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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1: I am well?
Speaker 2: You made both flights this weekend. That's important. I made
Speaker 2: both flights. Gil Alexander's got skills people don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he leaves here like with a flight forty five minutes
Speaker 2: later on Friday. It made it no problem.
Speaker 1: No problem, no problem, no problem. If five minutes is no.
Speaker 2: Problem, did you do like the sprint through? What are
Speaker 2: you guys waiting for up here? Let's go.
Speaker 1: I have actually timed some before where I literally they
Speaker 1: are closing the door and I am running in and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh okay, right behind.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know how you like that? Man?
Speaker 1: Like that is recommended? Really, I don't recommend it. We
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch to get to today. Week fourteen
Speaker 1: guessing lines in the National Football League. Again the interactive
Speaker 1: game where you should play along. Uh. This exercise really
Speaker 1: does reveal winners in a way that perhaps pontificating about
Speaker 1: them for the next five days do not. It has
Speaker 1: been a tried and true method of doing it. I
Speaker 1: don't know the lines, I guess them, Kelly tells me.
Speaker 1: For the upcoming week's matchup, we welcome you to do
Speaker 1: the same as far as this past week. What we
Speaker 1: do also in the process is we recap the game
Speaker 1: that have just gone by towards towards these lines that
Speaker 1: we're going to guess for the week ahead. We always
Speaker 1: start with Circus Survivor, though Kelly Circus Survivor. There were
Speaker 1: fifty four headed into third. Remember now we had the
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving quirk, thanks Thursday and Friday for total games that
Speaker 1: we referred to at CIRCA as thirteen A and then
Speaker 1: yesterday and tonight as thirteen B. Fifty four entries entered
Speaker 1: thirteen A and oh boy, both the Lions and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs escape. We had seventeen, all seventeen to have the
Speaker 1: Lions entry, had the lines available to them. All seventeen
Speaker 1: of those took the Lions. They escaped with the Bears.
Speaker 1: Everfluce gaff at the end of that game, the Everfluce
Speaker 1: slash Caleb Gaff, which we talked about on Friday. The
Speaker 1: twenty nine Chiefs ones, which we didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about because we weren't on air over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Who the snap that was too early for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that briefly here today. They just get by,
Speaker 1: and then yesterday, so everybody advanced. Basically, all fifty four
Speaker 1: entries got by. But think about that, there were forty
Speaker 1: six of them that just got by by the skin
Speaker 1: of their teeth.
Speaker 2: And then this is why save the Chiefs, though, Gil,
Speaker 2: because the luck is always going to go your way
Speaker 2: when you need it. Man, It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Then yesterday, only two of the remaining fifty four entries.
Speaker 1: Now we do have eleven on the Broncos tonight, so
Speaker 1: the thirteen b is not done yet, but only two
Speaker 1: entries end up getting eliminated both on the Bengals.
Speaker 2: And think about the.
Speaker 1: Escape jobs yesterday the Bucks who were dead to rights
Speaker 1: twice in that game against the Panthers, eleven entries were
Speaker 1: on the Bucks, two on the Vikings as they escaped
Speaker 1: a victory by the Cardinals. Cardinals were two scores late
Speaker 1: in this game. Vikings escaped the two that were on them.
Speaker 1: The Colts, Oh my god, two entries on them.
Speaker 2: Betcher Anthony Richardson fans now, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, they love Anthony Richardson and Shane Steiken decides
Speaker 1: to go for two at the end for the victory
Speaker 1: when fourth and goal was converted a great pass by Richardson.
Speaker 1: I'm sure people who had the two entries that were
Speaker 1: responsible for the humans that were responsible for the Colts,
Speaker 1: I'll clarify that momentarily, they were probably like, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: thank god, we scored the touch.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, we're going for two.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and it converts as ar goes up the
Speaker 1: middle Rams and Texans didn't have an easy time of
Speaker 1: it either, by the way, So what ends up happening
Speaker 1: bottom line is yeah.
Speaker 2: You got a scare if you're on the Texans, that's
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Two entries are out. No humans got eliminated. So now
Speaker 1: we have fifty two entries left. Thank you Tony Farmer,
Speaker 1: thank you survivor outlets for this. We have fifty two
Speaker 1: entries left. Fifty human beings are responsible for that, forty
Speaker 1: eight of which have one entry, and two people have
Speaker 1: two entries left.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Only two people with more than one entry, and both
Speaker 1: of those have two.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, so everybody. The two people that were
Speaker 2: on Bengals this week were multiple entry and they each
Speaker 2: just had one entry, right, so they in other words,
Speaker 2: they lost an additional entry one of their as I
Speaker 2: as I like to say, having multiple entries is always
Speaker 2: sort of it's overrated. It's over it.
Speaker 1: Because you only play one optimally in the end. But
Speaker 1: here we are and now only two people have more
Speaker 1: than one.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea if any of those had
Speaker 2: three and we're on the Bengals and now we're would
Speaker 2: two were remaining with two?
Speaker 1: There were no, no, No one had more than two
Speaker 1: heading into the out into this weekend. Gotcha, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: So well, if you're through, congratulations. So this is a
Speaker 2: significant milestone to get through Thanksgiving survivor.
Speaker 1: Well, so we're not done yet. Because the Broncos played
Speaker 1: a nine eleven around the Broncos against the Browns. The
Speaker 1: Broncos are six and a half point favorites in that game.
Speaker 1: The intrinsic value of the remaining fifty two at this
Speaker 1: very momentooop, two hundred and seventy four thousand dollars, two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four thousand, three hundred and forty six
Speaker 1: dollars and fifteen cents.
Speaker 2: That sounds useful. I got a lot of nieces and
Speaker 2: nephews these days. Okay, they're piling up.
Speaker 1: Gill.
Speaker 2: One other survivor note, Crack came in here and talked
Speaker 2: about how he bought in.
Speaker 1: I bought into somebody. Oh really, a little bit, little bits,
Speaker 1: little something. Oh really, Okay, we'll get into that as
Speaker 1: the week os. Let's begin with Week fourteen guessing lines
Speaker 1: of the National Football League, and it goes a little
Speaker 1: something like this, Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Then these games are getting taught, all right, Thursday night Football.
Speaker 2: We've got a good one gil Packers at Lions.
Speaker 1: Oh, that is a good game, Packers and Lions. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about the Lions game again again. They
Speaker 1: escape their game against the Bears on Thanksgiving and the
Speaker 1: Packers they get it done against the Dolphins on Thanksgiving night.
Speaker 1: So both teams on extra rest, no advantage restwise here
Speaker 1: this is I guess this might be the best game
Speaker 1: of the year on paper based game of the week
Speaker 1: on paper the nine and three Packers the eleven and
Speaker 1: one Lions. And isn't it amazing? By the way, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs clinched a playoff berth this past week, the Bills
Speaker 1: last night clinch the AFC East. We'll get at all
Speaker 1: of this. The Detroit Lions have clinched nada yet. The
Speaker 1: Vikings and the Eagles, the Vikings in division and the
Speaker 1: Eagles in terms of the number one seed. Just the
Speaker 1: game behind the eleven and one Lions. Uh, there's nothing
Speaker 1: to get into here because we went over it already.
Speaker 1: Lions by four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one right now, Lions three and a half.
Speaker 2: There are there's one juice three I see out there.
Speaker 2: I actually bet this last night. I did lay three
Speaker 2: with the Lions at minus one twenty.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's yeah, mainly three and a half's everyone. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: you got a three with extra juice there. That's shorter
Speaker 1: than I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a smidge. Like you said, I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna be I thought it was gonna be over
Speaker 2: that three. Not a huge bat for me. But with
Speaker 2: this Lions team, I only got a lay three minus
Speaker 2: one twenty. I'm good. I'm in should it should be
Speaker 2: a great game? Packers man, this Packers teams, they got
Speaker 2: a high ceiling, but that floor I think we're still
Speaker 2: trying to figure out where that's at. And this Lion's
Speaker 2: running game was just so so dumb.
Speaker 1: That's the most amazing. One of the most more amazing
Speaker 1: things about the NFL season that we don't talk about
Speaker 1: is as great as the Lions have been, these teams
Speaker 1: are breathing down their nets. Also still yep with the
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Vikings Indivision all right, I just saw
Speaker 1: this pop on the screen. So for one of the
Speaker 1: great games I'm sure of. This week we go to
Speaker 1: one of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Exciting early windows starter here. Jags at Titans.
Speaker 1: Jags are two and ten, Titans are three and nine.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, catch the fever from Nashville this coming weekend.
Speaker 1: Jaguars lose to the Texans in a game that won't
Speaker 1: be remembered for much except for one thing. It's six
Speaker 1: to nothing Texans. More than midway through the second quarter,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville second and seven at their own forty nine. Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence runs for seven yards. He slides and Aziz al
Speaker 1: Shair absolutely cheap shots him. Ejected from the game, a
Speaker 1: brawl ensues. Trevor Lawrence the locker room.
Speaker 2: Via the cart.
Speaker 1: He has a concussion out for the game, and quite frankly, Kelly,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any reason to see him
Speaker 1: anymore this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not. I think there's a couple quarterbacks we're
Speaker 2: gonna have that conversation about today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Game ends up six to six as Mac Jones comes
Speaker 1: to the game for the Jaguars, who remember, in my
Speaker 1: backup quarterback rankings which are sacred, he was not even
Speaker 1: their best backup.
Speaker 2: I gotta bring the Apparently, I gotta bring these over
Speaker 2: every day because Gill's loving his back backup a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's a useful guy, isn't it. No, it is I
Speaker 1: have CJ. Bethard grated higher than it was the third Dream.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Mac Jones comes in. Mac Jones played well.
Speaker 1: It was six to six, Houston goes five plays seventy yards.
Speaker 1: They finally wake up mixing in from seven thirteen to
Speaker 1: six Houston. Eight h four left in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: it would be sixteen to six Houston, and then Cam
Speaker 1: Little misses a fifty five yard field goal try for
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Houston five plays fifty five yard Stroud to
Speaker 1: Schultz from twenty two out, twenty three to six Houston
Speaker 1: with twelve eleven left in the game, and you're figuring,
Speaker 1: all right, well, Houston's just gonna roll. Not so fast,
Speaker 1: my friend. Jacksonville twelve plays seventy three yards Jones to
Speaker 1: Parker Washington for twenty two twenty three to twelve. Houston
Speaker 1: two point tri fails seven forty nine left in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Then after a Houston three and now Jacksonville
Speaker 1: ten lay eighty four yards all on Jones's arm to
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior from six out, two point conversion of Washington
Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty Houston with three thirty one left.
Speaker 1: Houston needs two first downs, but they get them. Ballgame
Speaker 1: Houston twenty three, Jacksonville twenty and then there's Tennessee. We
Speaker 1: just have to go over the first half here, because
Speaker 1: this one against Washington was Katie bar the door very early. Well, Washington,
Speaker 1: first time they touched the ball. After a Tennessee three
Speaker 1: and out three plays, Robinson in from forty that's Brian
Speaker 1: Robinson seven to nothing, Washington. Tennessee punts Washington eleven plays,
Speaker 1: eighty yards. Daniels in from three, fourteen to nothing. Washington,
Speaker 1: Tennessee second and sixth of their own nineteen Pollard strip
Speaker 1: by Mike sansterstill Sander Steell recovered by Santa Rastill. Washington
Speaker 1: set up at the Tennessee twenty four to three plays Daniels
Speaker 1: to the incomparable Terry McLaurin from sixteen twenty one to nothing. Washington,
Speaker 1: we're still in the first quarter. Ensuing kickoff, Jawan Jackson fumbles,
Speaker 1: Michael Walker recovers. Washington set up at the Tennessee thirty
Speaker 1: four Daniels to the incomparable one from four out twenty
Speaker 1: eight to nothing Washington. That's kind of all you have
Speaker 1: to know, because at that point it was sort of academic.
Speaker 1: They traded touchdowns late well, weird third quarter.
Speaker 2: Right, like another one of these where a team starts
Speaker 2: off so fast and then slows down. You're like, is
Speaker 2: this about to become a game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got to twenty eight to thirteen, from twenty
Speaker 1: eight to nothing, but then Washington nine plays seventy two
Speaker 1: yards Daniels to Ertz made it thirty five to thirteen.
Speaker 1: Early fourth Westbrook a Keene with a seventeen yard touchdown
Speaker 1: that made it thirty five to nineteen. Two point trifails up,
Speaker 1: but then Washington a seventy one yard drive Chris Rodriguez
Speaker 1: from twenty five to start the drive seven into the
Speaker 1: end zone forty two to nineteen. The DC Skins and
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels twenty five of thirty for two oh six,
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, one pick, sack, twice nine carries for thirty
Speaker 1: four yards and a touchdown as he puts to puts
Speaker 1: to rest a little of the rookie of the year talk,
Speaker 1: at least for one day. I'll say, Tennessee minus three
Speaker 1: and a half against Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Man, you're dead on. This opened up, this opened up higher,
Speaker 2: which I don't know. I don't know that I had
Speaker 2: much interest in this game either way. I'm just a
Speaker 2: little surprised that Jags are getting bet this early.
Speaker 1: What's the number three half?
Speaker 2: It's three and a half right now, But there were
Speaker 2: like fives out there yesterday, oh five.
Speaker 1: I'm wishing see this is by the way, doing guessing
Speaker 1: right half prevents me from making a couple bets, which
Speaker 1: sometimes is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not such a good day. This feels like
Speaker 2: it was not such a good thing.
Speaker 1: We'll come back looking for value Week fourteen and the
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Speaker 1: I alway appreciate the feedback from everybody. Shades of Mako.
Speaker 1: I hopped in my uber to the Vegas airport with
Speaker 1: one hour until boarding. I made it through security with
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes still to spare. The beauty of living
Speaker 1: near the airport and flying during pardon me, during off
Speaker 1: peak hours. I do think part of this is that
Speaker 1: it's Vegas. Yes, that airport is so convenient.
Speaker 2: It is in the off peak hours, right, I mean
Speaker 2: you were going at ten am? Well, this was things.
Speaker 1: It was Thanksgiving and then we had to get through
Speaker 1: the outlet traffic.
Speaker 2: It was I usually don't question Gill's ability to make
Speaker 2: a flight because he always does some tight like that,
Speaker 2: but Friday was like day after thanks Giving.
Speaker 1: Are you sure, man, it's a little rough, Matt Trudell.
Speaker 1: Let's go. It's a numbers game on Visa and time
Speaker 1: for guessing lines with Gilly Kelly. Can't wait for the
Speaker 1: recap of the Bucks game. Had them in several teasers
Speaker 1: and all over the money line. The sweat was real.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Mike Zang. I forgot to mention our boy,
Speaker 1: Paul Carr three and oho over the weekend, Paul car
Speaker 1: Paul Carr in the chains with a little sweep. Nicely
Speaker 1: done by PAULI. All right, let's get back into it.
Speaker 1: Guessing lines. Week fourteen.
Speaker 2: Jets at Dolphin's Someday early windows, speaking of quarterbacks to
Speaker 2: talk about happy birthday, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: You forty one year old?
Speaker 2: You is his birthday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, forty one, forty one December second Jets eighty yards
Speaker 1: second time they had the ball Rogers to Davante from
Speaker 1: eight out after Rogers to Davante from twenty four earlier
Speaker 1: prevented the three and out extra point block six to
Speaker 1: nothing Jets and suing kickoff. D Williams of the Seahawks
Speaker 1: fumbles against the Seahawks yesterday. Brandon Eckles recovers the Jets
Speaker 1: set up at the Seattle twenty seven. Four plays Rogers
Speaker 1: to Isaiah Davis Breeson from two on the two point
Speaker 1: conversion fourteen to nothing Jets, still in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Then Leviscus Channel fumbles the kickoff return, but he recovers
Speaker 1: it and Gino and the Seahawks go ten plays eighty
Speaker 1: eight yards Gino to aj Barner from twelve out fourteen
Speaker 1: to seven, and suing kickoff Kene nawang Wu ninety nine
Speaker 1: yards to the hiszy twenty one seven Jets, and then
Speaker 1: Chanoff fumbles the ensuing kickoff again, this time just Josh
Speaker 1: Rose of the Jets recovers it, so up twenty one
Speaker 1: to seven.
Speaker 2: The Jets are.
Speaker 1: Set up at the Seattle thirty eight and after overthrowing
Speaker 1: a wide open Garrett Wilson in the end zone on
Speaker 1: second in goal, just brutal third and seven at the
Speaker 1: Seattle nine Rogers, picked by Leonard Williams, who popped out
Speaker 1: on the play, drop back into coverage ninety one yards
Speaker 1: to Payterirn. Have you ever seen a big man run faster?
Speaker 2: I was very impressive. Oh how god do we see
Speaker 2: those guys just kind of fizzle out by like midfield
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: It was like, Na, he's going and he's not stopping.
Speaker 1: Nobody's catching him. Twenty one to thirteen, extra point blocked
Speaker 1: by the way, and.
Speaker 2: Rodgers, did you catch that? What Rogers said to him
Speaker 2: apparently afterward, what do you like? Welcome for the early
Speaker 2: Christmas present or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, we got some Rogers Rogers quotes coming up twenty
Speaker 1: one thirteen. That's the key point of this game, because
Speaker 1: you're up twenty one to seven with a chance to
Speaker 1: go up three touchdowns, and instead you have what amounts
Speaker 1: to a thirteen point turnaround on the pick six Jets
Speaker 1: fourth and two at the Seattle forty eight now up
Speaker 1: twenty one to thirteen, Rogers Davante Adam lays out for
Speaker 1: it incomplete. Rogers missed him on that play. We be
Speaker 1: twenty one to sixteen. Then in the third quarter, Seattle
Speaker 1: to DK for twenty eight and thirty. On the drive
Speaker 1: they get to first and goal, the one Walker stuffed incomplete,
Speaker 1: incomplete sack, and you're thinking, Okay, maybe the Jets are
Speaker 1: actually gonna do this with that goal line stand. But no,
Speaker 1: Jets first and fifteen at their own thirty nine breasts
Speaker 1: hit by Julian Love fumbles, tyres Knight recovers Seattle, then
Speaker 1: with a fourth and six at the Jets forty four
Speaker 1: Geno two Jackson Smith and Jigba for twenty four leads
Speaker 1: to Myers field goals twenty one to nineteen early fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: and then the next time Seattle has the ball, they
Speaker 1: start at their own twenty nine with eleven thirty four
Speaker 1: to go on the strength of two different Jets fourth
Speaker 1: and one penalties on defense, Eventually Charbada informa twenty six
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six to twenty one Seattle with five
Speaker 1: thirty one left, but Rogers and the Jets get it
Speaker 1: to first and ten at the Seattle twenty nine down five,
Speaker 1: but fourth and fifteen at the thirty four Rogers complete
Speaker 1: deep just not even close a two fifty nine to
Speaker 1: two fifty eight total yards advantage.
Speaker 2: This was the opposite of a barn burner.
Speaker 1: Rogers completed only two of fourteen two of fourteen on
Speaker 1: passes of ten plus air yards that according to next
Speaker 1: Gen Stats two of fourteen. Here's a quote from my
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers explaining his struggles. Quote, well, uh, there are
Speaker 1: eleven guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault. Definitely
Speaker 1: multiple times today, and then the details aren't there in
Speaker 1: some other spots too, unquote. Way to throw your teammates
Speaker 1: under the bus, you bastard.
Speaker 2: Be a leader, Be a leader. You're bad. Be a leader, man,
Speaker 2: geez one of the Yeah, just throw your team.
Speaker 1: Well, you know it's me sometimes with those other guys.
Speaker 1: Gotta suck too. Just come on, man, I would I
Speaker 1: would say you're better than that, but you're not here
Speaker 1: about about the mispasses in the end zone. Quote the
Speaker 1: wind was a little inconsistent unquote.
Speaker 2: I didn't catch up.
Speaker 1: The wind was a little inconsistent.
Speaker 2: Like that was like the Kevin Durant free throws with
Speaker 2: the new Clippers building. I was like, did I really
Speaker 2: just say that? Like are we really being affected by
Speaker 2: the crowd or wind, you know, inconsistent wind conditions. What
Speaker 2: are we talking about?
Speaker 1: First time in his career Rogers lost the game up fourteen,
Speaker 1: and the fourth has has had the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands with a chance for a game winning drive five
Speaker 1: times this year, zero to five. Who are they at Miami?
Speaker 1: You said Miami? Of course you lost on Thursday night
Speaker 1: at Green Bay. I'll say Miami minus six, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll see Aaron Rodgers anymore?
Speaker 2: All right, six and a half? Most places I see
Speaker 2: one offshore just went to seven. I rarely do this,
Speaker 2: Gill where if I to put a bet in without
Speaker 2: really knowing where this is gonna move. I usually bet
Speaker 2: these numbers on openers if I think I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: the best of it by the end. Right, I did
Speaker 2: it with the Dolphins yesterday. I laid the six and
Speaker 2: a half. I'm not really sure where this is gonna move.
Speaker 2: All week looks like early indication I was right, But
Speaker 2: I'm I'm betting on what you just said is that
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is done and there are I mean, what
Speaker 2: does this Jets team got left to play for? They
Speaker 2: haven't been playing great recently anyways. If we don't see
Speaker 2: some of these veteran players, some of their betteran players
Speaker 2: on the field, I think it could easily be a
Speaker 2: Dolphins runaway next week. Who's gotta win. Miami has to
Speaker 2: win to stay in this playoff.
Speaker 1: On to Taylor who finished eighth or ninth? I can't
Speaker 1: remember on my backup quarterback rankings.
Speaker 2: He found him found.
Speaker 1: So it will fight by those backup quarterback rankings again.
Speaker 1: Where is that look how great that looks. Of course
Speaker 1: this doesn't include Daniel Jones, who's now a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: So this is pre Daniel Jones being a backup.
Speaker 2: There's where where's trot?
Speaker 1: Seventh? Pardon me, seventh?
Speaker 2: I haven't ranked you did in factor Drew Locke's rushing
Speaker 2: abilities nearly enough Drew third.
Speaker 1: This is this rankings. These rankings are pristine, man. I
Speaker 1: stand by them, stand by them.
Speaker 2: I still does anybody else still think of the Belik
Speaker 2: Willis games as much as I do? Like my mind
Speaker 2: is so blown by them.
Speaker 1: That's why he's tenth. Big time recency buys. I want
Speaker 1: to squeak one more in here.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it. Uh. Falcons at Vikings.
Speaker 1: The Vikings are somehow ten and two. I don't understand it,
Speaker 1: but they are. And Atlanta falls to six at six.
Speaker 1: Remember when people thought Kirk Cousins was the top ten
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. Ah, those of us who rooted
Speaker 1: for Washington, we knew better. Atlanta cou misses.
Speaker 2: A thirty five yard field goal try every TIMEE I
Speaker 2: bet them Gill every time this year. I bet the
Speaker 2: Falcons young Wayku starts missing the field goals. He feels
Speaker 2: really bad about it. He really was losing my mind yesterday.
Speaker 2: That was the start of my mind being lost during this.
Speaker 1: Game, the weirdest kicker year ever, where like the Great Ones,
Speaker 1: miss and everybody Else's made I feel like the only.
Speaker 2: Human being on the planet on the Falcons of this game.
Speaker 2: How many people do we have on that were on
Speaker 2: the Chargers last week?
Speaker 1: Is a weird game. Chargers third and one at their
Speaker 1: own thirty four, Hassan Haskins has the ball poked out
Speaker 1: by Lorenzo Carter, recovered by Clark Phillips set up at
Speaker 1: the Chargers twenty nine, leads to a Bejon two yard
Speaker 1: touchdown round seven to nothing Falcons four minutes left, three
Speaker 1: fifty nine left in the first quarter. Later, with a
Speaker 1: score seven to three Atlanta. Atlanta first play, second quarter,
Speaker 1: first and Tenant the Chargers forty six Cousins picked by
Speaker 1: tarib Still leads to a Dicker fifty one yard field
Speaker 1: goal seven and six Atlanta. That would be the nine
Speaker 1: to seven Chargers. After a Dicker thirty four yard nine
Speaker 1: to seven Chargers at the half. Second half, third quarter,
Speaker 1: ten to nine now is the score. Atlanta goes up
Speaker 1: on a coup field goal fourth and five at the
Speaker 1: Chargers forty Cousins picked by tarib Still again, this time
Speaker 1: sixty one yards of the house. Herbert to Palmer for
Speaker 1: two makes it seventeen to ten with one thirty nine
Speaker 1: left in the third quarter. The Chargers somehow are leaning
Speaker 1: by a touchdown. Ku would get a twenty six yard
Speaker 1: and make it seventeen to thirteen. Late third quarter, and
Speaker 1: then after a Chargers three and out, they tried a
Speaker 1: fake punt from their own thirty six. What was Harbaugh thinking?
Speaker 1: Fourth and four? J K Scott the stone smart for
Speaker 1: only three. Atlanta takes over the Chargers thirty nine, down four.
Speaker 1: They get it to third and goal on the Chargers thirteen,
Speaker 1: and then Cousins casually lofts one into the thicket of
Speaker 1: defenders in the end zone, picked by Marcus may Are
Speaker 1: Chargers Bonn Atlanta's takes over at their own six with
Speaker 1: six oh five to go. They need a touchdown first
Speaker 1: intended the Chargers thirty three Cousin sack by Tierre Tart fumbles.
Speaker 1: Of course he does recovered by Drew Dolman, though, so
Speaker 1: it ends up fourth and twelve with the Chargers thirty
Speaker 1: five with forty seven seconds left. Raheem Morris by the
Speaker 1: way a tour to fourth of timeout us there at
Speaker 1: the end of being sarcastic Cousins picked by Derwin James,
Speaker 1: four picks, Chargers win at seventeen to thirteen. The Falcons
Speaker 1: held the Chargers to ten first downs one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty seven total yards, but they were minus three in.
Speaker 2: Turnover and scoring offensive touchdown in this game for multiple times.
Speaker 2: Right the Chargers of one games doing that this year,
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: And they're taking on the Vikings, who trailed by two
Speaker 1: scorers in the second half. Then they trailed twenty two
Speaker 1: to sixteen. They took over at their own thirty with
Speaker 1: three twenty left, fourth and five at the Arizona thirty
Speaker 1: three with two ten to go to Jefferson for twelve
Speaker 1: three plays later Darnald to Jones from five out twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty two, and then the Cardinals went four
Speaker 1: and out. Kyler picked by Shaq Griffin. Ballgame Minnesota twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty two. I'll say Minnesota by three and a half
Speaker 1: because that was what their number was last week.
Speaker 2: Sos Viking is four and a half.
Speaker 1: Oh, because I figured the Cardinals and the Falcons are
Speaker 1: basically the same team, so.
Speaker 2: Four and a half a little more in this past week. Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Numbers game on the sports vetting network.
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Speaker 1: Anybody want to get on it. By the way, I
Speaker 1: didn't mention about that Minnesota Arizona game, just a little
Speaker 1: a couple other quirks. One, when it was six to
Speaker 1: six late in the first quarter, Kyler lollygagged that last
Speaker 1: sequence the clocking of the ball, so there was probably
Speaker 1: a play that they didn't get to. They settled for
Speaker 1: a Ryland field goal to make it nine to six,
Speaker 1: not that that would come back to haunt them, that's
Speaker 1: all right. And then it was nineteen to six again,
Speaker 1: Minnesota was down two scores. They get a drive, a
Speaker 1: touchdown drive Darnold Johnny Munt to cut it nineteen to thirteen.
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest play of that game. Was then
Speaker 1: third in seven at their own forty five. They're still
Speaker 1: up six and Kyler just throws it up in the
Speaker 1: air right to Byron Murphy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really bad.
Speaker 1: That was the big change in that game.
Speaker 2: So that was the one where like he had to
Speaker 2: have thought he put enough on it to throw it
Speaker 2: out a bound.
Speaker 1: He's gonna just did it. He knew he blew it.
Speaker 1: It's it's just those weird Those are the moments in
Speaker 1: the game, right, All it takes is that one big mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you had them. I know Greg Wilson
Speaker 2: did a great job, and I know he's get a
Speaker 2: lot of praise, as he should. He's so good. Greg
Speaker 2: Wilson's so good. And it was like, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: demote you. Tom Brady's here. I know he was going
Speaker 2: up about them kicking the field goal too when they
Speaker 2: were up three. Thought they should go for it on
Speaker 2: that fourth and goal situation. I thought that was a
Speaker 2: good breakdown by him, just as we've talked about before,
Speaker 2: the putting the pressure on the defense or on the
Speaker 2: on the team and they're gonna get the ball back.
Speaker 2: Just okay if your kickfield goal to go up six,
Speaker 2: knowing they got to go down and score a touchdown
Speaker 2: instead of having to make a decision possibly later. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: So you're talking.
Speaker 1: About the Ryland twenty three yarder when they were up
Speaker 1: in nineteen to sixteen to put him up twenty two
Speaker 1: to sixteen, right, correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking about how he a Cardinals should
Speaker 2: have gone for it there at an interesting conversation. Wasn't
Speaker 2: one that I had seized on in the moment, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think when we start talking about how these endgames
Speaker 2: play out, you want to put yourself in a situation
Speaker 2: where it's either over or you know where you got.
Speaker 2: You got to make the team make a decision.
Speaker 1: Atlanta at Minnesota, you said, I guess three and a half?
Speaker 1: What was it in the end? Minute four four?
Speaker 2: So think about that gain a four and a half,
Speaker 2: there's a five at circa.
Speaker 1: So Atlanta held the Chargers once again to ten first downs,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven total yards, They outgained him
Speaker 1: three fifty to one eighty seven and lost.
Speaker 2: They actually had a pass rush too. This week. They
Speaker 2: had five sacks on Herbert, like Atlanta's pass rush has
Speaker 2: been non existing all year.
Speaker 1: I want to make my point here though. Minnesota was
Speaker 1: outgained by Arizona four oh six to two seventy three
Speaker 1: and one.
Speaker 2: So again, you just have these, you have these.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be prisoner of the moment on this,
Speaker 1: but you just have some franchises that always seem to
Speaker 1: figure it out and some that always don't. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never felt like we we've seen that as much as
Speaker 1: we have this year. It's like the Bears Final Drive.
Speaker 1: I texted, right, I talked about this on Friday. I
Speaker 1: texted in the group chain, I'm like, Chicago will manage
Speaker 1: not to win this with the Raiders and the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: When the Raiders didn't clock it, We'll get to when
Speaker 1: they didn't when they decided not to run it down
Speaker 1: to three in clock it but instead decided to clock
Speaker 1: it at fifteen seconds. I was like, this, they're going
Speaker 1: to mess this up somehow. And it's amazing how teams
Speaker 1: like the Bears and the Raiders mess it up. And
Speaker 1: here we have two games where teams were were outgained,
Speaker 1: and the Chargers and the Vikings and they managed to win.
Speaker 2: I think you're you're reasoning sound though with his with
Speaker 2: his Vikings lined making it three and a half, because
Speaker 2: you're right, I think it's very it's very comparable to
Speaker 2: what the what the Cardinals were this past week.
Speaker 1: I have Arizona and the Chargers ranked similarly, So that's.
Speaker 2: Why I guess at three and a half, again No,
Speaker 2: I I yeah, I mean, if anything, I'd betting Falcons
Speaker 2: in this game. But on that, like you just said, right,
Speaker 2: teams that you trust to figure it out at the end,
Speaker 2: the Vikings keep winning, they keep getting it done.
Speaker 1: Are I don't like anything yet?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Line wise, I got two bets.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like this is the first week though.
Speaker 2: This is like usually my bets come at the end
Speaker 2: the games, at the end of guessing lines. My two
Speaker 2: early Oh, so what do you have so far? I
Speaker 2: laid later with the Lions three so three A juiced
Speaker 2: three on Lions, and then six and a half with
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. Okay, what's next? Next up we have Saints
Speaker 2: at Giants. Saints and Giants Saints lose.
Speaker 1: To the Rams in a game that they were up,
Speaker 1: well it was, it was three to nothing. Then the
Speaker 1: Saints had a fourth and five at the Rams forty.
Speaker 1: They decided to fake the punt. They got a defensive
Speaker 1: hole that led to a group a thirty six yard field. Well,
Speaker 1: but he missed it. He missed the thirty six yarder.
Speaker 1: It ends up being six to nothing after a group
Speaker 1: a fifty four yard and later six to nothing at
Speaker 1: the half in favor of the Saints. Second half begins,
Speaker 1: Rams are a different team. Seventy yard drive kyed in
Speaker 1: from four to seven to six. The Rams lead it
Speaker 1: a couple drives later for the Rams. Four plays eighty
Speaker 1: two yard Stafford to DeMarcus Robinson for forty six. The
Speaker 1: big gainer sets up to pass to Robinson from three
Speaker 1: out fourteen to six Rams. Early fourth quarter, New Orleans
Speaker 1: answers six play, seventy yards car to Mark has been
Speaker 1: of all this scantling from twenty eight out fourteen to
Speaker 1: twelve two point try good. We are tied. Car to
Speaker 1: Dante Peppis for the two pointer fourteen apiece with eleven
Speaker 1: fifty three left Rams after Jordan Whittington forty three yard
Speaker 1: kickoff return fifty six yard drive Staffordon Akua from seven
Speaker 1: out twenty one to fourteen. New Orleans on a drive
Speaker 1: where Taysom got carted off after taking a helmet to
Speaker 1: the knee. They have fourth and three at the RAMS
Speaker 1: nine with one thirteen left. Car hit by Jared Verse.
Speaker 1: Ball goes incomplete. Rams take over at their own nine
Speaker 1: with one oh five left. New Orleans has two timeouts.
Speaker 1: Kiren gets eleven ball game twenty one to fourteen rams
Speaker 1: and they're at the Giants.
Speaker 2: You said, oh the Giant yep. Is that gonna be
Speaker 2: the moment, the Jared Verse moment for him that battles
Speaker 2: for a defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he's
Speaker 2: already got. I don't think there's that high of a
Speaker 2: bar to clear already, right, so I might have done it.
Speaker 2: Saints minus four at the Giants. This is out to
Speaker 2: five right now. I'm just trying to pull up the
Speaker 2: Oprah Brendan just got in my ear. This is getting
Speaker 2: bet this morning. We were four to four and a
Speaker 2: half yesterday. It is out to five now. So people
Speaker 2: coming in early on the Saints there.
Speaker 1: These are easy lines to make so far. Giants had
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty seven total yards against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on Banksgiving.
Speaker 2: Next next up, we have Panthers at Eagles.
Speaker 1: Panthers at Eagles, Panthers, Bucks good game, Bucks sixty three yards,
Speaker 1: Baker to Evans from two out, seven to nothing with
Speaker 1: four to twenty nine left the first quarter. Then a
Speaker 1: Piniero forty seven yard field goal seven to three Tampa
Speaker 1: late first quarter. Then Pinero, who's the most accurate kicker
Speaker 1: every missus thirty eight yard field goal try after a
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay three and out, though Trent and Gill punted
Speaker 1: the ball twenty two yards. Carolina is set up at
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay thirty six four plays Bryson from ten ten
Speaker 1: to seven Carolina midway through the second then it was
Speaker 1: ten to ten. Pinero misses a forty five yardfield goal try.
Speaker 1: Why I'd left Tampa Bay first and tend the Carolina
Speaker 1: forty mayfield pick by chow Smith Wade leads to a
Speaker 1: Pinero twenty seven yard field thirteen to ten Carolina.
Speaker 2: Baker back in after being out for two plays.
Speaker 1: Kyle Trask got in there after Baker got banged up
Speaker 1: for a player two first play, immediately throws a pick
Speaker 1: to Xavier Woods. Carolina set up at the Tampa Bay twenty.
Speaker 1: They settle for Pinero twenty two yard field goal sixteen
Speaker 1: to ten. Late third quarter, Tampa eleven play sixty nine
Speaker 1: yards Bucky Bucky Irving in from six seventeen to sixteen
Speaker 1: Bucks eight fifty three left. Eventually a Irving forty three
Speaker 1: yard run on a subsequent drive with Lee to a
Speaker 1: mcgloughlin twenty six yard field goal after a reshod White
Speaker 1: six yard loss on third and goal at the one,
Speaker 1: so Tampa has to settle for a twenty to sixteen lead.
Speaker 1: Three h five left Carolina after Trenton Gill does not
Speaker 1: kick it in the landing zone. They start at the
Speaker 1: forty nine plays, Bryce thetheel in from twenty five out
Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty Carolina. Good on Bryce Young playing great.
Speaker 1: You have to feel great for this kid. Two hundred
Speaker 1: ninety eight yards passing. So it's twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 1: The Bucks have thirty seconds left. Survivor entries on the
Speaker 1: line here five plays they get it to the Carolina
Speaker 1: thirty four. McLoughlin fifty one yard field goal. Good, We're
Speaker 1: going to overtime. Then Tampa Bay McLoughlin misses a fifty
Speaker 1: five yard field goal.
Speaker 2: Tempt.
Speaker 1: Carolina gets it to first and tenth that Tampa thirty four.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay's dead again, right No Hubbard hit by Anthony
Speaker 1: Nelson fumbles. Yah Ya Dabi recovers Tampa Bay from their
Speaker 1: own twenty nine third play White for thirty for thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards. Two plays later, McLoughlin thirty yard field goal.
Speaker 2: Ball game.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay escapes death twice twenty six, twenty three.
Speaker 2: They win. It incredible. Did you did you catch the
Speaker 2: end of this game?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually missed it. Well, it was in.
Speaker 1: That territory of like, well, they were supposed to go
Speaker 1: when when when red zone ends, the Fox affiliates supposed
Speaker 1: to pick it up. But because it was a four
Speaker 1: h five game and not a four to twenty five,
Speaker 1: they messed it up.
Speaker 2: Oh so the Vegas because the.
Speaker 1: Ravens Eagles game ended earlier this four twenty five game,
Speaker 1: so the Vegas local affiliate didn't air the overtime.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I did. I checked on Fox. They didn't
Speaker 2: have it. I really think much of it because I
Speaker 2: was trying to get over to what was it the
Speaker 2: Cavs Celtics games. But it was really good. At the end,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at like openers, like you know, the NFL
Speaker 2: openers and stuff, and it was you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: what didnt an end ten minutes before Sunday Night Football
Speaker 2: something like that? Fifteen? Yes, I mean it was really cool.
Speaker 2: We got to like four forty five and Pacific. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, Caroline is gonna is that Philly.
Speaker 1: I'll just make the guests here. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: Philly Baltimore game. On the other side, I will say
Speaker 1: Philly minus ten and a.
Speaker 2: Half overses out to twelve and a half. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: how to actually it opened up play thirteen yesterday. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean this is gonna sound again. Ten
Speaker 2: and a half, twelve and a half. Yeah, okay, this
Speaker 2: is gonna sound a little while ago. But I mean
Speaker 2: there's only one side I could consider in this game,
Speaker 2: and it is not the Philadelphia Carolina Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 2: like you said, man, Bryce, good for you, man, You're
Speaker 2: actually looking like a quarterback out there now this team.
Speaker 1: Actually he has now played. He has now played four
Speaker 1: good NFL football games and when he got benched, remember
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton playing. Ever since he's been back, it's like
Speaker 1: he sees the field differently.
Speaker 2: Be solid. It's been fun.
Speaker 1: I wish there was a show that said, when you
Speaker 1: hold the clipbords, sometimes you come back and things are good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. Trying to find value Guessing lines Week fourteen.
Speaker 2: In the NFL right here at VSA.
Speaker 3: Numbers Game on the Sports Vetting Network.
Speaker 1: Back in the Numbers Game, Guessing lines for Week fourteen,
Speaker 1: looking for value Gil Alexander Kelly Biddlin from circa. You're
Speaker 1: in downtown Las Vegas. Already guess the Philadelphia Carolina line.
Speaker 1: I said ten and a half. It was twelve and
Speaker 1: a half. That Philadelphia Baltimore game yesterday was not a classic.
Speaker 2: No, it was done.
Speaker 1: Not a classic, after which Lamar Jackson said his mom
Speaker 1: cussed him out for not running more, for not running more.
Speaker 2: Philly ends up.
Speaker 1: Philly kept trying to give the game to Baltimore, kept
Speaker 1: trying to do it, and Baltimore could not take it,
Speaker 1: and they got a kicker problem. Tucker thirty four yardfield
Speaker 1: will started out the scoring three to nothing Baltimore and
Speaker 1: then Baltimore on the subsequent drive went eighty two yards
Speaker 1: Lamarto Mark Andrews from fourteen out, nine to nothing. Tucker
Speaker 1: doinks the extra point?
Speaker 2: No good?
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker?
Speaker 2: This we're talking about? Yeah, this is getting difficult to watch.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It is diff by the way you see Justin Tuck,
Speaker 1: the former Giant he tweeted out yesterday. He goes, now,
Speaker 1: I'm missing extra points. So he's like acting like he's
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker because people.
Speaker 2: Keep tweeting him as if he is. Oh man, I'm
Speaker 2: missing extra points now? Who was it a Paxton Lynch, right,
Speaker 2: that was the quarterback right at Denver as I worked
Speaker 2: with a guy, worked with a guy, Pax and Boyd
Speaker 2: shout out to you past it, Boyd, and he got
Speaker 2: the Twitter handle just at Paxton, like real early on.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh my gosh, when Paxton Lynch was like terrible,
Speaker 2: he'd get a wave like every Sunday was hilarious.
Speaker 1: So it's nine to nothing Baltimore three and alf after
Speaker 1: Lamar misses a wide open likely downfield on first, then
Speaker 1: fumble the snap on second. Yeah, Philadelphia three and out.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia keeps three and outing at this point, at this
Speaker 1: point in the game, here was Philadelphia drives punt three
Speaker 1: and out, three and out, three and out. It's only
Speaker 1: nine and nothing. Baltimore starts at their own one. On
Speaker 1: third and five from the six. Lamar has ze open
Speaker 1: for first down yard as he throws it in the dirt.
Speaker 1: So now Philadelphia is like, all right, well, we get
Speaker 1: us all this opportunity. Philadelphi set up at the Baltimore
Speaker 1: forty nine six plays, hurts to Goddard from seventeen out
Speaker 1: nine to seven. Baltimore three and now Philadelphia sixty eight
Speaker 1: yards hurts in from one actually fumbles it, but then
Speaker 1: regains it. Fourteen to nine Philly. Tucker would hit a
Speaker 1: fifty yarder to make it fourteen twelve. With a half
Speaker 1: third quarter, third and five of the Philly fifteen, Lamar
Speaker 1: takes a fourteen yard sack Zach baonn which means that
Speaker 1: Tucker has to kick it from forty seven yards. No good,
Speaker 1: I think the hold was bad. Remains fourteen to twelve,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia three and out. Here take the newspaper, Baltimore. After
Speaker 1: Lamar hurdles for no reason on third and five of
Speaker 1: the sticks, they do get a first down on Andrew's
Speaker 1: two yard gain fourth in inches, though on a fourth
Speaker 1: in inches eventually tucker fifty three yard field goal try
Speaker 1: wide right.
Speaker 2: Was that the one Lamar run. I thought he was
Speaker 2: about to like karate kick the guy. It almost looked
Speaker 2: like that, like he was jumping up to use his
Speaker 2: knee bro.
Speaker 1: He could have just run for the first down instead,
Speaker 1: He's like, I will jump Philadelphia three and out. After
Speaker 1: the Tucker miss Baltimore punt, okay, Philly seventy yards sake
Speaker 1: one in from twenty five. They go up twenty one
Speaker 1: to twelve a little more than halfway left in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Then Baltimore fourth and eight hit their own
Speaker 1: forty two with six to eleven left.
Speaker 2: Did you like this?
Speaker 1: Down nine? They went for it incomplete. Elliott would add
Speaker 1: a field goal twenty four to twelve, and then Baltimore
Speaker 1: we had a garbage touchdown Lamar for thirty nine sets
Speaker 1: up Lamarta likely from eleven out twenty four to nineteen.
Speaker 1: They did declare the alosag a kick and that failed ballgame.
Speaker 1: It was not a classic twenty four to nineteen hurts
Speaker 1: through for one hundred and eighteen yards. The Eagles were
Speaker 1: out gamed three seventy two to two point fifty two.
Speaker 1: For the first time in two hundred eight career games,
Speaker 1: Tucker missed three times. He's missed a career high ten
Speaker 1: kicks in thirteen games. He's made nine of seventeen from
Speaker 1: forty plus he has now made forty two of forty
Speaker 1: four extra point attempts. By the way, the Ravens, you
Speaker 1: know they score by seven in a game, Okay, he
Speaker 1: squandered seven points. They lost by five. Obviously football is
Speaker 1: not that simple, but just.
Speaker 2: Work with me.
Speaker 1: He missed a forty seven and fifty yarder in what
Speaker 1: ultimately was a two point loss to the Steelers earlier
Speaker 1: and in week two when they lost to the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Remember they lost of the Raiders week two. He it
Speaker 1: was a three point loss. Missed he missed a field
Speaker 1: goal there, but that was a long one fifty three.
Speaker 1: But you get the id.
Speaker 2: I think I heard Greenberg say it this morning on ESPN.
Speaker 2: It's total points they've lost by the season, twenty two points.
Speaker 2: He's missed twenty two points worth of kicks.
Speaker 1: I have had them as the number two power ranked
Speaker 1: team all year. This is now a problem that cannot
Speaker 1: be ignored anymore. It can't and you can't be the
Speaker 1: number two power ranked team if you can't rely on him.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's an interesting thing because it's not
Speaker 1: the yips. He still makes field goals randomly in between.
Speaker 1: But then when you lease, you have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're getting with every It just it.
Speaker 2: Just it looks like a golfer swing that's off. That's
Speaker 2: what it looks like to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk about MVP because we'll get to
Speaker 1: Josh Allen right real quick. Yeah, justin Tucker, I mean,
Speaker 1: what what does this team do?
Speaker 2: What should they do? Because Jean Harbaugh says he's not
Speaker 2: doing anything. I think you have more or less what
Speaker 2: he said last week.
Speaker 1: I think you probably have to bring in somebody. I
Speaker 1: think I'm shocked I'm saying this, Gil.
Speaker 2: I did not expect to be saying this at all
Speaker 2: this season or in his career. This is not fair
Speaker 2: to the rest of the team to have Justin Tucker,
Speaker 2: to be bringing out Justin Tucker time after time to
Speaker 2: miss these kicks this team's playing too well this season,
Speaker 2: or or you invent an injury, or just so he
Speaker 2: can come out with some safe face. But I think you,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's Justin Tucker. You're a Hall of Fame kicker.
Speaker 2: You're maybe the greatest kicker who's ever lived. You probably are.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You've lost five games now. I think
Speaker 2: I think I think the longer you keep him around
Speaker 2: this is this is me reading minds right, But the
Speaker 2: the longer you keep him around gives you opening up
Speaker 2: more and more of the opportunity for the locker room
Speaker 2: to get divided because the old guard is gonna want
Speaker 2: to defend him and the new guy is gonna be like,
Speaker 2: this guy's single handedly costing us games.
Speaker 1: What are we doing and new guards. Smut guard is
Speaker 1: what Harbaugh would say.
Speaker 2: That's what he would say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar Jackson, Now, okay, they've lost five games. They
Speaker 1: are at in jeopardy of losing the division to the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I know Steelers are coming. You Tomlin fans, it's coming.
Speaker 2: Well gets it's coming. But here's the MVP race. He's
Speaker 2: duncan honess yesterday. Good for him.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson thirteen games. Remember he's played one more game
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen has. This after last night's game. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson thirteen games, three, two hundred and ninety passing yards,
Speaker 1: twenty nine touchdowns and three picks.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Six hundred and seventy eight yards rushing with three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: four fumbles lost. Josh Allen one game fewer, six hundred yards,
Speaker 1: five hundred and ninety nine passing yards less, so he
Speaker 1: won't get to Lamar's number in passing yards with one
Speaker 1: more game. Instead of twenty nine and three touchdowns and picks,
Speaker 1: it's twenty and five, significantly less touchdowns, significantly fewer touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Instead of six hundred and seventy eight yards rushing, it's
Speaker 1: only three thirty four. He does have three more touchdowns
Speaker 1: on the ground then does Lamar Jackson, and he's lost
Speaker 1: two fewer fumbles. So while everybody's narrative after yesterday as well,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is clearly the front runner for MVP.
Speaker 2: Now, the stats don't show that, correct, the.
Speaker 1: Stats don't show that, But you know what does the
Speaker 1: fact that you have five losses, and so Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: is going to get dinged. Bringing it back to our
Speaker 1: Justin Ducker conversation, he's getting dinged by the Justin Tucker performance.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, because the stats, he's still the MVP
Speaker 1: now now, but if you take MVP literally, right, it
Speaker 1: all depends how these fifty voters want to vote on it.
Speaker 1: Let's say they're like a stats schmats. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about MVP literally, which is most valuable player meaning, or
Speaker 1: at least I would translate it to if you remove
Speaker 1: this player from the team. The Ravens probably figure out
Speaker 1: a way to win some games without without Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: because after all, they do have Dereck Henry, and you
Speaker 1: know there's that. Yeah, but how many games do the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills actually win if they don't like Josh Allen?
Speaker 2: Two? I really wish Patrick Mahomes wasn't in the league
Speaker 2: for as long as he has bet because every year
Speaker 2: i'd i'd be yelling that he's the best player in
Speaker 2: the NFL. This is I started to say that.
Speaker 1: So, by the way, updated the Most Valuable Player odds,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is minus two ten now this morning, Saquon
Speaker 1: moves into the number two position at plus three thirty
Speaker 1: and Lamar drops all the way to plus nine p
Speaker 1: fifty With those stats that we just showed you, does
Speaker 1: this feel like you should be betting Lamar now at
Speaker 1: plus nine to fifty.
Speaker 2: No, I know I was. I was that guy.
Speaker 1: We shall go nine touchdowns in three picks, more than
Speaker 1: double the rushing yards. I know there's one more game
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen plus nine fifty, but because they've lost
Speaker 1: five games, he's not gonna win it.
Speaker 2: The losses are racking up. They are.
Speaker 1: But this is mv I don't know. I guess lave.
Speaker 2: THEA trends we've got from before the season eleven straight
Speaker 2: sixteen to last seventeen MVPs have been quarterbacks. These teams
Speaker 2: have averaged over thirteen wins per season. No MVP in
Speaker 2: the last last ten season came from a team with
Speaker 2: less than eleven wins. Not sure. I'm not saying the
Speaker 2: Ravens are gonna end up there, but they're putting themselves
Speaker 2: in that territory.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if they only win ten. In other words,
Speaker 1: you're saying he's, according to those parameters, he can't win.
Speaker 1: So that would be two more losses he can't win.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. But my mind, I will I will
Speaker 2: say my mind did flip a little bit this week.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's mind did.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm rushiing to bet lay that price
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: But this is why I bring up the stats though, right,
Speaker 1: because I think everybody's including my own. Right, It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen should be the favorite, right, Well, let me
Speaker 1: just look at the stats.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you.
Speaker 1: Don't get twenty nine twenty nine touchdowns and three picks
Speaker 1: now to defend Labar.
Speaker 2: My mind is not flipped as far as oh I
Speaker 2: think Jared Goff and Saquon Barkley should be shorter than him. Well,
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Let me say this, if you're a lot of people,
Speaker 1: can can they parlay awards at some books?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: right now. The Josh Allen Saquon MVP, Offensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year parlay seems pretty uh friendly to them right now.
Speaker 2: You know, this is where we don't we don't have
Speaker 2: access to this. We don't so I don't even think
Speaker 2: about it that way. But there was definitely a point
Speaker 2: last night where I was like, MVP and Offensive Player
Speaker 2: of the Year are starting to feel settled.
Speaker 1: But but as I said, when I went through that game,
Speaker 1: even with all those stats like he did, he missed
Speaker 1: some passes yesterday where we just were horrible.
Speaker 2: Lamar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Lamar.
Speaker 2: But I don't like that's Lamar and Josh Allen are
Speaker 2: gonna do.
Speaker 1: That sometimes, right Anyway, I just think that those stats,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that he's plus nine fifty tempting. I have
Speaker 1: to say, we'll get back to guessing lines on the
Speaker 1: other side. Week fourteen in the NFL, it's a numbers
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Speaker 3: Network the Numbers told the story he's one of those
Speaker 3: idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game
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Speaker 1: We appreciated. It's Gil Alexander, it's my little buddy, Kelly
Speaker 1: Biddley at Kelly Bidling on Twitter. I don't know why
Speaker 1: he h spells it that way. K E l L
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Speaker 2: Right b y d l o N. We never we
Speaker 2: never asked for I never asked Kella by the law.
Speaker 2: I never asked the king of what's the sausage king
Speaker 2: of Omaha? How he spells his name? Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2: We didn't.
Speaker 1: Why didn't keeps giving us winners though we don't care
Speaker 1: we get tweets and beating the book. Sorry about the Savannah.
Speaker 1: I'm mad, Lemy. We'll do tweets. This is from and
Speaker 1: I appreciate all the feedback from everybody. This is from
Speaker 1: Boo Boo boo boo.
Speaker 2: Savannah is such a mad game of trying to organize us.
Speaker 2: I know that. I'm just Matthew Mayberry Gill is the
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers of backup quarterback rankings. Now this could go
Speaker 2: one up two ways.
Speaker 1: Either he's telling me I'm great Aaron Rodgers with quarterback rankings,
Speaker 1: or he's saying, your forty one year old.
Speaker 2: Has been quarterback rankings. I don't know which way you decide.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what it's supposed to be, but
Speaker 2: I laughed as soon as I saw it.
Speaker 1: Let's see shades of Maco also as he says, Bryce
Speaker 1: on gets bench, but improves upon return, and only then
Speaker 1: can the rebuilding process begin. Okay, that's like a shout
Speaker 1: out to the Bill eighty and only then can the
Speaker 1: building rebuilding process begin.
Speaker 2: To the Kelly nod and overacts, we were talking a
Speaker 2: bit about this offer. I can't remember if his last break.
Speaker 2: We had multiple fine discussions over this pass break. I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting with some of this quarterback stuff that
Speaker 2: we've talked about all year, you talking about put, you know,
Speaker 2: put learning, getting him on the bench to learn behind
Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback. I think what we're seeing in Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: right now is really fascinating. Where we've gotten in this
Speaker 2: era of rich, old luxury quarterbacks that nobody challenges. And
Speaker 2: I'm wondering how much of the Justin fields pressure on
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson has kind of made Russell Wilson into the
Speaker 2: quarterback that we're seeing right now, because I don't think
Speaker 2: it's it's nothing.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, Jason Stark, I just want
Speaker 1: to run out and get my damn coffee, get to
Speaker 1: the Steelers recap.
Speaker 2: He said, sorry, sorry about that.
Speaker 1: The numbers guys, we've all heard about the witching hour,
Speaker 1: but are you familiar with the ditching hours? It involves
Speaker 1: ditching work Monday through Friday, ten till noon, seven till
Speaker 1: nine am. On the West Coast. It's a numbers game, folks.
Speaker 1: Best show on the air today, Thank you, Master puppets. Question,
Speaker 1: if Barkley beats Eric Dickerson's record, is he the MVP man?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's funny because I don't know.
Speaker 1: With NFL voters there's only fifty of them. I'm inclined
Speaker 1: to say that might matter with Ashton Genty, who's like
Speaker 1: three hundred and some yards shy of the college football record,
Speaker 1: probably not gonna get three hundred fifty, But you understand
Speaker 1: the point. There's nine hundred and thirty eight voters. I
Speaker 1: almost think it doesn't matter to those idiots, I really do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're like, record, what record? Torch d my
Speaker 1: Saquon MVP and Josh Allen opo y parlay is aging nicely. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's got it reversed. He's got Saquon MVP and Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year is aging nicely. Down from
Speaker 1: eleven hundred to one last week to six hundred and
Speaker 1: five to one this week. Eagles have the Panthers on deck,
Speaker 1: who are allowing one hundred and sixty rushing Yardsberg game
Speaker 1: and New York Mess sixteen. Gil, I think you just
Speaker 1: made the case for Lamar for Offensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year more than MVP. How many quarterbacks can take the
Speaker 1: Ravens to five losses, but how many running backs can
Speaker 1: change the look of the Eagles. So you're saying Saquon
Speaker 1: will be the MVP and the Josh Allen will get
Speaker 1: shut out.
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 1: Ben Handorf, hilarious megapod this week. I loved you asking
Speaker 1: Todd why he doesn't have a yinser accent, and he
Speaker 1: disparaged them saying he's not a Neanderthal, then in the
Speaker 1: next breath claims he loves them and they're his stiller people.
Speaker 2: Lol.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some more lines here. I'll say,
Speaker 1: if we can find some value because I got nothing
Speaker 1: yet nothing Yeah, nothing, all right, Browns at Steelers.
Speaker 2: There they are.
Speaker 1: There are the Steelers Cleveland idol idol three and eight
Speaker 1: at the nine and three Pittsburgh Steelers. And let's just
Speaker 1: say it right now, Mike Tomlin, eighteen years in a row,
Speaker 1: the streak continues of never having a losing season. There
Speaker 1: were three eight and eighths in there, never had a
Speaker 1: losing season.
Speaker 2: And just just stripping money out of my pockets the
Speaker 2: past few years.
Speaker 1: And they hit the over this season win total over
Speaker 1: is clinched the pre flop season win total over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know we talked about the back end of
Speaker 2: the schedule being where it was gonna get tough, but
Speaker 2: I really wasn't expected to be sitting here at week
Speaker 2: fourteen talking about them this overcast. I said it two
Speaker 2: weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I've never been more wrong about anything.
Speaker 2: By the way, Joe Sirollo, who does the late night
Speaker 2: show here, mozeltobe to you because you were the guy
Speaker 2: who had the over on the Steelers did too. Someone
Speaker 2: tweeted yesterday Mitch Adam as well, So good.
Speaker 1: For you, good for both of you. Pittsburgh. This game,
Speaker 1: this game was less ag against Cincinnati was less a
Speaker 1: football game than it was just attract me. Pittsburgh third
Speaker 1: and three at their own forty five, Wilson picked by
Speaker 1: Cam Taylor britt fifty one yards of the house, seven
Speaker 1: to nothing bungles, but it was just they matched him
Speaker 1: every time. Pittsburgh seven play seventy yards Wilson to Pickens
Speaker 1: for seventeen seven to seven. Then Cincinnati six play seventy
Speaker 1: five yards, Brown for forty sets up himself in from
Speaker 1: one fourteen to seven.
Speaker 2: That's Chase Brown.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh, though, says that that's no problem. Seventy yard drive,
Speaker 1: including a fourth and two conversion at their own thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Wilson to Calvin Austin from twenty three out fourteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: Early second quarter, Cincinnati seventy yard drive Burrow to Chase
Speaker 1: this time Jamar Chase, not Chase Brown. From four out
Speaker 1: twenty one to fourteen. Pittsburgh says, no problem. Five play
Speaker 1: sixty eight yards twenty five on Cincinnati penalties Nash and
Speaker 1: from ten twenty one to twenty one Cincinnati and here's
Speaker 1: where the game turned, because you just had to hold
Speaker 1: serve yep, right, this was a tennis match. Sorry, that's
Speaker 1: a better comparison. Cincinnati first intended the Pittsburgh thirty three
Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty one borrow strip sacked by who
Speaker 1: else TJ. Watt Preston Smith recovers that turned into a
Speaker 1: Boswell field goal. Then, since Anta's next drive, fourth and
Speaker 1: one at their own thirty nine, a clear encroachment by
Speaker 1: the Steelers, they call Alex Kappa for a false start.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was bad. That was bad. It
Speaker 2: was so bad and I kind of forgot about it
Speaker 2: at this play.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you brought it in a game where
Speaker 1: you had to hold serve and then when you're already
Speaker 1: down a break, it was like, oh no, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was bad. And replay assist apparently, ladies and gentlemen, we don't.
Speaker 2: Have it for that. Okay, they the most.
Speaker 1: Obvious things in the world. We don't have replay assist for.
Speaker 2: They got to work on this this offseason. Kill Like,
Speaker 2: I'm back to the if. If it can't be there
Speaker 2: to help out consistently, we got to get rid of
Speaker 2: it dead. I think it's a problem. I liked the
Speaker 2: pass interfere was where we could challenge pass interference. I
Speaker 2: liked that rule because it was kind of a rule
Speaker 2: that they brought over from CFL, but they were never
Speaker 2: able to consistently use it in judge.
Speaker 1: The problem with the NFL is you want to talk
Speaker 1: about the problem with the NFS. The problem with the
Speaker 1: NFL is things enter our lives without any warning and
Speaker 1: they act like they were always there. Like, hey, the
Speaker 1: dyt when they called the kickoff dynamic, for instance, it
Speaker 1: was just a term. It was like benign.
Speaker 2: We talked about it all off season. We never heard
Speaker 2: that term ever.
Speaker 1: And then the first day Scott Hansen is like, the dynamic,
Speaker 1: the dynamic kickoff, the dynamic.
Speaker 2: We haven't heard it since. By the way, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: So I forgot about it already. And then replay assists
Speaker 1: showed up one day. Remember like, oh, we don't even
Speaker 1: have to review, and replay assists told us this. If
Speaker 1: you can't replay assist these things, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 1: Also, you can't replay assist the play clock, which is
Speaker 1: the most obvious thing you should be able to replay.
Speaker 1: Can't do it anyway. Boswell ends up kicking a field
Speaker 1: goal after that, twenty seven to twenty one. At halftime,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Russell Wilson at the half. This is at the
Speaker 1: half twenty one of twenty seven for two point fifty seven.
Speaker 1: That's a good game, the most half, the most first
Speaker 1: half passing yards in his career.
Speaker 2: Russ, It's fun to watch him. Good Russ again.
Speaker 1: Third quarter Boswell forty two yard field goal block. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Cincinnati down six, third and twenty one conversion
Speaker 1: of Higgins for thirty one that leads to a McPherson
Speaker 1: thirty eight yard or twenty sive in twenty four. But
Speaker 1: then Pittsburgh goes six plays eighty yards Wilson of Friarmuth
Speaker 1: from twenty five out thirty four to twenty four. Few
Speaker 1: drives later Cincinnati, A couple drives, a couple of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: drives later anyway, thirty eight at their own twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Remember they're down ten. Burrow sacked by Nick Herbiggie fumbles
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson's scoop and score from twenty one out forty
Speaker 1: one twenty four Pittsburgh Katie bar the door. Cincinnati would
Speaker 1: get a touchdown on the subsequent drive to cut it
Speaker 1: to forty one thirty one, but Boswo will kick another
Speaker 1: field goal to make it forty four to thirty one,
Speaker 1: and then Cincinnati would get a five play sixty four
Speaker 1: yard to sixty four yard drive to chase for forty nine.
Speaker 1: The big chunk Joseavas from three out forty four to
Speaker 1: thirty eight with two thirty nine left, but they had
Speaker 1: no timeouts left, so they had to onside kick it.
Speaker 1: I say, I do declare the on side kick that failed,
Speaker 1: and that's your ballgame. Pittsburgh took over with two thirty
Speaker 1: eight left. They needed one first down, they got it.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati loses, they go down. Cincinnati's awful at this point.
Speaker 1: The defense is so bad. The defense is not NFL quality.
Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Burrow that you are wasting a good
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow year.
Speaker 1: They're they're kind of a jokey team, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, how does Luanna Roomo still have his job?
Speaker 2: Like that is? It's gone on too long now.
Speaker 1: But again to Pittsburgh. Tomlin Streek officially continues eighteen years,
Speaker 1: eighteen years I believe Kanye once wrapped about.
Speaker 2: Is that what he was talking about? No? Now was it?
Speaker 1: Eighteen years from Mike? Tomlin Streek officially continues, never having
Speaker 1: had a losing season. They go over their preflop season
Speaker 1: win Till and Russell Wilson to your point earlier twenty
Speaker 1: nine of thirty eight for four fourteen, the Steelers had
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty yards of offense. It's incredible and
Speaker 1: that move from Fields to Wilson and I raised my hand.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I really going away from Fields here
Speaker 1: ends up being a stroke of genius. YEP.
Speaker 2: I mean I love I loved it just for the
Speaker 2: moment of Tomlin having the stones and say what was
Speaker 2: the line about? Like this is why I get paid
Speaker 2: the big bucks. But everybody was questioned, I mean basically said,
Speaker 2: basically clap back with something like that. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to see good Russell Wilson, but man,
Speaker 2: I didn't think I never expected this to be this good.
Speaker 1: Eighteen years Evan Abrams. Steelers went out right as underdogs
Speaker 1: once again. They are five and oh straight up as
Speaker 1: dogs this season. Rest of the NFL's twenty nine percent
Speaker 1: straight up as a dog this year. Tomlin now twenty
Speaker 1: two and fifteen straight up and twenty six nine and
Speaker 1: two against the spread as a dog versus division opponents.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Thank you, Evans. Maybe got one more on
Speaker 2: this game too. Well more what tweet we're tweet? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 2: one more tweet?
Speaker 1: Underdog NFL most consecutive seasons without a losing record for
Speaker 1: head coach Landry twenty one in a row, Belichick nineteen
Speaker 1: in a row, Tomlin eighteen. But Tomlin is the only
Speaker 1: coach listed who has not won the AP Coach.
Speaker 2: Of the Year award. I mean the implication meaning this
Speaker 2: has to be the year, right, I mean, when this
Speaker 2: gets thrown in your face like this, it is. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a list right there. Eighteen years Landry, Belichick, Tom So,
Speaker 2: you give birth to a child, they go to college,
Speaker 2: you still haven't had a losing That's crazy. We wonder
Speaker 2: why there's so many Steelers fans.
Speaker 1: Bringing you back to Kanye, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Steelers minus six hosting the Browns.
Speaker 2: We are at Steelers. Let's see six and a half.
Speaker 2: There's a seven out there as well.
Speaker 1: These lines are very easy to a guess this week
Speaker 1: none of them, and none of them are good.
Speaker 2: We were talking all fair. It is one of these.
Speaker 2: This past few weeks been very light for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these lines are getting yeah, but.
Speaker 1: The last couple weeks at least I've had one that
Speaker 1: I love right and they and they both came home.
Speaker 1: I haven't found that game yet.
Speaker 2: This We've still got six games to go.
Speaker 1: We've still got games to go, and we will look
Speaker 1: for value. That's why we do this guessing lines for
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Speaker 2: We get tweets at meeting.
Speaker 1: The book always appreciated, Blue hen Bill, Your point on
Speaker 1: Lamar is well taken. Hurts was on track to get
Speaker 1: MVP a couple of years back until an injury knocked
Speaker 1: him out of the running. Same could happen to Allen.
Speaker 1: He's due for an injury. The way he plays, He's
Speaker 1: just a man. Damn it.
Speaker 2: That's what he wrote.
Speaker 1: I remember because I had a bet on Hertz Ce
Speaker 1: Spackler twelve to one at Caesar's Lamar all day and
Speaker 1: be fine with it. Harold Irving had to bet saquon
Speaker 1: MVP to hedge My Saquon Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Jason h eleven nice and quiet at work until Guessing
Speaker 1: lines comes on. Missed the first hour. Can you repeat that?
Speaker 1: Thank God for the podcast replay, Thank you, Jason, Michael Burns.
Speaker 1: Dave Ross, our buddy, Dave Ross from the Lombardy Line
Speaker 1: has eleven to one for the Steelers to win the division.
Speaker 2: Let's go d Roy. Wow, good Dave. Let's go baby.
Speaker 1: Harold Irving, I missed the helmet to helmet on Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: he says, the helmet to helmet on Hunter Henry where
Speaker 1: no penalty was called should have been assisted. Oh, Jalen
Speaker 1: Warre and Stan account is not happy with us. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's make sure we highlight the penalty that went the
Speaker 1: Steelers way, or he means the Steelers way.
Speaker 2: I knew we were gonna get something.
Speaker 1: We not even mentioned George Pickens getting thrown down by
Speaker 1: his helmet on the pick six that the rules analyst
Speaker 1: said should have been called.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also didn't mention George Pickens doing the gun thing either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So relaxed there, Jalen Warren's stand account, we're already eating
Speaker 1: crow enough not enough for you, my god, stop it,
Speaker 1: super jerk. That whole Mike Tomlin thing is incredible, especially
Speaker 1: in this day and age. Credit to the whole organization,
Speaker 1: from the owner to the secretaries and everybody in between.
Speaker 1: Good for them. Meanwhile, I have the Giants.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means at the end. I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of fan bases while I have
Speaker 2: the Oh yeah, just feeling that way today. When you
Speaker 2: look at the Steelers and they never lose, your team's
Speaker 2: probably not like that.
Speaker 1: Brandon Kyle Steelers are tenth in points per game up
Speaker 1: for twenty seventh last season. Love Russ, but I think
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith deserves some credit. Good point, praying both the
Speaker 1: truth in nineteen eighty I was a little late tuning
Speaker 1: in today. Did anyone matriculated the ball yesterday? In the
Speaker 1: first forty minutes of the.
Speaker 2: Show, nobody did love the show? He says, No, no
Speaker 2: matriculation yet, but I'll get to it.
Speaker 1: That was your first drop the whole show. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what else happened on the break. I'm not really
Speaker 1: not sure we should talk about this, but Kelly says
Speaker 1: to me off air, he says, hey, do you ever
Speaker 1: remember Hanukkah going into January?
Speaker 2: Gil?
Speaker 1: And I'm like what? Because usually here's the thing with Hankah,
Speaker 1: boys and girls. For those who don't know, Hankah is
Speaker 1: a floating holiday and Honkkah really has no real significance
Speaker 1: in Judaism. It's just kind of an American reaction more
Speaker 1: than anything, to Christmas because when we're kids, when Jewish
Speaker 1: kids are kids, we're so, we're so we love Christmas.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't love Christmas? I love Christmas so much? And
Speaker 1: yet we couldn't participate. So it's its theater it's enhanced
Speaker 1: in the US with Honigh because it's like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: give him something like bigger than it. Actually, so, Kelly
Speaker 1: tells me he goes into January. Usually, how I figured
Speaker 1: out when Hankakah is because it's floating, is my mother
Speaker 1: would call me and she'd be like, Gideon, you know
Speaker 1: hanku tomorrow. I'm like, oh, sure I do. No, I
Speaker 1: never knew. Kelly just tells me it's late. It's December
Speaker 1: twenty fifth of January. Second, yeah, I don't remember it
Speaker 1: ever being that late either.
Speaker 2: Wow, you would remember better than me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's go to Hanka Record Books and see
Speaker 1: what we've found.
Speaker 2: So would you have to do this weekend? Though?
Speaker 1: So, uh, Saturday.
Speaker 2: I cut the story off that way. I was like,
Speaker 2: we gotta save this for air. So it's Saturday.
Speaker 1: So Deborah Song fashion stylist, and Gracie we have a
Speaker 1: Christmas tradition. We go down to the Guardsman's there in
Speaker 1: San Francisco on Fisherman's Wharf, not Fisherman's Wharf, but in
Speaker 1: the what do you call it Herb's pavilion there, and
Speaker 1: we go pick a Christmas tree. But usually we take
Speaker 1: the Christmas tree to her house. Well, now they're in
Speaker 1: my spot right. So I've never had anything Christmas e
Speaker 1: ever in a place where I have lived ever in
Speaker 1: my life. So I end up having to carry this
Speaker 1: Christmas tree up three stories right by the way. You
Speaker 1: never filt your age till you carry a big Christmas
Speaker 1: tree up three stories and you get sap.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The whole time I'm walking up, I'm like, so this
Speaker 2: is what my life has come to. Everybody wants a
Speaker 2: big Christmas tree until you're trying to carry it up
Speaker 2: from stairs.
Speaker 1: Cheer it up, Christmas tree all the way up to
Speaker 1: my place. So I was like, I can't, you know,
Speaker 1: because we don't do the j man typically. So I
Speaker 1: end up getting a Dradle Manora. We got a dradal
Speaker 1: Manora on the Christmas tree. That was my kid session.
Speaker 1: So I got, oh, it's great, that's my weekend.
Speaker 2: Very exciting. I was dying laughing Gil talking about this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is there is. There are items that are tough
Speaker 2: to move because they're heavy, but there's time. There are
Speaker 2: items that are tough to move because they're heavy and clunky.
Speaker 2: Then add on some tree sap and pine needles and stuff.
Speaker 2: And oh, yeah, Christmas trees are a blast. What's what's
Speaker 2: the shackline? Thirty nine nine? That was?
Speaker 1: That was mee with a Christmas tree. Yeah, Merry Christmas, everybody?
Speaker 2: Can we say that yet? I love Christmas?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I hadn't realized that.
Speaker 2: So took so much work. So I had to bring
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Three steps, three, three flights stairs.
Speaker 2: All right, what's next? All right? Still in the Early Window,
Speaker 2: last game of the Early Window, Raiders at Bucks.
Speaker 1: Two and ten, Raiders six and six.
Speaker 2: Bucks.
Speaker 1: We talked about the bucks amazing win against the Panthers
Speaker 1: where they were dead twice, Bucky Irving twenty five for one,
Speaker 1: fifty two in a touch, Evans eight for one, eighteen
Speaker 1: in a touch as he tries to keep his streak
Speaker 1: of a thousand yard receiving years intact. And then the
Speaker 1: Raiders on Friday, because Kelly and I weren't on air
Speaker 1: over the weekend, we just the final sequence of that
Speaker 1: game again, down seventeen to sixteen at their own five
Speaker 1: with one forty six left and no timeouts. Offside on
Speaker 1: the Chiefs to Abdullah for seven, to Mayor for five,
Speaker 1: to Bowers for twenty five. How good is here, by
Speaker 1: the way, so good to Myers for eleven, to Abdullah
Speaker 1: for seven. He does not run out of bound yep okay.
Speaker 1: To the Kansas City thirty two, he doesn't go out
Speaker 1: of bounds. O'Connell spikes it with fifteen seconds left. Why
Speaker 1: why did you do that?
Speaker 2: Just let it go to three? Kick the field goal?
Speaker 2: He didn't.
Speaker 1: So third and three at the Kansas City thirty two,
Speaker 1: they need a field goal to win. The center Jackson powers.
Speaker 1: Johnson snaps it early for no reason. O'Connell not ready fumbles.
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton recovers, and the Kansas City Chiefs after a conference.
Speaker 1: By the way, the refs got together, like yep, that's happened.
Speaker 1: That happened. Chiefs ball. The Kansas City Chiefs invent another
Speaker 1: way to win a football game. It's it's amazing. O'Connell
Speaker 1: threw for three hundred and forty yards against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Bowers had one hundred and four of them on ten catches.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay minus seven is my guest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, we're at seven. There were one or
Speaker 2: two seven and a half's out there. Looks like it
Speaker 2: is pretty much seven. I did see Baker Mayfield was
Speaker 2: in a walking boot after that game yesterday, so something
Speaker 2: to monitor this week. He got his ankles stepped off.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, which he had that awesome run too. At
Speaker 2: the end of that. You could see him limp immediately,
Speaker 2: and he's so fun to watch it.
Speaker 1: He's so funny. Kyle Trask came in for two plays.
Speaker 1: Baker came in immediately, threw a pick but rebounded again.
Speaker 1: Thirty seconds they had in that game to get into
Speaker 1: field goal range, no problem, yep, they had all their
Speaker 1: time out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the story? I read real quick. He
Speaker 2: showed up in a walking boot to the press conference
Speaker 2: or something. Press conference was wrapping up. I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody asked him about Bryce Young, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure to say something about how impressive Bryce Young
Speaker 2: was that day. Yeah good. Baker's getting so easy.
Speaker 1: To root for many a whole They are a whole
Speaker 1: lot easier to root for than the Falcons. They're gonna
Speaker 1: win that division for sure.
Speaker 2: I hope not. But man, I got money on the Falcons,
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is. It's starting to feel that way.
Speaker 1: Minus seven is what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right on. Yeah, I'm telling you
Speaker 2: these seven and a half. When they're this easy, there's
Speaker 2: no value. What's next? This is uh, this is when
Speaker 2: I might get involved in Gil, but you gotta watch.
Speaker 2: It would only be Bucks and I gotta figure out
Speaker 2: what's going on with Baker and how bad that might
Speaker 2: be this week? Ooh, this is big. Yeah. Seahawks at Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Seahawks at Cardinals, the seven and five Seahawks who lead
Speaker 1: the NFC West by a game over the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: the Rams, and by two games over the Niners.
Speaker 2: My futures on the Seahawks are gonna be so crazy
Speaker 2: how they play out, because I have them to make
Speaker 2: the playoffs and them to be make the playoffs as
Speaker 2: a wild card scene as well. And I have no
Speaker 2: idea where they're gonna know.
Speaker 1: Arizona's gotta be favorite in this game, I will say
Speaker 1: by a field goal. Arizona again out gaining Minnesota four
Speaker 1: h six to two seventy three, and they lost Seattle
Speaker 1: in a two fifty nine to two fifty eight total
Speaker 1: yards game against the Jets yesterday. They eke it out
Speaker 1: because Aaron Rodgers was terrible at football. Arizona minus three.
Speaker 2: Will Gil be involved with the Cardinals once again, because
Speaker 2: it is two and a half.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it would be. I think I will be
Speaker 1: at two and a half in a week where there's
Speaker 1: very little to choose from. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 2: Yep, I thought you were gonna like that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll take that all right.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you this, because we talked about MVP,
Speaker 1: what about Coach of the year, Because we have pre
Speaker 1: flop bets on Mike McDonald, not Michael McDonald, not Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 1: If they win this division, which they are now in
Speaker 1: the lead for, Mike McDonald is longer than where we
Speaker 1: got him before the season. He's twenty five to one.
Speaker 1: The coaches that are shorter than him Andy Reid. There
Speaker 1: is nine coaches more than a quarter of the league
Speaker 1: is shorter. Andy Reids twenty two to one. Matt Leafloor
Speaker 1: sixteen to one. Sean McDermott. Okay, let me ask the
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott question. I'm less interested in the Mike McDonald question.
Speaker 1: I have a better question. Let's go to Sean McDermott
Speaker 1: for a second. Dan Campbell, by the way, the short
Speaker 1: shot here plus one twenty. Tomlin is four to one one,
Speaker 1: as is O'Connell. Peyton and Harriball plus five fifty, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn twelve to one, McDermot at fourteen to one. I
Speaker 1: asked this question to Drew last week. I said, if
Speaker 1: the Chiefs go fifteen and two, who's more likely Is
Speaker 1: it is Andy Reid more likely to get Coach of
Speaker 1: the Year or is Patrick Mahomes more likely to get MVP?
Speaker 1: He said Mahomes. I said, no way.
Speaker 2: Read yeah, I'm going completely on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: But if I asked the same question of the Bills
Speaker 1: and I say, if they go fifteen and two, what's
Speaker 1: more likely Alan to get MVP or McDermott to get
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year, The answer is Alan to get him.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen not even close. Yep.
Speaker 1: McDermott never gets a sniff of this.
Speaker 2: Never, I don't think he does. Yeah, that's the one
Speaker 2: bet on there. I don't know shorter than fifteen camp be.
Speaker 1: So what we're saying is if they go fifteen in two,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna care about Sean McDermott either. They might
Speaker 1: care about why the story.
Speaker 2: Is not good enough. It's interesting because Josh Allen's awesome.
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Speaker 1: bet Arizona State seventy five to one to win the
Speaker 1: Big twelve.
Speaker 2: In week three.
Speaker 1: Let's go Sundevils Isaiah. Oh, Samuel nof Isaiah has Sun Devils.
Speaker 2: No, he was an ASU student. Oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just say this, by the way, college fooble,
Speaker 1: we'll have fu Tech on tomorrow. College football just so
Speaker 1: awesome with these playoff possibilities now and how this is
Speaker 1: going to shake out. And also so like the with
Speaker 1: the scenarios heading into Saturday, I was under the impression,
Speaker 1: as so many people were. I thought I had all
Speaker 1: the scenarios down and in the Big Twelve, right, The
Speaker 1: impression was that Arizona State and Iowa State both controlled
Speaker 1: their own destiny. But as it turned out, Iowa State
Speaker 1: did not because of a TCU Cincinnati result. And so
Speaker 1: midday on Saturday, wait a minute, it's not enough for
Speaker 1: Iowa State to win this game. They also have to
Speaker 1: have this other thing happen, which was BYU winning, which
Speaker 1: is what ended up happening, but that was the other thing.
Speaker 1: It's like people who thought they had the scenarios and
Speaker 1: it was listed in publications didn't know the scenarios really yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was too much going on in the Big Time.
Speaker 2: I saw a graphic over the weekend, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what point of the day it was on Saturday
Speaker 2: where there was like five teams listed with different scenarios.
Speaker 1: It was. It was fascinating, but ASU one game away,
Speaker 1: one win away in the Big Twelve championship against Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Jason Stark Steelers fans so he's showing.
Speaker 2: A U marks Now fans, he's.
Speaker 1: Showing both a Josh Allen and a George Pickens doing
Speaker 1: some gun thing and he's trying.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Josh Allen is doing a gun
Speaker 1: thing or he is reaching for a first out, whatever
Speaker 1: the case is. They didn't play the Bills. Let's wrong
Speaker 1: with Steelers fans so sensitive? How about y'all go Dantannon
Speaker 1: be a little less sensitive in that.
Speaker 2: You gotta yeah, we're gonna play the video. I don't Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't remember who the guys were. Remember the video
Speaker 2: we saw earlier in the season though, the podcast talking
Speaker 2: about the gun celebrations like, okay, like the pedalties the
Speaker 2: funniest thing ever. Yeah, video, I've seen that this whole season.
Speaker 2: They were talking about the pedalties and making these motions
Speaker 2: and hey, we want to pedal pedalize. It makes sense
Speaker 2: to pedalize these guys for this. However, the hypocrisy of
Speaker 2: when we have the Patriots mascots, for the.
Speaker 1: Patriots to do an entire like long winded musket thing
Speaker 1: when they score a touchdown where they're like loading the
Speaker 1: gun with the powder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like six guys that come out dressed.
Speaker 1: Up by colonial So some of these NFL players should
Speaker 1: do an entire or like long winded musket thing s
Speaker 1: if they get penalized.
Speaker 2: The cannon firing at Tampa Bay, like it's right, NFL.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe look at the mirror a little bit.
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Speaker 1: name and he's too far into the relationship to ask her.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you something? I don't know our name.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea what it is yet a week
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Speaker 1: I think a corrected copy for the read is in order.
Speaker 1: Just saying all the pieces are there. I like when
Speaker 1: you all get mad at the promos. You're right at
Speaker 1: Cyber Monday.
Speaker 2: I've begun to gather by the things. That is a
Speaker 2: Twitter name. That is great.
Speaker 1: Charlie d Usa is showing me dragging a Christmas tree
Speaker 1: through the snow.
Speaker 2: I wish I could have watched that.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's see Brian Schaeffer.
Speaker 2: Somehow.
Speaker 1: Gil will have the Niners in the top ten still
Speaker 1: and tell Kelly he doesn't root for them. Kidding, love you, Gil,
Speaker 1: don't root for them. I will say this though Power Rankings,
Speaker 1: the Niners listen after last night, though the window is
Speaker 1: officially shut. We'll get into this momentarily. The problem with
Speaker 1: Power Rankings once you get past the top six teams is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, are the Texans better than the Niners? Is
Speaker 1: Washington better than the Niners?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know that they are.
Speaker 1: Just because their records are better, doesn't I don't know
Speaker 1: that they are.
Speaker 2: Texans are still probably there are one of the most
Speaker 2: disappointing teams to me this year. I expected them a
Speaker 2: lot better than this.
Speaker 1: Kevin Ryan Gil with resurgence on Baker, I think he
Speaker 1: needs to move into Raymond James Stadium and start making
Speaker 1: progressive commercials again.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed them. I did too. I used to like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: where he lived in the stadium.
Speaker 1: Let's see, oh Todd wishingev I was kidding about being
Speaker 1: about not being a Neanderthal. I do love my Stiller
Speaker 1: yensers Brian Young arguably one of my favorite segments of
Speaker 1: the week, guessing lines. Keep up the great work, fellas,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate it. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to another all right. Sunday four, twenty five, Eastern Bills
Speaker 1: that rams Okay, did you see the game last night?
Speaker 1: In the wintry lake effect conditions in Buffalo? Always great
Speaker 1: to see. Game started, Niners were up three to nothing,
Speaker 1: Niners were moving the ball. Buffalo, though, did counter. End
Speaker 1: of the first quarter twelve play seventy yard drive. Ray
Speaker 1: Davison five, seven to three. But San Francisco again moving
Speaker 1: the ball. They were matriculating the ball. There you go,
Speaker 1: they were matriculating the ball.
Speaker 2: Down the field.
Speaker 1: First intend at the Buffalo thirty after a terrible illegal
Speaker 1: contact call on Tamar Hamlin, McCaffrey, who had been gashing,
Speaker 1: goes down on his own after for a five yard loss,
Speaker 1: absolutely untouched, goes down. Now, this is one of these things.
Speaker 1: This is where I was saying all year, Are we
Speaker 1: sure we are ever going to see Christian McCaffrey again?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I kept saying it because if you have bilateral problems,
Speaker 1: meaning in both legs with your achilles, your body is
Speaker 1: going to overcompensate.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: First of all, your achilles could snap. There was one
Speaker 1: shot from behind where it looked like his achilles did.
Speaker 1: But the way he ran off the field. Remember when
Speaker 1: James Wiseman had the injury earlier this year and everyone
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you think it was achilles? I
Speaker 1: was like, no, because he walked off the court. Fine,
Speaker 1: that was the McCaffrey thing yesterday. You're like, it could
Speaker 1: have been an achilles, but that run off the field
Speaker 1: probably is this PCL and he could be out for
Speaker 1: the year. And I have to tell you, you're.
Speaker 2: A running back.
Speaker 1: You get to this age, you got injuries. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it means for the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: It's scary. It sucked to see yesterday. And I think
Speaker 2: we're I think a lot of us are left asking
Speaker 2: those kind of questions today. Right, we said, because what
Speaker 2: a player? What a player? Are we ever going to
Speaker 2: see him at that level again? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was great when he was playing last night. Then
Speaker 1: a delay after that injury. They settled for a Moody
Speaker 1: forty five yard field goal tried did the Niners. It
Speaker 1: was wide left Buffalo first play up seven to three,
Speaker 1: and suing drive Cook for sixty five fourteen to three Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and the route was on next time they got the
Speaker 1: ball after San Francisco punt nine plays ninety seven yards,
Speaker 1: Alan and Matt Collins from seven out twenty one to three.
Speaker 1: Nice tap of the toes in the corner of the
Speaker 1: end zone. Moody fifty five yard field goal tried to
Speaker 1: end the half short, and then we really don't have
Speaker 1: to get into much in the second half other than
Speaker 1: the first San Francisco drive where it looked like okay,
Speaker 1: maybe they can get back in this game. Deebo sixty
Speaker 1: yard kickoff return, they get it to first and gold,
Speaker 1: the four US check who never fumbles hit by Taylor
Speaker 1: Rappie fumbles and that was that I hit, by the way, what.
Speaker 2: They did not make enough of that on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, it was a little clunky exchange
Speaker 2: on the handoff. No, that was an amazing hit to
Speaker 2: jar the ball loose at the half yard long.
Speaker 1: Oh, I do have to mention this. So when Buffalo
Speaker 1: gets the ball back.
Speaker 2: Said after that, after that play though, they were going
Speaker 2: to break. And I was like, there's two ways you
Speaker 2: can take what he said. He goes and there's the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers season right there. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm pretty sure he's talking about that's how
Speaker 2: their season's been.
Speaker 1: He meant it represented how their season's been.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, it's a little weird thing to say with a
Speaker 2: broadcast it still has got a couple hours in it.
Speaker 1: He was right on both counts, because that's that's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're only here's the thing, they're
Speaker 1: only two back in their crappy division. And if the
Speaker 1: and what the Cardinals play the Seahawks. The Cardinals are favored.
Speaker 1: If the Cardinals win that the Niners are playing, who will.
Speaker 2: See crappy division or good division with no great team
Speaker 2: in it and no horrible team.
Speaker 1: It's a kind of crappy division because I think Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams.
Speaker 1: Let's take the Niners out for a second. Do you
Speaker 1: know what those teams are?
Speaker 2: Why I take the Diners out? I don't know what
Speaker 2: any of these teams are. Are they good? Are they bad?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if thirty anyway, Buffalo gets
Speaker 1: the ball back. After that, they go six plays forty
Speaker 1: four yards and three oh five and the play of
Speaker 1: the game after a fourth and two hookup to Khalil
Speaker 1: Shakir for eighteen first in goal to seven Alan to
Speaker 1: Cooper for no game. He pitches it back to Alan,
Speaker 1: who scores twenty eight to three Buffalo. The rest was academic.
Speaker 1: Buffalo ends up winning the game thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1: On that play, Alan gets credited with a touchdown pass.
Speaker 2: He gets credited with a with a.
Speaker 1: Touchdown receiving, but not a reception correct.
Speaker 2: I would never understand how some of these stats work
Speaker 2: with him. It was like that.
Speaker 1: It was like that to a pitchy, pitchy woo woo.
Speaker 1: Remember where he threw a forward pass but then they
Speaker 1: lost all the yards on the lateral and he got
Speaker 1: Docto's yards on the bump. Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: The one thing you will no one will be able
Speaker 2: to convince me of on that Playgi and Leaven listening
Speaker 2: to the two afterwards, listening to a Barty Cooper and
Speaker 2: Josh Allen game. I think Amari Cooper did. I think
Speaker 2: he he thinks he screwed up a play. I think he,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he thought that play was a designed
Speaker 2: like it was designed that way and he just didn't
Speaker 2: know it. Oh, I don't think so. He was like,
Speaker 2: I saw Josh Allen run into me, and uh yeah
Speaker 2: he was. He was open, so I pitched it back
Speaker 2: to him. It was kind of a little weird. What
Speaker 2: do you think he that he Josh Josh Allen was
Speaker 2: saying he thought he threw a bad ball, so he
Speaker 2: was running after the ball. Oh.
Speaker 1: Allen first quarterback in NFL history to throw, catch and
Speaker 1: run for a touchdown in a game CMC in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. LT Ladandian Thominson did it in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, but Allen's the first QB to do it.
Speaker 1: Buffalo minus four and a half at the rams Man.
Speaker 2: Good guess this opened a little bit lighter. I think
Speaker 2: it was three and a half, but we're up to
Speaker 2: four four and a half.
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Speaker 1: Paul Nelson, Good morning, Bill and Kelly. The team tied
Speaker 1: for second in the Crappy Division, almost beat the now
Speaker 1: ten and two Vikings at their place. I can't wait
Speaker 1: till the current division leader takes down those Vikings on
Speaker 1: December twenty second at home.
Speaker 2: See they got that person's get upset about your NFC
Speaker 2: West Solander. I guess yeah. I was kind to be
Speaker 2: more just asking the question.
Speaker 1: Listen, I stand by it. I don't know from week
Speaker 1: to week do you trust any of those teams all
Speaker 1: none of them.
Speaker 2: But I also know they're not all four of them
Speaker 2: or not in like the bottom quadrant of the NFL,
Speaker 2: not at all. By the way, the ten and two
Speaker 2: Vikings aren't that good either. Just want to buy that out.
Speaker 1: They're good, they're not ten and two good, I would say. Okay,
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Speaker 1: has already fired. He's on the Lions minus three, Lions
Speaker 1: minus three against the Packers on Thursday night, minus three,
Speaker 1: minus one twenty. That game's already off the three though.
Speaker 1: I think I just went twenty still out there on three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you said I got the four. No,
Speaker 2: it's three most places, okay.
Speaker 1: I guessed four on that, And you're on the Dolphins
Speaker 1: at minus six and a half. Dolphins are playing who
Speaker 1: again often Jets.
Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see where this one moves throughout
Speaker 2: the week. But man, I think there's think Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: has done this Jets season's done. A must win game
Speaker 2: for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I'm fine getting in early on this. Oh and you
Speaker 1: made an MVP bet in the NBA. My name is Luca.
Speaker 2: They're stacking up Gil I said before the season, I'd
Speaker 2: be looking for SGA and Luca drifts. Luca missed some
Speaker 2: time coming back, his numbers have not been the same
Speaker 2: so far, but being able to grab him at seventeen
Speaker 2: to one a little bit more than a month into
Speaker 2: the season, I think it's the right timing. So far,
Speaker 2: so good. It looks like on the timing of the
Speaker 2: Yannis bet just a couple of weeks ago at thirty
Speaker 2: five to one, he's down to like six to one.
Speaker 2: So it's all you're trying to do. Look for these
Speaker 2: little drifts early in the season.
Speaker 1: And Norm Powell, after six games missed with a hamstring,
Speaker 1: showed up yesterday, scored twenty eight twenty nine.
Speaker 2: What did he score yesterday?
Speaker 1: And the Slippers winning and he is shooting a four
Speaker 1: twenty nine point six percent from behind the arc. That's
Speaker 1: my most improved player bet. I will add here momentarily
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. See, that's how much I hate the NFC West.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet the Cardinals minus two and a half
Speaker 1: over another over another NFC West team.
Speaker 2: Does your gut tell you the Cardinals are the best
Speaker 2: team in that division? My gut does not tell me that.
Speaker 1: My gut tells me that the Niners are the best team,
Speaker 1: but they have no players.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's what my gut. Because you've bet this
Speaker 2: is what this is gonna be? What third week in Arrow?
Speaker 2: You bet the Cardinals?
Speaker 1: Oh, I've bet them more than any other team this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to great success. It'd been great. All right.
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Speaker 2: What do we got? The crew vibes right now are like,
Speaker 2: these guys can't do this. No, this is what I
Speaker 2: did when I first started producing for Gil. All right,
Speaker 2: three games Bears at Niners, four to twenty five Easter.
Speaker 2: It always gets done.
Speaker 1: Have we ever had one show in the history where
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, we didn't get to that.
Speaker 2: What did you say it was?
Speaker 1: Was it Bears at four and eight, Bears at five
Speaker 1: and seven?
Speaker 2: Niners? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: What are the Niners to win that division?
Speaker 2: Oh? Let me look it up.
Speaker 1: Bears we talked about they lose because of the eberfluce.
Speaker 1: Caleb tour de force of malpractice on Thursday in Detroit.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: The Niners lose last night to the Bills. Brack A
Speaker 1: Purty through for ninety four yards in the snow eleven
Speaker 1: of eighteen for ninety four.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Niners were held to two hundred and thirty nine
Speaker 1: total yards. They were minus three in turnovers. They already
Speaker 1: were without Trent Williams, Nick Well last night they were
Speaker 1: without Trent Williams, Nick Bosa and Diamador Lenoir. Then they
Speaker 1: see Christian McCaffrey leave with the PCL injury, the non
Speaker 1: contact injury. He didn't return, probably done for the season,
Speaker 1: We're guessing maybe the career is threatened. Already had the
Speaker 1: achilles tendonitis and they had you know, they've already had.
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy was out last week. George Kittle missed some
Speaker 1: time with the Hammy good god. Niners by three and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: Dead on look at you today. This this is another
Speaker 2: one that's been getting bet. This morning opened up I
Speaker 2: think both players were four and a half. Easiest week
Speaker 2: of the year to guest lines. Yeah, this is they
Speaker 2: opened up four and a half. Bears a getting bet early,
Speaker 2: down to three and a half pretty much everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can we just say that this is an elimination game.
Speaker 1: Whoever loses this game is done.
Speaker 2: This has been This has been by far your yes,
Speaker 2: yes on that, Yeah, this has been by far your
Speaker 2: best On the games that have moved early, you've been
Speaker 2: all over the movement.
Speaker 1: So when I submitted them to you last night, you were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they all moved towards.
Speaker 2: Me like a point a half. All moves you got it.
Speaker 1: That's not good because then I didn't get the better next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Sunday night football, Chargers at.
Speaker 1: Chiefs, Chargers at Chiefs, the eight and four Chargers in
Speaker 1: the eleven and one Chiefs. Oh I slept on this,
Speaker 1: So maybe the Packers Detroit isn't the best game.
Speaker 2: I think this is the second best, second best.
Speaker 1: Herbert in that win, sixteen of twenty three for one
Speaker 1: forty seven mcaukee had one hundred and seventeen of his
Speaker 1: one hundred forty seven yards passing.
Speaker 2: He had it.
Speaker 1: Receiving ten first downs is all the Chargers did in
Speaker 1: that win over the Falcons. Again, ten first downs, one
Speaker 1: hundred eighty seven total yards. They were out gained three
Speaker 1: fifty to one eighty seven, but they were plus three
Speaker 1: and turnovers. They ran thirty one fewer plays than did
Speaker 1: the Falcons the last fifteen years. This comes to us
Speaker 1: from our buddy Nick Whalen. Yeah, Nick, Nick Whalen. Last
Speaker 1: fifteen years, teams that finish under one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: total yards were twenty one and two thirty straight up
Speaker 1: before yesterday's game.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Please don'll me more about the ways I
Speaker 2: lost my Falcons bet.
Speaker 1: Twenty one and two thirty that's what the Chargers bucked yesterday.
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Fourteen straight one possession wins.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 1: Not four Dean straight games that they won were one possession,
Speaker 1: but of the one possession outcomes, fourteen in a row
Speaker 1: they've won. That's the longest streak in NFL history. They
Speaker 1: clinch a playoff berth Kansas City by four over the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Ding Ding, dang, you're all over this one too. This
Speaker 2: was me, I think three and a half. Pretty much
Speaker 2: everywhere is where it opened. Chiefs money early, were out
Speaker 2: to four most places. Look at you man, all right.
Speaker 2: One more Monday Night football Bengals at Cowboys. They could
Speaker 2: not move this game because of the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: Could not flex that we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: Could not flex it because the Simpsons. They got too
Speaker 1: much riding on this. It's locked in. The animators got
Speaker 1: angry or something.
Speaker 2: We were too hard on this game.
Speaker 1: Four and eight Bengals five and seven. Cowboys catch the
Speaker 1: fever burrow yesterday, twenty eight to thirty eight for three
Speaker 1: h nine. They were out gaining. The Bengals were by
Speaker 1: the Steelers five twenty to three seventy five. They were
Speaker 1: minus two and turnovers, and boy did those turnovers matter,
Speaker 1: because yeah, just bad bad. You have to hold serve
Speaker 1: in a game like that. They couldn't Steelers beat them.
Speaker 1: Dallas on Thursday against the Giants, Doubtle was twenty two
Speaker 1: for one to twelve in a touchdown. I had to
Speaker 1: give one Dallas stat. I will say the Bengals are
Speaker 1: favored on the road, and I will say they were
Speaker 1: favored by four and a half because how are the
Speaker 1: Cowboys going to keep pace with their offense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is okay, You're a little off most places.
Speaker 2: Five five and a half's where they opened. Oh it's
Speaker 2: more than what I think it has been Bengals money.
Speaker 2: Early we were out to six six and a half.
Speaker 2: Boy to six and a half on this game right now.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, though I would have get I would
Speaker 1: have when you said I was off, I would have
Speaker 1: thought I would have it would have been less. But
Speaker 1: you're saying it's higher, yeah, because that is really the
Speaker 1: handicap of the game, right, Like how the one thing
Speaker 1: you know is that as bad as the Bengals defense is,
Speaker 1: the Bengals offense is going to crush.
Speaker 2: I'm writing down Bengals team total over right, now a
Speaker 2: battle half Yeah, and I and then that Cowboys offense
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush led it can't keep up. There's just no way.
Speaker 2: We'll see how inspiring. Micah Parsons was right, Hey, they're
Speaker 2: making a run. We're making it around. They're making a run.
Speaker 2: What is the line six? You said, there's six six
Speaker 2: and a half. Okay, maybe we're getting a little crazy.
Speaker 2: The're ever getting a little car all right, I'll be
Speaker 2: on the Cardinals. That's the one at two and a half.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the one that I took away from this.
Speaker 2: Kelly's got his as well. Hope you enjoy it. I
Speaker 2: hope you fould some value