer? I think to you first, 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.160 like what what is the what is the uh kind 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.120 of the protocol for? Because that guy is such a 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:08.880 cool kids family club that the. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.640 Rest of the world kind of watches like through the window, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.199 like what's going? But how does one do? 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.640 They are like tears of coolness even there, like you're 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:19.600 at least from. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:27.600 Okay because even I've reposted the picture. I think Lena 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.600 Waite posted the picture of your whole crew, and it's 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.360 funny because I reposted the picture it was you. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.000 It was you know, it was Lena, it was about 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.760 to say black Panther and his sister. It was Chad, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.599 it was the T shirt. It was it was a 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.199 beautiful crowd of people and I was put under the picture. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.599 I was like, you know, this is the photo that 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.080 the press won't send out, but this is the one 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:46.599 that you wanted to be. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.000 I know, well, I think it might have been. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.120 I mean, this is my first year, but it seems 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.520 like it's probably the blackest met that there has ever been. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.560 And how that picture happened is there were a couple 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.880 of us just already in the hallway and we were like, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.120 someone started taking a picture of zone, like we want 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.719 this picture. So everyone black after dinner meet in the 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:10.560 hallway and then it got just like loud and fun. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.679 And then Frances McDorman came and then she realized everyone 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.240 was black, so she was like maybe I should leave. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.240 And then and then White was like, no, you're an 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.360 ally like get insists you're cool. But it was yet 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.880 it was a young black and gifted experience. It was 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.920 really it was cool. It was cool because you're right 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.079 in the sense of like from the rest of the 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.680 world's perception, there's this thing of like it's the cool kids. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.199 It feels like it's also just like who's in the 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.960 zeitgeist at that moment and who's in the cultural conversation, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.480 And so it felt good to look around at that 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.760 hallway and be like, folks that are in the conversation 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.680 and like moving and shaking, are all these really red 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.000 black people people of color? 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.320 Like, based on what I saw on Instagram, you guys, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.679 even though y'all would sort of be the perceived outcast, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.240 i e. Not the Kardashians, Yeah, not Rhiann and not 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.920 j Low and you know, like the typical Blake Lively 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:09.160 or whatever, but y'all seem way cooler and based on 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.960 you know, the comments like that seemed like the coolest 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.240 met Gallip Ball someone someone put up like the first 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.160 year compared to oh, last year, and it was just 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:21.880 like there was no comparison then. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:22.439 It was like that. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.240 But anyway, Yeah, it's I guess it's a good time, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.000 all right. So where were you born Los Angeles? Okay, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.120 what part Hollywood? 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.120 Well, Glendale technically was where I lived when I was little, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.280 and then Hollywood and then moved to the West Side 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:37.640 to get to a. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:38.480 Better school district. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.600 Glendale with the world famous roller skating rink. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.520 that's the uh. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.320 Every Hollywood roll bounce. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:55.000 Like any time that you've seen roller skating in a 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.520 video or in Hollywood, it happens at that place. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.800 About to savans uh disorderlease roll bouts. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:03.840 Seriously there. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.640 Simpson as the roller skating teacher. I don't know, but yes, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:10.720 true story. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.480 I crashed Snoop Dogg's birthday party there one Oh wow. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.760 Really was not an invited guest. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.240 Did you know that it was happening. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.480 Yeah, I heard it was happening, and I was in 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.240 another bar with my friend Shelby, and I was like, 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.199 let's go, We're just gonna get in there. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.199 You seem like the type of person that knows that 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.040 if you do something with confidence, it just happened. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.040 I also had this is the thing. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.240 I was like seventeen or yeah, seventeen or I was 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.880 not twenty one yet, and I had a fake ID 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.560 and I was out in Hollywood because I. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.120 Was the death Row years, Dangerous Snoop years exactly, my 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:45.160 uncle Snoop Years. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:45.800 Okay, listen. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.520 So I was walking with two girlfriends from mine and 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.199 Snoop Dogg was going in the back door of a 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.079 Hollywood club and he had like twenty six people with 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.800 him and he was like yo yo and told us 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.839 to come, and I was like it's Snoop, like we 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.719 gotta go, and we didn't go because you were like 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:01.360 do we go? 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:02.000 Do we not go? 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.679 So I was like, it's happening now, I'm going to 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.240 go to your party. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.440 I want Tom How I. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.920 Didn't really meet him. I just like rolled around. It 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.600 was really fund was scared of me. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.400 Because like death row Ara, Snoop is way. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.400 Differ No, but he's now No. I didn't go then. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.280 First I went to his birthday party and I think 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.280 that was like he was snoop lyon then, so we're fine, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:26.360 oh yeah Snoop line is. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.320 Yeah, wow, yes, that's. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:30.960 Kindler, gentler Snoop. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.880 Yeah, kind of wait how long has he been Snoop lying? 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:35.800 That was like not anymore? 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.679 He maybe wind like what two thousand and seven, No, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:45.960 it's like twenty twelve. I think, oh, Grandpap Snoop Now Yeah, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.719 So in Glendale, Well, I okay, I'm gonna try and 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.480 act like I don't know your history already, but for 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:54.559 our listeners. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:55.880 Yeah, because I don't know, Shi tell me I don't 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:56.240 know anything. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.520 Yeah, well I was still mind blowing that your father's genius. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.160 How's he doing, by the way. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:02.679 He's really good. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.520 Okay, Yeah, he's really good. He moved to New York 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.199 when I was My folks weren't together. He moved to 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.719 New York when I was like seven or eight, and 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.800 so I would come here all the time. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:13.400 I came here. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:14.280 Yeah, I was by coastal. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.880 So he came here for a while because he just 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.000 signed a record deal and he was like supposed to 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.360 hear from music, and then he just fell in love 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:20.920 with the city and eventually fell in love and had 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.120 my little brother, my little sister. So I grew up 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.400 between here and Brooklyn, and my folks were on four 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:26.680 Green for like fifteen years. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.040 Your father being Mark Anthony to Chocolate Genius. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.000 Yea, And I will say, tell me something about his music, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.400 like how would people remember chocolate genius. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:40.440 To be uh, he was part of a black renaissance, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.400 like in the early arts. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:45.880 Yeah, and I think made work like he has one 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.640 record called black music. And I mean he's sort of 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.440 a musician that's hard to categorize. And I think so often, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.640 particularly for like black musicians, they want to box you 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.040 into this space like you're an R and B artist 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.880 and that maybe isn't you. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.200 So he kind of a mirror kind of talk about that. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.400 She he likened him to like an early Martin Luther, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.480 Cody Chessn. That's somebody who is kind of like out 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:07.840 the box. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.200 In the early arts, there was Saul Williams, Martin Luther, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.120 Chocolate Genius. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:16.320 At some point. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.480 I mean, even I guess Rasign was sort of he 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.520 was still making stuff in the late nineties early ught, 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.280 so he was in that circle. I mean it wasn't 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:35.680 official circle, but sort of like the the alternative alternative black, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.400 Like there was leftist center black, yeah, of Neils, and 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.240 then there was even the leftist center to that. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.200 So what is that like being growing up being the 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.120 door of a left left left left left artist? 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.840 Did you you guys ever listen to Lightspeed Champion, who's 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:55.440 the before Blood Orange. Yeah, My dad like sort of 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.960 occupied that space before other people were occupying that space 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.520 in terms of not just like sonically the sound, but 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.360 also Chocolate Genius was this creation. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.640 So yeah, dad was a pioneer in ways. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.600 Yeah, kind of I think I don't know, I think 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.600 that he would say something different probably, but I don't know, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.320 it was cool because it meant like being in New 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.920 York I was, you know, like especially Fort Green at 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.320 that time. I mean, it's still cool, but it just 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:28.040 felt so rich. It was before sort of like before gentrification. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.800 So you know, we would be outside on our stupid 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.600 like mos stuff would walk by our like Rosie Perez 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.160 or you know, Spike Lee or it just and I 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.320 would go, you know, with my dad to the public 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.960 theater and like see plays and it just you know, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.600 I was like sixteen at the time, so it just 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.960 felt like, well, I want to be a part of 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.520 this world of people making things and such. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.360 A difference in the culture from Glendale to Fort Green. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:57.800 Yeah right, yeah, wildly so. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:03.640 So at the time when you you're witnessing this, were 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.200 you yourself thinking about a career in music or anywhere 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.040 in the arts, Like what was your talent as a kid. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:11.640 Or a teenager. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.840 I always acted in school, but I didn't think about 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.480 it as a career. I always thought that I would 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.840 I don't know that I would like be a teacher 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.880 or be a lawyer, go into politics. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:23.679 I don't know. I felt like I. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.440 Wanted to make a contribution in some way, and maybe 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.800 because of my proximity to being around artists. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:37.120 I just felt like, I don't know, is this possible 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.680 for me? Is this something that I could do or 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.119 will do? 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.880 So what was the moment that you had the inspiration like, Okay, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.440 this is what I want to do. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.280 I think it was just like at a time where 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.280 I realized it was such a compulsion that it was 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.440 like such a thorn in my side that it wasn't gonna. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:54.639 Let me go. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.600 And at that point, like I didn't go to college, 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.080 Like I dropped out, you know what I mean, Like 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.080 there was nothing else I was qualified to do. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.000 I was like, where you go to college? 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:04.920 Well, I went to community college and then I was 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.120 supposed to transfer to Berkeley, and I like just decided 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.480 not to and took a semester off and started taking classes, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:11.800 and I just I don't know. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.480 I was performing so much. I was doing theater in 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.640 la It just was all I really cared about. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.000 It was the only thing I cared about that the 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.480 idea of like being bad at it felt crippling to me. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.960 Everything else I could sort of dabble in and not 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.600 be that good at and move on. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:28.840 Wow, that's crazy. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.320 Like, because as productive and as busy as you are 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.480 right now, I would have thought like this took meticulous planning, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:43.119 and you had vision boards and you did when you 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.080 repeat mantras, and you know, I would post it notes 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.600 one hundred million records more than thriller like, but you 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.040 just like you know, it was a throw on my side. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.879 I decided to well, yeah, maybe I'm underselling it. No 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.159 I don't. I didn't. I didn't have I didn't have 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:01.879 vision boards. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.240 But I think the other thing too, just just like truthfully, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.200 I felt like there's just more interesting work to do 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.560 now if you look like me when I first started, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.760 that wasn't necessarily the case. So I think I not 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.080 that I had ambivalence towards it, but there was a 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.000 part of me that was like is this sustainable, like 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.240 if I can I make a living at this? And 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.879 also is this going to be able to captivate me 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:32.439 and like hold my interest? And so yeah, I think 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:33.520 there has been an evolution. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.439 I was going to say that. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.720 Maybe around the time when Thor came along. Then I realized, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.000 because I'm not go to front like I'm a marvel head. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.240 I mean, I've seen a couple of Marvel films. But 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.040 in my head, I don't know the history of I 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:54.879 can't pronounce it me. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:57.000 Valkyri. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.480 Yes, I don't know the history of her. But I 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:06.679 would imagine that, maybe initially that that role was written Witten, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.560 what's for on my ars? My man, I'll just be 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:15.440 a rabbit. That role was written for. It was written for, 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.040 I would imagine for a white character. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.800 And it was written it was written for a white lady. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.560 They wasn't happy about this black lady. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:35.000 Whoa call anyway? No, but the fact that all of 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:39.800