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Speaker 2: Now introducing our next guest, we have a special, special
Speaker 2: special guest today, one of the goats for sure, top
Speaker 2: seventy five in the NBA all time, four time for
Speaker 2: gold medalists, Mister Usa himself, NBA MVP, two time NBA Champion,
Speaker 2: two time NBA Finals.
Speaker 4: MVP, fifteen time All Star, the Smooth Operator, eleven time
Speaker 4: All NBA team Member, Rookie of the Year, Arsenal of weaponry, right,
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Speaker 4: on the floor, none other than the world famous legend
Speaker 4: in the making and continue Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5: Oh Man, appreciate that intro Man Helen intro Fellers.
Speaker 4: Damn, hey dog god, damn, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Feeling good about bla here we go. Yeah, that ship Wow,
Speaker 2: definitely one of the best. To have a touch of basketball.
Speaker 4: Man, Sure some honored man honored Ivy on the show.
Speaker 4: There's a gift of JMN talking to you in your
Speaker 4: ear that's widely used. Do you remember what Jamond was
Speaker 4: talking about in that moment just to kick the show off?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got asked that question a lot man. Everybody
Speaker 6: want to know what he was saying. I don't remember
Speaker 6: word for word, but it was he was more so
Speaker 6: gassing me up, more so than anything like it can't
Speaker 6: fuck me now, we can't stop you. He was gassing
Speaker 6: me up for sure. I see my excitement as he
Speaker 6: kept talking in my eyes. You know, I kept start
Speaker 6: smiling a bit, and he started cooking starting. I kept
Speaker 6: cooking that far.
Speaker 2: You know what I was telling you, he told the world.
Speaker 2: I was just telling him the same thing. You know
Speaker 2: who you are? You yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: Who you are? And then do that and that's got
Speaker 1: to play that role.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: You know KD one of them humble superstars.
Speaker 2: Bro, Like KD is like the thig of who you
Speaker 2: walk down the street and you like, that's my homie,
Speaker 2: like like probably one of the most approachable superstars around.
Speaker 2: And so I think when I'm on the court with
Speaker 2: him sometimes it's like he'll allow that same approach and
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, bro, like they're not good enough, like
Speaker 2: and they can't approach you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna remind you of.
Speaker 2: That because in my role, that's the type of time
Speaker 2: I need you on like at them at all times,
Speaker 2: and that same demeanor, it's why he is who he is,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But being also being able
Speaker 2: to just flip the switch like he can crazy. But
Speaker 2: every shot open brush seven feet, every shot he shoot
Speaker 2: is open.
Speaker 4: It's crazy on any court. I mean for me just
Speaker 4: you know, watching to come up. It's all about what
Speaker 4: you do when you at your peak, when you at
Speaker 4: the moments of where all eyes on you. And he
Speaker 4: never stopped hooping where all the hoopers was. You know,
Speaker 4: if you really fuck with Hoop and you're a real hooper,
Speaker 4: you gonna show up where you're supposed to show up,
Speaker 4: showing up at the Rutger. He came out here, he
Speaker 4: blessed me with the LA Unified game like he was,
Speaker 4: he played the whole game. But to embrace that next
Speaker 4: generation and to show where they show up at your
Speaker 4: superstar level, at your MVP level, like you can't say
Speaker 4: nothing else, you know, I watch that, and I say
Speaker 4: kudos to you for that, because ultimately that's what's carrying
Speaker 4: you now? Is that that spirit that like, all right,
Speaker 4: we're showing up? Are we hooping? Like already know I'm
Speaker 4: the top dog out here? You feel them saying?
Speaker 6: I mean I always looked up to them hoopers, the
Speaker 6: older dudes in the gym, who was of service to
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: They in there working on this game, in there helping
Speaker 6: the youngsters work on their game. They teaching the young
Speaker 6: dudes how to be a pro. Always admired that attitude
Speaker 6: and that approach, you know what I'm saying. And that's
Speaker 6: how always felt every time I stepped in the court,
Speaker 6: even as a young player, that I need to be
Speaker 6: a service to the game. Go out there and be coachable,
Speaker 6: work hard as I can in every drill, try to
Speaker 6: play the win every time I'm on the court, be
Speaker 6: a good teammate.
Speaker 5: So I always thought about that when I played, and.
Speaker 6: I got and I was inspired by a lot of
Speaker 6: the older dudes and the gym random dudes, and yeah,
Speaker 6: and I probably't even play a high school college ball,
Speaker 6: but just their approach to the game.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Out of all the places that you've shown up in hoop,
Speaker 2: like you said Rock and Drew. Out of all the
Speaker 2: places you've shown up and hoop, what would you say
Speaker 2: your top three experiences were, like outside of the NBA,
Speaker 2: just like you go play at the park next door,
Speaker 2: Like out of all of those places, what would you
Speaker 2: say your top two or three was?
Speaker 1: I have experiences like hoop.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I would say that first time, like after
Speaker 6: my rookie season, it was probably like a week had passed.
Speaker 6: We had just we had just played our last game
Speaker 6: my rookie year, and I went down to the Goodman
Speaker 6: League that first time as a pro full season, and
Speaker 6: I had sixty two that game. Jesus, but the dude
Speaker 6: I was playing against had like fifty two. Rest in people,
Speaker 6: God bless his soul, we passed away. He was he
Speaker 6: had actually played hogh d one too. He was a
Speaker 6: good player and it's online, but that that back and
Speaker 6: forth was like legendary in our city. You know, that
Speaker 6: was a memorable time. I would say that time. And
Speaker 6: then the first time I went to the drew, it
Speaker 6: was the drew before it's in the gym with is
Speaker 6: that now? You know what's the name of that first
Speaker 6: gym that was in Washington Park? Yeah, that one, And
Speaker 6: I played three games that day. They said that happened,
Speaker 6: like you can't just get you can't play on differ,
Speaker 6: you know, you can't be hopping on team, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to hoop the day, man, it was
Speaker 6: a lockout, so they let me play on three teams.
Speaker 6: I think that first game I played with Damar and
Speaker 6: then I think that was your I don't know it
Speaker 6: was the game tomorrow. I forget who else doing the
Speaker 6: team and I had threw it off the glass and
Speaker 6: don't yeah, and.
Speaker 5: In the crowd went stupid.
Speaker 6: And that's why I was like, Yeah, this LA basketball
Speaker 6: is what I wanted to This is that feeling I
Speaker 6: wanted when I wanted to come out here and hoop.
Speaker 6: That's why I moved to La in the off season
Speaker 6: just to get that a different level of hoop. You know,
Speaker 6: I hooped and did everything in DC, you know, outdoors
Speaker 6: and every gym I was, and I heard about how
Speaker 6: great the who was in LA, so I moved out
Speaker 6: there and that was kind of like my first time getting.
Speaker 3: Now was killing playing.
Speaker 6: I mean, so that was Yeah, that was a good
Speaker 6: That was a memorable time. And then the Rocker obviously
Speaker 6: was legend. That was crazy. That's always been a legendary court,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So those really gave me
Speaker 6: the same feeling that it felt in like an NBA
Speaker 6: game almost, And.
Speaker 2: You also spoke about just how you are Stewart Uh
Speaker 2: to the game number one. Congratulations bro, thirty thousand points.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of buckets.
Speaker 2: I still haven't reached team yet, but I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: there one day maybe. But I saw John gave you
Speaker 2: that ball job being a young fella and Nike, you know,
Speaker 2: what was that like just for you to share that
Speaker 2: moment with like y'all gonna you know, he keep put
Speaker 2: doing what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He gonna be a legend in his own right one
Speaker 1: day exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was especially it kind of it kind
Speaker 6: of fell on that day were playing against that team,
Speaker 6: you know, him and Jaron Jackson and Bane. I got
Speaker 6: a lot of respect for those young dudes, and they
Speaker 6: always compete hard and show me respect too and sort
Speaker 6: of play against them and for job to hand me
Speaker 6: the ball somebody I you know, been following since he
Speaker 6: was at Mary State and we kind of had a
Speaker 6: little relationship as well as he's coming up in the league.
Speaker 5: So it was sweet. Man.
Speaker 6: You know, I really respect how hard the younger generation
Speaker 6: plays and how much they respect the game. A lot
Speaker 6: of people don't say that about the young dudes, but
Speaker 6: these dudes, they know their history and they actually respect
Speaker 6: the game, and I appreciate that about them. And they
Speaker 6: hard workers too, you know what I'm saying. So try
Speaker 6: to do my part by going out there and staying
Speaker 6: at that level with that I'm at and competing hard
Speaker 6: against them, and they know it's not no cakewalk when
Speaker 6: they see me. I think that's a part of being
Speaker 6: who I am and being an older dude in the
Speaker 6: league is playing hard against them too, and you know,
Speaker 6: and leaving the game they respect it, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They want to.
Speaker 6: See how you are, right now all that shit you
Speaker 6: did before, it's cool, but they want they don't care
Speaker 6: about that. They want to see who you are tonight.
Speaker 6: And you know, so they keep me on that level
Speaker 6: with like that standard that I want to keep myself at.
Speaker 5: They help with that.
Speaker 4: You know, almost playing in two different decades, You've seen
Speaker 4: the game evolve, You've seen the style of play evolved.
Speaker 4: Can you talk about just eras which era for you
Speaker 4: is like the most exciting? And then being a VET
Speaker 4: in this new era, what does it feel like being like, damn, dude,
Speaker 4: I wish I was my younger self.
Speaker 6: I mean, I liked, I love this era of ball
Speaker 6: Man because it's just it's free flowing.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of space to work.
Speaker 6: We encouraged shoot more shots, to shoot deep threes. Like
Speaker 6: people talking about the players a lot about the three
Speaker 6: point shooting, but they don't realize how much our coaches
Speaker 6: and caarage just to shoot threes.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: We might have a film session strictly on like we
Speaker 6: need more threes up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's like.
Speaker 6: Having that encouragement from your coach to be aggressive to
Speaker 6: shooting the score is definitely better for me in this era.
Speaker 6: I mean the past eras were cool too. I got
Speaker 6: the freedom to shoot whenever I want, but my teammates
Speaker 6: they had that confidence.
Speaker 5: It's a little different.
Speaker 6: So now everybody feeling like they got confidence to go
Speaker 6: out there and score. That makes it easier for everybody.
Speaker 6: So I enjoyed this air a little bit more just
Speaker 6: for that simple fact. And it's just the amount of
Speaker 6: athleticism and skill that you see in the lead from
Speaker 6: all positions. Now it's just crazy to see, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So the evolutionary it was fun to
Speaker 6: play in it and see it, you know, in real time.
Speaker 2: As someone though, who doesn't like you'll get forty points
Speaker 2: for two in attempt two threes.
Speaker 1: That's somebody who can shoot.
Speaker 2: The out of the three ball, but doesn't necessarily shoot
Speaker 2: a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: Do you think some guys being.
Speaker 2: So confident to shoot sometimes become a problem for these
Speaker 2: teams though?
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, for sure, it's plenty of times where
Speaker 6: you might have to you could have turned that one
Speaker 6: down and got something better instead of you pulling this
Speaker 6: three over contest and you zero for five for the night.
Speaker 6: It's definitely a double air of Sward through all of that.
Speaker 6: I mean, when it's great though, it's like the peak
Speaker 6: of basketball. But when it's bad, we got to live
Speaker 6: with both sides of that. But players could turn down
Speaker 6: some of those threes, especially if you're not hot, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, to find a better shot or
Speaker 6: maybe get closer to the rim. Yeah, but overall, I
Speaker 6: think it's I think it's pushed the game to new heights.
Speaker 4: As a vet, dug, do you find yourself when you're
Speaker 4: talking to the young guys saying like, man, when I
Speaker 4: was your age, and then thinking about like, actually, when
Speaker 4: you were their age in this era, Like what would
Speaker 4: the Golden State Warrior you know, okay, see Duransela look
Speaker 4: like playing against these young dudes, you'd be talking shit
Speaker 4: too every night because you be barking at him. I
Speaker 4: didn't know you bark like that. Oh, you be barking
Speaker 4: at him. So I wonder what's your thoughts?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I think that up the level of the
Speaker 6: game when you yea, when you're engaged like that, I think,
Speaker 6: I think, more so than anything, my mentality as I
Speaker 6: got older, I wish I was thinking a little bit
Speaker 6: like this when I was younger, Whereas yeah, coming into
Speaker 6: the game, I was superstitious early on. When I come
Speaker 6: into I feel like everything had to be right for
Speaker 6: me to play well. I was just overthinking a lot
Speaker 6: of things out there. I think as got older, more experience,
Speaker 6: and you reach some success, you kind of relax a
Speaker 6: bit on, like, you know, just let the game come
Speaker 6: to you and play your game instead of trying to
Speaker 6: force things, you know what I'm saying, And you know
Speaker 6: exactly when you need to press the issue and when
Speaker 6: you don't. I think as a young player, you just
Speaker 6: always pressing the issue, trying to figure it out, and
Speaker 6: I would have more bad games than I would want
Speaker 6: to at that age. Now you know I'm not playing
Speaker 6: you know I might shoot it bad, you know every
Speaker 6: once in a while, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 6: I just feel more relaxed coming into the games, you know,
Speaker 6: making me execute a little better. So I wish I
Speaker 6: had that mentality early on in my career, but it
Speaker 6: worked out either way.
Speaker 4: A few weeks ago, you said you didn't want to
Speaker 4: be traded in the middle of the season, which is
Speaker 4: why you didn't come to the Warriors, which I thought
Speaker 4: was gonna happen. I was at the game. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: KD came over here. He showed me love.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we about to get KD. Do
Speaker 3: you want your career to end in Phoenix?
Speaker 5: Man, I want my career to end on my terms.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing.
Speaker 6: Then, God, that's the only thing I'm worried about, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's all that matter.
Speaker 6: Because I see a lot of dudes that don't get
Speaker 6: that opportunity, you know what I'm saying. So I want
Speaker 6: to keep putting in that work to make that choice
Speaker 6: on my own. But as far as the Warrior, I
Speaker 6: just didn't think it was you know, and then I
Speaker 6: didn't want to move. And then it's a player like me.
Speaker 6: I just I cost a lot. I cost me going
Speaker 6: into your team is gonna make It's gonna be a
Speaker 6: whole new era of your team when I get to
Speaker 6: your team, you know what I'm saying. So, and that's
Speaker 6: a lot of work and change for the season. Like
Speaker 6: I'm still a value, you know what I'm saying, especially
Speaker 6: in my contract and just my production. That me just
Speaker 6: getting up and moving in the middle of season, it's
Speaker 6: going to be a big blow to any team I'm
Speaker 6: going to, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 6: I get while y'all want to trade me, and you know,
Speaker 6: y'all looking at it just from simple fact that's just business,
Speaker 6: But from me looking at it, I'm just like, it
Speaker 6: just don't make sense for either side right now to
Speaker 6: go go through that, you know what I'm saying, when
Speaker 6: we just played the season out and if that's the
Speaker 6: decision you want to make, you know in the off season,
Speaker 6: then you know.
Speaker 5: You figure it out. It's just such a big.
Speaker 6: Change to make and I've been through it before us Like, damn,
Speaker 6: it's not really it.
Speaker 3: It ain't the right move, like to be able, and
Speaker 3: I wonder in the.
Speaker 4: Middle of the scenes all that twenty six games left,
Speaker 4: you know, if I.
Speaker 6: Can't stop it, then why not you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But and then the narratives that's gonna come with all
Speaker 6: that ship. It was just like, you know, you don't
Speaker 6: want to go state of You don't want to go
Speaker 6: play with Draymond no more. You don't want to even
Speaker 6: narrative that in your way. You don't want to go back.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, that shit is annoying. I don't
Speaker 6: like it. But I can play under like you know
Speaker 6: know what, like the type of shit that people say.
Speaker 6: I mean, I could play under it, the noise. It's
Speaker 6: a simple fact that like it's no need. I didn't
Speaker 6: feel like it was a need to, you know, make
Speaker 6: that big of a change right now. It didn't make
Speaker 6: sense to me.
Speaker 5: I tried to.
Speaker 6: I'm glad it was, you know in looking look at
Speaker 6: look what you're doing right now, Dre, y'all looking good, Jimmy,
Speaker 6: And then you still got coming on the way back,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I didn't think it made sense.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no. I think a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 2: what you're going through. That in Phoenix of the Midnight
Speaker 2: Hour Trade Bridges leave, I think Aiden left, no Cam Johnson,
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson, Bridges, Cam Johnson.
Speaker 1: Those were big gaps, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: To try to fill those holes, you make that move
Speaker 2: in offseason there may be a third team, you can
Speaker 2: get involved in different stuff where you don't have to
Speaker 2: deplete your whole team during the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: That is very tough to do, and I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize.
Speaker 2: And then, like you said, also being at your age,
Speaker 2: like I think everybody still look at you like you
Speaker 2: a spring chicken because of the way you play, So
Speaker 2: you still hooping at the same level, but you're set
Speaker 2: in your life and in your ways at this age
Speaker 2: to just up and lead that is a lot like
Speaker 2: for Jimmy needed that, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: Jimmy needed a change.
Speaker 1: That was a different thing.
Speaker 2: But you know, if he didn't want that change before,
Speaker 2: which is probably why he was never traded before, because
Speaker 2: y'all do have that type of power to say nah,
Speaker 2: And no franchise ultimately want to disrespect guys like y'all
Speaker 2: because if they do, how do you ever get another one?
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: I just want to see it, you know, when you
Speaker 6: commit to something and a season like that and it's
Speaker 6: like everybody still nobody's like big injuries, like everybody's in
Speaker 6: the lineup, and like, you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 6: trying to see this through to the end and see
Speaker 6: what we can really do with it, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. So and I feel like I'm committed to
Speaker 6: my coaches and teammates and I want to see it through.
Speaker 5: So mean, I wanted to lock in on.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like y'all have a good team. Man,
Speaker 2: y'all we've obviously every time we play us a battle.
Speaker 2: I always tell people, man, when I play against you
Speaker 2: last night against Clay Plague Kyrie, right, like play against
Speaker 2: bron like bro.
Speaker 1: When we play those games, man, it's just.
Speaker 2: Like the level of play, the level of thinking that
Speaker 2: is amongst us when we're playing those games, like that's
Speaker 2: when I had the most fun. That's why I was
Speaker 2: saying on Star Weekend when I said the game is born.
Speaker 2: What I said it after that was because we played
Speaker 2: bron them last week and I'm waiting for him to
Speaker 2: slightly turn his head that way so I can go
Speaker 2: help over because if I lean this way and he
Speaker 2: ain't turned his head, yeah, he getting that pass to
Speaker 2: there's a dunk, right, Like people don't understand the level
Speaker 2: we be at when we're playing against each other, and
Speaker 2: it always takes me back to the matchups, Like, regardless
Speaker 2: of how great we were when you were here, we
Speaker 2: still had to play chess against Bron in order to.
Speaker 9: Beat them for sure, for sure, And so I feel
Speaker 9: like we don't get a bunch of that now, Like
Speaker 9: I get that when I play against you, where I
Speaker 9: feel like every second, like you see how locked in
Speaker 9: when I play every second, I have to be locked
Speaker 9: in on the defensive possession because if I let off
Speaker 9: for one minute, I.
Speaker 1: Saw you need it's a Swiss second.
Speaker 2: And I also think, though, okay, that's why you steph Bron, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: that's why y'all still playing at such a high level.
Speaker 2: Because I also don't think these younger guys realize when
Speaker 2: guarding y'all how they have to be on every second.
Speaker 1: Do you see some of that in my off.
Speaker 6: Nah, You're right, I feel like when you've been through
Speaker 6: some of the battles though that we've been through in
Speaker 6: the playoffs and those moments that you've been through. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the younger dudes haven't experienced that. Whereas coaching is out
Speaker 6: the way, schemes is out the way, and it's all
Speaker 6: about the will, the talent.
Speaker 5: And the cerebral game, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: In many playoffs games where it's like, all right, dog,
Speaker 6: they know every play we running, We know every play
Speaker 6: they running, and most of the time just gonna be
Speaker 6: like who can beat they man?
Speaker 5: And who can guard they man? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And so most of them times it's just like you
Speaker 6: see when we play Cleveland, it's all right, who can
Speaker 6: bron pick on? You know what I'm saying, And how
Speaker 6: can we You want to try to get step up there?
Speaker 6: All right, we're gonna steph gonna run up the screen,
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna make sure I try to trail him
Speaker 6: as much as I can and switch him off the
Speaker 6: screen to waste a little bit of your time. So
Speaker 6: by you try to get step up there four five
Speaker 6: seconds on the clock, that's the type of thinking we
Speaker 6: was on time those games when coaches not in the way,
Speaker 6: schemes not in a way. We know all of that stuff. Now,
Speaker 6: let's just go who the younger Dudy's gonna get there?
Speaker 6: You never you know, they might get that experience, they
Speaker 6: might not. But we've been through those battles against not
Speaker 6: just bron but just even guys that haven't wont playing
Speaker 6: against the Spurs, playing against the Memphis Grizzlies, you know,
Speaker 6: planning against the Clippers, the Live City Clippers. It's just
Speaker 6: like gain going to game six or seven with these teams,
Speaker 6: like we was going.
Speaker 1: To y'all are ok Houston. It's as hard as hell.
Speaker 5: Man, And it wasn't a lot of sweeps.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It was game six, Game sevens. You know, like when
Speaker 6: you when you're thinking on that level, when it's past coaching,
Speaker 6: when it's past all of that, when it's just y'all
Speaker 6: on the floor controlling the game, that's the level. So
Speaker 6: when you see guys that have been on that level
Speaker 6: before you Kyrie, Steph Even, I would say JT now
Speaker 6: he played a lot of playoffs, Brown Daylen Brown, I
Speaker 6: would say Gianni's played a lot of playoff game.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: They know it's that level of detail late in the
Speaker 6: season that you gotta play with, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So I think the young dudes gonna get to that point.
Speaker 6: You see a playoff he got some playoff games under
Speaker 6: his belt. He's gonna get there, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 6: and once they reached that level, I think that's when
Speaker 6: you'll start to see you know what I mean that
Speaker 6: get that again?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's trial and error. And I always say
Speaker 4: basketball is timing. Having much time you can consume, having
Speaker 4: much time you can disrupt as a defender for an
Speaker 4: offensive person, that's really you know, you get in these
Speaker 4: intricate moments where you have to be just as smart
Speaker 4: as the person that you're going up against, right exactly,
Speaker 4: talk about just your mentality down the stretch. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the pedigree, I'm looking at the accolades.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, what is the unlocked right, what
Speaker 4: we like? What the hell are you thinking when it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: it's time for me to go five levels up?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I try to relax as much as possible and stick
Speaker 6: to the fundamentals. I don't want to try know their shot.
Speaker 6: I mean, no, no heat checked shots late in the game,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. I try to stay away
Speaker 6: from those, So I just try to keep it at
Speaker 6: the fundamentals, finding places on the court where I know
Speaker 6: I'm gonna knock those shots down or get a good
Speaker 6: shot up. And most of the time when I'm thinking
Speaker 6: like that in the fourth I gouts some success, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So and then I.
Speaker 6: Had times where I'm rushing and I want it so bad,
Speaker 6: I want to win so bad, and then I'm rushing
Speaker 6: shots and now I'm missing, and now we lose the game.
Speaker 6: But all of that stuff is, you know, trialing error.
Speaker 6: Like you said, you learn from it, and it was
Speaker 6: a common denominator for me. It's just if I relaxed
Speaker 6: late in the game and approach it just like I
Speaker 6: approached the first quarter, then it was easier for me.
Speaker 2: Unless the year is twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 2: you get the ball to that left hand on the
Speaker 2: left coming in and the left left quad you know
Speaker 2: that left slot area and you're walking into it from
Speaker 2: thirty seven feet unless unless it's that and here in Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 2: unless it's that situation.
Speaker 1: Now check shot and he wound out what that.
Speaker 5: Let out with the dagger. The dagger, alright, I might
Speaker 5: pull that motherfucker from deep.
Speaker 4: Hey man, I have to run out the studio that
Speaker 4: one that was one of them. Oh, I have to
Speaker 4: run out the studio and plex on everybody watching that live.
Speaker 2: I see I see that coming. Kgo right to left.
Speaker 2: He put that ball in that left hand.
Speaker 6: You dead jam that left hand.
Speaker 2: Every time that left You gotta beat me, bro, because
Speaker 2: he once he get into the shot, there's nothing you
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: He can jumping forward.
Speaker 2: And he's seven ft and the ball up here, so
Speaker 2: you get no good contest once he get into the shot.
Speaker 2: The best you're gonna do, you're going to file. And
Speaker 2: with the rhythm he have on that shot, even if
Speaker 2: you file.
Speaker 1: He make it.
Speaker 5: I feel good that rhy you got a jammie early
Speaker 5: if you shut the way.
Speaker 4: Man, because I did, I honor playing which you playing
Speaker 4: against you. I like just the progression. I was telling
Speaker 4: the story where uh you know I claim the fame
Speaker 4: against KD.
Speaker 3: Is you know KD. I picked you like three.
Speaker 10: Times, bro liitching everything, and hey bro, he was coming
Speaker 10: off the switch.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was jamming that left hand too.
Speaker 4: Come back the end of the season, remember the end
Speaker 4: of the season. I don't know what. I don't know
Speaker 4: what you was on, but you was mad as him.
Speaker 4: He started coming with the crossboom pulling up. I said, okay, dude,
Speaker 4: my number of years are short because he played it too.
Speaker 4: He playing it too. I got and.
Speaker 1: I remember that game.
Speaker 5: That was my last game our rookie season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, you was killing.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I was like, these dudes is tough. Man.
Speaker 5: They switching everything.
Speaker 6: They was the first small ball team that I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: they could have played in this area where they played
Speaker 6: with y'all don't hearing and y'all just switched all them
Speaker 6: actions and I had to play y'all one on one.
Speaker 5: Y'all was fishing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, that last game boy you put on. We was like, damn.
Speaker 4: I remember Jack came up to you. I came up
Speaker 4: to you, was like, damn, bro, I ain't nobody. Nobody
Speaker 4: gonna be able to Nelly was like guard. It was like, man,
Speaker 4: we can't guard him. Get out of here. It's over.
Speaker 4: Doug season, over Dumb Nation.
Speaker 3: What up?
Speaker 4: Got some questions coming out from dumb Nation. Do you
Speaker 4: think people are still mad at you for playing with
Speaker 4: the Warriors.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure some people are not gonna like,
Speaker 5: let it go. I don't. I'm gonna say they mad.
Speaker 6: They're still angry about it, but I don't think they're
Speaker 6: gonna forget that I went to the Warriors. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. It's gonna always be a talking point
Speaker 6: when it comes to my career. But I don't give
Speaker 6: a ship. We did some incredible things and we got
Speaker 6: some of the most fun times of my life moving
Speaker 6: around as a warrior. So it's gonna be people that
Speaker 6: love it. It's gonna be people that hate it, man,
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, it happened.
Speaker 3: And it was great and were happy it. Dick, is
Speaker 3: it the dynasty?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Man, got to say, see you at the peak of
Speaker 4: your career and your moment. And so when you think
Speaker 4: about when time passed and people are like, damn, bro,
Speaker 4: like we wish just for a stayed together for you know,
Speaker 4: three four more years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gonna say that.
Speaker 6: They won't say that, but when they should just be
Speaker 6: you know, going back and watching that footage so they
Speaker 6: can learn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part.
Speaker 2: You hear people say that shit all the time, and
Speaker 2: the reality is twenty and fifteen to twenty nineteen, it's
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the best era of NBA basketball for
Speaker 2: the best five year stretch of NBA basketball in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But regardless if that's your opinion or not, you may say, oh,
Speaker 2: it was the show talent.
Speaker 1: It is somewhere in the top three, which the Manta Gods.
Speaker 2: That's coming to NBA. That's a big deal. And you
Speaker 2: coming to the Warriors elevated it so much to where
Speaker 2: that's why it became. It doesn't become that we never
Speaker 2: we never really experienced the era of basketball we experienced
Speaker 2: had you not came to the Warriors. That's actually what
Speaker 2: elevated the game because it elevated teams because then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden it was like, oh, whoa wait, we
Speaker 2: got a build to beat them, and that dude elevated
Speaker 2: the team and elevated skill sets.
Speaker 1: I think it elevated so much in my opinion.
Speaker 5: No, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 6: And as I was making that decision to leave Okay, see,
Speaker 6: it was like, all right, if I stay at Okay, See,
Speaker 6: I think I'm passing up on something so incredible that
Speaker 6: I don't know if I could just pass this up.
Speaker 5: This ain't this no regular opportunity.
Speaker 6: That's how I was feeling, and I didn't know exactly
Speaker 6: how it would play off, obviously, but it just felt
Speaker 6: like this would be a huge, huge shifting moment, and
Speaker 6: not just to people that consumed the game, but just
Speaker 6: how the game is played itself, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Like this seemed like something that can't turn down right now,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And it turned out to
Speaker 6: be that big and I agree, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: There was so many great teams like sixty seven win
Speaker 6: Spurs that year, y'all won seventy three, then Cleave sixteen
Speaker 6: and had won with fourteen in the playoffs. I think
Speaker 6: when they picked fourteen and one, it was like insane
Speaker 6: shit that was going on team wise and individual player wise,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We were seeing that.
Speaker 6: That's when Kawhi started to emerge to become a superstar
Speaker 6: from there.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's when y'all the Warriors started to come around twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6: That's when you know, you Steph Clay started to you know,
Speaker 6: jump on to be All Stars every year, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So Kyrie started playing with bron that year. We've seen
Speaker 2: Kyrie in a totally different.
Speaker 5: Light exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So it was a it was a lot of shift
Speaker 6: and like you know dudes that are transformed to be like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's stars now, these dudes are superstars too. Now what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, it was a few extra dudes that you
Speaker 6: weren't expecting, like a.
Speaker 2: Why like us James James had just kind of left
Speaker 2: when that happened, and James became James.
Speaker 5: James James, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like even Steph, I mean Steph was at then all
Speaker 6: star level, but he has snded to like god teer
Speaker 6: levels around that time, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 6: when you see these dudes, you know, even myself, you know,
Speaker 6: going from MVP, you know what I'm saying, and you
Speaker 6: see everybody is sitting with the road, you know, just
Speaker 6: go down the line.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody leveled.
Speaker 6: Up, everybody left up at that time, and it all
Speaker 6: felt like at the same time. And when you go
Speaker 6: from seeing dudes become young stars to super megastars just
Speaker 6: going you know, push the league forward for the next
Speaker 6: ten years, it's just like, wow, that ship, that shit
Speaker 6: happened quick and surprised us too, you know, because it
Speaker 6: was so used to the Kobe Shock era of things
Speaker 6: that slowed down pace of guards back in the back
Speaker 6: of you down all the way down court. It was
Speaker 6: very rare. You see a b d or Steve fran
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Or now you were seeing
Speaker 6: these dudes every night, every night. So I think the
Speaker 6: players that went to the next level and then the
Speaker 6: team building that went to the next level too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good time.
Speaker 4: It allowed for everybody to assume their superstar power, and
Speaker 4: then it allowed for some consolidation for like super combat,
Speaker 4: because like you were saying, y'all wasn't sweeping people. It
Speaker 4: was game six Memphis. Memphis had had a consolidated, curated
Speaker 4: you know all stars gasol Z bomp. Right, people start
Speaker 4: putting together the right engine in the teams you leave, okay,
Speaker 4: see you go to the Warriors, that becomes super dynamic. Okay,
Speaker 4: see still become you know. It allowed Russ to become
Speaker 4: a superstar. James go to Houston, he become a superstar. Right,
Speaker 4: you got Dumar in Toronto, you got PG, then you
Speaker 4: got p Yeah, then you got PG with us. So
Speaker 4: the Dame emerge right.
Speaker 2: Became a nine time All Star off to not make
Speaker 2: it All Star for like his first six or seven
Speaker 2: years or.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 6: It was it was a boom that players were just
Speaker 6: stepping it up a level throughout the whole league, which
Speaker 6: made teams better, you know what I'm saying. And it
Speaker 6: was just a perfect time, man, You've seen it. Dudes
Speaker 6: was working their asses and I think that a lot
Speaker 6: of the reason that come about was we we we
Speaker 6: hooped a lot in the summers with each other. We
Speaker 6: knew each other Team USA, so we was kind of
Speaker 6: like shopping in each other throughout the league, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Absolute CP and James cep was at the peak his
Speaker 2: PowerP and Flake it was going on.
Speaker 5: Around that time. It was that was that was a
Speaker 5: great time.
Speaker 3: Man was cracking.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we won championships together, gold medals together. This past summer,
Speaker 2: you got it, you won another gold medal this time
Speaker 2: was Steph. What was a moment that you and Steph had,
Speaker 2: you know, or something teaming up that you haven't spoke
Speaker 2: about especially man on that level, Bro, that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was level.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean it was like when you got on the
Speaker 6: when I got back on the floor with Steph as
Speaker 6: a teammate that first few games. It was like that
Speaker 6: non verbal because you know, it's a certain way that
Speaker 6: you got to like play with Steph. You know, he
Speaker 6: giving the ball up knowing that I now I'm flying
Speaker 6: back off this pandem make sure you look for me.
Speaker 6: And a lot of dudes a team us say didn't
Speaker 6: quite understand that what I'm saying. So when I was
Speaker 6: getting the game, I was like, all right, let mean,
Speaker 6: let me see what he about to do real quick.
Speaker 6: Because he give us up. That don't mean he gonna stand.
Speaker 6: He gonna run around somewhere try to get open. I
Speaker 6: was like, I felt like I was the only one
Speaker 6: on the court that knew what he was thinking, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying on the aide of the ball.
Speaker 6: So it's like it's like we have to say much,
Speaker 6: but I kind of knew, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's when all those yids playing together and watching film
Speaker 6: together and figuring it out. It's like that was cool
Speaker 6: to fill the game, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 6: we worked that way up to that and go to State,
Speaker 6: but we ain't have to talk to you. I kind
Speaker 6: of knew what he was thinking and vice versa. So
Speaker 6: to bring that feeling back on team USA was special.
Speaker 6: And then obviously those last two games. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, just how he's he's that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: He made like he made nine threes that game against Serbia,
Speaker 6: and then what he did against France, those last few shots.
Speaker 6: It was just perfect because you always wanted that moment.
Speaker 6: You could tell he did want He wanted the gold
Speaker 6: medal in the Olympics. He had one for uh, the
Speaker 6: World Championships, but two of them, two of them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you tell he wanted that Olympic moment. So but to
Speaker 6: be like that, man, that was crazy. That's something he
Speaker 6: can always remember.
Speaker 1: I got a secret. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: But if I tell you this secret, you got a
Speaker 2: promise is just know that it's my secret. Hey, you
Speaker 2: gotta you can't do nothing about it. I got the
Speaker 2: ball from when you broke the USA scoring records.
Speaker 5: Why do you got that?
Speaker 1: That's crazy? I got that ball.
Speaker 3: Somebody had to keep it.
Speaker 2: Because but after that game, your ball, and then you
Speaker 2: left it sitting somewhere, and I was like, he do
Speaker 2: I want this ball?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, I got the ball here, man,
Speaker 1: I know it over there.
Speaker 5: Man, so.
Speaker 1: I just need your signature and her brin gonna sell it.
Speaker 4: But I was, you know over there, Man's that's one
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 2: Ones I got a chance to play with the ghost.
Speaker 2: You think I don't want to hold onto that? Come on, man,
Speaker 2: this is crazy to me. So I appreciate that. But man,
Speaker 2: k you got four Olympic gold medals. You still I
Speaker 2: heard you for the first time talk about retirement maybe
Speaker 2: within the last three weeks, and you said I think
Speaker 2: about it all the time or something like that. Me personally,
Speaker 2: I know you love just playing basketball. Is there some
Speaker 2: chance you go get five Olympic gold medals in l A, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a chance. There's a chance.
Speaker 6: My thing always being is like I want to still
Speaker 6: be on this level that I'm playing that when that
Speaker 6: time comes around, I don't want that. Don't give me
Speaker 6: that og man. Just come be one of the guys
Speaker 6: and we need your presence type now. I want to
Speaker 6: hoop if I go out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And I want to be counted on to play minutes,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And you need me to
Speaker 6: knock down shots to help the team type shit. I
Speaker 6: don't want that farewell shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That you can get that spot to a youngster that
Speaker 6: haven't experienced you know what I'm saying. So if I'm
Speaker 6: up to that level and I'm still hooping at that
Speaker 6: level and I expect myself to be, then yeah, I
Speaker 6: would definitely love to be a part of that, especially
Speaker 6: being in LA.
Speaker 4: Like being on a home saw you that's gonna be crazy,
Speaker 4: It's gonna be stupid. That's gonna go crazy, stupid. And
Speaker 4: you've been hooping for a long time. Do you ever think,
Speaker 4: like nineteen twenty when you came in the league and
Speaker 4: now you're looking at the Olympics, you know, you're looking
Speaker 4: at you know, the back end your career.
Speaker 3: What is the final chapter right look like for you?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 3: How do you want to paint that final chapter?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: I don't even Man, that's a good question, I mean,
Speaker 6: and it's hard to say right now. Obviously I can't
Speaker 6: predict the future. But like I said, I just want
Speaker 6: to be I want to be healthy and make that
Speaker 6: choice of my own and be able to, you know,
Speaker 6: lead a game the way I want to leave it.
Speaker 6: And I want to just keep building with you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, you know, the young the young players
Speaker 6: in the league throughout the you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I just want to be respected, you know, respected as
Speaker 6: one of the guys that can pour back into the
Speaker 6: younger generation of players. But still hoop on that level
Speaker 6: with him too though, like compete on that with him too.
Speaker 6: That's why that's how I want my career. I want
Speaker 6: to still be nice, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I want to be the
Speaker 6: old dude like yo, he's still like you know, might
Speaker 6: call him back when he's forty two forty saying that's
Speaker 6: the type of vibe I would to have when I
Speaker 6: leave the game, you know. And I don't want to
Speaker 6: just hang around just to hang around, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. So wherever that or whoever I'm playing with.
Speaker 4: But it's gotta be buckets once you're not a bucket
Speaker 4: no more. You ain't coming off the bench sitting on
Speaker 4: the bench saying come on, young fella, you can do it.
Speaker 6: Come off and see I could come off. I can
Speaker 6: come off the bench and the jamaa off the type
Speaker 6: of role, you know, it's gotta be buckets. If I'm
Speaker 6: doing that, then that wouldn't be too bad. But I can't.
Speaker 5: God damn seven eighty.
Speaker 3: To stretch for stretch five man.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: Okay, when you when you look back at your career,
Speaker 2: what would you look at as say that was the
Speaker 2: biggest turning point in my career?
Speaker 1: Because like, we go through turning points.
Speaker 2: At every level, right like you was at Montrous Christian Leeve,
Speaker 2: you know, go to Oak Hill. There's like turning points
Speaker 2: at every level. Which one would you look at in
Speaker 2: your life to say it could have been like you've
Speaker 2: torn Achilles? Right, like, yeah, yeah, I get What turning
Speaker 2: point do you look at in your life and say
Speaker 2: that was the biggest one? Regardless of where I was
Speaker 2: at that point of my life.
Speaker 6: I would say I would say two thy and twelve,
Speaker 6: twenty and thirteen, like that summer after that season we
Speaker 6: went to the finals that summer going to the Olympics,
Speaker 6: and then that season right around that season, I think
Speaker 6: that's when I started to I had a trainer, his
Speaker 6: name was Justine or Mellow, and he would break down
Speaker 6: all the analytics so what my best shots was from
Speaker 6: where I shoot from the best on the floor and
Speaker 6: would work out with that in mind, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. And so once I started making that transition
Speaker 6: of like, all right, seeing the game from a numbers perspective,
Speaker 6: seeing the game from an efficiency perspective, slowing the game down,
Speaker 6: around that time, I think that was a turning point
Speaker 6: for my all core game. And then right that's when
Speaker 6: James had got traded too, so I had more responsibility
Speaker 6: as a ball handler. So my assist went up my
Speaker 6: playmaking and my decision making, you know.
Speaker 5: It, You know I had.
Speaker 6: I had to figure that out, you know, a little
Speaker 6: bit quicker than I did before, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And I upgraded that too, just how I see the game.
Speaker 6: So right around that time all that was happening, I
Speaker 6: think that's when I turned into a different player or
Speaker 6: just stepped it up a level in my just my
Speaker 6: overall game.
Speaker 1: And having the opportunity to play with you.
Speaker 2: That's how your mind worked now, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: people understand how you going eight for twelve for twenty
Speaker 2: seven points, Like that's what you want? Like you don't
Speaker 2: want You're not the guy that want shots again? You
Speaker 2: want twelve shots in twenty seven points?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I always felt I felt like it was harder
Speaker 6: to get your shit off with a small amount of opportunities,
Speaker 6: so always, and that's what I trained for. In the summer.
Speaker 6: It was just like, can you make every shot though?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. And I was like, that's
Speaker 6: hard to do. But I trained like that in the summertime.
Speaker 6: And then that season that was talking about twenty thirteen,
Speaker 6: I was I think that was the first time I
Speaker 6: did fifty forty ninety. So I always programmed like, all right,
Speaker 6: can I how can I go thirteen? I mean, can
Speaker 6: I go ten for thirteen and still get twenty seven
Speaker 6: at night? And when I started doing it, I was like,
Speaker 6: oh shit, I think I think I got something, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And then I'm able to do more on the court.
Speaker 6: As far as playing defense, making passes, you know, passing
Speaker 6: up shots for a better shot for my teammate, because
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, I know at each opportunity means something,
Speaker 6: So I got to take a good shot every time
Speaker 6: down That's how I was thinking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what'smissing. And to day's game. Right
Speaker 4: when you first came in the league, you probably get
Speaker 4: fifteen seventeen shots, so you had to be efficient. So
Speaker 4: like the chase for efficiency is the DNA throughout your
Speaker 4: whole narrative and your game. And looking at the young
Speaker 4: dudes now, they don't have that, they don't have an
Speaker 4: efficiency rating, right, It's just get a high volume of
Speaker 4: shots up if I get hot, right. But it's almost
Speaker 4: like it's like playing the slot machines y right with
Speaker 4: a little better odds.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's encouraged though. I keep saying that,
Speaker 6: like we can't just keep that, you know, putting the
Speaker 6: coaches out on the forefront now telling us, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, to be this aggressive throughout the game
Speaker 6: and to get up more, to do more, to shoot
Speaker 6: more threes, and you know what I'm saying. And sometimes
Speaker 6: that efficiency when you shoot a lot of threes in
Speaker 6: the games. I see some dudes shoot nine ten threes
Speaker 6: in the game. Compromise that like, you know, making half
Speaker 6: your shots, you know what I'm saying, right, you know
Speaker 6: your forty percent, even thirty five, thirty six percent is
Speaker 6: considered good.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm right, that's making three three and
Speaker 3: a half.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you four to eleven from the three,
Speaker 6: like all right, that's the standard that I'm at.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: If I'm twelve for twenty five from the field, I
Speaker 6: still had thirty two. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 6: that's a good stand. That's a that's a good number.
Speaker 6: Forty seven percent ain't bad from the field. But it's
Speaker 6: like a few of them shots. You probably could have
Speaker 6: made seventeen for twenty five if you wouldn't have took
Speaker 6: four of those threes, and you might have stepped in
Speaker 6: and made a little layup or pull up jump shot.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's the type game I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about.
Speaker 6: But now it's just like, let's get them up and
Speaker 6: you know it's gonna be some high number of games.
Speaker 5: Dude, gonna get forty fifty that way, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 6: The way playing, it's like you might not hit a
Speaker 6: big number of points. You might just be consistently at
Speaker 6: twenty to twenty five or twenty five to thirty, you
Speaker 6: see what I mean.
Speaker 5: So you know it's a matter of approach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I left the league in three point attempts.
Speaker 3: I make.
Speaker 4: Nine ten threes a game. When it wasn't cool. It
Speaker 4: wasn't but they used to throw me the ball. When
Speaker 4: I was in New Orleans, they used to throw me
Speaker 4: the ball with five seconds on the clock. You got
Speaker 4: so we running, so half of those was, you know,
Speaker 4: against the clock. But I know what you I know
Speaker 4: what you mean, but I don't know what you mean
Speaker 4: because life is easy in your world. Well, we want
Speaker 4: to jump to around the league. I saw your tweet
Speaker 4: about the NBA taking a week off doing All Star
Speaker 4: weekend and canceling the event. So could you please explain
Speaker 4: yourself and communicate this to our NBA fans.
Speaker 6: I just think the fans don't like anything they gonna find.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm like, they don't find one thing
Speaker 6: and it's not perfect, totally perfect, then they don't look
Speaker 6: and I'm just like at this point, now, let's just
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 6: So y'all won't drive yourself crazy watching this shit. Man,
Speaker 6: I went better for y'all cause they don't like nothing
Speaker 6: that goes on. I'm like, like, man, y'all need to
Speaker 6: play harder in the All Star Game. And like I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 6: just like that's so easy for they how to say?
Speaker 6: How about y'all come up with? Like why do you
Speaker 6: think the games are getting out of hand like this,
Speaker 6: Why do you duds aren't like playing up to your standards.
Speaker 6: It's just like, like nobody giving me a solution on that.
Speaker 6: It's just a bunch of It's just a bunch of
Speaker 6: complaining and ideas of how to change some the whole
Speaker 6: fabric of the games. Like yo, we should change the
Speaker 6: like shorten three point line, or I mean take away
Speaker 6: the three point the corner three, or like y'all should
Speaker 6: be limited to shooting twenty five threes a game. I'm
Speaker 6: just like, man, stop the game. So that was my
Speaker 6: whole thing, is like, man, let's just get rid of
Speaker 6: Man the All Star weekend so the fans.
Speaker 3: So they could be happy.
Speaker 5: They could be.
Speaker 6: Finally happy about right, it's getting out of hand, man.
Speaker 2: I think fans and media has as much impact on
Speaker 2: the state of the game today than anybody think.
Speaker 5: That's the underrated part.
Speaker 6: It's kind of tab boo to talk about the fans
Speaker 6: or to criticize the fans. It's just we payyall hard
Speaker 6: earned money and we basically fund y'all whole operation, so
Speaker 6: y'all can't say shit about us.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 6: Y'all have a huge impact on what we do, right,
Speaker 6: So how can we not say, how can y'all not
Speaker 6: be a factor to why shit is going bad? When
Speaker 6: shit going back, it's all on the people inside the league.
Speaker 6: But when shit went well, the fans want to take
Speaker 6: credit for how much they come to the games and
Speaker 6: how much they watch and all of this ship. But
Speaker 6: when it's going bad, it's like, y'all, I'm out of
Speaker 6: it as a fan base. There's the exact the league itself, Like, Nah,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna get away with that, because y'all it's
Speaker 6: a community, right, community, We all fucked up.
Speaker 5: Just put it on one, dude, we suck up.
Speaker 6: But when it's all the sunshine and you want to
Speaker 6: jump in and you know what I mean, take some
Speaker 6: credit for. So my whole thing is like, if you
Speaker 6: ain't got no solution, if you ain't got nothing to say, man,
Speaker 6: just sit back and enjoy the game. Because it's some
Speaker 6: beautiful athletes y'all just taking for granted because y'all, like, man,
Speaker 6: there's too many threes and the games don't come on
Speaker 6: at the right time. There's too many commercials, got these
Speaker 6: dudes switching teams too much. There's no more rivalries, no
Speaker 6: more fight.
Speaker 5: What you want ship? I'm getting sick of it, man.
Speaker 6: But because it's some beauty that's going on in the
Speaker 6: league though, you're looking at play, look at it, look
Speaker 6: at the hot like you just watch the highlights throughout
Speaker 6: the game and you're gonna see some incredible ship, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And you're seeing teams every year
Speaker 6: having a chance to win a chip like look at Okay,
Speaker 6: see look at Cleveland. It's it's different champions. I feel
Speaker 6: like you're right now. So it's like, what more do
Speaker 6: you want as a fan base, the community who loves gaming,
Speaker 6: that love the NBA, what more do.
Speaker 5: You want from?
Speaker 3: That's a fact? Will you playing if the league organizing
Speaker 3: one on one tournament for a million dollar prize winner
Speaker 3: all Star Weekend?
Speaker 1: What I play?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah? I play?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: I play?
Speaker 1: Good work to.
Speaker 4: How I was I was telling J I want to
Speaker 4: play too. I'm about to get it.
Speaker 1: Dude, will play one every day?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: A million ain't come on.
Speaker 5: The world playing? Man?
Speaker 4: If we passed, I say five seconds, three spots, uh
Speaker 4: twos and threes, game to fifteen first one to fifteen?
Speaker 6: Is it a series though? Is it like a three,
Speaker 6: little three, little first to two.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: It's a three games, I said point, it's fifteen points.
Speaker 3: Fifteen points to.
Speaker 5: King of the Hill is all of us on the
Speaker 5: court and.
Speaker 3: Non like that.
Speaker 5: It's like, no, because not get to the other time
Speaker 5: playing King in Hill.
Speaker 1: Some type of ones. Man. Listen, Yeah, the King in
Speaker 1: the Hill was for you next rolling.
Speaker 4: No, that's not that's not cool because the dude who
Speaker 4: probably is not the nicest can get rolling.
Speaker 1: And you got one shot at defense.
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, you can't go since my
Speaker 3: defense too.
Speaker 1: That's that's too long. That's gonna take forever. You gotta
Speaker 1: make up to ten, go to ten.
Speaker 6: If you're gonna go ones, you're gonna have to go
Speaker 6: five seconds, five second shot clock to eleven, twos and three.
Speaker 1: Due, I can roll with that.
Speaker 4: Fifteen ain't far off fifteen. That's a lot of funs.
Speaker 4: That's like, that's like them there twenty one. Yeah, if
Speaker 4: you don't want to want to get if you spent.
Speaker 1: All three, it's five possession and you ain't scoring all.
Speaker 5: Three going on three, man, you'll be tired of hell
Speaker 5: man exactly.
Speaker 2: In our last episode, we spoke about this who will
Speaker 2: win a one on one tournament. I say you be
Speaker 2: d said Giannis. When you look around the landscape of
Speaker 2: the league, who you think your tough little competition would be?
Speaker 6: Mm man because like Bdi said, you can get hot
Speaker 6: on ones man, like you can say, you can say
Speaker 6: I can win this, but I can also lose to
Speaker 6: man because like I done played ones with with Jason
Speaker 6: Tatum and he done got cooking making shots over every contest.
Speaker 5: With with with with Kyrie and can miss.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, I would say j T
Speaker 6: Kyrie just for the simple fact that I actually played
Speaker 6: against them. I would say somebody like a like a
Speaker 6: Joe Well too. I think you can get you can
Speaker 6: get a bucket from the wing.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about this straight up. Hellmty uh man ship Shae.
Speaker 5: I think shake will be tough.
Speaker 6: Damn will be tough in the ones, especially if you're
Speaker 6: going like five second clock and that like three dribbles,
Speaker 6: four dribbles, if you're going to just a shot clock,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be tough. And then I think I'll get
Speaker 6: put there too.
Speaker 3: All them Dug.
Speaker 5: Yann hones ones man.
Speaker 6: I got to see how he gonna approach the ones man,
Speaker 6: because yeah, he man.
Speaker 5: I already know.
Speaker 3: I already know what he's doing.
Speaker 6: Because shoot that. You gotta be able to just shoot
Speaker 6: anytime like fatal. He going straight bully you exactly.
Speaker 4: He's gonna get as close as he can to the real.
Speaker 4: You have to fill him the whole time, right, I
Speaker 4: was watching Kareem play Doctor j One, he dog, I
Speaker 4: was crying, he can't you can't stop us seven butter
Speaker 4: with skills, Doctor Jay had a hard time. You Steph
Speaker 4: and Lebron were the US heroes. Has ever been talked
Speaker 4: of teaming together for one last road show?
Speaker 5: No, sir, that wouldn't even work. That wouldn't even work.
Speaker 6: We had that come bo, man, I think I think
Speaker 6: you got it everything. You're gonna see what the Olympics
Speaker 6: this past some man, it was perfect at the moment.
Speaker 6: I had me a little moment in that game, Bro
Speaker 6: had you know what, man?
Speaker 5: It was perfect.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: It was maybe if they called y'all out of retirement
Speaker 4: and signed all three killing.
Speaker 2: I saw you, or maybe Rich said it. I was
Speaker 2: talking about maps Mavericks League that he's working on. I
Speaker 2: think Rich, sid you get.
Speaker 6: Some bump, right, I mean, I just put this so
Speaker 6: much equity with the league, the NBA. Man, it'd be
Speaker 6: hard to right, you know what I'm saying, or want
Speaker 6: to do that, or had the desire to just pick
Speaker 6: up and just start some new shit like that. Just deep,
Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying, the bag is a
Speaker 6: bag man, especially who you never know what they could
Speaker 6: come up with, you know, when it comes to that.
Speaker 6: But I don't see it happening for me, man. I
Speaker 6: mean I didn't put in too much work in the league,
Speaker 6: but the idea, you never know how this could work nowadays, Man,
Speaker 6: if they grow you.
Speaker 2: Kind of just spoke on this a little bit. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we all know how much you love the game of basketball.
Speaker 2: I always tell people, I'm not sure I know many people,
Speaker 2: if anybody, that love the game the way you love
Speaker 2: the game from Like you'll go watch some second grade
Speaker 2: boys play basketball and be.
Speaker 1: Like, Yo, you see that movie he just did?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: I was like, Bro, they in third grade? Bro, Like,
Speaker 2: but that's how you love the game of basketball. Everybody's
Speaker 2: talking about, like you said, knocking the product down or
Speaker 2: like changing the product obviously taking corner threes away, Like
Speaker 2: that's stupid stuff. But is there something that you suggest
Speaker 2: can improve and help grow the game further than where
Speaker 2: it is today.
Speaker 6: Nah, I think only I think only the players can
Speaker 6: grow the game. Like you can make all these root
Speaker 6: changes all you want, and the players got to be
Speaker 6: the one out there executing. So if guys keep adding
Speaker 6: to their skill set, you know what I'm saying, from
Speaker 6: the top to bottom, from point guards all the way
Speaker 6: down to the bids, keep improving their skill set, I
Speaker 6: think that's going to advance the game more than anything.
Speaker 6: And you're seeing it already, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But all of these game any rule changes and.
Speaker 3: All of that, I don't No, we don't need none
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 5: Like players and coaches the ones that can really push
Speaker 5: the game forward.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say coaching coaching.
Speaker 4: Coaching coaching is the one thing that I would say
Speaker 4: could improve because when I'm watching the games and I'm
Speaker 4: watching teams, everybody play with the same style and so
Speaker 4: you can't really get a great enjoyment of people actually
Speaker 4: doing work because there's so much luck happening, right, and
Speaker 4: so the game is like based on luck and chance
Speaker 4: and numbers, where I think if it's some coaches come
Speaker 4: with a different approach and say, you know, what. We're
Speaker 4: not gonna play small ball all the time. We're not
Speaker 4: gonna shoot a gang of threes. Like here's a big
Speaker 4: man that play in the post, and we can identify
Speaker 4: with a style and the philosophy that counteract the way
Speaker 4: the Warriors play, our counteract the way Boston player. I
Speaker 4: think everybody just playing the same way, and so we
Speaker 4: got to get different teams, got to develop styles.
Speaker 5: I think, I think, I mean, you got to look
Speaker 5: at it.
Speaker 6: Though a lot of the players are playing similar you know,
Speaker 6: a lot of the guys go to moves are the
Speaker 6: same step back step. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: old float, you know what I'm saying. So, and it's
Speaker 6: a copycat league. It's been like that since the beginning.
Speaker 6: So I always go back to the players and the
Speaker 6: uniqueness of each player. Like Joki Jokics, this system is
Speaker 6: definitely different from the normal system, and it's simply because
Speaker 6: of how great he is. And the Warriors still play
Speaker 6: that style as everybody wanted to play like the Warriors,
Speaker 6: but they haven't accomplished it yet. But they play that
Speaker 6: style simply because you got you has Clay there too,
Speaker 6: but you got Stephen Draymond, You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: playing that different type, that's different style of ball, you know,
Speaker 6: but it depends on what players.
Speaker 5: You got, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: They playing more of an ISO system, spread you out
Speaker 6: driving kick system, Boston playing that way. So you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, It's it's just tailored to the players.
Speaker 6: I think more and more coaches starting to understand that
Speaker 6: the tailor system around what their best players can do.
Speaker 6: It's as opposed to trying to make them fit into
Speaker 6: a certain style system.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You think that's player empowerment too though, like a part
Speaker 2: of like the power that players have.
Speaker 1: You think that's that's a part of why coaches have
Speaker 1: to do that as well.
Speaker 6: I just think it's just smart. I mean, to get
Speaker 6: the most out your best players, who's going to affect
Speaker 6: the game. I just think the simple fact is like, yeah,
Speaker 6: they started to realize, yeah, we need to build around
Speaker 6: this talent that we have because you realize they don't
Speaker 6: come around often a job moran. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: You can't just draft him or Zion or Ant or
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. You're talking about You're not
Speaker 6: gonna just draft these dudes that easy. So while you
Speaker 6: got them here, you might as well make them as
Speaker 6: comfortable as they can and get so you can get
Speaker 6: the absolute most out the player, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And coaches and organizations are starting to understand that. You're
Speaker 6: seeing how they building their teams now fitting around their
Speaker 6: best players, you know. So, and that's the and and
Speaker 6: that's what I love about the game too, that a
Speaker 6: lot of people don't speak about the evolution and how
Speaker 6: the gms and the front offices and the coaches are
Speaker 6: starting to be a little bit more creative on how
Speaker 6: they want to you know what I'm saying, craft.
Speaker 5: These teams, they hordon picks.
Speaker 6: They might go pigs for a player in the middle
Speaker 6: of the night and you might see an All Star
Speaker 6: on the team that you ain't expect because they got
Speaker 6: seven picks they're gonna trade, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So they creative ship, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying, to keep their assets and team building,
Speaker 6: you know, to go to that next level, because it
Speaker 6: takes much more than just a player knocking down shots
Speaker 6: to win the championship, and a lot of credit gotta
Speaker 6: go to the front office and the GM and the
Speaker 6: coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You want to win, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Man, it's been great.
Speaker 2: By the way, I know you got you and rich,
Speaker 2: you got the ballroom pumping you about to you'll about
Speaker 2: to buy Hooters.
Speaker 5: Bro, we had to pay homage.
Speaker 6: Man. You know Hooters was that college, especially in college.
Speaker 6: Two dollars wings, man, So I have all right, who
Speaker 6: is talking who with y'all?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 5: I appreciate you all.
Speaker 2: Let me on man, Absolutely, yeah, we appreciate you, bro,
Speaker 2: living legend. Continue to watch you play basketball, Bro. You
Speaker 2: raise the level, you keep raising the level of the game.
Speaker 2: You you are one of the guys raising the level
Speaker 2: of how long you can do this and still be
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 1: And man, it's an honor to watch you work. It's
Speaker 1: been an honor to watch you work.
Speaker 6: Hey, dog, you got them gray hairs now too? Now
Speaker 6: something running around that's.
Speaker 3: From him trying to play me in Domino.
Speaker 6: Losing me slim, But you're still running around their garden
Speaker 6: that god damn whole team. You showing a lot too, man,
Speaker 6: and usually find the odds two dogs. So I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Hey. By the way.
Speaker 2: Also, you know me, I'll say something when I don't
Speaker 2: like it, and I must always say something when I
Speaker 2: do like something. I'm not just going to say something
Speaker 2: when I don't like it. And you're saying the other
Speaker 2: day that I'd be a great head coach. But that
Speaker 2: meant the world to me, and the peers say that,
Speaker 2: you know, it always mean more, Bro, So you know
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna just criticize you and be like damn,
Speaker 2: Slim said, he hope I get the help I need
Speaker 2: and not say when you when you throw me a
Speaker 2: bone like that or give me props like that. I
Speaker 2: appreciated my dog always. I want you to know that.
Speaker 5: Brother, in every word to let y'all man appreciate.
Speaker 3: You, all right, I need you on that album to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get your
Speaker 5: Numb'm gonna sell d.
Speaker 1: I connect y'all, Bart old Man and Slim.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, Slim, Sir, appreciate you, boss man.
Speaker 1: That was so amazing having came on here Bro talking talking.
Speaker 2: Who with him, also hearing how his answer about efficiency.
Speaker 1: Gods do not think about the game that way.
Speaker 2: This man is like, I'd rather just have twenty nine
Speaker 2: or twelve shots right and then. But it makes sense
Speaker 2: though with his mind because during that time, it's where
Speaker 2: you started to see Kadi evolve as a defender. During
Speaker 2: that time was started where you started to see him
Speaker 2: evolve as a passer. And he's pretty much saying like, nah,
Speaker 2: not taking twenty two shots is allowing me and just
Speaker 2: hitting nine to my twelve. It's going to allow me
Speaker 2: to do all.
Speaker 1: Those other things. It was dope to hear him talk
Speaker 1: about that in that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot a lot of gems are dropped.
Speaker 4: It's incredible. You know when you have somebody that decorated
Speaker 4: and you guys spent time together sharing those moments, like
Speaker 4: to still see that chemistry exists. You see why you
Speaker 4: know you had that dynasty, So you know, shout out
Speaker 4: to Kevin Durant and living legend. This was a dumb shot.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, big dog, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, my brother. Everything you brought to the show,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I know our listeners appreciate you because
Speaker 2: the amount of times I hear y'all adding BT to
Speaker 2: the show is crazy. I appreciate you, my brother. Until
Speaker 2: next time for y'all tuning in, we appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: That's a rap. Enjoy it like we did peace.
Speaker 5: The volume