1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noll. They called 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: want you to know. I believe this is officially our 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: first Strange News segment. We are recording in twenty twenty one. 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: So congratulations, conspiracy realist. You are embarking on this journey 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: together with us. We have so much news you and 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: we've you know, guys, we've been doing something that I 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: think is is pretty neat over the past few weeks 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: with Strange News. We've been finding at least one news 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: story that is not a terrible indicator of a dystopiate healthscape. 17 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: We found like at least one every time. I think 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: it's important. You got to maintain balance in the forest 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: and all that. I mean. If if not for the 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: listeners or our own sanity, I would say hold man 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm just looking through those stories that we've done recently. 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Are you sure a lot of this looks like hellscape 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: to me? Well, we we found some silver linings to 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: use the cliche, but I was also I was going 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: for the last two weeks, so I can't speak to that. 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait to check it out though, and be 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: completely bummed out. Well, no, you you missed super Gunaria, 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: I think, didn't you. I would always missed Superna hope, 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: So I hope so well, welcome back, nol Uh. We 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: hope you had great adventures. We hope everybody hearing this 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: had some semblance of a break. As we discussed earlier, 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: the calendar as it stands is a relatively arbitrary thing. 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: But you know, well, let's take what wins we can get. 34 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Was one of those kind of uh, what's what's that 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: they say in aviation, any any landing you can walk 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: away from storm. That's more for the nautical, the nautical 37 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: version one to one. But yeah, and so today we 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: bring you, uh, a legal story, a story of burgeoning war, 39 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: a story of technological ingenuity that could save millions of people. Literally, 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: those are all the same story. Those are three different stories. 41 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: We'll explore them. Now, this is something let's start with 42 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: this with this is something that's on everybody's minds. We 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about it in the early 44 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: hours of the of Monday, j Ananuary fourth, as we 45 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: record this. Julian Assans. You guys remember a while back 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: we did an update on Assan, who had been held 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: at the notorious, the infamous Bell Marsh prison for for 48 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: a long time, and we saw photographs of the man 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: who was a little he looked worse for where Uh, 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: there were concerns about his mental condition, and we were 51 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: speculating a little bit, as you always have to do. 52 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: We're speculating whether this was being played up as a 53 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: way of arguing against his extradition to the United States, 54 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: where he is wanted on seventeen espionage charges and one 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: charge of what's called computer misuse. And this is this 56 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: is still part of the u S attempts to prosecute 57 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: him for his work with wiki leaks. Uh ten years ago, now, Matt, 58 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that's so crazy. It is ten years ago now. He 59 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: leaked military and diplomatic documents, right, and the argument on 60 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: the u S side is that in doing so, he 61 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: placed the lives of civilians and service members in immediate danger. 62 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: These are charges, of course, that Assange categorically denies, and 63 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: the argument on his legal team side is that they 64 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: are being punished, and Assange is being punished in particular 65 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: for revealing US violations of international and even domestic law. 66 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: So you can learn more about the overall case for 67 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and against a Sane from our previous episodes. You can 68 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: learn the recent news from our update, which wasn't too 69 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: long ago, but just today as we were heading into 70 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: the studio, it became official. A British judge has blocked 71 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: Julian assangees extra isisition to the US. He is currently 72 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: not going to the United States Astric astric ASTERIX, so 73 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: much fine print as we caveats this, uh, folks, peek 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: behind the conspiracy curtain. As we record this, we're recording 75 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: an episode that you are going to hear on January eleven. 76 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Right now, the U S authorities have a right to 77 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: appeal this denial of extradition. They have fifteen days to 78 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: make a case, and of course we imagine they will 79 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: make a case because when we talk about Assange, we 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: talked about wiki leaks. I think it's fair to say 81 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: and stop me if I sound too cynical here, Matt 82 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Noel doc I think it's fair to say it doesn't 83 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: matter which political party is in office. I think they'll 84 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: still try to extrad item. Would you agree with that? Yeah, 85 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, what he represents I think is 86 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: a what either saw I would maybe consider a dangerous 87 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: precedent for I mean, it is free speech, but it's 88 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: also leaking classified documents. So it's sort of like a 89 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: question of different points of the law. Is it is 90 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: it him exercising civil liberties as as a member of 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: the press, or is it him breaking the law and 92 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: putting people's lives in danger or political careers, which I 93 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: think they're probably more concerned about. I think they view 94 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: it as an affront of the entire system of the things, 95 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: the acts that Julius Sange allegedly did, at least what 96 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: they say he did in working with Chelsea Manning, So 97 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: they have to make some kind of serious example out 98 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: of him so that anyone else attempting to do it knows. 99 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: No matter how long it takes, the United States will 100 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: extradite you back to the US, put you in prison, 101 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: and you will not enjoy it. It will be very 102 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: very bad for you. But that's interesting when we look 103 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: at you don't want to take us too far off topic, 104 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: but it's interesting when we look at the recent case 105 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: of Jonathan Pollard, Uh, the spy for the State of 106 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Israel who was convicted, served as sentence in the US, 107 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and then was given a hero's welcome in that country 108 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: where he now resides. Uh. That was that was the 109 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: case of someone being prosecuted for their crime, but they weren't. 110 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that. It seems like the US government 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: went a little easier on that person, but maybe it's 112 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: because they already had them in custody and in country. Uh. This, 113 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: this there does seem to be an aim to make 114 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: an example of a songe especially because they can't get 115 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: snowed in unless he leaves Russia or is somehow betrayed 116 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: by the Russian government. Yeah. And and just in response 117 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: to that, I would say, uh, Pollard was you know, 118 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: was a spy for Israel, right and working within the 119 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: United States? Am I getting that correct? That is correct? 120 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: So I this is just my take personally, and I 121 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: maybe completely incorrect anyone out there listening, But I think 122 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: the special relationship that the United States and Israel have. 123 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: I think there's there's something to that relationship where he 124 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: wasn't pursued as as hard as a sunge is, because 125 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: if you think about a Sunge, he wasn't working for 126 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, as a spy for another country. He was 127 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: working essentially as a journalist for the public um. And 128 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that the United States military 129 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: and intelligence agencies see the public as the enemy, but 130 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: it's much more dangerous, I think for the public a 131 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: lot of times to know about some of this stuff, 132 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: because it's it makes it way more difficult to get 133 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: the money that is needed right because you're then you're 134 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: you have to worry about elected officials two then you know, 135 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: pass the bills and the funding and all of that, 136 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: rather than with another country where you're at you maybe 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: at odds, but you're still working together. Even if you know, 138 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: say Israel, it did get a lot of intelligence out 139 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: of this, the spy work that he did. Well. It 140 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: also removes that whole diplomatic layer, and there's still obviously 141 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: diplomacy involved an extradition and like you know, demanding they 142 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: extradite him to two so we can have our way 143 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: with them or whatever, and make an example of them, 144 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: but it does remove that whole layer of like working 145 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: with another country and that to that level. It's funny 146 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: that you say that, though to me it seems like 147 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: the situation you're describing with the spy feels worse and 148 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: and more egregious than this. If it was a spy 149 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: for a country that we weren't deeply aligned with, I 150 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: think it would be sort of like, we're like friends. 151 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Why you guys spice spying on I thought we were friends. 152 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: I thought we were cool. But that happens all the time. 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: We've all talked about this before, but you know, friendly 154 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: countries spy on each other all the time, and it's 155 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: always just to make sure you have tabs on what 156 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: everybody else is doing, who's hanging out with you, sometimes 157 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: even harder than your adversaries. So maybe friend indeed so, 158 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: So maybe the issue here is that this is just 159 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: really testing the idea of freedom of the press, like 160 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: really testing it in a way that maybe we don't 161 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: want to see it past that test, like because it 162 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: opens up all of the doors. You know, if he's 163 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: allowed to do this and run rough shot over all 164 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: of these these these rules governing you know, diplomatic exchanges 165 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: and cables and whatever classified stuff. Then it opens up 166 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the doors for anybody to do it and claim freedom 167 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: of the press. Well this is yeah, this is an 168 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: interesting thing. So the the entire reason I bring up 169 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Pollard is not just because he was in the news recently. UH. 170 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life imprisonment. He was released on 171 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: November UH and eventually his parole terms expired in November 172 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: of last year, so he was free. He served his time, 173 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: but he was sentenced to life imprisonment under what's called 174 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: the Espionage Act. And that is the that is the 175 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: legal standing the US is taking for their attempted prosecution 176 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: of Julian Assange, UH, specifically him working with UH former 177 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: defense analysts Chelsea man Any. They say that together he 178 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: and Manning broke the Espionage Act. So I would be 179 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: interested to see what sort of sentencing they arrive at 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: with someone who is not, ostensibly, to your point, Matt, 181 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: a servant of a state actor. Now, the strangest part 182 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: about this story, and the part I don't want anybody 183 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: to miss, is the logic that the United Kingdom's court 184 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: systems used in denying extradition. They did not have any 185 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: beef with the claim that this was a violation of 186 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: US law. They didn't even care about that part really. 187 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: The judge, Vanessa Barrister said, quote, I find that the 188 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: mental condition of Mr Assange is such that it would 189 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of 190 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: America because he is a suicide risk. And I have 191 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: I have a couple of red strings to connect to 192 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: some you know, thumbtax here, you guys, this is happening 193 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: in the wake of the death of Jeffrey Epstein. I 194 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: think at the very least a sizeable part of the 195 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: global population does not believe that man took his own life, 196 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: or they believe he was allowed to do so at 197 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: the very least. So the whole reason the UK isn't 198 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: sending this guy to a US prison right now is 199 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: not because they think the case doesn't have merit. They 200 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: think that something bad will happen to him. They think 201 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: his chances have never seen a day in the U 202 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: s Court, are very very high. And you know what, 203 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: we try to keep our opinions out of this, or 204 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: at least be very transparent when we're talking about our opinions. 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: It is my opinion that they are absolutely right. This 206 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: guy would not make it to court. Yeah, I tend 207 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: to agree. And it is interesting, like you said, they 208 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: basically ruled in favor of of the US on on 209 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: every other point. Uh. The There was a statement from 210 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: the lawyers on the U s side saying, while we're 211 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: exply disappointed in the court's ultimate decision, were gratified that 212 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: the United States prevailed on every point of law raise. 213 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: In particular, the court rejected all of Mr Assange's arguments 214 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: regarding political motivation, political offense, fair trial, and freedom of speech, 215 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, just just to put in there. The judge 216 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: also mentioned something about Julian Assange being um existing somewhere 217 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: within the autism spectrum and and her quote was something 218 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: like single minded determination essentially to take his own life, 219 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: and that somehow the prison system would aid in a 220 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: bet that determined that determination that he has. Yeah, it's 221 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: pretty crazy that that's the way it has to me 222 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: again my opinion personally, it is a way to discuss 223 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: these kinds of things in the open, like like the 224 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Epstein situation, where you put him in 225 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: this place and perhaps his own determination would allow that 226 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: to occur because of the situation at the prison not 227 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the guards or anyone allowing anything. 228 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: It's just it was what would happen something did. What 229 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: indication do we have of his intent to do him 230 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: do himself harm? His public statements, the statements of his fiance, 231 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: the statements of people who have psyched, who have observed 232 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: in or interviewed him. It's pretty it's pretty circumstantial. Okay, Okay, 233 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: you think it's all. Yeah, it's pretty solid. I mean, uh, 234 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: at least the statements are solid. Now, whether or not 235 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: that is a sincere motivation, it's a little more difficult 236 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: to guess. But right now, the worry of self harm 237 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: and suicide I think has much more sand to it 238 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: than the legal charges against him in the US. That 239 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit computer hacking comes from like a line 240 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: about intent in a chat conversation with Manning, where in 241 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Assage says he's going to ask somebody else to try 242 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: to guess a password for an encrypted file and he 243 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: never Actually, it's not proven that he did it. It's 244 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: just proven that he in this comment said I will 245 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: try to I'll try to get someone to figure this 246 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: out for me. Uh So it does feel like this 247 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: is more I mean, keep in mind, this is an 248 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Australian national right being extradited from the UK to the US. Yes, 249 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: they're coziest kittens because they're part of five Eyes, but uh, 250 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that point to journalism is 251 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: really important here. And also, Matt, one thing you said 252 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: about being neuro atypical, there's a very similar case here 253 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: with Gary McKinnon. Remember that guy hacked into some of 254 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam's digital shoe boxes, claims he found evidence of 255 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials UFOs. Uh. He was also not extradited due to 256 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: similar concerns about his treatment in the US prison system. 257 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to of freak anybody out. Probably it 258 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: was nothing. I have this new chair that I got 259 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: was a gift for the holidays this year. It's just 260 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: an office chair. Something in this room just moved in 261 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: my chair, like physically pushed my chair. There's nobody in 262 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: this room, you guys. It was me with my mind. Dude, 263 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not joking. I know I'm saying it out 264 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: of nowhere, but that literally just happened. So take that 265 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: with you. Keep us on tabs here, Matt. Let us 266 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: know if you have any unusual movements. I've been having 267 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot of t k p K dreams recently too, 268 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: So I'm my lord with this. Yeah, just chime in 269 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: as we do. I'm not kidding. Same it begins. I 270 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: don't know what that t k p K oh telekinesis, uh, 271 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: and then uh, psychokinesis kind of two terms for the 272 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: same thing. I've never heard of. Put that way. Interesting. 273 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: So you've had predictive dreams, Ben, is that what you're saying, 274 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: like change that come to pass? That's a sensitive one. Uh, Well, 275 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: dreams where I'm moving stuff with my mind like Matt's 276 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: having the same. Uh so uh, Mandalorian episodes you guys 277 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: have been watching, right, Maybe maybe maybe that's it, um, 278 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: But we are going to pause here because that's that's 279 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: the news stands now. Of course, the US and Uncle 280 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: Sam are going to attempt to appeal this. They have to. Uh. 281 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: We predict that a change in administration in the US 282 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: is not going to change the course of this prosecution. Uh, 283 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: for the reasons we've outlined. There was one last thing, 284 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: a heartfelt plea um from Asanga's partner Stella Morris, which 285 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: is very quotable to one you don't want to stay. 286 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: And she says, uh, Mr President, tear down these prison walls. 287 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Let our little boys have their father, because they have 288 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: two little poys together. But that just it's just so quotable. 289 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: It's almost like Mr gorbach Off tad down this wall. 290 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's modeled to be that. I'm sure you 291 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: want to appeal to emotion because this is taking place 292 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: in two courts and I believe it's eighteen months he's 293 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: been incarcerated. Um, so it's not like, you know, he's 294 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: gotten off scott free. But he did, wasn't it he 295 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: who had some very unusual special treatment in his incarceration. 296 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: Was that well, it depends on whether you're talking about 297 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: when he was in the embassy. That was what it was. 298 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: That was what it was. So he wasn't incarcerated, I 299 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: mean stuck there, he was kicking it. He was basically 300 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: like a like a dorm's kind of situation. Almost sweet was. Yeah, 301 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: he was tough to get along with. He was being 302 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: kind of a bad housemate according to the reports. But 303 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: then again, it's really tough to parse some of that 304 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: because there was so much propaganda going into this on 305 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: either side. But we are going to keep you updated. 306 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep ourselves updated on the extradition hearings. And 307 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I would also say that if extradition is denied, it's 308 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: still not a done deal. Um. I don't want to 309 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: be alarmist, but I will say that accidents happen, and 310 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: we seem to be seen a lot of international accidents 311 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: occurring in the past year, in the past few months, 312 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: probably in too. We'll see more. And with that we're 313 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: going to pause for a word from our sponsor and 314 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: will return with more strange news. And we're back now. 315 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: We are taking a bit of a trip over to 316 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: the Middle East to hang out in Iran a little bit. 317 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: It's a country that has for a long time been 318 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: beset by adverse series too many rightly so, and too 319 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: many others. It is the last bastion that's set to 320 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: fight against the powers of the West. It's a very 321 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: interesting place. The history of Iran is fascinating and the 322 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: amount of learning and education that came out of that 323 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: country historically is amazing. Again, Ben Ben and Nolan I 324 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: have talked about the history of Iran for a long time, 325 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: and right now the tensions between Iran and the West 326 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: are heating up, and they have been for a little while. 327 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: We've talked about it briefly a little bit at the 328 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: end of last year and believe in December, maybe November, 329 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: um but right now Iran has gone back to enriching 330 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: its uranium supplies, and as of Monday, I believe it 331 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: was it was being reported that officially Iran has captured 332 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: a South Korean flagged oil tanker right near the Strait 333 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: of Horror, moves very important strategic part of the world 334 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: that again we've discussed before on this show. And these 335 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: are two pretty pretty big things then, and I'm gonna 336 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: look to you to kind of explore some of this 337 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: with me. But I know one of the largest dangers 338 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: at least that Western Powers talk about when it comes 339 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: to Iran is their potential to enrich uranium to create 340 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. And a lot of times the rhetoric that's 341 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: put forth is that a country like Iran, I'm doing quotations, 342 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: armed with nuclear weaponry is probably one of the most 343 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: dangerous things that could exist on the planet. Now you 344 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: can argue that point on either side. There's certainly a 345 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: history of dangerous activity, uh and nuclear weapons are certainly 346 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: horrifying and have potential to you know, erase humanity eventually 347 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: after they're used. The other thing here that's going on 348 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: is that the United States is posturing very very hard, 349 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: specifically the United States, but as well as other what 350 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: we would call Western countries the United States. In response, 351 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: he has decided to leave an aircraft carrier that has 352 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: been hanging out over there in the Middle East, um 353 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: for a long time. I think it's been since April 354 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: maybe of last year. It's been deployed the USS mimits. 355 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: It's been deployed in the area for a long time, 356 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: and the decision was just made to keep it stationed 357 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: where it has been stationed for a while as a 358 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: maneuver to again apply pressure to Iran as they're making 359 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: these other moves enriching uranium, taking an oil tanker captive essentially. 360 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: There of course other things that are occurring that are 361 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: not being reported in the news because they're probably being 362 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: monitored very closely through intelligence agencies on both sides. But 363 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: these are these are some of the most public facing 364 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: events that have occurred with regards to Ruan and Western 365 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Powers recently, and their position has always been that they 366 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: were doing this, you know, for energy purposes. Correct, and 367 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: this was all like meant to be peaceful and not 368 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: necessarily you know, in an act of aggression. And uh, 369 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: I know that Trump withdrew from an agreement with with 370 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Iran recently over kind of them sort of not following 371 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: the letter of it or at the very least the 372 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: spirit of it, and he just kind of like threw 373 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: his hands up and and uh exited the agreement. So 374 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: this is further escalation and and very clearly not just peaceful. Uh. 375 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: You know energy and you know the energy level enrichment 376 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: of uranium. Well, yes, it's dual use. That's the problem. 377 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: So it's like imagine, um, imagine that every microwave oven 378 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: you create is also a bomb and the only difference 379 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: is how far you turned the switch. That's a poor analogy, 380 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: but it's it's on the money there. So's it's just 381 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: how long you leave it in the centrifuges. Well, that's 382 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: what I mean that that number would be weapons grade 383 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have to go up. No, is that 384 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: is that not true? I think you're looking more in 385 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: the nineties right when you're talking about weapons grade uranium. Well, no, 386 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about like that number is relevant it 387 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: keeps coming up like there. You know, enriched uranium is 388 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: able to be used to create nuclear weapons, Isn't that correct? 389 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: Is it the same level of enrichment that would be 390 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: used to create nuclear energy. I you know, I'm not 391 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: a nuclear experiment, not an atomic scientist. However, that's not 392 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: even a thing, um, But I know weapons grade level 393 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: is enrichment. Yeah, So the terms of the deal restrict 394 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: Iranian enrichment of four point five percent. But it's really 395 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: a question of how long one lets the center few, 396 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: which is spin, which is why it's so dangerous. You 397 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: don't need other additional equipment, You just need more time. Uh. 398 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: And you just change the recipe, but you don't change 399 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: the kitchen, if that makes sense. So I want to 400 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: step back through some some very important points you brought 401 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: up here, Matt. First, UH, the problem with the Nimits 402 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: staying in the Middle East is that in a time 403 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: UH and a region with great instability, this signals one 404 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: of the worst things you can signal internationally, which is 405 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: intense domestic division. So from what we understand, there's deep 406 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: internal domestic division in the US. The military ordered the 407 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: Nimits away, but political forces in the US ordered it 408 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: to return due to well speculative concerns that would make 409 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: the current US administration appear weak. That's a quote. I'm 410 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: not saying that's right. I'm saying that's their opinion, that's 411 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: their logic and their calculus. So look at it from 412 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: the outside, look at it as a foreign observer. And 413 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: we have you know, we have a lot of conspiracy 414 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: realists listening to this show. In the Middle East. We 415 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: have a lot of people who are conspiracy realists. In 416 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf, we have a lot of Iranians who 417 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: listened to this show. And imagine how insane it must 418 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: seem to be dealing with this, uh, this country that 419 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: has been historically bellicoast to you and quite aggressive. And 420 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there are any good guys in this scenario, 421 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: by the way, but imagine, uh, you went out on 422 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: a limb, either sincerely or disingenuously, and said, Okay, we'll 423 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: do this trade deal, just get these sanctions off our 424 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: back because they're crippling innocent people, which is what sanctions 425 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: often do as a side effect. And then all of 426 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: a sudden, just a few years later, the people you 427 00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: went against everything you understood about history and trusted turned 428 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: out not to be trustworthy. You get from their perspective 429 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: that is what's happening. And so this this ship appears 430 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: to leave this aircraft carrier, which is a country destroyer. 431 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: By the way, these are big bruisers. Uh, this thing 432 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: one of what eleven that the US has. We have 433 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: the most in the world. It seems like it's leaving, 434 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: and the poles of you turn and it's a very 435 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: big wide you because these are very big wide vessels, 436 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: and then it just heads back to your neighborhood. Would 437 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: you freak out a little? I feel like that's understandable. 438 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: I would freak a look really quickly too. Sorry for 439 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: my own benefit here, Um, I was just looking it up. 440 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: In enrichment is considered weapons usable uranium, and it would 441 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: require a ton of it, uh, and it would be 442 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of unwieldy for designing a nuclear weapon. It would 443 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: need to be much more highly enriched to be able 444 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: to design like uh, you know, casing that would be 445 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: more easily deployable. But it is like the kind of 446 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: the minimum for being able to have this material'll be 447 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: used for nuclear weapons. So I guess that's why that's 448 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: the cut off. Well, you can make a hell of 449 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: a dirty bomb out of it. Also true, Um, well, 450 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: I kind of want to jump off what you're saying here, guys. 451 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: Remember also what happened within a year's time the United 452 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: States assassinated Solomon Solomani. Also, we just did an episode 453 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: about the Iranian scientist who was assassinated, who was one 454 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: of one of the pioneers of the nuclear program. There Um, 455 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: there have been a lot of actions taking place where 456 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: it feels like the walls are closing in a little 457 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: bit um and then you know, out on top of it, 458 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: pulling out of the deal that was struck there. It's 459 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: just things don't look good in my opinion. For one, 460 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to Iran and the United States. I wonder, Yeah, 461 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Matt, the if this were a 462 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: weather forecast, the weather forecast would be chance of storms 463 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: in the worst possible way. But I do want to 464 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: I do want to do a clarification and question for 465 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: the conspiracy realists in the crowd here. So from my understanding, 466 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm just remembering back to grad school stuff. From my understanding, uh, 467 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: enrichment is not is not practical. I think it's charitable 468 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: to call it weapons usable. The big issue is that 469 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: the most difficult part of the enrichment process. And again, 470 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: if I understand this correctly, if my c I A 471 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: spook professors were telling the truth that uh yeah, I 472 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: said it, uh, then the the enrichment process is most 473 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: difficult from zero to twenty. And once you get to 474 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: that number where you need it to get to something 475 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: you can make a warhead or a bomb from, it 476 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: can much easier, much much easier then, like you said, 477 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: right right, So from like step one zero, step two 478 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: is twenty is very difficult to get to step two, 479 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: but then step three is just like I'm stabbing my fingers. 480 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if that translates audio, but the but 481 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why, not for nothing, people who are 482 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: historically antagonistic toward Iran are saying this is proof positive 483 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: that they have decided to build weapons. I will also add, 484 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: without making any unfounded accusations, I will also add that 485 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the historical precedent is this, when countries say they are 486 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: researching nuclear weapons solely for peaceful purposes, they are lying. 487 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just lying to themselves, but they're they're lying 488 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: because the technology is there. You know what, I mean, 489 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: you're not gonna if things get dicey on down the road, 490 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: you're not gonna say, well, well, we can totally do this, 491 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: but we told ourselves we wouldn't, so ge Willakers. It's 492 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: like Frodo swore he would never put on the ring, 493 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: but he was compelled to do so because you know, 494 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: it was just drawn to it. And that's a stupid analogy, 495 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: but it's like, it's it's literally like, once you get 496 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: to the edge of that power, why not just take 497 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: another step? You know, especially if it levels you up 498 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and and and and puts you on a new playing field. 499 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: You know among people that that mean to do you 500 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: harm or at the very least undermine you as a 501 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: sovereign nation. And once you reach that point, once you 502 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: reach the nuclear weapon finish line, then you enter a 503 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: new realm. You enter a new level in the hierarchy 504 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: of states and governments. Uh, consider this. You know, North 505 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: Korea doesn't even have a perfect nuclear weapon, they just 506 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: have the nuclear capacity. And it changed the way they 507 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: were negotiated with South Africa walked away from its nuclear 508 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: program officially. At least Libya voluntarily stepped off the path 509 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: to becoming a nuclear state. And you know, for many dictators, 510 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: what happened to get off the after that is a 511 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: lesson they have not and we'll not forget. So you 512 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: can see why countries that have antagonistic relationships with their 513 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: neighbors or with the world superpowers feel like that risky 514 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: finish line may not just be worth it, but it 515 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: may be imperative to their continued existence. Again, we're not 516 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: arguing that any of these things are right. We're just 517 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: trying to explain the perspectives that the various players here have. 518 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: If you're the government of Saudi Arabia, if you're the 519 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: government of Israel, the last thing you want is a 520 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: nuclear capable Iran, Like that is the last thing. You 521 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: would be so against a nuclear Iran that you would, uh, 522 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: you would choose almost any alternative. And I was trying 523 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: to think of something with some levity, but I don't 524 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: know if it's really a time to have levity right now. 525 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: This is deep water, well it is. And remember Iran 526 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: is under heavy sanctions. A ton of their assets are 527 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: frozen across the world in different place is including in 528 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: South Korea, which is which has something to do with 529 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: why that tanker was taken into custody. Let's say, did 530 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: you see the claim that they were polluting the the 531 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: the straight or the body of water there, and that's 532 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: what what they use as an excuse for having taken it. Sure, 533 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: but it's known that billions of dollars are frozen in 534 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: in Soul right now, and they were they were actually 535 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: there was going to be a representative from South Korea, 536 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: like a diplomat who was supposedly traveling there to Iran 537 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: to discuss those funds and what would happen to them. Um, 538 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna actually occur there. But all of 539 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: this stuff is pretty terribly frightening. I wanted to I 540 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: have an ulterior motive, guys. One of the main reasons 541 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this up was to mention the Nimits. 542 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember what the Nimits was involved with 543 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: the us S Nimits? Remember remember that UFO video the 544 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Nimits incident where the fighter pilots saw the very strange 545 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: thing and they got leaked. And then what is it 546 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: for the Stars Academy, the first one that everyone was 547 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: like freaking out about. Ella Songo left to the Stars. 548 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, I didn't hear about that, Yeah, 549 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: I'd relate it, but I like where you're going here 550 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: with this man. All right, Well that's the pilots, right, 551 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: there's audio from them saying, what the hell is that 552 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: is that the one? Yes, I think this is the 553 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: tic TAC one. Correct me if I'm wrong listeners out there, 554 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: But this is this is one where these pilots in 555 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: two thousand four were they were operating from the USS 556 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: and limits when they encountered whatever that thing was in 557 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: the air that they encountered. I just thought that was fascinating, 558 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: and I ended up going down a pretty pretty deep 559 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: rabbit hole about just how many Navy encounters have come 560 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: from being over just international waters in the ocean and 561 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: and fighter pilots and home, my goodness, and even stuff 562 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: that isn't well documented, but just the stories that are 563 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: out there, and whether or not they're folklore or have 564 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: some kind of true grit to them, it is fun 565 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: to read and I would recommend it. So, yeah, I 566 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: just wanted to bring that up because I found it interesting. 567 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: Of course that as an aircraft carrier it deploys jets 568 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: all the time for all kinds of different maneuvers, you know, 569 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: for training, exercises as well as for operations. Only a 570 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: small percentage of those encounter any kind of unidentified objects. 571 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: I just think the nimits itself. I don't know, being 572 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: there for some reason it puts weird pieces together for 573 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: me personally. We also have to consider the US administration 574 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: recently has had some troubling internal talks about escalating the 575 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: situation into a hot or I'll be honest, not because 576 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: of what I would argue are sincere worries about the 577 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: state of affairs in that part of the globe. I 578 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: think they are meant to shore up domestic support here 579 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: in the US, which is a terrible reason to start 580 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: a war, you know what I mean, because it's saying 581 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: it's just callous. Uh. There's also the idea, hey, Matt, 582 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: maybe the entire uh, maybe the entire reason that the 583 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: West has been trying to uh turn ran back into 584 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: a puppet state for so long, because remember it was 585 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: until the seventies, thinks the US was Maybe the reason 586 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to turn it back into a puppet state 587 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: is to acquire something ancient thing hidden in the ground 588 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: from the days of ancient and Persia. You guys. A 589 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: voicemail from somebody that I don't think I can name 590 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: right now, but from somebody who told us a story 591 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: about the invasion of Iraq. Oh, yeah, it was the 592 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: It was the second time. It wasn't you know, desert 593 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: storm and the Iraqi War with you know, with Kuwait 594 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: and all of that situation. This was two thousand three 595 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: when the United States invaded Iraq for the second time. 596 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: Second of the museum, right exacting the museum, but also 597 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: and also the story that this person told us was 598 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: about a UFO crash in Iraq. That that was the 599 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: reason we went back into Iraq specifically for this one 600 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: UFO because allegedly the United States and other Western powers 601 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: were nervous that that extraterrestrial technology would get in the 602 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: hands of an adversary. Ah And I love that stuff. 603 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't believe it necessarily, but I love it like 604 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: at tag that necessarily I had. I wrote a story 605 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: that was entirely fictional in my head. But was that scenario? 606 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: What if the ulterior motive for invading various Middle Eastern 607 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: countries are Rock in particular, was not some kind of 608 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: geopolitical resource extraction control move. What if it was to 609 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: retrieve some ancient artifact. And so I have a story 610 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: about the museum of the sacking of the Rock Museum 611 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: before I realized it was real, and then in the 612 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: future I do a little more research before I write fiction. 613 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: But I love the idea of a good sacking, you know, 614 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: But how come we don't refer to people getting fired 615 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: as being sacked. What they do in the UK or 616 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: is like, you know, conquering something sacking and it's it's 617 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: it's such a classy term. Oh. I think they call 618 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: it redundancy in the UK now, But if you get 619 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: sacked that means you got fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no whatever. 620 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: Outside of rugby, no one ever gets sacked in a 621 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: good way. There's a football thing too, write Isn't that 622 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: what they call it? A sack? Quarterback sack? Maybe I 623 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: made that up. I don't know. Uh, Matt, you really 624 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: drew some interesting lines with this one that I was. 625 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: I was not expecting it to go there. Let's let's 626 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: of food for thought, and then I'm definitely a story 627 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: to watch. Well, if if extra terrestrials were real, we're 628 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: visiting our planet for some reason, wouldn't it make sense 629 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: if they were monitoring perhaps what would be considered World 630 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: War three if it broke out, especially with nuclear weapons, 631 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: especially if you need us to harvest us for something, 632 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: or if they need, you know, not an entirely scorched 633 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: planet so they can get some use out of it. 634 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: And for the record, since at least two thousand and three, 635 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: the government of Iran has consistently maintained that it has 636 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: no intention to develop nuclear weapons. Just want to give 637 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: their official statement there to be fair, I would love 638 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: to hear from our listeners in Iran in the region. 639 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: Want to hear your take on this. What what do 640 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: you think is going on? What is behind the move 641 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: to increase the enrichment percentage? Yeah, thank you for listening. 642 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: We'll be We'll be right back, and we're back with 643 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: one last strange news story. And this is that silver 644 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: lining story that Ben was talking about at the top 645 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: of the show. After a little bit of doom and gloom, 646 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: they admittedly went to two aliens for a bit, but 647 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: then we pivoted back to scorched earth alien scenarios. But 648 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: you know what, two things people really like our one 649 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: is ice cream and two is not being afflicted with 650 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: the deadly virus UH. And it turns out there's some 651 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: crossover between those two things. Do you are you guys 652 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: aware of the novelty ice cream company Dippin Dots estimate? Yeah, 653 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: my personal favorite flavor of theirs, this banana split. Um. 654 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: It turns out they actually have some pretty advanced technology 655 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: that they use to create those those dippin dots, which 656 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: if any one isn't aware, they're basically like these little 657 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: tiny spheres of ice cream and they're different flavors, so 658 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: like they're you know, with the banana split one. I 659 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: think that it's like chocolate ones, a little little chocolate 660 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: ice cream ones and they're tiny, and uh, the banana ones. 661 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: In between the two, you get banana split and then 662 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: you can mix and match your flavors. It's a whole thing. 663 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: It's a delight. You see them at zoos and you know, 664 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: um amusement parks and things. They have little trolleys that 665 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: they serve them outside. But it turns out they have 666 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: a really impressive um production chain that they've figured out 667 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: how to scale really really well, and they deliver something 668 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of a hundred million servings of Dippin 669 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: Dots every year. Um. And one thing they've managed to 670 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to do is regular freezers only keep 671 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: things cold down to like zero degrees, whereas the dipping 672 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: dots freezers and the manufacturing process UM keep them cold 673 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: down to minus forty nine degrees fahrenheit. Uh. They have 674 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: builled themselves as the ice cream of the future, UM 675 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of since since and then they were invented 676 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: by a microbiologist. I didn't know any of this, UM, 677 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: but well we we know from everything that's been going 678 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: on in the news with the vaccine, all good news, 679 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: all very effective vaccines being created. There's sort of a 680 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: space race going on between these different manufacturers, but it 681 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: turns out we need them all because we got a 682 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: lot of people to vaccinate. Well, the first one to 683 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: market was from fiser Biontic and UM there's has sort 684 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: of a little bit of an Achilles heel. It needs 685 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: to be stored at minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit or 686 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: else certain components in the vaccine can actually degrade and 687 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: cause it to be in effective. UM. And it also 688 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: has to be manufactured and then shipped all over the place, 689 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: all over the country at the very least UM and 690 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, eventually all over the world. Uh. So no, 691 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: do you say minus ninety four degrees? Yeah, needs to 692 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: be stored at minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit. And really 693 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: quickly to double back when I said that the Dipping 694 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: DUTs machines are the dippen ducts, freezers, Uh go down 695 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: to minus forty nine that is the minimum that the 696 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: ice cream is requires to stay in that beated form. There, 697 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: freezers actually go down much lower than that. I think 698 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: they go down to like minus a hundred or or lower. Uh. 699 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: And then again that fiser vaccine has to be maintained 700 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: at minus ninety four degrees fahrenheit or else it becomes useless. Um. 701 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is essentially a technology that is not 702 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: available at scale in this way because it's just no, 703 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,479 Speaker 1: aside from this ice cream company, there aren't very many 704 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: products or pharmaceutical um, you know, pharmaceuticals that require storage 705 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: at that level of cold. But it turns out that 706 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, um, Dipping Dots has been at this for 707 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: a long time and they've created this supply chain that 708 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: they referred to as a cold chain infrastructure that standardizes. 709 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: According to a really great article from Popular Science, UH 710 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: standardizes every step of the process from manufacturing to packaging 711 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: to shipment in this entire single long chain and distribution 712 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: all of that. So, uh, it turns out that they've 713 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: got a lot to offer, um Fiser in terms of 714 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: like what they can learn and how they can maybe 715 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: even lease or buy some of their freezers in order 716 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: to like, you know, help spread the vaccine around, because, 717 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 1: like I said, standard freezers bottomo ount is zero degrees fahrenheit, 718 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: which isn't gonna do the trick. So let's talk a 719 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: little bit about how these lovely, delightful novelty ice cream 720 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: dots are made. You might have had them at your 721 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: local science center, perhaps an aquarium or of some sort. Um. So, 722 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: dipping dots get their little bead like shape from this 723 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: process called pelletizing. Um. So, the ingredients that go into 724 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: making ice cream, which is milk and sugar and the 725 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,479 Speaker 1: flavorings and all that, they're mixed together and then drip 726 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: drip dripped into this chamber and brought to minus twenty 727 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. And that's done with liquid nitrogen. So it's 728 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 1: so cold that the droplets freeze in place immediately into 729 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: these little beads. They kind of look like little packing 730 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: beads or something. Like that are the kind of beads 731 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: like in silica gel pouches there. That's that's about the 732 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: size of them and about the shape. UM. And then 733 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: they move into a minus forty degree fahrenheit freezer. Uh 734 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: that is like designed very specially so that it like 735 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: limits heat exchange significantly, and then it goes through quality 736 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: check and then the ice cream goes into these cute 737 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: little pouches or what. Yeah, they're kind of pouches. They're 738 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: a little like, yeah, they are pouches. You kind of 739 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: like can squeeze them out and that's when they're shipped. 740 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: So we've talked about this in the past too, just 741 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: the idea of like medical packaging. It's a very specialized field, 742 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: Like there's all kinds of interesting innovations that have to 743 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: go into packaging for pharmaceuticals that wouldn't go into packaging 744 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: for any other kind of consumable product. UM. So Fiser 745 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: already has somewhat of a system where they use these 746 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: pizza trays they call them UM that they used for 747 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: shipping doses of the vaccine. Each one of them gets 748 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: loaded up with a hundred vials of the frozen vaccine 749 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: UM and this is coming from a Julie Swan who's 750 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: a health system's expert in North Carolina State University. Um, 751 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: so apparently a minimum order is a thousand doses. So 752 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: that's like how they're kind of bundled up. So the 753 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: goal is to vaccine as many people as humanly possible, 754 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: um and and say, and not have any doses go 755 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: to waste. So she had this to say in the 756 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: pop side article, uh quote, they probably designed it with 757 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: the idea that someone would take out an entire tray 758 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,479 Speaker 1: at a time, and for a mass vaccination clinic. That's great. 759 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's harder when we're trying to vaccinate priority 760 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: populations and they're all spread out. So enter Dipping Dots 761 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: um to kind of help them learn how to solve 762 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: this problem. Um, they're still going to use the pizza trays. 763 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: And the chief development officer for Dippin Dots, a guy 764 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: named Stan Jones, talks about in the article how they 765 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're able to kind of bring this process 766 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 1: to a massive, massive scale, like I said, shipping around 767 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: a hundred million servings across the entire planet. So he 768 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: is now working directly with folks from Fiser and figuring 769 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: out how they can integrate this technology into distributing the vaccine. 770 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's delightful. It's really interesting how what 771 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 1: I would consider sort of a goofy novelty ice cream 772 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: thing that I very rarely think of, has this technology 773 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: that's like borderline proprietary. But no one else is quite cracked. 774 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are other like, you know, 775 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: very low temperature free. It's not like they are the 776 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 1: only ones that know how to like get temperatures this slow, 777 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: but they have it built into this incredible supply chain. Um. 778 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: I just think it's a really interesting, uh example of 779 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: like teamwork kind of I don't know, at the very least, 780 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: what do you guys think, Yeah, it's really cool. I 781 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: kind of just want them to go all the way 782 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: to have fiser, you know, really truly get together with 783 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: dipping dots and get those carts just full of vaccines 784 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: and just roll around, you know, just every city vaccinating everybody. Yeah, 785 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: that's not scary. Well, because we were we were a 786 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: little bit um naive in our previous estimations about COVID 787 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: nineteen corruption and counterfeiting and people jumping the proverbial line. 788 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: It turns out that things have been bungled so profoundly. 789 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: The vaccines are expiring and going bad, so dipping dots 790 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: could really hop in and help out here. I also 791 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: think it's funny. I enjoy this. I tie him is 792 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 1: so funny. I don't know who will remember this. Uh, 793 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: but years back it emerged that one of the press 794 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: secretaries of the current administration, you know these, There were 795 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: tons of these over the past four years. They kept 796 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: getting fired. Spicer, a guy named Sean Spicer, had a ongoing, 797 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: very odd, maybe not totally serious feud with dippin dots. 798 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: Way back on April eighth, two thousand ten, he wrote, 799 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: dipping dots is capital not the ice cream of the future, 800 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: and he continued like finding reasons to talk trash about 801 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: dipping dots. As Michael Scott said in the office, how 802 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: the turntables, Scott, how do you like those dots now? 803 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: I always felt people were unfair to dipping dots. I 804 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: immensely enjoy the novelty. I don't think there's anything wrong 805 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: with enjoying a shape of a dessert or a treat. 806 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: If you like fruit by the foot, or you prefer 807 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: fruit loops, then god speed and more power. To you. UH. 808 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: This this also I hope, I do hope that this 809 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: goes better than the ill faded um Kodak vaccine assistance 810 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 1: because a while back, in the early days of the 811 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: of the what history will call the first pandemic of 812 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: this uh this decade. UH, a while back, our government 813 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: gave a seven hundred and sixty five million dollar loan 814 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: to Kodak with the idea that they would be able 815 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: to use some of their chemical know how to produce 816 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: critical ingredients for COVID nineteen treatments. That turned out not 817 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: to be the case. But Dipping dots is already using 818 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: technology that they have. They've established it. It's reliable, it's reproducible, 819 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: it's scalable. So good on you, dipping dots. I look, 820 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: I look forward to this. I completely agree it is 821 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,800 Speaker 1: very good on dipon dots. And there are a few 822 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: little wrinkles, uh, one of which is that these freezers 823 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: they are really only looking to be leased because you know, 824 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: once the vaccine cycle is over, I mean, the government 825 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: or fiser or whomever doesn't want to have like a 826 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,240 Speaker 1: gazillion of these super low temperature freezers that they're stuck 827 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,240 Speaker 1: with and don't know what to do with Also, according 828 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: to Jones, from Dipping Dots, you can't really return them 829 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: back to production, uh in terms of like putting food 830 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: stuffs back in them once you've stored these medical supplies 831 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: in them. So it's a little bit tricky. There's also 832 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: the issue of of paying for it, right because these 833 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: vaccines are going to be free and they're gonna be distributed, 834 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: and the money has to come from somewhere, so you know, 835 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: I mean, like Dipping Dots obviously wants to help, but 836 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: they can't sacrifice their entire fleet of freezers and go 837 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: under without some compensation. So it's ultimately going to be 838 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: passed on somewhere, whether it's in the loss of other 839 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: programs or however that that money is gonna get soaked up. 840 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: But uh, really interesting store and one that I'm surprised 841 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: hasn't hasn't been been a little bit more top of 842 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: mind for folks. This is from a week or so ago, um, 843 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: and I haven't heard any like new details as to 844 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 1: what are they doing. Are they moving forward with it? 845 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: Because I know that the rollout has been pretty troubled, um, 846 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: so maybe they haven't quite gotten to this step yet um, 847 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: but it'll be interesting to see if Dipping Dots does 848 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: end up being the hero that we all maybe we 849 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: we didn't know we we needed, but we definitely deserve. 850 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm getting dessert. Okay, I'm done. 851 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,439 Speaker 1: This is brilliant. I wonder how many times the trademarked 852 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: name dippin Dots has been said on air across the 853 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,320 Speaker 1: news over the past couple of days. It's a good point. 854 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: I mean, how many times dipping said in today's Well 855 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: it's fun to say. I mean, I'm not gonna dipping dots, 856 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,479 Speaker 1: dipping dots, dipping dots. It's fund Did you guys see 857 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 1: the recent video that came out with about Velcrow, the 858 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: the brand name Velcrow. There is a fantastic video you 859 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,800 Speaker 1: can find online of I believe they are patent attorneys 860 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: or maybe they're just attorneys who you know, control the 861 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 1: patent of Velcro, the trademarked name trademark. Well, and it's 862 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: about how if we, as you know, humanity, continue to 863 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: refer to the hook what is it hook and loop 864 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,879 Speaker 1: technology as Velcro, they will lose their patent, lose their 865 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: their trademarks patent because it would then just be a 866 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: generic thing. Velker would be the generic name. They can 867 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 1: no longer make billions of dollars or whatever on that 868 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: trademark for all these other companies using the technology. I 869 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it reminds me of this what 870 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about is was sometimes called a proprietary eponym, 871 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 1: the generic sized trademark. Like when people, often people in 872 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: the West, say Google when they mean Internet search, or 873 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: Rocks when they mean to make a copy, right right. 874 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: That's a good example too. So it might be a 875 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: situation where not too long from now, people say they 876 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: got the dipping dot and they're referring to the little 877 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,600 Speaker 1: mark of the injection point of their vaccine. I have 878 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,359 Speaker 1: to say that's a really good point then. But I 879 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: do think it's funny that, like since nineteen eight, no 880 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: one else has tried to copy dipping dots in terms 881 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: of like there's like many there's a company. Oh my god, 882 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. Mini something. Uh yeah, 883 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:37,839 Speaker 1: you know, like uh, Duncan dabs. They're a specific type 884 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: of thing made by Dunkin Donuts, available only in California 885 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 1: in Colorado. Holy cow. I just googled it and and 886 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: there's a. There's a page on Reddit called crappy off brands. 887 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: Uh and and one of them is called its e bits. 888 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: There you go, little bits. There's different ones we have, 889 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 1: but okay, to to be fair, still not ubiquitous, not 890 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: with great success. Let us say, because I've always thought 891 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: of dipping dots is pretty niche. But a hundred million 892 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: servings a year that's pretty pretty high. Well yeah, and 893 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: then also what's a serving? Because are they cooking the books? 894 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: Because one dot is not a serf. I don't mean 895 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: to sound like a glutton here, but you gotta get 896 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: at least a cup. I didn't know this, but you know. 897 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,360 Speaker 1: Another example of proprietary eponyms would be Dumpster. Dumpster is 898 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: a brand name, you guys, or Porta Potti. I bet 899 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: Porta Potti is a brand as well. I can't almost guarantee. Yeah. 900 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: Like the real name for Dumpster, it was is like 901 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: a patented thing made by some people called the Dempster 902 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: Brothers back in nineteen thirty six. We're supposed to call 903 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: the mobile garbage bins. So everybody listening to the show, 904 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: be cool, don't get our don't get the rest of 905 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,040 Speaker 1: us sued. It's a mobile garbage bin. If you're around 906 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: the nark when you get a cut, put on a plaster. 907 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: Let's let's go to the UK way there. Well, what 908 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: when you need bleach use bleach, isn't that's that's an 909 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 1: okay thing to say. Don't call it the C word. 910 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: It's tissue, not a kleenex itty bits. Just kidding, I'm 911 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: just kidding. Please, I don't want to be I don't 912 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: want to be that way. If you use these words 913 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: as just regular terminology, then some big company doesn't make 914 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 1: a ton of money. And it's just to confirm Porter 915 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: Potty is a brand. The official name for that is 916 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: Chemical toilet Sexy Sexy. That's also the name of a band, 917 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 1: Next Starts and Always Sunny started so much Today, I've got, okay, 918 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 1: what anecdote that might be interesting to the long time, 919 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: long time how stuff works people. Back in the day, 920 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: several of us did a show called Stuff of Genius, 921 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: and we actually ran into something like this. I can't 922 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: remember if we tried to do us with dipping dots, 923 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: but we ran into legal issues with things that you 924 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: would think we're very innocuous, like frisbee and trampoline. In particular. 925 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: You have to call them the flying disc and I 926 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: think we couldn't even make the trampoline episode. Hopefully whatever 927 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: statute a lot online videos is past now that we 928 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 1: could say that. But good on you, dipping dots. That's awesome. 929 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing Thank you for bringing some light 930 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: to the end of this dark segment. And then one 931 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,920 Speaker 1: last thing in this Reddit page, Crappy off brands, Um, 932 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: there's a whole segment on dipping dots and it's bits 933 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: and someone jokes that itsy bits uh tagline should be 934 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: the ice Cream of the time. That happens after Now, 935 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,640 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. After this, it's not quite as sexy as 936 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 1: the ice Cream of the Future, but hopefully Sean Spicer 937 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: would approve. But yeah, that was funny, guys. I'm glad 938 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: we got to end on on a little bit of 939 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: uh is this atomology? I don't know, kind of not 940 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: really more like brand brand demology, but a good time 941 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: just the same, and we hope you enjoyed this as well. 942 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: Thank you as always to everybody who is tuning in. 943 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. Are dipping dots the 944 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 1: ice cream of the future, Where do you stand? Let 945 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: us know, what do you think is actually happening over 946 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: in Iran? What are the ulterior motives? And of course 947 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you, whatever your neck of 948 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: the Global Woods is. We particularly like to hear from 949 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: our listeners who have lived in Iran or are there now, 950 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: and of course also Osage, what do you think is 951 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen? Do you think you will manage to stay 952 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,959 Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom? Do you think you will ever 953 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: see Australia again? Do you think he wants to? Uh, 954 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 1: we'd like to hear from you. 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