1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirty three of Hurdle, a podcast that 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: talks to everyone from top CEOs to entrepreneurs about how 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: they got through tough times hurdles of sorts by leading 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: in to wellness. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: I am Emily a. 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Body, It's Christmas Eve, I'm surrounded by diff rap on 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: the floor of my apartment, and I am so excited 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: to bring you this week's episode with photographer Mark Hunter, 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: otherwise known as. 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: The Cobra Snake, also described by Vice in twenty. 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Fifteen as the hipster Richard Simmons. 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We tackled a flybeall class together, 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: since the best rendezvous start with a little bit of sweat, 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: and then sat down and had a chat at his 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Cobra shop in Hollywood, and our talk was a long 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: time coming too. Mark and I met a couple of 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: years ago at an A six event in Los Angeles, 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: and I was so enamored by his whole shick, in 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: his personality and his crazy outfits and of course his story. 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: In his early twenties, Mark was a. 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Thriving popular photographer, a fixture in the LA and New 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: York party scenes, traveling all over the country and the 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: world with big names like Kings of Leon and good 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: friend Steve Aoki, known for his wacky outfits and great aesthetic. 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: Everything changed, remark when Instagram became a thing. With social media, 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: everyone's a photographer in their own right. Our Hurdle moment 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: without a doubt. Mark knew he needed a pivot if 45 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: you wanted to stay relevant and continue to build his brand, 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: So he stopped going to so many parties. He began 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: advertising free group hikes at a new Instagram account, Copra 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: Fitness Club, and while now he's making friends and having 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: fun doing it, getting fitter each day in the process. 50 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Let me tell you Mark's hilarious and he has some 51 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: epic stories ahead. As always Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, at Hurdle Podcast, 52 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abody. Shoot me an email Emily 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: at hurdle dot us to say hi or share a 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Hurdle moment of your own. Quick little spoiler, a teaser 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: if you will. Next week's episode of Hurdle is really 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: special to me. It's going to be just me talking 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: about some of the highlights and lessons that I learned 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, which was also now the first full 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: year of Herdle. Wow, it's crazy to say that. It's 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: crazy to think of all the amazing opportunities I've had 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: this year with the pod and all the outstanding awesome 62 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: things to come. So I'll see you then. Happy holidays, guys. 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Let's get to Heeartling. Today, I'm sitting here with Mark 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: the Cobra Snake Hunter in Los Angeles. We're here in 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: Right now, Hollywood. 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: Inside the Cobra Shop. 68 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to like a tray of butterfly clips, 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: which is pretty vintage. 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: And you know, there might be a little more noise. 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Than the typical podcast, but we're just going to work 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: with it because that's what we do here. 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: So I was so drawn to Mark when. 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: We met a year ago because he started to tell 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: me a story about how he got mega interested in fitness. 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: When I asked Mark how I should describe him for 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: the purposes of this podcast, he told me to say 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: that he's a true millennial renaissance man. I would say 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: that most people would describe you as a photographer. 80 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean most people know me as a photographer. 81 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 4: But then I was recently coined the hipster Richard Simmons. 82 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: Because what I do with fitness is I make it fun. 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 4: We might not have the fastest time, but we're gonna 84 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: have the best time. I like that, you know, And 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 4: I think the thing that I do is I can't 86 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 4: have one focus. So on one day I'm here in 87 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: my store in Hollywood, and I'm making sure that's running, 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: and then the next day I'm hiking up a mountain, 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: and the next day I'm on a photo shoot. So 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: I keep myself constantly inspired and busy with many different tasks. 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: I think that's great, though, because people often ask me 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: what the thing is that I like the most about 93 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: being freelance versus obviously being an editor at a magazine 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: or some sort of brand. And what I love is 95 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 1: that none of my days. 96 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 4: Are totally I mean, I'm so add that I literally 97 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: probably will like lose my train of thought on this podcast. 98 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: The whole thing is, it's just that I was never 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: very conventional growing up, and I don't think I could 100 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: ever sit at a desk for longer than an hour. 101 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, writing emails is probably the hardest 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: part of my day. 103 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: So let's backtrack a little bit because I really want to. Also, 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like it's important to note that this 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: podcast has probably been a year in the making. 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: I've been like, when are you come into New York? 107 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: When am I coming to LA You. 108 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: Got this really fancy microphone where we can record anywhere now, 109 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: and it's gonna sound amazing. 110 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna sound amazing. So I'm just really am just 111 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: sit down with you. So why don't you tell me 112 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about your background. I know you grew 113 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: up in the Santa Monica area. 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was born and raised in LA 115 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: which is kind of crazy. You know, most people move 116 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: here with big hopes and dreams, but this is kind 117 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: of where I grew up, and that's really what shaped 118 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: me into the crazy dude that I am. I was. 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: I was around celebrities at a young age, just being 120 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 4: in Hollywood, and when I wanted to start taking photos, 121 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: it wasn't so much to document celebrities, but it was 122 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: to document the culture that was here. And it just 123 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 4: so happened that I ended up at the best parties 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: at the right time. And this was all around that 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: time of you know, Lindsay Lohan in the club and 126 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 4: Para Siltan in the club, and I was in the 127 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: club and I wasn't the paparazzi. I was getting photos 128 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 4: of them like actually having fun before Instagram. 129 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about like how 130 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: one really gets to be in that position, because it's 131 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: like when you first picked up a camera where you 132 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: like I'm pretty good at taking these photos. And also 133 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: just I feel like an important background mark on Instagram 134 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: is at the Cobra Snake and if you go there, 135 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: you'll see that he's got about one hundred thousand followers. 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 4: And I'm verified, which I'm blessed. You know, that's like, 137 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: that's like gold in twenty eighteen. 138 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: It is, It's instant gold. 139 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I mean I would say that I 140 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: was I have a really good positive energy, and I 141 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: think that goes a long way, especially with photography, because 142 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 4: when I was shooting those photos in these parties, I 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: wasn't there trying to make people look bad. I was 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: really glamorizing what was going on and supporting it. And 145 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: it was pre Instagram, so you didn't have a place 146 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: to see these photos besides like on my blog. And 147 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 4: so people really took to that because somebody said it 148 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: was like visual popcorn or potato chips. You just couldn't 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: get enough. And that's sort of what Instagram has become. 150 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Right, right, And so what were you using to blog 151 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: at that time? 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 4: I literally built a website on dream Weaver, which was 153 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: like a nerdy program, and the whole thing was that 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: I didn't want to rely on anybody else, So like 155 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: I learned the most basic coding and how to do 156 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 4: the layouts on there and did it all myself. And 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: I really owe a lot to Shepherd Ferry, who was 158 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: my first real boss. He's famous for Obey and the 159 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: Obama poster and you know, his whole sort of motto 160 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: and just drive of working around a NonStop was really 161 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: inspiring for me. And for two years I was his 162 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: assistant and I learned so much. 163 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: From him, and it was kind of stuff were you 164 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: doing for him? 165 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: I mean everything from literally going out and putting the 166 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: posters up with him at three in the morning, yeah, 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: traveling and helping him with his art shows, organizing his 168 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 4: record collection. You know, I learned so much about culture 169 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: just from hanging out with him, and that's when I 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: started bringing my camera out and that's when those photos 171 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: started developing. 172 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, there's like automatic barrier of entry 173 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: to like, I mean, Instagram makes being a photographer like 174 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: anyone can be a photographer. I think you and I 175 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about this, but it's to 176 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: be a like a class photographer. There's a little bit 177 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: of a barrier and entry because what kind of camera 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: were you using, Like they're not inexpensive. 179 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean at the time, it was all 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: about like having a good SLR that you know you 181 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: can shoot with. But the whole thing was not only that, 182 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 4: it was the consistency. And I posted the photos the 183 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: same night. Every night, I'd stay up all night and 184 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: get them on the online so people could see them 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: the next day. And that's what really made me successful 186 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 4: because I would go to New York as this like 187 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: goofy eighteen year old and shoot the hottest club and 188 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: people like, why are you in here taking photos? Because 189 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: this again, smartphones didn't exist, so people weren't used to 190 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: having their photo taken at the parties. And when they 191 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: saw the photos the next day, they fully understood what 192 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: I was doing and invited me to ten other parties. Yeah, 193 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: and so it was this snowball effect. And again pre 194 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 4: it was literally text messages and random emails with like 195 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: magazine editors saying, oh, come shoot this, or there's a 196 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: launch for some clothing brand I'd never heard of that 197 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: turned out to be some really buzz thing. 198 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, how were you paying to fly from point A 199 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: to point B? And when people were saying do you 200 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: come do this party? Were they like, and we'll pay 201 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: you x y Z. 202 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: So in the beginning, I paid to do it. So 203 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: like if I was into a band, I bought a 204 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: concert ticket and I snuck my camera and I didn't 205 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: have access, and I took great photos, literally getting messages 206 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: from that band saying come shoot our next show and 207 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: we'll take you backstage, like flipped like instantly, and I 208 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: literally like the yea yea yeahs when they were first starting, 209 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: like Kings of Leon, like all these bands, but in 210 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: their early days. You know, this was when they were 211 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: playing at the Troubadour, which is like the I don't know, 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: the Bowery. 213 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: Or something smaller, smaller venues. 214 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 4: And I think and then I was just really resourceful. 215 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: Did I ever stay in a hotel? No. I slept 216 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: on people's couches, I slept on people's floors. I roughed it. 217 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: I was punk rock about it because I just believed 218 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: what I was doing was special and I really wanted 219 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: to put my my all into it. And did I 220 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: take a taxi into the city of New York. No, 221 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 4: I rode the AirTrain, you know, seven dollars. It was amazing. 222 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: I don't know how many times I rode that AirTrain 223 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: back and forth from JFK. 224 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that's like what your parents tell you 225 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do when you're like young and scrappy. 226 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: They're like, don't take the cab, Like take the subway, 227 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: do whatever you gotta do, and all the kids are like, 228 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: I think I know better, Like I'm just gonna hop 229 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the cab. 230 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. And did I pay for expensive drinks. No. I 231 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: always got drinks if I wanted drinks from the clubs. 232 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: Like I was able to be as resourceful as possible. 233 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: So when you were starting out, when was like the 234 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: moment that you kind of started to realize that what 235 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: you were doing was really picking up traction. 236 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 4: I would say, you know, I was a good year 237 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 4: into doing this with my blog, and I got written 238 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: up in the New York Times, and I showed that 239 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 4: to my parents and they couldn't believe it. I was 240 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 4: maybe nineteen at the time, but it was just mind 241 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: blowing to see, like with about a year under my belt, 242 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 4: that I was getting some great notoriety. And then shortly 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 4: after that it was pre recession, pre two thousand and eight, 244 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 4: and people were spending money on stuff. There would be 245 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: events for the launch of the new T mobile Sidekick, 246 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: or there would be a party for some vodka brand, 247 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 4: and they just had money to spend, and so I 248 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: was getting paid like a DJ would. I was like 249 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: a rock star photographer where I had to be at 250 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: the event, and so there was decent budgets for me, 251 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: and I said, Wow, I'm actually getting a true value 252 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: of my work. And at the time, my website had 253 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 4: huge reach and so everything sort of just went into 254 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: a really strong flow, and you know, this snowball effect 255 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: started happening, and said, oh, you got to have Cob 256 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: Snake at your event. It's so much fun. These photos 257 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: will spread through the internet. You know, it was a 258 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: necessary thing at the time. 259 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: Did you feel when you started to get to this 260 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: level that your ego was growing a little bit or 261 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: did you feel like you were able to keep it 262 00:12:59,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: in check. 263 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 4: I mean I was definitely grounded. I was young for 264 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 4: all the success, right, and I was smart about it, 265 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: so like I didn't blow all the money you know 266 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: that I made. I ended up buying a house at 267 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 4: a young age. I still heavy mortgage, but you know, 268 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 4: it was it was certain things that I had a 269 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: vision board for my future, and I didn't want to. 270 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: I needed this to last longer than a few years. 271 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Well, that's so interesting that you say that you were 272 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: still willing to be a little bit frugal, because in 273 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, the La Times wrote an article 274 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: on you, Copra Snake is young, making money and still 275 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: using coupons. 276 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: I love a good coupon. You know, a dollar off 277 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: a box of cereal. You know it adds up if 278 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: you buy a lot of cereal. 279 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: If you buy a lot, what's the cereal that you 280 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: go for? 281 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a huge raisin brand fan. You know, 282 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: it keeps me regular, and you know, whatever's I kind 283 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: of go for what's on sale. You know some of 284 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 4: this Kashi, I don't know, flax plus or good good 285 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 4: varieties in the caschie cereals. 286 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: And good coupons to buy them with. Yes. 287 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: At a point around twenty twelve, you are You've you've 288 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: been everywhere. You've been to Tokyo, You're in New York, 289 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: you're in Los Angeles, you're in Las Vegas. 290 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: I had like four passports at that time. I added 291 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: pages and it got too thick, and they said I 292 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: hadn't have new passports. I mean, the amount of countries 293 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: I had been and the things I had seen by 294 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 4: the time I was in my late twenties was nuts. 295 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 4: And it wasn't so much that I was like partying 296 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: too much, because I barely would drink because if you 297 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: if you're doing this professionally, you can't party. Yeah, you're 298 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: there doing your job. And I was there to take pictures. 299 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: But just all that travel, not having a consistent schedule, 300 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: not eating great, you know, it all added up and 301 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: I never felt like my old self. Yeah, and people 302 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: noticed that, and I was grum, and like, my best 303 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 4: friend Steve Aoki is like, dude, what's wrong with you? 304 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: Used to be so fun? And I'm like, well, I 305 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 4: think I'm a little out of shape now, and I 306 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 4: you know, I haven't been taking care of myself like 307 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: I should. 308 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: Can we just pause that? 309 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: You just like casually threw down that your best friend 310 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: is Steve Aoki. 311 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 4: I mean the thing is, it's like we literally have 312 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: known each other since we were not famous whatsoever. Yeah, 313 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: he was DJing in small bars in Hollywood and I 314 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: was taking pictures of him. And I owe a lot 315 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 4: to Steve because we traveled around the world together. Many 316 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 4: times me documenting him. It grew both of our names 317 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 4: at the time. 318 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: So interesting. 319 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know we're still still close and he's 320 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: so fit now. 321 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 322 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is a good transition into kind 323 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: of what I will effectively call your hurdle moment. You're 324 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: traveling the world, You've seen all the sights, your passport 325 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: book is exploding, and you start to observe something that's 326 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: happening in your industry. 327 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: So what do you what do you come across? 328 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: So social media kind of fucked me. 329 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: Up in twelve. Yeah, okay, when. 330 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: Instagram launched, I didn't believe in it. I didn't really 331 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: want to. I love that. I was on my own island. 332 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: I had the Cobsnake dot com and it was vibrant. 333 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: You know, there was you know, so many people, uh 334 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: coming to the website like it was ridiculous. It was 335 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: like football stadium of people per day. We're seeing it. 336 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: I love that. I love that measure up. 337 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: No, and that was the thing. It was like, I 338 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 4: was like, whoa, you know, I met Coachella, seeing this 339 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: many people you know, at this concert, and that's sometimes 340 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: the traffic I was getting on a day. It was 341 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: like nuts and then when social media came around, I 342 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: just didn't jump on it quick enough and I wasn't 343 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 4: as needed, you know, to go to a party when 344 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: everyone can take the photos, and that there's a social 345 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: influencers with huge each they don't really care about the 346 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: party photographer as much anymore, right, And so. 347 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: You kind of started to understand that if you wanted 348 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: to continue pursuing to do what you love, which was 349 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: take photos, and you'd have to a probably get a 350 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: little bit more social and be maybe pivot from the 351 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: kinds of material that you were capturing. 352 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, after ten years of shooting parties, 353 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: you kind of get tired of it. So I was 354 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: really excited to pivot and jump over a hurdle and 355 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: try something new. And the thing when I started Cobra 356 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: Fitness Club, I knew it wasn't going to be an 357 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 4: overnight success. I it took me over ten years to 358 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: be like the successful photographer that I am, and I'm 359 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 4: on that same journey with Cobra Fitness Club now. 360 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: So tell us, Okay, we just dropped Cobra Fitness Club 361 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: like a mic like Mike Draft Fitness Club. So why 362 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: don't you explain to the listeners what Cobra Fitness Club is, 363 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: and like, how you kind of even concepted that there 364 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: was a need for something like this. 365 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 4: So Fitness Club really stemmed out of my own personal 366 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 4: need to be accountable and to get back in shape. 367 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: It started with me not taking a nap in the 368 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: afternoon and going on a hike instead. And those were 369 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: the complete opposite things, you know, from something that is 370 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 4: completely lazy and not really great for the rest of 371 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 4: your day, to you know, exerting a lot of energy 372 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: and getting sweaty and climbing in a mountain. And people 373 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 4: started seeing that I actually used my Instagram to post 374 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: primarily hiking photos in the beginning on the Cobra Snake 375 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: and people are like, you're a photographer, why is it 376 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: just pictures of you sweating on Runyon And I was like, oh, well, 377 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: you're right, maybe I should stem and grow a separate 378 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 4: Instagram account. And so cob Fitness Club started. People wanted 379 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: to join what I was doing because it was fun. 380 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: They saw that, like I was getting epic photos because 381 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: I knew how to take photos, and the content that 382 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: I created with a small group of people on Running 383 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 4: Canyon made people from all around the world want to 384 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: hike with me. It was also the thing that I 385 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: had relationships with people that i'd met traveling, so when 386 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: they came to LA, They're like, I gotta go hiking 387 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 4: with you. So it became the new social hour for me. 388 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: Well, I met you at an ASEX event. 389 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, I'm sure if you took a stop 390 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: about five years prior to that, you would have never thought, oh, yeah, 391 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to go hang out with some people from 392 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: ASEX and we're going to go on a run around 393 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. 394 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that I've been supported by so 395 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: many like legit brands in the fitness space is so nuts. 396 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: And the thing is that I don't take it seriously 397 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 4: and I know my place, like I might never get 398 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: a six pack, but that's okay. And I'm here to 399 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 4: inspire people that don't have like a taste for the 400 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: traditional things that are out. 401 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: There, right, And so that's kind of what I really 402 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: came to appreciate when I asked you to describe what 403 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Cobra the Copra fitness club was to me over the phone. 404 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: You said to me, and I won't be able to 405 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: say it verbatim, but it was just like, we like 406 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: to do fitness because it's fun. We don't like need 407 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: to do fitness and show up and be like the 408 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: most serious competitive people that there are in the world. 409 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's enough of that, And I think business can 410 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: be competitive, but fitness doesn't have. 411 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: To be right, you know. 412 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 4: I know how hard it is for me to get 413 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 4: these photo jobs now when I'm pitching clients and there's 414 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 4: three other people that are all triple bidding it, and 415 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: it's like really aggressive. So when I approach fitness, I 416 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 4: don't want it to have any of that. I want 417 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: it to be this just free spirited, fun California lifestyle. Yeah, 418 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to Saying it's a California lifestyle 419 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: doesn't mean it can only be in California. I've had 420 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 4: like amazing workout groups in New York and South Korea 421 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: and pretty much everywhere I go. I try to work 422 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: out and find like minded people in those cities. 423 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast with the CEO of 424 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: Outdoor Voices the other day, and she was saying that 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: when she started working out and when she started ov 426 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: the nickname for Outdoor Voices, her goal with the clothes 427 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: was to make something that didn't make you feel like 428 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: you needed to be like an Olympic athlete to work out. 429 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's like kind of along the 430 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: same mission statement for you. It's like you just let 431 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: have to like what you do, like you got to 432 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: feel good in what you've got going on. 433 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, Ty and I are friends, and 434 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: I've done some great work with out your voices over 435 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: the years. It's amazing to see how fast that company's 436 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 4: grown and the energy that they're putting out towards fitness. 437 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: I love that. I think that there's something to say 438 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: for getting back to sort of that like pe class. Yeah, 439 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 4: and I don't know where it all had to become 440 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 4: so competitive it is. 441 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: It feels feel competitive. 442 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: It feels especially competitive, I guess I would say coming 443 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: from New York inside like the boutique fitness industry, it's 444 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: like you are already paying like thirty to forty dollars 445 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: just to show up somewhere and like give something your all. 446 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: And if you're going to spend thirty fourty dollars, you 447 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: might as well be giving it you're all. It's bigger 448 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: than just like showing up and like looking a certain way. 449 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: It's like, if you're going to invest in that time, well, man, 450 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: like you better put in the work. 451 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: Yes, no, I mean, and that's the thing is you'll 452 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: you will get results when you put in that effort. 453 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: And it's not just about working out. You have to 454 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 4: eat right and you have to you know, take care 455 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: of yourself and stretching. I need to stretch more. You 456 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 4: don't know how sore I am after working out, and 457 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: I just forget to stretch and stay hydrated. 458 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: I remember also, when we were kind of talking about 459 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: the beginning of this, you said a huge hurdle for 460 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: you was getting to be comfortable working out in the 461 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: first place, and for you at times it was really 462 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: truly challenging. 463 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when I referenced run in Canyon, you know, 464 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 4: it's an iconic mountain in Hollywood, and you have to 465 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: climb the mountain, like literally, like you can't stop and 466 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: turn around. I mean, yeah, you could, but that would 467 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: kind of be defeating. And so I looked at that 468 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: mountain top and I'm like, I'm going to get up there. 469 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: As slow as it is, I'm going to get up there. 470 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 4: And day by day I got faster, and you know, 471 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 4: I say, don't stop till the top because you're basically 472 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: any goal you want to set, you have to get 473 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: to the top. And if it's a mountain, or if 474 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: it's finishing a project, or if it's getting through school, 475 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: or if it's building your company, why stop halfway? You know, 476 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: you really want to accomplish as much as you can. 477 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: When you started Cobra Fitness Clubs and you had already 478 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: had so much success as a photographer, was that equally 479 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: as overwhelming to an extent? 480 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 4: So, I mean it was funny because people are like, 481 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: why are you spending so much time and energy on 482 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: Cobra Fitness Club. You have a successful photography career and 483 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 4: that should be your focus. Also run a store in Hollywood, 484 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: like you don't need another thing to be busy with. 485 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, this is something that's like personally 486 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: going to make me better and help everything else that 487 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 4: I do. And it all sort of is this three 488 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 4: sixty because what I do with Cobrafitness Club we involve 489 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 4: Cobra shop with and my photography is like the whole 490 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: reason why Cobrafitness Club exists, right, And so it's this 491 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: nice vertically integrated sort of pyramid scheme. 492 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: Where did where did the cobra name come from? 493 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 4: When when I was young, I was in traditional photography 494 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: school and everyone made a website with their own name 495 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 4: and photography afterwards. So mine would have been Mark Hunter 496 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 4: photography dot com. And I'm like, that sounds so lame 497 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 4: and so boring and no offense to anybody that has 498 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: a blog like that. If you went to Brooks College 499 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 4: or some photography school, I guarantee you have a website 500 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: like that. But I wanted to create something that was 501 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 4: more of a brand and didn't have anything to do 502 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: with photography. The fact that I've been able to stem 503 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: into so many different sort of aspects of lifestyle is 504 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: like so fun for me. 505 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. So what would you say, is 506 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: like your favorite way to work out at the moment. 507 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 4: I'm a cardio king cardio king, and I love being outside, 508 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: so you know, even if it's cold, I love being outside. 509 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: I think the outdoors. 510 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's cold in La Man? 511 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: No? No. But I'm saying like, oh, well, people in 512 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: New York are like, oh, you can't work out when 513 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 4: it's cold. Yeah, you can still go running, And I've 514 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 4: I've gone running with I worked out with November project 515 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 4: in Boston in the winter. Yeah, and my sweat and 516 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 4: breath is like drying on me and freezing, and my 517 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: nose I've never felt my nose so cold. But it 518 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 4: was like an amazing feeling and a crazy workout. So 519 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: you know, you can use your outdoors to your advantage. 520 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 4: And then I also, I'm a some studios might hate 521 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: me for this, but I'm a believer that fitness should 522 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: be free, and so you can run anywhere outside and 523 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: if you have a mountain, you can climb it. And 524 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 4: if you want to do some pushups, you can do 525 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 4: that anywhere. You know, you don't need a gym. The 526 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: world is a gym. 527 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I find this idea like, if you have a mountain, 528 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: you can climb it obviously applicable to so much more 529 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: than fitness. How do you feel now that you've been 530 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: so integrated into this wellness world that these lessons kind 531 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: of play back into your career? 532 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent. I mean the same way I'm 533 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: talking about climbing a mountain or trying to achieve a goal. 534 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: I think about running across the Williamsburg Bridge and it's like, again, 535 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 4: if I don't go all the way, it doesn't make 536 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 4: sense for me. And my grandfather always said, if you 537 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 4: hang by your head, you hang by your feet, which 538 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: I never really understood. But I think it's like just 539 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 4: go all the way in. I think that in business 540 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: you have to. It's a struggle. You're going to have 541 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: a lot of pain and suffering to accomplish something. And 542 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 4: same in fitness. You're transforming your body and it hurts 543 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 4: and you're sore the next day and you could be 544 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: emotionally damaged. And same in business. You're going to have 545 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: people that don't believe in you. You're going to have 546 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 4: people that say you're crazy to think that you're going 547 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 4: to be a party photographer. I mean when I first started, 548 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: I had so many people criticize me for not going 549 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: to college, for making a website, you know, in two 550 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 4: thousand and three, Like it was so funny to hear 551 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: people's opinions of what I was doing. Also, I had 552 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 4: a lot of pressure from family or friends that were 553 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: going to college, that were, you know, becoming professionals, and 554 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: here I am, like, without really a true certification or anything, 555 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 4: trying to build something. And same with the fitness it's 556 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: like I really have no authority in fitness right, Like, 557 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 4: I'm not a personal trainer, and I don't want to 558 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 4: be right, you know, I want to be like this 559 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 4: motivator and this inspiration for people. 560 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 561 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: I mean, but if you go to corporate Fitness and 562 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: you look at the page, it's not like you're telling 563 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: people that they need to do like burpies and like 564 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: eight eight reps of eight reps, three sets of biceps 565 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: crawls and yeah whatever. You're just like there to have 566 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: a good time and like hang out with your friends 567 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: and be fit exactly. 568 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: And you know the amount of people that feel alive 569 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 4: when they come on my workouts, like that's that's what 570 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: I love seeing. You know. If we go hiking in 571 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 4: the Santa Monica Mountains, we hop in the ocean right after, Yeah, 572 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: and that feeling is like unreal. And so many people 573 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: will come back and text me saying, that was the 574 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: most memorable day I've had in a long time. Because 575 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 4: people are on their phone all day and they're sitting 576 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 4: in an office and they don't even get outside as 577 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 4: much as they should. Yeah, And to feel that sun 578 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 4: on you and to get sweaty, yeah, and then to 579 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 4: feel that salt water when you plunge into the ice 580 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: cold Pacific, like it's unreal. 581 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: I love like how grounded you are. 582 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: I also feel like it's so important to point out 583 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: that Mark is currently wearing like a half buttoned Hawaiian shirt. 584 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 4: It's like I'm always on vacation. 585 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like kind of how I feel sitting with 586 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: you here. In twenty fifteen, you spoke to Vice for 587 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: an article. I'm going to pull up a quote here. 588 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: I think I was always a hipster, even before hipsters 589 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: were a thing. I've always worn weird clothes that I've 590 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: bought from the thrift store. I was voted most unique 591 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: in my high school. I think hipster has become so 592 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: mainstream that it makes it difficult to tell who the 593 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: weirdos are. Before you could find somebody based on how 594 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: they were dressed and know they would know about the 595 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: Pixies or Radiohead or whatever. But now you could talk 596 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: to a guy wearing skinny jeans, he might not even 597 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: be able to name a Radiohead song. The style has 598 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: transcended the culture. 599 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it's true. One thing I love about hiking 600 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: and fitness is you could say you're a fit, but 601 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: can you climb a mountain? And that should be part 602 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 4: of your fitness regime, not saying you have to do 603 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: it fast, but can you do it? And so there's 604 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: you know a lot of people that look at me 605 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: and my physique and they're like, oh, you know, you're 606 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 4: not that fit, and then I'll beat them up the mountain, 607 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: you know, not that that's I'm not trying to be competitive. 608 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make a point there. But in 609 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 4: terms of this culture, it's been like so appropriated now 610 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 4: where nothing is that original, and you have so much 611 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 4: inspiration from social media where I don't know, I don't 612 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 4: know where that's going to take us in the future. 613 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Where do you feel like you want to go in 614 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: the future, Like do you want to keep focusing on 615 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: this on the cover snake Fit to go to Mars? 616 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean you and everybody else? 617 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: Man? No, I mean I think that I'm a good 618 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: few years into building Cobra Fitness Club. The sky's the limit. 619 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: I've been so lucky to you know, have just crazy opportunities, 620 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: you know, come day by day and I don't know 621 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: what could be happening in the future. People joke and 622 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 4: they're saying, oh, like let's open a bunch of gyms. 623 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: You know and have these really like retro gyms all around, 624 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 4: you know, and be the next like Equinox, but not Equinox, 625 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 4: you know, not even you know, I could have a 626 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: sports drink. I could I could literally have anything. I 627 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: could have a whole line of protein. Right, There's so 628 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: much that I can do, you know. I make just 629 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 4: basic T shirts and I could have you know, I 630 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: want everything. 631 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: Is it vegan protein? 632 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: Of course you're talking to some of that grew up 633 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 4: in La. 634 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is like vegan and comes with the side 635 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: of crystals. Yes, I mean, I love how ambitious you are. 636 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: Looking back on your career. What do you think has 637 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: been one of the most excellent pieces of advice that 638 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: you've been given. 639 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: What I think is funny is that I give good 640 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: advice to a lot of other people. Yeah, because I've 641 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: built my own brand and I know a lot of 642 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 4: ins and outs of all this sort of world, and 643 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 4: I tell everybody great advice. But I don't take that 644 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 4: advice for myself in what way where I'll tell somebody, oh, 645 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: this is how you should run your business. Or I 646 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 4: can look at somebody else's project and give them great ideas, 647 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 4: but then I don't actually activate those same thoughts for 648 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: my own ideas. Okay, in a general way, how to 649 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 4: say that better, But it's I don't have a specific example, 650 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 4: but it would just be like I can tell somebody 651 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: else xyz, but I'm not listening to myself for x 652 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 4: y Z, and it's like I need to listen to 653 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 4: myself more. 654 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the first step is recognizing that, Yeah, 655 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm interested. I feel like you and Steve don't chat 656 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: business ever, all putting games. 657 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and you. 658 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: Reference this before, which is why I think it's actually 659 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: so dope, because Steve is huge into fitness and wellness. 660 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean Aoki's drive and if you haven't 661 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 4: watched his I'll sleep till I'm dead or I'll sleep 662 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 4: when I'm dead documentary on Netflix. You have to People 663 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 4: might knock him for x y Z, but no, you can't. 664 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 4: He works harder than anybody I know, and he deserves 665 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: all that success. But it is a crazy drive, and 666 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 4: it makes sense that he's as successful as he is. Yeah, 667 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: he launched a pizza Aoki recently where you can get 668 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 4: pizza delivered branded by him. 669 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: Oh that's normal. 670 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: It's not like justin La or something. 671 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's it's via Postmates. 672 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: It's like how everything else that's cool shows up at 673 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: your door in a major city. 674 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay cool. So do you have a book that 675 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: you like to give other people? 676 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? I have two books that I love. Outliers by 677 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: Malcolm Gladwell. I know that's like probably pretty obvious, but 678 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: if you haven't read it, you must, and then the 679 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 4: Art of Tidying by Condo. 680 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: Or Art of Tidying Up. 681 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that I need to listen to her more. 682 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, have a lot of stuff. 683 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I need to listen to her more too. Man, when 684 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: you think about the things that make you the happiest, 685 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: would you say that right now in your career you 686 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: are integrating those enough. 687 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: Definitely not. One of the things that has been sort 688 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 4: of a dark cloud for me is that I haven't 689 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 4: ever published a book of my work. And I have 690 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 4: the most insane, ripe archive of photos from the two 691 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 4: thousands that's definitely deserving of a book. Every single celebrity 692 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 4: when they were younger, you know, every single band, every 693 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 4: fashion designer, you know, the culture of the two thousands 694 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: should be represented through my work. And I've just like 695 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: had some dumb mental block about getting it done. Yeah, 696 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 4: and it's I don't know, I need to do it. 697 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: Maybe someone's going to listen to this podcast and reach. 698 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: Out to you about it. Please help me about publishing 699 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 3: your book. 700 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Do you think, looking back in your career, if you 701 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: could name someone that made you truly starstruck, who that 702 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: would be. 703 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 4: I was really never that impressed by any celebrities. 704 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 3: That's so interesting to me, just. 705 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 4: Because it was so commonplace. 706 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was. 707 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 4: She's retired now, but she was a dental hygienist in 708 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 4: the most wild office in Central City And I would 709 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 4: be in there doing my homework after school and it's 710 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 4: Mark Wahlberg getting his teeth cleaned, where it's Tom Cruise 711 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: and they're talking to me and they're just normal people, 712 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 4: you know. So I was never really like blown away 713 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 4: by celebrity culture. 714 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 3: But no one, no gig you got that. You were like, Wow, 715 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: I'm like the worst at those favorite type things. I'm 716 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: not mad at you for it. 717 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: I think it just shows that you're pretty humble. 718 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 4: Also, like I just I'm just to being humble. I'm 719 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 4: so lucky and blessed that I've been able to do this. Yeah, 720 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 4: I haven't. I feel like I haven't had a real 721 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 4: job my whole life. 722 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do what I love. 723 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 4: Every day and that's what motivates me. It's like, I 724 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 4: know that this is a special position that I have, 725 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: and if I don't put my all into this, I 726 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 4: might not be able to do this forever. Yeah, and 727 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 4: I don't really want to work at Starbucks. I do 728 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 4: love drinking Starbucks. And I'm so happy they're not gonna 729 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 4: have straws in a couple of years. It's like very 730 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 4: eco friendly of them. 731 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: You're like, and that's just my position on this particular issue. 732 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: You now, in twenty eighteen, have the opportunity to give 733 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: some advice to the guy that dropped out of community 734 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: college and is about to embark on this crazy journey 735 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: as a photographer. What is a piece of advice that 736 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: you give to him. 737 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 4: It's a piece of advice that my agent gave me. 738 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 4: You have to treat it like a nine to five job. 739 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 4: Every day you have to work towards your goal. If 740 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 4: you're not on a photo shoot, you should be organizing 741 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 4: your portfolio and contacting potential clients and setting up test shoots. 742 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 4: You have to be spending literally eight hours every day 743 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 4: working on your craft, whether it's photography, whether it's fashion, 744 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 4: whatever it may be. You can't just do it for 745 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 4: a couple hours here and there. 746 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: You have to be in it right and a piece 747 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: of advice you'd give the Mark that was starting out 748 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: trying to hike that meltain at the beginning. 749 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I just wish that I wasn't so dependent 750 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 4: on sugar, and I wish that somebody had been, like, 751 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 4: stop eating like bags and bags of sour patch kids, 752 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 4: because it just like made me. It was on my 753 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 4: rider when I was traveling, that I would have a 754 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 4: bag of sour Patch kids in Swedish fish at every 755 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 4: gig that I went to. 756 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever sat down with someone 757 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: who told me about what was in their writer or like, 758 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: I've sat down with very few people that I. 759 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 4: Can't even believe I had a writer writer. It was funny, 760 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 4: and it also included like double A batteries for my 761 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 4: camera flash Smart, which now the other thing for photography. 762 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 4: Get rechargeable batteries. They work amazing and you'd never have 763 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 4: to buy batteries again. I wish that I just would 764 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 4: take care of I could have taken care of myself 765 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 4: better in my twenties. Yeah, and you know, people don't know. 766 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 4: People see me and they're like, I'll say I'm thirty three, 767 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 4: and they're like, you're thirty three. 768 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 3: In a good way or in a bad way. Oh, 769 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,479 Speaker 3: I think you look great. 770 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I mean 771 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 4: I think it's fine. Yeah, I'm all natural if that counts. 772 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 2: Mark, thanks for sitting down with me. 773 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 4: Thank you. This was dope. 774 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by 775 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: clicking a link with the description to this episode. 776 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 2: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to 777 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: hear about yours. 778 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle dot us, 779 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. 780 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 2: Mark where do they find you? 781 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 4: You can find me on Instagram at Thecobrasnake dot com. 782 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 4: Send me dms, I replied to pretty much everyone. I 783 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 4: love that and I'll if you have a question, I'll 784 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 4: get right back to you. 785 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: And he probably wants you to come hiking with him. 786 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 4: Yes, and please if you're ever in town in Hollywood, 787 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 4: please hit me up. And you can also see a 788 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 4: list of events on the cobrasnake dot com and they're 789 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 4: all open to everybody. 790 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 3: I love it. 791 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: Mark, Thanks again, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.