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Speaker 1: the batting order conversation and the spring breakout are all

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Speaker 2: What is Up?

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Speaker 1: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. I am super excited to be back in

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Speaker 1: New York City. Even though the weather was beautiful in Florida,

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Speaker 1: it's been great here in New York in the twenty

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Speaker 1: But we've got a lot of things to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Like we said in the intro, Edwin dz spring breakout,

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Speaker 1: the JD rumors for both of them, what's the batting

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Speaker 1: order going to? Look like? Everything is starting to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the season, a little bit

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Speaker 1: more exciting, a little more pressure here. So excited to

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Speaker 1: into the season. James, how are you holding it down

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Speaker 2: It's been great. I mean, daylight savings got rid of

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Speaker 2: the seasonal depression. Was how's Floria the dude?

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Speaker 1: I had a great time. It was great to be

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Speaker 2: And the bullpen coach, which is his name Rosado? Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: Who's that?

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Speaker 2: It's probably everything that I just said, where it's like

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Speaker 2: I just think that's why Solaria, Matt Chadman did get

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Speaker 1: On opening Day? All right, let me, I'm just gonna

434
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Speaker 1: go like position by position here. I don't think it's

435
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Speaker 1: anybody in the infield because we spoke earlier and he

436
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Speaker 1: said it's not Alvazerbati because they didn't start the year up.

437
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Speaker 2: You gotta be the Tim Lecastro. No, no, no, he

438
00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,520
Speaker 2: was not pretty arm. He's in the league for like

439
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Speaker 2: seven years.

440
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Speaker 1: I know, but I just figured like he's played like

441
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Speaker 1: what like sixty games total in those seven years. Like,

442
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Speaker 1: maybe that's the weird one. Okay. So on the pitching side, also.

443
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Speaker 2: Had the phantom injury afore opening day. Remember, Oh that's true,

444
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 2: that was the fake jury.

445
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Speaker 1: Keep him around? Oh god, yeah, that's that's the one

446
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,920
Speaker 1: that got him. Him and Daniel vogelback.

447
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,240
Speaker 2: Wow, who would it be? Well, I don't know when

448
00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,760
Speaker 2: I think makes a lot of sense. One it's like

449
00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,880
Speaker 2: you're never gonna get it, Okay Tyler McGill, No, I

450
00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,800
Speaker 2: think there was his injury last year and he didn't

451
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,040
Speaker 2: make the ross. He wasn't really opening day or Stavid

452
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,399
Speaker 2: Peterson was David Peterson. He's the obvious one. The other

453
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Speaker 2: one's bizarre. You'll never get with Stephen de Gosik.

454
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't like that guy's pitching. So that's

455
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Speaker 1: why blank him out of my head. Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: So in terms of even the guys you had in

457
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,879
Speaker 2: your roster pre arm opening day last year, one of

458
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,000
Speaker 2: them got shelled and the other one got sheld and

459
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,480
Speaker 2: got cut. So it's like you weren't really getting you

460
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,240
Speaker 2: weren't getting any production out of players that you weren't

461
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Speaker 2: really paying any money, which is like a shitty way

462
00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,960
Speaker 2: to talk about this, but it's kind of just the

463
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,919
Speaker 2: way modern baseball works now. If you look at the

464
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Speaker 2: good teams you like, even like right now, the Dodgers,

465
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Speaker 2: the only team who are going to have less pre

466
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Speaker 2: arbitration players. They're opening their roster in the Mets, but

467
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,679
Speaker 2: they just spent a billion dollars and they just do

468
00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 2: not care. And they have pre ARB guys that have

469
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960
Speaker 2: graduated who still don't make tons of money on that roster,

470
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Speaker 2: who are going to contribute. A guy like Gavin Lux

471
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Speaker 2: who most fans would laugh app he's probably gonna be

472
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Speaker 2: like fifteen, fifteen, two sixty and play defensive multiple places

473
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Speaker 2: on a team that was going to go to the

474
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Speaker 2: World Series next months. He still makes money, but it's

475
00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,919
Speaker 2: not crazy. Will Smith is an ARB guy, but he's

476
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Speaker 2: like one of the best catchers league. He makes not

477
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Speaker 2: much money relatively, Like they're still have that. But you

478
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,200
Speaker 2: look at teams like the Astros, the Yankees, the motherfucking Braves,

479
00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,159
Speaker 2: even the Phillies now with what they're doing around the

480
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 2: infield in that ballpen, like the matter of production that

481
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Speaker 2: you get from guys who really don't make any money

482
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Speaker 2: that you've brought up to your system. That will gives

483
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,000
Speaker 2: you so much more flexibility to other stuff, and that's

484
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 2: just haven't been able to do that. So the only

485
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Speaker 2: way to have a sustainably good team without spending tons

486
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Speaker 2: of money is to get a pipeline and start doing that.

487
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Speaker 1: It's what you have to start doing it. You have

488
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Speaker 1: to sustainability. And I mean the farm system is looking good,

489
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,480
Speaker 1: like we're we're super excited with what we've seen down there,

490
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Speaker 1: and eventually those guys will come up and start making

491
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Speaker 1: some you know, production at this major league roster. But yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: I mean you think about the core of this team,

493
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Speaker 1: that this core was around in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

494
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Speaker 1: and it's now twenty twenty four. So like nobody's cheap anymore.

495
00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,760
Speaker 1: Literally every single person gets paid on this roster now.

496
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Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil's big money. Pe Alonzo has a big money

497
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Speaker 2: one year dealer. He's got any big money next year.

498
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 2: Brandon was a big money player, And like if you

499
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Speaker 2: do sign a JJ Martinez or a JD. Davis, that

500
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 2: does flex both Brett Bailey or at least get Marciandro's

501
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,800
Speaker 2: some possibly Brett Bailey have a roll where I think

502
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Speaker 2: most Mets fans have probably soured them both to them

503
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Speaker 2: by this point. But you at least even if you

504
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,399
Speaker 2: get one of those guys to become a two or

505
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 2: three win player like that, it gives you one of

506
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,199
Speaker 2: these guys to put in the roster for the next

507
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 2: couple of years and be able to bank on that,

508
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 2: and now you have more money to spend elsewhere. It's

509
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 2: just there's just too much money given out to players

510
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 2: who run spectacular on this roster to really be able

511
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 2: to do this year over year consistently. Even next year,

512
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 2: all the money coming off the books, it's gonna be

513
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: like nine players on the roster. One I'm still going

514
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 2: to be starling Marte Like, if you want to compete again,

515
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Speaker 2: if you want to sign p Alonzo, Corbyn Burns and

516
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 2: want so that, you have to go back into the

517
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Speaker 2: third attacks threshold all of a sudden again. And that's

518
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Speaker 2: without getting more starting pitchers or more outfielders because you're

519
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 2: not going to have that many. It's just you need

520
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Speaker 2: to build this thing from the bottom. And I think

521
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Speaker 2: this JJ Martinez JD. Davis thing would be like we

522
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Speaker 2: got so close, did you getting into the season with

523
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Speaker 2: really focusing on building it from the bottom and just

524
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Speaker 2: you lose it the last second. I don't really think

525
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Speaker 2: David Stearns will This is not his vibe. I could

526
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Speaker 2: see something like this happening in like June, if the

527
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Speaker 2: Mets were twenty five and twenty they're like, okay, let's

528
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Speaker 2: start playing ball, like we have, we have our playoff

529
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Speaker 2: projections now got over fifty percent, Like let's try and

530
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Speaker 2: lock this in. But right now in March, when we

531
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Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna happen, I don't even know saying it, like,

532
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 2: let's just just chill on these guys.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. I definitely lean I think

534
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Speaker 1: j D would be a good guy to bring in.

535
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Speaker 1: But also at the same time, again, how much of

536
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Speaker 1: a difference does it really make for this team? And

537
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Speaker 1: you make a good point, we gotta find out what

538
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 1: Brett Bady and Mark Vando's have at some point like

539
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Speaker 1: this this this is the year. Throw them into the fire,

540
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: and if they don't perform, that's when you move on.

541
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Speaker 1: You find somebody else who can. So sucks as we

542
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Speaker 1: like Brett Bady over here, and we like Vino's as well,

543
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 1: but it's at some point these guys gotta wake up

544
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: a little bit like this is just lack of a

545
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Speaker 1: better term, gotta wake up, play better baseball.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, and then good time now to take

547
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Speaker 2: this conversation. Move it for the guys we are talking

548
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Speaker 2: about on the team into batting order stuff. We said

549
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Speaker 2: we want to talk about it on Sunday, but we

550
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: kind of had a lot to talk about, so we

551
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Speaker 2: didn't want that to be like an hour twenty minute episode.

552
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Speaker 2: Maybe we should have because it was hot there, but

553
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Speaker 2: I think like cooler headset prevailed. And the two games

554
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Speaker 2: the Mets have played now because we're recording this Wednesday

555
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Speaker 2: afternoon guys, so we're gonna miss the Wednesday night game.

556
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Speaker 2: But it's like half and half star. There's relievers, but

557
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: we're started as bench guys. We're gonna miss Fuji, we're

558
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: gonna miss every you know stuff. But we'll talk about

559
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Speaker 2: that next week or maybe the stream on Friday. But

560
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Speaker 2: the two games I've been played, because Lamps are the out,

561
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: Marte hit fifth both times and the top at Nimo

562
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Speaker 2: Lindor Alonzo Alvarez in some way were the top four

563
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Speaker 2: in the order. So I think that is what we wanted,

564
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Speaker 2: That's what we hoped for. This line It did happen

565
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Speaker 2: the other day though, the edwind Das debut. It scored

566
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Speaker 2: zero runs, which is kind of hilarious. But I still think,

567
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Speaker 2: and I always will think, like this is the best

568
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Speaker 2: way to set the Mets line up at the top. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Question do you do you care if the team's not

570
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Speaker 1: scoring runs in spring training? Does that worry you at all?

571
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Speaker 1: That was a conversation I had at the stadium with

572
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Speaker 1: some people and they were like, well, this team's not scoring.

573
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Like it's spring training? Like who fucking cares?

574
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Speaker 2: Definitely not all, because if you if you're scared of

575
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Speaker 2: the team's not scoring, then you shouldn't be scared about

576
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Speaker 2: the Mets starting pitchers right because they have the best

577
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Speaker 2: pitching r in the league. Like, you can't. Can't have

578
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: it both ways, you can't. Honestly, here's the thing that

579
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Speaker 2: spring training is funny. And I was listening to this

580
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Speaker 2: power went out to s and Y was missing the

581
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Speaker 2: first couple of things of the broadcast on uh to

582
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Speaker 2: Monday night, Tuesday night whenever. That was so, I was

583
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Speaker 2: listening to Keith Rabat McCarthy on the radio and they

584
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Speaker 2: were kind of saying, like with spring training. You can't

585
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Speaker 2: have it both ways negative. You can have it both

586
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Speaker 2: ways positive, which is something that we like to stroke

587
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: on this podcast, where like good thing like nice, you're

588
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: doing good, bad thing the spring training you're working on stuff.

589
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: You can't say the good doesn't count, the bad does count.

590
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Speaker 2: You cannot say that. That's just you being a pessimists

591
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: and you gotta you gotta shake the cob webs lose

592
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, I won't say it's like

593
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Speaker 2: not super Warriosome because like, I'm not worried about Francisco

594
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Speaker 2: and Door. I'm not worried about brand Emo, not worried

595
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 2: about Pilanzo, not worthy the Bran Francisco alvs. But like

596
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Speaker 2: Starling Marte being two for eighteen is one of those two.

597
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Being a drag bunt just kind of a little worrisome

598
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Speaker 2: given what he's been doing in the last few years.

599
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Speaker 2: Baby can't lift the ball, but he's hit a bunch

600
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Speaker 2: of balls over one hundred five miles directs of velocity.

601
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Speaker 2: Same with Fianto, So like that's like, that's not really

602
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: worry It's like, oh, these are the guys that thought

603
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Speaker 2: they worry, And like Jeff Neil isn't playing. So in

604
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Speaker 2: terms of the starters, I'm like, I don't know, it's hard.

605
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: It's hard to get tremendously worried about being like we

606
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Speaker 2: have the best pitching in the league.

607
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it come back to the lineup now,

608
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Speaker 1: Like you talked about Marte being two for eighteen. It's

609
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Speaker 1: funny how like a week or I guess when this

610
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Speaker 1: first conversation happened. People like Martell's gotta lead off. This

611
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Speaker 1: guy steals bases, he does this, he does that. It's

612
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: like the way that we need to build a lineup,

613
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Speaker 1: especially for this Mets roster that like, offensively it's heavy.

614
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Speaker 1: I think I think that's safe to say you have

615
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Speaker 1: to put your first three guys to get the most

616
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Speaker 1: at bats. And I know you've got some stats on

617
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Speaker 1: where guys are hitting, and I know people are like, oh,

618
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: Lindor in the two hole he is a lower batting average.

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Speaker 1: It's like scratch, I don't fucking care, Like it's it's nonsense.

620
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Speaker 1: And if you look at his career numbers, a lot

621
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Speaker 1: of his at bats in the two hole game earlier

622
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Speaker 1: in his career when he was a worst player. So

623
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Speaker 1: like there's an entire season where he just wasn't the

624
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Speaker 1: greatest as like a twenty year old playing for the

625
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Guardians hitting two, where like I just I can't get

626
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Speaker 1: worried about the batting average stuff when we know that

627
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: these guys are just good hitters.

628
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Speaker 2: What you just said about Lindor specifically, I don't think

629
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Speaker 2: it's true because I think the thing that's killing Lindor's

630
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: two hole batting average is the first year with the

631
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 2: Mets where he hit two for the entire year that

632
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Speaker 2: one too. He hit two twenty when he came up

633
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Speaker 2: from the Guardians. From the get go, he was he

634
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: was a baller like that had that he said the

635
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Speaker 2: games were good.

636
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Speaker 1: No, he had one. He had then it was the

637
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Speaker 1: next year after that. Maybe then the next year after

638
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Speaker 1: that they hit when they hit him in the too hole,

639
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: he was really bad. I looked at it because I

640
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: wanted to yell at people on Twitter.

641
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: Because I don't really remember that. I can't fash Maybe

642
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: it was like a bad two months at the beginning

643
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Speaker 2: of the second year, because I think he's still was

644
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: just like hit the ground running over all for the

645
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: full season. He was like my first like Dynasty Baseball,

646
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Speaker 2: Darling him and Azzi Albi is like a year apart

647
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Speaker 2: where I was like, I'm figuring it out. I think

648
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: that the big thing I want to talk about right now.

649
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I did a lot of research, got some data I

650
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: wanted to expand on something we talked about the other night,

651
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: where it's was, it's significantly more important to batting order

652
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: who's hitting ahead of you and who hits behind you.

653
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Speaker 2: And like, I know that a lot of people are

654
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Speaker 2: going to ignore this, A lot of people are gonna

655
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: roll their eyes, like, Ah, this fucking nerd on the

656
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: Messed Up podcast and is going to try and tell

657
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 2: me these things. But it's just there's so much around,

658
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: like this idea of protecting protection the batting order that's

659
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: been like debunked by stats over the last decade or so,

660
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: where it's just it's an old baseball thing. It makes

661
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: a lot of sense in your brain who's sitting behind you,

662
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: but it just it doesn't really make sense on the

663
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: field and the numbers anymore. And if for all, like

664
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Speaker 2: real crazy nerd doork baseball people out there, look up

665
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Tom Tango pitching around batters. It was it was a

666
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: fangrass thing community post a hardball times like two thousand

667
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: and five or two thousand and six, where it just

668
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: took this idea of like guys hitting behind you and

669
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: guys hitting ahead of you, like who's who You're gonna

670
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: see the best pitches. And I want to go back

671
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: to the Petrello Mike Petroll article I talked about also

672
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: on Monday, where I misspoke a little bit. The article

673
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: is actually specifically about Otani. I misspoke a lot of

674
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Speaker 2: things on Sunday. I was like kind of sick recording.

675
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: It was just like it was a warrior podcasting the

676
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: hardest job in the world. But it last year across

677
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: all Major League Baseball, when the bases were empty, Hithers

678
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: hitst has seven to twenty ops with men on, it

679
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: was seven fifty three ops. That's not like Stark difference,

680
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: but the whole league, it's a pretty big difference. Thirty

681
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: points of ops seven twenty versus fifty three. It's basically

682
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: like a tear under league average to like a little

683
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: bit above league average. So that's something right there. And

684
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: in this article that was specifically about Autani, he was

685
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that he's going to be better

686
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 2: because he has like protection, but the protection is going

687
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: to be Mookie Bets and Freddy Freeman rather than like

688
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: Will Smith and Taoscar Hernandez. Last year, Otani had a

689
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: better WHOBO with Taylor Ward hitting behind him than Mike Trout,

690
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: and he saw more strikes with Taylor Ward hitting behind

691
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: him compared to Mike Trout, which is probably a thing

692
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: of pictures were like, I want to go after this guy.

693
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to walk some him before Mike Trout

694
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: comes up, or it's just like he's active a hitter,

695
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. So in terms of the numbers

696
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: last year twenty twenty three, pictures were less likely to

697
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Speaker 2: challenge Otani with Mike Trout behind him, so that idea

698
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: of protection kind of goes away. The biggest different Fortani

699
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: specifically last year was with guys on base versus the

700
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Speaker 2: bases empty. The base is empty again eighty eighty eight

701
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: ops with a one forty six ops plus. With men

702
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: on base it was a one thousand, sixty seven ops

703
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: and a one seventy nine ops plus. It's a lot different.

704
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: It's just because and I think a lot of factors

705
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: kind of like bleed into this. One. Is like, if

706
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: you're a pitcher and you're allowing guys to get on base. Theoretically,

707
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: you're probably worse than someone who just mowing everybody down

708
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: in order, so facing worse pittchers is gonna have high

709
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: ops plus. And also last year specifically just about all

710
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: the new rules holding runners on letting guys stealing, it

711
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: was like, it's just so much more chaos in your

712
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: mind to the guy on base. I think, I think

713
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: that was a real fear. And then I want to

714
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: bring it back to the Mets now because it's an article.

715
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: Bake Petrow actually did talk about pilans a little bit

716
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Speaker 2: of it, because no Mets fans Mike's New York guy

717
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: clamber for this protection for Pete. Pilonzo last year had

718
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: a better wOBA with Dania Vogelack hitting behind him and

719
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Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil.

720
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Speaker 1: Oh, don't tell people that I'm missing.

721
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: But he also got more strikes with Jeff McNeil behind him,

722
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: which is weird. He had a better wOBA with the

723
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: guy who was getting when he was being pitched around

724
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: more offense, which also says the little thing about whoever

725
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: hitting behind Pete kind of what makes him a little

726
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: more comfortable. Also, it's hard to take everything with Pete

727
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: last year because of the injury. But there's a lot

728
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: more stats about Pets from last year, from his whole career,

729
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: about him with runners on base and him with the

730
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: bases empty. That just should hammer home the fact that

731
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: we need to put as much talent in front of

732
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: pet as possible, but we can't move him down the

733
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: order to do it. Last year, Pee Alonso had a

734
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: seven thirty the ops with the base empty and one

735
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: hundred WRC plus he was a league average player, a

736
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: league average player with nobody on base, which is terrifying.

737
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: With men on base, that was nine to ten and

738
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: one forty two with runners on So he goes he

739
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: basically goes from like who's like He basically goes from

740
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: like Alec Bohm to Bryce Harper, whether this men on

741
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: base or nobody on base. To give an analogy Mets

742
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: fans could understand there, Yeah, just like also just to

743
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: take a shot to the Phillies because Alec Bohm is

744
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: always criminally overrated. Maybe maybe breaks out this year, who

745
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: the hell knows. But the worst part by far about

746
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: all this p Alonzo stuff, I just told you guys,

747
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: how he's significantly better men on base and the base

748
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 2: is empty. But last year he hit fourth through most

749
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: of the year, which I've said in this podcast before

750
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: kind of jokingly, that's the second leadoff spot in the order.

751
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Last year, Pee Alonso had three hundred and twenty nine

752
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: played appearances with men on bass and three hundred and

753
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: twenty nine play appearances with the bases empty, which is

754
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: not okay. And maybe okay, the Mets lineup wasn't that

755
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: good last year. We had some offense struggles this and that.

756
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: But you know what, Pie Alonzo last season led off

757
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: innings one hundred and fifty six times. That was the

758
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: second most inning at bass to leadoff and inning on

759
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: the entire team, only behind the actual leadoff hitter Brandon Nimo.

760
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: And there were four guys the mes last year they

761
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: had ly six hundred thirty played appearances. Alonso, Nemo, Lindora McNeil,

762
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: and Alonzo had the second most played the appearances of

763
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: leading off innings. That's not okay, And you might think, okay,

764
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: maybe that's just because the Mets, the guys had injuries,

765
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: guys moved around the other of this and that pie

766
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: Alonzo had the forty seventh most at bass leadoff ninning

767
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: in the whole league. Last year, there's thirty leadoff hitters

768
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: in baseball, and he was forty seven. He was in

769
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: the second tier of guys leading off innings. You know why.

770
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: That's because he hit fourth. When you hit third, you're

771
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: not leading off innings. It's not going to happen. I

772
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest thing for this Mets lineup. He

773
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: cannot hit fourth anymore. We don't have enough good hitters

774
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: ahead of him, and you have to do everything you

775
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: can for him to have as many at bass as

776
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: possible with guys on base.

777
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you we were always about that that

778
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: the one, two three should include Pete, a, Lonzo, Lindor

779
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: and Nimo to begin with. But now hearing that that

780
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: leading off sat, you're sweating me a little bit more

781
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: on that that fourth fot is the second leadof you're

782
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: sweating me a little bit more of.

783
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: Their sat nerd Let that be McNeil. Let McNeil hit

784
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: behind Pete, let Marte hip or Yeah, I guess let

785
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: McNeil go back there and then Alvarez because even because

786
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: then the conversations like Alvas hit fourth, he's peace protection.

787
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: But I think there's a fear that the same thing

788
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: could happen for sus Gualvarez. I don't want for believers

789
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: having any atpats with men on base, and also just

790
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: one hole still for Squaver as his game, it's probably

791
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: going to be on base percentage. You guys just heard

792
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: how often Plenzo let off innings last year because he

793
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: was in the four hole. I don't want for Squaver's

794
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: leading the off endings either, Like there's a good chance

795
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: doesn't happen that often. You made that great point on

796
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: Monday about most pictures whips are not gonna be blow one,

797
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: so you're always probably like you're not going to get

798
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: one guy on per inning. But still the point still holds, like,

799
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: don't ever put yourself in the possibility this could happen.

800
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Alvert Letalavarus hit fifth, Let him get more accustomed to this.

801
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: Put McNeil at four. It's gonna be hilarious that Pete McNeill,

802
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil, he's gonna have creates funny comments about it

803
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: and press conferences like I'm the cleanup hitter now. But

804
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: you have to sit him down, like it doesn't make

805
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: you a cleanup hitter. Get the cleanup any thing out

806
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: of your head. You're still lead off, get on base,

807
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: just get on base, player game, Let's just don't don't

808
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: let these guys get on base, get up and no

809
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: one on base.

810
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: And I will say this, and maybe this will make

811
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: met fans feel a little bit better too, Like in

812
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: a world where Jeff McNeil gets up in the first thinning,

813
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: right and he's no longer the second leadoff, Let's just

814
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: pretend now he's actually hitting fourth. With Rogers and scorn position,

815
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: McNeil puts the ball in play. That's kind of something

816
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: you want when you have guys on base, you want

817
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: that ball and play. So I don't even hate the

818
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: idea that McNeil hitting fourth again, not the not the

819
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Buck show Walter cleanup hitter, not our big bruiser first baseman,

820
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: even though we know that's a stupid idea. But I

821
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: don't hate the idea of like having a high contact

822
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: guy hit fourth behind Pete for the reasons you just said.

823
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: And if you're not gonna like, oh no, the worst

824
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: case scenario is the guy who gets two hundred hits

825
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: a year has a chance to get hit, get a

826
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: hit with a guy on base now, rather than hitting

827
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: in the two hole or whatever it's gonna be. And

828
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I think this is like a bigger conversation that just

829
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: baseball I think probably needs to have in general. That

830
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about enough. Because you you like the Dodgers. Obviously,

831
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: that lineup is obvious. A lot of teams lineups are

832
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: very very obvious as who's gonna hit where. But it's

833
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: interesting to see, like that's very much a raise approach

834
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: that you take hitting a McNeil forth. You wouldn't see

835
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: that from a lot of the other teams in baseball.

836
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: And I mean, like even looking at like a guy

837
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: like Matt Olson, who I just wanted to pull up

838
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: his numbers even with no men on base. Last year

839
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: eight ninety six ops. Great with men on base, he

840
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: had an eleven h five OPS. He hit three thirty

841
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: one with men on base last year two forty two

842
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: without men on base. It's the classic, like I can

843
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of pitch around him, like if this is the

844
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: guy who gets on base slow on the bass pass,

845
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: pitch around him.

846
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: That's not the worst thing. Ever, It's a similar thing

847
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: less year. Also, what the Astros were doing when they

848
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: were at their best towards the end of the year.

849
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Once a Tuove came back and Jose Bray you was

850
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: like back towards like the bottom of the other like

851
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: five and six after they tried him at the top,

852
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: but they went out Tuve who A lot people talk

853
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: about Nimo where it's like he's too good at a power

854
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: hitre now the hit it's the leadoff. But it's like,

855
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: how many years al Twove gonna hit twenty five thirty

856
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: home runs? Lead off, leadoff hitter?

857
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, George Springer, how about Mookie Bets hitting lead off?

858
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: How about like all these guys that hit leadoff? Who

859
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: gives a fuck if they hit too many home runs?

860
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't get that. I don't get that argument. It

861
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: feels like like the least amount of thinking because you're

862
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: like home run, if he hits fourth, they're surely gonna

863
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: be men on bass.

864
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: It's like not necessarily totally. But then after that, when

865
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: you had their batting or their game and they're playing

866
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: at their best and went Bregman, who I think is

867
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: probably their best all around player, kind of compares similar

868
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: to Lindor if they're lining up where he's like, Hi,

869
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm bass. The ops never gonna get crazy. But it's

870
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: like high on bass hits, the home runs when they come.

871
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: But Kyle Tucker too. Don't forget Kyle Tucker.

872
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: This is where I'm going with this. And Alva is

873
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: three because he is the best hitting in the lineup,

874
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: he's the biggest rub producer, he's the most powerful. But

875
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: then Tucker was the four. Where I think if most

876
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: baseball fans look at Kyle Tucker, he's not your prototypical

877
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: four hitter at all, like by no stretch of the imagination.

878
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: Like he's a good he's a good all around player.

879
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: He's kind of compares actually more favorably in Nemo. He's

880
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: like if Brandon Nemo was like Supercharged and from like

881
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: Texas or Florida, like at Wyoming. He's like if Brandon

882
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: was playing competitive baseball when he was seven years old

883
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: instead of seventeen years old. But that's like that people

884
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: would be like, that's not conventional lead off hitter because

885
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: he's more of like a three seventy on base percentage

886
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: guy with like twenty five thirty homer power, steals bags,

887
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: high batting average batsball guy. But that I think is

888
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: because I don't know. The Astros is kind of movie

889
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: for the way from male likes. I just use the

890
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: anecdotally because I want to just like keep changing the

891
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: image of Leo four hitters, cleanup hitters and baseball fans minds.

892
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: But it's just that we have to think about it

893
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: differently and everything it just said, like you, especially in

894
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: context of where this lineup is and how few guys

895
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: this team really have elite power, the two of them

896
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: being truthfully, Pie Alonzo Francisco Alvarez. We should be doing

897
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: everything in our power as an organization to not allow

898
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: them to ever get up with no mena on base

899
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: ever ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever, If.

900
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: You hit Pete third, it's probably gonna never happen. There's

901
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: probably never gonna lead off a nitting like man who

902
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: who hit Who's like a guy who hits third for

903
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: the entire year. I'd love to see how many times

904
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: they let off an inning.

905
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: H Do some look cups right now? I mean, do

906
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: du Alvarez er, I mean Alvias hit fourth for a

907
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: part of the year. Actually Alvas never on. Alvarez hit

908
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: fourth zero games last year for the Okay, so look

909
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: up how many times he got one game? One game?

910
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: With three games I had three games for Alvin's leading.

911
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Off, Let's see how many times he let off an inning,

912
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: because if it's if it's that low, like, here's something here,

913
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: James Giano.

914
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: The fact that Pelonzo led off an inning of the

915
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: forty seventh most of most times in baseball last year

916
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: is a huge issue. And the fact that he had

917
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: as many at bats with men on base compared to

918
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: no men on base, that's inexcusable. It can't happen. It

919
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: shouldn't happen. That we should do everything we can to

920
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: now if that ever happened again, just because the bomb

921
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: and the order isn't going to be great this year,

922
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the Bombo now to close that,

923
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: which is it probably isn't like there's if McNeil, Alvarez

924
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: and Marte of all of them start hitting, and then

925
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 2: you get something from either Bailey or Viento's and then

926
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Harrison Bayther is not the worst hitter in baseball. It's passable,

927
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Like you can make things happen down there and you

928
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: can have some fun. You could have the running gun

929
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: bomb of the Order. Jeff nioc Steel ten Bassis the

930
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: only Moore take a steal forty bases, However, is could

931
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: at thirty home runs like these are we're saying the bomb.

932
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: This is like the guy's four through nine, like Bayley

933
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 2: and Viento's, if they combined for thirty six home runs,

934
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: I'll be happy as hell, happy as a clam. But

935
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: it's just it's probably not gonna be that good. So

936
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: we have to do everything we can for the topest

937
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: order to create as many runs as possible. And that

938
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: starts with Nemo, Lindor Alonso.

939
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And you're you're hard to find a better one,

940
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: two three in the league. Like there are better I'm

941
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: not saying they're the best, but like that puts you

942
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: in the upper third of the top of the order,

943
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: and you put pressure on these pitchers to start the game,

944
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: like you can't come into this game, and like there's

945
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: an easy out in this top three of this lineup.

946
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: There's not. Nimo makes you work at bats, Lindor is

947
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: obviously a beast, Peter A. Lonzo is the best power

948
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: hitter in baseball. It's just I think sometimes we get

949
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: obsessed with trying to make players like fit the fit

950
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: an idea, Like you said with brand Nimmel, like he's

951
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: developing power. Now, the on base percentage drop he has

952
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: on base persentage is still three sixty, which I think,

953
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: if I looked the other day on Fangrafts, is like

954
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: the third or fourth highest among leadoff hitters in baseball

955
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: last year, So like, yeah, it's not four hundred, but

956
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: it's still elite. Like I don't I don't know if

957
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: people really understand what they're saying.

958
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes It's also we talked about the other day, if

959
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: there was another very obvious leadoff option this team, I

960
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: would be all for a brand new moving on the

961
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: other I would again, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

962
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: I love Brandon on the forehole. Like if Drew Gilbert

963
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: right now was ready to be like a three fifty

964
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: on base guy to Major League vel or je Williams

965
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, make a leadoff Let's put brand

966
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: Nemo four, brand new War four could have like a

967
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: like a two seventy three eighty, like five thirty season

968
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: with like thirty homers and ninety RBIs, Like that is possible,

969
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: but there's just he's two valuable right now in leadoff.

970
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to have a bad leadoff hitter,

971
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: so I can have a good four hitther like I

972
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: don't want to.

973
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: You can't.

974
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: You can't steal from Peter to pay Paul, Like, you

975
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: can't do that, You just can't do it. You have

976
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: byle off of your notice despite your face, how many

977
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: little sayings were gonna do here?

978
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: This this is pretty good.

979
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: This stuff got stuff to buck showalt have actually been

980
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: able to understand. But that that digress, Yeah, digress, I.

981
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: Mean yeah, at the end of the day, top of

982
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: the order is good. We need the bottom of the

983
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: order step up. And at some point those guys are

984
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: gonna have to do it. I don't know when it's

985
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. I don't know what it's gonna take, but

986
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: throw them into the fire. Figure it out. Like the

987
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: bottom of the order.

988
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this.

989
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: And this might sound crazy, but like I couldn't care less,

990
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: like how they order seven eight nine, Like who gives

991
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: a shit? I don't care at all. Do you feel

992
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: that same way? No?

993
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: I mean just pubtat nine, he's just he's just he's

994
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: stock me. Yeah, But Alvarez last year or a Nolvrez

995
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: a callback from before he led off innings ninety five

996
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: times last year, and that was I get this number here.

997
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: Savant does not order these. I'm gonna have to do quick, quick,

998
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: shitty math. There are how many guys in this list?

999
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: He's like right in the middle. That was about It

1000
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: was about the two hundred and fifteenth most often in

1001
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: the whole league leading off. He played I think like

1002
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty something games. So that's the kind

1003
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: of thing where it's like, if you're hitting third, you're

1004
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: not ever gonna lead off innings, but if you're hitting fourth,

1005
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna leave off plenty of innings.

1006
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a good way to think

1007
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: about it. That's the Mets lineup talk there for you guys.

1008
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Last thing we're gonna mention it is gonna be the

1009
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: spring breakout. I think I'm like eighty percent sure we're

1010
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: gonna be streaming watching this game live. Eighty percent sure.

1011
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm watching a dog for a couple of weeks of

1012
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: a friend shout out Sammy, uh, and it's getting dropped

1013
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: off on Friday, So like it could be chaos having

1014
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: a stream go on with a dog that's in a

1015
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: new apartment that it's never been in before. But also

1016
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: maybe that's good content. Maybe that's what you guys want

1017
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: to see is me running around trying to figure out

1018
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: how to take care of a dog. But yeah, the

1019
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: spring breakout, I mean, the Mets roster looks pretty interesting.

1020
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: There's some good players on there. We talked about it

1021
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: briefly that none of the big name pitchers are going

1022
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: to be there, but as we know that probably because

1023
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: they just want them to be a little bit more

1024
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: focused on getting ready for the season rather than pitching.

1025
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: In this game, we still get to see Blade did well,

1026
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: still get to see those guys around the league. Someone

1027
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm particularly interested in, I'm really interested in Marco Vargas

1028
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Rodriguez. I got to see Vargas taking it

1029
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: bat in the eighth inning at Import Saint Lucie during

1030
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: the Edwin Diaz game, and I gots say, a little

1031
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: bit bigger than I thought in terms of like size

1032
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: and muscle, Like a little bit stronger than I thought

1033
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: he was gonna look. And his swing looks really nice,

1034
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: is really compact. He had a line drive up the middle.

1035
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: They were just playing him perfectly. So it went right

1036
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: to a guy. But someone I'm interested to get more

1037
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: at bats, and there's just not a lot of tape

1038
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: on Jeremy Rodriguez. So those are two guys specifically for

1039
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: me that I'm trying to watch.

1040
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: Rodrigue is amazing. There was a great blurb about Jeremy

1041
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: Rodriguez and the Fangrass Top hundred prospects because he has

1042
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: snuck into the back of the back end of some

1043
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: top hundred list and clothing. I believe Fangrabs and baseball

1044
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 2: perspectives who are usually kind of the sharpest of these lists,

1045
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: but they have a kind of a different grain system

1046
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: in Baseball America We've talked about in the show. It's

1047
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: the Eric Loganhangen who's amazing, one of the best in

1048
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: the business. He compared Jeremy Rodriguez in terms of because

1049
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: he's turning eighteen soon, so he'd be technically like a

1050
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: high school draft dollars will player this year. He compared

1051
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: his stock coming into the summer as someone like Jet

1052
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: Williams or Colt Emerson, someone who could be like a

1053
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: mid to back end first first round pick with upside

1054
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: and hitting upside the plate and billy to probably stick

1055
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: a short but possibly also move off depending on how

1056
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: to buy developed. And also share the fact that he

1057
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: had a nineteen percent chase rate last year in the

1058
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: DSL nineteen percent chase rate is Lunacy also had ninety

1059
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: three percent zone contact rate. The nineteen percent chase rate

1060
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: would be the ninety fifth percentile major League Baseball if

1061
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: it was a chase rate, same as Alex Bregman last year.

1062
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Second Pregnant mentioned on this episode of the Messed Up Podcast,

1063
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: So I think he's someone who's interesting. It's also just

1064
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: so fun because now we have this guy a roof

1065
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: for It'd be like, we got this guy for two

1066
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: months of Tommy Fam Mets fans, whatever happens, Jeremy Rodriguez.

1067
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: We could say this for the next three years. We

1068
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: got a top bunch of prospect for two months of

1069
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: time of FAM. Like, what's your organization doing? Like this

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00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: is the kind of things you can hold on when

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00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: your major league team isn't playing super well and you

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00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: could be like, this is what we're doing. We're better

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Speaker 2: than you. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: The Spring breakout games, Like, just in general, I think

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00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: you guy should watch them. Cool thing. I think they're

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00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: gonna be all available on MLBtv, no blackouts for these games,

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00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: so you'll be able to watch all the teams, and

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00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: they start on the fourteenth, run through the seventeenth, and

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the Mets play on the fifteenth, fifteenth, Friday after Friday,

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00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: three o'clock Friday three o'clock. So keep posted on the

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00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: Mets up Twitter and Instagram and all that kind of stuff.

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00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: As for the live stream details, again, I think it's

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00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but crazy if things have happened in this world.

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00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm not gonna say one hundred percent because

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00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at living up to my promise sometimes.

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00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: But that being said, lots of good stuff going on

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00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: in the Mets baseball world. We'll obviously keep talking with

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00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: you guys about it. Anything else here to talk about

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00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: James before we wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to like go like rapid fire a

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00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: couple more the spring breakout guys, because just some some

1092
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: fun guys. I think a lot of prospects and Mets

1093
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: fans might not know, like and sprote. He went right

1094
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: to the complex last year, didn't pitch professionally. He got

1095
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: like the full Christians God floor of the overhaul, dished

1096
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: the slot, dish the sinkers, throwing a fastball now with

1097
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: like great horizontal movement on it, eighteen to nineteen inches

1098
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: of ivy B For the pitching people out there, it's

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00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: just like that mean, he's coming up acting like that

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00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: and apparently one hundred miles an hour. Nolan Maclean's also

1101
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: throwing one hundred miles an hour another draft d last year.

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00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: Nothing I was wrong on Monday, haesus biased. I thought

1103
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: he was a big guy. He's just a strong guy.

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: He's a small guy. He's like a five nine, like

1105
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: one ninety kind. But he apparently apparently already rumors are

1106
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: of one hundred eight hundred nine mile prior max ex velocity.

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00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: And I think it was the el member of the

1108
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: DSL or in the complex. But his eighteen year old kid,

1109
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: that's pretty insane. And then Tyler Stewart, he's kind of

1110
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: the step behind the Hammel, the vast old the Christian

1111
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: Scott tier of pitchers. But last year between Brooklyn and

1112
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Binghamton two two ERA twenty five percent strike I RA

1113
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: seven percent walk Greate like he's someone who could be

1114
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: impressive and could be like he could be a good

1115
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: baromother where. It's like if he makes it to the

1116
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: major leagues and is effective now the Mets have pure

1117
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: pitching development magic where it's like he we just got

1118
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: we just got a major league pictuer come out of nowhere.

1119
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also a mountain of a human six nine,

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Speaker 1: two fifty and he comes from University of Southern Mississippi

1121
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty two MB draft. Southern miss low

1122
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: key a bit of a pitching factory. That's actually where

1123
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: Heurston Waldrip started off before he transferred to Florida. So

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00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: they've they've got a little bit of a track record

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00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: of having some pitching over the last couple of seasons,

1126
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and guys that are flying through systems. I truthfully have

1127
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: not watched I feel like any actual Tyler Stewart clips,

1128
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: but no numbers are good, so I'm excited to see

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00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: what he can do in this game as well.

1130
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of fun guys, think again, that's how

1131
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: fun roster. It's going the cool display against Nationals I think.

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00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: I think James What and Dylan Cruis are both playing

1133
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: in this game tour, which would be really fun to watch.

1134
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: Brady House I think as well. Some exciting high high

1135
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: draft picks from that Nationals team. But it's a fun event.

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Speaker 2: This is again, this is the best thing that Major

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00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: League Baseball has done for marketing since steroids. I'm really

1138
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Speaker 2: excited for it.

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Speaker 1: I think I like that you keep dropping that in there,

1140
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: the steroids line.

1141
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Why not fuck it.

1142
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: They knew it was happening, they were aware, they were complicit.

1143
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: But seeing Saint Baseball, that's all I'm gonna say. All Right, guys,

1144
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, Thank you so much

1145
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,240
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1150
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1151
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1152
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Sheano m me at draffneckmark with a C. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you guys on the next episode.

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Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out, See you guys next time.