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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Mark Ken You all right, welcome to the wire Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Like I just said,

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Speaker 1: we are here for our second bonus turkey hunting episode

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Speaker 1: of the month. We've got Tony Peterson back with us.

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Speaker 1: You probably heard him recently talking deer with me. Now

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Speaker 1: we're back to talk turkeys, and in particular, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: cover a lot on how he bow hunts for turkeys.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna cover some of his different tactics with decoys,

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Speaker 1: in particular how he adds realism to them. We discuss

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Speaker 1: some different turkey tendencies and whether or not there's truth

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Speaker 1: to these myths or commonly hell beliefs. We're in talk

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Speaker 1: calling scouting public land, how to find good public land

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Speaker 1: turkey spots, and a whole lot more along those lines.

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Speaker 1: It's a good one if you're ready to hit the

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Speaker 1: turkey woods. Highly recommend you give us want to listen

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Speaker 1: before heading out. So without further ado, let's just get

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Speaker 1: right into it, all right with me on the line

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Speaker 1: for our bonus turkey podcast conversation Tony Peterson, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me again for another one of these chats. And Uh,

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Speaker 1: I had to get you on to talk turkeys because

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Speaker 1: the last time you and I talked turkeys, we somehow

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Speaker 1: got Spencer new Hearth to admit to something about bobcats

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Speaker 1: breeding with turkeys and all sorts of weird stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it was one of my favorite moments of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So it was amazing. Spencer, is that dude's like a

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Speaker 1: legit alien or something. He's Can I tell you something

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Speaker 1: else weird about him? Yeah? He gets up every morning

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Speaker 1: at five thirty, I think, and he goes into his

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Speaker 1: hot tub in the backyard and he doesn't have a fence,

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Speaker 1: and so he just kind of walks out into the

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Speaker 1: middle of his yard with all these neighbors around him,

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Speaker 1: and he gets in this hot tub and he as

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Speaker 1: a weird morning ritual that I don't really fully understand,

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Speaker 1: but he spends an hour kind of meditating, it seems like,

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Speaker 1: in his hot tub every morning in Montana. Uh. He's

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Speaker 1: got purple like mood lights and stuff. It's a very

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Speaker 1: peculiar thing, but it does help me understand him a

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Speaker 1: little bit better. So I just thought you should know

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Speaker 1: that Uh that I believe that and not not to

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Speaker 1: totally derail this thing. Have you watched The Tiger King

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Speaker 1: on Netflix show? I just have started on one episode in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so tell me if you don't think that Spencer new

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Speaker 1: Heart might belong at that zoo. Oh he would fit

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Speaker 1: in perfectly. I could see him being like one of

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Speaker 1: the groundskeepers. He'd be one of the guys that kind

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Speaker 1: of was was reeled in underneath the Joe Exotics lure

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Speaker 1: and helps out with things. Yeah. In fact, I think

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Speaker 1: his new nickname should be Spencer Exotic. I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's not bad. We started calling him the hot tub

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Speaker 1: Hunter within the med Either team and uh, and there's

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Speaker 1: just something about him that just is mysterious. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: he's one of a kind. He's he's actually we we

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Speaker 1: may even get together and hunt with him this year

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Speaker 1: if possible, and I think that'd be a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun if it works out. He's a character, he's a

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Speaker 1: good dude. But but turkeys, other than Spencer or what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about today and what I've got

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Speaker 1: kind of planned, what we've been doing for this month

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Speaker 1: is kind of a series of bonus Turkey episodes where

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Speaker 1: we just kind of go rapid fire through a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different tactic topics and just kind of run down

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Speaker 1: all sorts of thoughts that you've got on hunting turkeys.

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Speaker 1: I know you do a ton of it. You're very successful.

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed talking turkeys with in the past. So if

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Speaker 1: you're down, I I'm gonna try not to do the

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Speaker 1: weird rambling circle your conversations that I sometimes have. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to just spit questions that you get ideas

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Speaker 1: and just go down the list and cover as much

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Speaker 1: actually helpful stuff as possible rather than me rambling a

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Speaker 1: out philosophy or some crazy thing like that. Well, this

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Speaker 1: is this is gonna be a hell of a challenge

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Speaker 1: for both of us that I know. I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to stick to my notes. So are you prepared to

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Speaker 1: do the turkey hunting rapid fire wired hunt challenge? Definitely?

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Speaker 1: Fire away, buddy, Okay, Tony Peterson. How do you go

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Speaker 1: about finding public land turkey spots? Let's start their turkey

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Speaker 1: hunt in public land? How do you find spots? Are good?

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Speaker 1: Get on on X and find some trees that usually

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Speaker 1: how I start yep, if if I'm heading out West,

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Speaker 1: how I start, and and is there is literally that

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Speaker 1: The extent of your scouting is just finding some things

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Speaker 1: anything I can do before I get on the ground? Um,

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Speaker 1: the same the same approach I would for the white tails,

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Speaker 1: where I'm looking for a big chunk of ground. So

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for those few essentials, right there has to

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Speaker 1: a matter of like how much ground can I cover

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Speaker 1: and how how far can I get from the access? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so then let's do that. Let's we're on the ground,

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Speaker 1: you're covering ground. How do you actually scout a property

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Speaker 1: just walking field edges? Or walking through exactly what you're

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Speaker 1: doing on your first day. Let's say, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever hunted like Texas birds,

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Speaker 1: just about and you know, it's easy to figure out

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Speaker 1: maybe tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: How you go about trying to find the roost tree,

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Speaker 1: fly down to you know, a strut zone or some

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Speaker 1: is there any kind of generic trend you've seen with

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Speaker 1: for sure, a lot of it comes from fall hunting.

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Speaker 1: You see, you see the circuit big time if you

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Speaker 1: spend a full day fall turkey hunting. But in the spring,

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Speaker 1: what I'm what's going to make a circuit as the hens,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have a pattern, especially the earlier in

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Speaker 1: That that sort of starts to disintegrate as the season

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Speaker 1: that just puts you in the right place to not

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Speaker 1: only catch like the top the dominant tom's but you'll

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Speaker 1: it's it's just a good strategy to start with. Do

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Speaker 1: There's certain things that we know that mature bucks do

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Speaker 1: some generalities how they'll operate differently, um Man kind of

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Speaker 1: like they're they're the ones who will start out with

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Speaker 1: the late March Nebraska type of thing where you get

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Speaker 1: to see you might actually be hunting while the winnering

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Speaker 1: flocks are breaking up, and you'll have those days where

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Speaker 1: you watch them and you see like turkey fights break up.

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Speaker 1: Just they're they're just in such close proximity, and they're

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Speaker 1: setting that pecking order, and you can start to see

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Speaker 1: the two year olds peel off and the three Jake's

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Speaker 1: They'll fight later, of course, but you see those big

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Speaker 1: Is it because you've master the yelp? Or is it

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Speaker 1: less tolerant of this kind of stuff. And so if

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00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: you're shotgun hunting a running gun, and it doesn't really

430
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: matter a whole lot if you spend up for decoys.

431
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 1: If you do, you you probably have a little bit

432
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: better of a hunt. But you only need that bird

433
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: in that forty yard range. And even if he comes

434
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: in there and he gets a little spooky, he doesn't

435
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: want to commit closer, it doesn't really matter, or it shouldn't.

436
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: You can dust him at forty or whatever. Yeah, you

437
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: can shoot him right in the face when it when

438
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: it when you're bowing and you want that bird. I mean,

439
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: I literally want my birds like five to seven yards away,

440
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: and I want them in that decoy trance where if

441
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: I shoot him. And I've had this happen like probably

442
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: three or four times in the last few years. I've

443
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: shot birds right through the chest and had him fly up,

444
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: come right back down and keep fighting my decoy and

445
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: shot him again. And there's just you can see them

446
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: with those really good decoys that have the right body posture.

447
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, it's not just like a

448
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: paint job, even though the best ones look really good,

449
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: but they're conveying something with the body posture. And there

450
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: you can just watch these birds. I mean, I'll never

451
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: forget I killed the bird and Iowa two years ago.

452
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: This monster Tom late season, we called him in. You know,

453
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: it was like ten o'clock in the morning, ten thirty.

454
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: Got him Goblin, and we watched him hit this field

455
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: edge and he probably hit it, I don't know, hundred

456
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: yards away, five yards away, started walking in and kind

457
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: of just slow walking but in our direction, and when

458
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: he just got close, you could just see that it

459
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: just flipped the switch and he just went full strut

460
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: right up next to the decoy and just like started

461
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: bumping it. And he was kind of like cautious on

462
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: the way in, but you just you could, like you

463
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: know how it is with a buck. Like sometimes they're

464
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: standing there and you'll make a call and he'll just

465
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: do something and you go, oh, it's one. He'll start

466
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: licking his lips or something, and you go, this is

467
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: just you just feel it, like you just saw that

468
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: change and it's gonna happen. That happens to me more

469
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: than ever when I use really good decoys, Like I think,

470
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: I think spending up for decoys is better than than

471
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: it's the best money you can spend on turkey hunting.

472
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: What's your favorite decoy Dave Smith's And do you have

473
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: like a specific if if I could only afford one

474
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: David Smith decoy, which woman to be the It's a

475
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: quarter strut. I think it's a quarter strut. J It's

476
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: the one. It's the Jake that everybody uses. I think

477
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: that decoy. Well, I've had more just amazing tom commitment

478
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: to that to the point where like just just as

479
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: an example, I went out last year in Minnesota and

480
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: I had this this scout spotted out or a spot

481
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: scouted out, and I I put that set up out there,

482
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: and I had a couple of hens, but I had

483
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: that that jake decoy over a lay down hen, and

484
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: I called in a bird at like nine o'clock and

485
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: I saw him come through the woods and as soon

486
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: as he laid eyes on it, he ran in. And

487
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: that that jake decoy has like a pretty stout metal

488
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: um oversized steak. That tom came in and hit my

489
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: decoy so hard he bent the metal steak and he

490
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: started fighting and pushing that decoy around and I shot

491
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: him right through the wing button out his back and

492
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: he flipped up, ran down the road, turn around, and

493
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: came back and walked up to that decoy and I

494
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: shot him again. And I mean I I shot him

495
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: when I was like, I couldn't believe it. I got

496
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: it on film when when I cleaned that bird, I

497
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: had run a like a two inch mechanical basically from

498
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: his wing butt down over the top of his thigh

499
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: through his chest and he came back to fight. It

500
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: was just carnage. I don't I don't know how he

501
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: did it. When the second shot, he didn't have anything

502
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: left in him. But they just that that decoy or

503
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: those decoys. It's incredible, man. So what if I just

504
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of money. I'm not going

505
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: to be able to toss whatever it costs to get

506
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: one of those Dave Smiths. What if I have to

507
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: settle for a more formable model. But I'm a creative type.

508
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I like arts and crafts or I like to get

509
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: funky with things. Are there any little modifications or tricks

510
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: that I can do to make up less expensive model

511
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: a little bit more appealing. I know I've heard some

512
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: stuff about ways you add movement, different stuff like that. Yep, yeah,

513
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: you can add movement. I I used to do that

514
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: a lot more um with with glue in some of

515
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: those those down feathers from turkeys on, like around the

516
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: head and the legs to add a little movement. But

517
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: the one trick that I've heard a lot that I've

518
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: tried it in the past, and I've seen this in

519
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: wild birds is you can paint your your jake head white.

520
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 1: And that the theory is, and I don't know if

521
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: this is proven or not, I think it is, but

522
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: when they know they're about to actually breed ahead, their

523
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: head turns white, and so you'll see I actually think

524
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Dave Smith has a new DECOYLT that has a white head.

525
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but we've seen that in the past

526
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: where companies come out with that, and I think a

527
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to buy it because we

528
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: think tom head's a red like you look at him

529
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: on the shelf, you know, and Cabela's or wherever, and

530
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: you go that that doesn't look right. But if you've

531
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: ever been out there and you've hunted birds enough, I've

532
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: killed a few birds that their head turned white while

533
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: it was the whole thing was going down. And I've

534
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: heard that from people who are way had way more

535
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: turkey experience than me and observing birds. So I think

536
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: that's something that's that you know, it's worth trying out

537
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: because if you want to take off a gob or

538
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: show them that. Uh. One more thing decoy is you

539
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: said that you want those birds coming right in close.

540
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: Exactly how far away do you like your decoy is

541
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: set up from a bow hunting blind or whatever you're

542
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: in that my jake is gonna be or if Jake

543
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: or the strutter is gonna be like five to seven

544
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: yards and I want it, I mean I want it

545
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: stupid close. I want it so that I can't miss.

546
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: Speaking of can't missing, what are the shots you are

547
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: willing to take with a bow at a turkey? And

548
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: where where exactly do you like? Dame? Um? I like

549
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: them when they're not in full strut. If I can

550
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: help it, Um, I I have shot him. If if

551
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: I if I shoot him full strut, I like on

552
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: the side, because I can kind of aim around that

553
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: wing button, tell where I want to put it. But

554
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a bird that's not in full strut,

555
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I'll shoot him anyway he's standing, because you can just

556
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're aiming for that volleyball in the middle

557
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: of their body. And so what I really like is

558
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: at tom that's facing away from me, I can shoot

559
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: him through the back, through the vitals and not in

560
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: full strut, because then you just you could you have

561
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: a better chance of just breaking them down and running

562
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: it through a whole bunch of good stuff. How do

563
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you what do you like? Walk me to that point

564
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: where you're gonna aim. So the turkeys walking straight away,

565
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna put a dead center mass, you know, from

566
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: left or right, but up and down? Are you going

567
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: a couple inches above? Like the where the tail meats

568
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: or I don't know, how where do you pick your

569
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: spot a little higher than that? Um? Probably you know

570
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you're probably trying to hit like maybe two inches below

571
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: where the wing butts are somewhere in there. Maybe three

572
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: inches below kind of depends, you know. Sometimes they walk

573
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: low like a we think of like a tryand to

574
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: source rex walking. And sometimes they're up high, you know. Um,

575
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: but I like I like that facing away shot. And

576
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, part of that's just because it's a little

577
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: bit easier to get drawn on, and but it's you know,

578
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: they're always moving and there's there's so much it's so

579
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: dynamic that you just gotta I really think the best

580
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: advice is to get a standing turkey three D target

581
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: and shoot it at a whole bunch of different angles.

582
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: What about fixed versus a mechanical I'm I'm a mechanical

583
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: guy with turkeys. I like. I like big cuts fair enough.

584
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: There's not anything too huge that you're gonna knock into

585
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: and have issues like a shoulder blade on a deer. Right. No, UM,

586
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I will say that I did. I shot a bird

587
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: one time. I don't. A couple of years ago I

588
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: shot a bird in full strut that was, you know,

589
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: maybe ten yards away, and you know, I shoot pretty

590
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: heavy stuff, and I hit that sucker directly in the

591
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: wingbone and got I didn't hardly get any penetration. I

592
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: was like, we just have I knocked him over. He

593
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: took off and ran and he died in the field.

594
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: And so I thought, oh, it was better than I

595
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, I thought my initial impression was just wrong.

596
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: But when I went out there, I only got like

597
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: five inches of penetration in my arrow actually broke on him.

598
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: And it made me wonder if there was already like

599
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: a crack in that arrow or something, or some kind

600
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: of somehow it was compromised, or if a turkey wing

601
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: could actually do that. I don't know. Um, So we

602
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: talked about setting up you know, decoys and the blind

603
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and everything for your bow hunts. Will you ever run

604
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: and gun with a bow if you're set up and

605
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: it's just not happening, it's late morning and you want

606
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: to get Nancy, will you go wing it? Yeah? Yeah,

607
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: mostly I mostly regret it, but yes, I'll do that.

608
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: It's just hard, man. I mean, I've tried the gilly

609
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: suit thing, and I've tried some of those little portable blinds,

610
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's possible. I've killed a few that way,

611
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: but it's just not very easy. Is there any one

612
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: thing that has made it a little more successful? Do

613
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: you have any like? Is there the best practice you

614
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: found yet? Yeah? Carry the good decoys with you because

615
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: you need them in that situation, you know, I mean,

616
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the things I actually kind of forgot,

617
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: you know. I grew up putting my back to an

618
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: oak tree and hunt with a shotgun out in the open,

619
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: and I started doing that more in the last few years. Again,

620
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: there was a while where I really didn't. I was

621
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: mostly just bow hunting, and you forget, like, man, you

622
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: can't get away with anything out there when they're when

623
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: it's just you and the turkey, and it's fun because

624
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: you can. It's it's you know, there's there's a lot

625
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: at stake every little movement you make, and so bow

626
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: hunting you've got to think, all right, well, the you know,

627
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: the big movement you're gonna have to do. You really

628
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: got to plan around that. And it's that's not an

629
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: issue when you're in a blind. You know, you you

630
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: can draw, you can get your moment to drop pretty

631
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: easy when you're in a blind, and it's not the

632
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: case when you're out there in the open. You know,

633
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, um, you know how different it is versus

634
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: being in the cover versus being out in the open,

635
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: And that that makes me think about one of the

636
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: other challenges I think that we often faces turkey hunters,

637
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: which is figuring out what to do when turkey is

638
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: not wanting to come towards you. They're hung up for

639
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: some reason or another. And you always hear these different

640
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: theories or wives tales about well, you're not gonna be

641
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: able to get a turkey to jump over a ditch,

642
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: across the stream or do different things like that, like

643
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: physical barriers. Um, is there any truth to that kind

644
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: of stuff? Um? I've heard things about uphill downhill, like

645
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to go up hill, or they're

646
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: not gonna want to go down a hill or there whatever.

647
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Um is that any of that kind of stuff stick

648
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: with you? Or do you just go of it and

649
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: be really good at calling? Well, you know, they're individuals, man,

650
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Like some some birds aren't gonna fly across a little

651
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: creek or a river. Some birds will come across so fast.

652
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: I'll make your head spin, you know. I mean, it's

653
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: how fired up are they? What kind of bird are

654
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you dealing with? You know? And my thing if I

655
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: if I have those birds hang up, you know, because

656
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: sometimes it just happens. They get to like fifty six

657
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: yards and they're just not doing it, and I kind

658
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: of just let them go. Like it's sometimes I think

659
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: that's just what you're dealing with, you know. But I'll

660
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: never forget, dude. I was in uh I was hunting

661
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: public land in South Dakota a couple of years ago,

662
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and I was on this this top of this bluff

663
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: and I could see so far and I had a

664
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: big flock rooster close to me, and they all went away.

665
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: And later in the morning, like six yards away, way

666
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: across the valley, I saw these birds walk in and

667
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: there was one strutter in there, and I could see

668
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: a jake and and some hens through my binoculars, and

669
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: I called, like I yelped as loud as I could,

670
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: and you could see when the sound of my call

671
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: made it all the way over there, that jake took off,

672
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: ran down the hill and sailed and flew right into

673
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: my decoys, and it was like it was like incredible.

674
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I shot him right through the back. It was like

675
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: it was dumb and there was everything between us to

676
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: keep him away. And that was just the one burder.

677
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like hanging out and there's a strutter there.

678
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not getting with these hens, and he

679
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: heard one and he's going, I'm I'm shooting my shot.

680
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you could just see it like there's

681
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: my there's my opportunity, and know, you don't know when

682
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into that bird, and to think that

683
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: you're not going to run into it is you know,

684
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: it's silly. They're they're they're living things out there. They're

685
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: like they're the rules that we make up. They they

686
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: just don't. They're just not universal. It's the same thing

687
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: in the dear world, like they're gonna do stuff that

688
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to. And if you're out there and

689
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: you spend more time watching them and more time calling them,

690
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: you just realized, like there's a certain amount of birds.

691
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna go uphill, downhill, through fences, whatever they have

692
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, when you find yourself in a situation

693
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: where he really won't though he really won't go over

694
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: the fence, or he really won't go across the creek,

695
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: or you don't know why, but for some reason he's

696
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: hung up and you can't see him, but you just

697
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: hear him just kind of stuck. What are your go

698
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: to moves to try to unhang a turkey? Um? If

699
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: if I've tried everything in the book and you know,

700
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: like change my calling strategy and shut up on them

701
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: and got fired up, um, and I can still see

702
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: them out there and they're not gonna do it, I

703
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: I almost treat it like they're not there and it

704
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: more and try to work something else and just see

705
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: if there's something else going on, because you know, just

706
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: it just happens, like there's birds that just won't do it,

707
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you could maybe add some movement into

708
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: your decoys. I've I've tried a bunch of stuff like

709
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: that and that, you know, the strutters you can spin

710
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: and you know, bring the tail up and down, the

711
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 1: tail fan up and down, and I've never really there's

712
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: just like something about it where some of those birds

713
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: you can just read them and go, this is not

714
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: going to happen, Like unless I move and re set

715
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: up somewhere else, this bird is not coming to this

716
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: setup today and you just I kind of just accept that. Yeah,

717
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: so do you do what you just described though, Well,

718
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: you sometimes get up and change position on them a lot.

719
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: That's something that I've had some success with. Yeah, yeah,

720
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's you know, it's so easy

721
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: if your gun hunting to to swing around and try

722
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: to call them into the woods. And you know one

723
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: thing that and you can do it bow hunting too,

724
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: and I have done it, especially if I see a

725
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: couple of birds and they're like, yeah, this is where

726
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be, not not where you are. But the

727
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: one thing that I've seen, and this kind of comes

728
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: from the deer world, is there you get a lot

729
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: of you get a lot of looks when you're on

730
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: field edges with turkeys, but you get those birds and

731
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's just because you can see them and you

732
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: know they're doing it, but you get those birds that

733
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: hold up and aren't coming in. And I think there's

734
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: a different dynamic at play when you're in the cover

735
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and you're on that little logging road or that little

736
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: tiny meadow and you're in the woods. A lot of

737
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: those birds seem more likely to commit in those situations.

738
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Because it's you know, the theory is, you know, they

739
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: got to get closer to see what's going on. But

740
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: I just think that there's less pressure in there. And

741
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: sometimes they're like, this is a place where I run

742
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: into birds a lot and not hunters as much. You

743
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: wrote an article for Mediator somewhat recently, UM about the

744
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: situation you just described, which was birds that are maybe

745
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: decoy shy or spooked by the decoy or something like that.

746
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: How do you do you do you do what you

747
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: just described, which is you just head into the woods

748
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of situation or is there

749
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: anything else that you would think about when you have

750
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: that kind of scenario? Um, It depends what I have

751
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: about for decoys. You know, if I've got the strutter

752
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: out and I have a couple of birds that are

753
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, they'll hold up at fifty six yards and

754
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: not do it, then that strutter is gone. Um. The

755
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: same thing with a jake. If if I have if

756
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: I can see long beards and they're not committing, I

757
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: go okay. Probably the first bet is to take the

758
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: tom or the jake away and then see if that

759
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: changes what's going on. And sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't,

760
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: but I I had that happen a couple of years

761
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: ago with that strutter. I had a spot that had

762
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: a really big bird with a bunch of hens coming through,

763
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: and I put that strutter out on the hopes i'd

764
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: get him, and I kept having like nice good looking

765
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: birds come in and go I'm not I'm not going

766
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: to do that. I pulled it and replaced it with

767
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: the jake and the lay down hen and killed a

768
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: great bird, you know, the next morning. I mean, it's

769
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: just so it's kind of you're just you're just kind

770
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: of reading it and going, Okay, well this is this

771
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: is on today, or this just isn't doing it, and

772
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you start changing things up and pulling things out of

773
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the spread and going how can I how can I

774
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: get a different reaction? Is there a scenario where you'd

775
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: go decoy list completely um with shotguns a lot? Yeah,

776
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't mind sitting out there and just

777
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: calling with bull hunting. Probably not. I'll get down to

778
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: a single feeding hen or a single they call it

779
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: a leading hand, there's walking hand. But I would have

780
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: a hard time bull hunting without decoy shotguns. Yes, you know,

781
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: what's I think we should wrap it up here. We're

782
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: doing these you know, kind of short and sweet episodes

783
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: for our for our turkey deal here. What do you think,

784
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: if if there is anything, what is one thing you

785
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: do as a turkey hunter that most other hunters would

786
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: think weird or crazy or just not in anybody else's book.

787
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Is there anything out there that you're just a little

788
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: different on? Um? You know, maybe my calling style is

789
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: is real aggressive. I think a lot of people if

790
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: they saw how much I called in the you know,

791
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: I put some stank on it, I think they'd be like,

792
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: that's not that's not what we're used to. I think that.

793
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: I think the craziest thing that I do is I

794
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: spend a lot of days sitting dark to dark in

795
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: the same blind bow hunting turkeys. And you know those

796
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: those spring days are long, and that's that's when you, like,

797
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you want to talk about being bored in a quarantine

798
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: right now, when you're in your house, go sitt in

799
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: a freaking turkey blind for you know, fifteen hours in

800
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: a day, especially on a day when you know you

801
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: maybe have some cold weather something coming in, and it's

802
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: just shut down. Man. It is brutal, that is it's

803
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: tough to do all day sits for deer. It's I

804
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: can't do all day sis for turkeys. That's that takes

805
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: a certain amount of stamina that I'm impressed by, Tony.

806
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: It's it. It sucks, but it can be you know it.

807
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: It came that came from hunting Nebraska a lot in

808
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: the early season, where you know, when those birds are

809
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: flocked up in the morning and they're all on a

810
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: food source, you might not have a workable bird until

811
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the afternoon, but you don't know, and

812
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: so we'd go out and sit and you would have

813
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: just drudgery for like ten hours, and then all of

814
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: a sudden birded fire up in a new place and

815
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, coming through the brush or something, and it

816
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: just change everything. And so it it's stuck with me

817
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: that it's it can be worth it, But man, it

818
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: can be torture. I guess that's sort of the name

819
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: of the game of hunting. Sometimes you gotta push through

820
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: the tough stuff to occasionally have those special moments that

821
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: you're rewarded with. Right, yeah, big time? All right, Well, Tony,

822
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: thank you for talking turkey with me here today. Um,

823
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: it's always a good time. It's always pleasure. Thanks for

824
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: having me on, buddy. All right, Well that is it.

825
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed this second installment of

826
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: our bonus turkey hunting episodes. I think we mentioned it

827
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: towards the top, but if not, I just want to

828
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: remind you all that we have been putting out a

829
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: whole ton of turkey hunting articles over at the meat

830
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: eater dot com. I mean, we've got articles from Tony,

831
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: We've got articles from myself and a whole slew of

832
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: turkey hunters from all across the country, covering every imaginal topic.

833
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: How to kill a bird off the roost, how to

834
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: run and gun for turkeys, how to use different types

835
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: of decoys, different types of calls. I mean, we got

836
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: you covered, So I hope you're able to check those

837
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: out and put them to good use. Um. I know

838
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: times are tough right now for all sorts of different reasons.

839
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: You may not be able to get out on the

840
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: hunting trips like you used to be able to. But

841
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: I am hoping that you're able to find a little

842
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: time to get out there in the outdoors. Uh, for

843
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: no other reason than to just get back to a

844
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: tiny bit of normalcy um, a breath of fresh air,

845
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: and a turkey galbl can do wonders for a person.

846
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping you're safe. I'm hoping you're well and

847
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: that your family is is healthy too, And until next time,

848
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.